Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1607

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ぞいんくす

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>>144389618

死ねよ

>>144389618
I don't understand the picture

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Favourite ドラマ that aren't too hard to follow?

だが同じ本を読むことでも、同じ本の話でもいいからやってみたほうがいい。もしも恋愛が峠をこたえたと思えたり、これは失敗だったと思えたりしたときには。 本には恋愛の終りや失恋辛さを、もとに返す力はないが、あなたの恋愛の終りや失恋をもう一度、あなたが体験したよりもっと巨いく、もっと深くたいけんさせてくれる力があるから。

I do not understand the usage of でも at the beginning at all. . .like the rest of the passage is easy shit, but those beginning でも's confuse the fuck out of me.

Context is "speaking about past loves and such. In particular before this the author recommends not reading love books while in a relationship since it will dull yours if you compare. It's a bit long, so apologies."

Delete the 結核 from core 6k, yes/no?

>>144390113
>I do not understand the usage of でも at the beginning at all
What's confusing about it? Just one of the normal usages, "even if".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOPIJY_BsKc

>>144390085
The only non-shit dorama out there is アオイホノオ, watch anime instead.

>>144390207
I can already understand anime speak. I still have a lot of trouble with real Japanese speak

>>144390085
GTO, Water Boys, Ikebukuro West Gate Park and Hito ni Yasashiku are all A++. Maybe a bit of slang, but they're about as anime as you can get when it comes to dramas.

>>144390162
It's made out of really common kanji and has a predictable reading at least

>>144390172
alright then, one more question. . .that を before the comma. . .what the fuck is up with that?

>>144390487
you can put commas wherever the fuck you want in japanese

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>spend years translating shit
>hardly any words of thanks for hours and hours of work
>announce retirement
>suddenly a wave of EOPs that could never say thanks before saying you can't drop all those series you do for free

>>144390564
Surely just knowing that people are enjoying the shit you translate is thanks enough

>>144390564
what did you think was going to happen

>>144390564
who cares dude

>>144390618
Surely if they enjoy it they could say something every now and then. But seriously biggest mistake of my life in regards to free time, all the series I could've watched and read instead over the years.

Anyone learning now with delusions of translating, don't fall for the trap.

>>144390660
I'm only learning so I can cut the chains that tie me to translators.

>>144390691
relying on yourself is the best

>>144390660
like if you do anything on the internet and want people to suck your dick for it you are extremely naive and need to get over yourself

>>144390832
>implying there's any point to translations besides e-dick sucking
You must be new to this.

>>144390660
I enjoy translating, it's true that it is a massive time sink, and that time could be spent better somewhere else, but I still enjoy giving back to the community, and hey the whole reason why I'm learning Japanese is to feel like I'm being productive, so being productive translating too is just like an extension of that

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>>144390660
>working for free
>literally ever not a mistake

>>144390113
>もしも恋愛が峠を"こえた"と思えたり
>本には恋愛の終りや失恋"の"辛さを
>あなたが体験したよりもっと"おおきく"

>>144391040
>It's pointless doing anything if you're not getting paid for it

I hate it when normies say this, feel kind of bad for people that actually think that

>>144391073
to be fair he said "working," not "doing anything"
and translating specifically is a little pointless

>>144391073
This desu I'm autistic and living off minimum income and doing things for free is literally the only way to give back to society.

>>144391073
dont worry about it those posts are usually made by poors who are crushed under the domination of money

>>144391073
>feel kind of bad for people that actually think that
nice cuck mentality you have there

you should only feel sorry for yourself for making such fruitless decisions, you're simply cucking yourself yet again by spending your sympathy where its not needed

>>144391123
恐るべき

>>144391123
This hurts my brain.

>>144391176
>>144391208
>Cuck

Didn't realise this thread was populated by so many 12 years olds, you guys are lucky that you're gunna have such an easier time learning the language with your still developing brains

>>144391154
>giving a fuck about giving back to society
you've been completely brainwashed by the jews, top kek lad

society does not give two shits about your """contributions"""

>>144391270
Nah nigga I'm not talking about the structure I'm talking about the unfortunate people that have to live inside of it.

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>>144390660
translating hah i can barely understand it for myself atm

>>144391250
>doing thankless work for entitled crybaby ingrates with no benefit to yourself

Nothanks.jpg

These threads didn't die a year ago when half of the members gave up after the workload became too great and the others realized they weren't actually learning Japanese?

>>144391339
If you happen to enjoy doing it then the benefit is that you enjoy doing it, knowing that other people are also getting enjoyment out of it is just a bonus, whether they're the "entitled crybaby ingrates" that you have traumatic memories about or not

>>144391314
One day we will transcend money.
After that the quantity of creative content will drastically drop, while the quality will drastically improve.

Too bad I'll be long dead by then.

>>144391405
people come and go here, as evident from the unchanging average skill level in japanese

>>144391473
The human race will be long dead before that ever has a chance of happening

>>144391473
no we wont that is but a pipe dream

we will damage the world just enough to make it uninhabitable for humanity at large and ultimately go extinct like the dinosaurs for a duration

>>144391473
Do you not know what money is? Honestly I doubt most Bernies understand the concept.

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>>144391497
The human race will be long extinct before anything good has a chance of happening.

>>144391516
All I need is a free energy power source + a star trek replicator and you can keep your damn money.

