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For anyone who missed yesterday's episode of Dragon Ball Super (Episode 52):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAdkqsN0Bw0

It looks like we'll finally see how Zamasu is connected to Black Goku next episode. Any final guesses?
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Gohan best boy
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>>144329725
Future Zamasu literally is Black Goku. Don't expect any big twists or surprise reveals. They will just lay it into your lap. Mark my words. Vegeta and F. Trunks will fail to stop Black and Goku will defeat him.
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>>144330509
>Vegeta and F. Trunks will fail to stop Black and Goku will defeat him.
>veegta will fail
>goku will defeat black
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>>144330586
I don't like it anymore than you, but its guaranteed. I'm telling you Super will not do anything other than play it extremely safe.
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>>144330586
Good. Vegeta doesn't deserve to succeed ever. I'd throw Trunks a bone, but not Vegeta. But there's no way for Trunks to catch up now.
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>>144330586
Thats literally how dragon ball has been since becoming dragon ball.

>Big bad shows up.
>Lots of training occurs.
>Characters job horribly against big bad, despite showing any signs of improvement.
>Goku has to save the day.

Literally only 1 single arc has ended with someone other than Goku saving the day
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>>144330924

What arc was that? Would that be the Cell arc, where he had to handhold Gohan and even save everyone from Cell blowing himself up?
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>>144330924
You're being to nice to Goku's friends. They usually job to the Big Bad's far, far inferior henchmen.
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>>144329725
Use the catalog faggot.>>144320964
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>>144331106
BUMP
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>>144329725
That scene felt better in the TV special.
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>>144331106
That just looks like the usual autistic shitstorm on whether Goku or Chi-Chi is the worst parent. You can't really blame someone for assuming that there's no show discussion in there.
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>>144331261
That retard always does that in every DB thread, just ignore him.
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>>144331019
Yes, so technically, even then, though Gohan dealt the finishing blow, the day was saved by Goku, because of hand holding
>>144331080
Eh, not really, only Saiyan and Frieza saga's were like that. The rest have been due to the actual big bad.
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>>144330924
How many if we forget "only canon counts" ?
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>>144331470
As in like, the movies?
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>>144330924
>that entire post
wew
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>>144331615
Movies and filler
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>>144330924
>>144330586
>>144330509
>faggots don't know that goku is literally the MC

time to get with it grandpas
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>>144331423
>Eh, not really, only Saiyan and Frieza saga's were like that. The rest have been due to the actual big bad.
Since Dragon Ball was Dragon Ball? No. Krillin jobbed to Blue Shogun so hard that he chickened out for the entire arc. He later went on to get killed by fucking Tambourine. Tien lost to Drum too, after working so hard on mastering a move that he was never able to use. And before Krillin and Piccolo jobbed to Buu, they jobbed to Darbura.
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>>144331648
Ok, prove me wrong faggot. Show me a single canon arc in DBZ or Super beside the Cell Saga where Goku wasnt the one who saved the day. I'll wait while you wiki it
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>>144331785
Does Monaka defeating Hit count?
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>>144331848
No, because Hit threw the match on purpose
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>>144331785
>Show me a single canon arc in DBZ
Saiyan arc
Goku gets his shit pushed in by Great Ape Vegeta and has to be saved by Gohan,Kuririn and Yajirobe. Read the manga retard
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>>144331888
But Goku had already lost. Even if Hit threw the match, Universe 7 would have lost without Monaka.
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>>144331888
While true, Goku threw the fight thinking Monaka would squash Hit. Technically, nobody gets the win.
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>>144331942
Goku threw the match also.
>>144331972
Correct. No one saved the day because it was a wash
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>>144331740
>MC NEEDS TO BEAT EVERY BADDY
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>>144331740
Toriyama tried to make Gohan the MC, but everyone fucking hated it.
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>>144331785

Vegeta.
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>>144331785
>>144331908
>No reply

>>144332056
Quit bitching
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>>144332134
>The "muh Goku" myth.
>"I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part."
source : http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-2-akira-toriyama-super-interview/

Toriyama changed his mind. It's that simple.
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>>144332040
Goku would have lost anyway. He said so himself. He completely exhausted himself with the SSB + Kaioken. Regardless of how Monaka won, he still won and U7 would have lost without him.
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>>144332194
>Quit bitching
its wrong for me to want someone other than Goku to save the day?
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>>144332315
Goku look so happy :)
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>>144332134
Toriyama gave up on that idea when he realized Gohan would suck as a MC.
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>>144332299
I find it interesting how in the manga it was pretty much said that Vegeta would have done well against Hit if he didn't try and be a nice guy in his previous fight. Yet the anime said nothing of the sort and just shit on him.
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>>144332315
>its wrong for me to want someone other than Goku to save the day?
its wrong for you to act like that has never happened in the series
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>>144329725
See >>144330509
Zamasu is literally in Goku's body. It's so obvious it's not even funny. Literally anybody could figure that shit out. It's not even a big surprise, nor will it be a big twist.
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>>144332532
you mean that one time he didn't when he told Gohan to go full power?

that one time?
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>>144332532
That's Goku.
Look at that panel, it's fucking Goku.
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>>144332510
Well, the truth is he actually wouldn't have done well. Hit was presented as someone who was simply way out of their league. Even after Goku figured out the trick to beating his time skip ability, Hit just powered up. Goku had to go all out to the point where he was still feeling the effects days later and even that wasn't enough.
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>>144332299
Not if they had recruited U7 Hit. Beerus was lazy as fuck and just had Goku recruit the entire team. While Vados actually seduc... scouted legitimately strong warriors.
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>>144332510

How in the fuck would him being a nice guy in the previous fight change anything at all?
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>>144332605
>that one time?
You're this retard >>144331785 huh?
How many times do you need to BTFO? The first arc of the series is Oolong saving the world from Pilaf.
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>>144332789
Meant to reply >>144332596
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>>144332532

>Goku literally in the fucking image

Hahahaha
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>>144332785
Read the chapter.
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>>144332842

Oh, so they never actually said that and you're just trolling. Got it.
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>>144332785

In the manga powering up to blue takes a lot of energy, the fact he did it twice in a row made him far weaker than if he only did it once.
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>>144332605
>>144332830
>being this retarded
DBS threads are filled with retards
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>>144332776
That's a hypothetical scenario. In the real one, they had Monaka. And if Goku had been their last member instead of Monaka, they would have lost. Monaka was also the one who defeated the slime monster. Granted, it wouldn't have been fast enough to save Vegeta without Goku, but Monaka landed the killing blow on the main body.
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>>144332892
I'm not gonna spoonfeed you anon.
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>>144332789
no I'm not, Goku has beaten all the main baddies except Cell. but his words helped GOhan defeat cell
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>>144332906

Ohh right, he did. Goku was able to take more hits, after all.

>>144332951

Whatever, kike.
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>>144330397
I prefer this hairstyle over the one he currently has
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Would you rather take a hard kick to the face from Goku, or eat a raw slice of Dodoria's ass?
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>>144333022
Well either way your retarded. Read the manga
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>>144333120
I have fucktard main villains only goku.
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>>144333120
you're*
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>>144333167
Clearly you haven't dumbass
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>>144333214
do tell which main villain hasn't Goku beaten?
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>>144333167

Didn't Trunks kill Freeza? Like, he's the one who actually got the killing blow.
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>>144333249
Vegeta
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>>144333249
Vegeta
Frieza
Cell
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>>144333292

He provided the spirit bomb, and not only that, but mind-told his son to look at the moon.

So technically Gohan beat him as an ape, but that was only when Goku told him what to do. Kinda like with Cell, even.
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>>144333323
>>144333292
>>144333272
>Beat
>not killed
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>>144329725
>Goku dies of heart virus before fighting androids
>Is granted his body in the afterlife
>Does his training shit with North Kai etc encounters Zamasu at some point and the potara earings
>Zamasu promises him that if they potra fuse he can come back to life and go back to save Earth through the power of being a supreme kai (though Zamasu's real intentions are just to steal his power and wipe out life and human life all together as he secretly hates what he considers the "lower beings" basically he's the Hitler of the supreme kais.
>Goku potara fuses with him and becomes Black Goku not knowing Zamasu's real personality and intentions.
>Zamasu being the more powerful one (as Goku at the time didn't even achieve SSJ2) the fusion ends up being more him than Goku + he's a supreme kai.
>Goes to Earth like originally planned but finds the humans actually prospering due to Future Trunks kills androids and decides to wipe them out

It's either this or Zamasu somehow finds Goku's dead body but that idea seems less likely.
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>>144333367
Still didn't beat him.
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Pilaf - Oolong
Red Ribbon Army - Goku
Demon King Piccolo - Goku
Piccolo - Goku
Vegeta - Gohan
Frieza - Trunks
Cell - Gohan
Buu - Goku
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>>144333437

Technically Gohan didn't beat Vegeta either, then. He was a brainless wild oozaru who still needed guidance from Goku to keep from killing them all.
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>>144333543
>Grasping at straws
Gohan's body crushed Vegeta deal with it. Retard
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>>144333582
so gravity beat Vegeta then.
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>>144333381
Well then Vegeta and Cell. Goku couldn't beat Vegeta by himself, he had to have the help of Kuririn, Gohan and Yajorobi.
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>>144333612
Screw you
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>>144333367
>mind-told his son to look at the moon.

