Madoka was able to see the past, present and future yet she couldn't

Because SHAFT forced asspulls on the writers to allow for more sequels, just like they forced them to rewrite the original series ending, using the quake as an excuse and smokescreen.

>>144658571
Madoka wanted to be raped.

the common assumption is that rebellion took place in a different universe from the original show.

>>144658571
That's a plothole unless they rectify it in the sequel.

>>144658571
She saw everything Homura would do but she loved her all the same. She descended from Heaven to save Homu knowing full well it would cost her her powers but she did it all the same because her friend needed her.

>>144658571
i thought she can only see the past, present, and future of all magical girls. The best assumption in this is that she saw only until she took Homura's soul gem.

>>144658571
I'm guessing the barrier blocked her sight

She knew it would happen. She was just playing along.

because the universe's rules were rewritten. she could only see the future in the original universe because her wish was tied to the fates of all magical girls.

>>144658571
>Madoka was able to see the past, present and future

But could she why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

>>144658571
She knew it would happen.

And she let it happen. She just didn't realize how painful the process would be.

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>>144658571
It's her keikaku! Otherwise, Madokami and Magica Quartet are so dumb.

>>144661051
Underrated post

>>144661190
>>144666101
I love them.

>>144661664
I guess if Magica Quartet will make a good use of the pothole in the fourth movie.

>>144662589
Do you think Kyubey still has great potential?

>>144665871
No, Madokami said she was able to see another universe at the scene in naked space hugs and she observed Homura in parallel dimensions.

>>144668068
It is a lame excuse.

>>144661991
But Madoka didn't lose her powers. Completely separate entity.

>>144658571
That's the kind of shit that always happens to gods. God regretted making Adam and Eve after they ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, even though he should have seen it coming, and Dr. Manhattan had some bullshit about tachyon interference to explain why he didn't see what Veidt was going to do. Madoka is just another omniscient-until-plot-needs-otherwise god in their tradition.

>>144660910
>forced them to rewrite the original series ending, using the quake as an excuse and smokescreen
You've probably told yourself that story so many times you believe it now.

>>144658571
She sacrificed her godhood for Homu.

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>>144658571
Madoka isn't very bright.

>>144658571
She did, she's just letting Homu have her fun for a while.

>>144658571
I'm not sure about that. Her wish was to destroy all witches, past, present, and future, meaning that she would have an eternal existence, but that doesn't necessarily mean she'd be omniscient or see forward in time.

>>144658571
"Even a god finds it hard to love and be wise at the same time"

>>144658571
There's no way it isn't part of the plan

>>144658571
>Madoka was able to see the past, present and future yet she couldn't foresee the Rebellion events. Why is that?
Because it brought Homura a small amount of joy and she already saw the inevitable conclusion as Homura already hinted at when the movie ended.
You just didn't pay attention like every baka making threads.

I don't think it's quite that literal. Madoka becoming the Law of Cycles only gave her insight regarding when magical girls would meet their demise, and only under circumstances where their soul gems were corrupted past the point of salvaging. For instance, she wouldn't know about a magical girl whose soul gem simply broke.

>watch Rebellion
>Nagisa is kinda cute

>read the Rebellion manga
>I want to molest Nagisa

>>144658571
Because Homura has control over time that transcends even Madoka's powers. That's her speciality

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>>144658571
I have been wondering this too. My guesses are that either she couldn't know because Homura defied her destiny and did something that wasn't meant to happen, or that she did know.

If she did know, then either she saw the end result of Homura's intervention and liked it, or she didn't like it but couldn't give up on Homura either way.

Maybe the next movie will tell us more.

>>144674083
Probably this.

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Two theories, take your pick

Theory 1: Madoka saw the future but let it happen because she didn't want to deny Homura autonomy even when it was yandere lesbian autonomy. This is because Madoka has a soft spot for Homura subconsciously

2. Recall Homura's wish: "I want to redo my meeting with Madoka. Instead of being protected by her, I want to protect her!"

What Homura's wish leaves open is the ability to do a whole lot of stuff, if she truly believes she is "protecting" Madoka

>>144678955
I see a lot of people in this thread picking Theory 1, but that wouldn't make sense at all. The Madoka staff made it obvious that it wasn't something Madoka planned beforehand. Letting Homura sacrifice herself for Madoka isn't something Madoka would be okay with.