>>144391473
I think we'd have to transcend reproduction and mortality before we could transcend money.
We'll all probably be real, real long dead.

i want to see what happens when more technology advances marginalize more occupations, especially transport cause self drivers are on the way

humanity is still evolving, but slower than automation imo

>>144391473
we'll go extinct long b4

>>144391644
I'd imagine automating all of the menial jobs that the lower and middle class do would be the first big step in the human race actually striving to accomplish something meaningful

Unless it turns out like that Kino chapter where they discover telepathy and all become shut ins

>>144391557
>thinks printers run on air
Maybe in the star trek universe where the Vulcans have the Philosopher's Stone,
but in the known universe you can't just make something out of nothing. Our replicators would need a raw material to operate, and the entropy involved in rearranging atoms many times would create a mining industry. Do you think miners would work without getting paid?

>>144391644
Now why would you build a machine to make a machine that drives a machine to mine for the materials to make the machines when you can hire 50 humans to do it cheaper? Minimum wage.

>>144391730
I hope future generations find your post 10,000yrs from now and laugh at you

>>144391767
>Anyone still being here 10,000 years from now

Where is the 日本語？

>>144391730
>you can hire 50 humans to do it cheaper?
well, here in aus rio tinto did just what i suggested, replaced their haulpack drivers with bots and saved $1mil in wages per 4 drivers

the trains were already bots, i also heard recently the london underground is now driverless but lets be honest what the fuck does a train driver do anyway

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>>144391811

So, Genji from overwatch often says 「この手のか？」which, as I've learned, basically translates to "is that all you've got?"

After learning that, I found that I heard it used often in anime. . .

>So what's your question
Why is it 「この手のか」 and not 「この手なのか」shouldn't there be a な in there?

>>144391724
Nope. That'll only leave the under classes poor and unemployed and angry and the machine makers fat and rich with innovation the last thing on their minds.

>>144391767
>thinking I care about a bunch of robber baron warlords born out of yet another failed collectivist society

>>144391814
There in aus it's actually cheaper to hire a robot.

>>144391849
I don't have the game but are you sure it's not 程度

>>144391849
手 is an adjective?

>>144391473
Why would the quantity drop? If anything once humans no longer need to work 40 hours a week to live, there'll be a lot more people willing to spend time creating stuff for fun. Of course most people will still be useless slugs that mindlessly consume the content others create while contributing nothing to culture of their own, but there will be still be plenty willing to try it themselves.

>>144391909
>once humans no longer need to work 40 hours a week to live

they already dont that stuffs just for chumps lmao

>>144391895
You might be right

In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S071z_lBRmM) at around 1:18 the blond chick says what I assumed to be この手のです but after reading your comment, I heard it as この程度です

>>144391869
>Nope. That'll only leave the under classes poor and unemployed and angry and the machine makers fat and rich with innovation the last thing on their minds.

At first sure, but you could just kill them all off or wait for them to die out, the people higher up would only be obsessed with being rich for a while until the whole concept of wealth and power died down as wealth classes levelled out, it would be easier to strive to get rid of money if robots were doing everything too, and eventually humans could actually start perusing shit like science and the arts by default, as there would be a lack of anything else to distract people

>>144391981
>and eventually humans could actually start perusing shit like science and the arts by default,

haha no were gonna drink and fuck and fight and kill and smoke weed and be consumed by hate and contempt for those around us for as long as we exist

humans are disgusting vile creatures which is why the idea of transcending human nature itself is quite comical and entertaining, this includes thinking human society could ever have any other kind of balance

>>144391909
For one why would any collectivist government allow art to be created that has the possibility of expressing dissenting opinions? They control the means of production, the means of producing musical instruments.

>>144391981
Castro hasn't taken to studying cave paintings just yet.

>>144392028
Yeah you've got a point, I feel like that shit's just nurtured and enhanced by the system we live in though, and that it could very well be possible to create a system that encourages being good people and pursuing knowledge and art, I mean there are already people like that it's just they're the minority underneath the legions of mindless clones of normies

Would never happen though obviously, we're too deep in this shit to ever change it

>>144392047
Why would there be a government in a society where anyone can get anything they want so effortlessly they don't even need money?

>>144392133
By "we" and "the system", what would you be referring to? Surely not the one where the first successful flight across an ocean was accomplished in order to win a prize of money.

>>144392254
For one that will never be the case and for two there will always be people who violate the NAP.

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DJT is a japanese thread, not a zany transhumanist political debate center. Take it to /pol/

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>>144392426

>>144392311
You can't just change one variable and think that's an accurate picture of the future.
Humans always find meaning in their surroundings. Just because our current environment leads to money being one of the biggest motivators doesn't mean something else wouldn't take it's place as a meaningful motivator if money were removed from the environment over enough time.

>For one that will never be the case
whatever you say /pol/

>>144392426
Since when was the DJT ever about Japanese?

>>144392491
Back to the part where I mentioned Bernies have no idea what money is.
How do you think in your utopian fantasy land they will figure out how many chickens a cow is worth?

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デルモンテのケチャップより

カゴメのケチャップのほうがおいしかった

なんで？

>>144392621
わけわかんない

>>144392620
Do you really think the only possible society that could exist is one based around money?

>>144392621
>ケチャップ
庶民は面白いね

>>144392621
ケチャップよりガーリックマヨネーズはおいしいよ

とくにピザとともに

んんん･･･ガーリックマヨォォ･･･私の口の中にいらっしゃい～

>>144392620
Money is a medium of exchange in the form of coins, banknotes, or legally binding IOUs for coins or banknotes or properties with a liquid monetary value.

