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If this whale is not in the ocean does that make her a landwhale?
Also Jinbei joining was confirmed this chapter. IF he doesn't die.
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He will lose an arm or something.
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>I'm willing to sacrifice myself for Luffy
>Says goodbye to the Sun Pirates
>Pissed off Big Mom

If Jinbei isn't dead by the end of this arc I'll be very impressed.
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Not just Jinbe. Based Pedro too.
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I can imagine Jinbei with a cool as fuck pegleg
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>Big Mom has sudden outbursts of uncontrollable rage
>Lola shown obsessed with marriage
>Praline proven to be yandere

B-but Pudding is super sweet and innocent and nothing like her family guys!
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Lot of shit happens: The Chapter
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Is Jinbe's mancrush on Luffy going to be his main gag?
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Who do you think is most likely to die from the Strawhats?

Something really takes me towards Usopp, though I can't tell why..
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Even though the translation says "roulette", i think it meant a dart board. Jimbe throws a dart to decide his punishemnt.

The numbers are the years stolen from you:
10 if you are lucky or skilled.
100 or 1000 are enough to kill most people.

Arm and leg are pretty clear, you lose one of them
Head is a beheading

Big Mom face is probably the worst. Possibly worse than dying. No idea what it is though.

The very small circle in the very middle is the bullseye, and you get out unscratched.
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What did he mean by this?
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I believe in Pedro's ability to sneak around but is he strong enough to carry a poneglyph out of whole cake?
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>>143214923
I like his gag of deciding of a name for every battle plan before carrying it out better.
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The person Luffy sees standing is Jinbe's corpse.
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>>143214975
If that's true then it's too easy. Jinbe's skill with throwing water makes it easy to get a bullseye
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>>143214949
If Usopp dies it's at the very end, and it will be the bravest shit ever. ;_;7
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What if the person waiting for Luffy is Tamago?
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>>143214975
He's definitely landing on the Big Mom space.
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>>143215057
Kaya will become the cumdumpster of the village to fill the void in her heart that usopp left if he died
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>>143214923
Jinbe is for faggots anyway, remember that old Jimbeposter?
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>>143215043

>imba it is rigged, alive, and moving quickly.

Where is God Usopp when we need him?
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>>143214858
>That
>Yandere
Fuck no, that's just being arrogant and mean. Yandere is full blown "I'll kill all of you fuckers if you touch my man, so I can kill him". Nobody from Mom's family has shown that, but they might inherit her berserk rage if their spouse actually gets injured.
Their gimmick is that they're just incredibly loving people, albeit with huge baggage.
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Pedro is a traitor and will steal the poneglyph, only he accidentally takes the one Jimbei found and not the road poneglyph.

Screencap this.
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>>143215126
Preparing for the great pirate war against the living legend Buggy
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>>143214949

I can tell you my reasons

>Already split with the crew once, his renewed membership has made a lasting impact on his reputation in and out of the universe
>Has a connection to virtually everyone on the crew, and is one of the original members from East Blue
>Bounty and reputation have been climbing ever since he ditched the Sogeking persona
>Still considered the "weakest" crew member so his death would be seen as pointlessly cruel
>His primary dream (Become a brave warrior of the sea) is perfectly achievable as long as he dies in combat

My main theory right now is that his bounty is going to continue to go up until he's the second most wanted on the crew, and after that one of two things will happen

>Someone important (Blackbeard probably) comes to collect and kills Usopp
>Usopp commits a final act of piracy (Which will kill him) that's so grand in scale that if he had survived it would have put him ABOVE Luffy's bounty
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please vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/10563880
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>>143214975
>land on Big Mam space
>she takes your life-force and implants it into a random object or food, forcing you to become a disney character slave
It's the Hobby-Hobby fruit but even more broken. All of her living things are either people who said no to her or crews that she's conquered.
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>>143214858
I think this chapter shows that BM has the best daughters to marry as long as you get a QT out the pick.
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What is your ritual when reading the latest chapter of Nepec?
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>>143214949
Usopp seems likely.
Ditto with Brooke and Luffy.
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>>143215299
Where did it ever show her putting the life into inanimate objects
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>>143215099
>not fighting through an army of fodder to get to the arc boss
>still getting a fight
Make this happen, Oda!
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>>143215339
She hasn't yet, but those things near the start of this chapter imply that they can shuffle things around once she's removed years off of a person. It wouldn't be too far fetched of an idea at this point, and commanding the scenery of islands herself would make her more of a powerhouse.
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>>143215004
he's an autist
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>>143215099
>Big Mom sends out one of her mid-tier fighters to stop Luffy
Brilliant trap 10/10
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>>143215245
Nah.
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>>143214949
>Luffy
Very likely to die in the final chapter.
>Zoro
Not really.
>Nami
Nah.
>Usopp
Might happen.
>Sanji
Not after this whole wedding ordeal.
>Choppa
Too marketable.
>Robin
Might happen by Raftel just before she reveals the contents of the rio poneglyph.
>Franky
Not ever.
>Brooke
Already dead, yohohoho!
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>>143215313
Go to /a/
>It's out!
>... but not really
>it's out!
>still not out
>it's out
>oh shit it's out this time
>read
>back to 4chan
>discuss, shitpost
>do something else
>come back to shitpost
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>>143215286
Yea, no, that definitely won't happen. There are only a few bounty related happenings in the Crew. Zoro always gets a higher bounty than Luffy's last. He also gets the 2nd highest. And Sanji will always be 4th.

Honestly, there's no way someone actually thinks Usopp will get 2nd highest bounty, right? Not even as a gag. Oda doesn't do that. Especially with Zoro.
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Anyone else get the impression that Big Mom will be defeated sooner rather than later?

All the Big Mom plotlines seem to be converging. Jinbe is leaving Big Mom. Pedro had some traumatic past experience dealing with Big Mom. Pedro telling Luffy to get the Road Poneglyph, giving them no reason to come back.

I could see Sanji breaking off the marriage leading to a skirmish between Big Mom and Germa 66 (who will ally with Strawhats and everyone else)
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>>143215313
Read it while eating my lunch
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Will Brook live forever?
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>>143215245
Did you even read the chapter?
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>>143214775
well, seeing how she's very similar to luffy in her ideals and motivations, but with a creepy twist, she may be trying to sort of test his determination and willpower.
That is, if someone is willing to stand up to her and risk death for something they believe in, then they deserve to leave.
But of course she can't just let jimbe go free like that. People will think she's gone soft and everyone will try to leave.
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>>143215238
Yandere is, "crazy & cutesy." Typically with a person swapping between stalker/violent and adoring/cute.

Hancock is yandere. Someone threatens Luffy and she gets that death glare going. Or she has imagine spots about how every woman in the world is trying to steal Luffy from her.
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>>143215618
Seems that the crew still wants to deal with Kaido first more than anyone else. Stealing the Glyph and getting back Sanji won't defeat Big Mom. It will make her chase the Strawhats. So I reckon Big Mom still has a lot of time left.
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>>143215618
it seems that way, but I find it weird for Luffy to simply walk up and punch the crap out of her

Her crew definitely seems weaker than the other Yonkous though
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>you will never EVER lick Perona's sweaty dirty sour lolita feet after a hot summer day

;_;
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>>143214949
Luffy. Oda keeps talking about luffy shortening his life span. The gears, ivankov's hormone treatment
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>>143215245
Pedro is working for Kaido.
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>>143215525
Robin's not gonna die, she is the device Oda needs to tell the story of the ancient civilization

More importantly: Is OP gonna end when the crew reaches Raftel, or are they gonna try to abolish the world nobles/government?
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God Usopp tier
>Joy Boy Theories

Top tier
>Roger's Base
>OneWorldHD

Mid tier
>King of Lightning
>FlyingPandaTV

Bottom tier
>One Piece Japanese Theory 2
>Alpha2Late17

Buggy tier
>AnimeFanTalk
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>>143215605
>is called god usopp on poster
>got highest bounty by doffy
>has a ridiculously strong following
I can definitely see Usopp getting 2nd highest.
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>>143214858
hammerhead sharks are known to be fairly aggressive
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>>143215618
No duh this arc is to get BM out of the way. I doubt she will be defeated, the first yonko to be taken down will be kaido. this arc will just make sure that she stays out the strawhats way up until at least the last war where she might help.
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My god, Big Mom really is a best girl factory, isn't she?
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>>143215920
>Eiichiro "I literally can't stop sucking Zoro's massive nipon Dick" Oda
>Ever letting Usopp get 2nd highest bounty
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>>143215861
>Joy Boy theories
Pls elaborate
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>>143215929
and so is Big Mom
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>>143216001
Fuck off Sanji.
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>>143215961
Must be the Dad's genes.
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>>143215605
Except Oda isn't a Zoro fanboy like you guys, he's the author. If he really wants the joke to run Usopp will get his top-tier bounty.
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>>143216013
You never heard of the One Piece=All Blue theory?
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>>143215861
Blackbeard is defeated. The collapse of his body causes his power to devour him and create a black hole. Luffy is sucked in and sent to the past where he becomes Gol D Roger. The disease Gol had was just all the shit Luffy did with gears and hormones and poisons. Screencap this
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>>143215961
yes
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>>143215861
killys
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>>143214641
Nothing happens: the chapter
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>>143216063
So luffys son died so he can live go back in time, just to make him again and have it repeat?

kill yourself
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>>143216050
He already made that joke n Dressrosa
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>>143215605
>zoro always get a bounty higher then luffy last
No he doesn't, his bounty is 320 million while luffy last bounty was 400
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>>143216063
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>>143216080
he said best
not baby
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>>143216128
*you achieved 5 meme-points*
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>>143215792
>>143215953
I think, if there's one complaint about One Piece as a series, its the lack of sea battles that actually take place. The arc bosses are often defeated on their home turf. Or even turf in the literal sense.

It's clear from this chapter they won't be coming back to Big Cake Island/Big Mom territory.

>>143215813
>Her crew definitely seems weaker than the other Yonkous though
True if Pekoms is any indicator. He doesn't compare at all to, say, Jack.
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>>143216080
Stop it. She's not a Charlotte. She's a Jewelry.
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>>143216050
>Oda isn't a Zoro fanboy
If you're telling me that Oda doesn't give Zoro and Luffy special attention then I don't know what you've been reading. Sure, all the Strawhats gets their moments but Lufgy and Zoro have always been shown as a cut above others.
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>>143216170
father's last name
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>>143216168
>True if Pekoms is any indicator. He doesn't compare at all to, say, Jack.

