Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1604

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がんばる
るがんば
ばるがん
んばるが

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アンキしなくちゃ！

Damn.

My kanji, vocab abilities are wat higher than my grammar apparently. I make myself understood pretty easily, but I'm sure I always sound like an idiot, because I always opt for easier (and probably more obtuse) grammatical constructions.

How do you guys make the grammar stick? Is anki good for that sort of thing? Or do you do exercises in a book?

「軌道エレベーターって静止軌道上にある人工衛星と、　地上をつなげたモノだよね。静止軌道って赤道の上空だから、　赤道以外に作ると、斜めになっちゃうんだよ」

Jesus fuck, help. What does this mean?

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>>144251848

>>144252288
nigga i haven't done any studying in like 1.6 years and my grammar has steadily improved for no reason at all

if you have shit grammar you're either braindamaged or you're doing something horribly wrong

>>144252398
>1.6 years
細心な人だね

>>144252346
Oh, I think I get it. Something about it could only connect if it was at the equator, but still if anyone could give an English version of that so I can fully comprehend that would be nice.

>>144252398
I've been in Japan for about 1.5 months, but I'll only be here a year. I want to get to N2 before the end of my time here, and while my vocab, kanji are really high, and I generally dont have too much of an isues expressing myself or having basic conversation, my grammar is teh weakest spot and probably less than N4 lvl. SO naturally working to improve it would be the most benefit for me. But just reading a grammar book seems wasteful, and using grammar anki decks also seems too passive. So I'm wondering if workbooks are the way to go or what?

>>144252346
>>144252522

A space elevator is something that connects the ground with things in geostationary orbit, like man made satellites

Geostationary orbit is above the equator, so if you built the elevator anywhere other than on the equator it would be slanted

Right?

>>144252609
grammar doesn't take effort, grammar takes time

if you want good grammar fast you're edgy

>>144252617
this may be perfect

>>144252346
Is that fuwa fuwa no izumi

>>144252617
Sounds about right but
>静止軌道上
Didn't you forget the 上 here? As in, the satellites are *above* the geostationary orbit?

>>144252703
Ah yeah I guess it would be

>>144252633
>>144252398
So this is the wrong place to come for tips n tricks then. I'm sure if I had ten years to dick around then it would go up nice and steady, but that is insanely inefficient. I guess I'll just pick up some JLPT books and drill them the old fashioned way and use them as much as possible when speaking

>>144252769
I mean if you want advice on how to learn grammar there's plenty here but if you're looking for efficiency advice the only thing people are going to say is "take speed"

>>144252769
No offence but youre fucking stupid lol

>>144252346
too easy
>My semen satellite connects with a space penis.
>Too much semen is used for this, so my penis is deactivated to be tilted.

>>144252821
ok.

I'm in medical school, taking a research year in Japan, I played around with some Japanese for a summer after uni before med school,and have been here for 1.5 months. I'm basically N4 in that time, and most of the studying is done commuting to and from the hospital and the evenings at home. I don't have time to just "guess my way" though shitty VNs to learn grammar well, and just reading the books is too passive to make it stick well. I was wondering if anyone did anything uniquely fast or efficient.

We all use anki, and that is obscenely fast way to build a massive vocabulary and kanji base, so I didn't think it would have been a huge stretch to see if there was something people used for grammar as well. I might try some of the anki decks for that. I really want N2-tier by next May, even if I can't get there, I'd like to get as close as possible.

I'm gonna start the Nihongo Sou Matome for N3 next month as those seem pretty concise.

>>144252825
お前１２歳かよ

>>144253014
You're trying to look for a reality that doesn't exist. Reading a text book on its own won't put the grammar into your head, but have fun wasting your time.

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にほんごの

ＡｎｋｉのＤｅｋｉｒｕ

おにいちゃん

>>144253014
doesnt change the fact that u are dumb af

>>144253014
The thing about grammar is that it's not really something that you can just drill into your head like you can with vocab, grammar is more like a puzzle that you only really get a grasp of through encountering it in the wild and seeing how it all fits together in native material

There is a DoJG deck in anki which is okay, but the best and fastest way to learn grammar really is just through reading as much native shit as you can

>>144253175
this guy is retarded, don't waste your breath on him

>>144253037
You should learn the japanese word 静止.

onomatopoeia makes me want to kill myself every time

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>>144253137
まだ今日のアンキ出来上らない

>>144253757
分かる

Kana only words in general need to just fuck off and die

>>144253786
>ぞいぞい
How can I translate this?

あのんくん　トルコのクーデターは　どっちおうえんすればいいの？

>>144253952
革命万歳

>>144253014
読むほかないでしょう

牛乳を買っていかなきゃ
でも外に行きたくない
誰か牛乳買ってくれ

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Can someone help me identify the second to last kanji here?

春からの大進展?活

After searching everywhere I found it close to 性生活 but without the 生, but I'm not sure if it's intended to be some sorta of wordplay...

>>144254470
生 and 性 have the same pronunciation, so 生活 is sometimes written as 性活 in hentai mangas. Its meaning is almost identical to 性生活.

>>144254458
wrong: 買っていかなきゃ
correct: 買いにいかなきゃ

I used realkana.com to learn kana till now
but today the site got fucked up and I can learn from it
is there another website just like it?

>>144254620
Thanks.

Saving these stuff with ??? titles was really bugging my autism.

