Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1584

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DOJG:
>The particle ni of tabi ni cannot be dropped.

https://youtu.be/EsRm78ZSOgc?t=52

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Who wins?

今日も一日
日今日も一
一日今日も
も一日今日
日も一日今

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>WHEN YOUR LN CREATES NEW VOCABULARY

>>143214896
in the end they're the same shit but one is dangerous for 80% of people

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http://howtoremember.biz/content/how-flashcards-fail-confessions-tired-memory-guy

>>143214636
>>143214935
Someone explain this, I'm not in the thread often anymore.

>>143215282
>often anymore
What did he mean by this?

>>143215302
Fuck, meant "these days". In pursuing Japanese, I appear to have forgotten English.

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>>143215282
信じられないわ

>>143201463
Dude probably really hated society, going into the mountain to live there on his own and shit

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>>143207677
sorry, had to sleep. it's from Shimoneta

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>>143215373
Your first sentence was perfectly acceptable English.

>>143215677
Nothing is acceptable in English here

日本語オンリー！

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日本に行ったことがある。
日本に行ったことある。(嘘)

>>143214691
DOJG - Dictionary of Japanese for Gaijins

You have to follow the rules, but natives can do whatever they want.

>>143215677
>>143215373
i quoted it because i thought he was trying to imitate the 一日 meme

私は日本語を習った
やっとできないちゃんを倒すことに成功したのだ
このまま続ければ、日本人になれないものかな

>>143216099
俺わニホン

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>>143216665
>やっとできないちゃんを倒すことに成功したのだ
嘘つくな

>>143216665
ならばこれ、訳してくだいさい
>妙にせつなげなのが気になると言えば気になるけど…

>>143214636
Doesn't this belong on /jp/?

This isn't anime or manga

>>143216809
when does your tour of /a/ end?

>>143216809
いらしゃいませ新人さん

>>143216809
We're all studying Japanese to translate anime and manga for the community and are thus a central part of said community.

>>143216809
This threads been here longer than you have so go suck a chinpo Onii-chan

>>143216906
Cool. You can do that on /jp/ too.

>>143216918
I don't look through every thread in the catalog, this board is too fast and full of shit I don't care about for that. I've seen the threads before I'm sure and didn't bother posting.

>>143215089
>flashcards suck because I'm lazy
yeah that guy can fuck right off

>>143217009
>Cool. You can do that on /jp/ too.
JP is exclusively for flooding-tier otakubait like the endless touhou and 3dpd idol threads, plus meme VNs like fate, tsukihime, and umineko where discussion is about the VNs instead of the anime.

JP is not for anime and manga.

7 Reasons Why Core is Shit, by anon. Hope you enjoy.

>1. Vague/overly-simplistic/incorrect definitions.
These cards are not the majority but Core is known not to be 100% accurate.

>2. Useless katakana words that any English speaker would already know.
ズボン is not from English, and スタイル does not mean "style" even if Core says it does, thus words like these are good inclusions. Words like レモン and ミーティング are not.

>3. Hiragana-only vocab.
The vocabulary for "comb" is in Core as くし. But when you boot up Hanahira for your first reading practice ever, you will find that it is written with the kanji 櫛 and you will not have any idea how to read it. Learning anything kana-only besides certain animals, plants, foods, and beginner vocab like なに and どこ is a fool's errand because you will come across the kanji version eventually.

>4. Newspaper words.
Core was made using newspapers as a base, so many of the words you learn in 2k/6k will not be immediately useful to you when you begin reading.

>5. Learning tons of special readings right at the beginning.
The vast majority of Japanese vocabulary is actually pretty easy to understand. When a kanji is on its own or with okurigana, the kun reading is used, i.e. 話す. With other kanji in jukugo compounds, the on reading is used, i.e. 電話, 会話, 神話. But with Core, it shoves tons of beginner-screwing special readings in your face right off the bat. 一日, 七日, 九つ, 土産, etc.

>6. Out-of-context abstract vocabulary.
Learning something like 犬 (dog) out of context is fine. This is true for most physical nouns and many verbs. But when you are learning words like 産業, 職業, and 企業, it is very difficult to grasp the real meanings through rote. This also segues into the final point:

>7. Clustering of similar kanji and vocabulary leads to memory interference.
Not only are the aforementioned three words hard to learn on their own, but when you are made to learn them directly one after another you are bound to get them confused.

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>>143216906
>translate anime and manga for the community
違うよ、それはあんたの事柄。僕の事柄じゃない。
>>143217009
go back to your homeboard

>>143217009
>this board is too fast and full of shit I don't care about
Then maybe don't come here in the first place?

>>143217009
Come learn Japanese with us bro

Japanese shit is a thousand times better raw

If you knew how terrible English translations are you wouldn't even want to come to this board

How do I choose which definition to import with Rikaisama? Please no bully.

>>143217040
He makes a lot of good points really

>>143217139
import to text file and edit it manually I guess

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Will my composition skills come naturally from reading?

>>143217237
A little bit

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>>143217174
どうしよう

Eagerly awaiting samefag troll's threadly complaint that he's 15,000 cards in and still adds 100 a day.