But Jack was a jobber

I understand Oda wanting to build hype but Jack's billion completely ruined the bounty system
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>>143216212
Jewelry Sakazuki has a nice ring to it but I still think you're a faggot
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>>143216217
b8
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>>143215838
Pedro is a former pirate captain of the... let's say "Mink Pirates" and the one man who escaped Big Mom's crew. Some remnants of his crew stuck around after he left to return to Nekomamushi's service.
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>>143215838
I can buy that.
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>>143216233
How? He couldn't even beat the minks without Ceasar's gas weapon
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>>143216135
Luffy's track record is 30m, 100m, 300m, 400m, 500m.
Zoro's is 60m, 120m, 320m.

I realise that "last" is actually wrong in this case. My bad. Hopefully you know what I was trying to say.
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>>143216230
said the faglord
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Reminder that Momonosuke is Uranus and not in the hands of the World Nobles
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>>143216217
>I understand Oda wanting to build hype but Jack's billion completely ruined the bounty system
But Pekoms, with a lower bounty and being less destructive makes sense.
Jack tanked the biggest attack to date in this manga and is just hanging out on the bottom of the ocean. DF users biggest weakness can't kill him and neither could a walking island.
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>>143216275
We've been over this a million times already
fuck off
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What would make Luffy madder?

The death of Shanks or the death of one of his crew members?
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>>143216217
>there are still people who don*t get that Jacks bounty is so high because he kills whole island populations
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YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

DID Y'ALL NIGGAS SEE THIS

IT'S A FULL MOON

SHIT IS GONNA BE CRAZY

WE ALREADY KNOW SHIT IS GONNA BE CRAZY BECAUSE YONKOU INFILTRATION BUT NOW IT'S GONNA BE DOUBLE CRAZY
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>>143216168
>True if Pekoms is any indicator. He doesn't compare at all to, say, Jack.

But Pekoms wasn't stated to be one of Big Mom's top three guys, like Jack was.

As far as we know, Pekoms isn't even high ranked. His job is collecting candy after all.
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>>143216344

Luffy doesn't give a shit about Shuanksu.
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>>143216168
but is pekom's big mom's second in command?
jack may well be the strongest person in kaido's crew
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>>143216344
crew member because he sees them as his responsibilty
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>>143214641
Jinbei joining so long as he doesn't die was confirmed all the way back at Fishman Island. Nothing's changed except now his death is a lot more likely/evident.

If we assume all admirals are to be defeated at some point in the story (a big assumption I admit), who will defeat them?

I think:
Luffy, Jinbei, and Law vs Akainu
Zoro vs Fujitora (become friends after)
Usopp vs Green Bull
Blackbeard vs Kizaru
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>>143214812
Will this happen so he can be nerfed enough to not overshadow Sanji as the martial artist of the team?
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>There's someone standing at the coast
>About time
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>>143216378
that's not a full moon
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>>143216378
thats like 3/4 of a full moon
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>>143216378
>FULL MOON
It's a Gibbous
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>>143216414
it will be when the fights start
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>>143214949
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>>143216317
Probably because he's part fishman

>>143216364
Kid was known for civilian casualties and still couldn't get up to half of that

The other Yonkou crewsshould be just as destructive, yet the highest we've seen from them is Ace's 550,000,000 and he was the son of Gol D. Roger
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>>143216344
Definitely crew members. He said losing Sanji would be worse than being under Big Mom. Luffy absolutely, genuinely, a 101%, loves his crew. He always wants to get stronger to protect his crew members more than anything.
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>>143215004

What the fuck was that part about? We rarely get such pointless panels nowadays, especially during busy introduction chapters. I feel like it was mistranslated.
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I'm not looking forward to Jinbe joining.

It's not that I don't like him, it's that I'm not sure I'll like him with this group. The Sun Pirates should just join the Grand Fleet. And take that tasty giant mermaid lady with them.
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>>143216168
>lack of sea battles
I can see why though. Think about how badly the sunny would get destroyed having sea battles. Plus since the sunny is made out of a rare tree if it get to damage they wouldn't be able to fix it after a while. And how many scenes like the going merry would oda want to do
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>>143216404
Not unthinkable for them to have fallen into big mum's employ.
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>>143216378
Nigga, do you know what a circle looks like?
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>>143216450
>Probably because he's part fishman
no shit. except on the reader(s), Kaido and maybe some of their subordinates know that.
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>>143215929
Hammerhead Sharks are not known to be aggressive towards humans, if that's what you're trying to claim.

On the contrary only about 15 people have been attacked by a hammerhead shark in over 500 years, despite their constant presence in places like the gulf of mexico and hawaii where people swim all the time.

If you are swimming in the ocean and you see a hammerhead shark, it's not going to attack you, and it's considered a good omen.

fuck you for spreading ignorance about hammerhead sharks and Praline.
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>>143216364
>thre are still people who reply to obvious bait
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>>143216450
>Probably because he's part fishman

Holy shit, is Jack a lost son of Big Mom?!
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>>143216414
>>143216434
>>143216435
Well fuck this sure is embarrassing.

At least it'll be full when shit happens like >>143216438 mentioned.
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>>143216466
Or it's not meaningless.
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>>143216295
Yeah I get what you mean now
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>>143216397
But people claimed he could join because of his crew. And this chapter confirmed he would leave his crew to ride on luffys ship
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>>143216364
Jack's bounty is really high because Oda wanted us to know that he's a total badass on a different level.

Don't be fucking obtuse.
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>>143216450
>Kid was known for civilian casualties and still couldn't get up to half of that
well no shit, he just killed some people here and there and did not commit fucking genocide with gas and shit
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>>143214657
It really seems like Whitebeard was the least important/influential Yonko

Shanks has the connection to Roger and Raftel
Mom has the widest sphere on influence
Kaido is the strongest
Whitebeard is a monster too but largely just a legacy act
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>>143216438
pretty sure the moon is descending, there was a full moon in zou
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>>143215004
I was curious about this bit too.

Also I wonder what the fuck those weird black humanoid things were that had to clean up the son's body and not leave even a "single second" behind.
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>>143216510
>>143216438

for you guys to be correct, that means Sanji is not waiting on the coast and shenanigans will happen so that the fights start one day from now, in-universe
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>>143216438
The fights on Wano, sure.
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>>143216582
>Sanji is not waiting on the coast
what the fuck makes you think he is?
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>>143216558
>Kaido is the strongest

Whitebeard was the strongest. Are you stupid?
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>>143216582
>that means Sanji is not waiting on the coast
Okay? I don't see what this has to do with my post at all.
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>>143216563
no wanda said luckily there WASN't a full moon
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>>143216526
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>>143216556
Caesar invented that gas and was only worth 300 million

You're not convincing me that bounty is earned until I see some other Yonkou crews members with similar numbers
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>>143216542
On Fishman Island he directly told Luffy he'd join after he settled some unfinished business. Since then people speculated that it was a death flag. I'm sure there actually were retards making the argument you just made though, and I'm sorry you had to read them.

But the death flag argument still holds strong, other than that Luffy will really obviously try and save Jinbe if he needs to be saved.
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>>143216601
>>143216619
That is the sole reason they are heading to the coast. Sanji is supposed to be waiting for them.
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>>143216582
>so that the fights start one day from now
It would have to be around 3 weeks for the next full moon though.
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>>143214858
Everything shown about BM daughters so far shows they are nothing like BM
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>>143216643
then think whatever you want, faggot
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>>143216632
no, she said luckily the full moon is hidden by clouds
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Why Sanji's hated here ?
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>>143216558
Oda already showed us the ranking when Kaido tried to go to Marineford.

Shanks/Whitebeard > Kaido/Big Mom
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>>143216668
But he is not because pudding lied to them
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>>143215861
>guys, guys, hear me out on this, this theory
>i believe, i strongly believe, that soon, next chapter or chapter after that, we will be see the epic battle between the powers
>monki dee loofi.
>vs
>aa-kaa-ee-noo
>i know what you're thinking, but hear me out on this
>so aa-kaa-ee-noo has become the fleet admiral of the marines, he's fleet admiral, he's the strongest guy in one piece, but he also has a strong hatred towards loofi
>now loofi just came back after the time skip, what does aa-kaa-ee-noo do? nothing
>should the fleet admiral just stand by while his enemy is on the loose? no
>this is clear evidence that supports this theory, the theory of loofy vs aa-kaa-ee-noo
>not only that, but we will also see kaido
>oh boy, man, i can't take it
>my man kaido, strongest yonko
>vs
>marchall dee teach blackbeard
>it's gonna be so game, i can't wait
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>>143214923
>Aladine
Did Oda fuck up the romaji again?
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>>143216643
Wouldn't bounty just be how much the WG wants someone gotten rid of?
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>>143216709
fair
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>>143216617
Creatures > Men
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>Jinbei and Pedro
>they both have a role in the story already
>the only one who doesn't is Carrot
We have the new nakama. Also Big Mom killing Jinbei would make her a more intresting and intimitading villain.
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>>143216700
are you always this oblivious and retarded?
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>>143215838
All the minks on Zou knew about Raizo.
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>>143215109
>Big Mom space
We all know it's snoo snoo. Would explain how she has so many children
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>>143216706
Yes, it's called an opinion. I think Jack hurt the bounty system and will criticize oda for it until he demonstrates otherwise

>>143216732
That makes even less sense. How are they nearly twice as concerned with Jack than they are with the son of the Pirate King?
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>>143216668
But Sanji won't be there because he has to sort out shit with his father.
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>>143216378
>full moon
>it's not even remotely round
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>>143216617
WB was the strongest man, kaido is the strongest creature
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>>143216726
Right. So back to my original reply, I was supporting your ideas by affirming that Pudding was lying. Had she been telling the truth. Sanji would be waiting and no fights would occur.

Since she is lying, I bet they will be captured and the fights will happen the next day, when they make their escape.
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>>143216803
Because Ace was a nice guy that worked for Whitebeard, who was a nice guy.

Jack is a dick, who works for a dick.
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>mfw patiently waiting for Bonney to join
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>>143216769
Factually in the manga Kaido (who Law states cannot be reasoned with) tried to go to Marineford but was stopped in his tracks by Red Hair Shanks.
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>>143216827
He's been in while like for 2 days. He had time.
He won't be there because he doesn't know they were going to pick him up there
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>>143216840
It has clearly curved features. Sure, it's more of an oval but that moon is definitely "remotely round".
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>>143214641
What a disappointing chapter. I never believed Oda was a hack until now.

The sugar sea wouldn't fucking FREEZE.

Sugar is a natural anti-freeze, that's why humans have a genetic predisposition to diabetes -- it was a survival mechanism for the last ice age.