Time for your reading practice, anon.
If you can read this you CAN learn Japanese:
「ふうん。あれ、阿良々木[あららぎ]くんのだったんだ。でも、そうなるとおかしいわね。前に、私が後ろに乗っけてもらった自転車とは随分造形が違うみたいだけれど」
「あれは通学用。プライベートでママチャリなんて乗れるわけねーだろ」
「なるほどね。阿良々木くん、高校生だもんね」
　ふむふむと、頷く戦場ヶ原[せんじょうがはら]。
　お前も高校生なのだが。
「高校生、マウンテンバイク」
「含むところのありそうな物言いだな……」
「高校生、マウンテンバイク。中学生、バタフライナイフ。小学生、スカートめくり」
「その悪意のある羅列はどういう意味だ！」
「助詞も形容詞もないのだから、悪意があるかどうかなんてわからないでしょう。勝手な推測で女の子に向かって大声を出さないでよ、阿良々木くん。恫喝だって暴力の一つなのよ？」
　それなら毒舌だって暴力の一つだろう。
　なんて言っても、仕方ないのだろうけれど……。
「じゃあ、助詞と形容詞を足してみろよ」
「高校生『の』マウンテンバイク『は』、中学生『の』バタフライナイフ『や』、小学生『の』スカートめくり『より』、『有り得ない』」
「フォローする気がないのかよ！」
「やあねえ阿良々木くん。そうじゃなくて、ここでの突っ込みは『有り得ない』は形容詞じゃなくて動詞プラス打消しの助動詞だ、でしょう」
「そんなもん咄嗟に言われてわかるか！」
　さすがは学年トップクラスの成績保持者。
　いや、わからないのは僕だけなのかな……。
　国語は苦手だ。

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なんであのんくんのあげるれいぶんは

いつも物語の冒頭なの

>>144254986
>famous and popular anime
I cannot understand at all.

>>144255077
kek

>>144255077
Hey, I'm like 1/3 in.
No bully

>>144254986
>>国語は苦手だ。
これだけで分かる。

>>144254723
http://unckel.de/kanateacher/index-en.html

>>144254716
Damn my production is so できない

Need to get back on hellotalk

>>144255102
I actually can't, that joke at the end is impossible to parse for me.
My only solace is that Araragi doesn't get it either.

>>144254986
This didn't seem very difficult. Like, objectively. Is it famous?

>>144255254
Which joke? The one where the cunt calls him out for not playing the straightman at her misuse of grammar statements, or the one where he thinks maybe he'd be the only one who didn't realise that because he sucks at Japanese?

>>144255343
>The one where the cunt calls him out for not playing the straightman at her misuse of grammar statements
Oh fuck me, I thought it's deeper than it actually is.

>>144255276
数時間あれば１冊よめるとおもうよ

人物の名前だけ難くして、雰囲気だけ難しくしてるけど、内容は薄いからね

>>144255614
>数時間あれば１冊よめる
unbelievable

How many months in did you finish your first "real" visual novel (as in, not Hanahira)?

I'm almost at the 4 month mark and nearing the end of one and feel pretty proud of it, especially since it isn't a generic moege. I wonder if reading Baldr after this as my second eroge would be too early to appreciate it, hmm.

>>144255778
Finished my first one casually reading in a couple weeks

>>144255778
I've been studying for over 2 years and I still haven't beaten a single VN. They're fucking awful, man.

>>144255778
I was reading for close to a year before I even decided to pick up a VN

LN > VN

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>>144255778
ひとりのクオリア took me a month, and it's marked as 2-10 hours on vndb.
Reading Island now and it's already taking more than 2 months, I feel like I'll never get to read fast.

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>>144255778
several weeks

>>144255778
2 days.

>>144255778
I always get bored and start reading something else before I finish anything.

>>144256036
できぬ

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>>144255778
Just finished Flyable Heart.

日本語はそんなにむずかしくない。
聞いて話すのは。
でも読んで書くのはファッキンくそむずかしい。

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>>144256121
>ぬ
かっこいいじゃん

>日本語は聞くのも話すのも読むのも書くのも糞難しい

>>144255757
にほんごは書きにくいけど、速読しやすいから。個人差がおおきいけどかなり早くよめるようになるとおもうよ

どうして速読しやすいのかって

男言葉とか女言葉とか、キャラによってはっきり言葉遣いを変えるから、誰が話してるのかつかってる語尾とかつかってる一人称とかでわかるのが理由じゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>144256214
はなしことばと、かきことばが

はっきり違うってのは、にほんごの欠点だとおもうよ

>>144256214
そうか？
漢字はすごく便利と思うけど

>>144256292
行間を読み紙背に徹する眼光が必要
空気を読んで隠喩を使って敬語を使っておべっかを使って
面倒至極

At what level can I read Seinen manga like Kingdom, Tokyo Ghoul etc.

>>144255778
>I'm almost at the 4 month mark and nearing the end of one and feel pretty proud of it, especially since it isn't a generic moege.

In reality you barely understood it and were mostly making up shit based on machine translation of nouns and verbs.

>>144256251
でしょう

>>144256753
I smell projection of your own ability here.

>>144256827
Nah, just seen too many of such people on Reddit. Why the confrontative tone?

>>144254986
Is this from the novels? In the CoR his works are supposed to be HARDER THAN STEEL level of difficulty but it didn't seem so much from this block, although I had to dictionary/OCR a bunch of words...

