Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1579

その絵を賛成します。

This is the new thread

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

so is that reddit's V2K deck legit?

I feel like I don't get the DOJG anki deck, specifically how you review. I just press Easy on everything because I felt like I understood it on the first see. And the reviews the next day are super boring because it just shows me stuff I already know. I just want to do new cards without reviews, but I think this kind of defeats the purpose. Maybe it's because the beginning is so easy since I did TK.

Am I doing something wrong?

がんばれｎｏｏｂｓ

>>143048346
Man some of the pictures being used for these threads are great, I for one am glad that we decided to let people change them up

I was a way for a long time. I wonder which autist started this stupid shit with OP pictures. One picture was a good way to prevent double threads. There was also one reason less for people to shitpost and a little bit less metaposting. Are you proud of what you did, faggot?

>>143048597
Except no one here complains but you.

>>143048518
grammar structures are pretty tough to forget
if you really want to keep looking at them with minimal context then you might be better off just reading the dojg books or leafing through the cards on your own time instead of using anki to review them
honestly though the deck and book are kind of superfluous
I haven't found a single use for them, looking up grammar on google or alc.co.jp is just always more efficient for me

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>>143048597
くそくらえ

>>143048518
Just press easy a few times and they'll go away

>>143048622
I've seen a good few complaining people over the last few threads.

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>>143048597
>complains about metaposting in his own shitty metapost

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おはようおにいちゃん

たいへんなの

>>143048713
Yeah, the irony is not lost on me.

>>143048670
There's always gotta be a few autists who wake up on the wrong side of the bed and decides to make a big deal about something that doesn't matter in the slightest, while 99.9% of the other people just glances at it, thinks "oh hey nice pic", and then move on with discussing ontopic shit

>>143048714
もう６時間前に「おはよう」と言っただろうな
お前にとってはいつでも朝だな

>>143048670
no you didnt

>>143048518
The DoJG Anki deck is one of the worst things ever made.

Grammar should never be done through Anki - unlike vocab, it's too complex and context-reliant to be squeezed onto flashcards, so you either have these enormous cards which are awful for the quick recollection that Anki is designed for, or cards which miss a lot of the depth and subtlety required to actually understand the grammar point in the wild. Consulting DoJG is good and useful, but you should learn grammar from reading. Attempting to do it through Anki will only cripple your progress.

>>143048927
Nice copypaste.

>>143048927
>have a grammar textbook with a lot of example sentences
>"Yes, this is good."
>paste it page for page into anki losing literally nothing in the process
>"wow this is trash"

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>>143048346

>>143048927
>squeezed onto flashcards
But flashcards on anki have more space than you could ever need
What are you trying to convey with your buzz words?

>>143048994
Why isn't there a Japanese language guide that's this compelling

>>143048991
>grammar dictionary
>come across a grammar construct you're not familiar with while reading Japanese texts (something you guys probably don't do much of) and quickly look it up, before heading straight back to reading
Yes, they're really comparable.

>>143049018
I mean you can put all the random information you like onto a flash card, but the purpose is to memorise things, and smaller flashcards are easier to memorise. Obviously.

>>143048518
>Am I doing something wrong?
Yes, you're using the DOJG in a way it was never intended to be, and in a format completely unsuited to it.

>>143049098
I don't read the whole card, just the example sentence and the mini card on top. I only read the entirety when I don't get it. So it is pretty quick and easy to do.

So... I recogize kanji I have learned on the Anki flash cards instantly, but the moment I see them somewhere else (like on here) I often struggle. Do you think it is because of the size of the kanji? Can you think of any other reason?

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>>143049033
a critical lack of cute girls to guide us, even ani tore ex on nico is getting tubby neets to move some sludge around their hardened arteries

>>143049098
You do realize that the grammar deck has a bunch of example sentences? It let's you understand it just as well as encountering it while reading.
And what's wrong with learning grammar before you need it? By your logic vocab decks are useless as well.

>>143049098
>(something you guys probably don't do much of)
>youre studying differently from me so clearly youre an inferior japanese learner that never reads native material
When you're this insecure in your own opinion there's really no need to bother proving you wrong.

>>143049098
>come across a grammar construct you're not familiar with while reading Japanese texts
>wonder if you actually know it but don't understand the sentence
>wonder which dictionary you need
>finally indentify it
>read on the subject
>could have finished the chapter in the meantime

It's purpose isn't hammering every single detail about every grammatical point in your head. You just familiarize yourself with the grammar. It's a tiny deck. It doesn't put any additional strain on you if you don't go full retard doing 200 cards a day. What's the drawback?

>>143049171
Learn vocab.

>>143048883
What a Wonderful World.

>>143049248
I don't particularly support learning vocab before you encounter it in the wild either, you should do Core to get a foundation but after that all my words are mined when I encounter them.

>>143049323
The deck has a sum count of the total amount of hours you've spent in it, right? Post it.

>>143049248
Not the guy you're replying to.
>And what's wrong with learning grammar before you need it? By your logic vocab decks are useless as well.
They are. Spending 3+ months reviewing flashcards before ever touching genuine native material is a horrible idea. I don't understand how it ever took root.

