Is he: a) The evil part of Goku made into a separate being b)

D would be fun

But it's probably A based on the earring.

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D would be the best and make the most sense.

C is what will actually happen.

>>143077766
wheres this from?

>>143077766
D would be great, so it probably won't be that.
My guess is it's probably some alien controlling goku's dead body

>>143077766
How could he possibly be Goten?

>>143078648
>black is the earring

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Hasn't the "evil Goku" thing been done before?

>>143077766
seriously anons stop over thinking

remember how everyone was like OMG NIPPLES IS GONNA BE THE STRONGEST even though it was super obvious he was nothing but a gag/fake?

this is pretty much Goku being mind controlled by something

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>>143077766
D would be fun, but Isn't Goten a Saiyajin too?

>>143078728
You finally learned that dragonball is shit after Z started.

>>143078648
I think the same but, like I wondered. if Goku was being controlled why his voice didn't change?
On the english and spa versions when Ginyu was in goku's body it happened. so why here is different? If its an android, well that honestly sucks but still, why not change his voice?

I'm betting c unfortunately... he has a 'fusion' look to him. I'd really hope it would be d

>>143078778
Half. But it would depend on his upbringing if he considers himself one or knows he's one.

>>143078830
Because Nozawa HAS to voice Goku relatives and Goku lookalikes. The only exception has been Raditz.

>>143078830
Fusion = new voice.
No one said you can't fuse with a corpse.

>>143078687
The last arc established that no two universes are exactly the same, to the point where the closest alternate universe to the main universe had a completely destroyed Earth.

If Goten happened to have been conceived earlier in Future Trunks' universe and taken by the Kai shown in >>143078243 who knows what he could have been raised to believe, or how powerful he could have become.

>>143079025
>No one said you can't fuse with a corpse.
No one said you could.

>>143077766
God of destruction goku

>>143079249
>god of destruction = evil edgelord cunt
wrong. If he was the god of destruction he'd just blow the planet up.

>>143077766
e) Oolong. He finally awakened to his mythical Cho Hakkai powers and decided to disguise himself as Goku and cock-block the last surviving member of his race just like how Goku cock-blocked him when they were kids.

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>>143077766
A shapeshifting toy robot thing with stupid springy robot hands.

>>143077766
It's demigra, this will tie into xenoverse for maximum marketing. In fact, demigra did this exact thing in xenoverse and you had to beat the shit out of them to free them. The earing (also demigra's) is a new touch, it might contain demigra himself. Just as they think they've defeated goku black the real enemy will appear and try to usurp the gods or some trite nonsense. Time travel/dimension hopping is a specialty of demigra, hence the ring.

>>143078778
Why would that matter?

>>143079604
if he was the god of destruction he'd just spend all his time eating.

>>143077766
goku on Universe 6 earth evil

>>143080123
He (goku black) makes a one off remark about saiyins that would imply he isn't one, or doesn't regard himself as such.

>>143077766

Whoever it is it's not an evil version of anyone, his knowledge and power far surpasses any sort of simple evil version of X.

He's clearly linked to the Makaioshin.

>>143080218
It doesn't imply that at all. It's like when a villain says "humans sure are interesting" to the faggot MC who keeps getting up after being beat down repeatedly.

Self hating Saiyin.

>>143079757
Why is the first thing everyone thinks "toy robot"? He's a shadow-thing.

>>143080480
>Here's a shadow thing with a thin, springlike wrist and an oversized glove-like hand

>>143080218
Three remarks, referring to Trunks as a Saiyan, making a comment about Saiyans being interesting, and saying Trunks' death would be a pathetic end to a warrior race. Black being a Saiyan is pretty thoroughly debunked.

>>143080512
Yes, shadows tend to stretch and distort in dust clouds.

>>143080403
See >>143080517

>>143080544
It wasn't being distorted, the image didn't shift with the clouds. And BOTH HIS HANDS LOOKED LIKE THAT

>>143080600
REEEEE

>>143080218
He also mentions humans as a separate thing from himself

>>143080517
I don't think black is a Saiyan, but there are many people irl who talk down on, and degrade their own race. It's not really confirmation that he's not a Saiyan.

"....."

I'm gonna take it as confirmation though, because I doubt a DB story line will ever get that deep.

>yfw everyone gets saved by Uncle Raditz at the end of the arc

>>143080674
If Black is the god of destruction of his universe, he isn't a saiyan anymore, he's a god. Or at least that's how a dark and edgy villain would think

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>tfw the hot new villain of the season is a stupid toy robot.

>>143077766

Probably has something to do with that green kaioshin and probably also buu

>>143077766

Some sort of body switch perhaps? maybe the kaioshin rings can do that too

>>143077766
>goten
I hope that was a joke. Also out of those fusion is most likely one. I still think it's green kaioshen who is involved.

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>>143080840
>>143080861

It's just a robot with springy robot hands.

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>>143078243
>d would make most sense
people on /a/ are so retarded that they don't remember goku died way before goten would have been born.

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Isn't Trunks 14 now? Come on, Toei! Make Goten and Trunks age already!

>>143080840
If it was just Goku's body why does his face and body look different? Thinner etc. It looks more like a fusion.

>>143080452

Check your privilege Kakarot

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Like Black's dark aura wasn't mind control but just his evil ki and the Goten thing is currently on-hold, did the theorist move to the robot theory?

>>143080951

Yea but that doest explain the dark Ki. Maybe is the opposite of the Saiyan god? you know same shit but with a bad guys doing the ritual.

>>143080951

But he's only wearing one ring

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I'm gonna vote D. Although Black Goku has shown that he can time travel, I see it capable for him to travel across universes as well. It makes the most sense that he is just a Goku from some universe that went rogue and goes from universe to universe annihilating the saiyans. He might be going for the "I want to be the only survivor, the strongest" kind of deal.

