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>waiting for years to see True Demons in Fate >they finally

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>waiting for years to see True Demons in Fate
>they finally appear
>they are lewd loli demongirls

Everything went better than expected. Thank you Nasu.

Now it's waiting for Ufotable to animate them.
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Ibaraki is pure!
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What the fuck? When, how, where?
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>>143006390
But the best kind of demon has already been animated.
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>>143006390
That's just a fucking yokai like Tamano
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>>143006390
>She's already best one of the loli T-M never made
The fanbase moves fast. Not that I'm complaining.
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>>143006664

FGO
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>>143006704

No. She's an Oni. Onis are true demons. Her stats agree. Assassin with Hercules physical stats.
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>>143006390
Thank Raita not Nasu.
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>>143006683

I'm not so sure anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XduO1s61HI
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>>143006891
>Ibaraki never
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>>143006962
Oh man, that lazy archaic "warawa wa" speech gives me a boner.
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>>143006390
ufo can have the main F/GO series. Give SL the Shuten spin-off.
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>>143007055

This would be the perfect scenario.
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>>143006979
She has to recover after all the dickings she received as an event boss.
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>>143007107

But onis love dicks.

>If you're interested in me, then come hither. I will welcome you anytime. Ahh, but as you can see I'm an Oni, so if I happen to bite it off, then my apologies~
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>>143007140
What a horny girl.
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>Voiced by Aoi Yuuki
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>>143007164

http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3206286
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>>143007140
Asanagi moves fast.
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>>143007207
>Aoi Yuuki talking about biting dicks with drunken kansai accent
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>>143007137
Ibaraki is not a slut like Shuten. Fuck off.
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>>143007247

She's all over pixiv already.
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>>143007278

They were both kidnapping girls for drunk orgies. She's the same.
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>>143007054
>妾 is concubine
>sweating man.jpg
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>>143007282
Not a surprise, her design is awesome for sexual reasons.
anyone has a torrent link for the game? i'm out of greenies already.
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>>143007055
>SL

No. I don't want them to butcher lolis again.
Prisma Illya wasn't lewd at all.
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>she will never swallow you whole
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>Aoi Yuuki
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>>143007140
>Stat in game: 145cm
>Drawing: 5'10"

What? Does he not know how to convert or something?
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I define semen demon as "somebody who would not be shocked if a penis suddenly intruded on his or her anus".
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>>143006962
I'm still fucking sad I couldn't get her.
Her voice is such a boner inducing that I can cum just from hearing her.
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Is there a way to play this?
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>>143007800
>Shuten is 145cm tall
>Aoi Yuuki is 145cm tall
>almost identical haircut

I wonder what she thinks about entire pixiv fapping furiously to her clone.
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>>143008430
I'm pretty sure she's used to it by now.
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>>143006683
Kuro has some elements of innocence and shyness, so she's an incomplete semen demon. Shuten Douji is pure sex, a true vagina amphisbaena.
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>>143006390
>Aoi Yuuki as a literal semen daemon
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>>143008430
And Symphogear must've helped her with the whole singing too.
http://youtu.be/IIX9aoN7g4o
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Fate is fucking dead.
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>>143007800
its an edit. pretty sure its that manlet meme.
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>>143007800
She is a manlet just like you, you moron
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>>143008652
Grand Order truly is cancer.
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>>143006390
>>143006928
True Demons are explains to be strange alíen lovecraftian things in Extra Material. You are trusting TM wiki idiocy. Onis are just a strange kind of phantasmal beast with demonic traits.
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>>143007833
Onis have anus demons. Why would you want to disturb them?
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>>143007431
For FGO? It's a free mobage senpai.
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>>143008652

Loli semen demons >>>> generic shonenshit heroes
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>>143009279

It was clearly stated that Oni Kind are a type of true demons.
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>>143008652
It's okay, as long as my dick is lively.
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>>143009716
Isn't it only available in Japland though?
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>>143009870
Download the apk from apkpure
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Where doe the fate cannon end and the cancer begin?
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>>143010039

Are you implying that lewd loli sluts are somehow worse than Shirou's plot armor shonenshit adventures?
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>>143006390
Designed by Raita?
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>>143010167
Yeah. Thank god she isn't a cowtits because Raita can't draw cowtits for shit.
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>>143010223
>Thank god she isn't a cowtits
Oni can't be cowtits by default. That's the rules.
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>>143010485
>Oni can't be cowtits by default
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>>143006390
Oni kind and True Demons are not the same.


True Demons don't have physical bodies, and Nasu said that no True Demon has ever appeared. The closest thing to it was Kiara and she failed.
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>>143006683
>what if we took a serious VN
>then, what if we took some random, unimportant side character...
>and then, what if we made her, and all her irrelevant friends lesbians
>prisma illya

a complete insult to the Fate franchise.
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>>143010684
its not a bad thing
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>>143010684
>>unimportant side character.
...Heaven's Feel says hi.
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>>143010608

Good job posting one of the worst and less popular 2hu characters.
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>>143010790
>cooking is important
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>>143010790
>>143010728
>replying
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>>143010863
Thanks for the (you) senpai, have one in return
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>>143010848
You mean it's not?
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>>143010684

Shuten spin-off by Silver Link when?
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>>143010684
It worked for Nanoha.
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>>143010608
She's not cowtits, she's just not flat. ZUN has no cowtits characters. Don't listen to >>143010842 anon, he's a fag.
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>>143010684
>wrong filename
>posting it in a non-Prisma thread

I HATE IT
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>>143010091
>>143009756

>secondaries
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>>143011059
I can already hear the 処女厨 complaining.
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>>143007466
And what makes you think Ufo wouldn't?
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>>143007164
>>143007140
handlebars are great, aren't they?
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>>143006962
>Those moans at 2:10
Holy fucking shit man.
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>>143011791

Somebody should make a compilation.
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>>143006962
I want to have sex with that voice
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She gets two full pages of new are per day on pixiv. Entire kancolle gets 4.
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>>143010848
http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/whats-cooking-at-the-emiya-house-today-r18712
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>>143012416
I hope Japan takes that as a sign that we need less semi-retarded hyper-virginal moeblobs and more sexy women.
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>>143012631
I hope they take that as a sign that Raita should get more work.
I'd love him to do the chara design for a show.
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>>143012805
Raita + CLAMP collab

All the characters are just a pair of pointy boobs floating in space because the rest of them is too impossibly thin to be visible.
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>>143012631

I hope so.
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>>143012416
popularity spikes and then levels off though. kancolle has been going for a long time now.
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>>143006390
>Now it's waiting for Ufotable to animate them.
This. I want to know what's going on in FGO, but I don't want anything to do with that freemium mobile cancer.
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>>143014228
doesn't it have too many characters for an anime adaption? cast bloat does horrible things to shows. just look at nanoha for an example
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>>143014631
Sengoku Collection?
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>>143014341
Based 774
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>>143014341
>>143014806
Now we need another Prisma series after 3rei where they emulate F/GO this time so Illya can install and dress like Shuten.
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>>143006390
Character designs like this are why I know God exists.
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>>143014806
It can't possibly get lewder than this.
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>>143014987
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>>143014987
your lack of imagination is disturbing.

for example one could add the two other girls.
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>>143014987
She could start drinking coffe.
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>>143015269
>boy Shuten

Welp.
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>>143015269
>Oh, Shuten from Ban
>he add his fetish again
BAAAAN!
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>>143015353
Would you let him transfer his mana into you, anon?
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How soon will the doujins come?
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>>143014987
>It can't possibly get lewder than this.
>>143015082
>She could start drinking coffe.

Gween tea?
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>>143014806
Shame he can;t really draw Miyu.
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>>143015418
The moment I realized the art style was Ban's I fucking knew there was going to be a dick tacked on. God damn it.
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>>143006390
>lewd loli demongirls
hell yeah
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>>143014228
Well, for what it's worth, aside from the gacha rates it's a pretty fun mobage and it's easy even if you're f2p. The "stamina" system is a non-issue since they literally throw the golden apples used to refill stamina at you.
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>>143006962
>>143008043
>>143012266
She's Aoi Yuuki, right?
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>>143015720

Soon.
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>>143016595
Yeah, heiki hechara-chan
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>>143006390
>Now it's waiting for Ufotable to animate them.
Thays why we cant have nice things. Instead of F/SF all you want is shitty gacha anime that represent worst thing happened to Nasuverse. This is rediculous. Even F/A is better than F/GO.
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>>143016759

Oh yes, we so need another real deal edgy shonen fightan.
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>>143016855
>edgy
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I wish fate would die already. It was fun at the beginning, but now it's been milked far too much.

Nasu needs to make something new. But he probably won't since nips will eat up anything that has fate slapped on it.
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>>143016855
But anon,it has lolis too.And a midget Amazon Queen.
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>>143016995
Extella was way too much. I really wanted a big crossover so FGO is passable for me at least, even if there is tons of weird stuff. But another extra game is ehhh, I really don't know why they doing this. This games weren't even very good, but Nasu thinks it's his masterpiece.
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>>143016995

If crap like FGO is going to give us ultra lewd lolis I'm fine with it.

Fate was never good in the first place.
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I'm still waiting for Mother Harlot.
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>>143017394
>Nasu thinks it's his masterpiece.
Fate/stay night is his magnum opus, that much is obvious. And he knows it as well.
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>>143017394
Extella actually seems horrible. Why we don't have CC2 game? Look at their Naruto games. Awesome animations and fancervice. Tons of characters. And even pretty good online. It's fit perfectly for Fate. You can just write another F/GO tier magical mambo jambo, make all characters as servants and throw them in battle.
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>>143017624

Recently he started shitting on some decisions they did making FSN. Like joking about how unbelievable Shirou/Saber romance is.
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>>143017706
>>143017394
Fate/Musou has been wanted for a long time now, and it's been talked about before. It's like you're new or something.
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>>143017706
F/GO should've been a CC2 game, but Nasu was too jewish for that.
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>>143017763
Musou games are awful.
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>>143017744
He didn't shit on his decisions. He just said that he could've done a better job at writing Saber/Shirou romance.
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>>143017763
I really wanted a good Fate RPG game, but well, I guess it's better forget about it. They just can't do it.
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>>143017914
Musou is underappreciated. Sure, those games are simplistic and repetitive, but they're still fun. I've had a blast with Samurai Warriors 4 for example.
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>>143017624
Yeah, as an outsider it's easy for people to shit on him for milking it, but I'd honestly do the same if I had a franchise that'd print money this easily.
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>>143014341
>>143014806
>>143015045

This artist gets it, Shuten is perfect for Prisma.