"Hum, wasn't that Araragi-kun's? But that's weird isn't it? Before, when I rode on the back of your bicycle, it seems it had a completely different shape."
"That was for school commute. There's no way I'd ride a granny bike like that in my private time."
"Hm, I see. Araragi-kun is a high schooler right?"
Senjougahara said as she nodded. You're a high schooler too.
"High schooler. Mountain bike."
"You're talking as if you want to say something..."
"High schooler. Mountain bike. Middle schooler. Butterfly knife. Elementary schooler. Skirt lifting."
"What's with that ill-intended listing!?"
"There's no adjectives or particles, so you can't know if it's ill-mannered or not do you? You're assuming on your own and yet yelling at a girl, Araragi-kun. Intimidation is a form of violence, isn't it? Or is it abusive language a form of violence? In any way, that's not good..."
"Then, let me see you put particles and adjectives in that."
"A high schooler's mountain bike is, along with a middle schooler's butterfly knife, more than a elementary schooler's skirt lifting, unlikely better."
"I don't even want to comment on that!"
"No, Araragi-kun. That's not it, you're supposed to say [unlikely] isn't an adjective but a verb with another negation auxiliary verb, right?"
"How am I supposed to know this instantly!?"
That's just like the holder of the highest grades in the top class. No, maybe it's my fault...
I'm bad at japanese.


Done.
Although I think めくり is being ambiguous as "fold" and "skirt lifting" so I think it loses some meaning in that. Not to mention the part of sentence structure which doesn't make sense in english at all, but meh.

I take longer to come up with english sentences than to read that, so I'm doing it right, r-right?

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>>144256991
>Why the confrontative tone?
Do you even read your own posts?

>>144256991
>Nah, just seen too many of such people on Reddit
You need to go back

>Weekend anki

Actually not as painful today as it is most Saturdays for some reason

>>144257131
>>144257137
My post was an experience-based guess. Sorry if it touched you inappropriately. Was it true?

>>144257052
>I had to dictionary/OCR

Which ones?

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>>144256991

>>144257052
>"A high schooler's mountain bike is, along with a middle schooler's butterfly knife, more than a elementary schooler's skirt lifting, unlikely better."
hmm

>>144257165
This is why I can't stand autists.

>>144257206
造形
含む
羅列
助詞
形容詞
推測
恫喝
毒舌
咄嗟
成績
保持者

I know my vocab is very poor.

>>144257212
I don't know how to make it sound correctly in english, so I added the "better". My ESL is also pretty limited...

>>144256386
英語だって違うじゃない
昔じゃなきゃ文語なんて丁寧な説明口調程度だよ

>>144257387
Says the guy shitting himself from reading his first VN and taking 4 months.

Sorry that I'm not impressed. But I guess you're so fragile you shatter from being told you're still shit.

>>144257052
>Although I think めくり is being ambiguous as "fold" and "skirt lifting" so I think it loses some meaning in that.
スカートめくり is a very specific thing, there's no ambiguity.

>>144256991
Glad to see a fellow redditor in these remote parts. Yoroshku my friend.

Give me one good reason to learn Katakana.

>>144257052
heh i only grasped like 40% of the whole thing, but i cant even read yotsubato very well, dont know why i even tried

>>144257629
Because everyone here tells you to read anything any time, no matter how good you are, even if you take months and have to look up 80% of the text. It's because people only care about being able to say they "read" something, not actually learning or reading.

>>144257617
Listen Steve I know katakana is scary but it's just something you'll have to do

>>144257617
ばか
バカ
馬鹿
莫迦
you can see obvious difference

>>144257052
>In the CoR his works are supposed to be HARDER THAN STEEL
They're isn't, the writing is pretty straightforward.
The only hard part is the fuck ton of vocab, but it's not a problem if you rikai that shit.

>>144257165
>experience-based guess
In other words, a projection.

O-olá... e-eu estou na classe certa?

>>144257629
I don't see any issues with trying. Trying to read is a way to learn new words, I even remember some random words I picked in some posts here...

If your grammar isn't good too, you can use as an exercise to test/improve yourself.

>>144257678
>Because everyone here tells you to read anything any time, no matter how good you are, even if you take months and have to look up 80% of the text.
Or maybe because reading a bunch is the only way to get to the point where you can read fast with no lookups and understand everything?

>>144253663
what does ぞ い mean in this context?

>>144257678
yeah but i didnt even know that 「 」 are used as "Person talks." timmy kimmy says と and って are quotations and i figured brackets were 'japanese brackets' as in (inserted phrasing related to but not part of regular discourse) stuff. Its not needed in manga for obvious reasons

>>144257972
Sentence ending particle that indicates the speaker is super adorable

>>144257972
ぞ speaker's determination

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>パターンで見る
>アンキで見たところで単語は失敗した
絶望した

Today I did Anki for 32 minutes and then read a visual novel for 2 hours and 9 minutes.

>>144257585
You got a theater license for all that projection?

I'm not even the same guy, faggot.

>>144257052
>お前も高校生なのだが。
>You're a high schooler too.
Very bland recreation of the Japanese line. Push it more towards "Look who's talking?"

>それなら毒舌だって暴力の一つだろう。
>なんて言っても、仕方ないのだろうけれど……。
>Or is it abusive language a form of violence? In any way, that's not good..."
There you're making it seem like this is still Senjogahara, when in Japanese it's clearly Araragi's internal commentary.

>「高校生『の』マウンテンバイク『は』、中学生『の』バタフライナイフ『や』、小学生『の』スカートめくり『より』、『有り得ない』」
>"A high schooler's mountain bike is, along with a middle schooler's butterfly knife, more than a elementary schooler's skirt lifting, unlikely better."
"High-schooler on a mountain bike is even more unlikely than middle-schooler with a butterfly knife or elementary schooler getting her skirt flipped."

>「フォローする気がないのかよ！」
>"I don't even want to comment on that!"
Why would Araragi react like this to his own previous statement?

>「そんなもん咄嗟に言われてわかるか！」
"How am I supposed to know this instantly!?"
Am I supposed to instantly understand what you're talking about?

>さすが...
>That's just like...
That's... for you.

>いや、わからないのは僕だけなのかな……。
>No, maybe it's my fault...
Or no, it's probably just my own idiocy at fault...