>>143079967
Not sure why no one has commented on this , I'm not familiar with XenoVerse but if what you said is true I wouldn't doubt it. This show is clearly all about milking the db cash cow

>>143081064
>doesnt explain dark kai
yes it does if dark person is one in control and fusion got fucked up which is why there is only one portara earring. It's either that or green kaioshen is animating the body.

>>143080893
Come to think of it, did they say what happened to Gero in the alternate timeline?

>>143081166
They say he was killed by his androids.

>>143081166
No, but surely 17 and 18 destroyed him and the whole lab. They were pretty sanguinary.

>>143081166
17 and 18 killed him

>>143081166
Considering 17 and 18 were actually more EVIL in that timelime chances are they killed him. Also, Future Trunks said 17 and 18 in Goku's timeline were even stronger.

>>143081138

Sounds like that movie with the Chinese guy that kill other versions of himself to become strong or something like that.

>>143077766
>>143078243

The Kaio's of universe 6 are green aren't they? Maybe this is the Goku of universe 6. Did they say why U6 Earth was destroyed? Maybe he did it.

I mean, in U7 the saiyans were barbarians but Goku was a nice kid because he hit his head. In U6 The saiyans are nice, but maybe Goku ended on earth too and eventually he destroyed it.

>>143079967
This makes the most sense so far. Toriyama said the editorial office suggested the idea for this arc and with the Xenoverse sequel coming out this would be possible. Goku's earring is the same as Demigra's, it's not the same color as Zamasu's.

Kind of cynical though, I didn't think Toriyama would want to use characters he didn't create.

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Gimme the gains back

>>143081459
Where is that /fit/ image that uses DBZ an example to show the relationship between women and gains?

Besides, there's still one character who's still swole: Yajirobe.

>>143081360
Must be U6 Goku. This arc conveniently happens right after U6 Earth was recreated. Maybe the U6 Goku was evil and the U6 Saiyans destroyed his planet. Now he comes back and goes to kill every Saiyan in every universe for revenge.

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>>143081145
Exactly. When you consider that beerus, whis and trunks played integral roles in the xeno storyline it makes sense. Also when under demigra's influence victims have a dark aura.

>>143081536
He's more swole than ever, he was always more thick than muscular, but in DBS his arms are fucking jacked.

you cant have trunks and goten without each other any more. if trunks is in this, then it is goten. Evil has taken over goten and he wants to get trunks to fuse so he can get even more powerful

why would anyone think this is goku? looks way too skinny to be goku

>>143081394

>I didn't think Toriyama would want to use characters he didn't create.

Toriyama can't even remember the characters he made.

>>143081540
>universe 7 saiyans were generally asswipes
>universe 7 goku is a nice enough guy
>universe 6 saiyans are all great saiyamans
>universe 6 goku is an edgy douchelord
it's just predictable and cliche enough for toriyama

>>143080915
Read >>143079162

>>143081672
does he explicitly avoid killing trunks

>>143082036

That post makes no sense, or it's under the assumption that future trunk's timeline is another universe, which would make no sense.

>>143082065

No, he tries to kill him.

what I want to know is why the fuck future trunks has blue hair now

>>143082105
then he doesn't want to fuse with him

>>143082080
It was already stated back in Z that Future Trunks is from another Universe. #19 and #20 didn't exist in Trunks' universe, #16, never woke up, #17 and #18 were more violent and ruthless, and if they had stopped all of them and Cell then Trunks world would have been saved immediately. We just didn't know how alternate universes worked in the Dragonball multiverse until the last couple arcs.

>>143079162
Why would chichi allow the kaioshin to take him? Come on.

>>143082112
Same reason arale-chan doesn't save the day and the moon always regenerates and piccolo doesn't grow into a giant and fire clothes beams and roshi can fire beams that destroy celestial objects or why nobody looks their age or why buu can't destroy every enemy via absorption and candy beams or Etc. Stop posting this question every thread.

what if is just an android but that woul be fucking awesome

>>143082252
>piccolo doesn't grow into a giant
I was super shocked when Piccolo remembered he can stretch his arms during the tournament

>>143081947
Why would U6 goku have springy robot hands?

>>143082252
Actually, most of those things have a canon explanation. Except Arale not saving the day. That's just bullshit.

>>143082319
>springy robot hands?
what

>>143080893
>>143082364

>>143082239
Who says she had a choice? No one at that point was strong enough to challenge a Kai, short of maybe Goku who was coming down with his heart disease.

They could have taken him, by force, at birth with the intention of training him to be a God of Destruction.

It makes more sense than Goku somehow coming back to life, considering if the Dragonballs had still somehow existed in that universe Bulma would have found them already and fixed everything.

>>143082202
No.

He is still universe 7, but a different timeline. So an alternate universe 7. That is completely different from universe 6.

>>143082112
No real reason, it's just a retcon. They probably want to make it easier for kids to tell the difference.

They could also be covering bases for the future in case they ever decide to finally age Trunks and Goten up and for some reason Future Trunks makes another appearance, that way it's easier to differentiate between them.

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Anybody else wish they had gone for a more stoic looking bad goku instead of OP's
>>143077766
"I'm so evil look at my evil grin" cheesy bad goku?

>>143080978
Just one guy same fagging about the robot thing

>>143082556
What's the point of being evil if you can't enjoy it.

>>143082556
No. I think the fact that he started cackling when Trunks punched him in the stomach was actually great. We already had a stoic strong opponent fairly recently with Hit.

>>143082338

Explain le fucking moon presence.

How do we know he isn't an Android. Or something else?

>>143077766
why do i find him so hot

>>143080917
In space patrol jaco they mentioned that saiyans look like 5 year old untill they are adults or some shit.
It is a lazy way to not age characters.

>>143082412
Why not kidnap gohan or trunks? That's a big stretch. The kaioshin somehow kidnaps goten, who is somehow born, and for some reason hates the saiyans. If he was powerful enough to take Goten forcibly, why not just kill Gohan and Trunks, the last 2 remaining Saiyans? He hates Saiyans afterall.