It strikes me as a sort of malignant perfectionism ("I can't start reading until I've memorized every last detail about the language! I can't allow myself to make mistakes! I have to be perfect before I start reading!").

>>143048508
Am I supposed to hate Kaufmann? I like him.

>>143049462
>I don't understand how it ever took root.
Because it hasn't. Every time people ask when to start reading the answer is as soon as you want, with the "the sooner you start the more you need to look up" warning thrown in.

Stop fucking whining about things that don't happen, are you the same guy that complained about how /djt/ was too rude towards people posting their handwriting when that happened in literally one thread out of like 100?

>>143049642
アニメたのしみ

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>>143049443
Not him but here's mine. When it's grammar I already know I either suspend it right away or click easy when I'm not sure I can recall it at any moment. I also suspend all the repeat cards you get the next day.
I look at the grammar's basic introduction, try to translate the 10ish sentences it gives me, look at the proposed translation, think about the differences and then move on. I'm pretty confident this is worth my time.

>>143048346
>DJTに来て日本語を学びましていい！
That doesn't even make sense.

should you learn vocab before grammar or the reverse?

>>143049033
There is: Namasensei

>>143049885
You should start by watching 10000 hours of anime

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Did anyone ever compile cute anime images for core 2k?

>>143049885
You should learn both in parallel.

In fact anything else is impossible, because you're never done with either.

>>143049723
私も、制作は動画工房なのですごく楽しみしています。
全作は大抵な気にいただから。

>>143049887
Shame he only covers kana and the most basic or the basic grammar

>>143048927
Fuck off troll.

>>143049898
but anime is for nerds

>>143049981
You can learn Japanese only if you are a nerd

>>143049443
>I don't particularly support learning vocab before you encounter it in the wild either, you should do Core to get a foundation but after that all my words are mined when I encounter them.
And what makes you think there's a difference between finding vocab through reading then adding it to a vocab deck and encountering a vocab for the first time in core itself instead? In core you have the example sentence, when mining you have the context. Both slip into irrelevance after like 3 lapses, or do you know even half your mined vocabs' origins?
Whether you learn grammar before or after seeing it in native material and whether you learn vocab before or after first encountering it while reading doesn't matter. It's not something you can't understand without "true" Japanese as your context, in the end everything grammatically right works as context.
Stop preaching your own learning method so hard, it makes it really obvious that you're just trying to convince yourself you're not doing anything wrong, which is already a pointless worry in itself.

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Time to try again, surely this time I wont give up, right?

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What fine high literature are my fellow gentleman of /djt/ reading?

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Is there any point after which you might as well start anew with a fresh deck?

Some anon in one the last threads I think had a good point about font size in anki correlating to recognition.

Sometimes I would be reading and have to stop at a kanji to look at it more closely. I knew the kanji, but I had to take a double take. Lowering the font size in my decks has improved my reading speed.

Maybe it's just because I'm still shit, but lower the font if you're having this problem.

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>it's a 佐田 does not go to Monaco in the end episode

>>143048346
Nice OP

>>143050211
You can, you know, just swap out your browser/OS font for the Japanese one, or just make it bigger with ctrl+mouse wheel.

>>143050078
>50 minutes per day on average for 15 months
>less than 1k words learned
Someone help me interpret anki stats, this can't be right

>>143050086
FH

>>143050200
I read somewhere that generally it's always better to power through piled up reviews than to start anew.

>>143050086
その眉毛を舐めたい

>>143050086
Hey, I can read that!

>>143050086
留美子はこんな絵は描かない

>>143050260
I restarted the deck like twice, still a slowpoke though.

>>143050260
>I read somewhere that generally it's always better to power through piled up reviews than to start anew.
Do you remember the reasoning for it? It seems to be the conventional wisdom around here, but personally I find it so much harder to study vocabulary from so long ago that I remember nothing about the context.

>go 4 days with only reps and no compelling material
>77.5% rate
daily reminder to always read your shit alongside with anki

>>143050428
Not him but you can't learn Japanese. You failed once so you don't have the willpower. Give up now and watch some Animu with subs

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>>143050086

Is 黒の騎士団 an order of knights that are black or a black order of knights?

>>143050692
I remember when I also relied on the failure of others to boost my own motivation. Kinda lame in retrospect.

>>143050428
It's core, the context is on the card bro. The most time efficient thing you can do now is suck it up and power through.

>>143050762
二奥深い四我輩

>>143050764
Impossible to tell without further context.

>>143050428
You don't need context for vocab study. You should be able to recognize the word without context, or you will have problems if you see it in a completely different grammatical structure or context.

>>143050764
>a black order of knights
this one

>>143049912
Yeah, it's called Google image search and an hour or two of your time.

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>>143048346

Great image, OP. I like you. Come over to my house and study Japanese with me.

>>143050428

A fact about Anki that for some reason is not very well-known is that it has smart intervals. Say you do 100 new cards one day, but the next day do not review them. Had you reviewed them, at default settings, the next "good" interval would have been 3 days. But you didn't - now say you leave it for another week without reviewing them, then go back and review them. Now the "good" interval will be much larger, because you actually went a week without seeing them, so there would be no point in having the interval be at 3 days when you just proved you went a whole week while remembering them.