Did you see these, DJT? I noticed not many people ever react to others' translation attempts.

>>144258406
Should've read for 2 hours and 41 minutes instead

>>144258406
>2 hours and 9 minutes.

なんだできないのかい

>>144258436
Posts like yours are the reason I always post my translation attempts. Thanks anon-kun.

>>144258547
I also hope someone would correct me, if my corrections are wrong.

>何だ指ぐらいこの通りだと右の手の親指
の甲をはすに切り込んだ。　

この句を説明して下さい

>>144258588
What do you consider hard to understand about it?

>>144258436
You seem to know Japanese better than original translator.

one thing.
>"High-schooler on a mountain bike is even more unlikely than middle-schooler with a butterfly knife or elementary schooler getting her skirt flipped."
Perhaps 『有り得ない』 is said in the sense of "dumb" or "looking stupid."

Stupid LN. TLTR

>>144258588
everything up until と

>>144251848
Why every time I saw DJT, I read it as DaiJoubu Thread instead of Daily Japanese Thread?

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>>144258588
"Which finger equalizer did you use to cut your thumb's armor in the shape of a lotus petal?"

pretty easy ｔｂｈ

>>144258835
obviously meant for>>144258732

それはとっても恥ずかしい。

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>>144258870

>>144258930
What the fuck?
はすに - 斜に

>>144258944
The way you originally posted it, it seems you don't see that
>何だ指ぐらい
is a separate sentence. Or do you?

>>144257052
>In the CoR his works are supposed to be HARDER THAN STEEL level of difficulty but it didn't seem so much from this block,

In the reading list a lot of the ratings of LNs are taken from some random poster on baka-tsuki which means the difficulties are overblown. So you can only compare those LNs to other LNs rated by the same person. Just another reason the reading list is useless.

>>144258835
>何だ指ぐらいこの通りだと
This part can be rewritten as:
>「なんだ，指ぐらい。この通りだ」と

but, your original japanese sentence is strange.
>親指の甲
>はすに切り込んだ
wtf

>>144258436
>elementary schooler getting her skirt flipped
Elementary schooler flipping skirts.

>>144258588
何だ is not really a separate sentence but better to think of it as one probably

甲 is the backside (top side) of your finger or hand or foot or whatever. Finger here

>>144259151
Debatable. With の it could go either way.

Why are so many of the RTK keywords unrelated to the kanji they're matched with?

Like why the fuck would 悠 by remote? There are a million more relevant keywords he could have used

>>144259024
it starts right after a coma

>そんなら君の指を切ってみろと注文したから、

and then what I posted earlier.

>>144259222
Actually、 I expect the translation is
何だ指ぐらいこの通りだ "What of it, just watch"
と右の手の親指の甲をはすに切り込んだ。
As if to say (the above) he sliced diagonally into the top of his thumb　

何だ指ぐらいこの通り is a bit weird to translate without the context but 何だ指ぐらい is like "It's just a finger who gives a fuck"

>>144259240
She's listing things boys find cool in those time periods.

>>144259354
Yeah, like flipping little girls' skirts. I just see it more logical as your alternative, even if yours is more formally similar to the previous two things.

>>144259418
I don't care what you see, I'm right and you're not.

>>144259316
Still, it's meant to be understand as a separate thing like >>144259342 explains.

He also understands to the と very well as implicit とばかりに

>>144259448
Fuck off, rude shithead.

I found the source:
そんなら君の指を切つて見ろと注文したから、何だ指位（ゆびぐらゐ）此通（このとほ）りだと右の手の親指の甲（かふ）をはすに切り込んだ。
ok, I understand.

>>144259418
His isn't similar though, It's clearly boys on mountain bikes and with butterfly knives, why would it suddenly switch to a girl for the last one? Little boys are traditionally into flipping skirts, not just those of their classmates but also those of older women like teachers and shit because it's way easier.

>>144259477
日本人発見

>>144259553
But he's very sure about himself >>144259448

care to explain the ぐらい and 通り?

>>144254986
Okay I'll try to translate too, keep in mind I'm mildly drunk

"Hmm. So that was Araragi's. But something's amiss. It looks fairly different from the bicycle I hitched a ride on earlier."
"That one's for commuting to school. You don't really think I ride a granny's bike around in my free time, do you?"
"I see. You are a high schooler after all."
Senjougahara is nodding her head in agreement.
You're a high schooler too, you know.
"High schooler, mountain bike"
"Seems like you have something more to say..."
"High school, mountain bike. Junior high schooler, butterfly knife. Grade schooler, skirt flipping"
"What does that malicious-sounding line even mean?"
"There aren't even any particles or adjectives, so you can't claim it's malicious. Don't just blurt random guesses out loud at innocent girls, Araragi. Threats can be considered violence too, you know?"
In that case, your foul mouth is an act of violence too.
I guess nothing will change no matter what I say here...
"So why don't you try putting some particles and adjectives in there?"
"A highschooler 'S mountain bike IS EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS than a junior high schooler 'S butterfly knife AND a grade schooler 'S skirt flipping
"
"You're not even going to respond?!"
"Great job, Araragi! Actually, the proper response here would be "ridiculous" is not an adjective, it's a -error: this joke is untranslatable into English-"
"At least try and replace it with something!!"
As one would expect from the person with the highest grades in the entire DJT.
Actually, I might be the only one who doesn't get it...
I can't learn Japanese.

>>144259690
My bad, your post confused the shit out of me, you're the one who is retarded and wrong, and he's the one who is right.