Btw, kaioshin brought Goku back to life in Z.

>>143082743

We don't.

Dude has green lasers with darkness.

Maybe Goku split out his evil self not unlike Demon King Piccolo

Or maybe not

>>143080917
>>143082758

if anything this future trunks is the one who looks fourteen...

I think the kids are younger though, like 10 or 12 at most

>>143082684
Kami rebuilt it. They actually did explain that.

As for D... you know the next episode literally states Black Goku, right?

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>>143082684

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>>143080725
>hot new villain of the season is a stupid toy robot.
>Robot
So Tori-bot is the one making Future Trunks miserable?

Black goku is ssj5 from the GT universe. He has the same dark voice as SSJ 4. He has just mastered SSJ and 5 in his normal form but kept his ssj4 voice.

>>143077766
Only one earing, so imho it is not fusion it is body-mind transfer like Ginyu except that green kaioshin dude. When we meet him he'll act like goku and we'll be like whaaat and misunderstandings huehehe.

>>143077766
Didn't they do that with Danny Phantom, the evil sid>>143077766
e destroys the future

>>143077766
He's the kid with the spiky hair.SHOBU!

>>143078728
Other than looking like him he had no connection to Goku and is from a non canon movie that Toriyama probably didn't even watch that literally can't fit in the timeline even if you wanted it to.

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I think it's clear who "Black" really is. Amiright?

>>143082556
No, his attitude is what's making him remotely intresting besides being an evil Goku. He gets punched and fuck laughs, the entrance, dat theme. Goku Black is probably the most stylish DBZ villain we've had.

>>143078722
But they did that in gt

>>143077766
He is what Goku will become if he keeps become a fighting maniac and always pic a fight to someone stronger.

>>143082319

He doesn't have shiny red eyes or demonic shape either even though that is how he looked before came out of the clouds.

I am pretty sure that you know that the robot hands in that scene are never going to be addressed ever again.

>>143084307
Mixtape coming soon

>>143084307
Lol yeah.

See, green kaio is "the man" using goku black to kill his own kind (black on black crime)

Black is so comfortable in his position as a pawn he doesn't give a shit about anything.

>>143084691

Nah unless they are 100% evil Goku turns the jerks and edgelords he fights into nice guys. Even Beerus can't resist his charms.

>>143084695
Until he shows his true form of course.

I can buy the glowy eyes for drama, anon. Not silly robot hands with springs instead of wrists.

It does seem like they are linking this with xenoverse.

The figure "black" in the shadows had red glowing eyes and big hands. Much like demigras second form.

Shapeshifter makaioshin?

It wouldnt even make sense for demigra to be a villain because ssj3 goku whooped his ass, and if im not mistaken god form was too much for him.

>>143084842
>It wouldnt even make sense for demigra to be a villain because ssj3 goku whooped his ass, and if im not mistaken god form was too much for him.

Well, I think he's showing up again in Xenoverse 2. Maybe he's going to be stronger?

It could also maybe end up as a Babidi style deal where Black Goku is stronger even though he's under Demigra's employ.

hey is the black goku / future trunks stuff animated well or does it look like shit?

>>143084792

If your point is that it looks stupid then I agreed with you.

I don't know but this Goku doesn't feel that evil to me, he seems like he only wants revenge against all saiyans including their family and loved ones.

>>143084922
Could be.

That means everything we saw in heroes like "super mira", ssj3 mirai no trunks, etc will show up.

And those 3 little kaioshin who were fighting time breaker bardock when he went ssj3 in heroes.... Damn they arent even sugarcoating .

And they recently dropped "super db heroes" cabinets....

>>143084994
He is pretty twisted. Wait and see. This is a goku with no remorse for anything.

>>143082676
>I think the fact that he started cackling when Trunks punched him in the stomach was actually great.
Fuck yes. It's small things like this that help with the tonal shift and give a darker vibe

>>143085053
He would tear brolli to shreads and make him shit himself and throw it up.

>>143084930
It's about as good as the animation has been recently. I wouldn't go so far to say it's animated "well", but it's not shit.

>>143080218

I think he is Goku or Goten from a alternate timeline and other universe. I think maybe he has some special power related to the Kais and considers himself a higher being which is why he speaks of Saiyans as if they are another species.

>>143077766
e) Another bad guy that shape shifted into goku or absorbed him somehow

>>143084786
No Black IS Goku. Becasue you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian

>>143081138
There is a fanfic of this exact scenario except it's an evil trunks who kills himself and eats his power.

>>143085137
its fucking terrible, and the sense of power is absolutely fucking zero, its like watch a marvel capeshit flick but with less interesting fights.

>>143085875
>it's an evil trunks who kills himself and eats his power
What is this, Jet Li's "The One"?

>>143084691
Yes. This happen after he won the tournament, and then can actually defeat Vegeta, Beerus and Wiz.

Jesus Christ, the Trunks sure are into handholding sessions, the way Future Trunks held Mai's hand was downright lewd

>>143077766
e) Gohan's son. He laid an egg like his actual grandfather did.

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How the fuck I am suppose to enjoy this show when the fights are like this? Haven't we been past planet busters since the fucking Saiyan Saga?

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I don't care. I want to fuck him.

>>143086092
>Black is supposed to be stronger than Goku now
>Has trouble with a measly non-god SS1 trunks who never even managed SS2.

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> Accomplish our goal
> Even if it means throwing everything else AWAY

Why Future Trunks cant have nice things? Being that fucker means suffering, sadness and sorrow.

>>143086148
I know you miss your dead son, and husband, Chichi, but fucking your husband's evil identical twin is not the answer

>>143086306
The guy was actually playing with him. The fucker just laughed when FT charged at him.

>>143086307
Well fuck, here we go again.

>>143086307

> Black will be a powerful badass, real threat to Z warriors.
> Bills wont help Z warriors cause of dumb reasons (probably cause of the green kaio)..
> Future Trunks will sacrifice himself to save the present timeline.