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図書館にはめっちゃ便利だよね... 行きたい

>>143217422
I can't believe I thought he was being serious

>Studying Japanese for 20 years
>40,000 vocab in anki
>Read one page of yotsuba
>600 words mined

THANKS JAPANESE

>>143214896
Dekinai wins

>>143217577
どういたしまして

>>143217694
>read this post
>5000 new vocab added to my mining deck

thanks hiro

>>143217422
Last time I was able to mine 100 words in a day was when I read plotge for 12 hours straight, and I'm not even 15000 words in. Usually it's like 20 a day.

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>>143216809
Your new is showing.

>>143217940
What a weeb

>>143215023
Welcome to fiction

>>143217163
His complaint about atomizing knowledge doesn't work for vocab, you have to be able to read every word on its own so flashcards are perfect for it.
Card clusters problem can be solved with a plugin.
The rest is just him having wrong attitude towards doing reps.

>>143218164

>For vocabulary, this might have been fine. Words are tiny bits of information that need to be random. We want to be able to reach for any word at any time.
>It’s interesting that both SuperMemo and Anki were developed by programmers who were trying to learn a language. Despite all my problems with flashcards, I still think they could be an essential tool for mastering large quantities of vocabulary.

He even makes this point himself, Anki is built for languages. It can be adapted to other stuff as well but it is perfect for learning vocabulary.

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Damn my twitter feed is filled with politics stuff

This picture is totally not biased kek

>>143218339

Oops, name.

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作りましょう
作りましょう
さてさて何が
できるかな～

はい！
できない

>>143217113
Good points. The last one is the biggest problem with Core and a big part of why I stopped using it. The so-called "optimised" order, I found, actually made it harder for me to learn words, because groups of words all written with the same kanji are inevitably going to have some overlap of meaning in many cases, which makes it very easy to mix them up when you encounter them one after the other with no context.

It got to a point in Core where I had learned "this is one of those cards that I always mix up", but for whatever reason I couldn't seem to learn to stop mixing them up.

>>143218440
Too moe.

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can i trust Adobe to OCR text like this? it's from an old science publication.

>>143217139
Hover over the word > press "u" to enable super sticky mode > hover over the kana of the definition that you want to import > press "r" to import it > press "u" again to disable super stick mode

Apparently this super sticky mode can cause problems in Windows. Supposedly if you move your mouse cursor off the pop-up, Rikaisama breaks and you have to restart Firefox to get it working again.

>>143218530
Sure if thats what gets you off

>>143218442

Yup. I was 3k cards in but decided to just drop it altogether and said "fuck it, I'll re-mine anything I forget." I don't regret it for a second, it was too tedious to bear.

>>143218568
I'll put you in super sticky mode if you catch my drift

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>>143218440

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>>143218571
cheers. now i don't need to learn japanese.

>>143218626
I laughed out loud at this, funny post

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>favorite character in a VN brutally murdered
>author is a sadistic fuck so he describes her funeral instead of timeskipping
>as they put her ashes in a pot I see an unfamiliar kanji
>mine the word
>cry every time I see the card

>>143218924
What's the VN?

>>143217940
You can get banned for spreading fake mod posts, anon.

>>143218924
I enjoyed this post, simple but amusing

7/10

Does anyone have that Japanese copypasta that is like a visual illusion? It's like 3 long lines of katakana that look like their slanting at an angle even though you know they're on a straight line

>>143218924
Subscribed.

>>143218924
ご愁傷様でした

>>143218530
Nope

>>143218568
Note that this only mines the top entry for the kana word, so it won't always work unless your desired definition happens to be the top entry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-IsjpTLAPU

>>143219476
Lured me in with that loli thumbnail and instead of headpats I get this korean shit

Anyone knows the first kanji here?
I think the two together could be 緊張 perhaps?
http://jisho.org/search/%E7%B7%8A%E5%BC%B5

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>>143219946
forgot the image

>>143219990
It is indeed 緊張

>>143219990
It's obviously 緊張, not sure why would you need to ask.

>>143218371
I agree with that 100%

>twitter feed is filled with politics stuff
Twitter accountsちょうだい

>>143220035
>>143220069
Thank you anon, I just started learning this is the first time trying to read something, forgive me my stupid question.

is there a word/particle for "the" in japanese?

>>143220332
マジかよ

>>143220332
Are you retarded anon?

>>143220332
ザ

At what N grammar does fluidly reading VNs fall to?

>>143220429
>Are, you retarded anon
Thanks man.

>>143220501
Depends on the VN you knob gobbler

>>143220501
Since Hanahira is considered a VN probably like N4 to N3.

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>>143220402
>>143220429
>>143220449
real answers only please

>>143220501
Dies Irae?

>>143220570
>>143220449
You received a real answer, now fuck off dumb spongeposter

>>143220332
は

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>>143220650
i already knew that one so no

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>it's a 資本主義者 episode

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それなんや? ただのねこや。

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>>143221935
こんにちは、ネコさん

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I don't think I'd even be able to read that middle part if it was in English to be quite honest

Never been more perplexed before in my life

>>143214636
ぞい子を妊娠したいし責任を取りたくないし

>>143222530
Why is this so fun to say

>>143222749
Should have been 妊娠にしたい though

>>143222530
責任を取るくらい楽だよ
さっさとぞいとやってやれ

>have trouble focusing on my reps
>start doing them on my phone while walking around my room
>get them done quickly and with maximum focus
highly recommended

>>143222940
What because the 妊娠 is being する'd to someone else?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRqCmrXXQ0

コトコが大好きです

君は日本語に勝てない

だから勉強しなくてもいいじゃん

いい思い出を作りにいこうぜ浜辺に

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMormj8w7HM

>>143222940
妊娠させたい works too.