Considering dropping One Piece because of this chapter, Oda clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
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>>143216862
Whitebeard was undefeated until his death.
Kaido has been defeated and captured multiple times.
Shanks defeated Kaido immediately prior to Marineford.
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>>143216718
he isn't, it is just a meme
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>>143216013
His channel is called that. It's just a guy with a normal non-annoying voice having very plausible theories with actual basis too them, updates like once a day.
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>>143216873
The WG has never shown concern for whether someone was a nice guy in the past. Luffy saved the countries of Alabasta and Dressrosa and got bounty boosts for it

When have you ever heard Akainu sound worried about civilian casuallties? Caesar even thought he would want the poison gas weapon for himself
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>this fucking bounty argument AGAIN

It's embarrassing how far /a/ takes Oda's comments on bounties without actually thinking about what they represent in a broader sense.

This shit is power levels, plain and simple.
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>>143216877
Stopped =/= defeated
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>>143216558
>Whitebeard was the least important Yonko

"The man closest to One Piece" - who didn't even have a Road Poneglyph - was the least important Yonko?
Sure.
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>>143216719
still buying the liar Navy propaganda about Shanks and Kaido fought
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>>143216793
but Raizou doesn't know about the road poneglyphs and Pedro couldn't give up his true motives, working as a plant, by going after him. Tagging along with the Strawhats is a surefire way to get his hands on Big Mom's poneglyph.

Which, I'm sure he has been plotting ever since Sanji left Zou.
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>>143216885
>he had 2 days
Doesn't mean he has met the father yet, he'll he hasn't even seen his two older brothers. Plus we see how BM is when someone loyal tries to leave, do you think she will just give sanji a ship to go back home? So your argument is nonsensical and has no bases to prove it
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>>143216966
what was blackbeard's bounty again
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>>143216919
at least this bait is somewhat classy
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>>143216769
>Creatures > Men

Tell that to Orlumbus.
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>>143216970
Only because he had no interest in One Piece
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>>143216919
it's a molasses ocean.
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>>143216885
>He's been in while like for 2 days. He had time.
It's the whole point of this arc, it wouldn't have happened off-screen.
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>>143216967
1. Kaido has objective
2. Kaido cannot be reasoned with to cancel objective
3. Shanks cancelled Kaido's objective

It's really not hard anon. Shanks is a stronger yonko than Kaido, who's just a gimmick like Big Mom.
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>>143216966
>This shit is power levels, plain and simple.
so you do net even read this manga?
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I wonder if Kaido's Wanted Poster is "Dead Only", because they don't have any means to kill him themselves.
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>>143216988
>but Raizou doesn't know about the road poneglyphs

>locked in the room with the Road Poneglyph for who knows how long
>present during the discussion and reading of the Road Poneglyph

Not the person you're replying to but come on, anon. Stop trying to force theories for the sake of forcing theories.
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>>143217049
the meeting of the bride and groom did so why not this as well
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>>143217023
>what was blackbeard's bounty again

That's not really an argument, son.

And the fact that you made it shows me you're not really willing to listen to any arguments in the first place.
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>>143216709
>Cat Viper
>Dogstorm
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>>143216919
Oda is not the one writing the story anymore anon. Money got to him.
Sad but true
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>>143216558
Do you think Big Mom's fleet could attack Marineford, which had never fallen in "hundreds of years" according to Sengoku, and do as well as Whitebeard?

The answer is no faggot.
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>>143217032
Or he couldn't put it to use.
Whitebeard surely had no interest in One Piece, but he did try to make Ace the Pirate King.
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>>143217072
>so you do net even read this manga?

Yeah, I do. And I see Oda busting out powerlevels all the time.
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>>143216168
>if there's one complaint about One Piece as a series, its the lack of sea battles that actually take place.
Oda probably just doesn't want to repeat Baratie.
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>>143216617
>>143216970
I should have said strong but not using it for anything. He was just keeping the status quo
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>>143217135
so? when was Douriki mentioned the last time again?
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So humans are lesser minks because they are furless.
Chopper ate the Hito Hito no Mi so it literally makes him human. -> lesser mink
But actually Chopper is a superior mink because unlike the other minks he is able to understand and talk to animals.
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>>143214916
True
>Big Mom is threatening Jinbe
>We see why the Sun Pirates and Big Mom's Pirates are in a alliance due to a marriage
>The Straw Hat rescue team reach Whole Cake Island

Nice to see Oda sort out his pacing issues after the sloge that was Dressrosa.
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>>143217130
>Whitebeard surely had no interest in One Piece, but he did try to make Ace the Pirate King.

I don't think that was it. He did for Ace what he would've done for any of his sons
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>>143216999
You said he was not going to be there because he needs to talk to his dad.
But the reason he is not there is because he doesn't know Luffy was going to pick him up there at the shore
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>>143217069
Shanks fags are so naive.
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>>143217147
He attacked Marineford. You're right that we only witnessed the end of his era, but a mighty end it was.
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>>143217166
Stop responding to it.

christ fuck I forget how many shitposters show up during chapter release day
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>>143216499
You think she has eyes on the tips of her hair?
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>>143217111
you forgot to post your Yonji image, fagface
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>>143217093
Except that was a lie.
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>>143217166
That's just the example of that arc because that was the best idea Oda could come up with.

You really need to me cite every single power level example to you? Do you even read this manga?

>>143217200
waaah stop having discussions that conflict with what i believe
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>>143217192
Gedatsu performed the exact same feat of strength as Kaido when he was introduced. Falling from a sky island is not very impressive.
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>>143216925
>WB was undefeated until his death
Show me the chapter it said this?

>kaido has been defeated and captured multiple times
Ok and didn't oda say in a 1 on 1 kaido is always most likely to win

>shanks defeated kaido
This is your headcanon and speedreading logic as if you slowed down you would have read he fought kaido to a stand still he didn't defeat him.
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>>143217038
Molasses (sugar) mixed with an actual ocean. Sugary water is as hard to freeze as salt water. If it 'freezes' because of temperature drops at night, it should be arctic temperature.
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>>143217184
Sengoku himself stated that Ace was Whitebeard's prodege.
Also after Ace's death Whitebeard ordered specifically that Luffy got out of Marineford alive.
Shanks and Rayleigh have also helped Luffy become the Pirate King.
All of these men know what One Piece is and its capability to turn the world upside down. It's not a coincidence.
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>>143217269
Bounties are powerlevels? Explain Usopps bounty then
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>>143217371
He is just shitposting my man
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>>143217277
You are understimating how fucking heavier Kaido is compared to Gedatsu.
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>>143217321
>he brings real world physics into One Piece
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>>143217166
>so? when was Douriki mentioned the last time again?

There's more than just doriki. There's bounty, rank, the Baroque Works ranking, the Skypeia priest ranking, and probably more i'm missing. And a lot of those we don't see again.

You're thinking 'power levels' just means an easily quantifiable number like in Dragon ball, when it's not the same in One Piece. Oda has his ways of showing the reader who is stronger than who and bounty is one of them.
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>>143217279
It's stated that the only enemy who matched Whitebeard was Roger. I'm not showing you the chapter.

>Didn't Oda say in a 1 on 1 Kaido is always most likely to win
No he just had a character say that to add hype.

>fought Kaido to a stand still
Can you reference this chapter? If true that's amazing, because Shanks appeared at Marineford completely unharmed just two days later.
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>>143216925
>Kaido has been defeated and captured multiple times.
It's just his hobby. He let capture himself.
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>>143217431
>'power levels' just means an easily quantifiable number like in Dragon ball

That's because that's what power level fucking means.
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>>143217431
you have no clue what powerlevel actually means do you?
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>>143217371
A gag. A pretty constant gag throughout the series.

The readers know Usopp and how strong he is. We don't really need to know how his strength actually stacks up against others, since we already know he's suppose to be the weakest member.

Usopp is the legendary god pirate with 6000 follwers and yada yada. A gag, really.

>>143217412
The only shitposting here is you. Stop trying to police the thread, faggot.
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>>143217364
>Sengoku himself stated that Ace was Whitebeard's prodege.

That's what the Marines believed. They thought that the reasons Whitebeard took in Ace because he realized who he was and wanted to make him the next Pirate King

The Ace flashback revealed that he actually had no clue about it and wasn't even interested when he found out
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>>143217505
Oda has NEVER stated that Usopp is the weakest member and his feats of strength suggest that he is not.

When you try and correct me I'll point out how you're such a speed reader you can't even read an SBS without changing words.
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>>143216170
I just noticed that Jewelry has the woord jew in it. Few lad
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>>143217436
>No he just had a character say that to add hype
Not that anon but it was the Narrator who ssid that. For future reference.
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Carrotfags BTFO
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>>143217412
All these chapter release day threads are shitposting. The majority of OP threads for the last couple of years have been shitposting. Nothing is ever going to change when threads are primarily inhabited by underage newfags obsessed with arguing about everything imaginable and always getting the last word in.
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>>143217573
Please cite
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>>143216450
Kid was a rookie who was only relevant in the South Blue (which so far has been revealed to have fuck all in it) and the Grand Line, and likely never wiped out entire islands - the killed civilians were probably people who 'got in his way' so he probably never racked up a high deathcount

Jack has been pirating much longer than Kid and has had more opportunities to build up a reputation that would grant him such a high bounty - probably a mix of destroying cities and being the subordinate of a Yonko. Being active in the New World probably inflates your bounty aswell, as everyone's much stronger
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>>143217505
>I it's just a gag bro
fuck off
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I haven't read since they got to the top of the elephant island thing.
what did I miss
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>>143217543
Whitebeard knew Ace was a D., he didn't know he was Roger's son.
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>>143217562
>Oda has NEVER stated that Usopp is the weakest member

Yeah he has.
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>>143217607
Brook is Zoros dad
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Fuck it, I'll say it. Why does everyone have a hard-on for this woman? She looks trashy.
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>>143217562
there are many things people mention that oda supposedly said but didn't, but this one is actually true.

>Tanaka wonders if it was even necessary considering the heavy impact of Luffy VS Usopp and comments on what a wonderful character is. Oda says he's the closest to a human in the series with everyone else being super human. He feels that as Usopp slowly gets stronger, his readers can feel the same way and get stronger too. Tanaka loves how when Luffy and team go off leaving Nami and Usopp behind then they both say, "Counting on you -_-;" Oda says there are certain things he wants to keep the same because it will just upset the balance. No matter who joins, he always wants Usopp to be the weakest, he always wants Chopper to believe Usopp's lies. There are just some weaknesses he wants them to carry.
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>>143217626
No he hasn't. He has never ever, ever ever ever, stated that Usopp is the weakest member of the crew.
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>>143217603
Jinbe said you have to do crazy shit to get further increases after 300 million

Attacking Marineford and beating Doffy only got Luffy another hundred for each
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>>143217621
>Whitebeard knew Ace was a D., he didn't know he was Roger's son.