>>144259448
I just read the passage and you're wrong. It's makes no sense for it to suddenly be something where the ありえない applies to some random unmentioned subject instead of the 小学生

It's talking about elementary school (boys) flipping (possibly older girls') skirts

>>144259740
But he's the one who's claiming it switches to girls for the last one.

And you're the one asking "why would it suddenly switch to a girl for the last one?" indicating you don't find that likely.

So why am I the retarded one? When you're questioning his judgement.

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>>144259721
Pretty good

>>144254986
Why is it that even medium tier LNs feel easier to read than moege VN? I'm guessing it's the short and concise sentence structure, VNs tend to like to use a million commas.

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>>144259547
why did you do that? I've still got this >>144259708 to be cleared up

>>144260013
Because you're reading a passage of pure dialogue with no narration and probably comparing it to narration in moege

Although I bet the difficulty is actually rather similar between something like monogatari and slightly harder moege to easy plotge

>>144256390
Kanji ha benri dakedo fukuzatsu sugiru.
Alphabet nara yokatta darou.

>>144260013
Tiers are a meme. Everything is made with adult Japanese readers in mind, writers aren't going to limit their own vocabulary for some arbitrary reason

>>144260019
何だ指ぐらい この通りだと 右の手の親指の甲をはすに切り込んだ。

>>144260019
ぐらい there is used to express one finger isn't much.

この通り is just この通り.
Affirmation of the previous statement as この通りだ. For example "It's like this". The "this" being the previous statement 何だ指ぐらい.

>>144259708
ぐらい represents that the speaker doesn't care about cutting his finger.
"指ぐらい" means like "(I can cut) even my finger".

通り is a part of the idiom この通り indicating he shows his cutting wound.
Direct translation is like "See this" or something.

>>144260019
指ぐらいどうってことない
ほら見てみろ、この通りだ *cuts self*

>>144260084
and? no harm in learning
>>144260157
bullying starts now, huh?

>>144260230
Dude no one was criticizing or bullying you, what's your deal?

>>144260350
Faggot that only comes to 4chan for DJT. Probably the vast majority of this thread is the same nowadays.

So I went to a japanese restauraunt today and when the waitress brought me the food I clapped my hands and said "いただきます". But she gave me a weird look.

I thought the Japanese valued politeness?

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>>144260201
>>144260208
thank you

>>144260419
Not when you're a fat weeaboo obviously overplaying it.

>>144260419
Probably one of those Japanese that move abroad and stop valuing their tradition. You did well in reminding her of her roots.

>>144260424
俺にありがとう言わないのか？
まったく今日日のガキは

>>144260419
Keep in mind that 90% of the time at a japanese restaurant outside of japan the staff are not japanese. Usually chinese or korean, and sometimes american japanese (therefore not actual japanese)

Will I even improve much watching jdramas with Japanese subs if I keep them on all the time? Should I turn them off and only turn them on when I don't understand something? (pretty often)

>>144260419
And then afterwards she went from her job to cheerleading practice and got fucked by the entire football team

You only get actual Japanese people in Japan

>>144260013
I can't really post more complicated ones in one post because of character limit.

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Is Japan real?

>>144260721
>And then afterwards she went from her job to cheerleading practice and got fucked by the entire football team

What did he mean by this?

>>144258429
That's actually a pretty good joke anon.

Do you guys ever get words that you just keep failing no matter what? It's like there's a blind spot in my brain and I just can't remember them. I've been failing 製造 and 経済 for ages.

>>144260896
嗚咽, I guess.

>>144259276

Because Heisig literally came up with them as a beginner. Most of them ended up okay by the 6th edition but plenty are still bad.

"Remote" isn't very good there but 悠 can refer to either leisurely things or distant things, "remote" refers to the latter there. That's really not too bad unless your story involves a TV remote.

>>144260896
I'd tell you but I already forgotten it.

>>144260896
Literally 50% of all words I learn sadly.

>>144260896
Any adverb that's written in kana always gives me nothing but pain and refuses to stay in my memory.
Latest offender is あらかた

>>144261063
粗方

>>144260896
That's happens all the fucking time, usually I just keep ploughing though and eventually I encounter them enough while reading that they stop being a problem, sometimes it pisses me off too much and I just go out of my way to solidify them in my brain by writing them down, using mnemonics or looking up example sentences

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Is it worth learning japanese if i just wanna read Muramasa and Dies Irae? How long would it take?

>>144261099
No

>>144260896
Looks like my current leech list is
嗾ける、従容、蔦、どっしり、がっちり、窄まる

I can them easily now but I still don't feel like unsuspending them. Anki has already failed

>>144261063
Kana only adverbs are easily 80% of all the words that give me problems, fuck em

>>144261083
Sadly I don't ever see it written like that so I have to recognize it in kana.

>>144261099
Rethink why you want to read them, realize it's only because you're a Redditor and got them memed into your head by Moogy, realize you lack agency in your life and rethink it all.

>>144260896
>成績
>化粧
>拍手
>規模

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>大きな公園と展望台が併設されていて、昼間は家族づれなんかで賑わう場所だ。

What is the づれ? Rikai won't hook it

>>144261154
Why is Moogy so popular anyway. Or well-known

>>144261171
All easy desu. Go outside and you'll see signs saying 化粧室 everywhere. Easy to remember like that.

>>144261099
Muramasa > Oretsuba > Asairo > Subahibi >>>>>>> G Senjou no maou > Dies Irae

>>144261196
連れる
家族連れ

>>144261196
Learn Japanese and you'll understand it.

But some fag already had to tell you >>144261247

>>144261238
>Look at me I live in japan but I'm still shit at Japanese because I spend all my time on DJT instead of reading and talking

>>144261238
>Go outside

But I don't live in japan.

>>144261287
Projecting.

