>659 BD >657 DVD And so during the first week, one of the

>>142846865
Wow, it's a huge flop.

>my taste must be validated by sales
Who literally gives a shit?

>>142847049
The poor little Kizfag can't accept reality. Do you want daddy to tuck you in and kiss you on the cheek? You can still like the shitfest of the show but it flopped completely.

>>142846865
Why do studios insist on giving that woman a job? Seriously, whose dick is she sucking?

>>142847128
Did you watch Mayoiga? That's even worse

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I doubt anyone expected huge sales from either of these shows.

>>142847066
>>142847128
Naisu beito

Nori-chan's smile isn't being protected

>>142846865
Why are her shows such failures?

>>142847066
It's funny because you literally want this
>Do you want daddy to tuck you in and kiss you on the cheek?
by seeking acceptance of your taste through sales.

>>142847049
I don't think anyone needed the sales to confirm that it's total shit

>>142847304
>naisu beito

Can't refute actual, hard facts; call it baiting. Sasuga retard-kun

Even if it had sold well it would still be shit

>>142846865
>Trigger tried to do something with actual substance instead of the usual meme anime
>completely btfo
Trigger will always be a meme studio

>>142846865
>Original
>Sells : Vol 1 : 659 BD and 657 DVD
Holy shit, this is so bad

>>142846865
Didn't she want it to be a fighting tourney anime or something?

Time for Aniplex to go nuts with event tickets and schemes to try to salvage yet another original bomb. Way to get outsold first week by an OVA from 2 years ago and the 14th volume of World Trigger with all that ad money and a one hour TV premiere special to market it. What I noticed is Stalker was actually pretty accurate with this one as it has been for Aniplex stuff recently. Only about 12% overestimated for both BD and DVD combined. The fact that it was still overestimated at those numbers is pretty damning.

>>142847366
>kiznaiver
>substance
'no'

>>142847049
Tell me what you like about Kiznaiver ?

>>142847445

This had an event ticket. the 2nd volume and the 4-6 one don't to my knowlege

Sorry but what do these numbers mean relatively? Can someone give me an example of good sale numbers?

And this season is off to a great start sales wise. If Gup is still on the chart 2 weeks from now when the rest is still coming out TV anime should pack it in though.

>>142847049
The point here isn't validating once tastes. The point here is that a fucking heavily-endorsed anime which even has an event ticket backing up its first volume sold like fucking garbage.

This a thread about surmising the reasons why it failed in the first place as an original show. Which can only be directed at the main woman responsible for the show, that being Okada. Not even a decent director and good visuals can salvage it.

>>142846865
>659 BD
>657 DVD
Only fujoshit buy this shit

>>142847366
Maybe Okada fucked this one up, but the animation quality in kiznaiver strictly speaking has been better than your average show.

>>142847516
>Not even a decent director
But was the direction itself good? I don't know because I haven't watched past episode 2, but just a name means jack shit if you want to criticize something.

>>142847335
Because she is a bad writer. She should find another job

>>142847546
Yes, the direction is very good.

So why exactly did AnoHana sell and this didn't? Was it really just Nagai?

>>142847366
>substance
>the overused teen love drama feat. love triangles

also
>trigger did it

>>142846865
>Mal thinks this anime is good
>Reddit thinks this anime is good
>/a/ thinks this anime is shit
And then people say /a/ has shit taste

>>142846865
I wanted to like it more, I love the designs and like some of the characters- but I just don't feel emotionally invested in it.

>show sells badly
STUDIO IS SO BAD
>show that hires Okada sells badly
OKADA IS SO BAD HOW DOES SHE HAVE A JOB

Did she burn down your house and rape your dog or something? Why do you hate her so much /a/? Can you even name any other writers this season? I mean, you do all realise that the creative process takes input from a very large amount of people at that anyone above her at anytime could veto her writing?

>>142846865
>Kiznaiver's first volume sells a combined total of 1300

RIP

>>142847625

Didn't know Okada had spin agents in the thread.

>>142847625
>joke taken seriously

>>142847558
She's a bad writer sure, but she absolutely shouldn't find another job since she's one of the most popular ones in the industry at the moment. Make of that what you will, but the world doesn't operate fairly.
She's successful for a reason. Probably because she has given people what they wanted in the recent past, that being shitty melodrama apparently. And questioning why would anyone hire her again because Kiznaiver flopped is low quality retard posting to be honest.

>>142847613
redditors and malfags aren't welcome here.

