Bit late to the party but I just watched it, why did Homoru turn

>>144402801
Hello, Mr. a bit late to the party.

/laughtrack

>>144402801
>Homu
>yandere
Qb, pls.

>>144402879
I mean, OP isn't wrong. She went crazy from all the time travel and trapped Madoka in a pocket dimension out of a really fucked up, possessive love for her. That's pretty yandere.

>>144402801
She isn't yandere.

>>144402940
What's so fucked up about it? It's even explicitly stated that she didn't do it because she wanted Madoka for herself, but because she wanted a world where Madoka could be happy.

>>144403781
It's pretty obvious that her motive isn't Modokas happiness but "protecting" Madoka in the same way that an otaku protects his anime figurines in a glass cabinet so he can enjoy looking at them

Homura legitimately did nothing wrong.

>>144403994
If this was truly the case, Homura would have warped the universe so that Madoka was her childhood friend, instead of living in America for 3 years and being a stranger to her. She has every power to manipulate Madoka, but instead she leaves her alone completely-- she doesn't even try to reestablish their friendship because she feels unworthy of Madoka's love. And finally, her "imprisonment" of Madoka is hardly that-- Madoka has the free will to live her life as she pleases.

A yandere is always selfish, putting her relationship before all else-- she will claim her lover as her own exclusively, and will even go as far as to murder her lover if she feels betrayed. Homura forsakes that relationship and any possibility of happiness to ensure Madoka can live a happy life.

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>>144402801

>>144403781
It's still fucked up that she put her own needs before Madoka's. No matter how much she thinks she's doing it for Madoka the dimension was created without taking her true feelings into account. Her love, while not necessarily possessive, is still really selfish. She's yandere.

>>144402940
I think yandere is a slightly different trope.
Homura is just completely full on fucked up in the head; her feelings is kinda just second nature.
She is yanyan.

>>144405256
>A yandere is always selfish, putting her relationship before all else-- she will claim her lover as her own exclusively, and will even go as far as to murder her lover if she feels betrayed.

She chose to basically "kill" madoka in that she (tried) to destroy the verson of madoka that made a choice and instead has a madoka that has the "free will" to live a happy life.

>Homura forsakes that relationship and any possibility of happiness to ensure Madoka can live a happy life.

She felt betrayed by her so she hunted her down, stole her powers and imprisoned her in a world like a doll on display. She didn't forsake the relationship, she changed it from a mutual connectin to a one sided voyueristic connection. She effectivly changed from a girlfriend to stalker, and it is in balance for the moment. It can't stay in this balance though, cause she will get angry that Madoka doesn't reciprocate the feelings. She will get angry that Homura keeps giving while Madoka keeps taking (not relaizing that Madoka doesn't even realize it).

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>>144405348
>she put her own needs before Madoka's
Give examples.

I'm going to go out of a limp here and say that I don't think she really even loves Madoka that much. Hear me out; in the original timeline she only knew Madoka for less than a month and they weren't particularly close and certainly weren't romantically involved in any way. It's more like she is determined to win at any cost because she has already invested too much into the situation to just walk away. Think of it like spending hours playing a video game and you're struggling at the boss level. You've watched all the through videos on youtube and you're using save states to improve your chances but you are still failing. You're fucking determined to win and you'll keep at it however long it takes. Do you love this video game or the boss? No, of course not. You're just too autistic to give up.

>>144406171
Stop projecting.

>>144406171
She clinged to Madoka as her only source of hope for all the 100 rewinds she did. I can admit that it's possible her love wasn't that strong in the first timeline.

Hamfisted yuri subplot to sell more copies.

>>144406027
>he chose to basically "kill" madoka in that she (tried) to destroy the verson of madoka
Except she did it for Madoka's own wellbeing. She freed Madoka (and even Sayaka and Nagisa) from meguca Instrumentality. It's more accurate to say that she brought Madoka back to life.

>She felt betrayed by her so she hunted her down
Not even remotely true. She blames herself entirely, not Madoka at all.

>She effectivly changed from a girlfriend to stalker
No, she went from "abandoned and miserable" to "protector." Yes, you can claim she's "stalking" Madoka, but it's simply a matter of pragmatism to ensure her safety, just like in the original series. Besides, she's not staring through Madoka's bedroom window; she's sitting on a hill, alone.

>>144406171
That's retarded. If that was the case, she could simply use Madoka to kill Walpurgisnacht and then shoot her soul gem before she witches out.

>>144406934
>That's retarded. If that was the case, she could simply use Madoka to kill Walpurgisnacht and then shoot her soul gem before she witches out.

No, you're retarded. I obviously meant saving Madoka is the "boss" of the video game. It was an analogy, don't take it so literally.

Why were they naked in space at the end? Seems a bit gay tbqh

>>144407111
Haven't you been to space? Everyone is naked there.

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>>144402801
She isn't yandere. It isn't like she is trying to kill Madoka's friends because she is jealous, is she?

Homura realized that the only way to protect Madoka was to go against her wishes. Madoka was not happy being a concept and Homura thought it was important to protect her, regardless of what Madoka thought of it.

I don't know what her mental state is. I think she might just have embraced her role as agitator and is playing the part. I would like to see her go back to being her cute, moe-type form though.

>>144407069
On the other hand, you're retarded to gloss over every display of emotional investment Homura makes towards Madoka. A video game is just that-- a game. In this case, it's life and death, for Madoka and Homura both. If Homura gives up, she dies. Now I'm sure people have committed suicide over video games, but let's be real, it's far more reasonable to take the evidence and recognize Homura actually puts Madoka's happiness above all else.

Moreover--
>in the original timeline she only knew Madoka for less than a month and they weren't particularly close
Not only is that false, but even if you did assume it to be true, then why in fuck's name would Homura even bother in the first place?

>>144407667
>why in fuck's name would Homura even bother in the first place?

Moment of madness. She's standing over a dead body and females get very emotional over the slightest thing, it makes perfect sense that she would make that wish even if she didn't really care for the dead person. Honestly you could substitute any of the girls for Madoka and she would still have wished to go back and save them because Japanese society has conditioned her to be a good girl who wants to do her best.

