What's the best timeloop story? What's the worst

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Best is pretty obvious. Worst? I don't really finish bad shows, so I'm just gonna say re:zero since it's the first one that comes to mind.

best:
Spirit Circle or Steins Gate

worst:
either Noin or Mirai nikki

Anything with Timeloop stories are shit and badly written. It is just a way for consequences to be removed in the story?

>oh i fucked up, better go back and redo it

I guess All You Zombies. Never read it but the movie Predestination is based on that, and that's the best time travel story I've seen thus far

Worst....I guess the current series 12 Monkeys is a contender, since it got into "mumbo jumbo we can't comprehend it just like magic" territory...at least it did that when I dropped it.

For anime. I guess Steins;Gate, but that doesn't mean much. Compared to Predestination, it's time travel mechanics are shit.

Worst...idk.

>>143822002
Stories with actual causality timeloops usually use that mechanic to make a mystery out of what happend. So it becomes more like a mystery than an adventure

Best: Tatami Galaxy or Stein's Gate
Worst: Bleach

>>143822142
What the fuck is Kubo doing now?

>>143822039
is it the bartender bullcrap I read on /x/

>>143822175
Timeloops, apparently

>>143821756
Endless Eight

Endless Eight

>>143822039
Predestination was literally shit film, jesus, never visit tv with such a shitty taste.

>>143822107
That shit only works in vidya or something.

Would be horrible in anime form.

Steins;Gate, Higurashi

All of them, especially Re:zero and Zero Time Dilemma

>>143822268
Where is the difference regarding this subject? Why do you think it would be horrible? Some of the mystery in Stein;Gate was based on that and I think it worked very well

>>143821756
>best
Groundhog day

>worst
Endless eight

>>143822889
>best
>Groundhog day

While the...consequences were amazing, the actual time travel was on par with the most stupid mechanics out there. Nothing explained or hinted at. Kepps being unexplored and is pretty arbitrary

Will people get trigered if I say steins;gate is the best?

>>143822264
This

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>>143822002
wrong

>>143822623
SG was pretty shit from the writing aspect. The time resets negate character progression as well as remove the consequences from characters actions. Then there is the futility of fixing things in the infinite parallel universes model. Not to mention that the show contradicts its own logic at the end by having love transcend universes.

>>143824043
Yeah sure. I don't disagree with that. But these are all time travel, not timeloop aspects. That is used different concepts in the first place was stupid as fuck....reminds me of Homestuck

The timeloop in SG was mainly the Kurisu death prevention plan

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F/HA a best
>best Fate
>best timeloop
>best SoL
>best characters
>best grail war

>>143821929
Tatami is not a time loop.

>>143822264
Best timeloop that can be watched in any order except for the last and first loop,

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>no Maria

>>143825717
>Endless Eight
>watched
Sorry, it can only be read.

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>>143821756
>>143825917
This one is pretty good.

>>143826469
>LN
>good
Pick one.

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Kimi no na wa.

>>143825917
>>143826469
I came in this thread just to make sure it was posted.

>>143825917
>>143826469
>>143827158
The best volunes weren't timeloop shit focused though fags, aka volume 4,5 and 6.

twelve monkeys and groundhog day
nothing in anime surpass them

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>>143822264
>he's never turned endless eight into endless 88 by watching the six middle episodes over and over and over on shuffle.

Best: Mawaru Penguindrum
think about it or is it 2deep4u?

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Are nips even trying anymore?

>ITT: we try to be contrarian to a niche genre that hasn't been fully used by the nips
Stay classy, /a/.

>>143822002

>I haven't watched more than 2 anime involving timeloops.

>>143824043

The movie is not canon and neither is the OVA. Good time travel shows establish clear rules about the concept that are not broken later which S;G does fairly well. Your complaints make it seem like you didn't play the VN.

>>143824043

>parallel universes

Read the VN before coming up with faulty criticisms.