I like how the series just glosses over the fact that goku has psychic powers.
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>>144333746
Ki, son. Ain't gotta explain shit.
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>>144333746

He also read Krillin's memories.
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So when are we getting some fanservice?
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>>144330509
That could easily bite him really hard if he ends up getting a heart virus or disease in Goku's body and has to abandon it.

>>144333423
Is Zamasu the tamest villain of all the main villains? Wanting to exterminate one race seems less evil than wanting to destroy everything or rule over the universe forever.
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>>144333746
He trained with Kami in DB and the Piccolo and Kami have psychic powers.
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>>144333951
we already got best fan service of the arc
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>>144332194
Freezer coming back as a robot cyborg felt more like bullshit filler than goku and piccolo driving cars.

literally the biggest, stupidest ass pull of the series.
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How long till Future Trunks sacrifice himself to mend the timelines?

Fuck that scene where he cries just hit me right in the feels.
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>>144334128
It existed to give a reason for cell being able to survive any injury, otherwise his regeneration ability would have made no sense and been phenomenally weaker.
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>>144334164
Never. He'll have a happy end with Mai and Bulma serving dinner like his dream.
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>>144330695
Well considering he's banging on of the hottest and literally the richest woman on the planet, and is the 2nd strongest earthling, I'd say you've already failed in your wish to see him never succeed.
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>>144333951
It won't be Chichi or anyone else. it will probably just be shitty Bulma. Super only plays on things that characters are known for, and Bulma is the Slut of the group.
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>>144334164
>some actually dying in DB
no Goku will take FTrunks to new namek and bring everyone back to life.
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>>144333085

I wouldn't survive a hard kick to the face from Goku. I don't think any human could.

Choice is obvious. Kick to the face.
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>>144334233
>don't think any human could.
Krillan did in episode 14 or 15
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>>144334164
He will go back to his waifu and have kids. Maybe they can even find a way to resurrect Bulma and the people killed by Black.
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>>144334128
>literally the biggest, stupidest ass pull of the series.
How?
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>>144334201
Best Mom is dead, and Future Mai will soon be BLACKED
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>>144334268
This isn't a sparring kick, goku just caught you murder chi chi, he's not holding back.
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>>144334180
Just having "being strong" could explain him surviving any non-trivial attack. Other than that, I don't know--I mean the (real) androids coming out of stasis or whatever bitchslapped what was probably the strongest or at least tied for strongest character at the time. Who says Cell couldn't have been "designed" to be as strong as the androids but also given the DNA he was?
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In the original time line Trunks found the blueprints of shutting down 17 and 18 and didn't need to become strong to beat them. In the long run this fucked him over and became easy prey for cell unlike the other Trunks we know from super that got strong and easily killed cell so the original time line cell and took the time machine and started the time line game of thrones. The Original time line is like the most fucked time line to date since majin buu ,goku black, and perhaps frieza fucking shit up in that time line no trunks to save it. Christ
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>>144334377
That timeline is more of a disaster than my love life.
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>>144334377
Majin Buu never awoke because gohan wasn't around to feed him his power.
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>>144333951
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>>144334164
What? Why are you talking about mending the timelines? Your shit makes no sense, also they wont kill any character in DB except the villains. They dont have the dragon BALLS to do it.
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>>144334431
>Majin Buu never awoke because gohan wasn't around to feed him his power.
Buu would still come but it will take a long time gathering energy necessary. Sooner or later buu would come but it will lake a lot longer.
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With Trunks coming back to talk about how fucked up his timeline was after the cell saga I hope we see the repercussions of destroying Majin Buu some time in the future of DBS.
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>>144334502
Babidi only came to Earth to gather energy you imbecile.
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>>144334502
well in ftrunks timeline everyone on the planet is pretty much dead. So no I don't think there is enough life energy on earth to make Majin Buu awaken.
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>>144334544
This, he would come, but he'd be nowhere near earth.
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>>144334467
Probably cause they talked about the consequences of time traveling in one chapter
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man zamasu is fucking hot
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>>144335288
queer
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>>144335288
he's a green version of kaioshin
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>>144330509
>Vegeta and F. Trunks will fail to stop Black and Goku will defeat him.

I'm already salty about Gohan (and Gotenks) dicking around instead of killing Buu after he murdered their families. At least let Trunks avenge his mother, assuming she's not going to come back to life magically like Mai.
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I'm sure this is a generic question that gets asked hundreds of times but what's the best way to watch DB/DBZ in 2016?
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>>144335545
By bouncing on Piccolo's dick.
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>>144335545
best way? the easiest way go watch DB ep 1 watch all of that, go to Z ep1 watch all of that and then go watch Super ep 1 and all of that
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>>144335589
You know what I mean, there's like three different revisions of the original DBZ hat people argue over regarding the quality of each and then there's Kai and I don't know which is best.
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>>144335637
The original broadcast version.
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>>144335545
DB is the same as it always was, But watch Dragonball Kai instead of Z.
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>>144335637
i'd just go watch the original 90's dub of Z. Kai is alright but it's incomplete and imo some of the voice changes are for the worse.
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>>144332920
Gohan would have died to Cell if Goku hadn't helped him, though.
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>>144335545
Fucking hell why are they shitting so much on Goku's character

How is this the same guy who stopped Gohan from going to help Tien against Cell? They want comedy right, the real comedy are the fans that like this shit
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>>144329725
Holy fuck, Adult Gohan's nip voice is so fucking bad. Why do people make such a big deal about Goku's voice when Gohan sounds like a literal fucking child?
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>>144335752
"Dumb" humor to appeal to little kids.
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Considering F-Trunks got Berus and Whis' interest, what is the odd of him joining in the multi-universe tournament?
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>>144335708
Stop being retarded, you could use the same logic for Goku wins.
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>>144335576
>implying Namekians have dicks
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>>144332296
This isn't even limited to DB, there's an even much older example, like when Nagai tried changing MCs, due to Tetsuya being Great Mazinger's pilot, and people fucking hated it.

Changing MCs simply doesn't work. People just hate that. For more recent examples look at Gundam SEED or UQ Holder.
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>>144335965
>For more recent examples look at Gundam SEED
>recent
>RECENT
Seed isn't recent.
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>>144335812
Fair enough.
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>>144336003
It's more recent than DB or Mazinger!
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>>144335965
Works pretty well for JJBA
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>>144336034
Not as recent as my phat cock plundering your tight boipucci

Bitch
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>>144336034
not saying much. you could very well blame the character's not changing on Fukuda's shitty directing just like you could with Toriyama.
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>>144336069
JoJo is an exception.
There are even shounen manga in which the MC doesn't defeat every single foe, like in Saint Seiya.
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For somebody who is unfamilar with Super, can somebody tell me why Mai is the same age as Trunks?
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>>144336200
Shipping.
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>>144336200
Shenlong turned the Pilaf gang into kids.
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>>144336298
Why?
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>>144336369
because
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>>144336369
They wished to become young again, but didn't specify how young they wanted to become.
They were probably turned into babies before the androids showed up.
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>>144331785
Garlic Jr (lol), Saiyan Saga, and you could count the Android Saga since Goku was either recovering or training the whole time and Vegeta is the only one who actually killed an android.
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Off topic post but does anyone know if they released the Kanzenban version of the Dragon Ball Manga in English speaking countries?
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>>144333423
The fact that Black seems to never meet Goku before this arc invalidate it
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Mark my words, Gohan from an alternate dimension is Black.

Gohan will kill Black and save Goku and Vegeta. He'll use things he's learned to outsmart Black.
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>Mother Dead
>Waifu presumably dead
>Entire planet destroyed
>Go back to the past
>Everyones pretty much living a carefree life
>Your master gets to live life on easy mode and isn't missing an arm
>Knows what happiness is.

Trucks...had a hard life.