>>143223520
The fact that that shit exists is pretty depressing

Here's some better Japanese summer themed music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPZDBF0kei0

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>>143223520
よーしゃ！行くぞ！

>>143220501
Post-JLPT/Native level

Japanese article of the day
http://gigazine.net/news/20120604-flying-cat-helicopter/

>女神様にはとても仲の良いお友達が二人いるのだけど
>The goddess's very good friends are only two people.
or
>A goddess has many good friends, yet those are her only two.
I'm an absolute fucking retard please spoonfeed me this.

>>143224588
There is no "only" in that sentence, that's not だけ but だけど

>>143224659
That's what I don't understand. Why the fuck is she ending the sentence with だけど when her following line is "How nice, I wonder if I could make friends like that too."

>The goddess's very good friends are only two people BUT???

>>143224882
だけど doesn't necessarily mean "but", it can also mean just "and".

>>143224882
けど doesn't always mean strictly "but". In this case it just softens the assertiveness/impact of the sentence, and maybe slightly contrasts the *previous*, not following, sentence (as if there's a "but" at the beginning of an english sentence, not the end).

-[some unknown context]
-She has too good friends though
-How nice, I wonder if I could make friends like that too

>>143224882
The goddess ha two very close friends, however (I have no friends.)

>>143224882
There's often not a lot of focus on the contrasting aspect of けど. It's more like just "and" here.

>>143224882
Japanese uses it all the time in places where it doesn't necessarily signify anything. We do it in English too.

>>143225020
The "and" usage of けど is still contrasting, it's just contrasting with an understood idea instead of contrasting as a conjunction.

>>143218530
My god, how old is that? I see a ゐ in there, and a 體!

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I haven't been writing long, but I already feel like it has done wonders for me. Kanji make so much more sense visually now.

I tried learning them through vocab at first, but it just wasn't working for me. At best I was just learning the general shape of the kanji I encountered, but that wasn't enough to avoid mixing up similar ones regularly, and I even found that I wasn't able to recognise words that I supposedly "knew" properly outside of Anki because the smaller font meant that the shape of the kanji was obscured so I couldn't recognise what it was.

Here's my (for now) rather pathetic kanji grid, because why not. I did a radical deck (which I'm still reviewing) before this, but it wasn't until I actually started using the radicals to write kanji that I feel like I got any benefit from having learned them. Just 5 months left until the whole thing is coloured in! :^)

>>143225108
てめーの母と同じくらい古い

>>143224882
Making your sentence indirect is a common way of making it more polite. If you see something like だけど where it doesn't seem to actually make sense, it is probably being used to make the sentence more indirect and therefore more polite.

>>143225108
some 1933 fisheries journal.

>>143225114
I think kanji study is a good idea but 3200 is excessive. You won't have any problem with kanji by the time you've done the jouyou.

>>143225172
Isn't 古い specifically for inanimate objects? So it can't be be as 古い as my mum, because my mum, being a person and not a thing, cannot be 古い, only a 老女, although I wouldn't say she's quite at that point yet.

>>143225011
I think what makes it far, far more confusing are the preceding lines.
>女神様こと久米川牡丹様を見ていて、わかった事は
>彼女はとても身体が弱い
>女神様だからなのかな。。。？little blurb next to it that says ※関係ない
>そして
>あ。。女神様
>followed by what I said in the previous post

>Seeing this goddess, Botan Kumegawa, I understood something
>Her body is very weak.
>So that makes her a goddess?
This is what I think is being said, but then that そして confuses the hell out of me. And the whole thing over all just feels really weird, it makes me completely unsure I'm reading anything right.

>>143225225
Yeah I think this is one of the biggest problems I have with Japanese, looking at everything way too literally.
>The goddess has two very close friends.
Seems like an excessively wordy way to put it though.

>>143225900
>hasn't objectified his mum yet

>>143226135
No, I'm pretty sure that referring to any human as 古い is just ungrammatical Japanese.

>>143226135
Fucking 家父長制

>>143226251
If we mass-immigrate to Japan and use it often enough we can make it grammatical.

What's a good place to buy light novels (raw) that ships internationally?

I dunno if I'm outdated but Amazon feels like a mess to find and add a bunch of them in the state I want (new) and preferably from the same seller.

>>143226892
The CoR.

>>143226892
cdjapan
When it comes to LN's I'd rather buy kindle versions and convert to html, though, way comfier to read.

'never get the chance to X'を日本語でなんていう？

>>143226969
>>143226998
I like paper and building a collection on my shelf.

I'll try CDJapan, thanks!

>go into a Comic Zin for the first time, hoping to get something for practice
>can barely read Japanese even with Rikaikun
>get a LN
>It's Youjo Senki
I was less retarded my next visit

/blogshit

Do you guys have any tips to remember the compounds for kanji in vocabulary? When I'm learning 10 different compounds at a time, it gets mumbled and I forget it easier.

>>143227216
Well, in Tatoeba "Unfortunately, I didn't get the chance to see the castle" is translated "残念なことにその城を見る機会がなかった". So, I guess basically 機会なかった?

>>143226757
We could, but why would we get a bunch of people to move to Japan (and where would we get all these people anyway?) just for that?

