so the future is sealed black is atleast as strong as god ki

>>143748499
Everything is wrong in your post.
>so the future is sealed
Its not, they have Cell's time machine.
>black is atleast as strong as god ki ss2 goku and he's still hiding his transformation
He's not Goku, confirmed, and not a saiyan, cofirmed too, while he may have transformations, they are clearly not super saiyan related.

Red hair god is not a base form as /a/ thought, confirmed by the manga in the last chapter, its another transformation. Black is, indeed, weak, by current standards.

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>>143749155
>everything is wrong

no it really isn't

>it's not, they have cell's time machine

that doesn't matter. the reason beerus and whis aren't openly helping is because they know black is right. future trunks is going to die if he fights black again head to head as shown in the previews.

>he's not goku
>literally GOKU BLACK
>goku says they look just alike
the only thing confirmed, by beerus, is that his ki is different than goku


>manga

lmaoing

don't kid yourself with outdated information

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>>143749155
you'd have to be an idiot to think black is weak htw

WHIS confirms he is indeed quite powerful

>>143748499
>black is atleast as strong as god ki ss2 goku
No, he's as strong as SS2 goku. They're flip flopping on whether goku is near god power as base or not anymore (especially since Vegeta matches him), so unless his hair is blue or red, assume he's not using God Ki.

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>>143750638
well that's just completely wrong

goku in the canon material(the anime) absorbs the red god ki and makes that his base, so he is already at the ki level of a god plus his ssj2 transformation multiplier, which goku blacked can match with without even transforming(and we know he's hiding it, he says he isn't using his full power his self and goku confirmed)

i don't have to "assume" anything because i actually understood basic explinations were as you see it as "flip flopping" because you can't get cues and think the non canon material(manga) isn't just that artists personal rendition of the plot, and we all know that person isn't toriyama

>>143751353
The problem anon, is that Vegeta can match him despite never absorbing God Ki. And Cabba can match Vegeta despite not having god Ki at all, until Vegeta turns super saiyan blue. Coupled with Goku's spar with trunks, it's clear that despite what Beerus said, goku in Super is not at god level during his base or super saiyan forms. It's not even the first time shit Beerus said was retconned, the 6/10/15 comparison? That's been basically thrown out the window.

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>>143752022
>the problem is that vegeta can match him

according to what? the manga? that shit is not canon

cabba matched vegeta because his base is lower. it's that simpke. vegeta is NOT as strong as goku. nothing has been retconned in the canon, you just can't read very well. nothing whis said has been retconned ever or even implied to be (the 6 10 15)

goku was holding back against trunks the whole time, trunks has never even achieved god form so there is no way he could beat goku, goku just let him be under the impression to gauge how well trunks would be fighting against goku blacked to use estimate what his and goku blacked power is around, since he already knows trunks couldn't beat him

in the end he learned nothing about the true perfection of his power, since the time ring started forcing his power back to the correct timeline

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>>143748499
Does he have heart virus? Yes yes I know he took some shots to the gut, but they could be playing it off. No one has ever clutched their chest like that except Goku.

If Black is Goku's body possessed, then it can be infected.

>>143749155
>confirmed by the manga in the last chapter
Fuck off.

>>143752306
No, the anime, where Vegeta and Goku are training together, and when they fought against the purple jelly, and when they fought Freezer. It's pretty blatant that Goku and Vegeta are close to evenly matched unless Goku uses the Kaioken.

Goku was holding back by not turning into SS3 or higher. But his SS2 strength was greater than, but on the same tier, as that of trunks. Super has retconned many things and goku's god ki base is one of them.

>>143752306
>(the 6 10 15)
If the 6 10 15 isn't retconned, then goku is literally 4 times stronger than whis using Kaioken x10, Basic math, anon.

>>143752370
it's possible he is suffering some type of drawback from having heart disease but i think it's just subtle baiting on toriyama's end to keep the summerfags guessing(i.e. see "black is goten)

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>>143752433
>any of those things confirming they are "even"

goku confirms he still outranks vegetable(by far) with kaioken, plus vegetable never got the extra ki from being wished into super saiyajin goddo super saiyajin, he just trained into blue with whis's help. trunks is NOT anywhere close to goku and he's probably just barely stronger than gohan/ weakee than picollo. your headcannon =/= the real canon


>>143752500
which would still be wrong because you're using the wrong type of scale to measure obviously

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>>143750285
and graceful too

>>143753596
Did you watch the last episodes? SSJ2 Goku and Trunks WERE about evenly matched than Goku transformed into SSJ3 and easily outperformed him. Balck right now is weak as shit compared to recent enemies like Hit, otherwise he would've stomped SSJ2 Goku.

>>143753596
>goku confirms he still outranks vegetable(by far) with kaioken
>With Kaioken
No fucking shit, it's 10 times his power level, ergo he's roughly 10 times stronger than Vegeta, because Vegeta is roughly as strong as Goku when both are in SSB.
>plus vegetable never got the extra ki from being wished into super saiyajin goddo super saiyajin
Which is exactly why Goku's base boost was retconned.
>trunks is NOT anywhere close to goku and he's probably just barely stronger than gohan/ weakee than picollo
He killed Dabura, which Gohan couldn't and Piccolo never would have even before he let himself go to waste. He's SS2 level, though certainly weaker than Goku.

>>143753596
>which would still be wrong because you're using the wrong type of scale to measure obviously
I don't think you understand how ratios work.

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How did Vegeta's hair manage to maintain volume after Bulma went underwater in the ship?

>>143754249
he only went ssj3 to show off to trunks that he can still get stronger, like goku blacked since trunks said his(goku's) ssj2 was too weak to fight black like that

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>>143748499
To everyone wondering, Super Saiyan Goku = Super Saiyan God Goku.

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>Vegeta getting blacked by the Octopus was foreshadowing Goku Black fucking up Future Trunk's timeline
>Goku Black's real form confirmed to be some type of octopus creature

>>143754452
No, that was retconned.