This means that you should do your reviews instead of starting a new deck because you won't waste your time relearning things you already know.

See http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#frequently-asked-questions and pic related.

Am I supposed to be writing new kanji down as I go through my Anki reps?

>>143050998
No.

>>143049706
>are you the same guy that complained about how /djt/ was too rude towards people posting their handwriting when that happened in literally one thread out of like 100?
Entirely unrelated as no one says that someone should cram vocab for three months prior to reading anything but anons always sperg out when someone posts their handwriting, or any sort of production that isn't textual shitposts. I have no idea why you would even group those two together, unless you were one of the anons who found that personally offensive to have someone bring it too attention.

That's pretty dishonest, trying to sneakily add that at the end. Like a political party tacking a shitty trade agreement at the end of a bill that everyone else supports but wouldn't support on its own.

>>143050998
if you feel like it helps you remember kanji, sure

>>143050782
>Kinda lame in retrospect
Yeah because you gave up and had not even like 1000 cards. You really only came here for shitposting so you'll probably end up giving up again.
やっぱ三日坊主やん

>>143051024
>>143051053
It doesn't necessarily help when doing my reps. When I see the Kanji I can read it but if I ever need to write something myself with Kanji I have a lot of trouble remembering.

>>143051038
図星でしょう

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なっとうたべたくなってきた

ごはんたこうかな

>>143051084
If you want to learn to write then find some exercise books or do an isolated kanji deck. Anki isn't designed for output studying, you'll just make your vocab review sessions way too long.

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>>143051038
>unless you were one of the anons who found that personally offensive to have someone bring it too attention.
I didn't find it offensive, I found it annoying how you (I'll assume it was in fact you) called out /djt/ on its predictable sperg responses or whatever you said when in the very same thread there was a handwriting post and not a single rude response.
It's fine that you're calling out unnecessary shitposts for the greater good, but stop exaggerating like that. How /djt/ sometimes shits on beginner production is rude, sure, but it's not like 100% of responses to them are that way. Not even half of them are. So the way you trashtalk /djt/ in its entirety is entirely uncalled for, it just makes it seem worse than it is and new guys will believe you and be scared into not posting production themselves. If you want to improve the climate do it by encouraging beginners rather than shitting on shitposters and in the process on the whole thread itself.

The way you acted like /djt/ tells people to do core2k and nothing else in the mean time is wrong as well. Yeah, some say it and a couple more seem to actually do it, but the more common statement is still to read ASAP. Same as above, instead of whining about what's wrong start telling beginners to start reading early on yourself.

>trying to sneakily add that at the end.
not even my final form

>>143051060
nigga you need to work on your poster-identity-intuition

>>143050782
It's not core, it's mined vocabulary.
>>143050826
With mined vocabulary, I only have the dictionary definition to go by, which is often too vague to really get the word, so I find it extremely helpful to remember the context, which helps explain exactly how the word is used. But I might just be overreacting, the sentence I keep at the back of the cards seem to help me enough and if I find something that I've completely forgotten and can't make sense of from the example sentence, I can always just delete that specifically.
>>143050926
That's a good point. I have to click again on the majority, but the few cards I do remember instantly enter mature territory.

>>143051310
You said it better than I could have hoped to.

>>143051324
>It's not core, it's mined vocabulary.
Huh, but it has 5999 cards and says core at the bottom
Not calling you out, but I'm confused

>Weekend anki

なあああんでええぇぇェェェ

Is it better to learn Hiragana or Katakana first?

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>>143051324

>With mined vocabulary, I only have the dictionary definition to go by

Try adding example sentences to your mined words!

>>143051370
You're confusing me with the other guy who fucked up, I'm >>143050200.

>>143051390
Hiragana obviously

It amazes me how many noob questions there are in these threads a day, like are there really that many people deciding to learn Japanese every day? Or maybe it's just people subtlety trolling every time

>>143051427
I don't think people realized that we're two people

>>143051204
納豆をたべる？だって君が鼻を突くだろ。本当に気色悪いよ。

How do I make small versions of letters in IME

>>143051390
Hiragana. This advice might be wrong and I didn't do it myself, but you can probably put off katakana and just read/learn grammar/anki with a katakana table open in another tab. It's relatively rare and if bruteforcing in realkana is not your thing it might be fine to only do hiragana for the time being.

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>>143051390
Kanji. Here's the chart. If you've learned this come again

>>143051454
You type "l" before the letter

Should I learn hiragana or romanji first?

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>>143051390
最初は簡単な聴解を一日１時間を３０日間
集中してやるのが近道だとおもうよ

>>143051427
Oh I see, my bad

>>143051445
You say obviously, but is there a reason?

I'm new to the thread but not to anime, I was just lurking and wondered which is better. I probably wont bother to learn either though. But still, I was curious, so I asked.

>>143051464
this shit is orgasmic
well done gooks

>>143051485
>but is there a reason?