>>144392689
I'm not sure if it would be more fun to ask you to define money or name another.

>>144392620
There must be a lot of retards on /pol/, which I'm assuming is your home board, if you really think there's people out there who don't understand the function of money.

>>144392689
He can't conceive of a civilization that doesn't need to trade goods with each other

>>144392747
I don't see the reply count going up, but instead of going down that road, I'll ask you: if there are really no people who understand the concept of money, why would anyone possibly advocate raising the minimum wage?

>>144392812
>if there are really no people who understand the concept of money, why would anyone possibly advocate raising the minimum wage?
Maybe because the minimum wage was historically an intentionally high bar set high enough so that employers couldn't conspire to recreate serfdom, and the fact that minimum wage isn't bound to inflation is currently being abused to recreate serfdom?

>>144392829
If this made logical sense I'd have an easier time comprehending it. What do you think an employer is?

>>144392982
Someone that owns the infrastructure and intellectual property of a business and pays people to do things that make them money.

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>>144392501
some people just take everything for granted right

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>>144392693
ケチャップって、庶民しかたべたらダメなのん？

>>144392735
マヨネーズもピザも一年に一回くらいしかたべないよ

>>144393081
>一年に一回くらいしかたべないよ

残念だねぇ、日本人はピザをあんまり食べないね、でもほかのおいしい食べ物たくさんあるからだいじょうぶ！

>>144393053
No, it's a guy who wants a thing done and is willing to give someone else money to do it. If you pay a teenager $20 to watch your kid while you go out to eat, you're an employer. Is the teenager a serf?

>>144393080
猫が嫌いです

>>144392812
Because workers being paid a higher wage is fundamentally good for society as a whole?

Why do you think shitholes where workers get paid cents are so poor? It's because economies rely on the people having money to buy goods. In the first world even poorer people can afford all sorts of relative luxuries, and that means the companies that produce those luxuries make money, which in turn means they can employ more people, and everyone is better off as a result. You try paying everyone in cents and you'll find no one is buying your shit because they can barely afford to put food on the table, and it's the companies who suffer as a result.

>>144393184
>猫が嫌いです

As if you couldn't get any worse

自殺してください

>>144393184
>No, it's a guy who wants a thing done and is willing to give someone else money to do it. If you pay a teenager $20 to watch your kid while you go out to eat, you're an employer. Is the teenager a serf?
No, in this situation the teenager is self-employing and contracting themselves out to someone who needs someone to watch their kid.

When it's unreasonable for a majority of people to employ themselves, and employers are able to pay their workers an amount unfitting of the economic value they generate, the employer is actively creating economic disparity because each employer takes in significantly more from consumers than it gives out to employees.

Normally, this is not a problem, because increases in efficiency mean that each employee is capable of making much more value than they personally need to consume from other businesses to live a normal life. However, modern society is full of mismanagement (useless jobs in the wrong places) and employers that /literally/ conspire to barely give their employers enough to survive, in order to maximize profit.

Minimum wage needs to be high enough for corporations to have their employees create more value than they need to expect to live a normal life, but it needs to be low enough that corporations are capable of taking in value instead of breaking even on their employees.

The biggest problem is that there are far too many useless jobs (moving a lot of office workers to work on infrastructure would be a good start), and that there are a lot of industries that are essentially parasitic to socety and are creating artificial capital bubbles where tons of value exists but very little of it is being traded to real people.

That's exactly what someone who wants to recreate serfdom in a world where slavery and things related to slavery are illegal. They basically make the workforce wageslaves with very little economic mobility by making it so that they need to be part of that employment in order to benefit from the system's massive buildup of capital. Instead of the lord having land rights and stripping away the freedom of their serfs in return for safety and livelihood, the lord has all the capital and is stripping away the freedom of their employees in return for the participation in a rigged economy.

>>144393313
Should have spent the time you used writing that to read some Japanese

Pretty spot on though

>>144393396
thx
currently reading manga

>>144393204
You're confusing cause with effect. The economic policy 'higher wages create more demand creates more jobs creates higher wages' is wrong. The reason why first world countries have an easier time purchasing luxuries is because those who make them make them cheap enough for people to afford them. Otherwise the demand would outweigh the supply and cause inflation. Which is why most left-wing countries are broke.

>>144393225
I suppose in a system where 'employment' specifically refers to the unethical exploitation of ones labor for profit, that would make sense.

>>144393313
Same with this. You guys know Marx never had a job in his life and wouldn't have the first idea about how a business is actually run, right? Learn your economics from /biz/, not /lit/.

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>>144393143
おいしくないたべものもあるよ

たとえば

うめぼしとかうめぼしとかうめぼしとか

>>144393537
>I suppose in a system where 'employment' specifically refers to the unethical exploitation of ones labor for profit, that would make sense.
Not really. 20 bucks an hour can be very beneficial to a teenager. Employers are usually the good guys because they handle interacting with regulations while the employees can still interact with society's economic systems in a legal manner.

>Same with this. You guys know Marx never had a job in his life and wouldn't have the first idea about how a business is actually run, right? Learn your economics from /biz/, not /lit/.
I'm a communist, not a marxist. I don't believe in revolution or the death of the overclass or revolution or any of that nonsense. Hell, you won't even see me aligning with the philosophies of cuba or the soviet union. Ironically, my economic beliefs probably align best with nazi germany, despite how evil nazi germany was.