>>143214636
how do you read 「一日」in her sentence?

>>143227703
楽しいから

>>143227747
Think it's 「ぞい」

Fucking irregular readings amirite

>>143227747
Well, according to jisho 一日 is pronounced as ついたち in the sense of 'first day of the month' and いちにち in the sense of 'one day' (but also in the sense of 'first day of the month'). In this case 'one day' would seem to make more sense than 'first day of the month'.
(Incidentally, fun factー ついたち is etymologically 月(つき) + 立ち).

>>143227747
遂達

>>143227703
>and where would we get all these people anyway
I know a guy.

>>143227747
つい勃ち

>>143228403
え、エッチっ

>>143228113
Who can arrange millions of people to move to Japan? What kinda guy is this we're talking about?

>>143228656
He's a...merchant, of sorts. A very happy guy. He's got a lot of people he needs to offload somewhere.

>>143228774
And how many of them can speak Japanese, even incorrectly?

>>143219731
There's some cute lolis when they show the school.

I personally find it amusing how a generation that grew up not using hanja now wants their kids to learn the fucking things.

>>143229317
Why not? They're good for understanding etymology/word-roots, and that's important both for expanding one's vocabulary in one's own language and for learning languages with a lot of word roots in common, which in this case would mean Japanese or Chinese, both of which are pretty good choices in today's world.

>>143229590
I'm not saying it's bad, it's amusing because they're starting to realize getting rid of them was a bad idea.

>>143226998
>>143227322
Just wanted to say thanks again, CDJapan is actually cheaper than Amazon for me although it seems to be missing some novels I wanted (KonoSuba 5~6), everything else is perfect, many thanks!

What easy anime series should I use for listening practice next? Preferably one that has subtitles on kitsunekko

Does anyone know a good explanation of the differences between 時期, 時間 and 時?

>>143230331
You can get this from any dic:
時期 interval of time, period, time phase
時間 time, hour
時 generic (it's used to construct the above ones after all) time, hour, moment, occasion, chance, opportunity, etc

>>143230331
Roughly,
>時期
specifies an interval
>時間
specifies an amount
>時
specifies a point

>>143230483
Thanks, anon, that kind of answer is what I was looking for.

>>143230472
I saw similar definitions on Jisho before asking and they kind of overlapped, that's why I asked this here.

>>143230483
とき
時

がふつうだけど

とき
時間

もよくみる

>>143230617
This >>143230483 isn't to say they don't overlap, though

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Phrase of the day: お釜を掘られる

>>143231207
おかまを掘るは、止まってる車に後ろから当たる交通事故の俗称

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Don't trust railway tracks, they're the work of the devil.

>>143232052
What's that jisho theme?

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>駄々をこねる

いやーだからーいやなのー
たーべーたーいー

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/liveblog/brexit/?utm_int=news_contents_news-closeup_001

>>143232280
nevermind found it

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>>143232341
めっちゃ面白いな
ありがとうにゃん

I wish it didn't take so much effort/motivation to watch anime raw
I almost feel like I'd learn more just by watching with subs and going through a lot more anime because of it

>>143233001
If you can find it, watching anime with Japanese subtitles (i.e. a straight transcription of the dialogue) is good. Also, try to watch stuff like slice of life that won't use a lot of fancy or non-everyday vocabulary; how often are you going to need to say "perform an exorcism on the lingering spirit" or "I will never forgive you for killing my mentor" in real life?

>>143232052
just do your damm job

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1466463820051.webm

>>143233105
>Also, try to watch stuff like slice of life that won't use a lot of fancy or non-everyday vocabulary
only found honeycomb subs for hidamari sketch on kitsunekko

not up to that season yet.. i wonder if theres any benefit to going back over past series and using jap subs if they exist for it
in the end, im worried they'd become the same crutch english subs are since raw is raw, and the ultimate goal

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>背骨
>back-bone
>literally 背-bone

>>143233105
>how often are you going to need to say "perform an exorcism on the lingering spirit" or "I will never forgive you for killing my mentor" in real life?

You may not need to say them, but if they are said in anime then you do need to be able to understand them when listening.

Honestly what I probably really need to do is just watch without giving a shit about what I miss.

>>143233719
Well, if you consider listening itself a more important goal and something to pursue more directly, then I say, go for it. After all, you learned English (or whatever your native language is) just by hearing people speaking it around you; it's hard not to pick up something if you listen enough.

Is there some equivalent of rikaichan for iphone?

>>143233763
>日曜日
>literally 日 day

>>143233800
Sometimes I'll go over something thoroughly in the original language, try to figure out as much as I can, and then read a translation to figure out what I missed or misunderstood. That's mostly what I've been doing for Classical Chinese.

>>143233841
No way I'm gonna watch shit twice I may as well watch with english subs in that case

I'm good enough that turning English subs on isn't going to make me stop picking out the japanese unless it's a really weird section

>>143233905
It may not stop you entirely, but there's only so much that one's brain can focus on; it's very difficult to follow two streams of linguistic input, especially in different languages, even if they are saying roughly the same thing.

does sourceforge still bundle shit in with their downloads?

>>143233987
I've watched stuff before with English subs dude. And still do when I end up with a hardsubbed series. I know what I'm capable of doing when I watch them. I usually manage to figure out every word said by the end, often using the English subs as a hint.