Because you see hiragana way more frequently than you see katakana, if you were to learn kata first there would still be a huge amount of shit you wouldn't be able to read afterwards

>>143051464
I wonder how hard it is to learn Korean after Japanese.

>>143051523
literally only noteworthy thing to come out of that country

>>143051547
Cool, thanks.

>>143051554
Considering Japanese is only really as hard as it is because of the writing system, and Korean has the easiest writing system in the world, I'd imagine it would be quite the breath of fresh air

The grammars really similar too

>>143051588
>Korean has the easiest writing system in the world
Cyrillic and Greek is easier than that.

>>143051605
Why?

>>143051625
Roughly same amount of unique symbols (~25), but in Korean you also have to learn how to combine then.

>>143051588
Why the fuck don't the nips switch to romanji and get it over with. They can all read and write it, it makes no sense to continue with the moon letters.

>>143051684
Kanji are more stylish. Japanese books with their vertical symbols look way better than Western ones

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>>143051450
いい醤油をつかわないとくさいよ

醤油なしで食べるのはあたしもくさくてだめだよ

>>143051684
We really need an ironic response to this full of homonyms and shit

>>143051684
They are, in a few years they will make the transition.
Here is the government agency that's currently making the preparations:
http://www.age.ne.jp/x/nrs/

They passed the law last month that will ban kanji usage in 3 years.

>>143051684
Romaji is disgusting, kanji is a massive bitch but it has many advantages over other systems, and I for one would say the combination of kana and kanji not only looks really nice but also means you can express way more in terms of emotions and nuance and the likes

>>143051740
How does radio work in Japan?

>>143051786
Radio receivers have a small screen to display subtitles

>>143049706
>Because it hasn't.
You haven't been paying attention.

>are you the same guy that complained about [...]
No, but nice attempt at character assassination, friend.

>>143051554
I tried to study it for about half a year. Grammar is very similar, and there's a decent amount of vocabulary originating from Chinese that's shared between Korean and Japanese. Hangul is obviously much easier than kanji, about on the level of learning the kana. Pronunciations are a bitch, nowhere near as straight forward as Japanese. But worst of all, and the thing that made me ultimately drop it, is the lack of compelling material. Every minute I tried to study I was just reminded how much more I enjoyed studying Japanese thanks to being able to learn through watching and reading stuff I love.

Man I can't fucking deal with anki anymore, I'm so sick of getting vocab wrong that I've seen a million times, it's like as soon as I open anki my brain just switches off and refuses to get even the more simple words right

>>143050200
Just cap your reviews to a sensible level until you get through the piled-up ones, then remove the cap again when you've got things back under control.

It goes without saying that you shouldn't do any new cards in the mean time.

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今日も一日がんばらないぞい！

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>>143052005
>cap your reviews

>>143051390
It's better to read the guide before asking questions.

>>143051445
>>143051463
Stop spoonfeeding. The info he needs is in the guide.

>>143052023
Truck-kun spooked me for a moment

>>143052076
The guide is too long, can't be assed to read it. Much faster to just ask here, there are plenty of people answering.

>>143052051
>i le posted le smug le anime face le le le
upboated, my fellow redditor

>>143052113
死ね

>>143052113
>can't be assed
That's the spirit! Take all the shortcuts you can and you'll be fluent in no time!

>>143052113
>The guide is too long
You can't learn Japanese.

>assed
arsed*

>>143052113
If you can't be assed to read the guide you probably can't be assed to learn japanese in the first place either.

>>143016383

I saw the first episode, it was pretty good.

>>143052212
I don't want to become fluent, I just want to learn all the grammar and some vocab so I can read VNs with a text hooker as soon as possible. Yes, all the shortcuts that gets me to Dies Irae faster are something that I WILL use to my advantage.

>>143052113
It's all split up into relevant sections, pretty sure kana is like at the top too, there's really no excuse

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>>143052248
>ですかなにか

ってさんざんコスられたフレーズすぎて
ネイティブからいうとしょくしょうぎみだよ

>>143052023
Now I want to watch New Game, thanks DJT

>>143052081
No one can catch the serial killer truck

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>>143052278

寝返り
寝返る

>>143052360
起きる
起こる
怒る

>>143052360
turn coat
turncoat

>>143052309

speaku english desu this is amerika

>>143052360
情事
事情

かわいい
かわいそう

ググる
くくる

Question in regard to the IME:
How do I produce a space character?

I always leave the IME and go back afterwards, but that seems more complicated than necessary.

>>143052278
If you can't be bothered to read a guide on how to get started into reading as soon as possible you can't do even that much
You literally can't learn japanese

>>143052503
press space

How do you actually type kanji on the computer? Do you have to use the latin alphabet or is there some other way?

>>143052544
No, that converts the input to kanji.
...or do you mean without having input anything else first?

>>143052589
When you are not converting anything. Accept the conversion with enter then press space again.

>>143052589
>No, that converts the input to kanji.
Press "enter", then "space".

>>143052585
Japanese keyboards have 4 shift keys you have to use with your left hand and you type everything with the right. Everything is less characters though so it takes no longer than typing a sentence in English with two hands.

>>143052585
Try the guide.