Screencap this.

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>>143086383
no, you screen cap this.
>Black will slap the ever living fuck out of Beerus for even daring to say a word around him.
>Vegita and Goku have to fuse to fight Black.

>Black is what Goku turns into when his brain damage gets fixed.

So Black can time randomly time travel too because fuck you why not?

You see him in the episode preview fighting Goku. What the fuck?

>>143079162
Universe=/=timeline
for fuck's sake it's been said so many times

>>143086531
That is some really ridiculous looking shit
I'd main it
Gotta wonder what a Champa/Beerus fusion would look like though

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>>143086306
Not that, look at this fight between characters who aren't even Saiyan saga Tier (according to DBZ power scaling). And compare it to the shit the Characters from super are capable of, when they are millions or billions of times more powerful (again through power scaling) than they were during early Dragon Ball Z.

>>143082923
why is that もとに detached from the rest?
I was reading it it as 消えちまった月を基に as in based from

>>143081536
Yajirobe stole everyone's gains.

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>>143086824
>comparing a 12 episode anime series to a long running anime series
Sasuga shitposter

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>>143086307
>Mom is dead
>Mai waifu is dead
>Cat might not survive
>Black just laughs when punched in the gut
>Escape to the past
>Black's coming back to the past too
>Black might kill mom again
>Black might kill Mai waifu again
>Black might kill Gohan
>Black might kill kid Trunks
>"Let me see the hope vanish from your eyes one more time. You don't get to die just yet."

>>143086531
Didnt those fuckers retconn the brain damage?

>>143086968
>基に
元に

When you're gonna flaut your kanji knowledge, at least do it correctly.

And that's black space is probably just a mistake or a form of highlighting.

>>143087152
No, Goku still got the head bump. Gohan still raised him. You've been fed lies from the internet.

Goku in Dragon Ball Minus was still a little shit when Gohan first saw him, stuffing his face with food.

>>143077766
I think hes a kai. He dresses like one. I just don't know what the green kai in the intro represents. Maybe a Yin and Yang thing were goku turns white and this one is black? Or maybe there is a new character (the kai) who has some sort of ability to unlock white in goku or maybe even gohan.

Yes im still shipping for gohan being useful im so tired of seeing goku fight everyone we get it jesus make gohan or vegita put in some work

I'm not sure if I'm thinking too deeply about DBZ lore but how exactly does this separate timeline shit work with regards to different universes? Do Beerus and Whis still rule over Future Trunks' timeline? I don't understand.

My guess is he's some form of fusion like vegito.
He's wearing an earring that looks the same as the ones used to create vegito, except they're green instead of yellow.

>>143087243
>Implying Goku wins fights in Super
He beat Majin Pooh, that's it. Might have lost to Jelly Vegeta if it weren't for Monaka. Goku's work never amounts to anything.

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>>143087083
Its not just a quality issue, its a fucking scale issue at this point, there is no scale to the combat in dragon ball super, none at all. They didn't even fucking adapt this scene from the manga which at least had some fucking interesting and realistic (for the characters involved) sense of scale and power.

>>143086824
Exactly, except super should be on a larger scale and faster.

Punching each other through star systems and planets crumbling high speeds.

Punching each other across the galaxy, universe. Different realities. Some op shit with untouchable collateral visuals with mega ultra heavy sound efx behind it.

>>143087338
You may be expecting to much from Toei even if they gave a damn about doing it well.

>>143087297
>Its not just a quality issue
Yes it is, Toei can't animate a fight of that caliber because of their schedule. If they tried it would look as bad as the Super Shenron scene.

>>143087297
Exactly. Imagine if this was done with more intensity than opm or asuras wrath combined?

>>143087365
Toei can't animate of fight of that caliber period.

>>143087393
That's just stupid. Of course they can, watch Precure.

>>143087413
I only watch battle shounen, wat is precure.

>>143087127
Why is watching Future Trunks suffer so delicious?

>>143087348
I mean basically taking "z" further......

Z did those things "impact", "collateral damage" from hits and going through buildings mountains, shit even planets.

Now, this "evil goku" cant even manage to knock future trunks through a measely building.

I know they are on a limited framecount but fuck, they couldnt afford to draw big ass craters?

Wtf happened to power ups? There used to be shit tearing up around them (craters, chunks of planet, oceans, cloud systems, lightning, nearby planets getting effed up). All we get is a camera shake and some dust sprinkles.

>>143086824
How is that a fight? Saitama just stands there and takes a beating until he gets bored

>>143087393
They could if the money was right.

They are doomed though. That ceo has to go lol.

>>143087501
He is shown occasionally lazily block some of Boros punches.

>>143087488
Black only used 1% of his Power Level.

>>143087178
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/4064161.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hHM-8QtmUE
DRAGON BALL SUPER - What's the Issue?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjXt4Fg9664
Does Budget Affect Animation Quality?

>>143087535
>1%
>Can't even punch a 170 pound man through a collapsed concrete building.

So what, that means at 100% he is capable of punching a 170 pound man through a mountain maybe, mountain range if we are being generous. Wow what a threat, surely Goku and Vegeta, who have been capable of busting planets since about 4 transformations ago will struggle to over come.

>>143087535
Lol still. If niggas like biscuit olivia can make his suit stay in the flex position and go through 5 mfn cinderblock black pentagon prison walls, a potential " god" using 1% of his power can't knock trunks through an already fucked up building? Lol

Heres a better one. Fnf arc. Vegita ssjb punched gold furiza in the face, he bounced off the ground......... Why didnt he go through the other side of the earth? Or out of orbit?

Even furiza saga on namek had more battle destruction.
I believe they made that shit up about "control" because the animators suck ass at fight scenes and want a quick buck.

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>>143087586
He'll attack when their guard is down, clearly.
With the DESTRUCTO DISK

>>143087649
The animators gaurd is always down in this show, just like their durability....