>>144393585
>I'm a communist, not a marxist. I don't believe in revolution or the death of the overclass or revolution or any of that nonsense. Hell, you won't even see me aligning with the philosophies of cuba or the soviet union. Ironically, my economic beliefs probably align best with nazi germany, despite how evil nazi germany was.
The definitions of "socialist" and "communist" flipflopped like three times during that time period. What ones do you mean?

>>144393566
ガーリックマヨと食べたらどう？

>>144393599
Communism: Common ownership, but of value, not money. Build the state's economic regulations around rewarding everyone for taking part in the value system, but of course giving the people who do the best work the most value.

>>144393630
What does 今日 mean in this context?

>>144393681
The current position of the sun in the sky

"While the sun is at that position I will try hard yo!"

>>144393630
What does ぞい mean in this context?

>>144393787
>>144393787
She's trying to say 粗衣 but she has a cold

She works in a sweatshop so she has to spend all day making 粗衣 you see

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>>144393649
うめぼしたべたことないでしょ

お店で売ってるのは、「調味梅干し」っていう食べ物で、「梅干し」ではないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

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>>144393585
What restaurant were you planning on going to where you would be back within an hour? Anyway, businessmen are the good guys, because they do like making money, and in order to do that they need to sell products, and in order to do that they need to make them for a price people are willing to pay, and in order to do that they need to both innovate the field to make their products cheaper, and pay their workers a salary on which they can afford the product you sell. Henry Ford really was an american hero.

>>144393787
It means what ぞ would mean in that context but with an extra い.

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>>144393879
>and pay their workers a salary on which they can afford the product you sell. Henry Ford really was an american hero.
You ever been to walmart?

>>144393937
Aren't Wal-Mart actually on the forefront of paying their workers an exorbitant amount of money for low-skill labor? They can afford to sit through the inflation long enough for every grocery store chain smaller than them to go bankrupt after all.

>>144394006
>Aren't Wal-Mart actually on the forefront of paying their workers an exorbitant amount of money for low-skill labor? They can afford to sit through the inflation long enough for every grocery store chain smaller than them to go bankrupt after all.
Walmart employee work is worth a lot because it's possible to make a hell of a lot of money off of having a lot of people shop at a store, and it wouldn't be possible without those unskilled workers. That's where the fallacy lies. Skill doesn't matter at all. Only value matters. Of course, operating a business has overhead, but if you overwhelmingly make substantially more profit *after operation overhead* than you pay your workers, and your business would be impossible without your workers, that means that your workers are generating substantially more value than you're giving them.

This isn't actually a problem, because people only need so much to live. But in america, right now, people are actively having trouble living normal lives, at the same time as the income gap is increasing, and the largest employers aren't having any trouble at all. Clearly, something is going horribly wrong with the regulation of the distribution of value, because employees can't exactly opt out of the current system.

>>144394089
Japan's economy actually debunks the claim that income inequality is caused by the super rich not paying poor people their fair share. There exists no federal minimum wage, yet they have one of the smallest income gaps in the western world. Why? The fact that hard work and competition are instilled on them in schools? The fact that college is considered an extension of high school, charges a very affordable rate without being subsidized by the government, and teaches students what they need to become salarymen without drilling into them fantasy economics? The fact that the market isn't flooded with illegal foreign unskilled labor? You pick.

>>144389618
4?

>>144389618
>>144394530
How is that picture even supposed to work?

>>144394509
>Japan's economy actually debunks the claim that income inequality is caused by the super rich not paying poor people their fair share.
Japan's economy works completely differently from america's economy. Direct comparison is invalid.
>There exists no federal minimum wage
That doesn't mean people don't experience a minimum wage.
>yet they have one of the smallest income gaps in the western world
First, japan isn't a western country. Second, japan has hella economic problems, most of which stem from not enough value being generated by workers -- useless jobs.
>The fact that hard work and competition are instilled on them in schools?
Are you delusional?
>The fact that college is considered an extension of high school, charges a very affordable rate without being subsidized by the government
Oh, yeah, you're delusional.
>and teaches students what they need to become salarymen without drilling into them fantasy economics?
You realize that the japanese salary system is one of the most morally despicable things in the modern world, right?
>The fact that the market isn't flooded with illegal foreign unskilled labor?
Delusion 2.0

>>144394569
Ah yes, 'delusion'. A word used so often that whatever meaning it had is lost. Like 'bazinga'.

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>>144394610
Here, take this, and remember to keep it next to your katana so the thugs down the street don't steal it and sell it on the black market.

>>144394633
I'm waiting for the 'bazinga'.

>>144394656
I'm waiting for the Japanese

>>144389618 (OP)
レイ?

>>144394656
ばじんが

>>144394664

そうか？では、
日本の経済がアメリカより強いだ
イスラエルが9/11をした
どうだった？

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>>144394848
>強いだ

>>144394933
絶対変わってない、DJTたん

>>144394979
変わったくなくて笑った

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>>144394933
Do your reps

>>144395066
no I'm reading VNs
>>144395014
>変わったくなくて笑った
you meant 変わりたくなくて笑った didn't you

>>144395117
>変わってなくて笑った

のことじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>144395208
i assumed they were going for 変わる+たい+ない+て+笑う+た

Do I even need to be learning Japanese when Korean is an easier language and could get me chicks easier?