>>142846865
She's a hack. Proof women are talentless losers who need to be making sandwiches in the kitchen.

Shit show has shit sales.

More news at 11.

>>142847613
>/a/ thinks this anime is shit
>Japan thinks this anime is shit

All is right with the world.

Why didn't the nips buy it anyway?

>>142847702
Because it's fucking garbage.

>>142846865
Your pic hurts my eyes.

Is this the biggest flop ever in recent times?

>>142847613
Then fuck off back there fag
Also
>implying /a/ doesn't like it
They became one of the fastest threads this season after episode 9, /a/ loves it.

>>142847730
Look at Glasslip and Comet Lucifer.

>>142847744
Mayoiga has tons of threads, so /a/ must love it, right?

Stop being retarded.

>>142847702
They probably aren't that interested in the story and characters.

>>142847744
>/a/ loves it
/a/ loves stupid waifuwars irregardless of the quality of the show. What else is new?

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This is now a no bully zone.

>>142847498
For original anime not based on manga/ln/etc. sales are everything (because anime studio pays for the anime ). Good sales for original are around 10 000 per volume.
In case of manga/ln/game/etc. adaptation anime studio gets money from publisher/etc. to make anime

>>142847755
Mayoiga is just like 10 people circlejerking, Kiznaiver is legitimately fast from lots of people posting after airing day.

>>142847702
I personally think the show is fine, but I wouldn't buy it either if I were them. I'd Boom Boom Satellites, though.

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Mari Okada was a mistake.

>>142847538
>but the animation quality in kiznaiver
All that wasted money

>>142847702
The characters aren't really likeable, so the drama of the latest episodes probably didn't have that much effect on them.

At least that's what happened for me, /a/ talks a lot about it because it's Okada's ride, that's all, look at Mayoiga threads or literally every shit anime that Okada made.

>>142847702
BDs are fucking expensive. You have a season with so much good or entertaining stuff airing. The average anime buyer(not fan, because the average anime fan might buy 1 anime BD every year or two) will buy 1 anime per season. Now you can pick anything from Macross, Re:Zero, Tanaka-kun, Flying Witch, Kuromukuro, Haifuri, Kuma Miko. And even some low quality garbage like Bakuon.

Why would you choose to buy Kiznaiver from all that? Are you really going to rewatch Kiznaiver at any point or you'll look at your shelf and say "Mmm, that's a nice purchase."

>>142847774
No they don't, there is a production committee. Trigger does not finance this on their own, and you just pulled this number of of your ass. Exactly like 5k for non-original shows, stop making shit up you nigger lover.

>>142847818
Yes, but I appreciate the effort.

There's been too many adaptations of source material I liked ruined by terribad studios.

The fact that some studios will actually try gives me more hope.

I can't wait to see Mayoiga's sales, I really hope Okada will fuck off for a long time after those two flops.

>>142847774
>Good sales for original are around 10 000 per volume.
Delusion the post. Those are dream sales for the age we live in. Ignorance incarnate is what your post is as evident by this as well
>For original anime not based on manga/ln/etc. sales are everything

I disavow this Trigger anime

>>142847867

Then please numbers so I know what to compare it to anon-kun.

>>142847849
When will we know about Mayoiga's sales? I'm interested in them

>>142847849
It's doing so badly it's even possible that it won't chart.

>>142847702
Contrary to what people say here in the western world, nips don't actually give much of a fuck about Okada.

Most if not all her hits sold well not because of her.

>>142847744
Fairy tail has every week a thread, so /a/ must love it, right ?

>>142847814
She is cute

>>142847917
Hanairo.
AnoHana.

>>142847702
It's not very good. The premise is interesting and the music is really good but everything else falls flat.

>>142847962
AnoHana sold because it was good and not necessarily because of Okada.

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>>142847366
I wouldn't mind the memes

>tfw you will see Trigger die in your lifetime
We are blessed.

>>142847916
>>142847969
>>142847987
Stop shitting up the thread, autismo.

>>142847987
>anohana
>good
Pick one, it failed as a drama as much as Kiznaiver is failing right now, all the sales are only because of Menma, nothing else.

>>142848000
Nah, Aniplex money will save them. If not, they can always resort to Kickstarter.

>>142848000
>trigger dying
Just wait for the sales of Luluco.

>>142847962
Hanairo I can call a fluke but AnoHana was literally because of Nagai.

>>142847625
>Can you even name any other writers this season?

Okouchi?