The best explaination is that she isn't actually completely omniscient, and that the statement from EP 12 isn't meant to be taken literally.

>>144661051
I don't think so.

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I thought Madoka lost her memory of reality when she entered the Homuverse in Rebellion?

>>144680594
Yes, but we're talking about the scenes that take place outside of the isolation field. Madoka, if she really is omniscient, should have known what Homura would do beforehand, since Homura's AI YO took place outside of the isolation field.

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Maybe Madoka wanted it.

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>>144661652
Yes, the Homuverse. It's much like our universe, but a lot more abstract and the homosexuality is turned up to 11.

>>144680651
>should have known what Homura would do beforehand, since Homura's AI YO took place outside of the isolation field.
I'm not so sure. I often think Madoka's onipotence is overrated. There was never any explicit evidence to suggest that Madoka can see through time and space. She just "appears" when a Magical Girl is about to become a witch.

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>>144680724
There's this scene. If you take it literally, she should have known about Homura's actions beforehand.

>>144658571
Did she specifically say she couldn't see the rebellion events? Where at in the movie?
Regardless, rebellion is a cash grab so it doesn't matter.

Bad writing.

Why did Kyouko go to Mitakihara in the timelines where Mami didn't die? She clearly says she came because Mami died and she wanted to take her territory over.

Why did Madoka's mom let her go into the storm in Episode 11?

Why did Homura give up so easily on trying to warn Madoka and company about the future? Especially since she could clearly show them that she had time magic.

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>>144680805
I see what you mean. I would say that it's a rather vague phrase though as we lack the specifics on Madoka's powers. Does it only apply to her ability to aid Magical Girls in the past, present, and future, or can she truly transcend time and space at will for whatever purpose?

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>>144680962
>Why did Madoka's mom let her go into the storm in Episode 11?
Yeah, of all the plotholes, this is virtually the only one that actually taints my enjoyment of the series. What kind of mother would let her daughter out in typhoon without any adequate jusification?

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>>144680722
>She wanted her sacrifice to be pointless
No, you little shit.

>>144681071
>maybe
Well, i'm waiting.

>>144681037
That's not a plothole though. Just because you disagree with the character's actions doesn't mean it's a plothole. She let Madoka go into the storm because she trusted her. Maybe that's not what most good mothers would do, but her taking questionable actions isn't a plothole by itself.

>>144681037

I don't know, it's weird for sure, but I think it actually kind of goes with her character. I never felt it was out of character for her, just something that most people wouldn't do.

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>>144681071
Was it pointless though? Homura could only do what she did because of Madoka's wish. If the end result of Homura's actions is that the Law of Cycles still saves magical girls, would Madoka really be disappointed?

>>144680722
That picture is adorable. Does Madoka play the trumpet now? She should play with Nagisa some time.

>>144680594
I think your question was answered already, but that is a really cute Madoka picture too. I just wanted to say that.

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>>144681149
>>144681333
Not the anon you're replying to, by the way.

I want to agree, but this is a situation where girls have already been disappearing at school and Junko already suspects they're up to something that they're not telling the parents. After Mami (apparently) disappears and Sayaka is found dead, and Junko has that chat with the teacher about how she has the sense that Madoka isn't telling her everything, it doesn't make sense to me that Junko would then turn around and just "trust" Madoka, when she has reason to believe that she's endangering her life for reasons she is keeping secret.

It doesn't make sense to me that any person would behave that way.

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>>144681567
Madoka explicitly says she has to "protect everyone" even though Junko tells her "leave that to the firefighters." So why does she change her mind just because Madoka is sincere in her desire to protect everyone? She has no reason to believe Madoka has any kind of power to stop what's happening. All that a reasonable person in her place would infer is that Madoka is being reckless and heroic beyond her means.

This line always made me think that maybe Junko knew about Kyubey somehow. She might have been approached by him as a kid and turned down his offer, or something.

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>>144681567
>telling this to bfless christmas cake
mmm

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>>144681767
She just trusts Madoka that much.

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>>144682187
>ywn be a member of Kaname family
fug

>>144658571
It's like you didn't even watch Rebellion.

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>>144682435
I guess you could make Madoka your waifu. Otherwise I'm afraid you are right.