>>143052602
Oh, yeah, that works. Thanks.

I feel stupid now.

>>143052585
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUbYaadO9wSSPx8eknoV9RA0HoBucaZrF2HXvs_bp0g/edit#heading=h.wsteifb3wbeg

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>>143052585
Also the latin and jap letters don't seem to correspond on this keyboard. Like "h" has "く" which is "ku" not "h". Explain?

How long did it take you to go from not knowing Japanese at all to doing whatever it was you wanted to do (reading VNs, manga, watching, dramas or anime, etc.) comfortably?

>>143052684
Because the qwerty layout wouldn't make sense in a non-latin language baka.

>>143052663
I'm banned from google docs so i can't see that

>>143052684
They don't have to correspond to the English. The layout is what Japs decided was ergonomic and efficient for regular use.

>>143052721
What did you get banned for?

Can't you just get a new IP address?

>>143052721
How the fuck do you even get banned from google docs in the first place

Okay thanks everyone. I've decided to lurk these threads from now on, I have ADHD so I think watching you guys talk about it and asking questions will be more effective then studying the guides. My eyes glazed over the moment I looked at it

>>143052795
Just ask step by step and we'll tell you the single thing to do, that way you don't get overwhelmed by all the resources and options.

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>>143052782
>>143052755
I don't know, whenever I try to view any google page I get pic related, but the captcha is impossible to get right even though I'm 100% sure I'm typing it correctly. So basically I cannot use any google service

>>143052795
Just read the guide. It's not even long. If you can't get through that, then how are you going to make it through Tae Kim? From the sounds of it, getting through Tae Kim wouldn't do you any good anyway since you'd be too lazy to look up words if you ever started reading.

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とろっ豆、おいしいかった

おにいちゃんにもおすすめするよ

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>>143052858
>we'll tell you the single thing to do
More like we'll tell him to fuck off and read the guide every time he asks something.

>>143052897
Shush you, I was attempting to lure him into a false sense of security.

>>143052876
You either have malware that is using you for DDOS or it's your ISP's fault.

>>143052876
That happens to me sometimes when I try to access google stuff through Tor.

Are you using Tor or some sort of proxy? If you're on Wangblows, maybe you've picked up some sort of virus that is manipulating or otherwise interfering with your internet traffic.

>>143052897
I know I would
I've met more than one ADHD prick
I fucking hate them

>>143052876
>>143052929
>You either have malware that is using you for DDOS
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet

How do you look up Kana you haven't seen before? I literally cannot work it out and can't search it because I can't type it.

It should be illegal to create kanji words that look like katakana
七夕
夕べ

>>143052699
I watched my first anime in 2004 and read my first untranslated VN in 2010

I think I started studying in 2007

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>>143053124
google translate lets you draw the characters

>>143053208
now draw a face

>>143052023
>go check the PV
>ぞい子 seiyuu is some complete newbie
>didn't feel like the voice fit too well
>everyone else was pretty much perfect
I hope it won't sound as bad when I actually watch the anime

>>143052338
This image is used mostly for trolling purposes but this is the first time I've seen it fitting PERFECTLY to the situation.

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>>143053225

>>143053411
>ッ
I don't know what I was expecting

ウフフ。。。
今日はだありんに
ご褒美をあげまーす

"Uhuhu, today I will give darling a reward"
or something like "Uhuhu, today darling will reward me"

>>143053513
the first one

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>>143053411
fuckken saved

>>143053513
>あげまーす
>what did she mean by this?
Did you at least read the grammar guide?

>>143053549
thanks

>>143053155
I agree on 夕べ, but where does 七 look like katakana?
ヒ is completely different.

Another example would be 口コミ.

>>143053603
I will get to it really soon, I've only been doing vocab

>>143052699
I've been watching anime for years now, and I knew the kanas before hand (studied when I was really, really little, never forgot).

About 2 months and half ago, I got a grammar guide, read it, and attempted to translate stuff.

It was like a challenge to myself to get a sentence and figure the meaning.
It worked, I can enjoy my mangos almost perfectly despite the need of a dictionary/OCR all the time for kanji and vocab, which is steadily improving.

Next I'm reading Oregairu and is also coming along, although feels a bit harder than mangos, but almost getting the hang of it.

Lastly I'm working on coming up with sentences here so I can finally shitpost on 2ch.

こんな感じで
キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!!
ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
ワロタ

面白くなったらすみません。(｡•́︿•̀｡)

Anyone else want to learn Japanese to read erotic VNs but then just jerk off to the images on some booru and then lose all motivation?

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>>143053690
You probably should. Reading without doing DOJG is one thing but reading without essential grammar can be a pain.

>>143053757
Use self-control and stop fapping to anything that doesn't have a lot of japanese text
(also don't skip the text)

Wait, people here skip text?

I read every single h scene.

>>143053798
Not him, but fapping while reading kinda sucks. It's not strenuous enough to make me lose my boner, but it still takes so long to get through a scene that my dick is sore by the end of it, and the more aroused I get the more I'm willing to focus enough to learn new vocabulary.