>>142846865
Who didn't see this coming? Kiznaiver is bad. Sure, the threads are fun but I would have dropped the show if it wasn't for them.

>>142848064
I would have dropped the show if it wasn't Trigger.

Meanwhile a Gundam OVA sold nearly 50K, an Idolslutmaster Concert BD 20K and GuP added another 10K or so to the franchise for another week. Oldcodex latest album sold 20K and Guilty Kiss had a higher debut week than even Egoist with the rest of the Sunshine sub units surging. Bandai Visual just kind of broke another Spring season like they did in Spring 2014 with Love Live. The power gap is just so ridiculous between them and everyone else besides maybe Aniplex's stuff right now and they're the only ones looking routinely competent. I'm not sure there's anything that can stand up to Love Live Sunshine next season sales wise either besides maybe a long shot for Rewrite or B-Project but even then I'm not sure Aniplex + Key fanatics or Aniplex + TM Revolution fujobait even come close to beating crazy Love Live fans.

>>142847730
>not End-this-Ride

>>142848107
Key isn't even really too big of a name anymore to warrant super high sales. Charlotte sold fine but not spectacularly, while even Little Busters could ony do around 10k at best. The days of Angel Beats and Clanand are behind them now.

Okada first volume
46,474 Anohana (2011)
11,254 Hanasaku Iroha (2011)
9,638 Aquarion EVOL (2012)
7,990 AKB0048 (2012)
5,013 Nagi no Asu Kara (2013)
4,866 selector infected WIXOSS (2013)
128 M3 the dark metal (2014)
1,316 Kiznaiver (2016)

What happened?

>>142848000
Trigger musn't die until i say they can die.

Shit sales or not I do like that fact that Trigger is still trying anime originals. I think anime original shows are the driving force in the industry. Most of the shows that /a/ genuinely likes are original shows. It's sad that the only thing going for Kiznaiver is great animation. Very weak show and the sales show it.

>>142848152
She stopped working with PA Works and Nagai anymore.

>>142847613
By MAL standards anything less than 8/10 is not good.

>>142847671

Didn't even her recent movie thing Anthem of The Heart vastly underperform before expectations too? I heard them say they were shooting for Hosoda class and 2 million box office bare minimum and it made like 1 billion with 200 theaters. It seems like even with some massive backing she has trouble getting it done but the industry still has tremendous faith in her. She's kind of like the Adam Sandler of the anime industry.

>>142848152
For how much shit she gets, Okada actually has a decent amount of success. It's not like everything she touches is going to be a 8k+ seller.

Fuck Okada

>>142848190
>What is Iron-Blooded Orphans and Anthem of the Heart?

>>142848270
>Gundam franchise
>movie that didn't do well

Yes, and?

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It's almost like hack writing doesn't sell

>>142848278
Didn't do well? Wat?

>>142848152
>Hanairo was five years ago
Man. Literally her only good work.

>>142848283
What would a story be like without any of these things?

>>142847625
Okada was always a shit writer. When I think she's finally going to make something good she disappoints every time.

An Anime staff with the name "Mari Okada" in it should be a red flag by now.
>inb4 but it is
Anons still insist on watching her shows though.

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>>142847691
>142847691▶
>>>142846865 (OP)
>She's a hack. Proof women are talentless losers who need to be making sandwiches in the kitchen.

I fucking love you senpai

>>142847762

I have a hard time thinking Japan has finally decided to have a little taste but recent sales trends and even massive marketing schemes and event tickets seemingly no longer working makes me wonder if they're at the very least getting a little more discerning and trying to send a message. You can tell they really sincerely love Girls und Panzer this season though

>>142847987

Anohana had Tatsuyuki Nagai directing aka that director from Sunrise who seems like the one people actually like and has shit canned her worst ideas and even stepped in to fix them like he did with Anohana. Originally she wanted it to be a typical wacky slapstick romcom. I swear original shows where he's the director are the only actual ones that have ever been real hits. She even managed to bomb things like an AKB48 and Black Rock Shooter anime really hard.

>>142848344
Didn't mean to quote

>>142848278
He said Okada don't work for Nagai anymore. But they worked together on those two anime, to which i'm trying to point out.

Can't you comprehend anything besides memetext?

Sales dont matter when shit like love live and girls with tanks always top the charts

Otaku only buys moeshit now

>>142848152
You missing Iron Blooded Orphans which should be second

>>142848283
>Parental Figures
At least make them tropes which are actually somewhat unique to the writer.