Well, of course. He knew Teach was too
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>>143217646
What the fuck is this? A quote describing a quote?

Oda stated that Usopp would always be the most "human" of the crew. He DID NOT state that he would always be the weakest.

You just idiotically assumed "human" meant weak.
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>>143217188
>he's not going to be there since he has to talk to his father
I'm a different anon I never claimed that.

>he won't be there since he doesn't know

I'm sure you're a lyingfag using your own logic. Which I'm sure goes something along the lines of "pudding is for sure lying since I can't trust her. so she won't tell sanji meaning he won't be there because she's an enemy." Tell me if I'm on the wrong track.

For all we know that is sanji at shore waiting. We keep seeing that BM own daughters aren't like her and make decisions that goes against her.
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>>143217645
You looks trashy
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>>143217594
Just look at the chapter where he falls down.
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>>143217645
Your mommy looks trashy you fucking queer boi
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>>143217481
>That's because that's what power level fucking means.

Not in One Piece. Oda writes this manga for young boys, and young boys can actually be concerned with something like that.

That's why when Oda makes a set of villains or whatever, he gives his young boy reader an easy way for them to know who is stronger than who so when the fights start, they make sense to them.

For CP9, they were ranked by douriki. Zoro fought the guy with the second highest, and Sanji fought the third highest.

In Skypiea, the priests had their trials with 'survival rates'. Zoro fought the guy with the 0% surivival rate, so he was the strongest. Chopper beat the guy with 50%, thus the weakest.

Alabasta, Baroque Works were literally ranked by number in terms of strength. It was stated as much.

The same works with bounty. Oda would give a guy a bounty of 500 million because he pissed on Akainu's carpet or something. He wants the reader to see that a guy with a bounty that huge must be really fucking strong.

Makes sense, right? If this honestly doesn't make sense to you, I will explain if further for you.
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>>143217681
We know that Teach is different from most other D.s though.
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>>143217701
Wasn't that Urouge speaking?
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>>143217621
>he didn't know he was Roger's son
Slow down Kizaru san.
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>>143217685
Find the 'most human' quote and tell me, the 'weakest' quote is not there as well
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>>143217685
It literally says in that same quote that Oda says he will be the weakest.
This is sppedreading on a new level
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>>143217371
b
take arlong. Imagine he starts murdering people like kidd does. After the second island he would have been taken down by smoker, or hina, or whoever.
Being more dangerous and thus having a higher bounty means the marines will try harder to catch you, and only the stronger will survive and escape. A bounty is definitely a good way to gauge a pirate's minimum strenght.

There are exceptions of course. People who are in the process of rising, like luffy at the beginning of the story. People who keep quiet, like blackbeard at the beginning. Or when oda is playing it for laughs.
>but robin as a child
robin wasn't a pirate. She didn't navigate with a flag on her ship announcing her presence and attack islands. She hid.
And usopp is part of luffy's crew, he doesn't navigate alone. He has luffy's protection. And anyway his bounty isn't higher than luffy, so he won't bring a greater attack on his crew from the marines than luffy himself does.
But for pirates who aren't hidin, and who navigate on their own? Their bounty reflects their strenght because if they didn't have the power to back up the threat that they represent for the government they'd be in jail.
And actually for rising pirates the bounty may underestimate their strenght.
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>>143216128
Shut the FUCK up you piece of shit
S-something happened..
Oda-san would never let a chapter pass without n-nothing happening...Fuck you!!!!! :"3
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>>143214641
So why did Jinbei think that it would be a good idea to tell Big Mom he wants to quit her crew?
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>>143217741
wew, you just make up your own defintion of powerlevels and then think other people have to agree with you, fuck off and go back to plebbit
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>>143217686
Nope I'm not. It's just obvious that if is not Sanji pudding did not tell him
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>>143217749
What? How the hell did you even get that? Have you spent all these months thinking that was Urouge?
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>>143217749
are you srs
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>>143217645
Amazon fetish. Look at her. She's huge.
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>>143217808
He had to for the sake of his own crew and the people of FI
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>>143217805
>replying to your own posts
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>>143217741
This is not a fucking argument. Powerlevel is a term with a set meaning. Saying "one piece uses different powerlevels than dragon ball" is no different than saying "one piece doesn't use powerlevels". You're just unwilling to let the word go for whatever reason.
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>>143217741
explain please
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>>143217811
Then actually explain how I'm wrong using your words instead of your 'plebbits'

If you don't mind.
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>>143217749
No. Urouge was there, and I can see why you'd make the mistake, but it was definitely narrator text boxes.
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>>143217645
I love shark teeth and freckles combi but her granny hairstyle rubs me the wrong way
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>>143217845
Yeah, and so is Big Mom, but that doesn't make her any less ugly.
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>>143217765
No problem.
>>143217779
That's not a primary source faggot. That's someone SAYING "Oda said!" just like you're doing. Sure it's a voice actress, for the anime that let Zoro cut steel before he could.

Does anyone know which SBS number Oda talks about Usopp being the most human? I'm currently reading through them all because I know it's there...
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>>143217929
>doesn't want to experience Mama's big lips around his cock

What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>143217645
She seems like one of those sulists from US. Like Texas or Arizona.

and I have a big turn on for those girls and her accents
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Is Pedro autistic?
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>>143217929
>big mom is ugly
shit taste desu
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>>143217936
I should have been more clear.
I was not who posted the quote, and I don't vouch for its credibility.

That said, I recently re-read all the physical volumes I have, and I don't recall seeing that quote. (That only goes up to 78 currently)
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>>143217269
These power levels all clearly exist to hype up villains and give fights a greater sense of importance.

Although there are exceptions and 'counters' to certain powers/characters, it's pretty clear that Oda wants power levels to exist to create hype.

Bounties CAN be used as a measure of threat to the world government (hence Usopp and Robin), but yeah, it's pretty obvious when Oda drops a bounty for a foreboding new character he wants us to see that character as a potent threat.
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>>143217880
>I think that A=B
>That doesn't make any sense because A isn't B
>Yes but one piece uses A differently, they use A in a way that completely changes what A is until it turns into B
>then it's not using A, you're just using a different word to describe B
>No it's totally using A
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>>143217862
Power levels are meant to reflect a character's strength, and that's what Oda does. To say that the bounties are meaningless in reflecting strength, as I often see /a/ posters do, is just flat out wrong.

To say that Jack's bounty of a billion must be 'wrong' because he couldn't overpower the Minks or that Ceasar is actually weak because he just makes weapons is wrong. Oda knows what he's doing when he gives out these numbers.

>>143217875
Which part?
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>>143217929
I'd totally fuck Big Mom tho.
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>>143217929
fag

She has 43 husbands, clearly she must be a fucking beast in bed
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>>143217936
it's an interview from a 10th anniversary special with oda, led by mayumi tanaka.

Anyway, good luck finding it
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Jinbefags BTFO'd
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>>143218056
>Which part?
All
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>>143218106
>implying Jinbei won't get the BM head with the crown
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Really, what did Brook mean by this?
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>>143218170
Nothing. Literally nothing
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>>143218170
wait till monday
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>>143218023
WUT
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>>143218170
Just wait until VIZ is out and we know what he was actually saying before you even try to guess.
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>>143217099
I'm thankful for whoever interpreted Cat Viper from the text, because that's what I'm gonna name my cat when I get one
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>>143218023
Yes.

>>143218037
>These power levels all clearly exist to hype up villains and give fights a greater sense of importance.

Yeah, same as in a lot of other manga.

>Bounties CAN be used as a measure of threat to the world government (hence Usopp and Robin)

Robin's bounty does reflect her strength though. When we first saw Robin, we didn't know anything about her backstory or Ohara or any of that. She was introduced as Ms. All-Sunday, the second strongest member of Baroque Works, second only to a Shichibukai, and her bounty of 79 million was meant to reflect that to the readers.
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>>143218153
Which makes him her next husband.
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>>143218153
>Crown means Marriage
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>>143217135
Douriki was literally a gag that was confined to that particular arc
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Who is on the coast? Jinbei or Pudding?

Place your bets now faggots and prepare to get BTFO next chapter
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>>143218170
He's lucky
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>>143218287
axehand morgan
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>>143218042
It's not about it being just like Dragonball.

It's really more about the argument that bounties don't reflect strength, when they clearly do.
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>>143218264
>Douriki was literally a gag

No, it was literally Oda's power ranking system for that arc because CP9 don't have bounties or 'trials' or ranks to go by.
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>>143218332
As stated by Oda, they don't.
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>>143218332
It sure was great that time Luffy beat Kuma because his bounty was 4 million higher, right?
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>>143218287
Why the fuck wouldn't it be Pudding?
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>>143218287
Pekoms, obviously.

He's there with the enemy that absconded with him.
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>>143218287
It's Vivi. She's finally ready to start he life as a pirate.
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>>143218287
Condoriano
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Are there any doujins where Nami and Robin have a threesome with one guy? I know they get into groupsex a lot but any with them double-teaming just one man?
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>>143218287
Bobbin
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>>143218287
Foxy
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What's Jinbe losing?
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>>143218436
Pretty sure I found a good one with Nami Robin and Sanji once, I'll have to find it though
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>>143218287
Zolo, he got lost and ended up on Whole Cake Island.
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>>143218106
What if, just hear me out, it hits the bullseye instead?
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>>143218372
>Luffy beat Kuma
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>>143218287
Michael and Hoichael from the backstreets
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>>143218287
Jinbei's got a pretty unique silhouette. If it was him they would probably know.
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>>143218522
His virginity
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>>143218522
Hitting Big Mom space for sure.
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>>143218522
his gills
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Brook will be important in this arc because he can communicate with the death realmers, cap this
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>>143218522
his anal virginity
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>>143218106
>>143218522
Is "roulette" a mistranslation? Because that looks more like a dart-board.
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>>143218436
got your back pham
https://nhentai.net/g/159739/
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>>143218522

Leg or ten year.
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>>143218606
Probably, but who throws the dart?
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>>143218549
>reading comprehension
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What is Big Mom's policy on yo mama jokes?
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>>143217436
>It's stated that the only enemy who matched Whitebeard was Roger.

I'm sure this (pic related) is what you're talking about. Which is totally different from what you said, that statement would be false anyway as roger him self said that garp and him both almost killed each other on multiple occasions.

>people hyping him
Most things said about yonkos are hype from people anon. Plus it was in his introduction oda said some like "in a one on one bet on kaido"

>if that's true then that's amazing
I don't see how that's amazing they both are yonko. So for them to fight at a standstill isn't crazy or amazing but expected.
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>>143218372
Is there really a reason for the indignant sarcasm in what is mostly a civil discussion? Because comments like that can easily be construed as shitposting.