>>144406934

Everything you say hinges on a single fact , that one 14 years old girls decision was wrong and anothers was right. What makes homuras decision to deny madokas right? What was wrong about Madokas decision?

>>144407629
>Madoka was not happy being a concept and Homura thought it was important to protect her, regardless of what Madoka thought of it.

Where was that said? I really don't remember it.

>>144408092
Neither of them are more right than the other. Madoka's and Homura's wish contradict each other. They both want to sacrifice themselves for the other. Do you really think it's selfish to rather sacrifice yourself than to let Madoka do it?

>>144408181
Flower field scene in Rebellion.

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>>144408181
The scene in the field of flowers in Rebellion has Madoka say that she could never handle being away from all her friends and family. Some people don't think this is valid though because Madoka didn't have her memories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk

In Madoka's character song, which I believe is Madoka singing about her time as a concept, she says she is lonely, she hides her true feelings, and essentially says that she wishes that Homura had stopped her.

>>144408500
Angel x Demon yuri is best yuri

>>144407835
>Honestly you could substitute any of the girls for Madoka
Again, blatantly false. Even in the first timeline, Homura's relationship with the other girls were tenuous at best, whereas with Madoka she actually connected on a meaningful emotional level.

>>144408092
Neither are wholly wrong nor right. Both Madoka and Homura suffered as a result of Madoka's wish, so Homura had the right to change things for the (arguably) better. The best solution, however, is for both to reconcile and work together.

>>144408975
I'm sorry but people don't form meaningful relationships in just one month. The only other explanation is that Homura is bonkers.

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She asked madoka over and over if she really wanted to sacrifice herself. And she said no every time, because she is literally just a stupid girl.
that's why homura rescued her from the horrible fate of being a "god", even if it was against her will.

homura did nothing wrong

homura took a happy ending that wrapped everything up and destroyed it to open up the doors for another sequel

she did it because she loves us, the audience

homura did nothing wrong

>>144409128
>I'm sorry but people don't form meaningful relationships in just one month
Speak for yourself.

>>144409128
>Autists actually believe this

>>144408500
>Instead of "See you later"
>I should've said, "I'll stay for a little longer"
>I wanted and hoped that you would realize it
>But with the words "See you later"
>I lie to myself again
>And hide my true feelings beneath my usual smile

Make it stop.

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>>144408621
I like them best however they are happiest.

>>144410437
I cried for hours when I first listened to the words. Even Madoka couldn't have hope that she would see Homura again. It was too sad for me to handle.

>>144408500
>>144410437
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

>>144409528
>homura took a happy ending that wrapped everything up and destroyed it to open up the doors for another sequel
Disagree a bit there. The series ending was good, but Rebellion did address the question of Homura's wish. Now that it has been addressed, the franchise can go barreling toward its true end.

>she did it because she loves us, the audience
>homura did nothing wrong
Both statements are fact.

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>>144405256
>living in America for 3 years and being a stranger to her
wat

>>144406171
>in the original timeline she only knew Madoka for less than a month
Yeah but then she got to know her hundreds, if not thousands of times as the loop repeated.

>>144408092
>What was wrong about Madokas decision?
It left Homura to turn into a witch, that's what. Madoka might have been able to save Homura, but what about the next magical girl that the Incubators trapped? And all the thousands after that? Madoka's wish was crap, because it did nothing to put an end to the REAL enemy's scheming.

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>it's a "retard misunderstands Rebellion" rerun again

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>>144405299

>>144412924
When Homura altered the universe at the end of Rebellion, Madoka's family had moved to America for three years, and had just returned, being a new transfer student in Mitakihara Middle School.

>>144413725
>Madoka's family had moved to America for three years, and had just returned,
I believe that was just a part of the set-up that Homura put in place, because within minutes Madoka was already trying to go back to her Madokami self. Had Homura left her alone for three years, Madoka would have surely rejoined her kami form.

>>144413513
perfect

>>144414069
Not necessarily.
I think it's her conversation with Homu and the place, where she had some repressed/deleted memories, that nearly made her revert to Madokami.

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Reminder that Homura did nothing wrong and is the only God to listen to Kyouko's requests.

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I love Homura very much.

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Thread is missing best meguca.

>>144414714
Why are you posting Kyoko instead of Madoka then?

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>>144414514
I hope Homura continues protecting Kyouko's happy dream.

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>>144414714
That is true. Here she is.

>>144414514
Homura gave Mami her loli too. Homura's always looking out for her girls.

>>144414500
That could work, except there's still no reason to think that Madoka actually spent three years in America from Homura's perspective. It's the old Last Thursdayism thing. Our own universe could be a mere 5 days old, with everything before that being merely a created memory. While that makes no sense from the created's standpoint, from the perspective of a creator, the universe had to start somewhere with the backstory simply filled in.

>>144415062
>filler fanservice girl
>best meguca
otaku plz go

>>144414069
It actually shows her family unpacking boxes upon moving into their home.

>>144408500
Jesus fuck, that is sad.

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Homura is love

>>144411531
This is extremely cute.
Although post-rebellion homu wouldn't act like that.

>>144415171
Your correct on the memories but wrong on Madokami: Homura is the catalyst for Madoka almost returning to the LoC and why Homura distances herself following that encounter. Madoka is at little risk for returning to the LoC otherwise.

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>>144411531
>>144415297
Post Rebellion should be something like this.

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>>144415265
Homu is life

>>144415062
Nagisa is the only loli I actually like. She's so cute

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There is a tripfag who does not know the definition of "yandere".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_anime_and_manga

>>144410823
Hi!

>>144411531
The lawnchairs! Would you like to sit on the chair?

>>144415201
>It actually shows her family unpacking boxes upon moving into their home
That really doesn't matter; the universe had to start somewhere. What was Homura supposed to do, just make a blank universe where no one has any memories of anything at all? No doubt Madoka has memories of those three years in America, but they are false ones.