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>>143827980
>>143828047
>VN
>the porn game did it better
OK haters of good taste I will tell you again why SG will never be a noteworthy piece of fiction.
>The time resets negate character progression as well as remove the consequences from characters actions

And another thing, the retorts you believe are ingenious comebacks are actually you excusing bullshit with more bullshit.

>>143825917
bang bang

>>143827686
this movie is fucking shit.
get out nigga

>>143827686
They can try all they want, nothing can beat Primer.

>>143822346
Zero Time Dilemma is timeloops..... This is infuriating

>>143828783

>VN
>porn game

This just confirms the fact you haven't played the VN which means that my next explanation won't have much context to you.

>The time resets negate character progression as well as remove consequences

Whose character progression are we caring about here? Who is the protagonist? As for side characters, we get to explore a bit more about their interactions with themselves and each other. The way they act in those various situations portrays character qualities that are not somehow negated just because of a time loop or time travel. They are still the same characters they were. The entire point of S;G was focused on the consequences of time travel and toying with a power like that, so I don't understand how you think there were no consequences. I mean, fucking Steins;Gate 0 is coming out soon which goes into full detail about just how much Okabe had to pay for his meddling.

>>143829475
An adaptation has to stand on it's own and is also judged as such. If the source has done something differently that's not an excuse for the adaptation's problems.

If you can fix your past mistakes by making it so that they never happened you effectively don't face the consequences your actions might have had. The MC of SG didn't face the consequences of his time travel fuck ups he simply undid everything.

>>143830000
Welp there goes the thread

>>143830000

>The MC of SG didn't face the consequences of his time travel fuck ups he simply undid everything.

How much do you even know about the SciAdv series here? Do you know what Steins;Gate 0 is about? Sure an adaptation has to judge on its own, and as an anime adaptation of a VN S;G is faithful for the most part except in chapter 9. Both the adaptation and the source clearly explain in the end how it was not a free happy ending where he undoes everything via deus ex machina. "I had to fail once." In order for the video d-mail to reach him in the Beta worldline, he had to fail once and allow for the events of S;G 0 to play out before being able to reach himself again at that time. If you're going to criticize, you really should understand the mechanics and chronology of the series first.

Or you know, just read the fucking VN.

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You know, I've been going through Madoka again for the first time in like 2 years and I think it does an excellent job of this. It's been really cool going through again after knowing the twist and seeing just how heavily they foreshadow Homura's backstory every time she's on screen. VN Steins;Gate might be my favorite though.

>>143824043
>>143828783
>time resets negate character progression
Not Okabe. He's just about broken by the game's finish because of all that bullshit he was put through. I'd argue that the game is almost exclusively focused on Okabe's growth rather than everyone else, considering a major theme of the game is that you're sacrificing each of your friends' ideal realities so that you can reach one where Mayuri and Kurisu survive (or not, depending on who you choose). Even from an anime-only standpoint, the endless repetition alone progresses the hell out of Okabe's character, so I don't really understand where you're coming from

>>143824486
This is also pretty high up for me, if only for the comfiness of the SoL

>>143825917
Thanks for reminding me to continue with this. I need to start Volume 2.

Not anime but the best is Divine Cybermancy.

>>143830057
Not really. A closed time loop doesn't have this problem. I rarely see that in anime though. The only example I know of would be Birdy the Mighty DECODE 2

>>143830152
>>143830154
At the end of the day everything was perfectly fixed thanks to time travel and not real consequences needed to be faced apart form MC's imaginary ones which don't seem to be severe from what I remember about the last episode.

>>143830877

>and not real consequences needed to be faced apart form MC's imaginary ones

1. Steins;Gate 0 is quite literally the "real consequences" he needed to face in order to have "everything perfectly fixed". You seem to be confusing the use of time travel mechanics as somehow automatically invalidating a character's experiences despite Okabe's growth and retained memories being the focus on the story. As if the existence of a happy ending means that everything went perfectly and there was no cost.

