I'm 99% sure that Black is Mirai Zamasu, who hates humans

Black > Goku

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>>144005068
I'm going to go with your 1% and say that's not the reason. What the actual reason is, I don't have the faintest clue honestly. The Androids stayed to Earth. Cell was a threat to the entire universe, but never managed to make it off Earth. In fact, in the future, he never even made it past his first form.

>>144005182
True

Why can't he just be Goku? Why does it always have to be some half assed stand in? or some stupid alternate dimension stand in?

>>144005818
Mainly to give him god ki I would think. Kais don't seem to get any stronger than what they already are at. So imbue gokus body with God ki, post results.

>>144005818
Zamasu has the same ki signature as black, or it's extraordinarily close.

Ki signatures are mostly accurate if I'm not mistaken, especially if people as powerful as Beerus and Whis are actually trying to find out someone's identity.

>>144005763
Black has a huge problem with humans specifically though. He thinks the world (universe?) would be a paradise if they didn't exist. Humanity at some point in time, or in some timeline or universe, likely did something to piss him off. Or he just thinks their lives are miserable compared to other races.

Who is Zamasu? I've only been keeping up with DBS through these threads

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>>144006042
Kaioshin apprentice from Universe 10.

>>144006042
We don't know yet, other than he is a Kai who whiss mentioned.

The problem is in the future timeline even the other universes have an alternate history.
black might be part human
It's proven that hybrids get the most power when not going super sayin. Or something took place with a Kai similar to that of the old Kai.

>>144005818
Same reason he didn't stay dead with Frieza or Cell. Same reason Gohan is a pushover instead of the badass who was supposed to be. Some autist in nipland will sperg if someone dares to touch his Goku or god forbid, even imply that every iteration of him might not be heroic main character.

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>>144005999
>>144005068
What this anon says makes MUCH more sense.

>>144006183
>The problem is in the future timeline even the other universes have an alternate history.

Yeah, that's why I was thinking the future timeline's Zamasu is more of a dick for some reason. The regular timeline's Zamasu is just kind of standoffish. It explains why they have the same ki signature but aren't technically the same person.

You know it could be possible gohan had a son in that timeline
Goku's family tree has a history of making the same fag
What if that Kai took him in did the same shit the old Kai did too gohan and raised him as a Kai. Do we even know if quarter bloods can go super?

>Zamasu

Literally who character.

Why so afraid to use a established character?

>>144006524
Huh. That actually makes things easier. Need to be wary of in inaccurate subbing interpretations then I guess.

Did anybody notice with all the Kai fusions they seem to have the same dominant features of whoever is stronger with the passive features of the weaker half.

>>144006699
Because there is no established character who would fit.

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>>144006699
Only guy I can think of who could also fit this role is a video game villain.

Black can't be the green kai, their potara are different

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>>144006699
What's the problem with using a new character? It's probably the first time the Kais are being actually relevant to the plot instead of just being in the background. It allows for more worldbuilding, too.

>>144007025
Yeah i don't get why Black's is green. Same color as Demigra's. They could've used any other color if they wanted to.

>>144007025
>The plot of the following episodes were leaked online and Attack of the Fanboy has the details.

>According to the "Dragon Ball Super" spoilers teased on the site, the coming episodes will look into the possibility that Black Goku and Zamasu are the same persons. Fans could also witness Vegeta training Future Trunks.

It's Zamasu, which is what I've been saying from the start. He knew Beerus, and was honored to meet Goku. Nobody else but a kai would fit that role.

>>144005068

That sounds like the worst reasoning ever.

Kais like him can defeat foes like freezer and the androids in one punch so why the fuck would he care about one insignificant planet.

You should've put more thought and effort into this.

>>144006524
That's possible, but Black seemed to treat saiyans with some respect since he referred to them as a proud warrior tribe, and he was honored to meet Goku. He hasn't extended his hatred of ningen to any species other than humanity so far.

He also called them the god's only failure. He'd be referring to a bunch of species of he meant mortal beings, wouldn't he? Seems like if that's the case he'd only want kais or gods of destruction to exist.

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Who was she referring to ? Trunks does not have a mask.

>>144005068
I think when Black talks about humans he is not talking specifically about Earthlings.

It's stated he destroyed other planets and species before coming to Earth, and in last arc it was made a point that every contestant in the tournament is considered human.

>>144007742
We don't know what humanity is like (or if there's even humans) in universe 10, where Zamasu is from. It sounds like he saw a bunch of different timelines and concluded humans were trash and holding everything back from being a paradise.

>>144007802
She says "The guy with the handsome face". The subs just fucked up.

>>144007843
Thanks

>>144005068
But the only thing the androids were destructive towards was humanity.

Just like Black is.

Though honestly if he wants to destroy humanity why won't he just blow up the planet? Or if he wants the planet to survive, why not kill them all in a few seconds like Super Buu did?

>>144007871
If given actual funding and support by his civilization Gero could probably mass produce androids or even Perfect Cells. Humanity also has time travel and created spaceships superior to anything Freeza's empire had after being given a single example to re-engineer.

If Dragon Ball humans got their shit together they would be the most dangerous civilization in the universe.

>>144007802
I assumed she meant his handkerchief thing around his neck. I guess it could technically be used like a wild west mask or for just blocking dust.

>>144007990
>If Dragon Ball humans got their shit together they would be the most dangerous civilization in the universe.
Black is from a timeline where they did just that in his universe so he's just wiping them out everywhere else as a preventive measure.

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>>144007871
Dragon ball villains aren't always pragmatic. They usually like being petty and killing people individually.

>>144008421
Black isn't a villain.

>>144008494
Alright, Dragon Ball *antagonists* can usually be kind of petty.

Since he hates human so much, he may as well wipe them out one at a time.

>>144006524
Would be a nice theory but Black refers to Saiyans differently than he does with humans, and treats them a bit different.

I'm quite sure he means humans.

We should all appreciate that this is the first villain in like...forever that isn't literally "i am stronger than you all and i am evil".