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>>144415171
>filler fanservice girl
I don't know about you, but I thought the concept of turning one of the old witches from the series back into a magical girl for the movie was very interesting. It wasn't like she did nothing; she played a decent role in the movie I would say, but that was mostly in her witch form.

Her backstory from the production notes really made me attached to her though.

>>144415513
She is adorable, isn't she? I hope to have a daughter like her some day.

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>>144415513
She's a freakin cheeky cheese gremlin tho.
1/10 would bully for ever.

>>144415346
>Homura is the catalyst for Madoka almost returning to the LoC and why Homura distances herself following that encounter
It was Homura going in to hug Madoka that made Madoka come back. The much simpler explanation here is that Homura just created the universe as it is, and Madoka started changing back within minutes. It's the simplest explanation and doesn't create any unnecessary bullshit along with it.

>>144415694
>I thought the concept of turning one of the old witches from the series back into a magical girl for the movie was very interesting
It was, but I felt it detracted from Homura figuring out who the real enemy is, and they is QB. Why would she attack Bebe when QB has been her real enemy for so many loops? I feel like the entire chasing Bebe scene would have worked out more smoothly had Bebe been replaced by QB.

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I want to explore the inside of Homura's mouth with my tongue.

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>>144415720
There is nothing wrong with being a cheese gremlin.

>>144415824
It made sense to Homura. How could a witch exist when Madoka removed witches? That and it seemed like Kyuubey was a better ally in Madoka's new world since witches didn't exist.

>>144415662
"False" implies it didn't actually happen.

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One of ripped off characters. I want her to die in the fourth movie.

>>144415747
The entire explanation was given in the barrier. How did Madoka forget she was a god? Sayaka and Nagisa repressed Madokami by taking fragments of her into the barrier. What is the jewel on Homura's earring? A fragment of the Law of Cycles. What visually begins reacting to Madoka in the hall way? The jewel in the earring. You do realize that Homura's universal barrier acts on the same principles as Homulilly's?

Homura can still repressed Madoka's power by force, but she's not going to wake up unless she's in proximity to the fragment.

>>144415923
>>144415662
wew
We're now officially into creationism 101

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis

>>144416056
I don't know who that is but Nagisa is cuter. I want to throw a cheese party for her just to see her smile desu senpai

Why does the universe have to have a beginning? Dumbest shit I've read all day.

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>>144415921
>There is nothing wrong with being a cheese gremlin.
This is a point of view commonly expressed by freaky cheese gremlins.

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>>144414714

>>144415016
>KyoSaya only exists in a lesbian's literal fantasy land
How fitting

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>>144416234
I can't eat cheese very much actually. It makes me sick. I hope Nagisa won't be disappointed in me.

>>144416020
So now you are actively insulting the characters just to try and annoy me? Wow.

>>144405348
But she didn't, she simply believes that she knows what's "best" for Madoka which may or may not be true; she doesn't give a damn about her own needs. Even though her ideals may be a bit warped at this point, she has the most noble intentions.

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Actually, I think Nagisa is more fun in witch form. Her random cheese exclamations and weird babbly language are amusing. So far in girl form she's just a generic loli, albeit one with a very cute voice.

>>144416401
As you say, witch form is more fun. Cuter to be quite honest.

>>144405348
Homura's got issues, but she is definitely not yandere.

>>144416159
>Omphalos_hypothesis
Thank you, couldn't find the actual name for Last Thursdayism.

>>144416144
>What is the jewel on Homura's earring? A fragment of the Law of Cycles. What visually begins reacting to Madoka in the hall way? The jewel in the earring.
I don't recall any of this. At what point in the movie is it at?

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>>144406171
Homura had been in and out of the hospital for most of her life due to a heart condition and almost certainly had no friends as a result. It's likely that she was even bullied when she was in school. Madoka was the first person to offer her real, genuine friendship (and technically Mami too but Madoka and Homura were in the same class), and in her loneliness Homura became emotionally dependent on her.

Also Rebellion at least very clearly shows that Homura deeply loves Madoka. Whether or not it's romantic love is up for interpretation (protip: it is), but it wasn't just a case of Homura being stubborn.

I think this is the best Madoka thread on /a/ we've had in at least a year

>>144416590
>I think this is the best Madoka thread on /a/ we've had in at least a year
That's just because we haven't heard too many opinions from people who are wrong, yet.

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>>144416521
>Tells Sayaka she tore off a piece of the Law of Cycles
>Dark Orb created immediatly after tearing off that piece of the Law of Cycles
>Bottom right: Lizard-shaped. The eyeball is a (purple) gemstone. Madoka’s power is sealed in the gemstone hanging off its tail. Unlike when she was a magical girl, when Homura uses magic, patterns come from the body, and the eye shines, giving the impression that the gemstone is not used as a medium. - Rebellion Production Note

>>144416590
She was bullied in school if you listen to the drama cd 1.

Homuras stubbornness is the reason Madoka can be with her family again.

Lawnchair finally haven't ruined this thread like he did all the others.

>>144416695
>homura will never trap your powers in her pumpkin

>>144416590
>Whether or not it's romantic love is up for interpretation (protip: it is)
>Called aiyo and koi in production notes
>Quartet doesn't even hide it in Kirara anymore
Protip: it's not.

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>>144416695
About where?

>>144416590
The first few threads immediately following the concept movie leak were really good.

>>144416159
From that you can argue that X amount of time occurred but was supercondensed into a moment, so that the universe is younger than its apparent age.

>>144416695
It seems a logical assumption to say that the dark orb is the same as the earring, but what's weird is that she summons it from a weird mark on the back of her hand in the post-credits scene, and it's not clear if she's still wearing the earring while she dances

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>>144408500
It always kills me when a song sounds upbeat and cheerful but the lyrics are depressing as fuck. I don't think that it's about her becoming Madokami though, I think it's referring to her own self-sacrificial nature stemming from her hidden feelings of worthlessness.

Also Aoi Yuuki has great range, it's surprising that the same woman who sang that could also belt out something like this while still being in character
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciQ-NSdYCQA

>>144416785
Just rewatch from where the girls fight Homulilly to the end.