>>143754442
He wouldn't have to transform at all if he was at god level, because if he had kept his god ki, then his SS2 would be many times stronger than Majin Buu and thus completely outclassing SS2 Trunks by a ridiculous amount. Hell, he could have gone to base form and still make trunks piss himself in fear.

Instead he went SS3, because he would not have gotten a really dramatic increase staying in SS2.

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When this qt gonna show?

>>143754760
Season 2.

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>>143754037

I hope black is just a goku that ingested one of cell's cells infecting his body like a parasite. Instead of sucking the androids, the more he fights the more perfect he becomes, and eventually moults out of goku's corpse.

>>143754311
>because vegeta is roughly the same

lolno

vegeta was btfo in what, 3 hits by hitto? goku took that in base form(INTERESTING) and took hundreds more before even using kaioken. vegeta is weaker, period.

>retconned
wrong


>dabura
>strong

nah

picollo is stronger than dabura now, so strong he could pierce vados planet barrier in the tournament(only something goku did) and would have killed frost(freeza) of he didn't cheat like a fagget

gohan has been off screen training with picollo so it's safe to assume he can atleast not be a completely frail bitch boy now

>>143754311
>i dont think you understand ratios

i dont think you understand english

according to whis, beerus is a castle, goku is a tree. wrap your pea brain around that for a second

>>143754721
no it was not

he transormed because it was a glorified humbling match, literally. goku and trunks didn't even straight up spar, he just tanked all of hits then finished him off politely. stop your headcanon

>>143755307
No, Vegeta jobbed. Goku was prepared since he knew what to expect with Hit. He stayed in base form due to awful writing, because to Toriyama it makes sense to take punches in a weaker form to gauge your opponent. The manga, which is based on toriyama's own notes, confirms Vegeta could have beaten Hit as SSB if he hadn't tired himself out earlier with Frost, Metalman and Cabba.

>wrong
Right. A lot of that fight was retconned. For instance, you'll notice Beerus is yelling and shit, he's clearly putting in some effort. but according to later episodes, Beerus was still holding back like crazy (because if he wasn't, then SSB Goku or SSB Kaioken Goku would be much stronger than both of them.)

>>dabura
>>strong
>nah
Dabura was as strong as Perfect Cell. Piccolo has not gotten there yet, and Gohan is weaker than he was during the Cell Games. Piccolo IS stronger than Namek's Freezer by a lot though.
>gohan has been off screen training with picollo so it's safe to assume he can atleast not be a completely frail bitch boy now

Lol.

>>143755424
>according to whis, beerus is a castle, goku is a tree.
Exactly you idiot, meaning the ratio was Retconned, because a tree is not 60% of a castle. Meaning Goku never made Beerus break a sweat when they fought, despite >>143754452 showing otherwise.

>>143755576
>he transormed because it was a glorified humbling match
He didn't have to transform to humble him. Hell, if he still was as strong as he was during the Beerus fight, he could have reverted to base form and still outclassed Trunk's SS2 by a huge amount. The fact that Trunks didn't explode into chunks when Goku went SS3 means he is not operating at God Level.

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>>143755685
> confirms Vegeta could have beaten Hit as SSB if he hadn't tired himself out earlier with Frost, Metalman and Cabba.

I just realized how fucked that system of progression was.

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When did everything get so complicated

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>>143756215
When Krillin first got his neck snapped

>>143755685
>he just jobbed because muh bad writing
fuck off retard. "based on toriyama's notes" manga =/= the real canon of the anime

vegeta got hit a few times and lost, period, plus before vegeta even fought hit he went back and got some refreshments, further proving that "vegeta was le tired"eme to be absolute bullshit that isn't true to the canon material(the anime)

>yea huh it was

not it wasn't dumbass. beerus lied to make goku try harder, plain and simple, which has happened many tines now to make goku want to get stronger

>picollo hasn't gotten there yet
do you read? picollo is stronger than dabura now since he never stops training and is also toritamas favorite character, he is a tactical master; cell is weaker than them both


>meaning the ratio was retconned
that doesn't prove that you shiteater. nobody said it was a 60%. you literally made that up

>the fact that trunks didn't blow ibto chunks

ffs you autist he did it to guage black as well. fuck off with your illiteracy and bad math

>>143756215
When Toriyama forgot to take his medicine and wrote lots of stuff that contradicts past stuff.

>>143756215
It didn't. Shit just works however Toriyama wants them to work and people take it more seriously than they should.

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>>143756215
when summerfags come to the board

Why couldnt they just get arale to karate chop black?

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>>143756757
>implying she didn't already get blacked in the future

Why do some people gain an odd affection for certain Dragonballs, like Goku with the four starred one and Pilaf with the number he likes?

>>143757283
Goku like four because Grandpa Gohan kept it

>>143757283
Just look at them

Aesthetic af

Gtgoku even swallowed

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>>143748499
goku could've one shot black if he just went ssb lmao.

though, that wouldn't make for a very good arc... goku had way more trouble with hit than he did with black, and he was using ssb against him.

>>143757549


He would of jusr copied his fighting style to find his weakness, basically what goku does, since he never was in danger of dying.

This is a fight vegeta would job because he would rush into it, just like with hit and almost like that rob

I haven't been keeping up with Super but whats this shit about Vegeta not having god ki?

How the hell did he train to Super Cyan? I thought that was just turning super saiyan while utilizing god ki.