>>144395305
の

>>144395305
If what you're aiming for is fucking trashy sluts why not just not learn any language and go to America

>>144395343
Yeah but they have to be Asian, otherwise I might as well be dating a white chick.

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>>144395305
>３Ｄ

わゐゑを

>>144395426
私の娘が2次元彼女中で生まれできないんだ

>>144395539
>３Ｄ娘

>>144395578
>一人で死ぬ

>>144395649
>dying

>>144395649
You're never alone with 2D anon

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>>144395521
わいえをじゃなくて

わゐうゑをだよ

昔は「和為宇恵遠」の字だったとかなおもうよ

あいうえおの昔は「安以宇江於」だったかなとおもうよ

まちがってたらごめんね

>>144395831
What's the 2D-3D companionship conversation rate nowadays

>俺は冒険者たらんと
The fuck is this たらんと?

>>144396170
Heh, you're one hundred VN too early for grammar of this level punk

>>144396197
Could I at least get an exaplantion? ;_;

It's not even on dictionary.goo.ne.jp which is scary.

>>144396218
Dude, it's in rikai. Please.

>>144396218
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%9F%E3%82%89%E3%82%93-322715

>>144396267
So it's just a weird であろう? 俺は冒険者であろう is weird though isn't it? I'm probably an adventurer? Just what.

>>144396244
I- I just use online dictionaries...

>>144396329
Here であろう indicates volition. You can imagine there being している or something behind it. So a translation could be "I'm trying to become an adventurer"

>>144396387
>You can imagine there being している or something behind it.
Oh, because of the と? So then it's that volitional + to suru thing, I see.

>>144396329
たらん means the speakers volition.
The nuance is "I want to be a (full-fledged) adventurer, so (I do) ..."

So is the verb in plain form the most important think in order to understand japanese grammar?

Just looking for the plain form of a verb during a sentence could help understand the grammar structure of a sentence.
Am I thinking wrong?

今ばかり起きていたおなかすいた
でも前にここで無意味なポストを書き込まなきゃ

おはよございます
後進国から

>>144396508
>後進国から
Which one?

>>144396610
伯剌西爾 【ブラジル】
お、知てなかった、私の国の漢字の名前もあるよ

>>144396495
The most important thing to understand in japanese grammar is that it's a game about identifying which phrases belong to what structures.

Once you do that, grammar features you haven't learned yet don't get in the way of seeing the features you do know.

>>144396691
Don't you have the biggest community of japanese speakers there?
After japan of course

>>144396710
And that is why knowing that Jap is a SOV language where plain form verb comes last is useful as fuck.

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>>144396829

Guys what can I read to make me forget about how fucking hot it is right now

>>144396864
So The verb is indeed the most important part
Thanks

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>>144396508
>>144396691
おっすっ伯剌西爾くん。僕も起きるばかりよ
食べなきゃ、袋麺を早く茹でろ

>>144396900
エアコンの手引書

>>144391473
What do you mean "one day"? We already lived through this period of history, prior to the advent of "the publishing industry" and "the media industry."

>>144396799
あるなら得意に隠すよ
や、首都で日本人ばかり区がある、アメリカのチャイナタウンみたいかも
でもあいつらの日本語は難しいすぎる、全然わからないよ

たぶんあれはも日本語じゃない

>>144397032
I see.
How different is that from the standard?

>neg verb stem + ん can mean negative, or volitional
>行かん can mean 'not go' or 'let's go!'
Fug this language.

>>144397066
ん、一つ事は全員はおばさんよ
あのしゃべりかたは早いだけじゃない、訛りかもがある、でも一番異なるは日本語とポルトガル語を交える話よ
あれわむちゃくちゃだ

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>これから行くところでした。
>I was just about to go from now.
???????

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>>144397244
>日本語とポルトガル語を交える話
ええぇ。。

>>144397285
They were about to go but didn't maybe?

>>144397191
>or volitional
Can it?

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I have one line left that is confusing me for a scanlation:
http://exhentai.org/g/940764/61ae225670/
>ご主人の相手だったら生やさ薬も要るよね？
>So if you're her (your master's) partner, don't you also need some [growing/growth] medicine?

>お、それは別に大丈夫かな
>Oh, that's not a particular problem

>生やさないのに精力剤使うの？
>You're [not growing/don't need to grow], but you're using an aphrodisiac?

-------

Is 生やさ here working strictly in the sense of height/maturity, or is there some undertone I'm not noticing?
Googling it gives images of fertilizers and hair growth, so I would assume so, and its a way of Reisen telling Youmu that she is still a kid/immature.

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What's her problem?

>>144397444
I'm sure most of us would be the same if we had to interact with yotsuba in real life for more than 10 minutes

>>144397444
The first time I saw the ocean, I thought it was a lake.

In a sense, its a very big, saltwater lake.

>>144397350
Yes, classical む does that and is pronounced ん

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>>144397472

>>144397285
I'm leaving/heading( there) just now.

>>144397350
行かんとする (though this sounds bookish)

>>144397526
>>144397350
You don't need the とする

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>>144397558
>>144397526
Forgot pic.

>>144397423
>生やさ薬
If you correctly transcribed this, it sounds like a make-up word. Need the context.

>>144397350
Yeah, but you can understand it from the context

>>144397613
生やす薬

Actually, I had it right in my notes, but I second-guessed myself.

>>144397558
I wrote it as a crystal clear example.