>>144008931
I know, so far it's basically "I am weaker than the primary cast and I am dong this for a good cause."

>>144006524
If it translates to "sentient life" then wouldn't that mean Black wants to wipe out everybody, not just mortal beings?

>>144008994
>I am weaker than the primary cast

But he isn't.

He gets stronger and stronger with each fight.

Its like with Broccoli who should be impossible to beat if not his scar that he got as a kid.

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have to give them some credit. So far. Black turned out to be a better antagonist than i expected an evil goku to be

>>144009174
Well, he at least starts off weaker. We already had Cell for that though.

I'm assuming the powers Zamasu gains as Black stay in the Gokuesque body he is using. Currently he's what, SSJ2 level? That's pretty far below the cast.

At least he's not really evil though. Wanting to exterminate humanity for the greater good is far less evil than previous villains so far.

Will they ever explain how Trunks lost his gains before leaving the Cell timeship?

>>144008494
>literally a sadist
>literally a genocidal maniac
>not a villain

anon you're fucking stupid

>>144009591
You can't get swole on catfood.

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>>144009727
>Implying you wouldnt want to genocide completly this fucking braindead race we belong to.

Black is the true hero

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>>144009803
d:^)

>>144009591
Malnutrition

>>144009727
>sadist
>genocidal maniac

I'm guessing humans made him this way somehow, probably trying to take vengeance or dish out justice.

Compared to Frieza, Cell, and Super Buu (Even Beerus and Champa, who blow planets up for not pleasing them with food), he's much less of a villain.

>>144009111

Earth isn't the first planet he's committed genocide in.

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>>144010558
indeed
He's on quite the rampage

>>144010558
I thought it was him going around destroying planets with humans on them.

I mean, U6 earth was at least torn apart by war and conflict at one point. We never found out why.

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>>144005068
>black knows beerus
>didn't react at all to his presence(frieza nearly popped himself)
>basically showed disrespect by not even greeting beerus
>knows beerus well enough to know that he wouldn't attack, or just unafraid
>beerus has a feeling he knows black
is it safe to assume the person manipulating timeline goku is a god?

>>144011379
People are thinking it's Zamasu or more likely an alternate universe version or alternate timeline version of Zamasu.

They even have the same white boots and physical build.

>>144007802
>Zamasu
When you go with Pafu you need to be aware that there are mistakes. It's relatively accurate but is done at speed.

>>144009324
This part was pretty cool.

Also its probably the first time a DBZ villain has been so dark. I mean, frieza was sadistic as all hell and committed mass genocide, but Black is literally calling humanity failures of the god's and that he's going to wipe them out in every fucking universe as a form of divine judgement.

>only 2 universe are similar to each other
>similar as in races/planets
>it's 6 and 7
>somehow some douche from 10 hates humans who are nowhere near his universe
Would've made more sense if he was some super future kai that replaced the current one or Kibito, or some asshole from 6.

>>144009344
He's way above SS2 level.

Remember, base Goku is now canonically superior to the powered up final form frieza (pre-gold).

He was also toying with SSJ2 Trunks.

You have to keep in mind that Goku at base is super powerful now, never mind when he goes super saiyan. Half the time he's just holding back; just like Vegeta against Cabbe.

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So far I'm completely underwhelmed by this arc.

Trunks is going to have absolutely no value except to give Goku and Vegeta a reason to fight. That's it. Trunks is a cool character with a cool backstory but by hardcapping him at SSJ2, he's already useless. His contribution to this arc is already over and that's sad.

Black killed his mom so Trunks should be the one to kill him. That would be the way any other story would be written but DB is to up Goku's ass to give a fuck. Give Trunks a cool new powerup so he can match Black, don't just push it on Goku and Vegeta.

What a crock of shit. Future Trunks and his world has so much potential story to be had but they don't want to. It's kind of cool seeing him interact with the present time cast and catching up but I need more man.

>>144013982
They never said only 2 universes were similar. Rather, they said that universes are paired together.

>>144014183
Yeah a better idea would have been giving him SSj Blue instantly because why the fuck not,yeah?

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>>144013620
I dunno, I'm still a believer that Frieza is the darkest villain.

We know Black has wiped out planets, but we've seen Frieza actually do it. And when he did it, he had a smile on his face. The man just didn't give a fuck.

>>144013982
What if Black is not Zamasu himself but his counterpart from universe 10 's parallel universe?

>>144014183
Vegeta seems pumped to fight Black for some reason. I doubt because it's a Goku, but there's something bothering him(maybe bulma's death)

>>144014223
>instantly
Who said anything about instantly? They have a room where you can train for a year in a day, did we just forget about this?

Plus it doesn't have to be a god form. Fuck the stupid god shit. It's already established that Black isn't really all that strong right now and Goku could probably kill him in one hit with a 10x God Kaioken Kamehameha. Trunks probably could have gone SSJ3 and taken him but they've already written it so it's this stupid shit where Black gets stronger for inexplicable reasons just by fighting.

>>144014183
blame toei and the autistic child fanbase for dragonball just being the goku does everything show.

>>144014203
Yes they did. No one said they were paired at all. Even the canon depictions show the universes linked in a circle. There's no retarded couple of universes.

>>144014246
Still wouldn't make sense. Universe 11 still wouldn't have Earth/humans.

>>144014322
This. It would have been so satisfying to see Future Trunks to go SSJ3 or even a new SSJ4 and just completely fuck Black up like he did the Androids and Cell.

>>144014322
>muh headcanon the post
Retard

>>144014183
>Bitch, bitch
>false statements
>apparently i'm time traveler

>>144006183
HOLD UP
YOU BE SAYIN
WE WUZNT KINGS BUT GODZ N SHIEEET

>>144014183
Fucking retard

>>144014642
You want headcanon? Here's headcanon.