I assumed since at the end of BotG he said next time he was getting the god powerup they just did it off screen between that and Resurrection F

>>143757823

Vegeta trained with whis but whis also trains beerus so basically the training is just that good

sssjb is still a god ki form, vegeta just never absorded god ki like goku did

>>143756215
It has always been like this, what was strong in one saga is fodder the next. Dragon Ball inflation of power is zimbabwe tier.
>King Piccolo
*Yajirobe without training at all is stronger than Tien
*Piccolo (old) is much stronger than Goku and Tien
*Piccolo (young) is stronger still
*Goku after drinking the Ultra Sacred Water is much stronger than Piccolo
*Popo considers Goku's power as trash
>23rd Budokai
*Goku with weights is stronger than Goku when he defeated King Piccolo but Tien is stronger
*Goku without weights and Piccolo are much stronger than everyone else
*If Kami, Tien and everyone else went all against a tired Piccolo at once they would still lose
>Saiyan Saga:
*Piccolo was the main villain of the previous arc and now he is complete fodder to Raditz.
*Saibaiman are close to Raditz in power but are literally fodder
*Goku after becoming many times stronger than Raditz is still not enough for Vegeta
>Frieza Saga
*Cui is as strong as Vegeta was on Earth yet he is destroyed easily by Vegeta
*Vegeta after defeating Zarbon is nothing in comparison to the Ginyu Force
*Gohan and Vegeta while fighting First Form Frieza are twice as strong as Ginyu yet they are much weaker than him.
*Piccolo is stronger than Gohan (and Ginyu) after training for 6 days with King Kai
*Goku becomes 33 times stronger after being healed uses kaioken times 20 and is still not enough
>Android Saga
*Frieza is easily destroyed by Trunks only to reveal that the androids are stronger than him
*Piccolo is stronger than SSJ Trunks before fusing with Kami
*SSJ Goku while only powering up to 50% of his power is stronger than Grade 3 Trunks
*Piccolo, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks in the Cell games are stronger than 50% SSJ Goku
*SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell are much stronger than everyone else

>>143758637
>Buu Saga
*Goten and Trunks can turn SSJ easily and are stronger than 18
*Videl learns to fly long distances and to sense ki in a month when it took the human Z-Fighters 1 year training with Kami to do that.
*Yamu and Spopovich have auras while flying like Nappa does.
*Dabura is stronger than Super Perfect Cell and is easily defeated by Buu. SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta can't do anything either.
*SSJ Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku but Super Buu only plays with him
*Base Gotenks after the Time Chamber is stronger than SSJ Gotenks before after training for some weeks
*SSJ2 Gohan after training with the Z-Sword for a day is close in power to SSJ3 Goku
*Base Vegito is barely weaker than Gohan-Buu, SSJ Vegito is the strongest character in DBZ by miles.
>Super
*Beerus defeats everyone easily, they don't even try to use Super Vegito because he would be useless.
*Whis is even stronger than Beerus
*Tagoma is as strong as Mystic Gohan, an out of shape SSJ Gohan easily defeats the stronger Captain Ginyu
*Only to be defeated by Frieza in his First Form
*Golden Frieza is stronger than SSB after training 4 months
*Cabba doesn't even know what SSJ is and he is close in power to Goku and Vegeta
*Piccolo is not that weaker than base Goku when in RoF he was weaker than base Gohan
*Hit is stronger than SSBx10 Goku
*Beerus and Champa are still stronger than Hit
*Zenou is much stronger than Champa and Beerus

Master Korrin, Beerus and Whis are the only characters that have managed to be relevant power-wise for multiple arcs without becoming stronger.

>>143758637
>*Piccolo, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks in the Cell games are stronger than 50% SSJ Goku

explain

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>>143758637
>>143758668
>people get stronger over time in a shounen anime

really?

>>143758868
In other shounen characters are not so easily surpassed. If DB was like other shounen Master Roshi would still be in the top ten of strongest characters

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>>143759516
that's the thing, those other shounen are copying toriyama, the king, that's the difference between the greatest and the new kids

>>143759663
I prefer Toriyama's approach to make everyone far stronger than the previous arc over other shounen where a character reveals a hidden technique they had but didn't use in their previous fights even though they were losing.

>>143760418
i prefer the sol between everything

making it so lighthearted makes the "edgy" parts bearable but enjoyable too

>>143757521
i wonder why he didn't get to show up in otherworld when goku went

when is the last time goku mentions him?

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who /hyped/ here?

>>143761930
Probably because Toriyama forgot about him. Like Lunch.

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Gine a best. A BEST

>>143762072
wait what

>>143762312

BD ver

>>143762350
what arc

>>143755576
So Trunks SS2 is stronger than SSG?

>>143762642
RoF

>>143762774
are you sure those aren't just comparisons of the RoF movie with the DBS arc?

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>>143762714
No

>>143762815

nah, DBS

When the fuck did the anime become more canon than the words of the creator of the series?

>>143763337
when the creator stopped giving a fuck

>>143763337
He is involved with the writing.

>>143763337
since it became the most hands on project for toriyama

the anime being miles ahead of the manga story wise isn't helping the manga out either

>>143763600
>>143763992
If Toriyama has involvement in the anime therefore making it canon, wouldn't his comments have some validity as well?

>>143764060
in part to the manga as well? sure

but blatamt retcon shit that didn't hapoen in the anime that came first at that is generally considered not canon since toyotarou is leading the manga. are we suppose to believe goku can't use kaioken anymore because he didn't in the manga? fuck no, because that is obviously that artists rendition of the fight, not toriyama

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>>143764243
basically at this point it's(the manga) a spin of the real story for purposes like him building a name for hisself as well as making as much money as possible by reaching a broader audience(i.e. there's a ton of vegetafags who prefer the manga over the anime). to be fair, the manga is drawn well though and it is interesting

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When?

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>>143764936
>still weaker than beerus

>>143765059
Beerus is the final boss of Super, you should already know that.

>>143764936
i want a fusion arc for dbs so bad

>>143765109
>final arc is the universe tournament
>beerus partakes in it
>final match is him and Goku
>Goku finally wins
>Omni-King wants to fire Beerus and hire Goku
>Goku refuses and lets Beerus keep his job

>>143765635
>final tournament takes place
>all this whis/vados beerus/champa gods animated

this will be a great day for upcoming doujins

>>143765109
i still think think beerus/whis secretly want to blow up universe 7

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>>143765406
They even teased it in some promotional art, the bastards.