2. So personal experiences and psychological issues are just "imaginary ones" that don't really matter? By that kind of logic there's tons of characters with no real consequences or problems.

Higurashi was pretty bad. Time loops for the sake of visiting different VN routes is always terrible.
Stiens;Gate was pretty bad. It didn't really add anything to time travel fiction and the characters were all super shallow. It didn't really add anything to parallel world fiction either.
Clannad's time travel was superfluous. It arguably ruined the story.
Haruhi was terrible because of the time loops. I didn't need to see the same episode 8 times.
Madoka was great because of the effect it had on the characters.
Re: Zero is looking good so far. Too much like Edge of Tomorrow though, so nothing has really been added to time travel. Though his power does seem precarious: Edge of Tomorrow was more open to suicide restarts. Also character motivations are shit in Re Zero.


As for non-anime:
Predestination was good because it was hard to predict due to a sex change. It had the same start at the end theme that S;G tried, but actually pulled it off.
The time traveler's wife was great because it explored precognition and non-chronological relationships.
Groundhog Day was good because it explored continuous time looping. It's a bit of a cliche now though.
Butterfly effect was good because explored the possibility of things becoming worse due to time travel. Though it went too far in that regard.
Also Doctor Who was great, especially during the time of the 11th doctor. Everything has been covered in Doctor Who at some point.

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You didn't specify in anime, so Stargate SG-1's Window of Oppurtunity is the best.

>>143830877
>At the end of the day everything was perfectly fixed thanks to time travel and not real consequences needed to be faced
Yea I had real problems with this. Okabae and Kurisu's relationship was supposed to roll back, but the trust they had gained never went away.

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>>143830877
>MC's imaginary ones
I know this is repeated to almost memetastic degrees here, but you really should read the VN. While Okabe's instabilities are definitely shown in the anime, they're not highlighted quite as intensely as the VN, if only because VNs are much better suited to show a character's thoughts in a natural way. He becomes genuinely unhinged the more and more loops he goes through. Mayuri's repeated deaths in particular are one of the aspects that are much better represented in the VN

Also what was the deal with the timeloop in DECODE? It's been forever since I've seen it, and I can only really remember from the second season that Birdy's childhood friend ended up being the final boss

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>>143831381

>It didn't really add anything to time travel fiction and the characters were all super shallow. It didn't really add anything to parallel world fiction either.
>Madoka was great because of the effect it had on the characters.
> It didn't really add anything to parallel world fiction either.
>great because of the effect it had on the characters.

>>143831506

>but the trust they had gained never went away.

At the end of episode 24, all she wanted to do was thank the person who saved her life. Pretty sure that instills a deep sense of gratitude and trust to the person who did that for you. The trust they'd had from Okabe's time looping experiences isn't there. It's just that the base for a relationship is still present.

And let me guess, you're another person who doesn't know about Steins;Gate 0?

>>143831362
>Steins;Gate 0 is quite literally the "real consequences"
But that make the main time line a pyrrhic victory. I don't see a reason way there should be a since of achievement if the characters suffer horrible fates in countless timelines but in one.

>>143831913
It's a closed time loop. Time is linear, there is only one universe, but at one point the time traveller (birdy's boyfriend) goes back in time to set the entire series on the same track the viewers were following all along. Basically it's the grandfather paradox, which isn't actually a paradox (apparently) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XayNKY944lY. But writing time travel this way preservers the consequences of characters actions since nothing is being reset.

>>143832987

Again, Steins;Gate 0 is not an "alternate worldline". It is essential to the chronological order of Steins;Gate. It -had- to happen in order for the events of S;G to occur. It's not some other Okabe suffering in an irrelevant timeline. Please look up information on how it fits into the story first.

>pyrrhic victory

Are we thinking of the same definition here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

>But writing time travel this way preservers the consequences of characters actions since nothing is being reset.