>>144416878
>Upper left: Dark Orb: Alternate Form (Worn only on left ear) - Rebellion Production Note

>>144416938
I don't get the hand mark then

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>>144416987
It where her old soul gem was. And this is from the concept movie.

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>>144416782
I'm saying that it is romantic love, you crouton

Although to be fair Kirara is basically yuri undertones the magazine and Ume Aoki has been a yurifag since forever

>>144417052
>gratuitous soul gem which is the wrong shape anyway
>wedding band?
I think she's just fucking with us

>>144416814
That's basically the argument people use when they say our own universe was created 7,000 years ago. Of course, it's a fallacious argument since it assumes the universe was created by a deity. But in this case, Homura DID create the universe as it was, or alter it somehow, so it's not fallacious at all.

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>>144417194
>Wearing Madoka's ribbon over her chest
Something tells me this will happen AFTER the resolution. The dark orb probably will be shaped differently when activated.

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>>144417194
The dance was just a school play.

>>144417299
I didn't even notice that. Definitely not in line with school dress code.
Disappointing that my ponytail theory doesn't look likely though.

>>144417269
I see it as more of a retcon than a recreation. The difference is marginal, but in this case it's an alteration of events rather than creation from scratch. I suppose it could apply in this case, as suggested by Sayaka's outburst.

>>144417434
Close enough to be honest. The ribbons are a metaphorical and literal link between them. Them both wearing one completes the yinyang metaphor. It just makes sense.

>>144402801
>at the end

>>144416898
>Just rewatch from where the girls fight Homulilly to the end.
Yeah, not seeing it.

>>144417996
That's not my problem.

>>144413128
>Yeah but then she got to know her hundreds, if not thousands of times as the loop repeated.

That doesn't explain her initial decision in timeline 1 to throw her life away to save a girl she had only known for 29 days

>>144418090
Where are you getting 29 days? The time between her waking up in the hospital and Walpurgisnight is 48 days.

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A series where magic and miracles are real and anons argue about how it's unbelievable that a 14 year old girl made an emotional decision. Fuck.

>>144418090
She didn't know they would become witches. She didn't know it would take more than one rerun.

Madoka was the only girl to ever show her any affection.

>>144411261
Realistically how can there be a season 2 when Homura is a witch and Madoka is just a clone of the original trapped inside a reality-marble, and all the others are dead? You'd basically be watching entirely different characters.

>>144418047
>That's not my problem.
Yeah, because you're full of shit.

>>144418275
wat

>>144418090
It's implied their 30 days of friendship was more fulfilling than any relationship the viewer has ever had in their life. Madoka even said Homura gave her life purpose. Given the option to go back in time and save this once in a life time friend, she chose to go back and save her. Why is this hard to understand?

>>144418270
>Madoka was the only girl to ever show her any affection.

How does that disprove what I said about the decision being a purely emotional and spur of the moment in nature?

>>144418328
It's not my problem your too stupid to figure this shit out anon.

madoka 4 when?

next year?

>>144418355
>I wish to redo my meeting with Madoka, but this time I want to be the one to protect her

That's a pretty specific wish that addressed Homura's own feelings of inadequecy as well as her desire to save her friend. That isn't really spur of the moment.

>>144418275
>Homura is a witch
No, she's a demon.

>Madoka is just a clone
She's not a duplicate, she's more or less herself before becoming a magical girl.

>all the others are dead
Kyoko and Mami never died post-Madokami.
Sayaka and Nagisa are simply their pre-magical girl selves, back to life.

>>144418420
Late 2017 earliest. Expect 2018. They're only 7 months into production and working on the script based on recent updates from Kirara.

>>144418378
It's not my fault you completely ignore the part where Homura basically states outright she just created everything as is, and everyone is their current age. She didn't remake everything from three years prior then live things out for three years, and her proximity to Madoka obviously stops the tranformation back to Madokami.

>>144418524
Are you capable of connecting dialogue and visual cues or do you need everything explained to you?

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>>144418355
>purely emotional
No shit, what else would it be?
>spur of the moment
What do you base this on? Is a month and a half not enough time to build up a long-term emotional investment in the only person she ever had any emotional investment in? How long is enough time for that to happen?

>>144418420
Soon™

>>144418445
>but this time I want to be the one to protect her

If that was part of the wish then how come Madoka dies so many times? You're literally just blown apart the entire show with a massive plot hole

>>144418620
Homura did protect Madoka, didn't you watch Rebellion?

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>>144418620
Homura always has the chance to reset and try again, so her wish is always viable so long as she keeps trying.
And if you'll recall, she succeeded in the end.

>>144418619
All the girls showed her affection, as did the teacher and her classmates. There's no logical reason why she should single out Madoka for projecting special feelings onto her. Her decision to go back in time was simply to save someones life. She would have done the same for her parents or the postman.

Didn't Quebee say at one point that some members of his race had emotions and it was considered mental illness? Why didn't they turn those ones into magical girls? Surely that would have been easier than traveling the universe looking for humans that may not have even existed.

>>144418703
That was just politeness, you wouldn't tell the new transfer student to immediately fuck off. Madoka was the one who approached Homura, and Madoka was the one who saved her from witches.

>>144418616
>dialogue
Yeah I have the subtitle file and you're full of shit. Keep trying though.

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>>144418703
There's no reason for anyone to single out anyone to fall in love with. All it takes is a spark. Love isn't logical.
Madoka told Homura that she wasn't worthless, that she could become cool to match her name. Then saved her life when she was being witched into depression. People have sacrificed more for less than that.

what if homura and madoka shared the same beard?

>>144418918
Anon go home you're drunk

>>144418890

So why didn't any of them even at least consider saving Mami after her head got snapped off? They don't even bring it up as a passing thought. Did they not like her? If not, why did they cry when she died?

>>144418955
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beard

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Why didn't he just get someone to wish for lots of energy to solve the entropy issue?