Shame she probably appeared too late to show up in the manga.
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>>143017914
I don't mind them, really enjoyed Hyrule warrior's so I am excited for extella.
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>>143006390

How strong is she?
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>>143006891
Ibaraki-chang sugoi!
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>>143010223
>hating on Selvaria
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>>143017413
I don't think a pedophile is in any position to judge the artistic merits of a critically acclaimed series.
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>>143018428
>Fate
>critically acclaimed
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>>143018303

Top tier.
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>>143018428
Lost your way, tumblr?
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>>143015834
For what I know he only draw Miyu once
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>>143018428
>she has curved body
>she has long legs
>her head is small
>her height
>she has small but developed boobs
>loli
>pedophile
Learn some anatomy. She's not loli
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>>143018428
I don't think a buttblasted normalshitter has any rights to raise his voice against a superior being such as myself.
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>>143015269
>its futa
Why
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>>143018428
What do you think about all the art she's getting? All of them are pedophiles?
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>>143018719
>futa
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>>143017624
Nasu thinks CCC is his masterpiece retard you're getting it wrong, he always talks about imperfect F/SN is.
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>>143018580
Yeah,not the best angle.

Dat Kuro face though.
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>>143018303
>How strong is she?
She has Heracles tier stats, as an assassin. That's a huge nerf for being a servant and then there's another nerf for being assassin.

It should tell you something
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>>143018428

She's the most popular FGO character by far.
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>>143018428
post more lewd loli demons
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>>143018847
Servant drawn by Rustle when?
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>>143018609
How that denial going, bro?
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>>143006390
That's not a True Demon, not even close.

This is a True Demon
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>>143018782
>A in physical stats + stealth

She could win the war in one day.
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>>143009786
Except for how it wasn't, and that's not the case.
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>>143018902

You are thinking of primordial demons.
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>>143006390
Just put this miserable series out of it's misery already
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>>143018902
Isn't that a god thougt? Lust incarnate or some shit
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>>143018782

Not that anon, but so, she is mid to low tier then?
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>>143018953
No, the game and her bio outside of the game both explicitly said True Demon, and explained the nature of True Demons and what they really are.

>True Demon [Circumstances]
>Even in the Extra world, the concept of the demon is treated as the greatest obstacle to mankind.
>If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, the demon is a being of human knowledge and powerlessness.
>It is the reachable but utterly incomprehensible abyss.
>In stay night, the only demons are fakes, and the real deal, the incarnated demon is considered to be unmatchable by human beings.
>(There's only one record of an incarnated demon being dispelled, but that's another story).
>A demon is said to possess the human soul, and it will try to incarnate in the human body, but usually the mind of the human it is growing from is unable to take it and it ends up destroying itself while spreading its power in its surroundings.
>Among these, there are people who of their own doing cease being human and end up being categorized as demons, but this is called demonization so they are not True Demons.
>Whether it's possession or transformation of one's doing, there has yet to be one successful case of a phenomenon that has created a True Demon as of 2030.
>The names demons, demonic incarnation are used but they are no different than higher dimensional beings from a different civilization, different planet.
>After all, they've ceased being "people" in our perceived universe.
>Their nature is close to the evil gods of a certain fictional mythology popular in the 20th century.
>A certain person reborn in the True Route of CCC, despite reaching this region, fell from the seat of God because of a trivial mistake.
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>>143018993
>implying Fate is going anywhere with all the money it makes
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>>143018996
She tried to be a god, but ended up as a demon.

She was still a demon strong enough to rewrite the planet, if the protags hadn't stopped her. It was said she could probably beat anyone, except the one person she picked a fight with.

She could casually send someone to the other side of the universe.
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>>143006390

Is she an "heroical spirit", or just some random demon?
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>>143019085
Shuten Douji, the strongest oni.

She's a famous demon, just like Medusa
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>>143018719
it's a trap you cretin.
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>>143019118
I see, thanks.
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>>143018902
That's not a True Demon.

She failed to become one, Nasu explicitely said so.
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>>143018891
???
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>>143007140
>>143007800
Looks like the "translator" failed at converting.
>145 cm ~ 4'9"
>190 cm ~ 6'3"

So a 1.5-foot difference. Looks plausible IF her height includes the horns. (In which case she's like 4 feet without them.)

>>143008430
But does Shuten's 145 cm include the horns?
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>>143019075
>It was said she could probably beat anyone,
You do know that this is hyperbole right?

>except the one person she picked a fight with.
Well I assume you do.

And she's not a true demon.

You do know that this is hyperbole right?
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>>143019039

It's a translation though. True demon is a term used to describe a couple of beings in Nasuverse. Oni Kind was always called true demons.

What Kiara almost became was a primordial demon. Who in Nasuverse are basically Cthulhu mythos outer gods.
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>>143008425
I see a couple of guides on Google for Android and PC. Haven't had time to try it myself, sadly.

https://mmos.com/editorials/fategrand-order-setup-tutorial
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>>143019416
>>>/vg/fgog
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>>143019416
>consider playing it because Aoi Yuuki loli
>she's limited and her event is over
>you have 1% chance of getting 5 star servants per roll

Literally cancer designed to make idiots waste 1000$ to get a character.
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>>143006962
>Aoi Yuuki voicing that kind of character
I can only get so erect.
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>>143019348
It's a joke.
If you see a skyscraper with a 6' on top and a guy next to it with a 5'11'', that's also a joke.
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>>143019387
Its what Andersen flat out said after she lost; she's a retard who could beat anyone on the planet probably, except Hakuno due to the situation. She was running off too much Sakura power, and Sakura wasn't going to damage Hakuno, so she nerfed herself.

She also made like five other mistakes

Including using Andersen's power to its limits, and he can mostly just give bad ends.
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>>143019348
Why the fuck they're shipping Kintoki with GO servants?
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>>143019412
True Demons are beings born from Gaia, they existed even before humanity had names for them.

The Oni kind are a class of True Demons but they're different in the end.

Kiara tried to become one but she failed, she just underwent demonization
>Among these, there are people who of their own doing cease being human and end up being categorized as demons, but this is called demonization so they are not True Demons.
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>>143019504
Why you cares about other people's money? It's not like they give you them. Grow up
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>>143008652
Yeah. No.
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>>143019598
Read Kintoki's lore
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>>143019618
Yet Kiara is said to have reached the same true level of power and ability as a true demon, as confirmed by the final lines.

Its just a technical issue that she couldn't become one, since she was human originally.
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>>143019598

Because Kintoki is the guy who got her drunk and decapitated her in Nasuverse. She wants his dick since then.
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>>143019552
>Its what Andersen flat out said after she lost
What Andersen says is irrelevant.

She's a failure and even then True Demons are not that big of a deal, they do however mean BAD things to humanity as a whole.

>If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, the demon is a being of human knowledge and powerlessness.

You need to remember that Gods in Nasuverse are spirits born from earth, and you need to remember than Demons are too.
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>>143009870
There is Grand Order general in /vg/ with all necesary links. Even modified apk if grinding isn't your thing and some risk of banning is acceptable for you.
Also, tbis game actually does have a decent story - read translation Pastebins.
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>>143019504
>you have 1% chance of getting 5 star servants per roll

While it's true that getting a 5* is pretty hard, they give you plenty of the currency you use to roll by doing the story and events so even f2pers have a pretty decent chance of getting the exclusive servants.

You can also buy a quartz account for like 3 bucks and those have like 600 quartz which is around 150 rolls.
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>>143019632

What is even the point of playing a shitty game when you won't get the characters you want because either their event ended or their drop rate is insanely low unless you whale?

This shit fails even as a waifu game.
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>>143019704
>Yet Kiara is said to have reached the same true level of power and ability as a true demon, as confirmed by the final lines.
Yes

>Its just a technical issue that she couldn't become one, since she was human originally.
Do you understand what you're saying?

She reached that power but in the end couldn't keep it, she didn't manage to become the same existence as a true demon, therefore she's not as dangerous as one. Her existence itself is weaker than a demons, as in conceptual shit, so even if we assume she has great firepower she's still not the same.
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>>143019728
>You need to remember that Gods in Nasuverse are spirits born from earth, and you need to remember than Demons are too.

That's not what its referring to in that line, you get your lore badly mixed up and create confusion for others.

> 神 - Kami
>(General rendition/imagery of God - probably matches with the Church version - in DDD)
>If God's a phenomenon that's perfect and flawless while omniscient and omnipotent, demons are phenomena that are absurd and nontangible while human and incompetent.
>Back in the old days, demons used to be thought of as messengers of God, but God and demons are completely different; how people are suffering under demons isn't being heard by him.
>Since demons are incompetent, they hang around humans, but God doesn't care about humans. Doesn't care about faith and no interest in how humans have fun or suffer; since of course, he just needs himself. That's what it means to be omniscient and omnipotent.
>So the only thing he has ever had to say to us is "Bug off, don't bother me."
>Which would be the general gist of what Kinoko wanted to say in DDD.

This isn't even a new materials line, its like ten years old.

If god(ie; the real one in the Nasuverse, the perfect one who created everything but also doesn't care about anything due to being perfect) is perfect and needs nothing but himself and wants nothing but himself, then demons are the opposite. Utterly flawed things that need humans.
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>>143006962
I only watch UBW anime and didn't give a shit about the franchise but this has convinced me.
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>>143019798
The gameplay isn't complete garbage and you don't need the exclusive 5* servants to get through the game. There's also tons of servants so there's bound to be at least one you like that isn't exclusive.
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>>143019869
DDD is irrelevant for the rest of Nasuverse so
>you get your lore badly mixed up and create confusion for others.

retard
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>>143019891
Your only chance of getting her if you start to play right now is to buy a reroll account from the nips. Those cost like 5-30 bucks depending on the servants on them.
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>>143019869
DDD is it's own continuity, not canon to things like KnK, Tsukihime and Fate.
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>tfw no one cares about Agonist Disorder
I don't like new meta about True Demons
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>>143018883
>draw a shota
>remove the bulge
>call it a loli
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>>143019598
Look up Kintoki and Shuten douji, they're even drawn by the same artist.
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>>143019869
DDD is not canon, you're the one that should stop mixing lores and making confusion for others, anon.
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>>143019947
>DDD is irrelevant for the rest of Nasuverse so
There is no proofs beause no vol3. Do you read DDD?
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>>143019924
>tfw Babbage is doomed to forever be shit
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>>143019969
OK, fuck this franchise.
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>>143019947
Its not irrelevant at all, and if you take both of those entries together you realize they're talking about things in the same way, and confirming each other.

You even took the blatant line that ties them together in a different direction by taking god to mean divine spirits, when its more a reference to god. Both lines say god is like an artistotle, and perfectly content in itself. While demons are the opposite, flawed and need humans.
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>>143020020
DDD is not related to Nasuverse, and they're a fucking lot more meta in DDD than in nasuverse.