If only his face didn't look like it was animated by retards.
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>>144338489
wat
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I always wonder what if Chichi got BLACKED in front of Goku, would he get mad and goes all out from start like Vegeta or Goku would be Goku and still play around before finishing Black like Gohan and Gotenks are when Chichi got BUUED
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>>144338563
dbz need not make sense
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>>144335767
It's the same voice actor
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>>144329725
Meh, shit filler episode. Not even an action scene for Gohan
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>>144336132
I'll always appreciate Saint Seiya as a series where they did the team of heroes aspect right.
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>>144333423
>basically shitler

>>>/pol/
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>>144338489
If that's true then why doesn't this Gohan know who Goku is?
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>>144339139
He might have a better reason for killing humans but what other motive could have have for wiping them out? The human race isn't comprised of nothing but saints.

Plus, they break universal law by time traveling.
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>>144339042
>Meh, shit filler episode

>Gohan fans fucked
>Pan fans fucked
>Videl fans fucked
>Kid Trunks cucked harder than ever
>Turtleneck sweater Mai

Seemed like a good episode to me
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>>144339042
Gohan's "return" will probably happen during the tournament itself.
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>>144339265
>Gohan's "return" will probably happen
Kekking out loud.
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>>144333634
Not the same
Vegeta had been beaten into submission, the fight was over, and he was allowed to leave.
Trunks saw his odds were low and ran.
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>>144339265
>Gohan ever returning
KEK. Stop doing this to yourself Gohanfags. You guys are such a masochism
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>>144332296
no, people turned against Gohan once they realized that Toriyama was turning him into something that never resembled the guy who beat Cell. Gohan was the most popular character exiting Cell saga, that time skip fucked up everything.
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>>144339265
Top fucking kek, Gohanfags sure love to suffer.
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>>144339323
>Implying I'm one.
I don't even believe they can redeem Gohan at this point; (because face it, even his Female Counterpart Chibiusa is actually more competent), I'm just stating that IF they do pull the trigger on him improving; it's likely going to be a reveal on the tournament.
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>>144339323
>>144339381
Well, we've seen Satoshi crack the finals this year, it's not impossible.
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This episode is literally the last bit of relevance Gohan will have in the series.

He's fucking benched, just accept it
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>>144339459
>Chibiusa
>competent
pick one.
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>>144335365
But with a perfect nose and [spoiler/]more evil
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>>144338724
His name is fucking Goten. Gotenks is the fusion name with Trunks bitch
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>>144340263
Bitch, he may as well not even exist with how Super is playing out.
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I'm a hardcore Gohan fag and this episode made me want to commit onigiri, hope is truly lost
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>>144335545
Dragonbox is the only way to watch DBZ

sub with jap OST or dub with jap OST
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>>144335589
>not watching Kai to cut out all the filler
you've lost your mind son.
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>>144343184
filler only sucks when you have to watch it week after week and can't binge
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>>144343199
but you're showing the way to a novice that has his plate full already of Dragon Ball content.
The best would be to stick to the source material and keep it tight.
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>>144329725
Gohan has became such a weak bitch.
Again an useless shitty episode. 20 min wasted on Bitch Gohan, Videl and Pan.
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>>144344633
Good thing you're not part of the main target for this show. Now go away.
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>>144345879
I'm not since 2000.
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>>144345916
Good.
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>>144345879
Who's the main target ?
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>>144332315
>das it mane
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>>144344633
I think it's okay that gohan doesn't fight or train anymore. but that doesn't excuse his uselessness. bulma can't fight for shit and she is more relevant than the main character's son.
at least let him do some cool science shit that helps his family and friends at least somewhat.
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>>144330509
More than likely he takes over Goku's body or adopts his form after fighting Goku. None of this would have taken place had Trunks not come back so Black being created is a self fulfilling proficy that makes no sense because Goku would have been dead already in F. Trunk's timeline.
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>>144344633
But it's not useless. After meeting gohan, FT finally realizes what he's fighting for, besides getting closure that gohan is happy living the life that he couldn't have in FT's timeline. It adds motivation and character to FT in preparation to fight Black.
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>>144346271
And the fight against Black will end in 5 min just as always.
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>>144346247
I'm inclined to say they're the same person too. Zamasu being the gifted apprentice stray away from conventional kaioshin approach and take the matter into his own hand. So, the big mystery now is how zamasu can adopt goku's body?
Or maybe Goku coming to U10 in the present timeline would be the catalyst of Black.
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>>144335637
Kai is shit. Get that out of the way first. Watch one of the original dubs.
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>>144346473
Kai >>>>>> original

Less filler
Better visuals
Script is true to the original
Better acting
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>>144339527
Second most powerful senshi after her mom isn't incompetent, anime-only fag
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>>144329725

the 14th is out
http://marumaru.in/b/mangaup/150572
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> Gohanfags complain that he's not as strong as he used to be

> Trunks is happy for Gohan, and if anything jealous

Why can't Gohanfags be more like Trunks?
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>>144346987
SEE this!
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Major Dragon Ball arcs:
-Angry manlet wants power using the Dragon Balls
-Red Ribbon Army
-An ancient evil awakens

Major Dragon Ball Z arcs:
-Angry manlet wants power using the Dragon Balls
-Red Ribbon Army
-An ancient evil awakens


Toriyama is a hack
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>>144346473
Kai uncut is the best version of Dragon Ball Z period.
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Zamasu is just an evil Tapion.
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>>144334310

>Freezer survives a giant ball of fuck
>Freeza survives being cut in half
>Freezy Pop survives being blasted by a super saiyan while cut in half
>somehow survives the destruction of a fucking planet after all this

They had to pull asspulls like this to make the next arc work, like putting bulma and vegeta together because muh trunks
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>>144335545
Do not watch the version with the shitty score with the trumpets and incredibly repetitive music.
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>>144329725
The only good parts are the flashbacks.
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Latest manga chapter is out
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Tights is on Earth in the manga
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>>144349224
That archive left out a number of pages didn't it?
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>>144349224
Aww

>>144349350
Seems like it
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>>144349350

a few end pages
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>>144349268
Isn't Tights like 50 by now?

Not bad...
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Is it possible to like the Androids/Cell saga without being a Gohanfag?
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>>144339315
Vegeta fled from Ginyu.

Vegeta tried to flee from Freeza and Broly too.
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>>144349581
> Broly
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>Bra is not canon anymore, deal with it
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>>144349415
And Bulma's mom is like in her 60s, THAT is not bad
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>>144350051
What is she saying? I don't speak moonrune
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>>144350051
> asuming the teacher knows whether Bra will be born in the future

That pic doesn't prove anything, nice try.
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>>144350144
Soo...Mrs Briefs had Tights when she was 10?

What?
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>>144350144
>>144350236
According to the wiki she's 72

I think we now know where Tights and Bulma got their eternal youth from
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>>144350193
She's explaining how time travel works for some reason. One is a timeline where Bulma lives and meets Vegeta, making Trunks

Another is if Bulma dies and the entire timeline changes radically
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>>144350413

>implying Dr Briefs didn't genetically engineer his children to have beneficial traits, like aging well
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>>144350051
But I want this to happen.
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>>144349224
How daring! perfect big sister or wife material
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>>144330509
Well, there must be some twist, otherwise how come he uses Goku's body, and that body (especially the face) is a little bit different.
I just hope it won't be some kind of Ginyu technick or something.
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>>144329725
Watching Kid Trunks trying to impress Mai was kind of sad. She still has the mind of a grown woman, so no doubt he came off as immature and annoying. I hope he gets some sort of major development this arc.

That goes for Goten too, but something tells me he's not going to appear for the rest of this arc. He literally has no reason to.
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Nice filler episode

No fighting, no adventure, just showing again what has become of Gohan.

Holy shit, we get it now that he is not into fighting and rather pursue his academical career.

Stop with this shitty filler episodes.
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>>144350867
Post link on whole chapter, damn.
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>>144351139
he has been replaced the moment future trunks came back kid trunks is fucked.
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>>144351139
>That goes for Goten too, but something tells me he's not going to appear for the rest of this arc. He literally has no reason to.
He'll show up, he's in the intro next to kid Trunks and the Pilaf gang.
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>>144335965
> Gundam SEED

The 2nd one was shit regardless.