>>143767881
never know, zeno-sama's tournament could allow for fusion techniques if they have 2-2 matches or something

>>143767881
>Gogeta becomes canon
>Gogeta becomes canonically the strongest hero character
HYBE

>>143768126
Gogeta will not be the strongest canon character...

>>143754721
>No, that was retconned.
Except it wasn't you fucking retard, it happens in Super.

>>143756757
>>143756811
Nah, see, she was too busy poking poop

>>143768126
>gogeta's sparkle magic becomes canon

idk how i feel about that

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>>143767881
>Teasing Gogeta for a fucking instant noodle campaign

Damn it all.

I thought that toriyama said that the manga artist pretty much is drawing everything like the script and he added nothing of his own.

>>143771393
idk where you get that from but out of someones ass

>>143771524
It was an interview tho.

>>143769562
>Gogeta disintegrates BLACK with rainbows

>>143771611
source or gtfo

>>143771635
First volume of dragon ball super in the web version of V-jump.

Toriyama wants toyotaro to include his own ideas into the manga. He said it will be better that way.

>>143771828
including toriyamas ideas into the manga is hardly "adding nothing of his own"

>>143772005

He draws based on toriyama script and toriyama check every storyboard for every chapter and he says that he wants him to include is own ideas.

It's kind of fucking obvious that he is drawing everything like the script.

Don't be a retard.

>>143762072
>taking pictures of a screen

>>143772056
>hurr dur

no fucking source like i thought you dunce. try reading comprehension lessons

>>143772141
I fucking told you the source. Get and check it yourself fucking retard. Do you want me to spoonfeed you too?

Believe what ever you fucking want then.

>>143772184
>posts source with no link or image
>gets mad when doubted

>>143772184
post a link or keep shiteating idgaf what you said vs what you implied dont matchup either way because you're too dumb to know how to read

>>143772215
>doubted

It's in the fucking V-Jump website. What else do you need, retard?

>>143772238
It was stated that Goku is stronger than Whis but Whis won't admit it! It's on the V Jump site! It's true!

>>143772229
>>143772215
>>143772141


It took me literally 2 seconds to find the interview.

Sasuga DBfags

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

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>>143772215
more like

>make shit up
>gets mad when proven full of shit

i expect more (You)'s

>>143772335
That pic is hot as fuck.

>>143772323

>Toyotarō:
Since Chapter 1 I’ve used Toriyama-sensei‘s plot as a basis, but have been allowed to expand on it.

now senppuku fag

>>143772350
How is it hot? I don't see Beerus anywhere.

>>143772323

Well, fuck.

>>143772388
>So far Dragon Ball Super has followed Toriyama-sensei‘s plot, but I think it might be interesting for Toyotarō-sensei to become more involved with the story-writing process from here on out!

>Toriyama: Good idea!! I bet it’ll make it more interesting to include Toyotarō-sensei‘s original ideas.

Yeah, sure.

>>143772238
>doubted
What did he mean by this?

>>143772444
>yeah sure

what do you mean by this? be specific

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>>143772479

he won't

it's all the straws left that a mangafag can grab at, delusions that their chapters are pure

>>143749155
Mangaverse and Animeverse is completely different
Base Goku is as strong as God form confirmed by Akira
However it's better to imagine this way
Base Goku(Used to fight ordinary opponents, no God Ki, used SSJ during this transformation)<SSJ1<SSJ2<SSJ3<Base Goku +God Ki(Sort of like mystic form Gohan only stronger,as strong as SSJG, no need to transform to SSJ normal, fights stronger opponents eg:Freeza,No improvement Hit,Beerus)<SSJB
It's not actually confirmed but it's just the way I think to not be confused now that power levels not only seems bullshit, it's questionable if anyone other than Goku or Vegeta is relevant anymore

Well, SSJB with Kaioken was retarded as fuck.
That and Hit being far stronger than goku.

I kind of prefer the manga version of that fight. Magetta vs vegeta was the shit in the anime, tho.

>>143772335
>>143772350

There's something about Black. He looks like Goku but he's pure sex. I mean Goku is attractive but Black is fine as fuck.

>>143772673
>questionable if anyone else than goku or vegeta are relevant

what makes that questionable? up until 6 months ago(in the anime time) vegeta was only ss2 level, same place ftrunks is and maybe gohan now

i doubt they get training from whis now but idk maybe to represent universe 7 they will be, or atleast gohan once the blacked arc is done

>>143772755
OK then. Questionable if anyone who's not a Saiyan.But I don't expect F Trunks to get a power boost considering this arc is going to be shorter unless they pull out a giant asspull that Black was actually stronger or has another form or is actually baby.

>>143772412
Kill yourself you disgusting furfag.

>>143772673
I don't see what's so hard to grasp about the current power levels. It's pretty obvious Goku was holding back against Trunks, and it's outright stated he was holding back against Black (and vice versa). So it stands to reason he can choose whether to tap into his god ki stats. No need to go through mental gymnastics.

>it's questionable if anyone other than Goku or Vegeta is relevant anymore

You act like it hasn't been this way since the Cell saga. That's why it's so surprising when someone else steps up.

The only question is if the plot will actually allow someone else to step in.

>>143772702
>Well, SSJB with Kaioken was retarded as fuck.
>That and Hit being far stronger than goku.

It was retarded in all the right ways. I mean, Hit powering up simply by putting in effort was trash, but I can forgive it since it gave Goku a reason to dust off the Kaioken. That's the kind of stupid fun Super SHOULD be.

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>>143772900
i have a weird feeling trunks is going to end up dying because he has to

the title spoilers so far show there's atleast two more episodes he'll be alive but there's also a break week coming iirc so expect it to drag

>>143773069
Trunks can't die, he has to go on to become a Time Cop. It's his destiny.