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>>144418984
That seems like an odd tangent but okay.
Refer to episode 4, where Madoka apologizes for "being so weak". She can't make that wish because she's too afraid it would happen to her when she becomes a magical girl.

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>>144418874

>>144419076
Magical girls already produce free energy when they become a witch, that's the whole point. But each one has a different level of energy produced. Similarly, the size of the wish they can make is variable. Clearly, you can't just get as much energy as you want from one girl.

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>>144419184

>>144419010
Girls in Japan can be super-affectionate in public since they're expected to form pseudo-lesbian relationships to "practice" for boys.

I think there was a yuri manga with a part where the girls talked about how they could get away with being together in public because of Class S bullshit

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>>144419010
Oh

Yeah no that's still dumb

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>>144419248
>Actively has to restrain Madoka by force supress her power

>>144419248
Like I said before, she's a clone, just a reproduction using "records" of someone who is dead. Like imaging a hard disk and copying it to a new drive, it's not the same computer even though it has all the same files and functions the same way.

>>144419184
>>144419219
>Dark Orb created immediatly after tearing off that piece of the Law of Cycles
Yeah, we weren't talking about what you just posted. We're talking about this dark orb and jewel.

>>144419010
What the hell?

>>144419338
>I'd say it's happy end, at least for the main character Homura. I also think Sayaka's stock is raised. Since when the world ends up that way, the only one who can save it is Sayaka. She really becomes a lone hero. -Urobuchi on Rebellion's ending

Come on dipshit, tell me where its implied that Madoka can just become a concept at any point. Urobuchi certainly doesn't say so. Nor does the concept movie.

>>144419341
Except she's clearly still connected to the rest of her soul, most of her memories are just suppressed. So yeah, no.

>>144419427
Urobuchi says a lot of things

>>144419341
Madoka didn't die. She ceased to exist. In a world that had no memory of Madoka, Homura restored her existence by ripping her memories from the Law of Cycles.

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So she's going to be the mediator between heaven and hell, right?
Fits her character perfectly, so proud of my girl.

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Where did Homu's soul go?
She broke it

>>144419722
No she's going to ruin shit again and die

>>144419743
It's the lizard.

>>144419722
She's going to get angry at Homura and have no idea what's going on, then fuck everything up
So you know, the usual

Why do all lesbian relationships end in disaster?

>>144419722
Yes. Sayaka and Homura are going to be too busy being autistic to actually listen to what Madoka wants.

>>144419343
>Explaining how and why Dark Orb functions
>Not related lol
How does it feel to be retarded?

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>>144419806
>

>>144419887
>Ad hominem from the very beginning
>Posts no proof of anything to back up absurd claims
Yeah, ignoring you now.

>>144419722
I wonder if something will happen between her and Kyouko.

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>>144419806
Yuri is an unnatural abomination.
Listen to QB:
>It was not we who betrayed them, but rather their own wishes.
>No matter what their hopes were, anything that goes beyond reason will without fail cause some sort of distortion. It's only natural that this would result in disaster.
>If you consider a natural consequence like that to be "betrayal", then their mistake was to make those wishes in the first place.
Replace "wishes" with "forbidden love" and there you go.

>>144419806
Because Yuri is trash.

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>>144416401
Her witch form is fun. I still have to say I like her human form more though.

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>>144416897
Aoi is a miracle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW36HQwY4mw

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>>144420369
>>144416897
These are both Madoka's voice actress? She is a good singer. I am a little jealous.

>be nice to the new girl at school
>turns out she's a total psycho stalker lesbean
>misinterprets your random kindness for love

>>144420736
Well at least it's probably better than dying

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>>144420688
>he hasn't watched Symphogear
It's worth it just for Hibiki, Aoi's slightly off-key hot-blooded singing is great.

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>>144420688
She is one of the most talented people in the industry, to be honest.

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>>144420773
There are things worse than dying

>>144420823
I only know 2 of those characters, and one of them is SAO

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>>144420013
>Listen
>to
>QB
What a good boy.

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>>144420814
I haven't. I mostly just watch magical girls. Although looking at it it kind of looks like a magical girl anime, only they use technology instead of magic. Is that accurate? I might like it then.

>>144420823
I never knew she was Rivalun. I'll have to rewatch some of her scenes. I don't know most of the rest unfortunately.

>>144419341
Think of it this way-- the Law of Cycles is essentially Instrumentality for magical girls. Homura essentially restored all of the girls to human form.

>>144419722
She'll be a red herring for conflict because she has no idea what actually is happening.

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>>144421357
It's somewhere between magical girl and mecha musume, it's also cheesy as fuck and it's even gayer than Homura.

Predicting Madoka and Homura dying in each others arms while Kyubey emerges triumphant once again.

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>>144421692
Your prediction is dumb.

>>144421390
>She'll be a red herring for conflict because she has no idea what actually is happening.
>Mami: Hey Sayaka, what exactly happens when we restore Madoka's power?
>Sayaka: Madoka is returned to her destiny of managing the eternal burden of magical girl despair. She'll be completely alone too. Great right?
>Mami: Umm.. what will happen to you?
>Sayaka: Bebe and I go back to the Law of Cycles and you and Kyouko go back to being completely alone.
>Mami: And why is Akemi-san the devil?"
>Sayaka: She ripped Madoka out of the Law of Cycles ad took on it's burden so Madoka could be with her family and friends. That evil bitch even reunited me with Kyoko and shacked you up with a loli.
>Mami: How is she evil again?

>>144421833
Why is Sayaka yellow

>>144422808
Because art.

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>>144402801
Literally the same thing is happening in Macross Delta with Freyja and Mikumo.

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>>144423033
Honestly though. What is up with that girls hair? Should I watch to find out or can somebody spoil it for me?

>>144422015
Mami isn't nearly that level-headed. She shot and killed Kyoko, nearly did the same to Homura, and was planning to eliminate Madoka and herself as well.

>>144423315
Yeah, I'm aware. I can hope though. It's going to be a complete train wreck as long as Madoka's omniscience is sealed.

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>>144402801
She became desperate.