> UQ Holder
What? I haven't read the last few chapters, did they try to change Clone Negi out as the MC?
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>>144351304
http://imgur.com/a/ka4e3

Seems incomplete or had a really random ending
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>>144351139
>but something tells me he's not going to appear for the rest of this arc

Pretty much. If he does appear, it will probably be to fuse with Trunks. That is literally his entire purpose in this series. He barely has a personality of his own, this is even more apparent is Super.
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>>144351484
>http://imgur.com/a/ka4e3
It seems to me, or Toyotarō skipped Future Bulma's death?
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>>144351817
She's killed off panel, which is why Trunks is crying to Mai
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>>144351856
This was what I meant.
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>>144351856
>>144352006
Still seems to miss some scenes in the present
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>>144330509

The Older Kai is Black Goku, not Zamasu.
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Black Goku isn't a Kai at all. His speech to Trunks indicates that he was doing what the gods are too afraid to do
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Say what is actually "more" Canon Manga or Anime?

In the Manga there was no SSB 10xKajo vs Zerg Evolution bullshit but just straight up SSB > Timeskip and that Vegeta would've easily won as well if he conserved his transformation instead of showing it off to Saiyan. (Because for some reason going Blue a second time in a short period of time only leaves you with 10% of the original power).
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>>144352468
Well, according to the preview, Zamasu is technically not a god yet. He's a soon-to-be Kaioshin, which means he's not one yet.
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>>144352673
Is Toriyama involved in the manga at all? All of the pics people post here are in Korean.
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>>144352758
I mean check Mangastream for Super. The whole fight with Hit was literally just one chapter.

And overall the tournament fights went down a bit differently, but more interesting imo.
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>>144352673
> what is actually "more" Canon Manga or Anime?

Toriyama gives both Toei and Toyble story drafts that they both can expand on. So there's no real way of knowing which is more canon.

Ritual-less SSG was a Toyble addition, while SSB Kaioken was a Toei addition. But in the end, the basic premise is the same and that's all that matters.

Toriyama does review Toyble's manga chapters before release...but that's after it's done. He just gives the okay...and in fact he spoke in an interview that he wants Toyble to take more liberties with his drafts.
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>>144352920
I like Toyble more, like the Hit fight was a bit more about tactics (Hiding his leg movements, etc) instead of boiling down to "Goku sees the future 1 minute ahead of time" after 1upping each other for 1 episode.
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>>144353048
Goku wasn't seeing the future. He was using his fighting experience to guess how Hit would move when approached like he was approaching. He was pretty much baiting him and then countering.
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>>144349224
Link?
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>>144353048
I like the tactics better yes. But it's a shame SSB Kaioken didn't make it to the manga.

Also, I preferred Vegeta v Magetta in the anime. The manga version was too quick, with not much fighting...and the name-calling weakness in the manga seemed to be borrowed by Janemba.
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>>144352758
Yes he's just as involved with the manga as he is with the anime.
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>>144353147
Hit was falling for it pretty much just because he had never fought anyone face to face before. Any opponent he fought wouldn't have survived past the first time he stopped time.

The fact that an outside observer was able to see the ability and gauge his movements to guess where he would go to during the time skip really messed with him.
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>>144333951
>ox king let his 12 year old daughter walk around dressed like that
what in the fuck
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>>144353048
Pretty much all the fights in the manga are better except for Frost vs Piccolo.
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>>144353240
Then I'd say they're both as canon. They're just different interpretations of Toriyama's story.
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>>144333951
>Chi Chi
>fanservice

Those things don't go together. Say what you want about her, but she isn't a loose slut like Bulma.
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>>144351139
I just realized Mai is like Tom Hawks in Big but in reverse.
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>>144353476
It's basically this, yes
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>>144351139
>She still has the mind of a grown woman,

Mai never ever had the mind of a grown woman. Maybe Future Mai, but kid Mai was still just a follower of Pilaf. She has no idea what being a grown up adult means.
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>>144353654
I never thought of it that way...
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>>144350051
they're learnign about timlines
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>>144351139
>>144351317
He'll grow onto her. They already had the handholding at the beginning of the arc. Mai is just a little starstruck by his future self is all. Chances are there won't be anything really big happening between them in this arc though unlike in BoG. It's probably a set up until they are older and get together then in a paralel to their future selves.
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I don't understand why Gohan doesn't train because Frieza killed his damn family and the entire planet in one blow.

Beerus and Whis are basically neutral and Goku and Vegeta aren't unbeatable. He could provide some help by easily becoming SSB but for some reason he's still a fuccboi.

I guess Toriyama (and Toei) still cares.
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>>144354362
Screen time.

That's what you get for introducing a lot of characters but not having the balls to kill them off.
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>>144354362
>people actually thought this wasn't a Toei only line. kek
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>>144333423

Why would he need to fuse with Goku at all? He doesn't need his body to go to the mortal world (As evidenced by Supreme Kai), and based on the fact that he goes toe to toe with SSJ Goku next episode, he doesn't need his strength.
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>>144353866
>Goten in the opening

I still wonder why
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>>144350051
Perfect.
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>>144349268
Is Tights a christmast cake?
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>>144333423
If Future Goku and Future Zamasu fused into Black...then why does Black have one earring instead of two?
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>>144354494
At least Trunks has actual meaningful deaths in his timeline.

But what truly makes me sick is that Toriyama can't bring in any grunts/side-villains to flesh out the other characters like Tien and Piccolo. The movies execute it in a a subpar but satisfying way.

Shit there could be evil Kais so that there could be be some actual development.
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>>144354856
Well, she is older than Bulma
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>>144354883
I agree that if there were more enemies, then maybe the jobbers could actually win some fights every now and then. I don't remember much about the movies, but aside from that one guy from Bojak's crew, didn't Goku's friends usually also job to the henchmen in the movies? I seem to remember Cooler's henchmen beating up Piccolo and I'm certain that the Bojak movie was just a beatdown until Gohan turned SS2 and killed them all. I don't remember the Turles movie at all. But most of them didn't have henchmen, did they?
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14th chapter - only 21 page, thou it's early chapter
https://imgur.com/a/ka4e3#KbKTbDO
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>>144354639
Fusing with Trunks to protect the Pilaf gang, but the fight takes too long and they defuse again, causing Trunks alone to take a hit meant for Mai and win her affection that way.
How likely?
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>>144355209
WHY ARE THEY SO CUTE?!
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>>144355311
>Future Trunks crying

I feel so bad for him. Dude can't catch a break.
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>>144355311
Did he not cry to Mai in the anime?
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>>144355311
wake me up inside

Why does Korea always get the chapters early?
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>>144355689
Kim Jong Un wants his Dragon Ball chapters earlier than anyone else
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>>144354883
>implying Goku won't just instant transmission to New Namek when they get to the future and revive everyone
Timepatrolfags btfo.
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Man, I really loved this episode.

Gohanfags aside, my hearto.
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>>144354362
Because for this show Vegeta and Goku are the only ones that are allowed to have relevant screen time. Gohan, Trunks and Goten are fancy pets.
>>144355138
Goku's friend usually killed some, except for the strong ones. For example in Cooler's return Piccolo killed two of Cooler's men.
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>>144355887
Literally the only thing I don't like about new Gohan is his fashion/hairstyle combo.Sweater Vest and glasses don't go well with his slicked back Vegeta-esque hair. I prefer his RoF style.
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>>144355825
You mean Cyborg 19, right?
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>>144356010
I like the RoF look more too. The "End of Z" look is a nice middle ground. I like all the Huge Nerd Gohan looks though.
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>>144356010
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>>144354639
he'll come in a save the day, just you watch. ;__;
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>>144356010
>>144356191
I hate his look in Super. Give me the RpF's design dammit.
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>>144329725
Didn't the Z fighters already know this? Or are they just cluing in a new generation of DB watchers?
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>>144355138
Yeah in the movies Piccolo, Trunks, and Gohan are the only ones that doesn't job miserably.

In Tree of Might, Goku defeated most of them.
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>>144351023
>That broken right hand.
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>>144355311
>no way I could have...
>Ugh..
>Eww...
/by google
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>That moment when you realize Arale is just android Bulma with glasses
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>>144355225
It's plausible. But maybe he's just not in the plot in order to prevent Trunks from being able to rely on fusion in the first place when shit hits the fan and his waifu is put in danger.
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>>144329725
SUPER manga here
>>144355839
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>>144356784
>People haven't read Dr. Slump before
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>>144355138
Usually in the movies that have henchmen, one or two of them get beaten by Piccolo/Gohan. At least in the early movies. But for the most part, Goku comes in and curbstomps them. Then proceeds to have his ass kicked by the main villain, only to be saved by some plot device.