>>144261287
>look at me im better than the rest of djt because im aware of how much of a waste of time it is despite not studying japanese instead myself

>>144261220
Because there are too many blind sheep who have yet to open their eyes to the one true eroge God - Hadler.

>>144261247

Thanks, weird that it didn't hook that

>Jisho down

I'VE FORGOTTEN EVERYTHING

>>144261425
rikai can't hook things where parts are in kana that it doesn't expect to be in kana. You gotta type the entire thing in kana if you don't know the kanji. or just use jisho

what exactly am i supposed to be getting out of reading when i can barely understand anything? am i just trying to mine as many words as i can?

>>144261693
By trying to understand it? Are you dumb?

>>144261693
You should have finished Tae Kim so that you can actually try to understand what is said

mining at early stages is overrated. It pretty much doesn't matter. What matters is that you read

>>144261693
You have to try to understand it all.

>>144261693
>Reading things without knowing grammar

>>144261808
>reading Tae-Kim means you know grammar

:-)

>>144261920
>Implying it doesn't

:^)

>>144261943
I guess in your N3 land.

How many words do you need to know before you can read NHK web easy?

>>144261996
10

>>144261996

11

>>144261996
9

>>144262259
>Needing to know 11 words to read NHK easy

できないね

>finally take concerta
>study Japanese for 2 solid hours

Ive been studying for less than an hour a day so this is pretty incredible

>>144261996
Zero as long as you have rikaisama

>>144262020
>>144262259
>>144262263
>>144262308
I mean without needing a dictionary for every word smartasses.

>>144262290
これは素晴らしい話だ
世界に一番おもしろい話かもしれない

>>144262290
What'd you do those two hours anon?

>>144262325

Using a dictionary is a meme. Don't tell me you actually fell for it? I don't know whether to laugh at you or cry at the sheer stupidity.

>>144260896
I have trouble with words where you have the same kanji but different hiragana.

Like

見つける
見つかる

Any tips for telling words like these apart aside from simple practice?

>>144262521
Recognize the patterns

Verbs ending in す are usually (always?) transitive, verbs with the a vowel are usually intransitive for example. Eventually you'll know it by intuition.

>>144262521
http://thejapanesepage.com/w/index.php?title=Intransitive/Transitive_verb

That sites got a pretty comprehensive list of what forms are transitive and which aren't, but it's still pretty all over the place, it would be easier to just read a lot and get the hang of it that way

Why is studying so 痛い?

>>144263262
Because you lack amphetamine

I've been struggling with retention lately and I've been dropping below 70% and taking about an hour and a half to do my reps. I don't have much free time at all right now and I can barely finish my reps before I go to bed. Should I stop adding cards for a while to level things out or just keep powering through?

>>144263758
Sounds like it would be more beneficial to stop or at least lower your new cards

No point ploughing through a bunch of new cards if you're just gunna end up not remembering them properly

Maybe just lower them to 5/10 a day or some shit

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>>144263758
>and I've been dropping below 70%

I have yet to reach over 60%. Several words sharing the same pronounciation makes it difficult for me. I can remember the meanings just fine.

>>144263758
>I don't have much free time at all right now and I can barely finish my reps before I go to bed.
Change your sleep schedule and do them in the morning

>>144264337

I wake up at 4am. Maybe waking up at 3am and doing them in an hour could work but it would be pretty rough. Guess I'll do my new cards today anyway because it feels like a waste not doing them since it's saturday and I have all day.

>>144264443
Become a neet

>>144264726
Please refrain from such baits, there are autists in here that'll take you serious.

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>>144264726
>彼女
うせろてめえ

>>144264875
>le normies get out maymay
back to /r/4chan nigger

>>144265018
リア充発見
爆発しろ

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>>144264875
>>144265018
I can't even tell who's baiting anymore.

>>144265018
自殺しろ

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I'm a little bit stuck with this table and would appreciate help figuring out what the triangle means.

There is the standard Circle and Cross, I know the Cross is bad, so in this context it's inefficient.
Circle is efficient. Double Circle is very efficient.

But what does triangle mean in this context?

>>144265240
まあまあ

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>>144265272
>Mā mā
Sou desuka. Arigatou Anon-chan!

>>144265440
1

>>144265543
0.5

>>144265543
Half a month

anime trash

Does Japanese have a way of expressing the concept of "canonical"? As in "this story is non-canonical"

>>144266381
consult a dictionary for best results

>蒸気
>水蒸気
for what purpose? is water vapor not steam??

>>144266503
vapor vs water vapor rolling eyes

>>144266554
>vapor vs water vapor
there is only one kind of vapor retard

>>144266592
Come huff some gasoline vapour brah, it's just water.

>>144266592
it reflects badly on you to call your sensei a retard just fyi

>斬
Cutting
>打
Impact/Bludgeon
>突
Pierce

Is this correctly translated?

>>144267445
no x3

>>144267445
stop

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僕の腕の下で、公園へ散歩しよう。恥ずかしがらないで、大丈夫。

>>144268012
大丈夫じゃない

I just realized that 替える, 代える and 換える are some of these words that have the same general meaning and pronunciation, like 着く and 付く, 会う, 遭う and 逢う, etc. I wish I had noticed this sooner.

>>144267445
For damage types in the context of rpgs sure

>>144268225
really? do you not watch anime or something?

>>144268225
>着く and 付く
I wouldn't say those are similar. Maaaybe if you stretch it to the other readings of 着, you'd have wear vs. attach... but 着く read as つく is pretty different.