Are you a shitposter?
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>>143218522
his great blue fishballs.
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>>143218572
>Luffy
>recognize a silhouette

Just look at Sogeking=/=Usopp and how the fake straw hats tricked him.
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>>143218665
The thing is, Buggy is hardly a reliable source.
Because he's Buggy.
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>>143218546
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>>143218600
she will do her spirit swipe at Brook and his soul will leave his body
Big Mom, shocked and puzzled
>...92 years?
Brook screaming and terrified
>Ahhh!!! Luffy-san help me!!
Big Mom eats him. After which, Brook floats out of her belly unharmed and reanimates his body.
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>>143218368
As SHOWN by Oda, they do.

In universe reasons for having bounties don't correlate to the literary reason for bounties.
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>>143218668
I'm agreeing with your statement that bounties are proof of how strong a character was by fondly remembering the time that Luffy beat Kuma because he had a higher bounty. Or that other time when Blackbeard, who had a bounty of zero, lost to Higuma. Because if your statement was true, then these are things that would have happened in the series.
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>>143218735
Or negative years, since he's already dead...
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>>143218547
He probably live to see another day if he hits the bullseye.

It seems that the focus of the arc are Sanji, Jinbe and maybe Brooks if he is hiding something.
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>>143218728
>The thing is, Buggy is hardly a reliable source.

But....he was there. He was literally right there to see Roger and Whitebeard fight to a standstill.
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>>143218784
>I'm agreeing with you

No, you're answering my question of "are you a shitposter?" with a resounding 'yes'
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>>143218287
but who is on the boat? behind carrot?
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>>143218600
There's not a lot of discussion around these guys. Did I miss a chapter that they feature in or something?
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>>143218780
So about Ener's theorethical 500 million bounty.
I guess that was the strongest guy Luffy fought prior to Dressrosa huh.
Or that "over 500 million" of Chinjao, I guess he'd make Doffy a complete chump.
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>>143218735
>>143218785
Takes 50 years from Brook, and then Big Mom turns into a 20 years old hottie.
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>>143218909
yeah.
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>>143218936
Or still fat, but younger...
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>>143218909

Doffy bounty was frozen for a long time bc he was a schichibukai. And even before that it is said that he climbed really fast then asked immediatly the title.
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>>143218839
Speaking of which, does Buggy know the Void History?
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>>143218784
Kuma was already introduced as a major player before Luffy ever tried to punch him. There was no reason for Oda to hype him up further or make his bounty higher than what it was, because at the time of his introduction, when Luffy bested a man with a former 81 million bounty, a bounty of 296 million must have looked absolutely obscene to the reader.

And Higuma and Blackbeard have never met or fought. I don't know what kind of point you're making there.
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>>143218900
They appeared for the first time in this chapter. Something definitely is up with them, seems like they are connected with death in someway because this scene is about Moscatos death
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>>143218839
That's not what I meant, my bad. I meant the statement "he is the strongest". Buggy probably isn't the best gauge of that, assuming he even knows of the other Yonko.
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>>143218287
Lucci
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Someone DIED in this chapter
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>>143218988
But that means it's not a reliable gauge of his powerlevel.
I wonder why that is?
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>>143218899
nice double doubles

Luffy a shit, he should already sense with his CoO
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>>143218909
Bounty has nothing to do with strength but is more related to how much the guy pisses the government off. In fact, bounty never made any sense because if we go by 'potential danger' then Robins bounty should be multiple billions or an infinite amount because shes by far the biggest threat on the entire planet.
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>>143218909
>So about Ener's theorethical 500 million bounty.

He's a man with world conquering ambition and an obscenely broken devil fruit power, even for a Logia. When you think about the guys after Enel that he's actually defeated (ie no admirals), he's probably still up there.

>Or that "over 500 million" of Chinjao, I guess he'd make Doffy a complete chump.

They clarify this right in the manga, speed reader. "I don't know how weak he's gotten with age, but when he was a pirate his bounty was over 500 million!" Chinjao himself said that his strength was taken by Garp and that he's been retired for 30 years.
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>>143216919
The fuck are you on about like seriously, you are aware you can freeze sugary mixtures. You probably don't even know what freezing entails
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>>143219058
Who?
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>>143219009
niggerstream fucked the translation up in the first panel the first time, here is the fixed version and it makes these creatures pretty interesting, is some timelord shit going on here or what?
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>>143219061

Yeah it's not. The reason is obvious, outdated bounty.
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Bounties are like bling.
You can't walk through a bad neighboroud with jewelry exposed without being robbed unless you are a tough motherfucker.
And the more bling you have the tougher you need to be, regardless of how you've acquired your bling.
Now someone may not have a lt of bling even tough they're tough because they''ve just started acquiring bling.
Someone may have a lot more bling than he can carry but he's fine because he's in a strong gang that protects his ass. (usopp)
Or maybe they have happened on a lot of bling but they keep it hidden in their purse so nobody knows(kid robin)
And few may even try to bluff by keeping a lot of bling on them so that people believe that they're tougher than they are. But that won't work for long because sooner or later somebody will challenge you. Unless you are incredibly lucky.
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>>143219061
>But that means it's not a reliable gauge of his powerlevel.

It's not, but think about when Doffy was introduced. Luffy had his toughest battle ever, beating a Shichibukai who had a bounty more than double his own.

And then we see the rest of them, guys with bounties even higher than that. They were meant to look like super tough and important guys to the reader at the time.
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>>143219123
Are you not reading the discussion in the thread? Did you just come in?
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>>143219192
I'm guessing when BM pulled out Muscat's time, there were a few "crumbs" left behind.
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okay so, who the fuck is this?
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>>143219226
>Bounties are like bling.

Go away.
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>>143219150
Yes. So what you are saying is that they aren't accurate representations of their actual strength.
Ener loses the instant a decent Haki user comes to play. Zoro comes to mind, and he's just a meager 320 million. So it follows that a decent chunk of that bountry comes from him being a nutjob, which means it doesn't represent how strong he is at all.
The same applies to Chinjao. Yeah, he's not in his prime. Your bounties don't disappear. He's still over 500 million. He's not strong enough to fit that bill anymore.
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>>143219264
I just read the quotes and dont see how I was off.

Problem is that he should probably go by bounties because people are still to stupid to tell power levels. Half this thread will claim that Luffy is stronger than Doflamingo for example, even though Oda making it really damn clear that he isnt even remotely on his level.
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>>143219061
>But that means it's not a reliable gauge of his powerlevel.
correct
>I wonder why that is?
Because he's a shichibukai. It's clearly stated in the manga. And just as clearly it doesn't apply to non-shichibukai.
Oda makes a point to tell the readers that the bounties of shichibukai are frozen and don't reflect their real strenght. Because the others do.
Except for a few exceptions, and in those cases too the maga tells us why they are exceptions.
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>>143219294

Nami.
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>>143219027
The other Yonkou seem like they're old enough to easily have been prominent in those days.
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>>143219342
>Half this thread will claim that Luffy is stronger than Doflamingo for example, even though Oda making it really damn clear that he isnt even remotely on his level.

What are you talking about? Doffy couldn't even land a hit on G4 Luffy
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>>143219235
So again, it's not representative of their actual strength. It's there to hype them up, which is entirely different.
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>>143219327
>Ener loses the instant a decent Haki user comes to play.

So you think Boa Sandersonia can defeat Enel? Haki doesn't automatically mean you win, faggot. It's not an indicator of strength.
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>>143215313
Read it, come here for some discussion, fuck right off for the next six days until there's a new chapter. On breaks, I'll lurk around, but won't post.

Right now I'm at the border of fucking right off.
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>>143219344
The manga also tells us that they don't reflect your strength period.
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>>143219294
Lady Vinsmoke
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>>143219342

stfu Gear 4 Luffy is ten times stronger. Wait and look at Luffy says "Oh i ate so much sweet i can last 50min this time" and kick the ass of Big Mom.
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>>143219401
boa sandersonia can win against anyone. She won my heart in just a few seconds
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>>143219377
I dont know. Maybe about the fact that Doflamingo had to deal with AIDS while fighting. Or the fact that Luffy required and entire island to delay the cage to win. Or maybe the moment when hundreds of people sacrificed their lives so Luffy could recover while Doflamingo was standing and fully capable of fighting.

But sure, Luffy had a shot. Definitely would have won without thousands upon thousands of people supporting him. Sometimes I ask myself if you people even read the manga or if you just start shaking from excitement as soon as the MC wins a fight and claim for him to be DA STRONGEZT
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>>143219401
Let me rephrase that.
"A strong character that also has haki"
The moment someone reasonably strong that can get past his intangibility comes to play he's out.
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SHARKS
SHARKS WITH TITS
SHARK TITS
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>no one has ever lived after leaving big mom
>here's a roulette, it's 50/50
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>>143219327
>The same applies to Chinjao. Yeah, he's not in his prime. Your bounties don't disappear. He's still over 500 million. He's not strong enough to fit that bill anymore.

Which is why he was surrounded by clarification.

He's a legendary pirate with a 500million bounty and rivaled Garp etc, but everyone around him kept talking about how old he was now.

If anything, the fight with Chinjao was to hype up just how strong Luffy had become by actually defeating a guy from Roger's era.

We're talking about how Oda means to portray a character's strength to the reader
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>>143219327
>meager
To be fair, that is actually really impressive considering his bounty is higher and near other Captains from his generation. I know what you mean, considering the 500mils and 1b and all. But I just wanted to say this. Carry on, friend.
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>>143219347
nah dawg, nami is shown later on the same page not wearing armor.
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>>143219456
>Missing the part where Luffy's King Kong Gun easily plowed through Doflamingo's strongest attack

The whole stamina shit was pointless and was only added in to add drama to a fight that had no business having any
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Theory time:
The reason big mom is huge is because she is hiding her poneglyph in her stomach.
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>>143219529

she was wearing armor as a joke on one panel that's all.
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>>143219481
>>143219481
>The moment someone reasonably strong that can get past his intangibility comes to play he's out.

Luffy got past his intangibility and he still had a fight on his hands.

Luffy was also comletely immune to all of his most devastating attacks. And I don't think there are too many people out there who'd be completely immune to him. Again, even for a Logia, his power is really fucking broken.
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>>143219423
>The manga also tells us that they don't reflect your strength period.

Even though that's wrong based on what the manga shows us.
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>>143218218
Slow down speed D reader Robin was given that bounty as a child it had nothing to do with strength, Sometimes have never been a direct referrence to strength Dragon that man the guy with the highest bounty is neither the world's strongest man or Creature, but he poses the biggest threat to the WG.
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>>143219607
Dragon could be the strongest. His second in command is capable of clashing with an admiral
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>>143219607
>Slow down speed D reader Robin was given that bounty as a child it had nothing to do with strength

Did you even read what I wrote there?
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>>143219544

Also missing the part where Luffy knocked off Doffy like he was nothing and missed the last blow only because he did stop to talk with peasants.
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>>143219572
Luffy had more difficulties reaching Ener after he was dropped down that actually fighting him.