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大英帝国りだつしてしまうん？

>>143234416
帝国じゃないよ
皇帝陛下がいないから

I didn't do my reps yesterday so I adjusted the time a "new day" starts to its limit (23 hours after midnight). It's 22:47 where I live and I just finished yesterday's reps, with only 13 minutes left.
I'm feeling so fucking good.

>>143218924
What word?

日本に、俺はなる！

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>>143234569
It was an empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_of_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj

Not anymore though.

>learn 諭す over a month ago
>today find out it is さとす and not きとす

kill me now

>Mnemonic
>Keyword: in, 中
>My GF lets me come in her mouth (pictogram).
fucking mnemonicfags

anyone else's brain feel funny after reading for a while

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>>143236477
yes

>>143235232
My money's on 荼毘.

What's the best app to use to study kana? I'm looking for something that shows me the kana and has me put what it is. I've been using Ja Sensei for this, but lately it doesn't seem to let me go through all of the kana at once.

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円高がすごいんだけど

いっせいに買いを出して高値で売り抜けるズルはやめようよ

>>143237529

Android app, I mean.

>>143237598

You don't really need an app desu. Just learn the rest of them tonight and reinforce them through reading.

>>143237774

I'm studying them right now. I just want something to help me study at work during the short periods of downtime I have throughout the day.

>>143237538
2015でドルから円に両替すればよかった。ファック

>>143237821
I don't have any recommendations but probably any of them would be fine. Unlike kanji study, you can't really go wrong with learning kana.

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>>143214636

First of all, I apologize for my retardation, but what's the backwards J-type character at the start of her sentence? Is it kanji? I can't seem to find it.

私わ馬鹿です。

>>143238005
don't fuck with me

>>143238005
も一日ってなんですか？

>>143238060

I just realized, it's the hiranga for mo.

Fuck me.

>>143238191
>Fuck me.

きみはかわいいですか？

>>143238339

いいえ！おれわふつうです！へんたい！

How do I fix my brain? It's a foggy mess.

>>143238824
take stimulants

>>143238824
Coffee with 5 sugars is good for studying.

>>143239056

I was taking two 200mg caffeine pills but then I became immune. Tried taking three and I felt sick and started coughing. Caffeine doesn't really cut it. Just makes the problem temporarily better then worst.

>>143218442
>>143217113

I've been considering dropping core and trying to learn vocab a different way, I'm just no sure how or what to do instead. Anon's have a recommendation?

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あたしはコーヒーぎゅうにゅうのみたい

ガムシロおおめね

>>143239155

Cigarettes used to help me focus. I wish I never quit them.

>>143239178
read a book.

no, seriously.

>>143238634

いいでしょうね！

>>143239276
there's always vape

pc の具合はなんともなくウイルスチェックしても見つかりませんでした ようするにアクセスしても何もしていないようです スクリーンが突然ブルーになって大きな警報がなったらとにかくスパムと思って全部xで消すことです xするなと画面に書いてあるますが その後そのpcはインタネットに繋げず別にpcを使用しています もちろん銀行 関係などパスワードは20こくらいその日に変更しました お金帰ってくるといいですね カード会社に連絡し事情を説明し払わないよう依頼してください


>pc
の具合はなんともなくウイルスチェックしても見つかりませんでした ようするにアクセスしても何もしていないようです スクリーンが突然ブルーになって大きな警報がなったらとにかくスパムと思って全部xで消すことです xするなと画面に書いてあるますが その後そのpcはインタネットに繋げず別にpcを使用しています

I'm lost by how she uses とにかく here. Is she saying that she canceled out of the popup after she gave
remote access? Better yet could someone help me parse:

スクリーンが突然ブルーになって大きな警報がなったらとにかくスパムと思って全部xで消すことです xするなと画面に書いてあるますが

"A big sudden blue screen ad came up, anyways, i thought it was spam and canceled out of all, 画面に書いてあるますが

>>143239319
Can you explain a little more? I'm not quite good at this learning a language thing yet.

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この前の日本人はまだいるかしら
いるなら俺、黄昏のシンセミアを読み始まったよ
まだプロローグしか読んでないけど、なかなか良かったわ
翔子ちゃんはすっごく可愛いなー

>>143239178
Core will only take you so far, and even then it's really not very far. Most people here don't even do it past the 2000 word mark.

The alternative to Core is simply reading. Most people also mine their own deck from what they read (i.e. create an Anki deck from the unknown words they encounter while reading), but there are a few people who don't do Anki at all because they believe that simply reading (A LOT!) acts as spaced repetition on its own (when you see a word while reading, you are for all intents and purposes reviewing it).

>>143239449
誰も気にしない

>>143239178
just freaking get to tokyo and everything will sort itself out

>>143239640
Aight. I've been considering doing that, just dropping core and mining my own deck by reading something. It seems like a lot of words in the core deck just don't stick well with me.

吾輩こと日本のことかい？

I have a Japanese Game Boy RPG that seems to only use kana (no kanji). Would playing this help reinforce my learning?

http://dat.2chan.net/img2/res/1520393.htm

バット持ってたのも最初のうちだけで
あとはキャッハウフフ

wtf is a キャッハウフフ??