>>143772941
Vegeta was struggling against Magetta in SSJ2, it isn't mental gymnastics. It's just a solution presented for people who think Trunks is now stronger than Buu because he was able to counter Goku. Also consider Frost's case. People say he was as strong as SSJG because he managed to get Goku to transform however he struggled against Piccolo.

>>143773069
>Trunks watches Trunks die
That'll mess a kid up

>>143773177
Also consider Cabba's case

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>>143772941
>he doesn't liked big barbed cat

>>143773177
Simply put, powerlevels in DB are like the inside of a woman's heart. Illogical and can't be trusted. You're just supposed to accept it as it is the way it comes and don't think too much about it.

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>>143773069
Black does this to him

>>143773342
>yamcha survived that one time

>>143773380
Yamcha also did beat up Goku once. Think he brags about that?

>>143773429
He makes Puar turn into Bulma and fucks her while making her say, "You're the best Yamcha, you're the best!"

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>>143773429
nah, he lost a tooth the next day so he probably locked that memory away deep down inside

>>143773451
kek

>>143773451
He makes Puar turn into Vegeta and just kicks the shit out of her

>>143773429
>>143773380
>DBZ Power Levels
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d7a520G_6Rs

>>143773547
He does that then makes her turn into Bulma as his reward for defeating "Vegeta".

Puar had a hard life.

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>>143773584
>dbs made power levels great again

>>143773584
Oh my God,He should have just left Bulma to die, the way she NTR'd him is unforgivable.

>>143773584
I forgot how bad the ocean dub is

>>143773177
>Vegeta was struggling against Magetta in SSJ2
Whoa, whoa. What? I seriously doubt he used anything above regular SS. Besides, Magetta was way more powerful than he looked, and Vegeta underestimated him based on looks alone.

>Also consider Frost's case. People say he was as strong as SSJG because he managed to get Goku to transform however he struggled against Piccolo.

The fanboy in me wants to say it's a combination of Piccolo leveling up and Frost underestimating him (funny how this keeps coming up. Almost like a theme of some sort).

Even if it isnt likely, Black being Goten would be the most thematixally approptiate. Plus he screams mid villain like androids

>>143750189
It kinda ticked me off that Goku black got smarts

Shit is cary

>>143773822
It would be the most interesting idea, which is why you can be sure it won't be the case. Plus the "in this body" comment kind of lowers it's credibility quite a bit.

>>143773822
The Green Kaioshin is going to be the big bad right?

Also, anyone else thinking Time Patrol/Time Breaker shenanigans?

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>>143754037
>smug
>stylish
>graceful
How can one compete? He is gonna be perfect soon

>>143773880
Goten being possessed isnt out of the question too.

>>143773451
>>143773547
Isn't Puar male though?

Its still suspicious that chichi and goten are being seperated from meetong future Trunks and Black. If Goku died before Goten was born, and raised by Chichi alone then Black(Goten) may have soft spot for her. I mean there really isnt any reason to seperated them.

>>143774019
Whatever. Like Yamcha keeps telling him, it's happening either way.

>>143774022
But if he is Goten why is he obsessed with killing Saiyans? Why doesn't he go SSJ? Why does he refer to his body as if he's using it like he possessed it or something?

>>143774068
Possessed or Raised by somene else

>>143774088
But during his bout with Goku he refers to his body as if it's something he's using.

Also, imo Goten in all of his older incarnations always looked like Chi Chi more when he was older.

>>143774068
Curses his heritage, identifies as human because ???
Hasn't learnt to maybe? Alternatively, is Mystic/Ultimate, or doesn't feel the need.
Dunno that one, as some guy just said there's every chance Goten is possessed. Kind of detracts from him if that's the case though.

>>143774151
Mystic/Ultimate could be a possibility, or possibly close to it, since he's had some interaction with the kais somehow.

>>143774120
Possessed. I mean if turns out to be Goten thats the only way he can be forgiven for his massacre.

Black is clearly Goku Jr

>>143774249
>>143774151

I'm calling it. This is going to lead into a Time Patrol later.

>>143774271
From the end of DBGT?

How? Gohan never married Videl and had Pan. Goku Jr can't exist in this timeline.

>>143774311
It was a joke, fun sucker.

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>>143774383
S-sorry...

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>>143762072
I'm SUPER hype

>>143754249
I have some words to say about Hit's "power"
It seems Hit is pretty much melee only.
He didn't use ki.
I don't think his ki abilities, or resistance to ki, is very good.
If Goku connects with a good ki attack against him like a powerful Kamehameha, Hit is fucked.
He is a one trick pony. Melee only.

I'm just here to agree with everyone else in this thread that Vegeta is piss weak compared to Goku currently.

It was proven in the Hit fight. I don't like it but that's just how it is. As far as I can tell, Vegeta is half Goku's power at best.

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>>143774559
>mfw mai's shotgun kills goku

>>143774290
I'm dreading leakage from Xenoverse, but it makes more sense than whatever else Toriyama and Toei could possibly drudge from their asses.

>>143750189

Imbecile

>>143772708
It's probably his lean but still incredibly muscular physique combined with both the tight turtleneck shirt and looser over-shirt and pants which really compliments his body
Shit's pure sex

>>143776681
I thinks it's all in the way he holds himself and acts. He's oozing badassness.

>>143772335
How can others even compete?

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>>143749155
> "Red hair god is not a base form as /a/ thought, confirmed by the manga in the last chapter"

> referencing Toyble's own personal addition (that makes no sense to begin with)

Goku absorbed SSG. He cannot transform into it again, it was just a temporary transformation done by ritual.

Goku "remembered" the God ki while he was in SSG form, and mastered it while training with Whis to get SSB.