Lightning isn't a particularly strong power, honestly. (As in, in a story where characters have the power to wipe out towns, or even islands, it's not exactly impressive)
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>>143217645
Anything that looks female gets a fan following here. And by here I mean all of 4chan. You don't even have to be a fan of something to be a waifufag. Simply slap tits on it and there you go.
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>>143219607
>Slow down speed D reader

Is this post meant to be ironic?
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>>143218094
The quote isn't Oda speaking though, it's someone speaking for him. I'd rank this with the databooks at best.

That said, I've just gone through every SBS on the wiki (which may be a mistake to even use) and I cannot find any reference to Usopp being weak or human. Strangely, the one piece wiki references this same SBS, but does not cite it, and does not have it on its own pages.
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>>143219606
>Oda is wrong because I say so
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>>143219544
All this proves is that Luffy had more raw strength, which isnt the only indicator for power or ability genius. Not even gonna start on the fact that pushing from above is generally easier then doing so from below, especially mid air.

>The whole stamina shit was pointless and was only added in to add drama
No point in continuing this. If thats what you do now, claim that plot elements are irrelevant because they dont suit your narrative, then youre as mentally challenged as teh vast majority of the people posting in these threads.

Thats why I said that sometimes it would be better to just release a bounty to show off powerlevels, then people like you wouldnt be able to shit fling like this anymore.
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>>143219554
She's eating Ceasar's candy.
Has the side effects of gigantism plus obsessive addictive behavior.
Also Doffy providing Whitebeard with medical supplies, Kaido with smile and saying he was the one who held the reins on the world after his defeat.

Was Doffy secretly the guy in charge of the whole New World?
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>>143219487
We already saw a shark with tits in fishman island, remember arlong's sister?
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inb4 Luffy eats Mama's meat
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>>143219327
>Ener loses the instant a decent Haki user comes to play
No. It needs to be a powerful haki user. Someone whose bounty would be in the hundreds of million beris.
>He's still over 500 million. He's not strong enough to fit that bill anymore.
because he's retired, and the manga tells us this clearly.
Seriously, do you have some kind of learning problem? I'm not asking to make fun of you, I'm genuinely interested.
Are you unable to contextualize things?
Do you follow sport? Do you know that athletes are paid by teams to play for tehm? And that the stongest athletes gets paid more? So you can use their pay to determine the general tier of how good they are at their sport, can't you?
Of course there are exceptions and it's not a very precise instrument. Someone who is paid 100000 dollars than another may not necessarily be better than him. And someone may receive a huge pay and turn out to be a flop, and the reverse may also happen.
But in general better athletes get paid more, and even if you can't use their pay to determine precisely who is better between 3 or 4 athletes who have similar high pays you may still determine the general category in which they fit.
And of course at some poit they retire. But is it so difficult to figure out that if chinjao is old and has been inactive for years he's probably not as good as he was back when he received the bounty?
But his bounty isn't completely invalid. It doesn't tell us how powerful he is now, but it tells us how powerful he was in his prime.
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>>143219554
Deepest theory time:
Big Mom stole the life of someone and put it into the road poneglyph.
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>>143219773
the more the better
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>>143219697
>Lightning isn't a particularly strong power, honestly. (As in, in a story where characters have the power to wipe out towns, or even islands, it's not exactly impressive)

He can restart his heart.
He move at the speed of lightning.
He could fry someone from an island away for speaking ill about him
He can also wipe out towns (when he first got his power, he destroyed his home island)
He can travel through conductive metal
Fucking thunder alchemy

His power is pretty fucking good.
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>>143219792

Din't think about it but that's almost sure. And the poneglyphe speak in a lost language.
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>>143219792
So he can tell what is written on him?
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>>143219792
>and put it into the road poneglyph
Big Mom doesn't transfer souls. She just takes other peoples lives. Her giving life to things is just her awakening.
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>>143219423
except or all the characters who use bounties as an indication for how powerful that person is.
The manga doesn't tell us that bounty doesn't reflect strenght. It tells us how it's acquired. But if someone doesn't have the strength to back up a high bounty it won't be long till his bounty is claimed.
Hence a bounty reflects strength and the characters in the manga are aware of it.
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>>143219750
>No point in continuing this. If thats what you do now, claim that plot elements are irrelevant because they dont suit your narrative

How was it relevant? Doflamingo never even got close to him. The reader could skip from chapter 785 to 790 with the only thing of any importance they missed being the fighting between Sabo and Burgress

Doflamingo was completely helpless when Luffy was in G4. Even his awakened ability only allowed him to play defense and stall for time

I seriously thought we were done with Doffyfags.
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>>143219789
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't your point that various things are used to make it clear to kids where characters stand in the hierarchy of strength?
Telling them someone used to be hot shit doesn't give them that information at all.
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>>143219554
>>143219765
I can get down with the candy, but One Piece has had giant humans early on. Franky's three guys were huge naturally.
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>>143219734
Not that anon, but I think this pedantry over "Oda said" regarding subjective things like this is really silly.

If you read the manga having no idea what "Oda said" about it, and you reasonably have the impression that a person with a really absurdly high bounty is likely to be stronger than a person without, it's reasonable to conclude a correlation.

You can't call a bounty a power level though, because even without any statement by Oda, several weak characters have had high bounties for the time period of the story that we were in, and Blackbeard had a 0 bounty until he tried to sink Marineford with Quake, and defeated Ace (500,000,000 bounty and commander on a yonko ship) easily.

So at best, in situations where a bounty was obtained because of abject violence and destruction, you can say that a bounty is an indicator of strength. A useful but non binding tool.
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If kaido wanted to kill himself why didn't he ask big mom to succ his soul?
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>>143219903
Animefantalk go home!
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>>143219918
>Telling them someone used to be hot shit doesn't give them that information at all.

No, but it makes it more believable that Luffy was able to overcome Chinjao at his level.

Because if Luffy is currently on the level of Chinjao and Garp in their prime, why would he struggle with Doflamingo?
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>>143219903
I was under the impression that she takes x "life" and then can place it into y "object."

Thus the cloud, the ship, etc, actually being alive. She needs life force to do that. Soul or not.
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>>143219860
He can only move at the speed of lightning when he turns into the element, which is limited to a degree.
It's nice that he can fry a normal human with what amounts to regular lightning, but nobody of worth isn't a normal human. Sure, he has more voltage than that, but even at the max he has shown, it's not super impressive.
He needs a huge amount of preparation to wipe out the island.

I'm not saying his power isn't good, but it lacks comparative offensive power compared to other stuff in the series.
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>>143214975
Wait, so nothing happens if he lands on the two ones with BM's face?
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>>143219964
Or why didn't he let Moria cut his shadow and then go to sunlight?
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>>143219908
>Even his awakened ability only allowed him to play defense and stall for time
>only stall time
How is that 'only' if the person is virtually dead for 10 minutes after exhausting all the energy available to him? To you seriously think that being defensive, waiting for an opening is anything but a legitimate tactic? You see this shit in sports on a daily basis, in corporate politics, in general politics etc.

So tell me, how would Luffy had won had he not been protected, had people not delayed the cage, had Law not infected Doflamingo with AIDS? You know what, lets ignore the last two and just go with the first one. When he ran out of haki, and Doflamingo was still more than able to fight, how could he have won? Let me tell you: He couldnt have which means that he would have lost on his own.
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>>143215004
prob he meant "Will of the D."
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>>143219907
Yeah, tell me about how Robin's bounty was claimed when she was still a weak child.
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>>143219964
It's already stated why when Kaido is introduced.
Any guaranteed kill against him will fizzle instead. The narrator states that spears will bend rather than pierce him.
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>>143215043
The winner is Vander Decken.
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>>143220038
>She needs life force to do that. Soul or not.
We don't know that, but either way the things she's given life to say "Ship, ship" and "carpet, carpet" not "I'm cletus, please release me from this pitiful existence", meaning they are essentialy just living ships and carpets.

>>143220023
literally kill yourself my nigga
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>>143220031
Doflamingo was the fifth strongest pirate captain of his era. He wasn't a yonko because there can only be four of them.

It's unbelievable that Luffy managed to beat him at all, and required a god tier attack.
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>>143219607
>Robin was given that bounty as a child it had nothing to do with strength
and it was clearly explained to us that it was an exception and why it was an exception .
And she wasn't a pirate. She didn't navigate with a flag announcing her presence. She kept herself hidden.
So you are using a case that was explicitly explained in the manga to go against the norm and why it happened to support your point regarding all the other situations that aren't like robin and that are in fact exactly how people in the OP world expect to be(hint: people in the OP world treat bounties as powerlevels)
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>>143220115
She did sunk those ships.
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>>143220051
>He can only move at the speed of lightning when he turns into the element, which is limited to a degree.

We didn't really see any limits actually. In fact, I'd chalk up to Oda not having Enel just overwhelm Luffy with speed to him suddenly realizing just how fucking fast lightning is as he was writing it.

I shudder to think how stupid it's going to look when someone actually defeats Kizaru.

>It's nice that he can fry a normal human with what amounts to regular lightning, but nobody of worth isn't a normal human. Sure, he has more voltage than that, but even at the max he has shown, it's not super impressive.

Where do you come from that this is "regular lightning"?
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>>143219960
That sounds fairly reasonable.
Because yes, most people that don't know better, will use bounties as an indicator, and it's likely to work out, but it is not meant as an proper gauge of strength in itself.
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>>143219487
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>>143220098
>How is that 'only' if the person is virtually dead for 10 minutes after exhausting all the energy available to him?

Because he had no way of knowing the exact time that Luffy could maintain G4. and for all of his efforts he was only a millisecond away from being thoroughly BTFO

>So tell me, how would Luffy had won had he not been protected, had people not delayed the cage, had Law not infected Doflamingo with AIDS?

You mean the aids that aren't even mentioned again after that chapter. It's the same way Doffy would have won if Luffy wasn't tired as well

Doffy is a flat out iinferior fighter to G4 Luffy. He just got some plot armor from Oda to make the resolution to the arc more dramatic than it would've otherwise been. It's the same thing he did by giving Luffy the gold ball anchor when he was beating Enel into the dirt.

A guy like Crocodile actually left Luffy for dead twice. Doffy never came close to that.
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>>143220195
Only if he touches the bullseye first.
I doubt Mom would allow someone to lay a finger on the table.

inb4 the dart is already in and he touches the bullseye when he pulls out the dart
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>>143220051
>but it lacks comparative offensive power compared to other stuff in the series.