>>143054395
Read more so you learn to read faster

>>143054413
Of course, but specifically I think it's better to learn by reading other stuff, since there's a limit to the amount of erotic stuff most of us can manage to read in a day without exhausting our dicks.

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Why do ankiboners happen?

>>143054974
Maybe you have come to associate Japanese exclusively with sex

>>143054974
Your brain's trying to get you to pass out to stop the mental pain that reps cause, by redirecting all the blood in your body to your dick

>>143048346
I like you too

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>>143055273

>>143054974
なに

>>143056457
I wish I had a cute girl to なでなで

any anons know of some Japanese qualifications other than JLPT that I could get.

Im UK based.

Idc if its a course or w/e, I just need a non-shit CV.

>>143056492
>なに
そうですね。俺の「なに」は暗記をするたびに凄く勃起する

>>143056841
Why not JLPT?

>>143057000
He couldn't pass N5 so he needs something easier

>>143056841
You can come over and suck my dick if you want and I'll write you up a nice looking certificate

>>143057000
To have a JLPT and another qualification would make him stand out more, I guess?
Though being British is in itself a qualification to the Japs.

how does one look up grammar

what does そのせいで mean

>>143057175
Just googling the phrase is usually fastest

>>143057096
Sorry anon, I don't need a microscopy certificate.

>>143057175
It's just その　所為　で

>>143057175
>look up grammar
You learn it and stop being a pleb guessing your way through sentences.

>>143057175
Watch more anime so you have a native understanding of grammar

>>143057000
Already have N3. Going to sit N2 in December.
But thats literally all I've got in terms of qualifications atm, hence why I'm looking for more shit to put on the CV.

>>143057233
なんてむごい火傷

Why is it that in JAV girls are almost always unshaven, and in VNs girls are almost always bare?

Reminder to get out of this hell hole as soon as you can start reading light novels and mining your own vocab.

>>143057397
Because 3D and 2D are different things

>>143057446
I wonder where all the interesting people went

All anyone talks about here anymore is anki

>>143057517
We found the most effective method, that's all. After a thousand threads or more, we perfected the art of Japanese studying.

>>143057550
Most effective method of becoming suicidal maybe

>>143057550
This pretty much. Not much to discuss anymore unless you're too retarded to read the guide or you forgot to do your reps.

>>143057129
>Though being British is in itself a qualification to the Japs.
Is it?

>>143057550
We are far from perfect, we need to fold the thread thousands of times more

>>143057569
I went to the Remember the Kanji school and still passed the N2, I don't think DJT proposes methods worse than RtK

>>143057397
too hard to animate
and i wish JAV girls would discover the razor, bush hides the prize

>>143051464
What site is this, is it the realkana equivalent for hangul?

>>143057397
JAV girls are old sluts, 2D girls are for the most part young and pure.

>>143057690
Yes. A Jap employer will always choose a Brit over an American.

>>143057764
The censor does that anyway

>>143057550
s boring as hell here now

I just check this thread a couples times a day out of habit

>>143057690
Only if you're really posh and speak with a perfect Standard English dialect (bonus if you're a blond loli ojousama).

Average britbong would just scare the nips away.

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>>143057446
DJT has become the number one barrier to my studying. I waste so much time here that I could be spending reading or something, but I can't stop coming back.

>>143057904
Most Brits who speak Japanese have a clear English voice anyway.
Americans have "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" annoying and loud English accents and try too hard to sound like their animus when speaking Japanese.

>>143057904
Ah, that sucks. I'm a northerner so I just sound like scum.

>>143057883
I've dropped down to once a week, threads are pretty pointless now.

Speaking about accents, how well do you guys sound in Japanese?

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おはよう。 皆ってきつい勉強してるのか...糞カキコってだめだよ

>>143052023
Where to get new game! volumes

>>143058187
I sound pretty good to myself at least, I always read aloud whatever I'm reading anything because I love how it sounds, I've never recorded my voice though so fuck knows, I probably sound pretty cringy

How good do I have to be so DJT becomes pointless enough that I won't keep coming back and go read something instead?
I want to get off this ride

>spending time on djt even though you dont want to
youre better than this anon, just close the tab bro

>>143058267
melonbooks/toranoana/cdjapan/amazonjp/any of the other online stores for manga/anime goods

How long will it actually take for me to learn hiragana and katakana?
How soon can I read Yotsuba and start learning kanji?

>>143058512
3 days

>>143058531
Wow, that's fast!
How long will it take to learn 2500+ kanji tho

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Is the 繚蘭会寮 a typo? After all it's the school's dorm, not the 繚蘭会's dorm.

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>>143058512
Years

>>143058512
Don't set time limits for yourself, people get a big boner over having a "who can learn kana the fastest" contest, but speed is completely irrelevant, you just do it at a pace you think is best for you

Treating learning Japanese like it's a race only ever ends badly

>>143058512
Hiragana are just like 25 symbols you gotta memorize dude. You can do that on a single afternoon.

>>143058187
I sound like a faggot. It's kinda annoying, I always thought speaking Japanese would be the easiest thing in the world since there's no difficult pronunciations, but when I finally worked up the guts to try speaking to a nip on skype, I felt like a total fucking retard.