The reason why Frieza survived the Spirit Bomb on Namek.
It's actually easy to explain. Notice how when the bomb hits Frieza he was constantly able to hold it with his hands even as it was pushing him to the ground. This way, when it finally exploded, he was not fully inside the spirit bomb and thus was able to avoid the main area of destruction. Notice that in other instances, many times enemies were completely engulfed in the bomb and we're completely inside, taking maximum damage. Vegeta took this as his entire body was surrounded by the bomb and only barely survived because of his willpower.
Majin Buu also tried to push the bomb back but when Goku got his strength back he forced the bomb forwards, making it completely engulf Buu so that he was inside the bomb, thus causing every part of his body to be disintegrated.

Everybody's talking about how Black recognized Beerus, but how/why exactly did he recognize Vegeta? Wtf was up with that?

>>144014848
Fuck off retard

>>144014322
Are you forgetting that Trunks' receives training 2 episodes from now you fucking moron

>>144014725
Except that is literally the only way this could go and you would have to be a baby in denial to think otherwise.

Goku and Vegeta wouldn't need to be involved if Trunks was going to be the one taking him out. That's just a fact.

The writers have set it up so Black is going to power up to god levels so Goku and Vegeta have an actual fight that's not a complete blowout and that's fucking it. Trunks can't become a god and even the basic god form is so far above SSJ2, or even SSJ3 that he's just worthless.

Trunks is fucking done. It's over. This show is shit.

>>144015072
>Gohan can't go above SSj2 levels
>Gohan is fucking done. Its over,. This show is shit

Literally you

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>>144015072

>future gohan is going to be wished back

>>144014276
I think this is it. I thought this was why he was giving Trunks so much shit for 'running away' to the past.

>>144015210
Also, I wonder if he'll meet Goku again.

>>144015323
He probably met him in the afterlife considering they are both fucking dead.

>>144007122
I want to strip him down and lick his anus.

>that preview for next episode
Trunks is going to encourage Gohan to fight again, right? Right? ;_;

>>144015749
>gohan
>fighting
as smart as that nigga is, I don't know why he's not working with bulma. if he's not going to help the Z warriors with his strength, at least lend them his intellect.

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>>144014183
Are you literally retarded? This is the best arc since fucking Cell.

>Actually threatening antagonist
>Future Trunks is back
>Future Mai is top qt
>Kaoshins might finally be relevant again
>We will likely explore other universes
>Whis and Beerus are finally not 100% allies anymore, but more in the grey (have their own agenda)
>Trunks might convince Gohan to fight again
>Bulma's qt sister might show up to help with the time machine
>Vegeta is pissed off at his son for running away and at Goku for seeing him as a second rate training partner - will likely train like a madman
>We haven't seen a new transformation in the last arc (Kaioken x SSB doesn't really count), so there is definitely something new coming our way

How do you not like this?

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>>144015072
>>144014322
>>144014183

> Trunks is fucking done

Not sure if you're shitposting, or jumping to conclusions based on no evidence

Do you not know that Trunks will be receiving training soon?

Ep 54 - "Inheritors of Saiyan Blood: Trunks' Resolve"

>>144013567
>relatively accurate
Nigga I'm 99% sure it's just tidied up Google Translate

>>144016025
>Seriously thinking Trunks will get his chance to shine

Retard.

>>144009324
>>144013620
is Black an evil nietzschean overman?

>>144016025
Ignore the retard anon he's a shitposter.

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What's stopping Trunks from getting the present day dragon balls, and wishing Future Gohan back to life?

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Why couldn't Buu just turn Black into candy?

If Vegetto became a jawbreaker, Black would probably turn into black liquorice

>>144007802
Bane?

>>144017715

You really think Majin Buu would even get a chance to pull that off? He would be killed instantly the moment he tried anything....he is so power creeped it isn't funny.

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>>144016013
>Trunks might convince Gohan to fight again

Do you faggots suffer from brain damage?
Future Gohan's life was utter shit. He was forced to live in constant fear of death, sacrificed his arm so Trunks could live, and died a dog's death against the Androids after trying to 1v2 them. Said death was a legit traumatism for Trunks.
And you actually believe that once he sees a Gohan who's finally able to live peacefully, created a family and accomplished his dream of becoming a scholar, he's gonna tell him "Yo, just saying, you should totally fight again."?

>>144017715
Black would just kick his ass as candy

>>144007802
LOLI MAI DOUJINS WHEN?

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>yfw the first actual threatening villain in DBS will be a Kai

So Bulma doesn't remember emperor Pilaf or something

>>144018130
>implying Zamasu isn't a red herring

Daily reminder that black did nothing wrong.

He'e just punishing humans for using forbidden time travel, abusing the dragon balls and creating things they can't control and destroy the balancr of things (androids).

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>>144018200
What if black is red herring

>>144014963
Headcanon or not, it checks out.

>>144018236
All of this was done by Sayians tho

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>>144018130
> the first actual threatening villain in DBS will be a Kai

Just because Beerus pulled a Piccolo/Vegeta, doesn't mean he was never a villain

>>144018251
>Red Herring
I finally get it, I finally understand the joke.

>>144018524
Dr Gero and Bulma aren't Saiyans

>>144018549
He was always a bit silly and funny tho.

Black is just straight up evil

>>144018130
Freeza


>>144018549
>pulled a Piccolo/Vegeta
?
Anyway Beerus wasn't a villain. He was a antagonist.

>>144018659
>implying you can't be funny and a villain
Why do most DBfags have such a narrow minded and "edgy" view of things?

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>>144018659
> He was always a bit silly and funny tho.

So was Buu

>>144018692
>?

As in, going from villain/antagonist to anti-hero/good guy

>telling a supposed child that she would die in the future

Why is Future Trunks so shitty?

>>144017602
Don't earth dragonballs have the rule of dead for a year can't wish back. Also being in an alternate universe might be a problem. He could always go to new namek in his future. If he can find it.

Is Super worth watching? I thought the Beerus and Frieza movies were meh.

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>>144019446
If you already watched the movies, you can just start from episode 28.

Or if you want to watch the "in-between" episodes, watch episodes 1-2, 15-18, then 28+.