In fact the whole thing is weird as fuck, I love it though but fuck Nasu there's 1(ONE) volume left and the guy won't publish it, almost 10 years now
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>>143006962
Jokes on you I already fapped to this 4 times today.
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>>143019869
>DDD

m8, that's not canon we've known it forever.
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Aren't True/Primordial Demons in the Top 3 of the Nasuverse?Shuten's kiiiiiinda far from that.Planet fucking sounds closer.
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>>143019969

I'm actually tempted to buy one now...
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>>143020253

I'm fapping to this since yesterday.
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>>143020192
>DDD is not related to Nasuverse
There still chance because of, yeah, weird things. Like closed doors that you shouldn't open in mansion. "Reality warping" when Sorrow mindfucked Makina in vol 1. I think you can just throw away everything that Kaie said about "true demons"
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>>143020362

You are talking about Nasu's words from ages ago.

By the CCC definition of True Demons they are beyond Arc and anything that exists on Earth. Onis are not godlike primordial demons, but they are still top tier as far as Earth is concerned.
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>>143020390
So do it? If you want her and have some spare bucks I don't see why not.

I was sad I didn't get her during the event but I wasn't going to throw the account I've had since the game released just because of one servant. And I didn't feel like playing with multiple accounts either.
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>>143020529
At least Solomon classified his mutts properly.
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>>143020529
>but they are still top tier as far as Earth is concerned.

This is where it becomes fanon

An oni bumped up far beyond her ability in life according to the event, was dragon tier.

Dragons are the top tier monsters
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>>143020362
>Top 3
If you count Ultimate Ones all together I guess that you can fit true demons along with divine spirits after divine dragons.
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>>143020654
Demon gods? They're beyond servants at least, its hard to see how high they are on the charts normally. It takes servants grouping up to have much of a chance.

>>143020663
Also she was the second strongest oni ever

So if someone thinks that the average oni is world tier or some shit, no way.
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>>143020529
Nice headcanon you have there buddy.
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>>143020666
I think Nasu used some BS semantics to avoid listing the Ultimate Ones in the ranking,or at least ORT.I think he said something among the lines of "active characters" or something.
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>>143020456
>implying I am not
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Is anyone getting this? https://www.amazon.co.jp/MELTY-BLOOD-%E8%B7%AF%E5%9C%B0%E8%A3%8F%E3%83%8A%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A2-1-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%89%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AF%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A8%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9/dp/4041045347/

I'm starved for anything Tsukihime at this point.
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>>143020759
He said "Only characters that have actually appeared for real" and "Not including servants".

Notes technically isn't an official story yet, even though we all know its status as a thing. Nasu probably wants to eventually revamp it and release it for real as a true thing, once he has the money to do it right.
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>>143020663

Dragons in nasuverse are literally the most powerful monsters ever. To the point they are far beyond servants.
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>>143020892
So he probably considered the CCC event as a true/primordial/whatever demon?Cause those are rather shy too,going by OP's topic.
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>>143020759
He did mention Arcueid though so every other UO should be there too.

The thing is that UOs are broken, for the most known example.. Arc can't be beaten on Earth but the thing is that she can reality warp anywhere to be earth because she literally is earth.

ORT is said to be perfect against humans, but it's never said it's the strongest UO or anything like that. So other UOs might beat it.

These creatures are just beyond humanity and common sense doesn't really apply to them, they just pull "I win" cards out their asses
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Since we are talking about GO, I could do with adding more to my friend list. 086,172,959
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>>143020970
>Cause those are rather shy too
Like a lot of things in the nasuverse.
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>>143021003
>So other UOs might beat it.
If use Notes as canon story there is already UO who can beat him. They're literally like "planet destroyers". As I remember Jupiter is black fuckin hole
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>>143020970
A true True Demon has barely ever been confirmed on Earth, and only one has been exorcised before. Although they have tried to incarnate before, it usually fizzles out badly before it happens. Kiara reached the level of a true demon, but ultimately was a slightly different thing, however she was as close as you could get to a manifested true demon.

A true demon might be something like a system on their own.

Onis are way lower in terms of power and scale, but apparently are a subset of them.
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>>143021003
>He did mention Arcueid though so every other UO should be there too.

This logic is broken

Arcuied has appeared in a story before, called Tsukihime. Other UO's have not appeared in official stories yet. Arcuied wasn't in Notes. Just because he counted the one that appeared officially, doesn't mean he was supposed to count them all considering he said he only counted things that appeared.

Notes is a real thing, but he hasn't officially counted it within verse yet. He probably wants to work it again before adding it.
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>>143021003
The whole "lacks Earth's concept of Death" thing should've gone both ways desu.Would be scarier that way.

They can turn you into paste,but it wouldn't kill you.
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>>143021200

It has a lot to do with translations of japanese terms. True Demon is a broad category including a lot of things. The super ultra broken demon gods that Kiara almost was are usually translated as primordial demons.

Anyways, onis are also strong as fuck.
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>>143021167
Like I said, ORT is just said to be OCdonut against humanity, it's not said other UOs won't kick it's ass if they want to.
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>>143021167
黒いアリストテレス [type:jupiter] kuroi aristoteles
The Black Aristoteles
An Aristoteles that appeared in the western continent.
A black giant several dozen kilometers in size. Its form was pretty close to a human.
It was actually a group of black photon gas, and theoretically its size can expand infinitely. It carries a unknown core in its center that can only be described as an artificial sun, and the gases are emitted from this object.
Of the 8 Aristoteles, it eliminated the most living things. The western continent went on an all out battle, and it wiped them out without a scar. ... Although there's probably no such thing as a scar to this Aristoteles.
After this incident, a team of Knights were sent to the western continent. After a fierce battle, it was sliced into half by the demonic sword of Knight Edem, the Slash Emperor. The chopped artificial sun went berserk and burned the whole western continent.
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>>143021353

Is ORT even more effective at killing humans than Primate Murder?

Nasu's powerlevels are a mess.
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>>143021380
Ado Edem is GOAT though, he's THAT guy
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>>143021472
Ado Edem servant when?
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>>143021416
I think that's because he's an Ultimate One.No conceptual stuff.

Also,Primate Murder must be THE shyest Nasuverse character.And his mistress,but she's probably an Arcface.
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>>143006390
>>143006891
>>143006979
>>143006962
>>143007140
>>143007164
>>143010608
>>143015269
>>143017413
>>143018883
FUCKING DEMONS GET THE FUCK OUT REEEEEEEEEE

I WILL SLAY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU SHITS
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>>143021416
Manjew says in HA that even if he's great at killing humans he won't ever reach the spider(ORT) or the dog(PM).
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>>143021472
There is some line about this in HA. As I remember Avenger said to Bazett that he's good for killing humans, but not so good as "dog and spider". He name himself as number 3. Someone probably save screenshot of dialogue
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Is Primate Murder a dog because monkeys and dogs hate each other?

>literally my mother's dog
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>>143021511
Never. Ether Liners come to be after Gaia's death. The planet can't exactly use a hero's soul if the planet is already dead. He could probably exist in the Moon Cell, but I'd call that a long shot.
It'd be nice though if Ado Edem somehow were Grand Saber though (even if he's another Seiba clone).
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>>143006390
Shuten is NOT a True Demon you damn retard
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>>143021557
Fuck off Shiki
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>>143010684
It's still miles better than anything Fate/Bloated Roster will ever produce.
Five years ago if you told me I'd be defending Prisma Illya I'd deck you in the face, but then again five years ago if you told me Kiritsugu Servant was a thing I'd tell you to fuck off back to ff.net.
Fuck Nasu and fuck anyone who still defends that garbage.
>Marie Antoinette
>The Count of Montechristo
>the fucking GUY WHO WROTE Count of Montechristo
>Attila as an anorexic brown chick with a motherfucking multicolor pensword
>Everything about Chevalier D'Eon
>Meanwhile most actual legendary figures from various mythologies remain absent

Fuck GO and fuck whoever unironically defends it.
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>>143021752
>Ado Edem is a Saberface
Somehow I can see that
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Shuten isn't a True Demon but she still is a full-blooded Oni, which we haven't seen before now despite Oni being introduced way back in Tsukihime.
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>>143021936
Kouma is still cooler.
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>Ado Edem for F/GO
More like V/V
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>>143021936
We've seen four full oni to date so far

Shuten Douji the strongest oni, Ibaraki Douji the king of oni on some mountain, Takemaru, and Ootakemaru

Also technically Suzaku Gozen
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>>143022042
Still waiting for the Carnival Phantasm collab.
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>>143021877
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>>143021546

Nasu implied in recent interview that they may appear in FGO.
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>>143022060
>Ibaraki Douji the king of oni on some mountain
Ibaraki was Shuten's lieutenant. Ibaraki's own event in FGO made a big deal at the end that even with Grail backup she's still weaker than Shuten because, ultimately, she's afraid of Shuten and not willing to do whatever it takes to surpass her.

And of course, they were introduced together.

When did the other two show up?
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>>143021646
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>>143021842
>Among this category there are the True Demons (真性悪魔, Shinsei Akuma?) who are born from nature, such as the Oni Kind, and those imaginary Demons born later in response to the desires of humans, from the Sixth Imaginary Element (第六架空要素, Dai Roku Kakū Yōso?). For the magi both of these types are, in practice, treated as one and the same.
>The Oni Kind (鬼種, Oni Shu?) are True Demons born from nature that are symbolized by inferno and scorching heat.
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>>143021996
Not him but agreed, I love Kouma. The whole thing about him living in the woods punching bears and trees, every now and then coming down to fight something. Also his past with Kiri Nanaya is great.

The first part of him reminds me of Akuma from SF.
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>>143022180
True Demons are humanty ending, supremely powerful beings, Oni's are WAY lower in the scale, might be related as the guy above said, but are not True(Primordial) Demons
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>>143006390
>>>/v/
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>>143022268

True Demons are all real demons. Primordial Demons are the ultimate true demons that never appeared on Earth so far.
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>>143021546

God, I'll be so fucking disappointed if Altrouge is a Arcface. Or even worse Saberface.
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>>143008652
And it's attracted more corpsefuckers than ever. Truly ironic.
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>>143008652
I get the feeling people who say shit like this forget that Saber is technically a loli.
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>>143022393
>Altrouge is a Arcface. Or even worse Saberface.
She will be Saber vampire goth rori
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>>143022452
>15 year old body
>loli
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>>143022393
>Saberface

Here we go again with this meme.
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>>143022507
She's extremely underdeveloped for a 15 year old.
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Not enough semen demons in this thread
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>>143020021
thats just like your opinion man
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>>143022556
Just because she has no tits it doesn't mean she's a loli.
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>>143022554
What meme?
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>>143022393
>Arcface
>Saberface
>implying that there is a difference
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>>143021874
I want more translated chapters. This is gold
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>>143006390
> Same hair as Aoi
> Same height as Aoi
> Roughly the same body type as Aoi
They did it on purpose, didn't they.
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>>143022141
>Ibaraki was Shuten's lieutenant. Ibaraki's own event in FGO made a big deal at the end that even with Grail backup she's still weaker than Shuten because, ultimately, she's afraid of Shuten and not willing to do whatever it takes to surpass her.