>>143058558
You won't learn anything until you stop asking questions and start studying

>>143058575
I didn't play the game, but dorms often have names.

>>143058296
How much do you need to know about anime before you stop coming to /a/ to discuss it?

>>143058614
>you won't learn anything from asking DJT questions
good point

>>143058512
Like 3 hours for the kanas
Like 3 days for getting started with yotsubato, heavily relying on a dictionary though

>>143058575
It is the 繚蘭会's dorm. There are multiple dorms.

>>143058602
Some people like comparing their performance to others and derive motivation from it.

>>143058512
>How long will it actually take for me to learn hiragana and katakana?
Somewhere in the region of a few days to a week. Depends how much time you devote to it and how good your memory is.

>How soon can I read Yotsuba
When you've finished a grammar guide.

>and start learning kanji
As soon as you've learned hiragana and katakana.

>>143058558
>How long will it take to learn 2500+ kanji tho
Again, depends how much time you devote to it and how good your memory is. Learning the Jouyou list will take you somewhere in the region of 3 to 4 months at a good pace (~20 a day).

>>143058668
/a/ isn't about getting started to watching anime though
Actually I'm not so sure about this anymore

>>143058733
>>143058663
Huh alright

>>143058744
Motivation is a meme anyway. It's better to build a routine than try to get motivated to do something.

>>143050249
>you know, just swap out your browser/OS font for the Japanese one
how

>>143058813
Well that's one way to look at motivation. Some people also call stuff like wanting to become a professional translator their motivation, and that would be long term motivation.
Nothing wrong with building both a routine and motivating yourself along the line.

>>143048452
Absolute whore.

>>143058744
That's all well and good until you think you're doing slower than everyone else and get demotivated by it

>>143058744
Some people don't know their own limits and burn out trying to go faster than everyone advises them to/trying to show off.

So... When do you use なぃ and when do you use 無い? There was an example in Anki, but in that sentence, I'd normally use なぃ (I think it was in the context of 何もない which is pretty weird as I've never seen it written with 無い anywhere else.)

>>143058744
That's a really shitty source of motivation, since you'll just end up focusing on your innate ability rather than the actual work you put in. If you're worse than /djt/ (surprisingly likely, since there's a lot of people here and the people who do best are most likely to brag), your motivation will go down the shitter. But even if you're the best, building your motivation on it will just be a detriment, as you'll unconsciously avoid all the inevitable obstacles that make you feel like an idiot.

>>143058882
It's too common for people to rely on motivation to get things done and blame the lack of it when they don't. This is only ok for creative works like drawing or composing and even for those you need a routine, but for things like studying or working out motivation is just an excuse for being lazy when you feel like it

>>143059137
>When do you use なぃ and when do you use 無い?
Whenever you want.

i finished the first 2000 cards of core 6k, should i just delete it and mine shit now?

>>143059254
Why would you delete it? Just mine into that deck.
If you don't keep doing the reps you will forget them.

>>143059137
Anki also shows you the kanji for いい but you'll find that いい is much more used instead

Does Japanese have aspiration for /p/ /t/ /k/? Is it weak or strong?

>>143059254
I kept mine because /djt/ told me to, but I have no clue why I bothered. Reviewing core vocabulary is such a fucking chore compared to mined decks due to have shittily the cards are set up.

>>143059233
>>143059307
OK, thanks. It was my hypothesis as well, but I just wanted to make sure.

>>143059326
I think they just use them whenever they want instead of aspiring for them.

>>143059187
I get where you're coming from, but still, if you could choose between having a disciplined routine or having a disciplined routine and also being motivated then the latter would be preferable, wouldn't it?
There's no reason not to seek things that motivate you further as long as you're aware of the importance of discipline, in my opinion.

>>143059254
Don't delete it, that'd fuck over your young cards. You could go down to 10 or even 0 new cards, that's what I did for some time.

which key do i press with rikaisama to import an alternate definition?

>>143059444
Hover over it, press U, hover over the kana of the meaning you want, press R, press U again.
Do NOT move your mouse off the stickied window, that'll fuck rikai up.

>>143059386
Of course, as long as you don't think of it as a prerequisite it's all the better

>>143059386
With a really good routine, you won't even stop to think whether you're motivated enough to study, you just do it. And when you do it, the sense of constant productivity and progress becomes a source of motivation.

I'll take that over some fickle motivation any day.

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>>143059254
core are your parents and you're just gonna delete them?　酷いな..

>>143059344
>Reviewing core vocabulary is such a fucking chore
あんたって日本語って覚えたいでしょ

>>143059500
Holy shit, thank you. When I asked /djt/ about this ages ago, I was told it wasn't even possible.

>>143059651
Well until recently no one did seem to know how it worked I think. At least I also asked it a couple times and no one knew then.

>>143059640
found the guy who said he uses って for everything

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>>143059762
I LIKE IT AND ITS FUN. FUCK YOU

>>143057904
How do I acquire this accent, /a/?