I'd argue that's shitty time travel writing since with the grandfather paradox it breaks its own rules and invalidates itself. Things being reset have nothing to with it other than maybe being a bundled package of the time travel itself. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on it considering the only reason anyone ever time travels is to reset a mistake or event.

>>143833183
>grandfather paradox it breaks its own rules and invalidates itself
According to the video it's completely plausible, more so than the time travel itself.

>I'm not sure why you're so hung up on it considering the only reason anyone ever time travels is to reset a mistake or event.
Because it almost always happens this way. Even in SG. In the anime the ending is literally the best possible one and all of the MC's fuck ups didn't have any effects apart from on his mental state, which didn't seem like a huge sacrifice compared to other options.

>>143827817
he's right though. chuuni garbage is garbage

>>143824043
Cover up. Your fullretardness is showing.

As for the thread: Best - S;G and/or Tatami
Worst: Mirai Shitty

How many things are there where the looper fails?

El Hazard's a pretty good timeloop.

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>timeloop thread
>no Rebuild

>>143827817
>I believe in magic

>>143838192
>I don't believe in magic

>>143824486
False. Anything Fate is shit. Kill yourself.

>>143822035
I have to agree Higurashi is pretty good. If only the art style wasn't so shit.

>>143838229
You first you fucking faggot.

>>143838262
Come at me you piece of pretentious shitl

>>143825917
>only one volume
>it's the second shittiest one

But why?

>>143838318
Im cumming in your mother's womb right now you fucking piece of shit.

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What's the best timeloop story?

What's the worst timeloop story?

>>143838404
Getting abortion papers for your useless piece of shit you think will enter the world.

>>143838530
Thank god, i never wanted to have a child with that fat smelly slob you call your mother.

>>143838610
Still better than you, you Forest Gump fucking ass.

>>143838704
I actually love you, i was just tsun. Let's make out.

>>143838796
mmmm C'mere bby, I'll suck your tounge like a vacuum.

>>143831387
moebius was pretty good too. should have been the end of the show.

>>143821967
>Spirit Circle
>time loop

>those people that argued with the S;G shitposter for hours
Holy fucking shit you other newfags are a part of the problem too. Why can't you all become an hero already

>>143833712

>Even in SG. In the anime the ending is literally the best possible one and all of the MC's fuck ups didn't have any effects apart from on his mental state

Because the sacrifices he had to make and the road it took to get there were too large to fit into Steins;Gate, much less an anime adaptation of it. This is why Steins;Gate 0 exists; it's meant to show that Okabe did have to make sacrifices which are not invalidated by time travel.

Is mekaku the only story where time loops because of the antagonist?

>>143822264
>>143827600

Here's all of it in one video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLsvngvealg

>>143840477

How can you tell who's shitposting and who's just genuinely retarded?

I like the one where he has to drown himself in a lake to turn back time for the day. Some really interesting powers in that one.

>>143823308
The point of Groundhog Day wasn't to find out why Bill Murray got stuck in the loop. It was about how he develops as a person because of the loop, how he reacts as a character when he finds out that he lives in a world without any consequence either positive or negative. Trying to structure that around a mystery or an overt antagonist would've just been missing the point. Focusing on the mystery of why he got stuck in the loop would be like adding another act to Soylent Green about how the government reacts to everybody finding out that it's people; it wouldn't mesh well with the rest of the story because it would be going past it's original purpose.

>>143822035
if best, correct

>>143842137
>8 fucking episodes of this
I can't believe i watched through all of it

>>143830000
>An adaptation has to stand on it's own and is also judged as such.
If you would check the OP, he didn't ask for the best time loop ANIME, he asked for the best time loop STORY.

>>143843907
>Some really interesting powers in that one.
Not surprising seeing as it's by the author of Law of Ueki.

Neither the readers nor the protagonist actually know if drowning in the lake is necessary or if it's any death, but obviously the MC would rather not have to find out.

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Its timeloop arc was bad.