The manga's sole purpose is to be an advertisement for the anime, I wouldn't take it too seriously

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>>143777291
SSB Kaioken >>> somehow transforming into SSG at will

One of the few instances where I prefered the anime to the manga

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>>143774559

>>143758637
>*Yajirobe without training at all is stronger than Tien
Where did you get this from?
>*Goku with weights is stronger than Goku when he defeated King Piccolo but Tien is stronger
Goku was clearly stronger than Tien, the issue was that with the weights on, he was slowed down, and Tien increased his speed in order to outpace Goku

So Black is either goku corpse/future goten posessed by a divine being

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>>143773924
> also seems to manipulate time

What other villain can compete with Black?

>>143762072
Are these improvements comparing the broadcast version of DBS vs. the home release?

>>143754422
> two fruits on Vegeta's hair
> fruits where Zarbon and Dodoria got their names from

>>143777291
>Goku absorbed SSG. He cannot transform into it again, it was just a temporary transformation done by ritual.
At the end of Battle of Gods, SSJGod was shown to still be a power up above SSJ and base though, considering how it stopped Beerus' blast while the other two forms couldn't.

>>143777330
It's not like they have the same roles. They're just "new" things that popped up in the same battle. SSJ God was portrayed to be bellow SSJ Blue. The manga could have kept Goku in SSJ before going SSJ Blue and very little would have changed.

The issue with adding Kaioken is that Goku not using it again in serious moments will always be odd if Toei's writers don't bother to bring it back again.

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>>143750189
> the only thing confirmed, by beerus, is that his ki is different than goku

Black isn't Goku, and not just because of different ki. He also seems to dislike Saiyans and mentioned "using this body".

He could be another entity using Future Goku's body.

>>143777370
>Where did you get this from?
Goku states that Yajirobe is the "toughest" person he ever met. Now, Tenshinhan might still beat him due to Yajirobe's complete lack of techniques, but it's clear he was supposed to be physically stronger there.

>>143777592
>He could be another entity using Future Goku's body.
And got the heart virus along with it since it wasn't cured unlike the other Goku is, so he must change bodies soon.

>>143777370
>Goku was clearly stronger than Tien, the issue was that with the weights on, he was slowed down, and Tien increased his speed in order to outpace Goku

Goku with weights on was stated to be stronger than the Goku that defeated King Piccolo in every way... aside from speed, which was the same as before. At that level, Tenshinhan seems to be able to beat him still.

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>>143777566
> At the end of Battle of Gods, SSJGod was shown to still be a power up above SSJ and base though

It was still temporary though, that time in particular only for a few seconds. It's like Goku squeezed out the remaining bit of god ki he had from the initial SSG transformation from ritual.

Beerus mentioned in BoG afterwards that Goku absorbed SSG because he was a "genius". Then in RoF, Goku mentioned "I got a taste of SSG and then I learned to tap into that power on my own"

...meaning Goku isn't supposed to transform into SSG at will, because that would be SSB (at least according to RoF).

The anime seems to be more true to the movies better than the manga in this regard.

>>143777566
> The issue with adding Kaioken is that Goku not using it again in serious moments will always be odd if Toei's writers don't bother to bring it back again.

It ruined Goku's body though. He couldn't IT correctly, and couldn't even fly.

I don't see him using him using that again, at least not anytime within the near future

>>143777642
>so he must change bodies soon.
>yfy the reason why this arc is called future trunks arc and black goku arc is because he ftrunks will be possessed

>>143777417
None.

>>143758668
>dabura is stronger than super perfect cell
why does everyone keep saying freeza is the most powerful being again? except for buu beerus and whis

who /DokkanBattle/ here? Gogeta in under 48hrs, I'm so fucking hyped

>>143778444
What is Dokkan Battle? I keep hearing people reference it.

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>>143778437
Dabura is from the demon realm. Same with Mira and Towa.

Freeza is the strongest non-artificial mortal villain

>>143778488
Mobile game

>>143778522
>mobile game

Oh...

Well. Good for you anon. Have fun.

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>>143778488
Mobile game where you collect "cards" of characters and """fight""" with them. Pretty addicting desu, mows the perfect time to get into it seeing as how we've been getting a bunch of free stones (what you use to pull cards) for the anniversary.

>>143774559
>Mai is the one to defeat Black with a laser rifle

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I wonder what Future Bulma was thinking while someone who looked like her childhood friend was killing her.

Future Chi-chi should've had it rough too. Probably not even alive at this point.

Anyone know where these guys are getting the "new GT spinoff" shit?

> Dragon Ball Super reveals new Dragon Ball GT spinoff featuring new Super Saiyan 4 transformation, director confirms

http://www.sportsrageous.com/others/dragon-ball-super-reveals-new-dragon-ball-gt-spinoff-featuring-vegetas-transformation-super-saiyan-4-dragon-ball-super-director-reveals-new-dragon-ball-gt-spinoff-will-feat/33491/

>>143773457

post more Gine

>>143782141
Fake

>>143782392
Yeah I thought so but wanted to be safe, god could you imagine?

>>143782562
> GT 2
No idea why they would make a spin-off of a spin-off

>>143782650
Wouldn't be the first time they did something that made absolutely no sense

>>143756215
It's not complicated it's just inconsistent.

>>143777367
You know, it makes sense that Mr.Satan would throw rocks instead of relying on special effects shitty ki-blasts, seeing that rocks clearly do more damage.

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Why would Trunks even WANT to go back to the past?

> family's dead
> most of humanity is gone
> no food/water
> live on cat food if you're lucky to find any

Might as well stay in the superior present timeline.

>>143783914
You mean back to the future, right?

Also, Maifu in the future. That's reason enough to go back. Although he doesn't know she's alive.

>>143784041
Yea future. Oops.

I guess HIS past, which is the future?

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>>143784041
He can bring Mai to the Present. I doubt she'd want to stay there too.

They deserve to be happy

>>143777993
he'll perfect it eventually since SSJB makes ki ulenergy equalized and calm, he only got rekt during the tournament because it was his first try

>>143777417
Maybe the first villain who isnt acting like the strongest being to be alive or a complete retard.