>>142848366
>look at all my buzzwords, please give me a you
Have one anon.

>>142848366
Attack on Titan sold well and that wasn't moe. Ditto for Osomatsu-kun.
>inb4 fujoshit

>>142848169
>I do like that fact that Trigger is still trying anime originals
WIT is doing the same with Kabaneri
But their anime original isn't a flop

>>142848392
He has a point. You can't exactly call idol shows the pinnacle of animation. But more importantly, sales don't mean shit except maybe a chance of sequels.

>>142848407
>Attack on Titan
>Osomatsu-kun
Literally fujoshits.

Thought that being said, you can make a better case for the Matsus because they've become more of a massive phenomenon transcending demographics.

>>142848169

They need to get away from Aniplex already. Aside from event tickets which everything has now anyway they're looking like critical poison when it comes to originals right now.

>>142848366

More like Bandai Visual looks practically unstoppable at the moment

>>142848429
Hello newfriend. Looks like you accidentally replied to a tripfag. Ooops! That was a beginners mistake but don't worr the friendly users of /a/ are here to help you! We usually ignore these people since all they do is ruin the board.

>>142848407
>Attack on Titan...
Stopped reading there

>>142847691

To be fair nip women draw really good porn

>>142846865

KEKEKEK

Who pitched the project in the first place?

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>>142847950

Most of them are on some level

>>142846865
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>>142847702
Why would they?

How's Luluco doing?

>everybody in nipland are laughing at Kiznaiver flopping
Hah.

>>142847718
So is Kabaneri

>>142848962
Pretty well for a short.

>>142847846
>>142847538
>caring about animation when the story is shit

story is the main-course.The hook is the aperitif,while animation is the digestif

>>142846865
>backed heavily by Aniplex
Oh, wow.

>>142848359
>I have a hard time thinking Japan has finally decided to have a little taste but recent sales trends and even massive marketing schemes and event tickets seemingly no longer working
Kabaneri and Macreoss Delta says hi! For any consultation this season looks really weak in terms of sales

How big did Kiznaiver's marketing get? I keep seeing posts about it but no concrete examples as to the extent of how much it got promoted to the general public.

>>142848359
>Anohana had Tatsuyuki Nagai directing aka that director from Sunrise who seems like the one people actually like
You're joking right? Have you seen Iron Blooded Orphans and Railgun?
> Originally she wanted it to be a typical wacky slapstick romcom.
That was Nagai
> I swear original shows where he's the director are the only actual ones that have ever been real hits
You got it bacjkwards, the only real hits come from when they both team up, by himself his most successful work is the terrible Railgun adaptation.

Why would Trigger hire that talentless hack? It's like playing lottery you might get lucky and sell well but most likely wont.

Japan shit taste strikes again? I really wish someone knowledgable would chime in as to how good shows consistently fail and mediocre stuff sells.

>>142849177
>It's like playing lottery
Pretty much this. WIT gambled with Kabaneri as well. You got someone who did great with AoT and they gave him another shot but the payoff is going to be huge. Trigger lost the lottery with Okada but someone else is going to give her a shot.

>>142849217
Actually this time, their taste is spot on.

>>142849217
I'm pretty sure you are the one with shit taste if you think Kiznaiver is good in any shape or form.

>>142849126
A huge twitter campaign, Billboards. event tickets, etc. And I think he first episode was Nicovideo exclusive. They obviously wanted it to be a big hit but it wasn't It's always interesting to see Aniplex works fail because it shows a general uninterest in the audience, I mean you can argue that its because of quality but Kabaneri is among the top selling titles of the season so whatever that was in Kiznaiver never grabbed them so the amount of trinkets didn't matter

>>142849126
There was a massive billboard for it in prime advertisement territory a few months ago. I wish I could find it.

>>142849043
Fuck off

>>142849126

More than most shows but less than High School Fleet. Nothing else even had close to High School Fleet levels of marketing this season

>>142849260
In all honesty I've only seen about 2 episodes in. Obviously I'll make up my own mind about the show and won't depend on /a/ to decide for me.

>>142848107
It's kinda funny even when both Bandai and Aniplex have a stake on the same IP, Bandai still ends up with the better deal.

>>142847128
>whose dick is she sucking?
All of them?

>>142847291
That's because you didn't watch the preview trailer.

>>142848208
>I heard them say they were shooting for Hosoda class and 2 million box office

Sauce? Of course you don't have one, don't bother replying.