You must be joking. How can anyone be this stupid?
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>>143220228
Holy fuck Doffy isn't even in the top ten

Jesus Christ you Doffyfags are retarded
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>>143219903
>>143219903
If she takes lives by eating them, how does she give those lives ?
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>>143214949
>Jinbe at the end of Big Mom Arc
>Chopper at the end of Kaidou Arc
>Sanji in final Arc
callin' it now!
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>>143219492

explain
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>>143220231
She didn't sunk anything. That's literally WG propaganda.
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>>143220115
I'm not explaining Robin's bounty to you again just because you're too much of a Spee D. Reader to read the thread.
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>>143220210
At first it seemed that way, but in the chapter titled after the yonko's name, the cloud and the sun and etc were shown to be sentient, and not just spamming "I'm a [object]."

Everyone who tries to leave big mom's crew dies or is transmogrified. None have the courage to do as you say, similar to how on sky island Conis rats the strawhats out to Enel out of fear and everyone pretends to be happy lest they be killed by lightning.
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>>143220316
Why the hell would Chopper die come on
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>>143218587
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>>143220314
>takes lives by eating them
We didn't see her eating Moscato's life

>how does she give those lives
It's just her awakening, man
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>>143220051
>but it lacks comparative offensive power

He literally punches holes in mountains with his casual attacks.
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>>143220307
What do you base that on? Which active pirate captains had more going on than Doflamingo?

He owned an ancient kingdom. He was king of the underworld on top of it. He dealt with the yonko extensively. He controlled Caesar.

He was weaker than Kaido, a yonko. That doesn't make him weak.
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>>143220115
she hid herself. Pirates have a huge flag anouncing their presence.
Her bounty wasn't claimed because she pretended to be only an innocent girl and nobody knew she had a bounty. And when she was discovered she ran.
PIrates make their presence known wherever they go and start fights and wih to prove themselves by challenging people.
And by the way, one of the whay they use to determine who to challenge is bounties.
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>>143220270
You can tell Oda didn't think much about it for the speed of Enel and Kizaru.
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i stopped watching the anime around the point the luffy used gear 4 and the fight ended. does anyone know what episode that was? is it worth watching ?
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>Jack's bounty: 2 billions
>Zou's bounty: 0
How do you explain Jack's getting BTFO, bountyfags?
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>>143217929
>PONEGLIFF

My god VIZ
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>>143220416
You can tell that there is a delay in transition when Kizaru tries to go from human to light and is cut by Rayleigh.
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>>143220334
Masaka
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>>143220115
see >>143218218
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>>143220270
Kizaru has already been shown to only move at lightspeed when he turns to light though. Or turns parts of him, in case of kicking.
It's fairly reasonable to assume this applies to Ener as well. Whether it really negatively affects his ability to use in combat is a different matter though.

I actually forgot it was El Thor. My bad. But yeah, even that shouldn't do much to bigger names in the series. It probably would, because of course it does. But it shouldn't.
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>>143220228
>He wasn't a yonko because there can only be four of them
Are you still butthurt about him getting BTFO that yo have to make up bullshit?
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>>143217645
She's an attractive female character that isn't a Nami clone. Not liking her would be stranger
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>>143220426
1 billion
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>>143220290
>Because he had no way of knowing the exact time
How does that hold any relevance? When I am in a boxing match and decide to pummel and wait for an opportunity, am I the loser even though I wont just because I didnt know when/if he was going to run out of stamina? Are you fucking retarded?

>aren't even mentioned again after that chapter
Yeah, totally not. Hes just shown healing that area multiple times throughout the fight, particularly after Luffy wasnt able to fight anymore. Good job though, speed reader.

>Doffy is a flat out iinferior fighter to G4 Luffy.
I see a conclusion yet no answer to my question.
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>>143220396
Literally when?
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>>143220228
this desu
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>>143220473
I was never butthurt about that in the first place anon. I always supported the idea that Luffy would BTFO Doflamingo.

But I'm also rational so I can see that he's one of the strongest pirate captains in the story, surpassed only by the yonko and timeskip Luffy, who in three months of story time will be the fucking pirate king.
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>>143220462
>Or turns parts of him, in case of kicking.

Goddamn, you people are stupid. Looking for any reason at all to rationalize nonsense that really doesn't matter.
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>>143220352
The part with the sun and clouds is true, however the sweets shoewd sentience too and they acted like live sweets basically, as they were happy to fulfill their purpose.
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SUKUSHINO HARD KNOCKU DAYS
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>>143220401
>Which active pirate captains had more going on than Doflamingo?

In power? Pretty sure Marco would beat him. Let's not forget about a few schichibukais. We don't know much new world pirates captains in the first place.

How strong were WB's captains allies supposed to be anyway?
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>>143218170
Is brook the most out of place strawhat? i mean, is like THAT weird guy that hangs out in the group just because, and from time to time he saids something, and is awkward as heck. just like me
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>>143220565
That's true I guess we need more info on her ability.
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>>143220511
>How does that hold any relevance? When I am in a boxing match and decide to pummel and wait for an opportunity, am I the loser even though I wont just because I didnt know when/if he was going to run out of stamina? Are you fucking retarded?

If the guy has a heart attack the moment he's about to break yur jaw, I'm going to call you a lucky son of a bitch

>Yeah, totally not. Hes just shown healing that area multiple times throughout the fight, particularly after Luffy wasnt able to fight anymore. Good job though, speed reader.

I saw it like once, and even then we don't see the injuries blatantly hindering his ability to fight the way we saw it for someone like Whitebeard or Lucci.

>I see a conclusion yet no answer to my question.

Doffy couldn't even touch Luffy when he was in G4 mode. His best attacks got brushed off and even he was getting pissed about it.
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>>143220537
>rational
>thinks Doffy could be a Yonko
>thinks doffy is one of the strongest pirates
Yup, sure sounds like a butthurt Doffyfag's version of "rational"
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>>143220228
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>>143220656
not a Doffyfag but he's among the strongest, yes
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>>143220607
>marco
You're delusional.
>shichibukai
Not active pirate captains. They are WG employees.

In other words, Doflamingo is the strongest active pirate captain other than the yonko.

Luffy beat him, and now he's going to fight a yonko.

How impossible!
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>>143220595
Shouldn't we get a new OP next week?
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>>143220354
I remember it having read a spoiler a few months ago. Predicted a lot of stuff and shit turns out to be pretty accurate.
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>>143218547
>yfw he has to keep on hitting the bullseye every day to postpone the punishment
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>>143220527
>Literally when?

Literally here
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>>143220726
Doffy wouldn't be able to touch Marco lmao
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>>143220726
>You're delusional.

> fought the admirals pretty well
> broken regenerative abilities
> first mentioned when wondering about the next yonko

Don't be retarded. He's one of the strongest out there, it's literally stated.
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>>143220777
>God Enel trips
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>>143218287
Captain Kuro
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Can Magellan do anything to logia?

It felt weird that Crocodile would run away from him back in ID.

Would his poison works against armament haki anyway?
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I think Jinbe will be the one to fight Jack, seeing as they are both fishmen.
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>>143215124
Jinbe is my husbando
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>>143220810
>fought the admirals pretty well
No he didn't. He got wrecked by Garp, and then just solely relied on his devil fruit ability to regenerate him until a vice admiral instantly outmatched him.

He's got one of the strongest devil fruits out there because he can regenerate from damage as strong as kizaru's lasers. Beyond that he's not that special and he's definitely not on par with Doflamingo.

Doflamingo is a CoC wielding lord of the underworld and took an ancient kingdom by force. Marco is an enraged ex subordinate who immediately got his ass kicked again off panel during the timeskip. Apples to Oranges. Marco inherited his crew, which was already defeated.

And Marco might be dead. He is not confirmed alive. It's only confirmed that he was at one point before he got wrecked by Blackbeard, who is directly stated by Jinbei as being on a "devil fruit hunt."

Marco was defeated by him and has one of the best ones in the whole story. Think on that.
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>>143220908
Jack is stronger than the whole strawhat crew. Maybe jinbei could give him a fair fight
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>>143220462
>Kizaru has already been shown to only move at lightspeed when he turns to light though. Or turns parts of him, in case of kicking.

There was nothing showing us that Enel couldn't just keep turning into lightning and zipping away instantly other than PLOT.
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>>143220963
I don't think Jinbe is stronger than Luffy.

Also, one thing I wonder, was the government aware that Jinbe was technically part of a yonkou's crew when they offered him to be a shichibukai? Did they ignore it? Sweep it under the rug? Did he join mom after becoming a shichibukai? What's the chronology here? Do we have any hard info on that?
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>>143220109
BROOK CONFIRMED FOR SECRET D.
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>>143220652
>If the guy has a heart attack
Its not what happened. Luffy knew about the resources he was wasting yet he still did it. When I mindless blow the 5 bullets available to me in an attempt to kill the guy I am shooting at yet fail at hitting/killing him than I am not the winner because 'had I been more accurate I would have won'. Nice straw-man though.

>I saw it like once
Oh, so all of a sudden its mentioned again. Didnt you, just moments ago, claim that it was never mentioned again? Thats weird.

>Doffy couldn't even touch Luffy when he was in G4 mode
Missing the point again. I think we are done here since youre unable to provide a single valid argument. You just claim that the time between Luffy losing G4 and regaining it is irrelevant, even though that being the exact moment where he would have died had he not received the support from thousands.

Was Zoro weaker than Daz Bones because all he did for 99% of the fight was tank attacks while being unable to even put a dent into him? No he wasnt. But unlike Luffy, Zoro won the fight on his own, which is the reason why we consider him stronger. He overcame impossible odds on his own. Luffy on the other hand required so much support that it bordered the Marine Fort arc.

But hey, its irrelevant. Received support doesnt matter.
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>>143221014
Actually it was a point of contention during the fight. Luffy was unable to hit Enel until he found a way to counter Mantra.

In other words, Luffy learned how to hide from CoO like a pro, all the way back then.
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>>143220958
>Marco was defeated by BB with two DFs
>No idea how it went down and how many crew members were there
Even if it was a 1v1, losing to BB does not imply weakness. You're blowing everything out of proportion to the point where you sound delusional. Hyping Doflamingo "taking an ancient kingdom by force" means little when Kyros was the strongest and basically only opposition.
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>>143216731
It seems like a portmanteau of Aladdin and Undine. Probably intentional.
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>>143221043
Brook D. Skelly
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>>143221040
he obviously joined big mom during the time skip since whitebeard was protecting fishman island before.
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>>143221040
>Also, one thing I wonder, was the government aware that Jinbe was technically part of a yonkou's crew when they offered him to be a shichibukai? Did they ignore it? Sweep it under the rug? Did he join mom after becoming a shichibukai? What's the chronology here? Do we have any hard info on that?