On the anime end she loses all hope and let madoka sacrifice herself even tought she wanted madoka to keep living.

Next on the movie she realizes that madoka sacrifice was only because there wasn't another options. Madoka could either hid and die with the rest of the people at hands of walpurgis or she could sacrifice herself to save everyone, she chooses the later.

So homura realizes her mistake and that she should have stopped madoka sacrifice but its too late now, and between her guilty feelings and rage against kyuubei for trying to capture god madoka, her personality became a little dark, and realizes that the only way to save madoka was to use more extreme methods (removing her godhood, erasing her memories and putting her on a fake/new reality).

Homura is pure love

>>144423976
i really hope there is a 4th movie or a second series. and ends with a final battle of godesses.

madoka and homura as the god and the devil, battling to finally settle their score once and for fucking all as well as healing the world and stopping this magical shitfest forever.

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Reminder that Sayaka made this girl cry.

>>144424086
There is a new project in the making. I'm 90% positive that it will be a new movie.

A final battle is one of the worst ways to end the franchise though. Action and fights are not what Madoka Magica is about.

>>144424242
Mami v. Homura was pretty much making fun of that. A flashy, no substance battle that barely moves the plot.

Madoka and Homura may fight, but it's guarenteed to come down to 20-30 minutes of tearful dialogue and exposition, hopefully some well deserved healing, and a final universal rewrite.

>>144424242
i know about the new project and the madogatari project teaser, but it is only that, a project, its not even confirmed.

and also, given hoew things are, with homu being the devil and sealing madokas memory and power, not to mention the incredibly fucked state the world seems to be, one would expect madoka not being int the best mood once she inevitably returns to being a goddess.

outside the epic factor, situations like mado and homu's are exactly the kind of situations that only can be settled down with the always effective punch to the face from both parties, no matter if its boys or girls.

they both are gonna have a LOT of anger, madoka for being used as a puppet, homura for basically EVERYTHING ELSE that has happened to her in the wraith world and the dream world.

>>144424515
I honestly question if we watched the same series.

>>144424515
I'm done. I think you need to realise Madoka is not One Punch Man or Dragonball or whatever. Sorry for ruining your dreams.

>>144408500
>In Madoka's character song, which I believe is Madoka singing about her time as a concept, she says she is lonely, she hides her true feelings, and essentially says that she wishes that Homura had stopped her.

Except narrative-wise, it doesn't make any sense though. If Madokami was truly that lonely, she wouldn't try to break through Homura's hold at the end of Rebellion. Now, I do believe that Madoka did miss Homura though and seemed very excited (which Sayaka remarked on) when it came to take Homura to Magical Girl Valhalla.

>>144424515
>they both are gonna have a LOT of anger, madoka for being used as a puppet, homura for basically EVERYTHING ELSE that has happened to her in the wraith world and the dream world.
>Madoka: You don't have to hate anyone anymore. You have... me...

Madoka sounds full of rage anon.

>>144418090
You have to understand how shit Homura's life has been up to that point. Madoka was THAT ONE BEST FRIEND to her. She didn't know that she would have to suffered hundreds of loops to save her.

>>144424832
Accepting that your eternal loniliness is worth the cost of your wish =\= completely fine with being alone. Happiness and responsibility are two different things.

>>144424728
>>144424737
>>144424904

calm down, its just an opinion/idea.
after all, for all we know, the project may not go beyond the video pilot phase and we may never have a continuation.

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>>144424832
It's like you don't understand Madoka at all

>>144424180
Nothing wrong with that.

>>144424180
She cries like literally every episode, it can't always be Sayaka's fault

>>144425023
Except she isn't really lonely either as Rebellion shows that she can interact with the Magical Girls and even give them forms. Madoka wasn't going to be lonely, but that she was leaving everyone was a sad thing for her but her wish of wanting to be something for someone was going to refill. She was sad that she was going to be separated from Homura but that was only a temporary thing, still sucked but it wasn't a forever type thing.

The whole thing with Rebellion was that Homura was projecting her need to be with Madoka on Madoka again. Homura, like pretty much most magical girls, made a wish that was not entirely honest. Yes, she wanted to protect Madoka, but she really wanted to be with her again. That's why she was not really happy with Madoka being the Law of Cycles even if it meant she saved Madoka from a fatal end because it was not the result Homura wanted. Homura projected all of that on a Madoka that she wasn't even SURE that was the real one and it was pretty obvious that Madoka is not the Madokami one.

>>144425707
Being a goddess isn't all fun and games. Heaven doesn't even have cheese, it's not the constant tea party some people like to portray it as. See episode 12, it's clearly portrayed as a big burden to bear. And being returned to the world is essentially treated as coming back to life, based on Sayaka's reaction.

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>>144416194
She is Hanyū (Hanyuu or Hanyu) from "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni". Both she and Nagisa have a way of saying “nano-desu~". Nagisa closely resembles Hanyū. Yeah, Nagisa is really annoying. Though there is a tripfag who can not accept the fact.

>>144419010
Oh!! I learned the meaning of the word today.

>>144419356
Is the meaning of "beard" no longer in current use?

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>>144425169
Except, no. Madoka never expressed a pronounced fear of being lonely. Only a pronounced need to be useful (which is why her wish actually worked because she was being completely truthful about it). Do she miss her family sometimes? Yes, ir's implied she plays with her baby brother at times. But she never expressed any regrets of her choice. There was nothing that she was lonely. Considering that Valhalla is basically Instrumentality, which makes it very arguable that she is even lonely. I do believe that she really missed Homura though and was ecstatic to take Homura with her.

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>>144426017
>she never expressed any regrets of her choice
My point precisely.

>>144425840
It isn't but it satisfies Madoka's need to be useful and that Madoka has the mentality to be the Law of Cycles. Yeah, it doesn't have cheese, but Nagisa still seems happy to be there.

>>144426073
Because she doesn't have any. That's the point. Homura is only 'worried' about Madoka being self-sacrificing because it doesn't benefit Homura in the end.