>>143240086
not as much as reading a fucking book for once in your life would, you dirty kusoge eater

beginner here, just curious, how long does it take to learn hiragana and katakana?
so far I've learned the vowels, k, and s in hiragana in three days practicing a couple hours

>>143239640
>they believe that simply reading (A LOT!) acts as spaced repetition on its own (when you see a word while reading, you are for all intents and purposes reviewing it).
Don't forget that many of these people also think guessing the meaning of the word based on context is the proper way to learn, because all language is "made up" anyways or something. There's mental gymnastics involved to justify shortcuts.

The "just read" meme only works if you actually review every word, and read with understanding. It won't just come naturally, you have to put in hours of work.

The benefit of core is that all that work was put into finding words already; the benefit of self-study is that you can learn the things that interest you instead, though you remain ignorant of everything outside your porn games and Goku-speak.

>>143240183
about 69 hours

>>143240183
my friend just start reading simple children's books

the ones without kanji, or with, who cares really

the point is you will be forced to recall hiragana and katakana realtime

my experience is dont spend too much time flashcarding everything, seeing it in the field is better

>>143240227
core is a godsend because it gives you context for more abstract words but you MUST practice using them and encountering them in articles and shit

>>143240255
I was thinking shonen manga first but I forgot real books exist, I'll look into that for when I get more memrorized, should be easier to start there instead of struggling with yotsubato first

>>143240183
One weekend to go through all of them
One week to get good
One month to perfect

>>143234416
Well, it happened.

>>143240165

What makes you think that I don't read books? I read a lot of books. I just haven't attempted any Japanese books since I'm obviously new to the language. I just finished 'Valis' by Philip K. Dick and have been reading 'The Oresteia' by Aeschylus.

Please calm down and stop making assumptions based on an innocent question.

>>143240289
>core is a godsend because it gives you context for more abstract words
I agree, but many in these threads also think reading the Anki sentences are a waste of time, even though it's practically necessary to understand the nuance of why one word is used over another.

Anki lays a foundation for further study. I end up bookmarking nearly every word for later to write down once, and if I can't use it in a simple sentence, I look up example sentences on Jisho to see it in context - otherwise, it'll always be forgotten and relearned if I only encounter it every few weeks in Anki.

The feeling that my vocabulary pool far outstrips my ability to produce sentences is a bit defeating, unfortunately, but I just don't have enough time to devote to maintaining this progression Anki while also studying production. There really should be a way to pause/suspend an entire deck, even if that does defeat the whole point of spaced repetition.

>>143240138
a combination of two common laugh/chuckle onomotopoeia

>>143240349
in my case I'll probably be somewhat able to read childrens books in two weeks or so, I'll make that my goal for now perhaps

>>143240086
No. Lack of kanji is a bad thing when you are just starting out. Words are easy to look up IF you know where they start and end. Which is a lot harder to tell if you dont have kanji.

I recommend against starting out with soething that doesn't have either furigana (thus kanji, but also the readings) or text format/text hookable format

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>>143240227

>>143240227
no one was arguing for abstinence from dictionaries anyways, that's a pretty useless point to make

core never fails to seem like it's attacking the issue from the wrong angle though
all the words it includes are, as the name suggests, common and it will not actually take over a decade to absorb all of them through reading if you forego doing the deck

i'd rather just use the fucking dictionary in the process of reading than spend an hour a day drilling it into my head for later use

私は栃木県にすんでいます

>>143240404
i'm clearly referring to japanese books as the title of the thread might clue you in on

>>143240647
>no one was arguing for abstinence from dictionaries anyways
You really believe people don't think that's an okay thing to do?

Hell, texthooking and just checking rikai without even looking at the kanji is the easymode shortcut most often suggested in these threads.

>>143240680

You seem to be too stupid to understand context, so I'm not going to continue this conversation with you.

>>143240726
Maybe you should actually learn japanese before you start sperging out about "shortcuts" taken by people more advanced than you

>>143240759
maybe you should https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15tUzlriGDI

>>143240445
anki sentences are only useful to disambiguate shitty definitions like "grade"

"grade" could be school level, something's quality, the slope of a horizontal surface, etc

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>>143240386
よくわかんないんだけど

ユニオンジャックの柄はかわるの？

>>143240759
>I followed the guide so I could finish my porn game
>I dropped anki early on because it was getting in the way of my compelling content and hands-on masturbation practice
＞１００年早いぜ！

>>143240726
really

most of my compelling content has been jpg LN scans so i don't have any amount of experience with text hooking or kusoge

i'd like to imagine people actually take the time to look at the kanji though

if they do then rikai is mostly fine, you sacrifice some focus on vocab to speed up your intake of grammar i guess

>>143240871
ffs why are we arguing?
anki has its place in that you do it in those 10 minutes here and there every day (trust me it adds up enough to finish off volcab and a handful of anki sentences)

Then spend your time writing sentences and whatnot

>>143240497
"later it was a laugh?"

she was carrying a laugh? the anime was a joke (it was)?

>>143240948
>ffs why are we arguing?
we're not, that was my first post

>>143240726
>texthooking and just checking rikai without even looking at the kanji is the easymode shortcut most often suggested in these threads.
The fuck are you talking about?
Texthooking and rikai indeed make reading and mining easymodo, but nobody suggests not looking at the kanji, that's dumb.

>>143241007
she only had the metal bat in the start and after that she was all kyahha ufufu

>>143240940
Yeah, it's entirely possible they're taking grammar out of it - I mistrust people ITT a bit with their self-assessment, you only have to look at Anki stats to see that 60% retention is somehow considered acceptable.