The event said that Ibaraki was the boss of the mountain, while Shuten was just a casual passerby on occasion who Ibaraki respected deeply. The difference between them is that Shuten had a true oni's feeling about her, while Ibaraki was half-hearted at times. Despite that their rank was roughly the same.

>He kinda dodges the issue and Mashu asks them about their rank. He explains that Ibaraki was the boss of mount Oe, while Shuten lazed around like a freeloader, but that Ibaraki regarded Shuten as her superior even though their rank as Oni was more or less the same. He says he kinda gets Ibaraki’s feelings, because although Shuten is largely an evil coward, she can be unexpectedly loyal and generous at times.
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>>143022613
She's barely 5 feet and can pass for a young boy. She's a loli.
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>>143022141
>>When did the other two show up?

Foxtail is pretty behind on translations, but it has a lot of oni lore.
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>>143022619
>Muh saberface.


If we start calling characters by their face then Rin, Sakura, Rider, Shiki, Shiki, Shirou, Gudao/ko, Arthur, Ciel, Saber, Arcueid and the moon people from Tsuki no Sango have all the same face.

Then Kotomine, Araya, Nero and all those fuckers have the same face

Not to forget Gilgamesh, Roa, Archer, Cu, Sasaki and more.
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>>143022748
References and silhouettes don't count as "showing up."
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>>143022470

Either way it's a spoiled, bratty, high and mighty loli vampire bitch with insane power.

What could go wrong? They are always the best characters.
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>>143022773
Takeuchi is a bad artist, more news at 11.
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>>143022776
Its not so much a reference, as much as them going through her servant history entirely, while trying to leave it vague for some reason.
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>>143022661

Obviously. And it worked.
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>>143022807
Kiritsugu is literally Gun God
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>>143020956
There's multiple Servants that are listed as Dragonslayers, though (St. George and Siegfried, off the top of my head).
They can't be that far beyond Servants, even taking good/bad compatibilities into account.
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>>143022773
Arturia, Mordred, Nero, Jeanne and all their versions have canonically the same face, though. F/GO even has a special attribute for them and it's called "Artoria face". It's not just a meme.
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Also showed up again here
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>>143022941
There are different kinds of dragons you retard.
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>>143022941

And those servants were still said to be far weaker than dragons, they killed dragons because they were heroes destined to do so.
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>>143020956
Eastern Dragons (basically flying snakes with beards) are Divine Beasts, above Servant level

Western Dragons (giant lizards with wings) are of the Phantasmal Race, lower than Servant level
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>>143022944
>Artoria face

http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/servant_profile.php?servant=002

Holy fuck, it's true.
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>>143022807
Sameface =/= bad artist
This guy actually made it. He's pure self taught
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>>143022988
>>143022990

They're the strongest of Divine Beasts (like Medusa's Pegasus). That's all we know about Dragons, as far as I know.
If you have a better source, cite it.
If you have a better source
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>>143022393
Since she's related to Arc, I'd be surprised if they DIDN'T look similar.
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>>143022941
First of all there are different kinds of dragons.

Second, the heroic spirits that killed Dragons were weaker than the dragons. Also stop saying servants because those guys were 10 times stronger when they accomplished that in life.

And third, read GoA where Gawain creams himself talking about how dragons are unreachable creatures and how despite being much weaker heroes can do it because it's their Fate and because they're not alone.

It's just how Perseus will always kill Medusa no matter what.
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shiki can kill demonic servants. discuss.
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>>143023045
>>143022944
>Traits
>Artoria Face
Is this real or just wiki joke?
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>>143022941

Dragonslayer Servants aren't actually superior to dragons, they're just experienced hunters that know how to fight something that outclasses them in every regard, and usually have NPs that are specifically strong against dragons (Balmung, George's sword).

Most high tier phantasmal beasts like dragons, hydras, pegasi, etc. are things that are far beyond any Servant in stats etc. just like gods are. Noble Phantasms tend to be the only thing that can tip the odds in the favor of Servants.
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>>143023025
>Eastern Dragons (basically flying snakes with beards) are Divine Beasts, above Servant level

Kiyo turns into one because she got angry. Weak.
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>>143022944
>Arturia and her literal clone
Really.

And that has been known since Fate/Zero though.

Do you forget Gilles confusing Saber with Jannu?

But people call everything a Saberface nowadays, those(and Okita because she's a joke) are the only ones with a similar face. Go check Medusa or Rin and see how they have the same face as Saber.
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>>143023171
Tohno is irrelevant trash.
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>>143023185
Never said they're superior, though, just that dragons aren't that far above them in terms of pure power. Enough for good/bad compatibility (i.e. Dragonslaying Noble Phantasms) to make a difference.
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>>143006683
Semen is more visible on brown skin
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>>143023059
>>143023228
Shiki has killed dragons

Shiki>Servants
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>>143023184
It's real. Lancelot, Mordred and a bunch of other character are 'strong against Artoria face' or tend to attack them first.
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>>143023171

He wouldn't be able to lift a finger before Shuten would rip his head off and shove it up his ass.
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>>143022661
Somebody had to get a lot of lust for Aoi out of their system, apparently. Not that I blame him.
>Roughly the same body type as Aoi
Aoi's breasts are bigger.
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>>143023312
But Shiki has demon hunter blood so he will get stat boost.
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>>143023254
>just that dragons aren't that far above them in terms of pure power
Except they are, and most of them are not even the good kind of dragon, they're like "pretty strong" at best.

The heroes that killed Dragons were much weaker than them, but they were destined to do so. Perseus was really weak, he was just a normal guy yet he managed to kill Medusa.
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>>143008625
Not bad, although autotune might be helping.

That video looks like it'd be good Japanese reading practice if I knew more kanji.

>>143018902
..."Heaven's Whore"?
>Heaven's Hole
T-That's kind of close.
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>>143022988
>this mad about powerlevels in poorly defined contexts
why do you fags exist? why aren't you yelling at a br over DB-Super?
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>>143023312
The Nanaya were hunting fuckers like Shuten back in the day.
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>>143023184
Google "Mysterious Heroine X".
>Monologue when summoned: "Code Name: Heroine X. I am a Servant summoned to deal with the recent problem of the ever-increasing number of Sabers appearing."
Nasu knows what's up.
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>>143023402
They must have sucked because she's still alive and getting into drunk orgies with Ibaraki.
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>>143023352

>Perseus was a normal guy

No, you colossal retard, he's still a son of Zeus. He was chosen by the gods to slay Medusa because he was the only one capable of doing it in that era, which was long before even Heracles was born. Yes, he needed five Noble Phantasms from the gods in order to succeed, but he is still the one who fought that battle, not the gods.
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>>143023134
I still haven't found the full full translation of the GoA fight, just the sorta summary version which gets all the main points.

I could swear I've seen the full version around somewhere.
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>>143023421
She's alien Artoria who fights against the disease called as Saberface in the Servant Planet. A wicked scheme by Cosmo Emperor Gilgames.
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Hasn't Solomon the power to summon a bunch of Shuten tier demons?
Her powerlevel is laughable.
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>>143023402

They only ever hunted weak-ass jokes that couldn't even be called true demons anymore, like the Tohnos. Shuten, Ibaraki, etc. and all the greatest demons of Japan were killed by actual heroes like Kintoki who himself is far beyond the demon-hunting clans of modern Japan.
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>>143023215
You said Saberface was a meme, and I gave you a subset of character which have canon Saberfaces.

>the only ones with a similar face
When you include all their lily/alter/whatever versions, it's starting to make quite big number.
And I've never seen anyone calling Medusa or Rin a Saberface. At worst they're called "Takeuchi face" or something because yes, Takeuchi in his current artstyle puts the same face on every character.
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>>143023504
Solomon has the same powerlevel as 9 tailed Tamamo. Solomon's power comes from the ring some divine spirit chucklefuck gave him, divine spirits are shit.

He's the laughable one mate.
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>>143023504

Each of Solomon's Demon Gods is way beyond Shuten. Ibaraki herself was only the raid boss of the event because she was being boosted by the power of an entire grail making Shuten's wish (to be rescued by Kintoki) come true via turning Ibaraki into a world-tier threat and having her take Shuten hostage.
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>>143023589
How the fuck can solomon be in a grand class they are designed to protect humanity and he wants to eradicate humanity, hell his noble phantasm is anti-humanity
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Pls no bully
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>>143023641
Earth is a dick towards humanity.
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>>143023542
Ibaraki reached dragon level

Ibaraki>Shuten

Shiki killed dragons

Shiki>Ibaraki>Shuten
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>>143023467

And his enemy was still far stronger than he was, he won because he was a hero destined to win.
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>>143023655
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>>143023504
>she's weaker than a grand servant so she's laughable

So 99.99% of Fate characters are laughable.
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>>143023641
Solomon isn't acting as a factor of the counter force, he's doing this of his own free will.
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>>143023589

That's just his raw powerlevel excluding things like his Noble Phantasms. He's so good at magecraft that he can go toe-to-toe with Nine Tail Tamamo, who is so powerful that she can warp from the Andromeda galaxy back to the Earth's moon instantly.

His rings are what makes him unbeatable by any magus, because he can cancel and take control of any and all magecraft by divine providence.

>Christian God
>the manifestation of perfection itself as explained by Karna in CCC
>existed before the universe and will exist after it
>divine spirit

End this meme
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>>143023756
he is just a dick?
Isn't he the king of wisdom?
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>>143023780
>Nine Tail Tamamo, who is so powerful that she can warp from the Andromeda galaxy back to the Earth's moon instantly
Wasn't it not instant, but she just stopped time and went the whole way at "normal speed" (subjectively)?
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>>143023707

>Shiki kills a weak modern dragon with Arc doing all the actual fighting
>this is supposed to be impressive
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>>143023780
The christian god is a divine spirit. What Karna says matters little, he also says his spear is the hottest shit and supposed to one-shot everything but it has never killed anything.

The christian god is just another god, fuck off retard.
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>>143023791
Current running belief is that he is Gilgamesh taken to the extreme.
Whereas Gil saw a huge waste of humanity and wanted to cause a calamity and see if anyone worthy of surviving would come out, Solomon sees a huge waste of humanity and instantly determines nobody is worthy, so it's time to wipe the slate clean and wrap up. Humanity failed the test, it's over, time to do something else.
(Maybe.)
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>>143023709

Well, no, he won because he had all the stats, skill, and tools he needed to counter Gorgon Medusa's powers, survive her attacks, and hold out long enough to find an opening to use his immortal-slaying sword on her.
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Shuten is ugly.
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>>143023845
>>Shiki kills a weak modern dragon
Nero is old as fuck and all his beasts are amped up because they're literally vampire beasts. Simple dogs can tear apart cars without even trying, dogs.