Everyone else up until now was like "you cant defeat me" at their first showing.

>>143778437
because freeza never trained to get as strong as she is, literally born powerful and then after a short training stint was able to match SSB temporarily


>>143778502


just to be clear, freeza is a demon race too

>>143783335
Goku or none of the characters have any actual real superhuman resilience, strength, or speed, it's all Ki manipulation. If your Ki is down, anything can hurt you.
And no one bring up Bulma shooting Goku or launch filling everyone with holes, those are jokes.

>>143784742
Frieza is an alien, not a demon race.

>>143784807
>bulma shoting goku

that wasn't a joke though...goku can tank bullets because he's tough as steel

gohan was also confirmed to tank bullets

lasers can melt steel so it makes sense, since ki blasts are just strong lasers basicallly

we know someone got a hold of goku's dead body but who is that someone is still a mystery. any guesses on who it is?

>>143781664
Her last thoughts were probably of her son anon.

>>143784875
they're "alien" to earth but they are frost demons

>>143784892
The green Kaioshen. Black uses a Kaioshen time ring.

Also if I remember correctly doesn't blacks ring have the Time Breaker insignia on it?

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>>143784951
We don't know it's the time breakers, but they keep on showing his ring in every preview and it's symbol it looks it it could be. who knows

>>143784807
General White shot Goku as well. That wasn't a joke.

>>143758668
>Master Korrin,
You mean the cat?

>>143785029
>>143784951
The plot thickens.

Does this mean the Time Patrol might get involved in the show now? I want it canonized.

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>>143785088
they're definantly going to introduce some type of kaioshin time manipulator thing, but it could still be completely different from xenoverse stuff

for example, have you noticed how they haven't been showing supreme kai at all these episodes yet beerus is saying these are kaioshin artifacts? supreme kai is the one who gave goku the potara earring, so there's pretty much a garuntee he has a time ring as well

>>143785234
Is this drawn by Toriyama?

>>143784942
"Frost demons" is a name made up by Xenoverse

>>143785447
Yes.

He actually kept Videl's personality intact and had Yamcha suspicious of the Pilaf Gang.

Marron looks more fun too.

>shitty manchildren discussing a dead pony

Seriously, how retarded are you?

Akira T. is only giving some basic ideas, the rest if up the the manga author and anime team to interpret it.

It creates monstrous inconsistencies, and every one will claim this or that version is canon, blablabla.

>>143785642
>toriyama
>remembering things

Color me surprised. Good on him about Videl though. I'm not a huge fan but the way she's been lobotomized in the show is pretty fucked up.

>>143785573
That name has existed for ages.

>>143785846
i had no idea xenoverse is stealing and rebranding things

just reminded me there are kids on 4chan

>>143785846
Source?

I've only seen it in unofficial sources

>>143785846
No it didn't

>>143785642
Wow, his art style really changed.

>>143748499
This sounds as retarded as naruto.

>>143786136
Dragon Ball is the og Naruto dawg.

>>143785943
not that guy but im pretty sure i read it from old dbz websites and out of old dbz games bio's (nothing past budokai3)

>>143785662
>>143786136
here's some (you)'s

use them wisely

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>>143777592
possibly he is goku and green kai fused, but due to the earring/ring the green kai's personality is dominant

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>>143787705
it would also explain why he is goku but slimmer

>>143787705
green kai has orange earings

>>143787705
Wouldn't they have two earrings then?

Both Shin and Kibito had one earring each before they fused iirc

>>143788024
probably

>>143788024
>>143789184
shit

probably something like he they used dance fusion but since he had the earrings in it activated the potara fusion

>>143783914
He want to protect what's left of humanity.

>>143789924
over/under that launch is in the remaining future humanity hideout

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>>1437878>>143789362

dance fusion changes clothes appearance, maybe it's that

are there any doujins with the super bulma?

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>>143784159
mai is getting blacked again

this is true happiness

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is there any explanation on which time machine this is

>>143787705
>>143789362
Highly unlikely that Black's a fusion...

Potara fusion woukd have him wear 2 earings

Fusion dance would have him wear fusion clothes. Also with a time limit.

>>143789924
Yea the 10 or less people left in the world.

What's Trunks gonna do? Be a farmer and start another industrial revolution?

>>143790626
It's Cell's...

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>>143790674
it is unlikely but at this point of all new plot from scratch, i think it's possible. we never seen someone who was wearing potara earrings do fusion dance, and what is even the true origin of fusion dance? i know those aliens taught goku when he escaped namek but who taught them?

>>143790851
actually wait a minute that was IT not fusion dance

when did they learn fusion dance again?

>>143790851
> i know those aliens taught goku when he escaped namek but who taught them?

That was instant transmission. Not the fusion dance.

>>143790765
how did cell come from the future but still exist in the future when trunks went back in dbz?

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>>143790926
Goku learned it from Metamorans in the Other World

>>143790976
Cell came from Future Trunk's future. Not his own timeline.

In that timeline, Trunks beat the androids. Imperfect Cell killed Trunks and stole his time machine to find the androids in the present.

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>>143785029
>>143785088
>>143785234
It's going to be a prequel. Towa will find Black's Time Ring after he's defeated, form the Time Breakers, and swear vengeance against Future Trunks for killing her brother.

>>143791054
>>143791133
ok i see cut me a little slack because i haven't watched these sagas in probably 7 years but that would also mean there are two futures (ftrunks future and ded ftrunks future)

now that i remember this, could it be that goku blacked is from the ded ftrunks timeline? goku died a hero so he still kept his body in otherworlsld so he would still have known about the supreme kais eventually since he would of kept training

maybe that's where they are headed in explanation soon with the reveal episode

>>143791054
>>143791368
that and the tie in with the metomorans

>>143790539
>mai is getting blacked again
No, she won't this time

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>>143791368
Actually it's 4 timelines...