Though why look at something a thousand times until it clicks, when you could look at it a hundred?

>>143241353
>nobody suggests not looking at the kanji
Nobody suggests it, but people still do it. It's a difficult language that people want easy results from. I'm guilty of not understanding a phrase or cultural reference and just skipping it because it didn't impact my overall understanding of the material, but it'd be wrong to lie and say I know Japanese.

Calling out this behavior is important because too many people say "Just read", and it's a bit misleading to new learners who don't know what to do next. Plus I'm just complaining to avoid doing my reps for the day.

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そういえば、カナダの山火事はどうなったの

カナダのあのんくんだいじょうぶ？

>>143241498
If you read enough you'll get those cultural references.

Or actually what happens is that as you read more, you get better at japanese, and therefore you get less occupied by the easier stuff, and therefore feel more motivated to look up the harder stuff. There's nothing wrong with pushing off some harder stuff until later as long as you are improving. And seeing it still benefits you even if you don't look it up.

>>143241558
その妹かわいいですね

>>143240138
I have no idea how to explain this properly, the idea is "the sound of girls having fun in a girly way".

>>143241581
>If you read enough you'll get those cultural references.
Japanese pop culture is incredibly monolithic and there's a lot of attachment to the past - the amount of jokes I apparently miss out on because they're rooted in talents/musicians/celebrities from the 80s is frustrating when pointed out. Culture simultaneously moves way too fast, and there are so many dialects that actually understanding everything is of course a lifelong task. It makes approaching Japanese casually for anything more than manga and anime a bit daunting.

I live in Japan so I'm a bit jaded though.

>And seeing it still benefits you even if you don't look it up.
I would honestly say it doesn't, because it leads to bad habits, which breaking is easier said than done.

>>143240445
>I agree, but many in these threads also think reading the Anki sentences are a waste of time, even though it's practically necessary to understand the nuance of why one word is used over another.
I think a lot of people don't bother reading the sentences, not because they think they're useless, but because of the nature of Anki itself. Anki itself feels almost like a game - I don't want to linger on individual cards and take myself out of the action, I just want to power through my review and get them done (then check my "score" at the end, as if Anki were some sort of video game).

Anyone have a non mega upload of the anki deck?

>>143241795
There are many natives who don't get those references either, and they don't stop to research them constantly. They keep reading.

>>143241795
This >>143242098
Being fluent means that you are able to filter out unimportant information. If you cant do that, and need to look everything up, fluency is impossible.

>>143241841
It's hard to go against the grain in this thread but I personally advice reading the sentences, at least while cards are still young. At the end of they day the example sentences are still Real Japanese™ and reading them counts as practice.

Other advantages:
- Practice other words, most of which are also cards in that deck
- Helps cement at least one viable/common collocation for that word (e.g., I would never have been able to recall きっぱり if I didn't have きっぱり断った firmly burned into my mind).
- Literally thousands of attempts at parsing basic grammar structures makes it easier to start reading when you decide to do it.

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良なさそうだわ

>>143242398
Don't even need to open the image to find a mistake today

>>143242435
What's the mistake?

>>143242622
practicing handwriting

>>143242656
Lol

>>143233001
fuck it maybe i just need to pause on gintama for a bit shits too hard

ill just watch through the beginning of one piece or something so i can just chill and actually go through episodes at a reasonable pace

>Brexit went through
>Japanese market about to crash with no survivors
Soon we'll be the only Japanese speakers left on Earth

>>143241498
>Nobody suggests it, but people still do it.
You can't not look at the kanji. It's literally impossible to not look at the japanese text unless you're literally machine translating. What the guide recommends is not machine translation.

>>143242929
Wtf今はブリテインが嫌いだ。

>>143242929
Even if Japan sank into the sea tonight, there would be enough Japanese content to last a lifetime.

熊猫- panda ?
Except everyone and their imouto says パンダ

Is this like old names for sports like 籠球 that arent used anymore or what

Why aren't you studying the phonetics and typology of Old Chinese and the development of the Shang Oracle Bone-and-Shell Script in order to obtain a better understanding of the underlying structure behind kanji?

>>143243788
>killer whale
>orca
WHY ENGLISH PEOPLE

>>143243806
I should post this the next time someone recommends studying classical japanese

>>143243834
Make sure to put a ", /djt/?" afterwards, maximum-vocative style.

>>143243814
uwotm8

>>143244082
貴何相棒

>>143239399
「xするな」と画面に書いてあるますが

>>143242398
How is your kanji drawn more neatly than your kana?

Do you scribble all the kana down in a second and then take 5 minutes writing each kanji?

>>143245155
JUST

>>143243452
カタカナでかくと、とつぜん卑猥になる

>>143230134
Just so you know anon, CDJapan has overpriced shipping.
Next time check the buyfag guide and use Amazon sets or honto.jp

bleh that subway was good but blehh
たべものあかちゃん

>>143242929
What's happening? ＃イギリス is trending on twitter.

Someone explain so that a retard like me can understand

>>143245759
japan declared war on britain

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>>143245807
this time... they want all the tea

>>143245807
I for one welcome our new nippon overlords

イギリス『EU離脱や！経済は独自で回す！』

イギリス『よっしゃ。日本円買ってくる』
EU諸国『マジかよ。日本円買ってくる』
アメリカ『マジかよ。日本円買ってくる』
オーストラリア『マジかよ。日本円買ってくる』

What does the てくる in 買ってくる mean in this?