>with Arc doing all the actual fighting
Arc was trapped in the soil of genesis, next time make sure you know what you're talking about.
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>>143023884
>The christian god is just another god
Worthless fanon, Nasu has always danced around the abrahamic god without addressing it directly. If he was, the priests of the Church would be no different from archaic magi, who were granted their abilities by gods. But the Church agents receive their power "externally".
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>>143023884
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>>143023615

His demon gods are just familiars slightly above heroic spirits.
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superior demon. Shuten is too small.
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>>143023971
>Worthless fanon, Nasu has always danced around the abrahamic god without addressing it directly.
No he hasn't, gods are divine spirits and just because you have a boner for your shitty god doesn't make it different from the rest.


>The church
The church in Nasuverse is a literal farce. Ciel is their greatest agent and she's a Grand Master tier magi with an immortal body that was possesed by a vampire.
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>>143024036
Puchimas
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>>143023966

Nero was created long after the Age of Gods, when all Phantasmal Beasts were at their strongest and not hiding away in the other side of the world.

Nero's phantasmal beasts are strong, but they're all low tier on the scales of all their species because they're stragglers that were left behind in the human side of the world.

Shiki just killed them all as they manifested out of Nero, before any of them could even attack - it wouldn't have taken that dragon to kill Shiki in an instant.

And yes, Arc did most of the work in that fight, Shiki fought a Nero who was A) blindsided because he was focused on Arc and B) still regenerating some of his beasts due to Arc killing them
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>>143023845
>Arc doing all the actual fighting
Arcueid got stopped by Nero in like the early stages of the fight in his trap. Shiki had to fight all his own. And from what we've seen in Fate Grand/Order, even those "modern dragons" can kill Servants just as easy as ancient dragons. Nero is also really old.
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>>143024033
>His demon gods are just familiars slightly above heroic spirits.
Which is why they take a squadron of heroes to defeat each, right?
Not to mention they're hardly homogenous, Halphas outright says they're ranked in order the exact order of the Lesser Key of Solomon. This means Demon God Baal is a shitton stronger than Demon God Andromalius.
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>>143024110
But godfag is correct. Divine spirits and the one almighty are different things. But nowhere it is said crsitian god is almighty fag.
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>>143023615
Why are Solomonfags such liars?

Is it because you're all filthy EoP tertiaries that come from /fgog/ and want to wank your shitty OCdonut?

No, his demons are not way beyond shuten in fact they're just around heroic spirit level.


God I fucking hate you faggots so much, wankers.
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>>143024110

>just because you have a boner for your shitty god doesn't make it different from the rest.

Nasu has a boner for that shitty god. Deal with it.

> Ciel is their greatest agent
> we know of about two Burial Agents
> this means one of the two we've seen is the best the Church has to offer!

Hilarious
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>>143024143
>Shiki just killed them all as they manifested out of Nero, before any of them could even attack
Are you an idiot? If you read the fight, Nero was at a distance away from Shiki, which is the point of the entire fight.

Nero was summoning hordes of beasts and they were attacking Shiki and Shiki just kept killing them and kept on walking towards Nero in a menacing manner.

>And yes, Arc did most of the work in that fight, Shiki fought a Nero who was A) blindsided because he was focused on Arc and B) still regenerating some of his beasts due to Arc killing them
Confirmed for not reading Tsukihime at all.
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>>143024036
Chibis?
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>>143024033
No, they're far above heroic spirits

Amaterasu is said to have a power level of 9,000,000 compared to an A rank heroic spirit power level of 100. However its said she could still lose by a few servants grouping up against her. Same as Kingprotea who's a world-breaker, could lose if they grouped up.

Heroic spirits grouping up have an exponential increase in power, they can take down almost anything together.

A servant should never be able to take down a demon god normally.
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>>143024169

>But nowhere it is said crsitian god is almighty fag.

Karna literally says it outright in CCC. How many times does it have to be repeated?
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>>143024036
Bugs.
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>>143024143
>blindsided because he was focused on Arc
Shiki got almost devoured because Nero could not be blindsided at all by him. What the heck did you read? Fanfics?
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>>143024110
>No he hasn't
Yes, he has. Your denial of that is hollow. You can't cite a single source of him mentioning the abrahamic god.

>The church in Nasuverse is a literal farce. Ciel is their greatest agent
This is so unbelievably wrong. The church as a faction is equal to the magus association. Ciel is SEVENTH of the burial agency! Narbareck who has defeated 3 DAAs is certainly more capable.
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BadHanD doujins when?
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>>143024256
He says it in Apocrypha

Everyone in this discussion is confusing things and mixing in fanon at different parts though.
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>>143024241

>Nero was at a distance away from Shiki, which is the point of the entire fight.

Now I know you haven't actually read Tsuki, because Nero approached Shiki specifically so that he could watch Shiki die up close and personal. If Nero had been at a long distance, Shiki wouldn't have been able to close the gap in time to kill him, and Nero would have just fled when he realized what was happening.
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>>143024256
Can you summarize what Karna said?
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>>143024256
>CCC
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>>143006390
>I-it's serious literature with deep existential themes!
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>>143024352
Nero was about to retreat but then his pride said nah no fleeing from human.
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>>143024246
IIRC these chibis have their own name to separate them from the others, but I can't remember it.
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>>143024304

Wrong. Shiki was only almost devoured before Nanaya mode kicked in, and even then he was only being superficially bitten by the beasts Nero had trapped him with to prolong his death. From the time Shiki awakened his demon hunter instincts, to the time Shiki stabbed Nero's point of death, was a matter of seconds at most. Nasu makes a huge deal of the fact that Shiki caught Nero off guard. If it was not that exact situation, Shiki would not have stood a chance against Nero at all.
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>>143024209
She's literally called the ace nigger are you fucking retarded?

She's the only one that can hunt Dead Apostles without support, she's the only one the church allows to use the Seventh Holy Scripture
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>>143024352
> Nero approached Shiki specifically so that he could watch Shiki die up close and personal
NO

Every single fucking thing you said was wrong.

Nero didn't even concentrate on Shiki in the first part of the fight, because he did not consider Shiki worth his time. During this moment, he was lording over Arcueid in the Soil of Genesis, while Shiki was getting eaten up by 50 beasts.

When Shiki kills all 50 beasts in a single barrage, Nero started sending out another 50 beasts to attack Shiki. When Shiki killed them all, only then did Nero consider Shiki a threat.

Then he started sending out his phantasmal beasts which Shiki killed. This all happened at a distance.

The only time Nero approached Shiki was when he charged everything he could get, 500+ lives, then attacked Shiki twice in a speed faster than Arcueid.

In both times, Shiki avoided his attacks and cut and dotted him in the final one.

>so that he could watch Shiki die up close and personal
LEL
FANFIC
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>>143024431
Extra also has its own series of chibis
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>>143024431
You are right. I don't remember it either.

>>143024518
So many chibis.
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>>143024334
The number has nothing to do retard, she's the seventh because she's the newest member.
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>>143024459
>only being superficially bitten by the beasts
>descriptions in the fight included bones crushed, muscles torn, apart from skin being gnawed
Are you serious?

And if it was a matter of seconds at most, how the living fuck was Arcueid able to talk to Nero about Shiki while it was described how Shiki was killing beast after beast, and how the final charge attacks took place from a distance?

> If it was not that exact situation, Shiki would not have stood a chance against Nero at all.
STOP WRITING FANFICTION AND READ THE FUCKING VISUAL NOVEL
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>>143024472

You do know that all Burial Agents are capable of fighting Dead Apostles without support, right? Ciel is only above common Executors. She herself thinks she's only a Burial Agent thanks to her immortality, which means that she's seen what other Burial Agents are capable of and thinks she can't really compare without being literally unkillable.
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>>143024036
Hetare
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>>143023059
CM 3 makes explicit reference in the Q&A of the Colchis Dragon (the one you could summon from Medea's Golden Fleece) "isn't that strong."
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>>143024623
And Narbareck wonders if she's even worth anything without her immortality in 'talk.' short story. Narbareck is clearly stronger.
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So King Arthur lived in around late 400 AD, right? When did Siegfried live? 500 or 600 AD?
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>>143024630
>You do know that all Burial Agents are capable of fighting Dead Apostles without support

Arcueid specifically says that Ciel is the only one that can do so.

>She herself thinks she's only a Burial Agent thanks to her immortality
Taking things out of context is nice isn't it? She says that they allowed her to join because it was useful to the church, stop taking things out of context.

Everything you said is literal fanfiction.
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>>143023308
Pretty sure Mordred targets the "Arthur" trait rather than the "Artoriaface" trait, meaning different versions of Arturia (and probably Proto Arthur when he comes out) but not other clones like Nero or Jeanne.
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>>143024653
Thanks.
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>>143024459
Reading Arcueid Route, there is no moment in that fight where you could say Nero was caught off guard. Nero fought a prolonged fight against Shiki with him seeing Shiki kill a hundred plus beasts while having the shitty leisure time talk with Arcueid while it was happening.
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>>143024596
I like the new chibis that came from Riyo's FGO manga
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>>143023735
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>>143024771
TAKEUCHI SLAYER
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>>143024771
I have Mordred, who lacks the Arthur trait.
Whenever I face another Mordred, she goes directly at my Mordred.
It was very noticeable during the Garden of Order event.
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>>143024782
Shadow familiars need to make more appearances

Need more post-HF Sakura doing things.

She can still make mini ones in Ataraxia, since it was her power that created them in the first place. Angya was just amping up her power and using her as a host.
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>>143024668
That was a dragon?
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>Every single fucking thing you said was wrong.

You sound awfully upset for being so confident that you're right.

> During this moment, he was lording over Arcueid in the Soil of Genesis, while Shiki was getting eaten up by 50 beasts.

At that moment, he was specifically looking at and approaching Shiki because he was bragging about how slowly he would kill him to spite Arc. Go ahead, keep digging yourself in deeper.

>This all happened at a distance.

It did not. Nero was specifically so close that Shiki could bridge the gap between them in an instant if not for all the chaff creatures Nero was sending out at him.

>The only time Nero approached Shiki was when he charged everything he could get, 500+ lives, then attacked Shiki twice in a speed faster than Arcueid.

They were already at point blank range at that point. Shiki had gotten close enough to score the killing blow before Nero freaked out and threw everything he had at him in an attempt to slow him down. Are you basing all this on the manga or something?

>>143024624

>descriptions in the fight included bones crushed, muscles torn, apart from skin being gnawed
>things that didn't actually happen

Shiki was barely even scratched by what the beasts did to him. He's posthuman physically.