ゆっくりでも読みが楽しいだ！＼(^ω^)／

>>144268355
They're the same word in that same way 固い, 硬い and 堅い are

>>144268355
つ・く【付く／附く／着く】

［動カ五（四）］ １ あるものと他のものが離れない状態になる。

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/srch/all/%E7%9D%80%E3%81%8F/m0u/

The same thing.

Anyone here use memrise?

I'm trying out a N5 Kanji course and I wish it forced you to type out kun and on'yomi readings instead of just the English meaning.

>>144268688
n5 kanji lol nice joke

>>144252288
One of DJT's pivotal creations is an Anki deck based on all three volumes of the A Dictionary of Basic/Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammar, by the Japan Times. I'm surprised no one has responded to you with this by now.
Here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/t1z8lpm9nc5e090/ADOJG%2Bfont.zip
Download the DoJG Note images here, put them into your anki profile collection.media folder, along with the font file if you want to use the deck font, otherwise replace it in the card template:
mega:///#F!Pgx1FaSZ!Ux3evBUKrAOlLrkVt4zgkw

>>144259276
They were designed to aid mnemonics, not for etymological accuracy. You can use whatever keywords you like for RTK1.

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>classroom lecture scenes

I'm starting to hate this shit so much. It's such a high difficulty jump over everything else, simply because they talk about shit I have no context for. If I was a native, it would have been a refresher from high school at worst, but instead it all just goes over my head even as I try my best to understand everything.

Also, are Japanese students actually expected to know shit like why the officially recognized date of the start of a shogunate from 1000 years ago changed, or is this supposed to show how smart the students are?

>>144270517
>t. never graduated high school

>>144270517
Memorization is a big part of Japanese schools. Also, you're rarely expected to seriously understand every bit of it. I have never seen the word 征夷大将軍 before, but I can tell it's some position he held after holding the higher position of 右近衛大将 (which I have also never heard of). That's realistically all you need to understand in most cases.

>>144270578
My high school history classes didn't drill dates at all, and final exam mostly focused on understanding the significance of events. Maybe it varies by country?

>>144270578
Can you please go back to your home board already

>>144270731
I thought everyone on /djt/ was an autist that never leaves the place

>無口
I understand the Japanese word more than the English definition for it.

>>144270844
its crazy cause i only look at djt one day out of the week and no matter what time it is its the same 3 idiots lol

>>144271013
That explains why the quality of posts around here takes a tragic plunge once a week.

>>144270849
As a dirty ESL, I come across English definitions I've literally never seen before way too often. 区切る is another one that's easier to understand by looking at the kanji individually than looing at the first few definitions in rikaichan.

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図書館で色々な本を読んで、色々な彼女を嵌めた。楽しかったよ、あんたはどう

>>144271060
i guess u would know except dont assume i told u the truth x]

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>>144270849
>>144271076
>tfw you can tell none of the rikai and jisho translations convey the accurate meaning of a word but your native language has your back

笑顔で挨拶するのが好き！こうして、バックスタッブするのが簡単なことになる

>>144270849
that's weird considering they mean the same thing

>>144271470
弁口ひでえ

Does Ankidroid allow multiple profiles or just one?

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>>144271897
そうか

Just signed up for my third JCat wish me luck

>>144272267
そうよ ＊付けされたgay picあり＊

>>144272945
Luck wished
Post results when you're done

>>144272945
inb4 lower score than before

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漫画を読んでながら、日本語を学ばないほうがいいって考えた。ちょっとめんどくさい

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Sup anons.

I'm reading my first LN (KonoSuba) and it took me like an hour to get through the character's introductions because too much kanji.

After that when I got to the actual thing, I stop like once for every 3 kanji on average.

Knowing this, what's a good way to exercise to remember them?

For now, since I'm only a few (2 pages) in, I start from the beginning again, but since I already know what sentences mean, I simply see the kanji again to commit them to memory, trying to avoid "remembering the whole sentence" but remembering words only.

Does anyone know of a good/better way to improve this?
Also, if you've been here before, how long does it take regularly to get past this phase of needing to look up something almost every new sentence?

I'm trying to avoid reading too much so I don't forget the kanji I've been seeing on every new sentence, kinda like with Anki (reading new sentences until I get about 10~20ish of new words every day).

>>144274248
not all that unlikely desu

>>144274480
>I'm trying to avoid reading too much so I don't forget the kanji I've been seeing on every new sentence, kinda like with Anki (reading new sentences until I get about 10~20ish of new words every day).


It seems you don't understand the point of reading.

>>144272945
I can never work up the confidence to take JCat. I'm scared I will get N3 or worse.

>>144274480
Just fucking unironically read

>>144274550
But if I read too much, since I have to look up so much, I feel like I won't get to commit them to memory at all...

I mean, I even forget what a kanji means about 30 secs later when doing my Anki exercises...

I want to delete a deck but I can't because it's the default deck somehow.

How do I change this I've tried everything.

>>144274760
It seems you don't understand the point of reading.

>階段
>段階
For fuck's sake, Japs

>>144274585
Just do it and handwave any bad score as the test being inaccurate

>>144275107
That's only fair considering good result that gets posted here gets the same treatmant

>>144275107
That sounds reasonable. Maybe I'll try it.

>>144254986
Someone should just slap up a paragraph to read at the start of every thread. This kind of interactive reading is actually pretty helpful

>>144275517
Often stuff gets posted and ignored. You'd need a way to force people to care

>>144275517
it gives me a good reason to say tldr

Been studying Japanese since December but only started taking it seriously last month or so, doing my reps on Anki every day, reading a lot about grammar and practicing my reading skills and comprehension with "Yotsubato!".

Last week, I took a placement test for a Japanese course and managed to skip Basic I, II, III, and IV. Considering the time that I've studied, should I have done better at it or is it right?