The show has been getting pretty good, especially with the recent arc. I'd say it's worth watching now.

>>144019662
Purple purple purple Black with purple ki

They really like purple

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>>144019749
> Black with purple ki

But his ki is black, not purple...

>>144013567
That was a pretty glaring fuckup for KenXyro though.

His problems are normally just minor grammatical issues. Like insisting on using "that guy" instead of he/him.

>Black is not Oob
>Black is not Goten
eh

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>>144016025
>another training happens
>Trunks trains with vegeta
>later on he comes out with long hair again back with his gains

I would literally forgive and suck Toe's dick fi they does this.

>>144020973
>vegeta training trunks
>both become ssj3

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>Q: Why is SSB blue?

>Toriyama: "First I was going to have it be white, but that would clash with the 'next enemy', so I saved it for later."
Was Toriyama talking about Kaioshin Zamasu?

Also does this mean Tori was planning this villain since RoF?

>Vegeta going "Unforgivable" as he enters the Gravity Room

He's totally pissed that a Kakarott killed his waifu, right?

>>144021035
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfZaOPzbyK8
>Its basically another sequence of Ftrunks transforming into ssj3 until he gets all buff and shit

They better do it

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>>144021084
>sees you future son who made him actually care for family return beaten and bruise and his future destroyed AGAIN
Vegeta is now a family man and he wants to beat someone up

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>>144021035
>>144021147

> both become ssj3

Or maybe Vegeta can teach Trunks something actually useful, like controlling god ki?

SS3 depletes your ki so much to the point where it's useless.

>>144016025
>Ep 54 - "Inheritors of Saiyan Blood: Trunks' Resolve"
Trunks banging Mai?

>>144021396
Episode summary states that Vegeta will be training Trunks.

No Mai banging here.

>>144021433
isn't that basically just vegeta beating the shit out of Ftrunks

>tfw even in training kid trunks gets cucked

>Vegeta will train Trunks
>Trunks will achieve SSB
>Goku saves the day at the end of the arc by probably achieving some new form or some shit

Why even bother.

>>144021546

>"Y-You moron! How dare you come back here with tail between your legs!?"
>"But Dad, I don't have any tail!"
>"Shut up! Your mother died and you just ran!?"

It's some family quality time I want.

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>>144021433
Sex is also training~<3

>>144007802
>Being cucked by your future self
That must be very weird.

Just a question, why was Vegeta so pissed about on that Goku wants to train scene that he went off and mumbled how he won't forget about what just happened?

>>144005068
He's the Goku from Goku's future where Goku was killed by Goku, but was revived when Guko found the Goku Balls and brought them to King Goku, who used his Goku magic to bring about the Goku that would grant them three wishes, but they evidently backfired when three of the same Gokus were brought to life, resulting in one of them killing the other two, and the resulting trauma of killing himself caused the Goku to fill everyone else in Goku world and travel through time and space to the present time.

>>144021433
Kid Trunks could put his little weeny in Loli Mai as a side plot. I'm guessing that will be the "Pilaf plot" of this arc anyway.

>Karin is dead, so no more senzu bean

At least they bothered to shoot down speculations.

>cat deity is no more in future

>>144021810
Loli Mai wants the Mirai-D, anon.

>>144011379
Maybe it's just that in the future Goku achieves true godhood and uses it to destroy the universe. This would explain him popping in and out of every timeline without a care.

>>144021905

>in one alternate universe, Goku was smart enough to evaluate that humans should be eradicated

Haha, no. He clearly indicated his body as if it's a foreign object. In short, someone possessed the future Goku's corpse.

>>144021729
> why was Vegeta so pissed about on that Goku

It might be because he killed his wife in the future?

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Who would win?

Cell having the regeneration + zenkai combo should make him pretty OP.

Especially now considering he has the DNA to use SSG/SSB or Freeza's golden forme.

>>144021853
Kid Trunks is going to make her love him, wether she likes it or not!

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Black = SS2 Goku (post-SSG)

I guess this proves that a villain can be interesting, even without abnormally large strength and "stronger than the previous villain just because".

>>144018251

>Red Herring

Damn, It was a difficult name to adapt to spanish, so they had to settle for "El Pelirrojo", but now I get it.

Clever, Hanna-Barbera.

I'm making my way through Super at the moment to catch up but I was trying to recall something in DBZ regarding the Buu saga, since Dende is protector of Earth and stuff did he even sense Buu? I can't remember a scene where he sensed him or Babidi's ki or not.

Also since there are seven universes what if there are seven Super Saiyan Gods? Goku is red, Broly is green, Black in Trunk's timeline will be the black bend, etc. You see where I'm going with this.

>>144023403
that's his base form right?

Imagine if he can go super

>>144014183
Dragonball Super is essentially GT2 aka Goku Time 2: Electric Boogaloo

>>144016025
>implying SSJ2 Future Trunks is even in the same league as SSJGSSJBGDeviantArt Omega Blue Goku and Vegeta
>implying SSJ3 is even in the same league as SSJGSSJBGDeviantArt Omega Blue Goku and Vegeta
anon pls...

>The Trunks and eternal loli Mai scenes.

well the doujins just write themselves don't they?

>>144016013
>Vegeta is pissed off at his son for running away and at Goku for seeing him as a second rate training partner - will likely train like a madman

Didn't Vegeta say that fighting each other in training wouldn't help them become stronger? It was his idea.

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>>144019446
Skip The Battle of the Gods redux arc, skip Persian Frieza redux arc, watch the original character do not steal fight, laugh, then skip the U6 arc and start at the neo-Future Trunks arc.

>>144017870
>"Yo, just saying, you should totally fight again."?
This is what actually nigger fans believe about DB.

>>144021035
>Vegeta
>become SSJ3
Why would he ever waste his time trying to do that when he can already transform into something much more powerful than SSJ3?

>>144023512
> Also since there are seven universes

There are 12

> what if there are seven Super Saiyan Gods?