>And if it was a matter of seconds at most, how the living fuck was Arcueid able to talk to Nero about Shiki while it was described how Shiki was killing beast after beast, and how the final charge attacks took place from a distance?

This happens all the time in anime and VNs, especially ones that Nasu writes.
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>>143024710
>And Narbareck wonders if she's even worth anything without her immortality
Except that's not what happens, stop talking out your ass.

Ciel is the one that thinks that Narbareck sent her to die, to see if she's worth keeping without her immortality.

Merem Solomon corrects Ciel and tells her that Narbareck likes her so she's just testing her.
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>>143024764

>Arcueid specifically says that Ciel is the only one that can do so.

No she doesn't, she's talking about Burial Agents in general.

>Everything you said is literal fanfiction.

Why are you so upset?
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>>143024891
>Shiki was barely even scratched by what the beasts did to him. He's posthuman physically.
I'm not getting involved in this back and forth, but Shiki was dead on his feet after the beasts flayed him. He was going to bleed out and die before Arcueid merged Nrvnqsr's chaos (which still remained as a big gooey soup of "life") to his flesh.
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>>143024876
Alright, I stand corrected.

Usually the only Saberface I end up fielding against Mordreds is my MHX, because Himitsucalibur's anti-Saberface effect and Galactic Meteor Sword's anti-Saber effect wreck her shit.
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>>143024956

That was because of his anemia that was worsened by him using his MEoDP at full power. He wasn't slowed down in the slightest by the superficial injuries the beasts gave him. Certainly, Shiki wouldn't have been able to fight an opponent as strong as Nero if he had been wounded at all.
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>>143024891
>He's posthuman physically.
He's actually a regression to the olden days when individual humans were a lot more impressive. Centuries worth of inbred eugenics apparently do that to you.
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>>143006390
the horns looks like shit.
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>>143024891
>Shiki was barely even scratched by what the beasts did to him.
Shiki specifically says that he has chunks of meat missing, his muscles torn and that most of his bones are crushed.

Did you miss the part where Arcueid takes Nero's familiars and makes them fuse with Shiki because he was gored around?

>This happens all the time in anime and VNs, especially ones that Nasu writes.

You clearly haven't read the VN so what the fuck do you know about how Nasu writes?
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>>143024891
>At that moment, he was specifically looking at and approaching Shiki because he was bragging about how slowly he would kill him to spite Arc. Go ahead, keep digging yourself in deeper.
Lording over doesn't mean he's not bragging about anything. He was right next to Arcueid.

>It did not.
>They were already at point blank range at that point.
Pic related, Arcueid route, 4th Day. During the 50 beast eatfest on Shiki's body.

>Shiki was barely even scratched by what the beasts did to him. He's posthuman physically.
Dumbass. He was initially gored in the stomach before he got munched on by 50 beasts. That's why Arcueid put a fucking familiar in his body.

>This happens all the time in anime and VNs, especially ones that Nasu writes.
>it all happens in mere seconds
Reread the fucking VN, you smartass.
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>>143025027
>That was because of his anemia that was worsened by him using his MEoDP at full power. He wasn't slowed down in the slightest by the superficial injuries the beasts gave him. Certainly, Shiki wouldn't have been able to fight an opponent as strong as Nero if he had been wounded at all.
READ THE DAMN VN, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
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>>143025027
>That was because of his anemia that was worsened by him using his MEoDP at full power.

First of all
>Anemia
retard

Second
>Arcueid putting familiars in his body because parts were missing are because his MEoDP tired him
Really.
This is some shit tier bait.
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>>143025116

>Shiki specifically says that he has chunks of meat missing, his muscles torn and that most of his bones are crushed.

Yes yes it was very colorful description, but that was all what he thought was happening to him. Shirou has the same flashes of pain described in very similarly exaggerated ways whenever he gets hurt. But if the injuries were at all that bad, he wouldn't have been able to stand, let alone fight and kill Nero.

>Did you miss the part where Arcueid takes Nero's familiars and makes them fuse with Shiki because he was gored around?

He was deteriorating physically due to overusing his MEoDP and his anemia. At best, his injuries were accelerating both of those conditions.

>You clearly haven't read the VN so what the fuck do you know about how Nasu writes?

Here's the thing: I'm not so sure you've read it recently, if you've read it at all. Or you're blending memories of the manga into it, or something.
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>>143025027
His bones were getting smashed, you dumb fanfic writer.
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>>143025294
The problem is it's NOT an exaggeration. Arcueid put familiars to replace the lost chunks of meat and bone that got eaten from his body.

Shiki's dad also tore apart a demon hybrid with his BARE HANDS. With no magecraft reinforcement. And Shiki is far more physically talented than that monster of a father of his.
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>>143025301
Him getting eaten wasn't enough to put him over the limit. It was his scar getting stabbed with a claw that got him Nanaya mode all over the fight.
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>>143025294
>Yes yes it was very colorful description, but that was all what he thought was happening to him.
Except Nero says he's going to eat Shiki slowly, then Shiki describes how he is being eaten slowly, then Arcueid needs to put familiars to regenerate the parts of his body that are missing.

Shirou is irrelevant.

>He was deteriorating physically due to overusing his MEoDP and his anemia. At best, his injuries were accelerating both of those conditions.

Yes i'm sure parts of his body missing were because of his anemia. That's some leprosy tier anemia going on m8

>Here's the thing: I'm not so sure you've read it recently, if you've read it at all. Or you're blending memories of the manga into it, or something.

You can stop already, we can see you read what happens in the wikia.

Next time read the VN
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>>143025373
>Shiki's dad also tore apart a demon hybrid with his BARE HANDS. With no magecraft reinforcement.
Isn't that almost Servant level, albeit Rank E?
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>>143025163

>Pic related,

Shiki's senses were already fading at that point. He only describes Nero as being in the distance because all sounds are distant to him.

>Dumbass. He was initially gored in the stomach before he got munched on by 50 beasts.

Shiki's a tank because he's a Nanaya. Even injuries that would be life-threatening to most people don't even slow him down.

>Reread the fucking VN, you smartass.
>READ THE DAMN VN, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

Not an argument.

>>143025271

>retard

What, you want me to say he's at half his life force due to SHIKI shenanigans? It's functionally anemia and even he calls it that.

>This is some shit tier bait.

I think you are baiting at this point.

>His bones were getting smashed, you dumb fanfic writer.

Colorful description. Again, something that both Shiki and Shirou do repeatedly whenever they're hurt. It probably felt like his bones were breaking, but if they were actually broken and to such an extent, Shiki literally would not have been able to move.
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>>143025294
Shirou has two different sources of healing in FSN (for certain definitions of "healing" anyway). Avalon and UBW.
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>>143025491
A demon hybrid is way above any human anon. And that particular demon hybrid was the boss.
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>>143025373

>And Shiki is far more physically talented than that monster of a father of his.

He's actually not due to not training himself all life long like his father did. Even with MEoDP, Nasu said Shiki could hope to at best match his father at his peak as a demon hunter.
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>>143025579
Any LIVING human. Kouma has been stated in interviews to be Servant-tier.
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>>143025531
This dude is literally grasping at straws, when he doesn't even know the context as to why Nero's voice was distant.

Also, no, all sounds are not distant to Shiki during this scene. He clearly talks about this as he's getting his blood and the beasts' saliva mixed up during the munch party.

Where the fuck are you even getting the confidence to post shit like that?
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>>143025597
Talent =/= current level of ability.
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>>143025604
>Any LIVING human
Why would you talk about dead humans?

I told you that ripping a normal human apart is E rank strenght, probably more.

Ripping apart someone way above human is more, no matter the methods you can't just rip someone apart, less monster.
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>>143025704
>Why would you talk about dead humans?
Because the Fate side of the Nasuverse is ALL ABOUT dead humans.
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>>143025531
>but if they were actually broken and to such an extent, Shiki literally would not have been able to move.
Except if his muscles acted really strong, that they functioned like a cast temporarily.

Tohno Shiki managed to walk out of school while missing ONE LEG after killing Akiha.
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>>143025597
Kouma himself tells Shiki that he's superior in power to Kiri but he's really lacking in skill.

What Nasu says is that in terms of skill Shiki won't surpass Kiri.
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>>143025773
Skill can be learned, power is innate.
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>>143025737
And? You were talking about ripping someone apart being E rank. I told you that a demon hybrid is way above human.

>>143025659
It's called bait.
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>>143025804
I never said otherwise.
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>>143025531

>It probably felt like his bones were breaking, but if they were actually broken and to such an extent, Shiki literally would not have been able to move.

Here's the thing: anatomically speaking, you are 100% correct about this. Shiki just having been stabbed through the gut should have made it impossible for him to walk, because walking requires the use of muscles in the abdomen. Throw in all the other wounds, like muscles being torn and flesh being bitten off, and yes, Shiki should have been paralyzed until Arc healed him. But Nasu probably doesn't know much about anatomy, and the scene was deliberately written to be self-insert wankery to make the reader feel really badass vicariously through Shiki's badassery. Frankly, the same's true of Shiki killing Arc in the first place. It's narratively shitty because we're expected to believe that A) Shiki is a terrible fighter compared to anyone halfway decent at it like Ciel, B) Arc is the strongest being in the planet after Shiki completely ruins her and C) Nero is someone who could have killed Arc ever, and someone who could beat Servants, by that same metric.
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>>143025531
>It did not. Nero was specifically so close that Shiki could bridge the gap between them in an instant if not for all the chaff creatures Nero was sending out at him.
>point blank range
What?
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>>143025879
We later find out that Shiki has an immaculately well-defined body in Ciel Route, even when we know he doesn't train and is anemic in Arcueid Route.

Then we find out that his dad ripped apart a Demon Hybrid with his bare hands in a sidestory gaiden and made Kishima Kouma (dude who can fight equally with Servants with B rank NPs) miss for dozens of swings and almost killed him.

Tohno Shiki is not from a normal human background.
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>>143025879
You're missing the part where Shiki is not a normal human and those wounds are clearly not enough to stop him so what you said is retarded, why are you pretending he's just a normal guy?

And you're acting like Shirou beating Gilgamesh makes more sense than Shiki beating Nero, when both of them happened because of the exact same thing

>Oponent brags
>Starts to get fucked
>Gets scared
>Does dumb things
>Gets fucked


>Nero is someone who could have killed Arc
You're just an idiot.
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>>143008625
Consider the following: Aoi Yuuki was always pretty good at singing. As Hibiki she sings alittle bit off as Hibiki the character isnt a natural singer.
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>>143025772

>Except if his muscles acted really strong, that they functioned like a cast temporarily.

I hope you understand how retarded this sentence is.