>>143087586
They dont get it.....they are not action junkies.

>>143087647
>Even furiza saga on namek had more battle destruction.
Because it was in a desert alien planet. By the Android Saga we get Vegeta missing an attack on 18 and it doesn't even completely vaporize a truck.

>>143087695
I need something to fill the void left by OPM season 1. I Really, Really, Really wanted it to be DBS, but its just not cutting it.

>>143087675
This doesn't change the fact that Black can one-shot Goku and Vegeta.

After all, BASE Goku did that to Buutenks.

Black finally uses the OP Solar Flare + Destructo Disk combo. Screencap this. I don't even care if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, y'all niggas be ready for the endless roller coaster ride of Trunks' suffering to hit another loop.

>>143087564
Interesting.

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>People are arguing about collateral damage like it's consistent in anime.
Top kek Seriously?

>>143086824
>Boros punches Saitama through several pillars

>Here he can't even break a piece of the ship in one hit

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>>143087748
>mfw he is actually weaker than everyone in the past and just exploits weaknesses and trickery to kill.

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>>143087748
>Vegeta gets cocky after kicking Black's ass
>"You're out of your league, you're not even worth being called Kakarot. So much for putting an end to the Saiyans."
>"Know what Vegeta? FUCK POWER LEVELS! FUCK SUPER SAIYANS! AND FUCK YOU!"
>Trunks' fw

>>143087562
Yes, that's exactly what proves how wrong you are.

Are you missing how?

>>143087806
Well, I don't think they were hitting the piece of ship, it just ripped apart from the shockwave of them trading blows inside it.

>>143087488
Its because they're horribly understaffed. They saw battle of the gods do well and said "hory shit, we need to release a series now while people are excited!" but didnt account for the fact that most of their employees were busy on one piece and other shit. They rushed the damn show to hell and back and we got stuck with underwhelming fights and animation.

>>143087847
You'd be wrong though.
>Catchpa: STOP
Yep

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>>143087806
>Boros melts a skyscrapper sized pillar of space metal

>Here he can't even melt the ground hes standing on

>>143087874
Prove it.
>Captcha: COOKIES
Mhmm

>>143087847
Boros wasn't attacking the pillars here either >>143086824
yet he still destroyed them.

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>>143087748
>>143087836
>Vegeta gets cut in half by Black
>"Three for three! Thanks Trunks, you've been a big help! Want me to kill your mom again? Or how about your girlfriend while she's a kid? Oh, better idea: you get to choose. You've earned it, buddy."

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>>143087874
Look at how fucking huge that chuck of space ship is compared to boros and saitama.

pictured before.

>>143080725
>Jkanime

Really, man?

>>143087837
I meant that I tought 基 not 元 was written there.

>「経験を"もと"に話す」とは言い換えれば「経験にもとづいて話す」ことと同じです。
>もとづく」は「基づく」という漢字しか存在しません。
>従って、ここでは元、本、素などの漢字は適切ではありません。

They fought evil Vegeta last arc and now they're fighting evil Goku. Epic

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>>143087950

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>>143087992
and after. We can clearly see how small Saitama and Boros are compared to that piece of metal, and we can see from the fact they are both moving away from each other, that they were in close proximity trading blows, nowhere near the edges of that piece. It got ripped apart by shockwave alone. They did not hit it, they did naahhhhttt.

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Black Vegeta when?

>>143088154
But, that's the Black Masked Saiyan... or at least, accept the fact that they're trying hard with the paper-thin disguises just like how the Masked Saiyan turned out to be obviously Bardock.

>>143077766
Tuffles, nigga.

>>143087743
Lol. Dbs was supposed to be hyper than opm but we got shit.....


At least if toei animation ever sells all their anime ip to 3rd parties after op and pc end bonedry, dragonball may be saved by a competent studio/company one day.

We will get hype shit from db once in a blue moon. After the current agenda falls flat on its face.

They are trying to franchise to old and new fans. But really doing nothing for old fans desu. New fans dont know shit about the action template dbz had set and so many animes modernized it. Now its straying away and watered down.

One piece is using dbz sound efx (yes i know its toei) but super needs that shit back. The new sound efx are weak.

>>143088255
You type like the Ultimate dude. Have you found a new gimmick?

Man, Super just has the best ideas for new character designs. First there was SSJ God which is default Goku with red hair, then that got upgraded to SSJ Blue which is SSJ but with blue hair, and then there's Frieza's newest form which is his old final form except gold, and now we get Black Goku which is Goku wearing black.

Whoever's coming up with all these is a creative genius.

>>143087848
True shit.

Sometimes i wish db could of went the hnk route of manly action but with less gore.

Do what z did good, but multiply it. Give us kai opening quality or better.

The IQ supply 7 mirror mistake was my favorite dbz animation followed by saikyo e no michi.

>>143081154
>>143081064
See: >>143081606

>>143088277
>Variations of character's base, SS, and ultimate forms look like their base, SS, and Ultimate forms!

Who would have thought!

>>143086307
Future trunks going the Future Gohan route. Make friends with kid trunks. He gets killed and kid trunks finds his body and becomes the cool trunks or future trunks saves kid trunks from a attack and then kid trunks stops being a faggot and becomes cool.

>>143087338
look at it another way. goku and gohan were able to train their base ssj form in the hyperbolic time chamber to more stable and less destructive, why couldn't they do that for all their forms? the more they refine their ki the more capable they are of focusing their power and thus causing less collateral damage.

>>143087297
This is like that scene from Dr Slump, the powercreep reached literally comedy tier

it's a kai that can shapeshift and he probably will no longer look like goku after the next episode

>>143086092
What the fuck? I loved that part faggot, it's better than pew pew lazer spam and talking in a shitty tone of voice for 10 minutes

>>143088819
all of that is terrible as well.