Only Universe 6 and 7 have Saiyans. And Trunks's future timeline is still Universe 7.

>>144024140

I'm enjoying the SOL moments a little, it's not so bad currently though I've only watched about three episodes, considering I watched DBZ in English and now I watch pretty much all my anime in Japanese it's taking some time getting used to the voices, Goku I'm already used too since I've seen a bunch of Leiji Matsumoto stuff before.

>Videl's Japanese seiyuu
It's really boner inducing, Gohan is a very lucky man, I don't blame him for not wanting to get killed and retire peacefully.

>>144024243

Oh right, was wondering whether Trunk's universe is still considered a part of Universe 6 or 7 or not.

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>>144023804
> aka Goku Time 2: Electric Boogaloo

I think you mean Goku and Vegeta time.

And maybe Future Trunks too.

Why is Goku literally japanese Superman?

>>144022879
cell, cellgames ssj goku beat broly, and goku was weaker then cell so let alone super perfect cell.

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I'd be happy if Vegeta trains Trunks and Goku trains with Gohan again. Maybe this arc will be a bit like the cell arc in that sense.

Who knows we might get Trunks and Gohan going SSB. Trunks will convince Gohan to fight by telling him how he was like in his timeline and how we wanted to save everyone and died for him. I can see Gohan finding resolve as well and training.

The strongest will make his comeback just wait guys.

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Isn't Goku Black basically rip off of Bbaby Vegeta? They have the same motive saiyans fucked over baby much like how "humans" fucked over Goku Black.
>goku back will have a ssj transformation with white hair and will match baby vegeta's white hair

>>144016013
>>Trunks might convince Gohan to fight again

My god, when will Gohanfags ever learn? His time in the spotlight is over, his character development is finished. He is a full family man now, a Saiyan that prefers to study. LET IT GO ALREADY.

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>>144024849
> Isn't Goku Black basically rip off of Baby Vegeta?
No

> They have the same motive
No they don't

> saiyans fucked over baby much like how "humans" fucked over Goku Black.
We don't know that.

Do you think Vegeta would more than likely pass up the chance to rule Universe 7's equivalent of Planet Vegeta?

>>144024849

Black could be an homage to Baby from GT, he probably took the form of Goku to make it very hard for surviving loved ones to even remotely attack him, more of a psychological thing.

Also if Black is Goten then I've noticed an interesting contrast with Future Trunks, considering Trunks uses science to time travel and Black uses magic.

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>>144024849
>implying he'll be as graceful as Black

Then if he is then I take Black all day than babby vegeta

someone post webms of black

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>>144025439

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>>144025439
I want one of his bullet catching.

>>144026030
pls make this a gif

>>144026494
>gif
>not webm
I want the poorfags to die

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Will there be a new DB movie? It seems silly for Toei/Fox to NOT want one.

Resurrection F teased on July 15th, and Battle of Gods was teased on July 7th.

Maybe we'll get an announcement soon enough?

>>144010713
So if Black is causing such a ruckus, where is Future Beerus and Future Whis?

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where my black niggas at?

>>144027134
Consider this - in Future Trunks' timeline Goku died long ago, so Future Beerus would have never had the dream/prophecy about a SSJ God.

He may very well just still be asleep, or not give a shit about what Black does to Earth.

>>144010713
confirmed ningen hater

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>after this arc is goes back to non-serious arcs for the rest of the series

part of the reason black seems so threatening is how jarring he is from the rest of dragonball super

>>144027355

>posting a 9gag tier meme image

kill yourself

>>144014183
>Trunks is a cool character with a cool backstory but by hardcapping him at SSJ2
Vegeta is hardcapped at SSJ2 too. Whats the issue? SSJ2 Vegeta is even stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

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>>144027641
sorry i only have dog images

>>144005068
Then why didn't he do shit against Frieza or Cold?

>>144006675
>Do we even know if quarter bloods can go super?
Pan says hello. Goku said she could go SSJ.

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Dragonball peaked at the saiyan saga and has never managed to reach those heights ever again

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why is she so perfect?

>>144027824
Also Goku jr.

>>144017853
Buu is a trillion times more powerful than Trunks SSJ2. In fact Black might have a similar powerlevel to Buu.

>>144027699
He has a specific problem with humanity from what we've seen so far. I don't think Frieza means much to him. Also, Frieza and Cold are dead in the moral timeline.

>>144027869
>saiyan saga
>not King Piccolo saga

>>144007742
>>144007828
Frieza's race were terrorizing the universe before humans did shit. And before them Majin Buu killed just for giggles and shit. Yet no one did anything, the worst thing humans have done in DB was to create the androids and Cell and in U6 they killed themselves. All the bad things they did only affected them alone. Sorry, but I hope there is a better explanation.

>>144013982
We don't know if Black is Zamasu yet, we just know they're related because of similar ki. It could be a Kami/Piccolo situation for all we know.

>>144028145
Comparing Z/GT/Super to the original series is cheating!

>>144014105
>Remember, base Goku is now canonically superior to the powered up final form frieza
Someday you will have to use yoyr brain and accept this no longer works in Super. Goku has god ki when the writters need it, otherwise he just use normal ki.

>>144014183
Honestly I just hope they keep Vegeta out of this arc completely. He's had enough screentime by the end of U6 now to be included in any more important events. Goku is the main character so he's a different story, but I do hope Trunks gets the kill as you say.

>>144028145

Pffttt, King Piccolo saga wasn't even the best part in the original show. The final world tournament was.

Both didn't hold a candle to the arc that completely opened up the db universe, gave us vegeta, had every z-fighter get their moment.

>>144014183
Welcome to the reality of Super. Just drop it like I am planning to do when Trunks' arc ends or enjoy eating shit.

>>144028425

I really want trunks to get the kill too. This arc is his only chance to matter, probably!