>>143246331
te form of 買う and 来る? my guess

>現実です
>I'm reality
This makes zero sense

>>143246467
Where did you learn your grammar, rosetta stone?

How many of you actually bother to learn stroke order/writing?

Is it really worth investing time into?

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>>143246506
ha

>>143246506
'That's/It's reality' makes zero sense as well.

>>143246517
the only stroke order im doing is on my dick

its going quite well

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>>143246331
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/teform

>>143246467

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たぶんすうねんごには

ユニオンジャックをかきかえることになるよね

このままずるずる北アイルランドとかスコットランドが独立しちゃうよ

>>143246517
I spent a bunch of time learning how to write kyouiku kanji thinking it will be useful.
A year later and the only things I remember how to write are my name, 平成 and 東京都荒川区二丁目, those are the only things I ever had a reason to write by hand.
It was a total waste of time otherwise, if you're going to Japan just learn how to write kana and your address there, if not then don't learn to write at all.

Is 'えーちゃん' some kind of meme or actually just an Ei-chan?

>>143246893
not sure if long vowel is made on names or of its always いち
えいちちゃん still sounds weird tho

>>143246517
It's not really worth it for actual writing, but it might help you to read other's handwriting, and knowing stroke order or radicals will make looking up new kanji easier.

There's an argument that just writing it once will help cement it into your memory better, the same way hearing it and repeating it out loud would. Just think of it as another dimension to the learning process, there are no shortcuts but there are ways to make it easier. You can't just learn part of it and expect to know the whole thing.

>>143246467
>>143246544
"That's the situation."
"That's the reality (of the situation)."
"That's the truth."

Don't be so autistic and expect a 1:1 translation.

*unsheathes pitch accent*

>>143247065
わさ↑↑↑び

蜩
日暮し

>>143247440
I
Eye

Mindblown

日

　
火

>>143246517
If you only read and type Kanji then no, But if you live in nipland then yes.

For some reason, nips gets triggered when you're not following the stroke order even though the kanji as a whole is right.

>>143247571
Stroke order is incredibly important for understanding more sloppy handwriting

>>143247490
日 is day
and
火 is fire

what's so difficult

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>>143247571
would you get triggered if you saw someone writing like this?

>>143247592
But if he's not living in Japan and only want to learn Jap for games, manga, and anime, then it's not important.

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>>143247490
>HE'S not getting it

>>143247622
if you tried to write quickly like that your handwriting would become illegible

there's a reason stroke order is such a big deal with kanji

>>143247654
There's terrible handwriting in manga all the time

I'm actually trying a different approach on learning. DJT learning materials seem to overwhelming for me. Do you guys think it's okay to focus first on the words and vocabulary before diving in on how to write them?

>>143247780
Yes. Technically speaking, you don't really need to write in this age of computers.

>>143247780
Just learn how to write them, you'll have to learn them either way

Guys, it's hot as fuck here and my brain refuses to work. How do you keep yourself motivated to study when you can barely breathe?

>>143247887
ギブアップ

>>143247887
Live and breathe Japanese.

>>143247876
?

>>143247876
My thoughts exactly, I'll head into it after I've finished Japanese vocabulary basics.

>>143247887
wet your wrists and get a damp towel and sling it around your neck
40% of the time it works everytime

Oh why must anki have stats

I just can't help being really lenient on what constitutes a failed card because I'm scared of my stats going to shit

>>143248367
thats easy fix, just remember what it was :^)

>>143248389
I'm trying to ;_;

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>>143248425
no lie, at least in my 1st world country standard of living, my hubris is so that im more than a little salty about my brains ability to hold onto muscle memory for far longer(like riding a bike) than abstract memory, or whatever they call it cause i cant fucking remember

i dont care if i forget how to drive, i dont need a car here god dammit

>>143248480
Yeah my memories fucking shit, even with anki, I can see words thousands of times, not just in anki but while reading too, and still continue to get them wrong

>>143217113
Beginners ought not comment on things as though speaking authoritatively.

>>143246692
いもうとはいきっている, 溺れて思うた

>>143217422
Not hard to do if you read things like wikipedia articles or adult novels. 15,000 words isn't a lot.

>>143249128
>being so insecure that that post feels authoritative
anon a cute

Guys what do you suppose 二郎的な感じ means?

>>143249370
Yeah.

not a big fan of the windows JP font. Is there a way to make it look super pretty like on OSX?

>>143249370
slut

>>143217113
1. agreed
2. stupid complaint that's reaching forced meme status; take 0.6 seconds to answer Easy four times and you won't see it again for 2.1 years, you literally used more time to read this sentence than you wasted on all of your ""easy"" katakana words in the past six weeks
3. this contradicts #5
4. agreed
5. So you're fine with shoving uncommon, jinmeiyou kanji (that your average native can barely write) in a beginner's face, but you don't want to show them common readings that are literally used -all the fucking time-?
>m-muh kanji fetish
6. agreed
7. agreed

紅芋
kek so rarely get to read that in english, yam

fucken purple YAM

What does bakachin(ga) mean fags?

>>143246517
i practice writing and stroke orders a lot, mainly because i'm a perfectionist but i think writing does help if you want the kanji to stay in your memory

>>143250068
The pleasure of cumming inside a dick