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>>144424515
Punching your girlfriend in the face does have precedent

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>>144425933
>>144425971
Honestly, Homura along with Hanyū/Rika are also like Mikumo from Macross Delta. Why is the story line with girls transcending or being more than the universe so popular?

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>>144426146
>it satisfies Madoka's need to be useful
Well, yes. Madoka, if given the choice, will sacrifice her own happiness for helping others. Homura thinks that this is an unfair choice to force on her.

>>144426234
Okay, let me spell it out for you. "Madoka didn't regret it" isn't enough, because Madoka also didn't regret dying while fighting Walpurgis in timeline 1. Should Homura have left it there? Madoka was satisfied with her heroic death, right? There's nothing left that needs to be done?

>>144425707
>Except she isn't really lonely either as Rebellion shows that she can interact with the Magical Girls and even give them forms.
They were only given form by the isolation field and being invited into the barrier. Madoka had nothing to do with that. Homura's clara's are show forcibly dragging Madoka in.

>Madoka wasn't going to be lonely
Episode 12 says she's unable to interact with anything, She's a law that erases witches, not a god that lives in a sort of lesbian heaven.

>The whole thing with Rebellion was that Homura was projecting her need to be with Madoka on Madoka again.
>Would have spent eternity with Madoka in heaven
Pick one and only one anon.

>Homura, like pretty much most magical girls, made a wish that was not entirely honest. Yes, she wanted to protect Madoka, but she really wanted to be with her again.
By your own logic, Homura could have done that in meguca heaven. Instead she reunites Madoka with her friends and family and accepts that she may have lost Madoka forever as the cost.

>Homura projected all of that on a Madoka that she wasn't even SURE that was the real one and it was pretty obvious that Madoka is not the Madokami one.
Kyubey confirmed it was Madoka in the 20 minutes of exposition. Madoka lacking her memories did not negate the fact that was Madoka and that Kyubey found a means to enslave the Law of Cycles.

Both Madoka and Homura value self-sacrifice over personal happiness. That's made explicit throughout the series. There's no projection because that's who they are: they gain fulfillment by being useful to others at the expense of happiness.

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>>144426410
I still haven't watched Macross. I personally think time travel and psychic abilities are popular technique and cliché.

>>144426410
I don't watch Macross, what's so special about her?

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Do you guys think they will ever overwrite Hamura? She herself indicated that her and Madoka will eventually become enemies

>>144426886
>>144426950
You guys should definetly check it out. I don't want to spoil, but if your a fan of Homura and the Homura/Madoka dynamic you'll definetly like Delta.

>And no, you guys do not need to watch the previous series.

>>144427163
Ok, I'm gonna be honest with you anon. Is she gay? Is it even worth sitting through 50 episodes of harem antics and hetshit for a few minutes of space lesbian?

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>>144427244
LOL

>>144402801
the realization that no matter how many years of effort, she was still too incompetent to save madoka.

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Bye!

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>>144427244
Yeah. It's worth it.

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>>144427443
Well she did manage to in the end sort of

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>>144428234
Or with someone with short hair.

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>>144428277

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>>144428290
qt

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Black and blue go better than black and pink

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>>144428317
This is the plot to the next movie. Calling it now.

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>>144428367
>madoka regains her memories and fixes the universe
>tells homura and sayaka to get along because they need to work together
>homura goes over the top with it to please madoka
>sayaka goes along with it because her best friend is god
>they end up falling for one another

>>144426567
>They were only given form by the isolation field and being invited into the barrier. Madoka had nothing to do with that. Homura's clara's are show forcibly dragging Madoka in.

Except no. Nagisa and Sayaka were there like guardians for Madokami to split her powers so she can get in the Homulilly barrier undetected by the Kyubeys. Except we see Sayaka and Nagisa AFTER the field was broken.

>Episode 12 says she's unable to interact with anything, She's a law that erases witches, not a god that lives in a sort of lesbian heaven.

Except she also takes the souls of the Magical Girls with her so she does have a technical resting place within her. It's her technically using the powers that she had as Kriemheld Gretchen in a different way. She can't interact with the living world.

>By your own logic, Homura could have done that in meguca heaven. Instead she reunites Madoka with her friends and family and accepts that she may have lost Madoka forever as the cost.

Homura doesn't see it as heaven once she had an incomplete Madoka tell her that she would be unhappy and basically confirming what Homura felt about the matter. The whole point that Madoka as the Law of Cycles never asked for that. Homura assumes that it's what Madoka wanted without actually asking Madoka. Madoka wouldn't be fighting through Homura's reality wrap. Even Homura admits that it is an only matter of time.

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>>144428434
Urobuchi pls

>>144426869
>Both Madoka and Homura value self-sacrifice over personal happiness. That's made explicit throughout the series. There's no projection because that's who they are: they gain fulfillment by being useful to others at the expense of happiness.

Homura doesn't really value self-sacrifice though. She really mirrors Sayaka that her wish seems self-sacrificing in a way but it was more that she didn't want to be lonely anymore and the best way she thought was basically take Madoka's choices away from her. And that's made clear in the series and movies as well. For Madoka, her self-sacrifical nature brings her happiness in itself. We get a lot of stuff pointing out that Madoka has his big desire to be useful. Madoka as we know before becoming a Magical Girl is a young girl wanting to be someone useful to others. That's why when we do see the Original Timeline Madoka a lot of confident and wise after being a Magical Girl and why she was alright doing a sacrificial attack to save Earth.

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>>144428515
It was planed this way from the start

>Madokami almost gets blown the fuck out by a space rat
>Madokami gets blown the fuck out by a dying magical girl
>Had Homura not rebelled, Madokami would have still been blown the fuck out by a space rat at a later date
>There are anons who think she still deserves to be a goddess after this
All Madoka really did was prove she had absolutely no business being meguca or a goddess.

>>144428440
>technical resting place
It's not so much of a "place" as it is a compound consciousness. As mentioned before, like Instrumentality.

>Homura doesn't see it as heaven
It isn't heaven. It's a conceptual existence without a physical manifestation.