This whole time I thought it was just 3

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>>143791754
he's going to make it permanent this tine

no give backs

>>143791874
wtf this weird ass chart

where are you getting #4 from? cell tournament is in the main timeline

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>>143790731
repopulate by any means neccesary

>>143791133
It just realize, doesn't that mean the Cell of Goku's timeline should still exist? Or did they destory it when they blew up Gero's lab.

>>143793144
yea they specificially shot him as a larvae

>>143793204
Oh ya. OK.

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>>143792925
Just trying to imagine F Mai ending up with some crazy amount of kids.

>>143793408
they need to repopulate

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>>143793408
she'd be pregnant around the yearly clock while he rebuilds capsule city from scrap

we're going to need a new ftrunks series spin off

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>>143793408

>>143793655
>>143793731
>they need to repopulate
>she'd be pregnant around the yearly clock

Mai. The girl that blushed at the thought of holding hands becomes the new mother of the (partly) saiyan race. That's would almost be too amusing

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>>143793878
she could pull it off

i mean eventually they'd have to start incest too right? humanoid reproduction is inherently degenerate, which is another reason why they must be purged

>>143793731
>Last episode
>Future Mai reveals to be pregnant
>Bulma reveals to be pregnant too
Mark my words

>>143794425
>bulma pregnant

by who?

>>143794755
black'd

>>143794755
Future Trunks.

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>>143777592
he's back

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>>143795045
explain

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>>143795230

>>143767881
WAIT IS GOGETA CONFIRMED?

FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEES

VEGITOFAGS BTFO

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>>143795484
>implying toriyama didn't forget

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>>143795341
but he's a sadfrog in the future

>>143796289
he trained for 1 week and is now able to do that change body thing even as a frog

>>143754422
A pure blood saiyain's hair does not change from the day they are born.

>>143794200
So trunk's timeline is the one that leads to DBO

>>143796618
but goku was ded already

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>>143798537
how did vegetas pride maintain volume after this fiasco?

>>143777592
Perhaps he's an entity who looks a whole lot like Yakkon, if you take the silhouette from >>143751353 as for shadowing.

Why don't they just ask him really really nicely to stop being evil?

>>143798811
then ginyu took over his corpse and that somehow made him alive and the frog dead

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>>143792511
>>143748499
Kakarot !

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>>143799231
goku blacked is true justice and perfection

ask trunks why wont he just die already

Goku Black is Goten, who wants to permanently fuse with Trunks using the ear rings to become Gotenks (or whoever) full time.

But if Goten can't have Trunks, then nobody can...

>>143799686
Why do people like broly do much?
I mean what makes him so special that he has such a huge following?
He is supposed to be some really strong dude with his own version of ssj and he hates goku because baby goku cried too much and he couldn't sleep because of it or something?
Really what was his problem and why do people like him so much more then the other super buff strong villains like super 13 and bojack?

>>143799808
when did they fuck?

>>143795045
No, he's purple.

>>143800069

legendary ssj canon still but it people don't accept that it was goku who is the legend, so they cling to broly

>>143800069
the design and how he fucking annihilated everyone in the movie. also
>muh LEGENDARY ssj

>>143800148

predictive spelling fucked me pretty good just now

Black is actually Turlus who some how managed to fly to the future and pretended to be going and is now back to the present ready to take revenge on everyone.

I haven't even watched Super.

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>>143800069
No idea..
I guess they like his design and power? It's all he really has. It's not like he has much of a character or decent villain motivation.

>>143800252
>Sayans ignore the ways of the galaxy
>Humans create monstrosities stronger than Frieza

>>143800069
Because his power is maximum.

>>143800105
Fusing is much more intimate than fucking.

>>143800069
He is Broly, his power is maximum.

>>143799686
where would broly's power level be if he was canon

scaled

>>143800380
so why are goku and vegeta still not compatible

>>143749155
>Cell's time machine
That'll take him to the timeline where Cell killed Trunks.

>he may have transformations
He's a body snatcher with Goku's body, trying to perfect his mastery of the body he deems to be the strongest he could get a hold of. That means a transformation akin to SSJ is likely.

I still don't think Black is much of a threat as long as he doesn't have any transformations. I like to think of it in terms of how they treated Frieza. They knew he was there to take everything away, and there are no SSJ transformations until Frieza went golden, which is when they went SSB.

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>>143800380
L-lewd!

>>143802043
>That'll take him to the timeline where Cell killed Trunks.
Future Bulma notes

>>143800069
He represents the parts of Dragon Ball Z some fans fell in love with. The Brutality, power, and fight sequences, which is his entire character.

>>143752370
That's just bad animation

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>>143799686
should of been a girl

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>>143802508
no matter how you describe broly it just sounds like autism to me

i hear his voice when i read that shit

>>143790626
why the fuck didn't she reverse engineer this ASAP

>>143799686
Future timeline Broly is still alive in the sidestory-verse. Seems like Bio-Broly could be redeemed.

>>143794755
Sonic the Hedgehog.

>>143794755
Beerus

>>143794755
me
i'd be all over that milf muff

>>143773746
He cheated on her

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>>143802931
she's been working on it since the cell saga apparently since she's recently created the fuel, but she probably lost track since buu did earth extinction from kami's look out, then by time she came back (end of z) beerus and freiza came to earth so she's been tied up

>>143752306
Why do you keep saying the manga isn't canon? It's confirmed that it's closer to Toriyamas vision and that the things left out are all Toei's evil doings aka filler.

why is future bulma so much smarter (and hotter) than present bulma

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>>143803190
she only had one armed gohan and teen trunks for protection, so she had to focus more on not dying

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>>143803169
why aren't shitposters(you) banned for shitting up threads with your already proven wrong shitposts?

>>143755307
>gohan
>training
Kill yourself.

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>>143803190
More focused on survival and SCIENCE than being fashionable, thus her true beauty was allowed to shine through.