>>144397580
Are you learning Old Japanese or some kind of dialect?
I'm a native speaker and not familiar with those example like 行かむ or 見む.

>>144397325
まちがい動詞か？
ならすみません

あのしゃべりかたはこのように
「今ばかり起きていたcafé da manhãが食べなきゃnão dá né」
「そうそうnão podeでも何か食べ物também não pode」
ま、全員は大げさだが確かにこれがある
それにあの所でただ日本人じゃない、等しくす数に三国人（チャイナとコリア）もある

>>144397794
It's classical https://classicaljapanese.wordpress.com/tag/%E3%82%80/

You sure you're native m8? Can you even read the 日本書紀?

>>144397794
Keep in mind classic む is pronounced ん

>>144397667
>生やす薬
a drug that grows something.

>>144397884
Thanks

>>144397472
wait what, miura is a girl?

>>144397843
>>144397871
So you guys are a type of people who learn Old Japanese....

>>144398007
lol

>>144397423
Took me some time to find the pages... from what I read, she's asking for medicine, and the girl asks if she wants a medicine to grow something (like a penis, I'd assume), since her master is female and they're both female...

"You're not using anything to [grow that] but you're still using an aphrodisiac?"
"Maybe... you're planning on using it on someone else other than your master?"

This much context should've given you everything you need...

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Are you watching /djt/'s official waifu's anime raw?

>身体を待て余している
What's the meaning of this?
Something saved up and waiting inside the body?

>>144398105
>Took me some time to find the pages... from what I read, she's asking for medicine, and the girl asks if she wants a medicine to grow something (like a penis, I'd assume), since her master is female and they're both female...
My thoughts exactly

>This much context should've given you everything you need...
True, and that is what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure if I was reading too much into it

>>144397814
>まちがい動詞か？
ううん、 びっくりした
それ聞いたことない..すごい

>>144398113
>raw
いいえ..僕の聞き取りが悪すぎ

>>144398144
It means it' like you have a sound body full of energy and are wanting to do some physical or figuratively physical activity.

Do you do core2k new cards after or during reviews?

>>144398113
>watching anime

This community is for adults.

>>144397347
I think maybe it is "I was about to go", but the translation got overcomplicated.

>>144397526
>I'm leaving/heading( there) just now.
Where does "deshita" goes here?

>>144398362
I do mine during. spice things up

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（しまった）今日もがんばりまーす

>>144398007
It's still used in a lot of seinen manga and stuff, usually written with the ん though.

>>144398397
>これから行くところでした。
>I'm leaving/heading( there) just now.
>Where does "deshita" goes here?
If you want to know the exact nuance with でした or です, give the context.
Without it, there is no telling because s/he has apparently not leave the place yet.

If you guess a word correctly like "higashi" (i dont feel like turning on ime), even if its entirely new do you press easy, good or hard?

What if you were close and thought something like "higasu"? Do you do "again" or good if you realize your mistake? Perhaps hard?

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日本語はとっても難しいです。

>>144398346
Thanks.

>>144398632
>If you guess a word correctly
If I guess the meaning and the reading I press easy.
>What if you were close
I press Hard if I got confused for a reasonable reason, otherwise "again".

It's better to make your own deck by the way.

>もう逃げられないかもしれんぞ。
>Might not be able to escape anymore, you know.

If this was "nigerareru" instead, would the chances lean more towards escaping than not escaping?

>>144398614
Yeah, that's the problem, there is no context (tokoro section):
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/genericnouns

>>144398671
あなたをバカですなのか
簡単ですしょう

>>144398671
いやいや
英語は

>>144398838
餌w

>>144398810
i dont see how making my own deck vs using premade ones relates, i use both.

anyway thanks for the input

Do you listen to anything while doing your daily Anki run trough?

>>144399013
why would i want my attention split while doing SRS...

>>144398504
>It's still used in a lot of seinen manga and stuff
旧仮名遣い? or like the phrase 君を見むとは? fun.

>>144399013
Yes. To my own voice, my pen scratching the paper and the sample sentence audios.

>>144399013
Only the sound of me stroking my erect penis

>>144398991
After the initial 2000 ones or so (and many times before), words that you would almost never see being actually used start appearing, of course that depends on what you're reading.

>>144398812
>もう逃げられないかもしれんぞ。
>Might not be able to escape anymore, you know.

>If this was "nigerareru" instead, would the chances lean more towards escaping than not escaping?
"I might be able to escape already."


>http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/genericnouns
Use a decent textbook. Maybe you guys only pick questionable examples, but my impression with that guide or text is not good.

>>144399346
>Use a decent textbook. Maybe you guys only pick questionable examples, but my impression with that guide or text is not good.

It's just supposed to be an introduction to the language, after which you reference DOJG. It's still way better than any college textbook in existence.

>>144399088
>旧仮名遣い
I think so, む -> ん was one of the post-war changes I believe, and hence why manga today write it with ん when they want to make characters sound ye olde.
>君を見むとは
Don't know what that's about.

>>144398812
That must be the laziest explanation of ところ I've seen.

>>144399461
>when they want to sound like bigots.

Without studying Classical Japanese, you'll never realize that 泉 is just 出づ水.

>>144399412
I meant people here keep posting questionable examples from it or explanations for them.
I believe school texts rarely have that kind of problem.

>>144399681
i dont spend time on anything natives dont even know

I want to start reading yotsuba raw
But I can't find where I can read it
Can someone please give me a link to download or read online yotsuba?