>>143059500
>Do NOT move your mouse off the stickied window, that'll fuck rikai up.
I can move my mouse anywhere on the screen and there's seemingly no problem. I can even minimise Firefox, switch to other windows, etc. and nothing breaks.

t. linux

>>143059254
don't delete it and just lower the cards you get

>>143059848
>t. linux
stop this

>>143059845
Don't pronounce like half the letters in any given word.

>>143059972
No.

t. t. continuer

>>143059995
w/e I'll filter you

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>>143050214
>Hurry up
>焦んな

>>143059848
Well what happens for me and what I've seen other anons talk about is that rikai stops showing its window and you have to restart your browser to get it back. Firefox on Windows here.

You can also dick around with turning it on and off, pressing A to get it right under your mouse and then pressing U to get it back to normal, but yeah, pain in the ass.

>>143059845
Just try to imitate the queen.

Can you put J-CAT on your resume/cv

post dank memes

anon core 5k

>>143060899
jlpt anything

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>>143060899
learning hiragana and kanji before katakana 笑

>>143060899
studying japanese

>>143060899
namasensei

>>143060899
claiming you learn japanese through reading native material while the native material is literally masturbation content for underaged japanese kids

So I downloaded the Core 2k/6k deck but the cards seem to be out of order and I was wondering if there was a way to fix that?

>>143061421
make sure you don't have it set to random order

if it's still out of order download anonymous core 5k instead

>>143061367
Jokes on you. I'm reading a eroge set in Japans political world. Hopefully I won't get an Anki boner reading news about politics after I'm done though

Do you listen to music while studying? If so, what is it?

Someone submit an edict definition for 暗記勃起

>>143061715
>Do you listen to music while studying?
No
>If so, what is it?
N/A

>>143061604
name?

>>143061786
https://vndb.org/v10809

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>>143061829
I fucking love politics!

>>143061891
Yea, it's pretty hot

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>heisig

>>143048927
Sometimes when reading I've had to look up something several times because I keep forgetting what it means. I use the DoJG deck in Cloze mode and it has improved my memory of grammar.

If I had a complaint it would be that some of the cards are missing the scanned image of the page (and instead have a poorly transcribed / OCR'd version).

>>143061715
I always listen to music and it's usually pretty unrelated to anything Japanese because their music is shit-tier. At the moment, I'm listening to this while reviewing my kanji:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0wefeg3HU

>>143061715
anime songs

>>143059307
>Anki also shows you the kanji for いい but you'll find that いい is much more used instead
Although one has to keep in mind that it might be read よい in that case.

Do you guys think I can be good enough at Japanese before the Dies Irae anime comes out in 2017? I so badly want to watch it while it's airing, but I don't want to ruin the VN with it...

>>143062137
Well how good are you at the moment?

>>143062137
No

I can't wait for the anime so that the EOP-graduation community will finally stop circlejerking over DI

>>143062262
2 and a half months in. 1700 core vocab, TK finished and read about 15 hours of ~compelling~ content with middling comprehension. I also have a lot of experience watching anime, albeit subbed.

What is the verdict doc?

>>143062018
*scanned image of the "Notes" page
(The transcription of the key sentences has been fine thus far.)

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>>143061987
>mnemonics
Real men study by rote.

>>143062355
Probably average. Sadly being average is going to be too slow.
If you had finished FH or a similar VN by now there'd be hope, but this way, eh.

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>>143062528
そんな。。。

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Can someone provide assistance with understanding those two last 甲 and レイン lines? I find them puzzling in many ways, for example, why does the レイン line end in ~mashite?

Will provide more context below.

Thanks in advance!

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更に向こうへ！

>>143062528
Honestly unless he could read moege without a texthooker a year probably wouldn't be enough to properly read something like DI

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>>143062971
Here are some lines preceding the ones I posted above.

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>>143062995
大丈夫

私が来た！

>>143062137
>Dies Irae
How hard is this even considered?

>>143063181
Meme hard

>>143063181
Mareni > Muramasa > Dies Irae > other visual novels like OreTsuba

Is this usual ranking, I think.

>>143061987
Mnemonics are ridiculous. Tell anyone the ridiculous phrases you use to learn your chinese drawings and you'll sound ridiculous.

Memorize your shit like real men do.

>>143063196
So like muramasa?

>>143062995
プラスウルトラ！

>>143062971
Looks like rain is imitating the 教官 and kou is just saying the 教官 would always say fuck (at the end of sentences)
まして is just お嬢様言葉

>>143063210
Lol no

>>143063210
>other visual novels like oretsuba

I can tell you haven't read Oretsuba

>中華

なんで

>>143063421
The prologue by Jackson is universally considered pretty difficult. Also slang stuff.

>>143060899
rtk

>>143063459
Yeah Oretsuba is at least as meme-hard as muramasa and dies irae. It just hides it pretty well other than the prologue

>>143063214
Mnemonics are objectively more effective than rote memorization. Mnemonics users can easily learn to write 2000 kanji in 2 months while dumb rote apes spend at least a year doing the same.

>>143063554
Who cares if learning like a faggot is more efficient, it's still learning like a faggot.

>>143063292
Okay, thanks!

t. question man

What's the best way to mine words from anime?