Black will lose to friendship
>gets stronger everytime
>beats everyone up
>the mention of him being lonely and having no friends really hits him hard
>he becomes nice
>stops using goku's image

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>>144028425
> yfw monaka kills black in the end

>>144016013
Vegeta is clearly pissed at Black for killing Bulma, in my opinion. He's being supportive of Trunks and said he would never forgive

>him

Just before training

why is kid mai's skin a weird pork-like pink color? Is she white?

>>144028536
The only way for Trunks to get the kill is for the writers to retcon all of the previous arcs that happened so far in Super or pull some serious bullshit out their asses

>>144015351
different timelines, different hell

>>144028614

or

>Trunks and Vegeta enter the hyperbolic time chamber for a day

>>144028425
>Vegeta not participating in a show where if you aren't Goku or Vegeta you ain't shit

>>144015116
>Gohan is fucking done. Its over,. This show is shit
It is kind of true. They seem like they are going to make fun of Saiyaman which is criminal in my eyes, great Saiyaman a best. Then Gohan is going to wish luck for Trunks and return to his books while his friend and possibly the universes, and for logic his family, are going to be in danger.

>>144028536
I agree that Trunks should get the kill, but even if he doesn't at least it's now canon that he Solo'd the entire Buu arc simply by not being an idiot

Future Trunks may not be anywhere near the strongest or most important character, but he is easily the most competent

>>144028684
people have a hard time admitting that vegeta is the secondary protagonist of dragonball S

>>144028179
Well, Black possibly saw humans doing even worse things in the future as a malevolent race, I mean they already created Cell. Frieza and King Cold are just one family of frost demons. Buu has been around since the beginning of time and seems like a force of nature.

If ningen meant mortal beings then the universe would be empty when Black is done with it. He also specifically called them the gods' greatest mistake.

He didn't extend that hatred to saiyans when he encountered them either. Far more likely that he has a problem with humans.

>>144009727
>literally a sadist
>literally a genocidal maniac

Literally me

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>>144015210
In my dreams.

>>144028601
she is pure

>>144028799

you might be the baddies

>>144028425
>keep Vegeta out of this arc
>Vegeta
>literally of one of most important main characters in the show since the Namek saga
Anon pls

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>>144015210

Not gay, but why is Black more handsome than Goku?

>>144015749
>>144016004
Why are tge writters so afraid to include anyone else but Goku and Vegeta in the plot? They have to make him look like a coward to stay in his house without a care in the world. This isn't Gohan. But whatever.

>>144009803
Spoken like a true hipster

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>>144028946
He has style
He has grace
He has that smug look on his face

>>144028946

>not gay

bend over anon and we'll find out

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>>144016013
>This is the best arc since fucking Cell.

>>144023095
Doujin when?

>>144028939
to make matters worse Trunks goes SSJ2 shortly afterwards after fighting Dabura for about 5 seconds

>>144005068
Well, what if Zamasu himself is being manipulated?

>>144029097
He got training from Supreme Kai, though.

I'm actually really glad that Funi hasn't been subbing DBS, because it forces fansub groups (who have basically been dead since 2013) to come out and make their own subs again for a popular show.

No forced localization terms and it encourages fansubs again. Thank you deadbeat Funi.

>>144016013
Seriously I think 90+% of the reason is that the villain of this arc is yet another goddamn Goku clone.

At least Baby Vegeta had a different design.

>>144028978
Gohan wants to actually be there as a father for his kid. Considering what his own childhood was like, you can't blame him.

He's expressed interest in training again so at least he won't completely fall behind, what more do you want him to do? He'd have to bust his ass and do nothing but train every day for years in order to catch up to Goku and Vegeta, and by then they'd already be on a new level so he'd still be behind.

And in doing so he wouldn't be able to spend any time with his growing daughter or wife, and would have to completely neglect his scholarly duties which he obviously values more than fighting

Gohan never liked fighting
He got a lifetime's worth of trauma from Namek alone
Let the man relax with his family

>>144024690
I want FTrunks to train with Gohan again instead.

>>144029210
Black has a 100 quadrillion times the personality that Baby had.

>Goku can't beat black
>Trunks tries to fight him, but gets btfo
>Gohan watches powerless to do anything
>Whis and Beerus mocks Gohan about becoming weak
>Gohan unleashes his potential and defeats Black
>Whis and Beerus have another fighter in the 12 universe tournament

>>144029386
With a design that's been done infinitely more times

>>144026929
I hope we get another Trunks movie

>>144005182
The villain versions of iconic heroes typically tend to be based. Just look at Superman in the Injustice comics.

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>>144029339
Gohan's time has passed. Put your chips on the new hybrid that even Goku wants to see succeed.

>>144029458
>Gohan unleashes his potential and gets defeated by Black anyway
>Just another day in Dragonball

Fixed

>>144029461
Aside from looking far more stylish than the whole... one other time it's been done? (In a movie, no less?)

>>144017870
You are right with Trunks, but you are wrong with Gohan. He is a justice lover, if he knows Trunks is in trouble he will offer his help and considering Trunks had no problems telling a little girl she was killed in the future, I doubt Trunks will keep his mouth shut.

>>144029604
Stop mocking Gohan, please.

>>144029671
Gohan has been Krillin-tier since the Cell saga

>>144028614
Good. Hope they do that.

Mystic was an asspull too, Trunks should get something in the same vein.

>>144019446
Meh tier.

>>144029642
Bardock
Turles
Goten
Goku Jr

It's too much; I don't think this semen slurping fanfiction arc is for me

>>144029733
Gohanfags can't even reply to someone right.

>>144029004
Why is Black so GODDAMN SEXY? Why does Toei give him so much attention compared to all the other cardboard cutouts of the cast?

>>144029760
Ah I see

you are just shitposting

>>144021053
Tori and Toei planned this arc when the anime started.

>>144019446
If you didn't like the Beerus and Frieza movies then the rest of Super probably won't do much for you either, since the tone is kind of the same.