Muscles cannot act as casts for bones because bones are what give shape to muscles in the first place.
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>>143026029
Well, Nero could have killed Arcueid in that fight, and the Nero fight, Nero wasn't actually as hard-pressed as Gilgamesh. Nero actually had the time to send out a lot of beasts while still talking to Arcueid at the same time Shiki is fighting.
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>>143026009
>dude who can fight equally with Servants with B rank NPs

Anon, "extremely average NP" is not B rank.
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>>143026069
>Muscles cannot act as casts for bones because bones are what give shape to muscles in the first place.
Yes, because humans can literally rip apart demon hybrids with their bare hands, right?

Oh wait, they can't.

The Nanaya are an extremely different kind of human. Applying normal human physiology to something that can jump in 3 dimensional ceiling runs is fucking retarded.
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>>143026129
Average NP is B rank. Extremely average or Super Average is still average.
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>>143017924
He is just massively insecure in his own work. The Shirou/Saber romance is by far one of the most popular TM pairings and he feels arkward that loads of people love it despite the issues he himself has with it.
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You people do realize that Nasu's canon is a mess and especially his powerlevels are a gigantic mess? You are arguing about shit he probably can't even remember himself.
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>>143026129
Gae Bolg Thrown and Barrier of the Wind King are examples of these "extremely average" NPs.
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>>143026009
>>143026009

>Tohno Shiki is not from a normal human background.

That doesn't really matter, because we know that his body functions identical to a normal human's with the exception of his parameters. Unless he has an entire system of movement that doesn't rely on the skeletal-muscular system to function, he should have been paralyzed with that many bones broken and that many muscles torn out.

>>143026029

>why are you pretending he's just a normal guy?

I'm not. Unless there's some secret side material somewhere that says Nanayas have supernatural ability to move themselves without the use of their muscles and bones, Shiki should have been fucked in that moment.

>And you're acting like Shirou beating Gilgamesh makes more sense than Shiki beating Nero,

Irrelevant, I never said anything about Shirou.

>You're just an idiot.

Is Nero now not the 10th DAA? Was his intention not to kill Arc?
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>>143026175

>Yes, because humans can literally rip apart demon hybrids with their bare hands, right?

They could if their muscles were strong enough. However, the strength of a muscle does not allow it to function without intact bones and muscles in the first place.
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>>143026178

It's not. At best C is average.
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>>143026246
>That doesn't really matter, because we know that his body functions identical to a normal human's with the exception of his parameters. Unless he has an entire system of movement that doesn't rely on the skeletal-muscular system to function, he should have been paralyzed with that many bones broken and that many muscles torn out.
Go to >>143026175

And no, the reason why Shiki even thinks he's a normal human being is because Makihisa brainwashed him to think he's normal. He's not. The shit he's done, no normal human being can do.
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>>143026287
>They could if their muscles were strong enough
But the point is, their muscles aren't strong enough to do so.
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>>143026228

They go from A to E. Higher ranks are insanely rare and only super legendary special snowflake servants get them.

Most servants are in the C-D range.
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>this dumb idiot is literally trying to apply normal human physiology to killing machines that tore apart a demon hybrid with his bare hands UNDER A TABLE SO HE COULDN'T EVEN USE MOMENTUM to do the job

Their greatest killing technique is throwing a knife so fast, it's like a flash of light, then them jumping in one step and getting to the target at the same time the knife gets there.

THAT CANNOT BE DONE BY NORMAL HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY
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point blank range huh?
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>>143026341

But that is irrelevant. Shiki's muscles have never been said to be different in function than those of normal people. The only stated difference is that he's physically stronger than any human in the modern world could become. We've seen humans from the past, as well. Saber, for example, becomes crippled in her hand when just one tendon is sliced in Zero. That's consistent with modern human muscles.

Even if Nanayas had modified anatomy, no design for a muscular and skeletal system would be able to retain functionality in the dire situation Nero put Shiki in. You could rearrange every muscle fiber and bone in the body, but when that much damage is incurred, even if movement is still possible, the coordination required just to walk or swing a weapon would be impossible to achieve due to the motors and frame of the human body simply not being operational anymore.
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You are trying to discuss seriously a franchise where this is an ancient chinese monk.

Think about that for a moment.
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>>143019504
Took me four rolls to get her. I kinda suspect they boosted drops somewhat at event's end. And what other anon said is true, amasing quartz/tickets is easy and fast, considering what kind of game this is.
After a month you can pretty much go full gold with any class combination. Or just use cheat apk and achieve same in a day.
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>>143026537
The Nanaya started their inbreeding around 300 years after Saber's time. And Saber's strength comes from her prana output, not actual physical strength like the Nanaya does, who operate without using magecraft.
Again, they are able to pull off the most weird of shit without any prana output or magecraft reinforcement. Using Saber as an example is retarded because of that simple point.

Saber is weaker than a human if she loses her prana. Without prana, the Nanaya can still do their acrobatic killing techniques, because their muscles and genetic heritage was specifically trained to be able to deal with actual energy using enemies like the Demon Hybrids.
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>>143026711
>Saber is weaker than a human if she loses her prana.
If Saber loses her prana, she just disappears. So yeah.
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>>143026560
E-rank strength Caster
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>>143026560
Weren't priestesses kinda naked during ancient times?
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Shiki can kill servants
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>>143026560
Sanzo?
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I love that her crazy popularity is sending a clear message to Nasu that we need more slutty lolis.
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>ITT people calling a MUTANT human
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>>143026290
>>143026178
Average is C~B

Don't take the minimum or maximum and go "Yeah, this is it exactly". You're purposely underselling or overselling it when you give out either. Nasu said it was both of them, and it was between those two letters when he originally addressed this.

Examples he gave were Barrier of Wind King, and Gae Bolg as both average NPs.
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>>143019798
This is legitimately fun game with cool story. Kinda like Granblue, were devs actually are taking some time to prepare events and such. Also, unless you are dropping all your quartz as soon as you get it, you are bare when cool event comes.
>>143006962
>ignite Bikkie
Oh. My.
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>>143026792
>E-rank strength Caster

Her NP lets her for a moment take in a fraction of Buddha's power, and dish it out.
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>>143026534
Yeah, the guy who said point blank range with Nero was clearly faking it. Nero was talking a shitload of lines at Arcueid, then at Shiki during the entire fight.
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>>143026875
It's happened before, with experienced and confident lolis topping popularity charts. Japan still refused to learn.
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>>143026711

>And Saber's strength comes from her prana output, not actual physical strength like the Nanaya does, who operate without using magecraft. Using Saber as an example is retarded etc.

But Saber's base physical strength doesn't change the fact that her anatomy is identical to that of modern humans as an ancient human. You just said she's older than the Nanaya line. Why would Nanayas have different anatomy than her?

Moreover, how could the tiny differences in anatomy that could have been created through inbreeding the Nanaya line have created someone whose muscles and bones don't need to be intact in order to use their muscles and bones? Your arguments don't make any sense at all.

You don't seem to understand that in Nasuverse, physical ability can be higher without anatomy and physiology being different at all. Achilles is a man who doesn't use Prana Burst to achieve his strength. Yet, his anatomy is consistent with that of modern humans - his heel is the proof of that.
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>>143026884
Well that's not nice coming from a vampire.
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>>143026954
>Also, unless you are dropping all your quartz as soon as you get it, you are bare when cool event comes.
I got fucking lucky on rolling Shuten since she showed up with my last ticket roll from the event. I had honestly already given up hope at that point.
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>>143027064
>Why would Nanayas have different anatomy than her?
Saber was trained to use prana and hence her body is simply human that can use prana to strengthen her.

The Nanaya never had ki, prana, nor magecraft. Ki was the ability of the Demon Hybrids they faced off against. In RDG, it is specifically told that they were raised and trained in order to fight against these energy using hybrids with nothing else except their own physicality.

That is the difference that they have with Saber or other humans.

Also, Achilles is a fucking demigod. AND NO ONE DIES FROM BEING STABBED IN THEIR HEELS. ONLY ACHILLES CAN DIE FROM BEING STABBED IN THAT AREA.
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>>143027064
>Moreover, how could the tiny differences in anatomy that could have been created through inbreeding the Nanaya line have created someone whose muscles and bones don't need to be intact in order to use their muscles and bones? Your arguments don't make any sense at all.
Nanaya started their entire bloodline around the reign of Charlemagne. From late 700s to 1980s, that's more than 1000 years of inbreeding, survival of the fittest, and killing hybrids without resorting to magic of any type.
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>>143027250
>AND NO ONE DIES FROM BEING STABBED IN THEIR HEELS. ONLY ACHILLES CAN DIE FROM BEING STABBED IN THAT AREA.

Achilles confirmed shit
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>>143027009

It's funny considering that the face of the most popular otaku franchise for over a decade is a confident bitchy loli.
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>>143027064
>Yet, his anatomy is consistent with that of modern humans - his heel is the proof of that.
How is automatically dying from being stabbed in your heel "consistent" with modern human anatomy?
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>>143026792
Saint Martha has D-rank Str and she beat the shit out of Tarrasque with her bare hands.

Sanzou probably got nerfed because she's a Caster, while Martha got nerfed because she's trying to hard to be like Jesus than like herself.
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>>143026875
Mochizuki Chiyome is going to be great. I have no doubt that Hiroyama is going to do a good job with her.
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>>143027064
>how could the tiny differences in anatomy that could have been created through inbreeding the Nanaya line have created someone whose muscles and bones don't need to be intact in order to use their muscles and bones?
When you find me a human that can do >>143026429
your "scientific" explanations hold water in this argument.
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>>143027479
>She ends up a tittymonster like Prisma Luvia instead

I'd love it.
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>>143027504
You sound like /fgog/'s resident shitposter, Melvin, who uses the most retarded and flimsy "logic" to claim the materials prove wildly outlandish things.

>LANCELOT CAN TANK EA BECAUSE ARONDIGHT IS UNBREAKABLE AND LIMITLESS AND LANCELOT CAN USE IMPOSSIBLE STANCES TO HIDE BEHIND IT

I'm not making that argument up, it's something he claimed once.
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>>143027250

>Saber was trained to use prana and hence her body is simply human that can use prana to strengthen her.

She's even older than the ancient humans who started the Nanaya clan, who acted to preserve their lineage specifically because human abilities were deteriorating. Her body isn't 'simply human,' she's an ancient human just like the Nanaya founders.

>The Nanaya never had ki, prana, nor magecraft. Ki was the ability of the Demon Hybrids they faced off against. In RDG, it is specifically told that they were raised and trained in order to fight against these energy using hybrids with nothing else except their own physicality.

You keep bringing this up, but all you're really doing is shooting yourself in the foot.

Because all Nanayas have are their bones and muscles, if both are destroyed, then they are truly crippled. Like I've said before, their specific anatomy and physiology is irrelevant because there's no way you can arrange muscles and bones - even outside the boundary of the humanoid physique - to arrive at a design where you can remain functionally mobile when the majority of your bones and muscles are damaged.