Better that Vegeta's track record in the movies. Every single movie he's been in, he did nothing but job after putting up a small fight. It happened in Cooler, Broly, Bojack, Fusion Reborn and the one with Tapion.
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>>144357052
I love how many facial expressions were on that green guy in this little gif
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>>144330924
we are not even in the second part
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>>144356670
If I remember correctly Tien did great until Trunks appeared.
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>>144357046
I know Arale just had a tiny cameo but I wouldn't mind a filler story with her again. She's fucking adorable.
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>>144355311
That F Mai. As soon as she hears the news. she doesn't say anything and just hugs him

of course. that just makes what happens after even more sad for F Trunks
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>>144356517
I don't remember Trunks mentioning he was trained by Gohan.
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>>144352758

Because the gooks are being quick with the scans, genius. The manga is drawn by Toyotaro but still written and supervised by Tori.
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>>144356784
So Lucca from Chrono Trigger?
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So, is Trunks actually going to become a relevant fighter this arc? Do you think he'll turn SSB or just sit on the sidelines?
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>>144355311
When will his suffering stop /a/?
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>>144357963
Never.
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>>144356798
<<back
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>>144357825
We know Vegeta trains him next episode.
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side plot: piccolo and krillin keep doing yard work and get insanely strong because they're constantly "training"
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>>144357963
only in his imagination... but never in reality
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>>144355311
Why is the Manga alaways better than the Anime? Dammit
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>>144357825
I really hope Vegeta or Trunks beats Black. If I see yet another Goku win I will absolutely lose it.
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>>144357963
Black is going to find Gohan

He's going to find Gohan and kill him slowly.

He's going to make Trunks watch, unable to do a thing.

He'll tell Trunks Gohan's a failure, he even makes a disappointing corpse.

Then he'll tell Trunks Mai is still alive. But now she wishes she wasn't.
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>>144358295
Why are they using shovels? Surely they can use their bare hands to instantly fill those craters? Do they really think this is training?
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>>144357052
Well he beat the little black boy android in Super 13, saved Goku in Meta Cooler TWICE, developed in the Broly movie, and saved Goku again in Fusion Reborn with Gogeta.

Toei hates him but he's not entirely useless.
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>>144358356
If Vegeta can get Trunks trained up and ready to go and Goku STILL kills Black, I'm dropping the fucking show.
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>>144358385
Its just one more way of emasculating these characters.
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>>144357825
>just sit on the sidelines
The usual.
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>>144357052
vegeta jobs to fucking everything
post-namek, all non-goku characters were yamcha tier
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Would you a baby Pan /a/?
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>>144358431
>Post yfw Goku gets BLACKED instead
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>>144358514
No, that's just fucking gross anon.
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>>144358514
There are a lot of reasons why it would be very unwise to try
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>>144358514
You'd better believe it.
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>>144358514
Nobody on /a/ could even if they wanted to
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>>144358503
Man Goku lost all his fights after beating Frieza until Yakon and then Kid Buu thanks to best boy Vegeta. There wasn't that many fodder villains anyway.
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>>144358295
>>144358385
Piccolo actually thinks this, the who said his pupil isn't a fighter can't realize he became Bulma's maid.
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Vegeta and his family should really just be the main focus of the show. Goku and his entire family are written to be insufferable idiots. Goten may as well not even exist. Gohan is done. Chichi is constantly written as the bitch we saw in early Z, and Goku is a fucking jackass.
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The song that played while Gohan and Trunks were eating ice cream reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PmUrrAkYfg
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>>144358666
>Chi-chi's house assistant
>Gohan's godfather
>Pan's babysitter
>Bulma's Maid
He used to rule the world...
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>>144357963
Remember when he saved the day?
Remember when war was over and peace would return?

wasn't that a nice anniversary until Black showed up
>>
Chi Chi is a cancer. It was her dream for Gohan to become a scholar, not his.
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>>144339042
>finally some character development since the beggining of super
>the animation was okay
>the only triggering thing being recolored kaioshin
>a filler episode

kill urself xd
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>>144358559
I want this so fucking badly now.
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>>144358559
>They use a Goku to kill Goku
Pottery.
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> Bulma died off-screen, and slightly earlier in the manga

> "The manga version is better!"
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>>144358796
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>>144358800
Gohan never liked to fight. He's definitely living his dream life
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>>144358385
Shovels are more efficient than hands.

Especially if those hands weilding them are of Piccolo's and Krillin's
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>>144358385
it's funny because piccolo moved pyramids with his mind in the past
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>>144358983
I wonder if Gohan will ever use what he's learned as a scholar to help the fighters. He could at least try growing senzu beans for them or something.
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>>144359132
"Scholar" is basically just a word for "dude who's very smart". Don't expect him to do anything.
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Who's the best grandfather: Goku, Mr Satan, or Piccolo?
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God wtf
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>>144359240
Piccolo is both best dad and best grandad. He pretty much replaced Goku in everything that doesn't have to do with fighting. Practically raised Gohan, is Chi Chi's personal bitch and knows more about Pan than her own grandparents. The only one he doesn't really interact with is Goten.
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>>144358800
It was also Goku/Piccolo's dream for him to become a fighter...so
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>>144359286
HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAH
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This is the best haircut that adult Gohan ever had
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>>144359560
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>>144358983
His dream is to be an scholar, his wish is to be strong enough to protect his loved ones.
I am thinking during Buu saga Toriyama deep down realized he wouldn't be able to end DB and he didn't want to make a manga about a heroic guy like Gohan, he wanted dump guy like fighting freak Goku.
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>>144359420
Goten really needs his own Piccolo, kid's fucked without one.
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>>144359132
In DBO he goes the other way around. Uses things he learned as a fighter as subject of research. In DBO Gohan releases a book about ki and martial arts that help popularize it with regular people.
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>F.Trunks still hasn't talked with #18 yet
out of all the flawes in DBS this is by far the biggest waste of potential.
I want the sick bantz
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Which couple had the cutest romance prior to getting married?

Goku/ChiChi, Gohan/Videl, Trunks/Mai, or Vegeta/Bulma?
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>>144359689
I think he said something more along the lines of he realized that Gohan's not the kind of guy to constantly train and reach new peaks like Goku. The more he wrote about Gohan going to school and stuff the more he realized that this is the kind of person Gohan is.
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>>144359560
This one is better >>144330397

It's pretty similar but less thin. Gohans best hairstyles always follow this same pattern, both as a kid and as an adult.
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>>144359132
In the backstory for the old MMO that Toriyama wrote, Gohan writes a book that explains ki to normal people and begins a new generation of human fighters.
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>>144359831
Gohan/Videl. they have way more chemistry before they were married than afterwards. And by that I mean they feel like interesting people and not a 1960s sitcom married couple.
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>>144359831
>prior to getting married
Trunks and Mai, howis this even a question? The only other couple who had anything resembling a romantic relationship was Gohan and Videl, and though pretty cute they weren't as cute.
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>>144359719
Maybe Goten will become the new member of the Pilaf gang. That would be pretty hilarious. I just want the poor kid to have something. Nobody really interacts with him aside from his mom and Trunks.
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>>144359831
Gohan/Videl and Trunks/Mai are tied for me.
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>>144359783
trunks was there at the kami lookout when krillin wished the bomb out of her body and she fled
krillin wanted to bang her then so he knows whats up
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Who gets cucked the most: Vegetafags, Gohanfags, or Piccolofags?
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>>144359957
Yet we got the shitty one back

I really dislike this hairstyle
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>>144359783
>noided PTSD rantings and barely contained threats upon life
>bants
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Black is Goten. It's how he turns out with no father figure in his life.
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I miss when Krillin was an active member of the z team.

Buu saga made him irrelevant, even though he started off in the thick of things
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>>144359783
Honestly I want more interactions with 18 and the other women in general.
18:"Sorry about the...trying to kill your husband thing"
Chi-chi:"That's fine. That Sorta thing happens all th' time"
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>>144360177
Piccolo and Gohan are pretty content with their lives. I don't know why people are mad about that. Vegeta on the other hand never catches a break.
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>>144360292
The Saiyan saga is what made him relevant period, Tien and Yamcha did much more than Krillin did in the early days.
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>>144359831
Trunks/Mai
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>>144359892
>Gohan's not the kind of guy to constantly train and reach new peaks
This solved that problem >>144354362
And he never said why, that's why I think he didn't want to write a manga about a heroic dude.
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>>144359159
> Don't expect "scholar" Gohan to do anything

Except, you know, write "Groundbreaking Science".

Teaching the whole world about ki, and ushering a new era of humanity.