He joined Big Mom AFTER he gave up being a Shichibukai. He did it so he could get protection for Fishman Island.
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>>143221014
By the way, I am not sure it was ever properly explained why Luffy could hit Enel, was it?
Sure, it was explained why Enel couldn't zap Luffy, but then the story just turned that into "Luffy is the natural opposite of Enel" and thus he could suddenly hit him.
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>>143216919
Anon's right, this is the reason Ice Cream is an impossibility IRL, and merely fantasy.
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>>143218287
monet
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>>143220958
>He got wrecked by Garp

Literally just one surprise attack, that's nothing and he wasn't really wounded by it.

You seems to remember wrong, he continued fighting the admirals after that, and got again caught by a surprise attack, and the vice admiral just go him with handcuffs.

It's not just his devil fruit. He can fight and has got a strong as fuck haki, otherwise he would never be at this level.

Your comparison is stupid, who cares about who they are, you might as well say Doflaming was just Kaidou's dog, while Marco is the second of the ex strongest man in the world.

And are you really using Blackbeard beating him as an argument? It's fucking blackbeard.
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>>143221118
>Sure, it was explained why Enel couldn't zap Luffy, but then the story just turned that into "Luffy is the natural opposite of Enel" and thus he could suddenly hit him.

Rubber doesn't conduct electricity. Therefore, rubber punches can hurt Enel.
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>>143218403
underrated post
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>>143220808
have you even read the manga?
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>>143218287
sanjay
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>>143221132
i hope so. It's been a while since we had a proper shitstorm.
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>>143221175
>>143221175
>>143221175
NEW THREAD
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>>143221144
> *and got again caught by a surprise attack because of WB's state
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>>143220958
>Apples to Oranges.
What did that line do in there? What does that have to do with any of your argument? "Apples and Oranges." is meant to say that two things are not comparable, not that one thing is superior to the other.
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>>143220115
Again, Robin wasn't a child when she was introduced.

She was a grown ass woman, a seasoned criminal, and anticipated to be the secondary boss to an arc that had a SHICHIBUKAI as the main boss.

Her bounty was meant to reflect that to the readers. I don't get it. Why is this hard to understand?
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>>143221083
>>143221083
>>143221083
It's directly stated that Marco was
>overwhelmingly defeated
>overwhelmingly

So it's not hard to imagine that he got his ass handed to him, overwhelmingly.

You still have yet to list any pirate captains stronger and with more influence than Doflamingo.

You've only said marco, who's not even confirmed alive, and who was the right hand of the strongest yonko.

So Doflamingo is the 6th strongest pirate captain then?

Wow, such a huge difference anon.
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>>143221174
Not an argument. Doffy couldn't touch Marco for his life.
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>>143221158
Well, wood doesn't either, but you can't just hit Enel with a wooden stick, can you?

I mean, I get the logic here, but it is still wonky. Could you hit Ace with an steel beam just because steel is not flammable?
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>>143221232
They aren't comparable because Doflamingo was an active pirate captain with ambition when Luffy fought him whereas Marco was already defeated and possibly killed.

Like I said though, even if we conclude that Marco > Doflamingo, it still means Doflamingo is #6.
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>>143221096
> yfw you realize we don't know Brooke's, Nami's, Franky's or Ussop's full names and anyone of them could be a D.
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>>143221073
>Its not what happened. Luffy knew about the resources he was wasting yet he still did it. When I mindless blow the 5 bullets available to me in an attempt to kill the guy I am shooting at yet fail at hitting/killing him than I am not the winner because 'had I been more accurate I would have won'. Nice straw-man though.

That still doesn't change Doffy's ineffectiveness against a G4 Luffy. Had Luffy been fresh and able to bring out King Kong Guns right away that fight would've been over much sooner. They both had stamina issues

>Oh, so all of a sudden its mentioned again. Didnt you, just moments ago, claim that it was never mentioned again? Thats weird.

But he doesn't mention it. Doffy never brings it up once nor blame it for his losing

>Was Zoro weaker than Daz Bones because all he did for 99% of the fight was tank attacks while being unable to even put a dent into him? No he wasnt.

But he was. He discovered new strength in teaching himself how to cut steel at which point he became stronger.

>even though that being the exact moment where he would have died had he not received the supporteven though that being the exact moment where he would have died had he not received the support from thousands.

There's no guarantee of that. He managed to survive the backlash from G3 against Lucci.

He had Gats carrying him around and Doffy screwing around instead of going after him as well as Zoro and Fujitora dicking around with the birdcage iinstead of going after Doffy. That entire sequence screamed that Oda's editors told him to make the fight last longer.

Everything I saw in that fight told me that a fresh Luffy would've done just as well against a fresh Doffy.
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>>143221341
Why are you ignoring the fact that we barely know any new world captains?
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>>143221257
Yes, because I am new to the conversation and only wanted to point out that you sound delusional. Sorry to tell you this, but Anon isn't one person.
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>>143221096
More like Best D. Skelly
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>>143221257
Proves literally nothing. Doffy would get "overwhelmingly defeated" by BB.
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>>143221308
Doflamingo wasn't a stranger to seastone.
It's also stated that the amount of damage Phoenix can regenerate is limited.

From what I read at least, Doflamingo is much faster than Marco, and Marco wouldn't be able to do shit to Doflamingo either.

If you believe Marco is the 5th strongest pirate, I am amazed that you do not believe Doflamingo, the pirate Oda had Luffy defeat immediately before entering the 4 yonko arc, is one of the strongest pirates on the sea.
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>>143221368
Cutty Flam, ya dingus. It was a whole plot point.

>inb4 who is Cutty Flam
>>
>>143218522

STUCK IN YOUR WONDERLAAAAAND
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>>143221368
>don't know Franky
Yes we do, anon. His name's Cutty Flam. Did you miss the entire arc dedicated to him?
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>>143221378
Why are you pretending that we shouldn't go with what we do know from almost 20 years of publication, with Doflamingo being introduced almost 14 years ago?
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>>143221375
>He had Gats carrying him around and Doffy screwing around instead of going after him as well as Zoro and Fujitora dicking around with the birdcage iinstead of going after Doffy. That entire sequence screamed that Oda's editors told him to make the fight last longer.
dicking around? how fast were you reading, jesus christ
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>>143221378
We know they are joining yonko crews like flies whereas Doflamingo remained independent despite contracting with them.
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>>143221449
> From what I read at least, Doflamingo is much faster than Marco

Marco blitzed Kizaru, he's fast as fuck.
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>>143221517
>dicking around? how fast were you reading, jesus christ

Yes, I know they were trying to slow down the burdcage, but If they would've just went and beat Doffy's brains in the cage would've vanished entirely. Screaming about speed reading won't make chapters 786-789 any less awful
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>>143221544
Yeah, not like Doflaming became Kaidou's dog after all.
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>>143221564
Chapter?
I don't remember him coming close to landing any blows on Kizaru whatsoever. I remember him slowly flying towards him absorbing assloads of damage undodged until he got distracted and then cuffed with sea stone.

Nothing indicated agility. He couldn't even rescue Luffy from Akainu, Buggy had to instead.
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>>143221612
Literal speedreader
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>>143221600
>Kaido's dog
He had a contracted deal with him. You're right, he was fearful that if he failed to uphold his end of the agreement, he might be killed. That's not the same as joining Big Mom's crew and taking orders.
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>>143221449
> and Marco wouldn't be able to do shit to Doflamingo either.

Because he's not flashy? Same argument as with Shanks and Rayleigh.
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>>143221658
post pics

Strongest pirate captains:
1. Yonko
2. Yonko
3. Yonko
4. Yonko
5. Marco
6. Doflamingo
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>>143221368
>>143221389
>Brook awakens his devil fruit
>he revives the souls of the people of the Ancient Kingfom

ARE YOUR BODIES READY
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>>143221662
>he was fearful that if he failed to uphold his end of the agreement, he might be killed.

Which is what most captains that join a yonko crew do. That's exactly the same as Jinbei situation except the latter was fearful for the island and his crew.
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>>143221665
There's no evidence that Marco can throw any kind of attack on par with King Kong Gun.

Doflamingo is highly resistant to damage to the point that he survived having his internal organs ripped to shreds, and then still fought Gear 4 Luffy, twice, after that.
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>>143221460
>>143221491

Oh shiz you right. But cut me some slack that arc was like 7 years ago. If I had to cut somebody from the D list, it would be Franky anyways. God Ussop 99% confirmed for being a D though.
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>>143221745
Jinbei is nowhere near as strong as Doflamingo though.
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>>143221736
Not going to spoonfeed you. Maybe start from chapter 1 and don't speedread this time?

Or, you know, google it you fucking imbecile.
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>>143221785
>There's no evidence that Marco can throw any kind of attack on par with King Kong Gun.

There is. The fact he's WB's strongest man and the first guy mentioned for the Yonko position.
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>>143221739
No, anon. But my Soul is.
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>>143217741
so is dragon the strongest person in all of one piece?
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>>143221665
Doflamingo was using up his energy worse than Luffy through the whole arc.
He attacked Smoker's crew.
He took an attack from Kuzan.
He had to deal with an attack from Fujitora.
He had to defeat Law.
He had to defeat Sanji.
He had to maintain and slowly contract a giant cloud string birdcage.
His internal organs were literally shredded.
He then fought Gear 4 Luffy until it wore off, completely unaffected by Gear 4 Kong Gun.
He then fought Gear 4 Luffy and was finally knocked out with King Kong Gun.

The Marines IMMEDIATELY covered his body in kairoseki and then Sengoku and Tsuru personally escorted him away.

He's one of the strongest pirates.
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>>143221812
>7 years
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_329
Yo wtf, Franky debute in 2004. Suddenly I feel old as hell.
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>>143221850
>mentioned
Doesn't mean anything. The people who said it were factually very wrong, as he stood no chance at beating Blackbeard.

>>143221827
>i can't name a pirate captain stronger
top kek
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>>143222013
>>143222013
>>143222013

New thread for bump limit
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>>143222026
there's a thread already
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>>143220706
Still doesn't work as a reaction pic. Just redraw the thing western style.
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>>143217741
Kaku = Jyabura
Kaku just used his df for the first time it doesn't make sense to compare the on this slightly difference of physical strength (Human form wise) it make more sense to use "tier level" in the OP world more than anything else


Why I replied to a bait
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>>143221977
>completely unaffected by Gear 4 Kong Gun.
You should read the manga rather than watching the anime.
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Jinbe confirmed as the real damesel in distress of the arc, sanji was just a mac guffin
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>>143214975
Big mom space is the impregnation space.
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