>>142847366
>Trigger tried to do something with actual substance
Definitely not in the Kiznaiver dimension, that's for sure.

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>>142849248
>WIT gambled with Kabaneri as well.
>gambled

Kabaneri is the very definition of safe as fuck and before the event ticket offer its sales were being pushed because of the terrible female lead character/mascot. It had fucking Okoucihi at helm who is even more of a terrible writer than Okada.

>>142847594
>So why exactly did AnoHana sell and this didn't? Was it really just Nagai?

If you ask me, the first 2 episodes of Kiznaiver should have been combined to be a 1-hour episode to really hook the audience

>>142849159
>terrible Railgun adaptation
Eh, it was decent at best.

>>142846865
Hey, it still sold like 10x better than M3. Total sales will be ~2200, still a flop though.

>>142849284

Isn't Aniplex like 3rd down in the production committee for Kabaneri after Wit Studio and Fuji TV whereas for Kiznaiver they're the primary production committee member with Trigger second? As far as I know they supplied the music (which blows by the way I don't care what people say) and distribution while Fuji TV and noitaminA handled all the marketing.

>>142847613
>Mal thinks this anime is good
>Reddit thinks this anime is good
For real?

What's wrong with this show?

>>142849532
It's fucking garbage.

>>142847625
>Why do you hate her so much /a/?
Putrid drama, cheap drama, retarded drama, predictable drama, cliche drama. Very little of anything else.

That's Mari Okada.

>>142849493
They're distributing the BD/DVDs so they own it though they seem to have pushed Kiznaiver more largely because Kabaneri was delayed and its from noitamina.
>As far as I know they supplied the music
Sony Music is listed for it.

>>142848785
Is that bad?

>>142849573
It might be breakeven for a short. Nobody knows but it's certainly not worse than Kiznaiver's.

>>142848000
>tfw you will see Trigger die in your lifetime
>remember when we used to think they would save animu

>>142847366
>generic teen melodrama you've seen a hundred times before
>substance
How is it possible to be this delusional?

>>142848962
>How's Luluco doing?

I'd imagine a lot better than Kiznaiver like maybe 3x

>>142849552
She's hired to write all that kind of drama isn't she? Why do you keep watching her then?

>>142849061
>not caring about the animation
i hate it when the animation is mediocre though

i also hate it when shit like Captain Earth gets gret animation but have shit writing

>>142849452
>terrible female lead character/mascot

Oh please

>>142847702
no self-insert pandering otaku RPG shit with fanservice, so no reason to buy it.

>>142849532
The writing is worthless. And the writing makes up much of the contents for this show.

>>142849640
I didn't manage to complete a single one of her shows since anohana.

>>142849738
>complete

So you keep watching her regardless, why?

>>142848107
How did Bandai do this? I'm looking at their list of licenses over the past couple of years, and half of it is solid gold.

>>142849755
To see how bad she can get. It also makes everything else better in comparison.

>>142849408

Sword Art Online and iDOLM@STER Anime come to mind. They both took it up the ass on Asterisk and some things like Valvrave though. Gintama is a net win for both I'd say.

>>142849444

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/68951

Read Yaraon, the producer said it. Nagai said he would be ecstatic if it were to manage to please as many people as the Anohana film, the producer talked about it being A-1's step into Ghibli's shoes and competing in the same sphere as Hosoda for critical and box office acclaim.

>>142849780
Yeah, I expected that kind of response. Eager to see you in the threads of her next project.

>>142849552
But that's whats she's known for, so presumably that's why she's hired. I don't understand why you hate her and not the companies that hire her. Without them she wouldn't be able to do shit, but for some reason everyone focuses on Okada herself.

But serious talk though, Kiznaiver really is badly written. I won't delve into the characters because honestly from the premise alone it already completely shat itself.

>>142849757
>How did Bandai do this?
GUTS.

>>142849783
What did Bandai do for SAO? Some shitty game?

>>142849757

Better planning I guess. Staying the fuck out of light novels and not investing too heavily in late night anime for most part except for the absolute most obvious winners like Accel World and SAO that they could work with (Somehow they magiced Horizon into a BD hit anyway though but the merchandising and game potential sucked) while everybody else rushed into them full bore smelling gold. Instead unlike virtually every other major producer they focused on building their own IPs internally and trusting in their established core franchises while weathering various storms and drastic market shifts and appearing to anticipate others like the rise in music anime instead of just using the rest of the industries crazy 12 episode commercial for another entity and done approach to everything. Mostly though I think it just comes down to picking their battles better post Gundam Age, having a high number of industry veterans still within their framework and a fair bit of luck.