You should probably skip the Beerus/Frieza retelling and just start watching at the Universe 6 tournament - it's good

New arc is looking good too

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>>144029717
>Cell saga
Nah, he was pretty GOAT during the Buu saga until "We have to appease the Goku crowd" started throwing a hissy fit. Ultimate Gohan was peak dragon ball for me. Right up there with Goku v Piccolo fight, the first tournament, Goku v Vegeta and Goku v Freeza (before super saiyan).

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>>144029210
> yet another goddamn Goku clone.

Are we really counting "movie-filler" Turles, and Ginyu's body switching?

Also did they ever explain why Turles looks like Goku?

>>144005068
Looks like Black has a racoon tail in this image.

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>>144021376
>You can have god ki if you wished it hard enough.

>>144030015
Zamasu did it

>>144029974
Definitely one of the best fights in the series. It was cool to see Gohan being cocky and actually excited to kick some ass.

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>>144030015
And Goten and Goku jr

One is his son (should this even count as well?), and a GT creation.

>>144030015
>Also did they ever explain why Turles looks like Goku?

No. A lot of speculation and bullshit about low-class saiyans looking similar to each other but we know that's not the case.

>>144024690
Not happening, anon. Vegeta is the only one that cares about his sons.

>>144030015
>Also did they ever explain why Turles looks like Goku?
lower grades look the same?

Is Black going to die from the heart disease soon?

>>144028134
He said he fights for JUSTICE, Frieza's actions are bad in every shape.

>>144028795
Killing planets and selling them is worse than everything humans have done. They only killed themselves with the androids.

>>144030323
Well Frieza is already dead in the Mirai timeline by the time Black shows up. He wouldn't have to deal with him since future Goku killed him and King Cold.

Again, seems like he only has a problem with humanity for some unknown reason as of yet. He didn't talk down to saiyans like he did to humans.

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>>144030030
> You can have god ki if you wished it hard enough

Sure let's ignore Whis's brutal training, as well as the training to keep your ki from "leaking".

>>144030439
Frieza is just one frost demon out of a species that wasn't that violent. Frieza and King Cold are extraordinarily strong and mean by the standards of their race. Frost is probably the same way.

Black probably just thinks all of humanity is trash instead of a few exceptions.

>>144030030

It worked for Vegeta.

>>144029339
Gohan doesn't have any trauma. His trauma is to see how his love ones die with him unable to fight back. Which Super will contradict if Gohan doesn't offer his help to Trunks. Gohan isn't a coward, he isn't afraid to die or to be harmed as long as he protects his planet and friends.

>>144030617
See

>>144030497

Even Goku, despite having a taste of god ki through the SSG Ritual, still had to train with Whis to master it.

>>144029604
Just like Vegeta.

>>144030015

Turles was probably one of Bardock's bastards. Gine wasn't always within arms' reach and a man can get lonely.

>>144029787
Aren't you projecting? Or are you a Superfag?

>>144030300
stop

>>144030978
go

>>144005068
Goku could have killed Black in the blink of an eye. Useless arc.

>>144021729
>start training with Goku for quite sometime
>at tournament, believes to be at Goku's level
>Goku turns out to be 10x stronger
>btw, some guy who looks just like Goku killed your waifu

>>144031049
delete this

>>144030497
>>144030617
>>144030700
The only brutal thing about that training was to be Beerus' maid with a pink appron while Kakatot gets the blue one. Watch DB to see a real training.
>Ki something, something.
At that point it was obvious Toei didn't know what excuse to use to justificate Vegeta getting bluw hair.
They could say all the Saiyans that participated in the ritual gainef the god ki, but they needed to train to certain level to be able to use it.

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>>144022879

Did Gohan go SS2 against Broly in Movie 10?

If not, Cell's stronger.

>>144031081
When are people going to realize that Goku just doesn't give a fuck

If there is a simple solution to a problem that doesn't involve him getting to fight a strong person he is not going to use that solution, ever

How can Bra be such an incredible slut at 8 YEARS old?

Hell, even Pan is a pretty big slut when you consider she's fucking 9 and already trying to get dicked, she's eclipsed by queen slut of slut mountain.

>>144031276
what if broccoli came back stronger in movie 10

>>144031300
Maybe it's a saiyan thing

Bra's got more saiyan blood so she's sluttier

>>144026929
They're making enough with the series that they honestly don't even have to do a movie right now

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>>144031283
remember this move

>>144031453
Yes but they should anyway. DBZ had movies while the manga and anime were running too.

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>>144031233
> The only brutal thing about that training was to be Beerus' maid with a pink appron

Do you not remember Whis making Goku/Vegeta lift incredibly heavy weights that they had problems just lifting, then run a lap around Beerus's planet with it?

And if you were too slow, you'd die with no afterlife?

This is in addition to Whis's other training like "hit me if you can", or trapped in a room where you can't move unless you keep your ki from leaking.

>>144014848
You're not funny.

>>144031522
Because that was the norm for shounen adaptations. Not so much these days. Also since Super is anime-original, they're already sort of spread pretty thin in the story department

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>>144030295
This so fucking hard. It sucks even more because we "grew up" with Gohan and saw how he changed and became more powerful and confident in himself.

He was so fucking badass when he came up to super buu and kicked his ass with a smirk on his face without losing his cool. That slightly arrogant look suited him. Then they just completely fuck him over last second so Goku is relevant.

It pisses me off to no end to see Toei or Toriyama waste Gohan after spending so much on developing him only to throw him to one side. It's not even about being a Gohan fag its just consistency ffs. When you have multiple characters and even yourself state that he has the most latent potential out of any of the characters and is the strongest unfused character then why the fuck do you treat him like shit.

I pray he doesn't get neglected here and will train with Trunks/Goku to find some resolve and become the badass he was meant to be.

>>144031543
Goku did that with Roshi. The only special thing they did was restrain their ki, which means keeping it at zero level, thing they do all the time when they want to hide. Seriously Toei doesn't know what excuse to use, because I doubt Toriyama bothered to think about it in the first place.