But yea, if Gohan doesn't fight like Goku and Vegeta do, he's pointless right?
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>>144360623
Non-canon.
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Why has Bulma always treated Gohan a little differently than she treats everyone else? She's always been strangely nice to him both as a kid and a young adult, while being somewhat bitchy with everyone else.
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>>144359719
Every kid should have their own Piccolo.
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>>144360683
> DBO, written by Toriyama
> "non-canon"
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>>144360726
I couldn't agree more.
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>>144360684
Because he's very emotional?
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>>144360684
Probably because he's a nice kid and not a retard like Goku
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>>144360177
Realistically, Vegetafags, since Vegeta is the only one of those who has any chance at having relevance at this point but it keeps slipping through his fingers. Gohanfags are the most vocal, for some reason. Piccolofags don't seem too upset. They probably already accepted long ago that Piccolo will never win an important fight again. But at least he still looks cool. I would think that maybe he could at least help train Pan now, but I think Pan might be able to kick his ass even as a baby.
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>>144360684
It's implied Gohan and Bulma fucked on the reg off-screen on Namek
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>>144338514
meanwhile. him being there gives Kid Trunks his own troubles
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>>144360683
Toriyama had creative control over DBO, and Toriyama/Shueisha provided a lot of input into Dragon Ball Online's story and timeline.

Gohan writing "Groundbreaking Science" is canon.
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>>144358356
Goku victories:
>Frieza
>Botamo

Vegeta victories:
>Frieza
>Frost
>Magetta
>Cabba

Vegeta has won more fights than Goku in Super. A common complaint in Super is that it's the "Goku and Vegeta Show" when neither of them has yet to score a big win.
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>>144360964
Freiza was handed to Vegeta on a silver platter.
The rest were meaningless fodder.

Vegeta and Trunks have a higher level of emotional investment. Goku just sees Black as another fun strong opponent, a potential friend if you will, like a fucking jackass.
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>>144336689
Anroid 17 killed Gero, so he is as much a hero in that arc as Vegeta by your logic.
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>>144360769
>>144360957
Alright, I get that but will it ever come into play in Super?

If it never is relevant in the series, it's pretty much pointless.
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>>144360683
They never went out of their way to invalidate DBO's lore. It's ambiguous at worst.

The thing is more that Toriyama had that in his mind for the character recently enough than if DBO's backstory and concepts (NOT the events of the game itself) are canon.
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>>144361078
Probably not. It's too far down the line. Like 20 years after the end of DBZ down the line.
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>>144355311
Khhkk khhk khhh
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>>144361199
Yeah, so unless they have a series where they show Gohan doing that and it clearly contributes something, he'll remain useless.
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we need long haired Trunks w/ gains back
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>>144360957
People try to blow Toriyama's involvement out of proportion. He likely got paid to think up some ideas for the game's team to build up and that's it.
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>>144361465
that's pretty wasteful, why wouldn't he take his jacket off first?
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>>144361078
Unless there's a time-skip in DBS
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>>144361610
The same reason /co/'s big green guy doesn't.
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>>144361516
> your headcanon
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>>144361327
>tfw there never will be a series about adult Goten, Trunks and Pan founding their martial arts schools and having their disciples compete in tournaments
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>>144361516
So it's just as canon as Super?
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>>144359831
Well considering that Trunks/Mai aren't married yet they have some time to work with. I doubt the current arc will end with F.Mai and F.Trunk marrying.
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>>144361803
Yes, canon to the game he got paid to do work for.
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Gohan had 3 girls lusting after his cock within the first week of attending high school. Is there a bigger ladies man in the series?
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>>144360948
poor little Trunks.
He tries at least
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>>144360403
>Tien and Yamcha did much more than Krillin did in the early days.
No way, Krillin was Goku's faithful sidekick, he participated in the RR arc, trained with Goku for the tournament arc, and had a good fight with Piccolo Jr. He was clearly Toriyama's favorite human who kept staying relevant somehow.
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>>144361913
Goten
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>>144361803
Basically.

Toriyama was involved with the story and timeline in general, but he's not going to write every little story for every mission in the game or NPC chat.
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>>144361918
Trunks getting cucked by himself is still the most hilarious thing in Super.
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>>144360948
Good. The struggle will help him in the long run.
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>>144361911
Is it bad that he got paid to write a story? What?
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>>144362055
It's kinda weird, considering it shouldn't really BE cucking because it's his future self, who is most likely together with the future self of the girl he fancies.
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>>144361913
>>144360948
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>>144362055
I laughed when even the narrator said it in the last episode recap.
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>>144359831
This >>144355311 is a much better scene than anything Videl/Gohan had in their initial tsundere run.
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>>144362136
Well, he did basically ask him why he didn't bring his own. But like all future Trunks flashbacks, it ended in "because they're dead".
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>>144362062
This.

Maybe he will learn the hard way that pussy affects your power level and disregard all bitches.
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>>144362136
The fact that it still manages to happen despite all of that is fucking golden.
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>>144360948
>>144361918
>>144362055
now we just need this to happen too
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>>144362062
>Good. The struggle will help him in the long run.
indeed. Hope he gets a bit of character developement out of it
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>>144362236
This makes me realize how utterly terrifying it must be to have Beerus hanging around
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>>144362367
F Trunks is a grown ass man, I don't think he'd be jealous if this happened.
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>>144362236
Hey come on now...

>>144362367
Would be hilarious if this was one of the last scenes of the arc.
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>>144362533
I wonder if Beerus has cat breath
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>>144362367
found another one
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>>144362533
I don't think it'd be any more terrifying than having any of the other members of the cast around. Everyone can blow up the planet at this point, what's Beerus going to do that someone else can't?
I suppose you could argue that he's unpredictable and thus more likely to snap and bring it all down, but we've seen the good guys launch attacks that narrowly avoid doing the same.
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>>144362694
The difference is, if Buu went wild on a rampage, we'd at least have Goku and Vegeta to calm him down. If Beerus decides "Fuck this gay earth" there's not much anyone can do to prevent that from happening.
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>>144362533
With all the comedic relief he's been doing with Whis lately, it's easy to forget how fucking scary he can be. Especially since he can still curbstomp the entire cast.
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I hope Goku has minimal involvement in this arc. I want some real growth for Trunks.

Fuck Goku. He's so boring.
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>>144360185

Agreed, it's fucking hideous.The only thing that compares how shitty it looks is his "mystic hairstyle".

Best Gohan hair = pic related.
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>>144362803
Well, he's definitely a cat. One moment, they're doing funny things like jumping into empty boxes and chasing laser pointers and the next they're destroying your belongings just because they feel like it.
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>>144362867
Great taste anon. Best hairstyle, Right there.
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>>144362867
Definitely the best one, glad someone agrees.

Real talk though, it's Cell Games Gohan. He actually looks like Goku's son there.
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>>144363024
>>144363114

This is a close second.
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Somebodypost the leaks
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>>144363214
Yeah, gotta agree with you there. Everything besides those two are just kinda bad in my opinion.
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>>144363228
What leaks are you talking about, the titles of the next episodes or actual leaks? Because they weren't in any threads last night unless I missed something.
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>>144362924
>d the next they're destroying your belongings just because they feel like it.

never underestimate those giant cats of destruction
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>>144363295
I dunno. I liked Saiyan Saga Gohan's wild ponytail.also his regular tail too.
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>>144363535
It was alright, kinda forgot about it though. But I think we can all agree Bowl Cut Gohan was absolute shit, right?
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>>144334867
>consequences
>DBZ
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>>144362367
No nigga no, it needs to be lil' Mai that is jealous.
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>>144363648
People give chi-chi a lot of shit and I usually say she's not so bad. But if there's one thing I don't like about her it's that because of her I had to deal with that dumb haircut for an entire storyline. I can forgive everything else but that's just too much.still love her though.
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>>144363705
Why not both?
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>>144335965
UQ Holder didn't work because Touta is ultimately much less interesting than Negi. It didn't have much to do with changing MCs specifically.
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>>144359783
>Trunks sees 18
>immediately blows her up like before
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>>144363735
Chi Chi does get a lot of undeserved shit. My attitude towards her is if Goku loves her despite her attitude, why should we get upset over it?

Besides end of Dragon Ball Chi Chi is pretty great.
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>>144334164

I never understood the whole going back in time shit

He went back in time to save Goku so the Androids didn't ruin everything

But what does that actually do in the future? everything was exactly the same, everyone was dead
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>>144363735

It was a very mom-thing to do, though. Even though the haircut was horrible, I thought it was cute/funny.