>That is the difference that they have with Saber or other humans.

They are explicitly different only from modern humans. Saber is not a modern human.

>Also, Achilles is a fucking demigod.

Demigods have human bodies, you know. By all your arguments, they should have wildly different muscular and skeletal systems to bear the weight of their superior strength, speed, and endurance.

>ONLY ACHILLES CAN DIE FROM BEING STABBED IN THAT AREA.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's quite possible to die from being stabbed in general, if it's a proper stabbing, regardless of where you are stabbed. Improbable, perhaps, but it's not outlandish.
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>>143027589
>once
He said that all the fucking time.
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>>143027589
I don't know anything about Lancelot so I can't vouch for that, but I have read Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya and the side stories, so I can vouch for that.

Also, using science to explain a body that can clearly do things that no normal human can ever do is the dumbest thing to do. Also, I've seen soldiers run with one foot while they've fucked their other leg with a fracture, so it's not really that far-fetched for a superhuman to just do what the Nanaya can do.
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>>143027440
Damn, if E and D STR can do this, I wonder what d'Eon can do at A
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>>143026792
She's obviously using muscle magic.
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>>143027716

>Also, using science to explain a body that can clearly do things that no normal human can ever do is the dumbest thing to do.

Nanayas aren't anything special in the grand scheme of humanity. They just preserved ancient human capabilities that were lost to the majority of people. There's nothing special about what they can do. In fact, 'normal' humans a millenium or two back were quite on par with them.
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>>143027440
IIRC E rank Strength is still 40 times the strength of an average human.
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>>143027886

That's B rank strength. E is 10 times.
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>>143027631
The Nanaya founders did not act to preserve their lineage. They were initially people who just tried to preserve their psychic powers. The Nanaya of today are stronger than the Nanaya of before. In the recorded history of the Nanaya, the strongest person is Nanaya Kiri, Shiki's dad.

>Because all Nanayas have are their bones and muscles, if both are destroyed, then they are truly crippled. Like I've said before, their specific anatomy and physiology is irrelevant because there's no way you can arrange muscles and bones - even outside the boundary of the humanoid physique - to arrive at a design where you can remain functionally mobile when the majority of your bones and muscles are damaged.
Tohno walked away missing one leg after killing Akiha. He clearly fought against hundreds of beasts and still was able to run while having his bones smashed and his muscles ripped.
Bones aren't able to produce the ripping force that Kiri can do with his hands, his muscles do.
Theirs are muscles that can propel a human body into the air with one stepjump faster than a thrown knife that is like a blur of light.

Their anatomy is way beyond what you are talking about. You are using normal science to explain things that are beyond normal scientific rules about the human body.

>They are explicitly different only from modern humans. Saber is not a modern human.
Saber uses prana even in her past form.
Nanaya never used prana, ki, magecraft and still can do wonderfully fucked up shit.
>Demigods have human bodies, you know. By all your arguments, they should have wildly different muscular and skeletal systems to bear the weight of their superior strength, speed, and endurance.
NO HUMAN FUCKING DIES ALMOST IMMEDIATELY FROM GETTING STABBED IN THEIR ACHILLES' HEEL.
>Actually, I'm pretty sure it's quite possible to die from being stabbed in general
You can't die immediately if you get stabbed in your heel. You idiot.
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>>143028023
>THEIR ACHILLES' HEEL
That's because most people don't have Achilles' heel. They probably have Jim's heel or something.
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>>143027833
Ancient humans of before used prana, magecraft, magical items, ki, and onmyoudo to do their dirty work. The Nanaya mostly used pure brute force to fight. That is their specialty.
That's how they are able to brutally kill Hybrids with nothing more than pure physicality.
Not some magic weapon.
Not some prana blast.
Just good old elbow grease.
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>>143027716
>Also, I've seen soldiers run with one foot while they've fucked their other leg with a fracture, so it's not really that far-fetched for a superhuman to just do what the Nanaya can do.
This. Though it's more like a light step that kinda drags if the guy is not careful. And then you reach base and you find out you have to put a cast on it.
Besides, Grant Hill literally played an entire basketball game with his foot completely ripped apart and fucked up. I can believe the Nanaya can do better than that.
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>>143027825
>literally casting fist
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>>143027631
>>143028023
These kind of conversations are why I love Type-Moon threads.
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>>143026063
Yes and no.
Aoi was pretty bad at singing LIVE when she started her musical career around 2012. Nowadays (more like since two years ago) she is a lot more comfortable with singing in front of an audience, moving around the scenario, keeping her breath and stamina etc
But regarding Hibiki's singing sounding rough around the edges and novice-ish is 100% intentional on Aoi parts.
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>>143028409
she sings?
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>>143028502
Yes, she is part of Petit Milady, has a solo musical career and is also the protagonist of Symphogear which is focused on songs.
https://a.pomf.cat/mmioqw.webm
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>>143010684
>>and then, what if we made her, and all her irrelevant friends lesbians
But IT JUST WORKS
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>check her pixiv
>full page of new art

It's Hestia all over again.
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>>143019598
>A long time ago, Sakata Kintoki fell in love with an oni that took the form of a beautiful girl. An oni called Shutendouji. Kintoki regrets having used foul play against Shutendouji and wishes for her revival - not to fight, but simply to meet her once more.
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>Shuuten: ahhh seems like you were the same as me. You wanted to play with me that badly? To spread out that thing and ram it to me and start roaring like a beast-

So she is a 100% canon slut.
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>>143027397
>reimoo
>drawn as a loli by people who aren't zun
Reimu is forever in the 14-18 limbo
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>>143019013
That's after the nerfs from the container. She's SS-tier.
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>>143030214
She might even be able to give Medb a run for her money.
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>>143031864
No one even comes close to Medb. Even Nero is willing to settle down with a husbando or waifu if they suit her, whereas Medb regularly fucked around with tons of other men while she was married.
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>>143031922
Nero isn't even a slut though. I'm pretty sure that's just /a/ saying that because she shows skin in her outfits. She always wanted to get married and find true love.

Medb just wants to fuck, and Shuten just wants to party. Totally different attitudes.
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>>143032009
Nero's an actual slut. She's open about her extremely varied sexual history in Extra and CCC, and with how much she enjoyed it. It's just that she always wished she could one day be happily monogamous, it just never happened when she was alive.
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>>143032136
Nero is the best kind of slut.
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>>143032136
You guys are misinformed or dumb. She had her orgies and all that, her harems and fuccbois and lesbian parties and such, but she wanted to have a marriage from the beginning. Another reason she wasn't really cut out to be an emperor. She didn't feel it was possible for her, and she never really met anyone who understood her. Most people could love her for being cute, her smile, her body, her energy, but that's not the same as understanding her and her weird art and her love of everyone and all that. She's actually a pretty deep character in my opinion, and deserves more credit than she is given. Though I would also say the same for Arturia. She also has a lot of personality faults that make her a very difficult person for most to be around, and she's very much an attention whore.

>>143032009
You are right anon. Nero is actually pretty misunderstood.
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>>143033543
>She had her orgies and all that, her harems and fuccbois and lesbian parties and such, but she wanted to have a marriage from the beginning.
That's more or less what I said. The only difference is that you seem to be trying to downplay the fact that she loved the orgies and the debauchery and the hedonism, too.
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>>143033543
She's Roman. She probably has had more species inside her vagina than you even knew existed.
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>>143033690
>The only difference is that you seem to be trying to downplay the fact that she loved the orgies and the debauchery and the hedonism, too.
No not all. Though if you think she needs those as a must you're wrong. Her fetish is more like whatever her lover is happy with she will oblige to. She enjoys any fetish, but she won't pressure you into anything. Except maybe letting her ride her lover while he or she finds her fruits and licks the glistening juice off of her body under the warm Mediterranean beach's sun. A warm sea breeze and the waves splashing into the shore next the the two.
Yup. Stuff like that.
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>>143033909
>Though if you think she needs those as a must you're wrong.
To be fair, she doesn't NEED a loving monogamous relationship either. She'd be pretty happy replacing "lover" with "a dozen attractive strangers" in that scenario, if she can't find a proper soulmate.
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Nasu must be stopped.
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Wait. The event already ended?
Fuck. I was so close to getting that 300 peaches craft essence
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>>143034096
And? It's her dream to get married and have happy life like that. Am I supposed to be bothered by her harem stuff that she does otherwise? I personally think it's pretty okay by me. She doesn't need one, but she certainly wants one.
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>>143034407
I'm just trying to remind you that they're both real parts of her character.

She's a slut. But if she likes you, she'll be YOUR slut.
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>>143034840
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>>143034467
Okay? I'm pretty sure I know my waifu anon. I'm really not sure here what you're going on about here.
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>>143034974
You're the one who took issue with the fact that I called her a slut earlier.
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>>143035036
Where and when? Also, she isn't. She's into love more than she is into sex and luxuries. That's not a slut.
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>>143035126
>Where and when?
>>143033543

>Also, she isn't. She's into love more than she is into sex and luxuries. That's not a slut.
She's into sex and luxuries just as much as she's into love. You keep trying to dodge that fact.
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>>143035218
Pretty sure wants love more. Pretty sure Hakuno isn't loaded with cash, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't fuck him at any point. So she's not all that much of a slut. You want it to be though. Maybe you should go to Medb or Rin for those things.
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>>143035416
>and I'm pretty sure she doesn't fuck him at any point.
She wants to, though.
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>>143035644
And she loves him? Your point?
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>>143035694
Like I said earlier, it's not that she stops being a slut if she finds love, it's just that she shift gears to be YOUR slut.
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>>143035748
That's not really beign a slut. That's just being a sensual, lewd and fun partner. You don't even need to be lewd like her.
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>>143024880

She probably can make them huge, but why do that if she doesn't have to. When she was blackened she was crazy and ignoring AM fucking her up from within, so she didn't care about using up all the energy in her body because her injuries insta-healed from refilling her circuits and she constantly was having power thrust into her. As you saw with Rin, a human juicing themselves up like that ends up with ripped muscles.

Post HF she still has lots of power to spare, but it's likely to be dangerous to use all the energy in her body for one familiar, so logically, she makes a lot of tiny ones to ride on her shoulders and do things for her.

I mean, doesn't everyone know most of the powers AM used as the Shadow are just hers? She sends Avenger's corpses in the Broad Bridge battle in Hollow to that other dimension you see Shirou going to in the bad ends in HF. The text literally sends she sends them to the underworld.
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Well let's not make it seem like the ancient priests and magi were limp write next to the Nanayas now. Human ingenuity was also important to survival in those days, and there are psychics who would also benefit well from magecraft, like Fujino for instance.

Proves humans aren't bad.
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