Now, there's something else to think about-- Madoka's wish was borne of necessity. She was the only one powerful to break Homura's cycles, and more than that, change the system on a universal scale to a better form, by sacrificing herself. The whole point of Homura's actions was to render that sacrifice unnecessary-- and instead bear the burden herself. Madoka would never ask Homura to shoulder her burden, but for the sake of Madoka's happiness, Homura took it upon herself to do so.

>>144428615
Homura values self-sacrifice in that she will willingly throw away her own salvation so long as she knows Madoka is happy. When Madoka existed as the Law of Cycles, she did not know whether or not Madoka was truly happy, since Madoka had sacrificed herself. Now, she knows Madoka can live a normal life, so Homura willingly gives up their relationship because she feels unworthy of it.

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What was the status of these two and their relationship with each other? TDS was all like they're friends or some shit which was kind of dumb since it was like one page long and hardly believable.

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>>144430636
If they're friends then I'm a fucking sasquatch. Do they ever talk to each other?

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Homura did nothing wrong.

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>>144432573
She did lots of things wrong. That's what makes her a character and not a mary sue.

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>>144432599
Can you name them?

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>>144432599
The only thing she did wrong was not taking what's rightfully hers

>>144432624
- Choosing to live a life of repetition to save Madoka when she easily could have moved on with her life.
- Being an ass to the other characters like Sayaka when her actions could have been more subtle.
- Choosing to distance herself from Madoka, adding more emotional stress onto what she was already feeling
- Telling QB about the other timeline
- Making assumptions when she talks to Madoka on the flower field
- Not asking for help from the other characters and turning into a witch because she's too used to being a loner
- Making a fake world, which Madoka would never approve of and will inevitably fail because of the circumstances she's placed herself in.

These are mistakes, but they make her a character and not some bland stereotype. They're mistakes that fall in line with her personality. If you want a perfect character that does nothing wrong just watch SAO, that's what Kirito is for.

>>144425480
Kill yourself

>>144432781
None of those are mistakes.

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>>144432781
>implying wanting to protect the people you love is bad
>Sayaka and Mami had shown through various timeloops that they were ticking timebombs who could not be trusted
>Homura was so devoted to Madoka that she was willing to sacrifice her own happiness for her, which is noble
>didn't think that QB would be an absolute madman
>sincerely thought that she was talking to the "true" Madoka instead of a specific version of her, had no reason not to make the assumptions she made
>Homura already was a witch, and as far she knew it was impossible to revert somebody once they turned
>did it for love
Homura is literally perfect in every way

>>144432893
Sure she is.

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>>144432998
We're all animals, when you get down to it.

>>144433017
The fuck is this?

>>144433031
What you need but didn't know you wanted.

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I want to get smashed with Homu

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>>144433031

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>>144433051
Me too.

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>>144433130
Let's do this.

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>>144433171
What bear do you want, senpai?

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Walmart YuYuYu ripofff

>>144433182
Terrible quality bait. 1/10

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>>144433205
I'm sorry

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>>144433181
Beer*

Jesus.

>>144433198
I'll have a normal one, a nice cold pint.
Want some peanuts?

>>144433214
Well someone responded so I guess I could bump the bait up to a 2/10, even if the respondee is dumb as a rock.

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mods woke up, fun's over

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>>144434104
It was fun while it lasted.

Sorry for the dumb question but why is Homora portrayed with wings in a lot of these pictures?

>>144418501
the trailer says september of this year

>>144418984
Kyuubey tells them that they can lose every drop of blood in their body and be fine, so why does Mami die when her head gets bit off?

>>144434954
Megucas die if their soul gem breaks.
Three guesses as to where Mami's is, and the first two don't count.

>>144434465
Watch Rebellion and you will understand

>>144434954
Mami kept her sould gen around her neck, and it broke when Charlotte chomped on her

I think that in the Movie adaptation it's made rather clear the gem craking in that moment

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>>144428354
Yeh but blue goes better with red.

>>144434954
Charlotte chewed the soul gem.

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>>144430636
What if they are in /a/?

>>144431487
Let me dream.

>>144436572
Why does it sound lewd?

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>>144430636
>>144436572

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>>144438233
Die

>>144439156
That's not very nice anon

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>>144438203
You know, if you want Apple-chan to be your friend you should try being nice. No one wants to hang around with someone who is mean or inconsiderate to others.

Another thing is, if someone doesn't want to talk to you, just leave them be. You just make it worse when you spam them continuously.

That is just my advice though. I hope you will consider it.

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Was this deliberate to fan the yuri flames? Were they aware of what they were doing?

Is season 2 coming soon?

>>144443299
Never.

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>it's an /a/ stopped shitposting/memeing and actually talked seriously about Madoka Magica and its characters episode

im proud of you guys

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>>144443299
>>144443366
nice dubs

but in all honesty after Wraith Arc ends (which is fucking never) there will be either a last movie or a new Season

new season would be a better move for Madoka Magica, giving them a chance to remaster the original series (additional sales for something made long ago), a series+rebellion bundle and the hype generated from Season 2.

>>144402801
Watch the movie again and this time actually understand it, please

How does this show compare with Fate Prisma Illya which I heard was a spiritual successor to it? If I really liked Illya will I like Magical Girl Madoka?

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To anyone who hasn't yet, this is your daily notice that you should really read The Different Story

>>144447285
>And it has been explained to you why many times over.

That's very impressive since I only finished it two days ago

>>144445690
I'd prefer a series but the higher budget of a movie was good for Rebellion

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How can other girls even compete?

>>144446507
Completely different franchises.

>>144448198
Well Mami is great at baking for one

>>144446507
They're basically the same series.

>>144448294
There should be a comma there but it actually works amusingly well without

>>144448294
I bet Madokas dad is a better cook since he stays at home all day

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>>144448294
I'd like to spend the day cooking with Mami. Maybe she could teach me some of her recipes.

>>144448446
I wonder if she ever succeeded in teaching Kyouko to bake. I imagine she wouldn't have the patience to wait for it to cook though