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>>144031492
God damn that really is the best example

I mean if people don't understand who Goku is after that page, they never will

He was going to let Frieza just walk away like nothing happened
Didn't finish Buu off when he had the chance so that the kids could have a try

The list really goes on and on

Goku ultimately doesn't give a shit about dying, he's been dead before and it was fun for him. I think the problem he runs into is that he's retarded so he keeps forgetting that other people DO care about dying.

>>144031821
>thing they do all the time when they want to hide

It never goes to zero when they hide.

>>144024849

Isn't everything basically a rip-off of something else?

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>>144031747
Anon. Give up. Put your chips on someone even Goku wants to succeed.

>>144031747
>and kicked his ass with a smirk on his face without losing his cool. That slightly arrogant look suited him.
Wasn't this the problem? Much like Goku's flaw is his tendency to never go all out and let his guard down, Gohan's fatal flaw in combat is that he gets too overconfident once he gets the upper hand which leads to serious mistakes

Why do Gohanfags think Gohan will do ANYTHING of note in this arc? Next weeks episode is the only time you're going to see him before he fucks off for another 20 episodes only to feature in more Pan filler.

>>144032110
Yeah, Buu only absorbed Gotenks because Gohan was a moron.

>>144029974
>he was pretty GOAT in the Buu saga

For all of like 3 pages you faggot

>>144031081
Nice headcanon dumbass

>>144031982
Which is funny Akira apparently didn't like GT and yet he tole some ideas from it.

>>144032315
Toriyama's never given a single opinion on GT whatsoever

>>144032315
stole*

I doubt Toriyama watched most of GT.

>>144031081
>Goku goes Blue
>Black becomes God Tier
Nice job faggot. You made the villain even more unstoppable. Are you Vegeta?

whis? More like grease hahahahah

>>144032229
Seriously this is Gohan's progression in Buu saga (manga-wise)

-School shenanigans/GUREITO SAIYAMAN
-Get one match in the tournament before getting ki jacked
-Go against Dabura and can't beat him as quick as he was supposed to
-Go against Fat Boo and get near-killed
-SIT ON HIS ASS FOR A GOOD 3 TANKOBONS OF CONTENT to get a third level of unlocked potential (I think Toriayama wasn't really sure what to do with Gohan)
-Become Ultimate, gets to haul ass for two chapters before getting rekt
-Drop a Potara
-Get absorbed and die

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>>144032110
>>144032142

And Gohan got too cocky against Cell, and ended up making him even more powerful.

>>144032110
Yeah I know but that was still him learning. No doubt he would have learnt and improved. In fact they could have kept Goku relevant that way by making Gohan live up to his potential but needing Goku to help him with his attitude.

It never should have come down to Gohan being completely fobbed off to the sidelines.

>>144032422
>-SIT ON HIS ASS FOR A GOOD 3 TANKOBONS OF CONTENT
You fucker, you owe me a new pair of sides

>>144031492
Only retard here is you senpai that didn't shit, Gohan still curbstomped Cell.

>>144031712
>Not so much these days
Naruto gets a new movie a year and One Piece Film: Gold is coming out next week. Even Toei with how cheap they are, still makes movies all the time.

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>>144032315
> yet Toriyama stole some ideas from GT.

Babby Vegeta is nothing like Black you retard

>>144032110
>>144032142
>>144032429
But this makes him more relatable. He's not the perfect superhero that Goku is but has very human flaws. It would have been better to watch him mature as the strongest and make very human mistakes.

>>144032544
If Goku's a perfect superhero, then why couldn't he stop Cell?

>>144032544
>He's not the perfect superhero that Goku is but has very human flaws
What.
Toei, get out.

>>144032544
Goku doesn't kill Black instantly and there's tons of shitposting. Gohan doesn't kill Cell when Goku tells him to, and then repeats the same fucking mistake against Super Buu. Gohan is a retard.

>>144032544
>perfect superhero that Goku is

>>144032544
>Gohanfags are this pathetic

>>144032638
>Goku doesn't kill Black instantly and there's tons of shitposting.
See this >>144032389

>>144032544
>but this makes him more relatable

Fuck off you Gohanfags cancer, this is why Toriyama hates your shitty self-insert character and fucked him off for good

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JUST

>>144005068
inb4 all humans in other universes have either destroyed themselves or damaged their universes in some way

>>144031276
Even if he had Gone SSJ2 Gohan at that point in time was much weaker than he was against Cell.
Therefore SPCell is likely stronger than Broly.

>>144032474
Because those are ongoing shounen. Modern days new productions don't do the movie thing. And again, right now, Toei probably does not see the need to with the brand already being stronger than ever

>>144005068
Maybe he's some evil kai or some shit

>>144033064
>Because those are ongoing shounen
Anon...

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Screencap this.

Humans messed up with time travel too much and the result was that Zamasu's universe was destroyed but he fused with Goku because of (asspull reason but most likely forced Potara) and now that he somehow survived his universe's demise, he roams other universes exacting vengeance upon humans because in his mind, they are evil creatures who will only lead to the destruction of the universe they inhabit.

This entire arc has been about time traveling and its consequences so this is how it will go down basically.

>>144033198
What I mean is they're ongoing shounen from a time when they would get movies. They are also adaptations, unlike Super, which is all anime original

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>>144033189
>evil

Specifically wanting to exterminate humanity (due to what is probably a perceived injustice commited by the human race) isn't nearly as evil a motive compared to other what Dragon Ball villains want.

>>144032593
goku would have destroyed cell if he tried during the cell games

>implying he could only turn ssj 1

>>144032389
Great headcanon blackfag

>>144032593
Because it's a manga for 10 years old boy

>>144033403
So he's a moderately bad kai, I can live with that

>>144033403
Yeah seriously, at least Black seems to be doing this for what he perceives as a good reason, and he clearly knows something the rest of our characters don't. I think him having so many cliche "evil" features is all to set us up for the twist that he's actually somewhat sympathetic.

by comparison Frieza's entire goal was to become immortal just so he could continue being a murderous tyrannical cunt for all eternity