>>144399763
read the OP

>>144399763
You can find it in the same place you find your anime.

>>144399780
Thanks anon

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Are there any good website tools for practicing verb particles?

>>144400249
No, just read more dumbass.

>>144400249
Why would you need that when there are so many things you can read?

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>>144400354
I do a lot of reading. I was just wondering if there were tools to help me with learning.

>>144400354
and if you cant read at all, 'verb particles' are the last thing you should be practicing

>>144400402
Yeah check out www.readmore.com

>>144400402
>I do a lot of reading
If there was such tool it wouldn't help you at all, but only if what you say is true.

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>>144400429
>>144400503
But I'm reading right now. no bully

>>144400585
there you go you're doing the right thing

>>144400585
そのあかりんの顔は
なんか違う

>>144400249
もぐもぐ

>>144389618
>>144390059
>>144394561
>>144394705
Yeah it's れい. Again multiple answers which is unfortunate

れい+きん = れき
しゅう+く=しゅく
れん+いん=れい

Combining the first kana of the first two kanji to get the reading of the third

>>144400707
なるほどぉ

>>144400640
ならば画像を直して.

I was just going to link to this song for the meme factor but then I listened to it and it's actually really sweet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

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猫は今日から図書館に行く。

Is this a properly constructed sentence?

>>144401564
Cats don't go to library's silly
They don't even have thumbs, how would they turn the pages

>>144401564
Yes, it could have been written by souseki himself

>>144401564
No. Maybe in a few centuries から, though.

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>>144401676

Well I decided I'm not gonna do JCAT today but instead ill do one of the three practice N1 tests from a 模試 book I downloaded.

>>144401564
から means "from today". It doesn't make sense to use 行く here, 通う is more fitting.

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>>144401935
Noted. I had read that から is used when talking about time, so I'm glad that's cleared up.

>>144401809
I'm going to do it tonight when my family is asleep so I won't be interrupted.


How long does the JCAT take to complete?

https://youtu.be/sqMKvH2t24Q?t=4m14s
>Learned more about japanese in this video than in 2 weeks

>>144402489
マンコを見せてボケ

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ouch

>>144402058
I've heard it takes like half an hour to an hour

>>144402603
駄目 is pretty rude too

>>144402603
I feel like all of my vocab would stick if the examples were harsh and rude.

How exactly do you practice reading when you are still very early into learning? Do you just read some easy text, looking up the words you don't know or do you add the words you don't know into an Anki deck and then revisit the text from time to time until you understand it without looking up words?

>>144402688
You read something you WANT to read and try to understand it. Mining early on isn't needed since most of the words will pop up in Anki, about 3-4k mark is a good time to start.

>>144402688
Hanahira with a texhooker or Yotsubato with the reading pack are about as difficult as the example sentences in Tae Kim. Don't bother revisiting text you've already read in order to test your kanji knowledge, just read new, harder stuff instead.

>>144402829
>Mining early on isn't needed since most of the words will pop up in Anki, about 3-4k mark is a good time to start.
Are you seriously telling him to start mining 3k words into core? Fuck that dude. Start mining as soon as you start reading, start reading as soon as you want. Just delete cards from your mining deck once they pop up in core.

>>144402688
You spend a really long time reading really small amounts of text.

>>144402688
My suggestion is, after you have a decent grasp of grammar (it doesn't and it probably won't need to be perfect) to pick raw eromangos, an OCR (KanjiTomo) and go through it.

You'll find some more different examples that apply your grammar stuff and they're relatively easy, plus you have images and context to help the understanding.

Also eromangos are a must to learn important words and expressions such as この締まりが良いぞ, >>144402489's だらしないマンコを見せてくれ, 膣内射精られるの喜びさ, 浮気セックス, 「妊娠しっちゃうや」, among other very important stuff.

>>144402489

ほら！　マンコを見せてボケ！

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> 膣内射精られるの喜びさ, 浮気セックス, 「妊娠しっちゃうや」
> 孕め！！

>>144402489
Makes me want to move to japan and yell at 3D pigs.

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ファンタジースターIIは難しです。

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私はお尻をたべるだ。

I'm trying to download yotsuba from the resource guide but it says undecrypted file and I can download it.
can someone help me of give me another link to download yotsuba raw?

>>144403793
You are so fucking helpless Jesus Christ. Are you literally 12 years old? If you can't even figure this out on your own you definitely can't learn Japanese.

>>144403793
It's on Nyaa

>>144403793
check nyaa

>>144403854
>>144403864

thank you very much

>>144403852
He probably can
JUST READ

I want .html/.txt versions of Yukio Mishima's works. Does anyone know if they exist?

>>144403642
キモい

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>>144404055
お前がキモイ

>>144404423
惨いやけど

>>144402058
It may depend on how good you are but I can tell you that if you are N1+ then this >>144402615 is bullshit. It's closer to 2 hours

Production Challenge: Attempt to write a chuuni poem.

>>144405235
inb4 bone of my sword

>極東
>ごくとう probably
>きょくとう
>6 month interval

Hate this shit
Good thing I can just lie and press hard

>>144405463
It's usually きょく, why are you so dumb?

>>144405463
What I wanna know is why 天外魔境 is translated as "Far East of Eden."

>>144390085
I'm watching this garbage on netflix called "good morning call". I've never watched anything worse in my life but I'm having such a good time.