>>144276274
誰も気にしない

>>144276315
Rude desu

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出来ない

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anon, if you're still lurking, can you please post the link of the online text version of キノの旅 again..
漢字を書くのほうが疲れる

>>144276721
おあいにくさま

>>144275893
>>144276076
I'm not him but I really like posts like those. I'm also the one who always tries to post translations attempts with broken/bad english and I feel like I learn a lot from my mistakes when other anons correct me.

So there'll be at least one person who'll really care about it.

>>144276808
Learn to use radical search on Jisho
or better yet, read a VN

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>>144276721
>tfw only read Yotsuba and Flyable Heart
たぶん幸運に

>>144276975
hey dude big ups to you keep doin you

>>144277021
"read" lol

面白いLNをお勧めしてください

>>144276977
>or better yet, read a VN
仕方ない

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>>144276808
俺も要る
お願いします

>>144277121
そんなものは存在しないｔｂｈ

>>144277021
>listening 26
Watch more anime

>>144277121
/wsg/で聞け

Something that I've read recently had this:

あなたが欲しい

And without giving a second thought, I thought of it as "I want you", but now I'm giving it a second thought and... why is it again?
It's similar to あなたが好き (I like you) but what was the rule/thing/whatever it's called that makes it ignore the が as actor in the phrase and make it the object instead?

>>144277635
But I've seen all the good anime
Recommend me a good variety show instead.

>>144276808
Have you tried googling excerpts from the text

>>144277764
check out tyler kims bangin bestselling book for all the ins and outs on が

>>144277764
it's an abbreviated form of the set phrase あなたが犯されてほしい

>>144253014
Cmon man. I'm in med school and learning japanese for my chinese porn games as well, but that doesn't mean we aren't stupid.

>>144277845
>listening 26
>i've seen all the good anime

No you haven't.

But don't listen to him, your other scores aren't high enough for you to be at the point where you really need to focus listening.

You can get listening to 80+ just from VNs

>>144253014
Funny how the people who make fun of "guessing your way" through reading are always stuck below N3

>>144278002
すごい、どうやってそんな事知ていたか？
実は今日シコシコやっている予定があった、それにいつも妄想してくれるのは私が犯されている事になってから

やばい、興奮してきた

>>144278510
下がってろボケが

>>144278374
People think they can learn languages by reading through lists of grammar points and memorizing translations of vocabulary

My retention has been stabilizing around 80% overall, which isn't awful, but my young cards are way up at like 87% compared to my mature at 81%. Is there a way to force enter/space to map to hard rather than good so I don't just autopilot? Should I just modify the starting ease?

I feel like an idiot for not being able to translate this but I am having trouble translating the word 流せる.

Context: This guy (A) is talking to another guy (B) who pissed him off. Guy A is seems to be trying to start a fight and Guy A says this:
>「上等だ！　やってみろ！　やってみせろよ！　このオレを、流せるもんなら流してみやがれってんだ、ちくしょうめ！」

The various meanings of 流せる don't seem to fit. I almost think it could mean "to hit/strike", but it isn't 殴る.

>>144279518
something like 無視する

>>144277121
ココロコネクト

>>144279624
Hmm, I guess I could see that. So it has a meaning like diffusing a situation then.

ロリコンでよかった～

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbFrjRTO-9Q

>>144279636
面白いって言ったんだよ

>>144279518
「流す］じゃないか

"Bring it on! I want to see you try! Show me you can! If you think you can make me bleed then I want to see you fucking try, asshole!"

流す
to spill, to shed (blood, tears)

My lousy attempt.

>>144279753
Here's the actual definition
わきにそらす。その事にこだわらないようにする。「論敵の攻撃を軽く―・す」「柳に風と聞き―・す」

>>144279902
うん、だからこそココロコネクトを勧めたよ
世界で一番面白いラノベだ

>>144280350
Fucking ctrl+enter post shortcut. Anyway, are you sure it isn't 泣かせる?

>>144280223
いやありえぬ

>>144280665
べ…別に信じなくてもいいよ！
あんたのために言ってるわけじゃないんだからね！

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電波女と青春男 novels 1-8 in txt (青空文庫).
https://mega.nz/#!chYmSTBC!TbOFHROkNlAlX2w4wHlkWM3YOE72ZGfnHrNNS3HVxKQ

Because the cornucopia of resources only has the manga, not the novels.

>>144280979
ツンデレ演技も面白くないぜ

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>>144268958
not the guy you're talking to, but I downloaded that and it seems to look like this, plus a few examples as you scroll. Is this what it's supposed to look like? I promise I havent been ricing.

>>144281300
>Is this what it's supposed to look like?
Yes. It gets a little less retarded as you progress

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>>144277021
馬鹿部によこそ。入る時は、靴を脱いでくださいね

>>144246062

What's the source for this anyways

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I'll be fluent by 2018. Screencap this.

>>144281300
The DoJG Anki deck is one of the worst things ever made.

Grammar should never be done through Anki - unlike vocab, it's too complex and context-reliant to be squeezed onto flashcards, so you either have these enormous cards which are awful for the quick recollection that Anki is designed for, or cards which miss a lot of the depth and subtlety required to actually understand the grammar point in the wild. Consulting DoJG is good and useful, but you should learn grammar from reading. Attempting to do it through Anki will only cripple your progress.

>>144282043
racefag gonna get dissapointed

>>144282043
２０１８年まで顔を出さないでねさよなら

>>144282043
Don't come back in 1000 words crying about how you can't remember them at all and are overwhelmed by reps

>>144282391
But I limited my reps to 40/day, anon

>>144282260
Sure

>>144282136
thats a cool opinion you have but i pose a simple question who the fuck are you