>>143088519
SS4 was a variation but it was way better then this Super crap

The pacing for this shit is horrible all that useless talking about food and kid Trunks' school scene really annoyed

>>143080915
But what's stopping another alternate timeline from occurring at the time Goku died against Cell? The original Future timeline basically originated from Goku dying to the heart virus. So it's not impossible for an evil Goten to happen, especially when Black can travel to alternate timelines with ease.

>>143089871

If Black can travel to alternate timelines with ease, what's to say he's native to Future Trunks timeline? It seems that he might hail from one of the destroyed universes or another alternate timeline, and he moves from timeline to timeline killing all in his path.

>>143084300
Will Trunks defeat Black by reminding him of his parents and sucker punching him?

>>143087950
If TFS ever gets to do Dragon Ball Super Abridged, I wouldn't mind MasakoX channeling some Takahata101 into an "Evil Brit Goku" performance.

>>143090013
In 10 years.

It's obviously bardock lmao

>>143090013

I'd kill to see them do that.

>>143090013

So the Ginyu Goku Voice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKl02m4lkJc

>>143077766
Guessing something different altogether because they keep saying "Saiyan" as if they're not a Saiyan, and by killing Trunks it would be the end of all Saiyans, again implying he isn't a Saiyan.

Or..
Goku became the new God of Destruction, powers went to his head.

Why is F-Trunks even trying anymore
There is literally nothing left in his world and he has no idea the super dragon balls exist. Just let it die and live happily in the past.

>>143090013
Is there any reason why TFS can't do it once after the Cell Saga? Imagine Future Trunks going for "vacations" (reason for the movie cameo) once his ordeal in Z is all done and when he comes back, Goku Black is waiting for him. Shouldn't have wasted those precious time travel energy.

>>143090246
>Just let it die and live happily in the past.
Oh man, how relevant for this series amirite?

>>143090246
His world might be fucked but that doesn't mean he shouldn't warn everyone else.

>>143090276

They might tease it if they do the episode where Future Trunks kills Imperfect Cell.

>>143090236

>Beerus is just training goku to eventually take over his body and wipe out all saiyan competition

>>143090347
>Beerus starts with B

NUOH MY GOD

>>143086824
>>143087338
See vid related starting at 3:30 for an acceptable scale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29CGDbYOYw

Hell even this is way too little now, this was maybe SSJ3 level at best, ever since SSG (let alone SSGSS) this scale way too small. Could still be explained away with "they are more efficient and don't bleed power from their attacks so stuff is more concentrated".

Either way the current state of things is pathetic, Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz had bigger devastation than battles now for fucks sake.

>>143090477
I don't think these games are very well done. Bad example.

>>143090508
Doesn't matter, the scale is what I'm talking about, not the production values or anything like that.

>>143090543
Ah, gotcha.

>>143090226
Something like that I guess. Maybe play around with the inflection or something so it's not 100% the same.

>>143086824
We got master Rochi figthing Freezers men and winning, I pretty much stopped caring about the canon and power levels and what it should be and just enjoy the fun and I suggest you do the same.

Will be something stupid like Whis' attempt at forcing Goku to become the new God of Destruction by giving him those earrings and taking the evil part with him to train and replace Beerus, who is killed by villain X. The good Goku is dead because Chi Chi shot him while he was sleeping.

>>143090477
>>143090508
>>143090543
>>143090560
Actually they did do the pacing very well. It starts on the huge scale, then ends in simple. When they fight in that final minimalist place the sense of scale is still there, just implicit and not in your face. Gives a much much better sense of scale than if it had happened without the prior planet/star-busting.

>>143082923
goku looks so cute and innocent in dragonball i wish they would bring back that art style

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>>143090812
>minimalist
And then this happens

>>143090896
With a photoshop scale tool animated introduction as well, absolutely sasuga toei.

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>>143090896
>that part with the scale tool "animation"

Didn't know if to laugh or cry. Possibly the worst animation I've ever seen in an anime, there are plenty but at least in most they have TRIED to animate it and failed.

super really needs to get rid of these retarded subplots that are pointless and just takes up time nobody cares about kid trunks in math class

>>143091028
Filler. The more they pad it out the more episodes they can pump out the more money they make.

>>143091058
Filler inside of filler, fillerception.

>>143091028
Uhm pilaf related things are always the most important

>>143091028
>hating on the pilaf gang
shit taste

>>143091058

So when Super Kai comes out, they'll cut that out?

>>143091028
I had a good giggle during that part, just seeing the Pilaf gang in class with Trunks was enough to make me laugh. I hope they don't cut all that out. The arc will be over in no time if they do that too.

>>143077766
He's an evil shadow created as a side-effect of Future Trunks splitting the timeline, effectively creating an entire separate universe somehow.

Goten of alternate timeline

>>143086092
Its the best animation super has had so far. Not saying it's great, just saying things are looking up somewhat

>>143091575
The title of episode 49 is "A Message from the Future - Goku Black Invades!", so no, it's not Goten

>>143077766
I was thinking, maybe he's Baby, or however you spell it.

>>143091679
>using the same frame 3 times
>good
they did the same shit with the hit vs goku fight

>>143091723
Because there's not very many known villains that seem to really hate Saiyans.

Am I the only one that thinks super vegito is stronger than bog god goku, not current goku though.

what if black goku does not travel in time, instead, what if trunks traveled to that specific point in time because that was when black appeared for the first time

it would also explain why trunks attacked goku

>>143092353
>because that was when black appeared for the first time
That would mean that he appeared before Trunks went back to the past in the Cell Saga, which doesn't make much sense.

Toriyama said that the gods of destruction and Zen'o would be involved, so a villain able to break through time like that seems to be a big enough reason.

>>143091747
People obviously aren't praising it for the repeating frames, but everything else in the battle. You didn't see people praising the animation of the Goku vs Vegeta training sequence before the RoF arc.

>>143091708
They called Gohan "mini-Goku" in the title of the first ep of dbz.

if you chose d you are definitely wrong.