>>144682149
I want to know why that image exists.

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>>144681767
>This line always made me think that maybe Junko knew about Kyubey somehow
While I wholeheartedly agree with your first paragraph, that's one hell of stretch to infer that from her actions.

>>144681767
Why would Junko turn down something like having a wish grabted?

>>144682938
Well she grew up to be a successful businesswoman, so maybe even at that age she knew when things were too good to be true

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>>144682938
That image exists because god is kill.

>>144683602
fug meant to quote >>144682700

>>144682435
Spotted the incubator.

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I just came back from Tenjin Matsuri.
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/144605389/#144610216
What is your answer? Will you join next year's festival with Megucas?

>>144680448
Why? I think Madokami must be bored to death.

>>144680722
Yeah, "she" wanted it and still watch over Homura.

>>144681071
Are you Madohater?

>>144681149
This

>>144681567
>>144681767
The scene just means the ties of parent and child.

>>144658571
She did forsee them, that is how she knew to plant Sayaka and the other girl. There are two possible solutions. Either this is all part of her plan, or Homura managed to change the future with her actions and final transformation- creating a new future that Madoka couldn't see.

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>If you make a sacrifice, no matter if there is an alternative or how needless it was others should respect it and let you suffer
>"Hey guys I just got Smoke Poisoning and Burns but I saved some kids from a burning building. What? Why did you call the Firemen? Way to shit on my sacrifice asshole."

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>>144684588
>She did forsee them, that is how she knew to plant Sayaka and the other girl.
Good point, anon. I'd somehow forgotten about that.

>or Homura managed to change the future with her actions and final transformation- creating a new future that Madoka couldn't see.
I think this is the most likely scenario and it falls in line with what some anons have said already. Homura is as powerful (if not moreso) than Madoka at the end of Rebellion. Madokami most likely wasn't able to foresee a future created by an entity on her level.

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>>144683405
A little boost would have done wonders, but yeah, Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica wouldn't be a thing if she did contract. Or maybe Junko would become the oldest mahou shoujo if she did.

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The events of the Wraith Arc and Rebellion were possibly caused by a large blind spot in the recreation of the world in relation to Homura. When Madoka said she could see all the future, she admits she does not know if Homura will or will not remember her, plausibly she could not know that Homura would inherit all the powers of time loops. In a way this equivalent to saying that Madoka could well calculate the effect the beating of wings of the smallest butterfly in the world, but is unable to predict the effect of the asteroid that helped the extinction of the dinosaurs.

The incubators were not considered a threat, because it was assumed they would need information about the Law of Cycles, but also more concrete evidence in a world where Madoka never existed. The Homura may have given information on the Law of Cycles, but Kyubey said that without proof it is only an interesting story, just to the wraith create concrete evidence such as the use of time stop.

Transcribed part of the script where points of Madoka comment on the possibility of Homura to remember it. In no moment she is 100% sure, but is hopeful that Homura will remember.

Homura:
Madoka...
Is that what you want, even if I don't remember you ever again?
How am I gonna know you're there when I can't even feel you're standing next to me anymore?

Madoka:
Uh-uh.
It's a little soon to be giving up hope.
You managed to follow me all the way out here, didn't you?
Besides, even though you're going back to your world, maybe you'll still remember me.
I mean you never know, right.
You'll see, everything will be fine.
Just believe.

Homura:
Madoka...

Madoka:
We are magical girls, remember?
We make hopes and dreams come true.
They might not happen all the time, but there's no doubt miracles can really happen.
Don't you think?

>>144674513
What? That sounds terrible.

>>144687926
Welcome to /a/.

>>144680805
I'd take the translation with a grain of salt. What if the intended line was "I will be able to see everything that has happened, and that will happen"-- simply referring to her eternal existence?

>>144681037
I found it rather strange. Perhaps Junko was still a little drunk?

>>144684588
It doesn't mean she foresaw Kyubey's actions; it simply mean she saw them happen and reacted as such.

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>>144684843
Great analogy friend, but Madoka's sacrifice wasn't unnecessary because she wanted a way to save magic girls and there was no other way to do that.
Anyway, here's your (You).

>>144658571
Incubator created a faraday cage to block out Law of Cycles, so she couldn't see.