>>144405537
There are more ごくs in my mining deck, so I usually think of that one first

>>144405463
ごく seems to be more about degree than extremity in a geometric sense

>>144405235
と或る歪な世界の真ん中で
出来なくなりたくない者が唯増えて行く
嗚呼、友人として、囚人として、其の者は自分の終焉迄互いを誤ったり、惑わしたり、諦めさせたりするのであろう
確かに悲しい定め

>>144405718
Damn that's a good point, does seem like that's the case a lot of the time, not all the time though obviously, we wouldn't want readings to be too predictable after all

I'll have to keep that in mind though

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>>144402829
>about 3-4k mark is a good time to start.
never give anyone advice ever again, you disgust me

>>144405940
Nice pepe by the way. I saved it the other thread but I forgot to ask you for permission. I hope it's ok.

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>hanahira
>easy

>>144406153
upper arm poyopoyos like hippopotamus
japanese just make up onomatopoeia on the spot, get used to it

>Try to read Japanese youtube comments
>Can't understand anything

>>144406472
Learning Japanese will fix that for you

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>>144406504
I'M TRYING

>>144406544
oh
lol
try harder i guess

>>144402829
Any answer other than "as soon as possible" is wrong

>>144406610
mining early on is overrated as fuck
it literally doesn't matter where you learn your words from at that point because everything is so common

you read just to get used to grammar and improve comprehension and everything else, and you learn common vocabulary just by looking it up when you come across it

>>144406689
worse case scenario is that core or some other premade deck you're using shows you a word you already know and you take a second to suspend the card

I swear Japs don't even pronounce their words correctly most of the time, it's always just obvious what they mean through context even when some of the syllables don't sound anything like what they're supposed to be, guess it's probably just my lack of listening comprehension

>>144407007
>implying japanese isnt just one big ruse designed to fool foreigners
Theyve perfected thought transmission ages ago

>>144398113
ひふみさんは私の将来の嫁だ

>>144403130
I get a boner just from seeing 妊娠 or 孕

>>144407444
いいえ私のだ

ひふみさんの愛の勝負しよう！

>>144407565
>孕む

I get a boner whenever something is forbidden by islamic law because of this word

>>144406780
>worst case scenario
It's not like mining is gonna kill you, it just isn't necessary

In fact, anki in general is unnecessary for common shit

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>>144407574
何言ってるの貴様
武器を構え
アンギャルド ！

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>>144407686
ぶっ殺すぞ！
覚悟しろ！

もう疲れるた
何もしてないのに疲れるた
どうして

誰か私に何かを読んで下さい

>>144408210
昔々アノンくんがいました
できませんでした
おしまい

>>144408306
なんと作品だ！
もしかして文学者か？
ブラボー！

そんなベタすぎて笑えませんよ！」

I keep seeing "beta" in katana, the fuck does it mean? I looked it up but it's apparently it's a fish? Is it just an insult?

>>144408434
はい
それは私の傑作です

i honestly have trouble following tae kims writing style

would the genki 1and 2 books be any better? I see it on animebytes right now

Do you guys have good sample texts in hiragana ? I started learning them yesterday and I'm about 60% done. I'd like to start training myself to pick them up on the fly.

>>144409132
NHK news

>>144409132
こんにちはがいじんさん。わたしはげいという。ゆーきゃのとらーんじゃぱにーずです。

>>144409031
Japanese the Manga Way's pretty good

I'd recommend it over Genki, but it depends on your learning style really

Genki's just more suited for a classroom environment and doesn't have great structure IMO

>>144408775
look it up better

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眼鏡は最高の漢字と思う。早く眼鏡部に行こう

>>144407007
>I swear Japs don't even pronounce their words correctly most of the time
That's worth for about every language on Earth. Never plan on the common man speaking his mother tongue properly.

>>144409197
>>144409312
Thanks.

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まだ二第だけを見ていた、これ上手くになるかよ？
落したいかなそれでこの質問で

How does 「逃げられはしないよ」 come to "you can't run away"? Shouldn't it be something like 「逃げるのは出来ない」?

>>144409779
read taekim idiot

>>144409779
why should it oh right because youre literally going 1:1 japanese to english and thats not how it works

>>144409824
>>144409859
But it's not even turned into a noun and しない would be not, not cannot.

>>144409985
read taekim idiot

>>144409985
Ignore　>>144409824
Just read more

>>144409824
>>144410014
who the fuck is taekim

>>144409779
Study your grammar.

逃げる (verb) + える (potential) = 逃げられる
する (verb) + ない (negative) = しない

These are called conjugations and どうして私がこんな下らない説明していた？

>>144410056
Who the fuck is Tae Kim?
WHO THE FUCK IS TAE KIM?

>>144410194
>"(I) won't let you get away" is bit a more accurate meaning-wise
Why do you say that

>>144410208
Proof that Koreans know Japanese better than the actual Japanese

N1 模試 complete
172/188 with
57/61 on 語彙・言語力
55/63 on 読解
60/64 on 聴解

I'm disappointed. Missed a full 8 questions. I got tired and spaced out during a couple of the listening. Also gotta do better at answering the right one on the questions where none of the answers are particularly good.

>>144410194
>"(I) won't let you get away"
That makes it clear and I'm a fucking retard for not thinking about it from a different perspective.

i mustnt run away

>>144410244
Nevermind me, I'm dumb. But basically "逃げられはしないよ" is "逃げられないよ".