... Chi-Chi's bad hair choices don't end at Gohan anyway. Her grandma hair bun is the worst thing she's ever done.
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>>144363987

>if Goku loves her

goku doesn't love anyone. While Vegeta is burning with rage at what happened to his Future Bulma, watch Goku not even ask how Chi-Chi is doing in the future.
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>>144363987
>trained Goten
>Let Gohan go to the tournament
>Cheers her son on in the competition and punches out the woman who's giving them shit.
>Casually plays cards and wonders if Gotenks' name is Gotenks or Trunhan.
>straight up slaps Buu in the face for "killing" Gohan.
She became so based in that 8 years. Goku dying is the best thing that happened to her. Not to mention the fact that she's cute as a button.
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>>144364104
If this were Dragon Ball he would, he went from naive but caring to a complete fucking retard as the series went on
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>>144364104
Goku sees Black as just another fun sparring partner. What a fucking asshole.
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>>144364126
And they retconned it all away in Super.
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>>144361078

No. The idea that Toriyama is going to let himself be beholden to a failed, decade old MMOs backstory when he has trouble sticking to what is established in the main series is hilarious. We might see some ideas from it incorporated into Super, though, unless he changed his mind on them or came up with something else.
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>>144364104
He didn't ask the first time Trunks showed up either. He probably just assumed "Well if I'm dead and everyone else died then she must be dead too" or he just didn't even give a shit about what's going on in trunks' future.
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>>144364178
People say that Chi-chi ruined them but it turns out Goku being alive was ruining chi-chi. When he's dead she's pretty chill.
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>>144364202

>The idea that Toriyama is going to let himself be beholden to a failed, decade old MMOs backstory when he has trouble sticking to what is established in the main series is hilarious.

Xenoverse, Heroes, and other non-"failed" games already did
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>>144364308

It's probably all the stress of dealing with Goku that's turned her into a bitch again. She can take care of 2 kids just fine, but a month with Goku and she's already started losing her mind.
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>>144364353

>talking about non-canon nonsense

the star wars expanded universe is still a thing, too.
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>>144363926
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>>144364433
What are u even talking about?

DBO was written by Toriyama. Xenoverse, Heroes, etc borrowed his ideas from it.

The Star Wars extended universe wasn't written by George Lucas or Disney last time I checked.

Two very different scenarios, anon
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have Future Trunks go SSJGod and then go back in time. then have someone else go SSJGod. now you have two SSJGods at the same place and time. Now they fuse.
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>>144364599

> Xenoverse, Heroes, etc borrowed his ideas from it.

And just because Xenoverse/Heroes also borrowed from dragon ball movies and GT. Xenoverse and Heroes might treat a decade old mmo with undue reverence, but I highly doubt Toriyama will.

If Toriyama wants to do something that contradicts DBO, he will do it. I guarantee you.
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I don't care if it contradicts End of Z or whatever, I refuse to believe it has been more than 3 years since the Buu saga.

either that or Marron literally has downs syndrome.
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>>144364909
Krillin's kid.
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>>144364909
Pretty much the only thing I wanted from Super was Teen Trunks in the good timeline, but nope.
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What did she mean by this?
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>>144364909
It's explicitly been less than that. I feel like Toriyama has absolutely no desire to age the characters up from where they were at the end of Buu saga so they're stuck in the longest year ever.
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>>144365077

? Goku was the retard. Krillin was a pretty smart kid.
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>>144365125
She's going for the Frankensteiner!
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>>144364909
The characters are not aging because they keep using the character sheets from BoG, except for Bulma for some reason.
Even Gohan regressed to his BoG look after they finished RoF recap arc.

Changing character designs in an anime is more of a hassle than doing so in a manga due to the sheer number of people involved with it.
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>>144365125
These aren't my Saiyaglasses
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>>144365125
I love Videl!
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>>144365130

They've used the dragon balls too much for that. Depending on how you count the wishes, it's been at least two years. I just refuse to believe it's been more than 3, like people have been assuming because "muh end of z"
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Toryiama is a madman
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>>144365187

They did in Z, though. It's always been one of the cool things about DBZ that we pretty much all characters change with the years.
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>>144330509
>>144330586
>>144330634
>>144330924
All of you are fucking retarded. Goku has so far only beaten ONE main antagonist of the THREE arcs that super has had
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>>144365144
He meant she inherited Krillin's growth spurt.
Krillin was the size of a little kid until the time skip before Piccolo Jr tournament where he grew a bit. He was in his mid to late teens at that point

Krillin pretty much has a saiyan adolescente without being a saiyan.

And Marron inherited his manlet genes, even in EoZ she is still short for her age.
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>>144365125

>Shoving her minge in his face on their first meeting

what a slut. I bet the reason she invited future Trunks back for "dinner" is to do the same to him.
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>>144339255
>Pan fans fucked

In what way?
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>>144365307
Because it's based on a manga, the manga did it first and then half the work was done for the animation studio. The process of adapting a source material and creating everything from scratch are very different.
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>>144364718
> If Toriyama wants to do something that contradicts DBO, he will do it.

If he decides to retcon it, sure? Nothing points to him doing so though.

All I'm saying is that AS OF NOW, Gohan will write "Ground-breaking Science". Unless, of course, it's retconned.
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>>144365347

...who? I'm pretty sure he lost to all 3.
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>>144365422

Will he still be buff? Even in EoZ he was.
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>>144359783
He knows Krillin wanted to bang 18.
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>>144339042
>If it has no fights it's filler

>>144339255
But DBS Pan is best Pan.
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>>144360964
> Goku victories: Frieza, Botamo

Goku lost against Freeza. Then his friends healed him by Senzu. Then Whis turned back time.

Goku lost that battle, he just got the final shot. If it wasn't for outside interference, forget it.

Goku ONLY beat Botamo in DBS thus far. And by ring-out only.
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>>144365527
He probably would still be surprised it was reciprocated and they're married with a daughter.
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>>144362367
He'd probably find it cute seeing his waifu with his younger self.
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>>144365484
That was just a different artstyle
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>>144365457
Goku evaporated frieza
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>>144365643

Please give me false hope.
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>>144365592
This, Freeza is at best Goku and Vegeta's shared victory.
If Vegeta didn't have Freeza on his knees Goku wouldn't be able to finish him like that. If Goku didn't finish him like that, the Earth explodes.

It's a victory with more than one winner, kinda like the battle with Vegeta in Saiyan saga. Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe all had a role defeating him yet none of them did enough alone to claim the victory. Remove one of them and their actions and Vegeta wins.
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>>144363535
Shotafag here. Saiyan Saga Gohan is best Gohan.
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>>144365349

The problem isn't her size, though: it's her behavior. She's either born with a birth defect or she isn't anywhere near as old as people are claiming her to be.
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>>144365703
I was rewatching Buu saga recently, god I forgot how Erasa was all over Gohan's dick. I wonder if Toriyama initially (in the first two or three chapters, I mean) didn't know who he would pick between her and Videl.
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>>144365544
>If it has no fights it's filler

Not really but it's easy to point out what wasn't Toriyama and was pure Toei.

Like the movie re-tellings, SS Hercule, Pan episodes, Superhuman Water mini-arc.

For example, purple Vegeta was not at all in the manga. No Toriyama character drafts or illustrations. It's filler.
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>>144365299
Wait whats this.
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>>144360964

Vegeta fags are getting annoying, honestly.

Your boys possibly has had a better run than Goku in Super so far. Shut the fuck up about him "jobbing", or "deserving his chance" when there's the other 99% of the cast who has gotten NOTHING.
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>>144365803

>SS Hercule, Pan episodes, Superhuman Water mini-arc.

The only one of those that is "clearly filler" is the superhuman water arc.
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>>144365805
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>>144365805
Dragon Ball H
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>>144365228
>I just refuse to believe it's been more than 3, like people have been assuming because "muh end of z"
It's not because "muh end of Z" it's because Battle of Gods was explicitly 4 years after the Buu Saga and people are assuming that Super's vague starting date isn't meant to change that. That design for Kuririn's daughter was made for BoGs in the first place.

Although at this point, it seems clear that they're writing Goten, Trunks and her like no time had passed since the Buu Saga - which then clashes with Gohan, who seems to have finished college already while he was only a high school student in the Buu Saga.
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>>144359783
Yeah, that needs to happen.

The only time I ever recall Trunks and 18 hanging out was in Supersonic Warriors 2 when they fight Meta Cooler together in a What If scenario.
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>>144365484
In the interview Toyotaro and Toriyama said EoZ is what they want to match so yeah most likely he will get fit again.
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>>144365934

> it's because Battle of Gods was explicitly 4 years after the Buu Saga and people are assuming that Super's vague starting date isn't meant to change that.
>explicitely

Explicit where? a fucking website before the movie came out?
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>>144365803
But Gohan and Trunks interacting was what helped Trunks get his act together after being a wreck for the past few episodes. It was important for his character arc in this arc.