>>143092400

>That would mean that he appeared before Trunks went back to the past in the Cell Saga, which doesn't make much sense.

not at all, future trunks recalled the events of cell arc, that means black appeared after the period of peace from when trunks killed the cell in his timeline who was trying to travel to the past

but you are right about your second paragraph

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>>143081536
Women were always a bane of power levels.

Goku:
>no wife - proper development in DB
>gets married - dies in a fight against Radditz
>stays away from wife in afterlife - beats Saiyans and Frieza, gets Kaio-ken, gets SSJ, can into teleportation
>trains for THREE years while staying with wife - no power level gains, gets heart cancer
>spends one year in Hyperbolic No Wife Chamber - SSJ mastered
>seven years in afterlife - jumps to fucking SSJ3, learns fusion
>back to life and wife - no progress
>spends some time with Beerus - SSB
>goes to Hyperbolic No Wife Chamber - KKx10 SSB
>goes back to wife - instantly loses control over ki, suspicious as fuck
>runs away to Kaiou - healed

Veggie:
>stronger than Goku until meets Bulma on Namek
>wise enough to fuck his gf and run away - gets SSJ
>Hyperbolic No Wife Chamber - SSJ Stage 2
>stays 7 years with wife - only gets SSJ2, completely outclassed by kakarot
>runs away to Beerus - surpasses Goku in 6 months

Gohan:
>useless aside from rage autism until Piccolo kidnaps him
>gits gud with Piccolo
>gits gud on Namek
>trains three years with mother around - no gains
>Hyperbolic No Mom Chamber - SSJ2, surpasses his father
>spends 7 years with mother - actually LOSES power
>goes to Sacred World - surpasses his father again
>gets married - cannot even into SSJ

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Also:
>Champa has female supervisor - fat fuck, no one treats him seriously
>Beerus has male supervisor - magnificent cat, gets all pussies

where is the new episode?

>>143092457
People are praising it where? Bizzaro land?

>>143087879
>space warlords can't melt metal decks

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>>143091679
>Its the best animation super has had so far.

>>143092620
>not at all, future trunks recalled the events of cell arc, that means black appeared after the period of peace from when trunks killed the cell in his timeline who was trying to travel to the past
My point is exactly that. This Trunks comes from after Cell was defeated, so Goku Black can't possibly be appearing in the present now - because from Trunks' point of view, it'd mean that Goku Black appeared in his timeline before the Androids were defeated, something that obviously didn't happen. So, no, Goku Black isn't about to appear in the present for the first time, repeating his timeline. It's Goku Black coming from the future.

>>143089143
Yeah, go watch digimon if you want more digimon character design.

>>143088154
>launch

at least someone remembers...

Screencap this
I don't care I may proven to be right
Remember the original SSJG?
After losing his powers, he started to hate the saints and wants to kill them all. When he got his powers back Saiyans were already dead. So he decided to hunt down the last remaining saiyans and destroy everything dear to them. In mean time he defeated Beerus and Whis and took up the mantle of the God of Destruction. He made that green haired Kai his new assistant and from him he learned about the last saiyans. Now he's here to give Saiyans pain.

>>143094188
>saints
Saiyans
Autocorrect

>>143094188
lmao no

Since we're all throwing out bullshit ideas and ruining /a/ for everyone

Demigra's true form is the stupid spring robot thing, and it's parasitic. He found his Xenoverse body long before getting sealed in the buttcrack of time. Now he's trying to find a new body to act as a proxy to break his original one out of the timecrack. Hence the sole earring. Why he's killing all humans and Saiyans I have no idea. Maybe he's trying to goad The Kai of Prison out so he can get the key to his cell or something.

Although I would prefer it if this thing was a tuffle.

It is an android. Probably the 16 of this Universe.

>>143087127
Imagine Blackaratto actually killing these people

if only black goku OST was
https://youtu.be/Fak1lC7WDVE?t=87

>>143095056
or even this (first part)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v9rs5Bq5K8

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>>143081536
The Ox King is still pretty swole too.

>>143095233
How old is this guy again?

>>143078778
I would suck Toriyama's dick if Black is Goten, for fuck's sake give something to the poor boy. Also it would be a breath of fresh air after the only ones that matter are Goku and Vegeta, we don't need more Gokus, evil or good.

I don't give a fuck who this Black is, as long he is strong.

And I am not talking about pure raw power, but some hax shit like Hit.

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>>143087338
That's exactly how Beerus and Champa fight in the manga though

I still can't get over it.

It's blatant stupidity that Goku in godform can survive in space, with no oxygen, but would drown in water.

Goku is dead in the future trunks universe. He is an android.

The little flies that spied on all Gokus fights probably kept spying all the way till now and designed an ultimate android.

>>143081360
>>143081540
>>143081947
>>143082319
Are you well aware that the U7 characters don't exist in U6? At best there should be counterpart for Goku, maybe a lazy Saiyan, Cabba could be Vegeta's counterpart. Goku's should be a whole different individual.

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>>143081536

>yfw when its Baby controlling Goku and GT is confirmed canon in another Universe

>>143082556
To be honest I like his aptitude. He sure enjoys killing things and torturing Trunks, but he doesn't bark about it like the Sasuke tier Tagoma or 'this isn't personal kid' Hit.
He is a good villain.

>>143095233
he's got those weird muscle lumps that aren't even a part of his body

>>143086306
>I was using only the 0.000001% of my full power
>This isn't my final form
You know why Toriyama always use the same tricks? Because they always work

>>143082764
Because he didn't know the Saiyans were still alive, I mean everyone realized it just after Goku killed Frieza and then Cold (in Trunks' timeline), which make Gohan a non safe target as he is around strong people, same with Trunks, he was around Vegeta and Co. then he had Gohan to protect him, but unlike them Goten only had Chi Chi, because Gohan ran away after Chi Chi asked him to hide with her. Goten would be a easy target.

>>143096019

I mean, assuming GT was canon, it would be about the right time in Future Trunks' timeline for Baby to arrive on Earth without Goku/Pan/Trunks' intervention. Dr. Myuu's project would have been completely unaffected by the Androids wreaking havoc on Earth.

>>143092632
/fit/ was right all along, women are gains goblins.

>>143091747
Hasn't Dragon Ball been doing that "repeat the same frames" for a long ass time now? It's one of the anime's known properties since Z

>>143095056
>>143095140
The current OST is good though. It was bland before but ever since this arc started, the OST has been completely on point. Black Goku's introduction music is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2xIVVQ_7qU

>>143095799
>can survive in space
He was in still relatively in the atmosphere. It's not like they flew all the way into deep space or something

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>>143087127
>"Let me see the hope vanish from your eyes one more time. You don't get to die just yet."

>>143088277
Don't trigger Toriyama's apologists.

>>143090246
I thought there are survivors, I mean humans can hide in the montains.

>>143090896
That's the dragon from DB Evolution.

>>143091708
And? How can the tittle deny Goten being Black Goku?

Im 100% sure he is Goten

>>143092632
Add Future Trunks.
>Spend time with daddy, getd strong enough to kill the androids.
>Gets girlfriend, no gain, gets his ass kicked by Goku in black clothes.

>>143097088
Dubs confirm

>>143090013
I really hate Avridged stuff but TFS is great.
incredible how much more enjoyable the cell saga is when it's not suck up it's own ass with the seriousness.
Plus every line they make for #16 is fucking gold

>>143077766

e) Trunks is actually Black and he's schizophrenic.

What if it's Turles?

Its going to be funny seeing Black not giving 2 shits about beerus.

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>Next epp preview has Goku going only SSJ to fight Black
Welp, looks like we know how strong he is

>>143097098
lmao true

Why do people think Black Goku is Goten?

If its Goten, then it will be Obito all over again.

>>143077766
The earring suggests C, doesn't it? But he would have to be from a different timeline.

And is D even possible? Goten wasn't even born in Future Trunks' world.
A seems to be impossible too, since Goku in his timeline is dead, and it's not like he was ever evil after hitting his head as a child.
B seems somewhat plausable, since he can go through different dimentions, but why would he look for Trunks specifically? Also what he says suggests he isn't a sayian, this may rule the option of him being Goku out.

>>143084174
Lol. Toriyama created Turles as a 'what if goku stayed evil' character you fucking casual

It's not Goten

It will never be Goten

You idiots are going to think this all the way to the end of the arc and I'm going to laugh in your stupid faces

>>143097829
/a/ is tsundere for Naruto

>>143097326
He doesn't look, sound, fight, or act like Turles in any way.

Them bring Titles back would be great through. He could have eaten a ton of fruit to get keep up in strength.

>143088277

>Watching a show that you hate
>Enter the threads just to complain
>Sarcasm

Well to be fair the fans are not that smart either.

>>143096857

>Apologist
>Trigger

>>>/v/

>>143097950
Look who just arrived.

>Goku dies in Trunks timeline
>Goes off to train with the Kais
>He ends up eventually coming back to life
>Body gets taken over before he can return to Earth by the big bad who is like ALL ACCORDING TO KIEKAKU

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I been watching Super, trying to get caught up and what's with all the family/relationship bullshit? I always like the fact that despite their time on earth, Goku and Vegeta were still saiyans. Like even though they cared about their family, they were still kinda distant. I miss Toriyama.

>>143077766

E. A fusion of goten and someone else

>>143078728
>Hasn't the "evil Goku" thing been done before

By toriyama? No, I doubt he even saw the movie. Also Turles was just a random saipan who looked like goku for no reason.

>>143098070

Your imaginary friend?

>>143090921
>>143090956
they'll fix it in the BD

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Even IF Goten was still born in that timeline, without Goku, how come he doesn't have Adult Goten's haircut?

It's not Goten. Option D is the least likely.

>>143087488
>......
>Wtf happened to power ups? There used to be shit tearing up around them (craters, chunks of planet, oceans, cloud systems, lightning, nearby planets getting effed up).

You again? Why don't you go and masturbate with your dragon ball ultimate fanfic?

>>143098946
Goten isn't a pure Saiyan, so he doesn't keep his hair the same like full-blooded Saiyans.

It can grow like Trunks' hair. People saying it's option D are delusional.

>>143098946
>how come he doesn't have Adult Goten's haircut?
He said himself that he cut his hair because everyone was mistaken him with Goku

>>143099009
So because it can grow, it's impossible for him to cut it and maintain the same hairstyle? Are you retarded? Guess Mai must secretly be a saiyan because she's had the same hairstyle for decades and apparently that's impossible for humans, right?

>goten bodying trunks while in base form
No.

also why didn't they just take future trunks to dende

>>143099145
Dende is still in New Namek in that timeline.

>>143087365
fuckyou, I was trying to forget that scene
>imagine being at a disney musical with your parents
>multiply the shame x1000
>still better than super shenron

gotenfags are proving themselves to be worse than gohanfags
goten will never be relevant

>>143099257
Here comes the memeposter. Die already.

>>143098745
I wish.

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Think Future Trunks is going to get PTSD from looking at Goten?

Also it seems Goten may be more relevant in this arc since he's with Trunks and the others at the end of the opening.

>>143099204
i was talking about when they were scrambling for a solution to heal him

also what would happen if they take current earth's dragonballs with them into the future

>>143099423
no u

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>>143099503
Goten certainly looks like a pussy-destroyer there.

>>143099525
Dragon can't revive anyone who dies from "natural causes"

>>143086383
>>143086531
include me in the screencap

>>143099503
Imagine him having to watch beings like Goku Black everywhere, constantly having flashblacks of Bulma and Mai dying.

>>143099591
this has nothing to do with anything i said

>take current dende into the future
>he creates a new dragon
>wish to restore the world