Toei probably just decided to spend a whole episode on it.
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>>144365999
Checked. Thank you for this.
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>>144365999
EoZ's story was "Everyone but Goku becomes boring." I think that's the only thing that will be consistent.
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>>144366043
True, I can see part of last episode being canon. Or at least the general idea of it.
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Gohan should have took Vegeta's advice.
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>>144365934
>Although at this point, it seems clear that they're writing Goten, Trunks and her like no time had passed since the Buu Saga - which then clashes with Gohan, who seems to have finished college already while he was only a high school student in the Buu Saga.

This is the issue here for me, more than how the exact amount of time that passed or the character designs not being updated.

There's a clear progression of time regarding Gohan's family: he and Videl were newlyweds with Gohan starting his studies, had a daughter in a timeskip, and now Gohan seems to be advancing in his academic career, and Pan's behavior is more similar to an one-year old than when she was introduced.

However, Goten, Trunks and Marron are all frozen in time
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>>144366311
> Gohan taking Vegeta's advice
> from Bulma's trophy-husband
> from a fighting autist that doesn't work
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>>144366311
Why? He doesn't want to otherwise he'd be doing it. Maybe you should get a job, Vegeta.
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I feel like I am the only guy on the planet who likes the dude on the left with the glasses. And it's all the dub's fault. They gave him the most ridiculous nerdlord voice imaginable and some funny lines.

fuck.
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>>144366418
>>144366479

Because he fucking regrets not training when he's curbstomped by Buu/couldn't defeat Dabura.
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do you feel it's too early to show Black's identity /a/ ?
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>>144366560

He's coming for you, anons. Sexually.
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>>144366479
Considering they face planet shattering threats constantly I think Vegeta is in the right here. You can't ask Goku to save your ass forever. I'm definitely not saying he should stop being a scholar, but he should still train from time to time. On another note, I'm genuinely curious about his research. What is Gohan researching, anyway?
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>>144366558
Krillin and Piccolo didn't train either and they got turned to stone. But no one's gonna give THEM shit for not training. During the Buu saga Gohan was still the strongest guy. After this that's no longer his responsibility because he's not the strongest.
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>>144362791
All a nigga need is SSB Fusion so Beerus can be placed on IR for a couple of years. Gogeta is just too strong.
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>>144366614
i just want him fuck their shit up everytime he appears
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>>144366637
>Krillin and Piccolo didn't train either
What? Piccolo still carries around his weighted clothing, he clearly still trains.
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>>144366637

Because they aren't Saiyans. They've been eclipsed since the Android Saga. How will he protect his loved ones if he can't even defend himself?

He hates being saved and feeling useless yet everyone still has to bail his ass out of trouble.
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>>144366623
It just bugs me because Gohan's the only person people won't let retire. Krillin and Piccolo are basically support characters, Yamcha's basically gone, Tenshinhan's just wandering the desert. Even 18 and Buu don't do train or anything. Gohan wants to help out but it's not his DUTY. As he is now, he's strong enough to stop someone android strength at least from fucking shit up. It's not his fault that there's always an eldrich horror that's somehow more powerful than cell that comes to the planet to blow it up.
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>>144366637
>Krillin and Piccolo didn't train either and they got turned to stone.

Gohan can actually make a difference if he fucking trains, unlike Krillin and Piccolo.
This is like asking why no one cares that Yamcha stopped training.
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>>144366614
He is just coming at you, MENACINGLY.
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>>144366734

Is it possible for Buu to become evil again? Like is he's angered enough or had bad experiences again? Would that cause him to regress?
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>>144366637
Gohan was the third strongest. Reminder that Dabura was eating his ass while Vegeta rapes him. He was too weak.
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>>144366727
He can defend himself fine. From normal threats. Beyond the garbage that was the Super ROF arc, Gohan was able to beat all of Freeza's soldiers with little effort. He barely even had to go supersaiyan once to dispell all of them. I think he's strong enough to defend himself.
There's a difference between a man being strong enough to defend himself from a mugger and being able to punch out mike tyson.
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>>144366837

Yet he still regrets not being able to draw out his full strength. His current body couldn't even maintain SSJ. Despite having full mastery over it, even during the 7 years of peace.

I fucking hate Toei.
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>>144366836
Gohan was going toe to toe with Dabura just fine. Did Vegeta even interact with Dabura? I'm going strictly by the manga because I haven't watched Buu saga in forever.
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Future Trunks is probably stronger than Gohan at this point, right?
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>>144367024

Probably, Gohan didn't beat Dabura, didn't he
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>>144367024
With Vegeta's training and a possible power up, Future Trunks is shaping up to be the third most powerful Z-Fighter at the moment.

Or at least that's what I want to happen
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>>144367116
>Probably, Gohan didn't beat Dabura, didn't he
and wtf does that prove exactly at this point in time?
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>>144367181

Well did Gohan have any significant fights after that? I can't remember.
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>>144367181

as time passed Gohan got weaker while Trunks got progressively stronger, what the fuck do you mean
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>>144367181

To be fair, Gohan could go SSJ2 at that point in time, while he wasn't sure he could go SSJ1 against Frieza. I donno how much he's regressed in strength.
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>>144367273
He had his Super Buu fights, but he was Mystic during that fight and he somehow managed to lose that.
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I'm glad Bulma stopped smoking.
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>>144366614
This causes nightmares.
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You can only pick one /a/
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>>144367024
>yaranaika?
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>>144367441
Reminded me when I was a kid and I thought the most teriffying way to die is to get grabbed by someone and they charge a kamehameha with your head between their hands.
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>>144367537
>>144367441
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>>144360964
>>144361041
>>144362823
I don't know if you like to play dumb, but Toei ALWAYS find a way to give the glory to Goku. Whis reversed time just to let Goku kill Frieza, Goku and Piccolo were expelled from the tournament, but only Goku was allowed to return, then the high point of the arc was Goku and Hit's fight. Just imagine who is going to kill Black.
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So when is Mai going to get SAIYANED?
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>>144367506

I can't stand how Note is just basically a Pan who gets to fight.

Just makes it that much more likely to me that Pan is never going to be Goku's succesor and all this hype for baby Pan is just Toei filler like Gohan asking piccolo to train him.
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>>144367599
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>>144365826

those legs
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>>144367668
Never, because she's fucking dead.
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>>144367668
Soon
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>>144329725
Well, Whis did say that things were similar in mirror Universes. That is, those that, when you add them, amount to 13. Namely, 1 and 12, 2 and 11, 3 and 10, 4 and 9, 5 and 8, 6 and 7. The gods of destruction in Universes 6 and 7 are quite similar, so are their servants.

So I'd say, considering that Whis felt that ki familiar, that Black Goku is somehow Zamasu's equivalent from Universe 3, since Zamasu is from Universe 10.
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>>144367668
>>144367765
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>>144367506
Note > brown Note > Chinese Note
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>>144367668
She is going to die and somehow it will be made permanent. This way Future Trunks's tragedy is completed. It makes me hard just to think about him crying over her death again.
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>>144364104
>Goku not even ask how Chi-Chi is doing in the future
Chi Chi is all alone in the future and no one gives a shit. Chi Chi made a big mistake marrying Goku.
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>>144367740
Except that she isn't
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>>144367814
Where's the proof, anon?
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>>144367790
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>>144367765
>>144367790
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>>144332776
Do we even know if there's a Hit in U7 as powerful as U6's Hit?
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>>144367841
Watch episode 50 again, retard.
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>>144367668

She's already preggers. Why do you Trunks gave her his food? She's eating for two.
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>>144367740
They showed her moving at the end of a recent episode, I think 51.
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>>144333501
Androids - Cell
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>>144367673
>I can't stand how Note is just basically a Pan who gets to fight.

In the games, yes, I feel they threw Pan and Bra into oblivion, with all the nonsense they are doing in the game I thought they would release a SSJ Pan and SSJ Bra. That being said we won't be seeing this characters (Beat, Note et al) in the main timeline, since they're just avatars.

>>144367798
>Note > Forte > Viola

Fix'd that for you mate
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>>144365187
C-Can this mean we are getting a new design for Gohan in the next arc? Next arc is the second big arc.
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>>144367919
>That is probably Videl's milk
L-lewd.
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>>144368188
Goddammit man
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>>144368094
Don't get your hopes up.

I want then to do a more clear cut time skip with new character sheets so Goten and Trunks can age a bit. But if they keep the vague passage of time Super had until now, I doubt we'll get new designs for anyone.
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>>144365999
Why does Gohan have a better fashion sense in EoZ than in Super? His clothes, hair and glasses make me want to puke in Super.
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