>>142846865
How high is Trigger on the production committee ladder? Certainly Aniplex is a major member but Trigger stands to loss from this, right?

Why did Kiznaiver even get pitched in the first place? Did someone think that if you had the most Okada show ever it would somehow sell?

>>142849926

Production Committee member and funding, game rights and Sunrise handled some of the key animation and in-between stuff for the second season especially. One of the first shots you see in SAO II is an ad for Bandai Namco games and God Eater on a TV but you have to have a keen eye for detail to see it. Despite being 4th in production committee order they make the most from the franchise on media because game market just>light novels and anime period.

>>142848283
>Google Anabasis
Huh, I learned something new from this thread. Didn't expect that.

>>142850166
>because game market just>light novels and anime period

The LNs sell millions and both seasons of anime sold extremely well. The movie is bound to be a hit as well especially with the hook of being original.
How successful was the game (games?) developed by Bandai?

>>142849806
>I won't delve into the characters
When the show is nothing but a character drama...

>because honestly from the premise alone it already completely shat itself.
Why?

>>142850250

The last game in the series Lost Song sold about 410,000 copies worldwide by January 2016. I don't actually think the movie is going to be nearly as successful as some people might think and it being original will possibly even work against it but it'll do well enough for sure.

>>142850455
Interesting, I didn't recall reading anything about it.

>>142850251
All of the problems that have been established in the show were born out of the sheer incompetence of the people involved with it. Now I understand they're trying to paint the world in the Kiznaiver universe as some sort of pseudo-dystopian shit hole but it still makes the most sense that an experiment that has the potential to drastically fuck with the subjects should be at least first done with disposable human trash, with prisoners. I can give the "World Peace" reasoning a pass but god damn everything else the show has stated regarding it is completely fucking unbelievable.

They can't fucking use the Kizuna system as a way to frame the themes of emotion, connections, feelings, etc. because of how idiotic the people are. So absurdly idiotic that I honestly don't give a fuck about Nori-chan's condition because of the reasons she got it in the first place. That reason being shit writing and inability to properly build a barely believable setting. The new central conflict of the show, that being the affliction, is based on such trashy world building and badly-written reasons as to why it came to be that I find myself just not caring at all. Go take a look at the god damn teachers especially the completely wishy washy personality flip the other bitch did because reasons. The entire backstory reveal of the system and all of the events thereafter were because the people handling it were written to be braindead.

It breaks my already cracking immersion extremely hard and that means that the entire universe the writer has written comes crashing down because they didn't even bother to think up of stronger foundations for it. Once the setting caves in and the entire premise comes into shambles, soon follows everything else: the characters, the motivations, the reason they even all met in the first place, fucking everything.

The flimsy premise undermines everything that has transpired.
Poorly written characters is the least of the problems of this show.

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>>142850844
>those paint skills
>3.43 MB png

11/10.

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It's time for Trigger to use THAT.

Aniplex has been terrible lately. They got drunk on the success of Monogatari and Madoka and now they keep trying to recreate successes like them without understanding what made them successful in the first place.

Also Haifuri is a really disappointing attempt at recreating the success of Girls und Panzer without the same level of talent and care.

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>>142850844
Distressingly accurate.

>>142850736
I like Kiznaiver but I feel like explaining the system with ALIENS would have made the story stronger, it would require less explanation and they could just say "aliens want to understand how humans relations work so they're experimenting on us".

I would buy the BD BOX SET.

>>142850969
You mean literally like Kokoro Connect? Honestly, blame it on Okada being shitty at world-building.

>>142851017
Kokoro Connect wasn't aliens, it was a bored God-like supernatural being looking for entertainment.

>>142851078
Indistinguishable from "aliens" in any way which matters.

>>142848785
CHILL OUT

>>142847594
Better stealth marketing.

>>142851114
>stealth

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>>142850736
The way I see it, and part of the appeal of the show initially for me, was that the premise IS absurd. The fact you got these goofy minion motherfuckers running around with little to no explanation of who or what or why they are along with a vaguely abstract world that seems to be dystopian, maybe?, and a stylish aesthetic and I think you got something appealing as an initial premise.

If it'd succeed, it should have doubled down on the weirdness in my opinion, and explored the themes of pain deeper. Make it artsy, or ditch the premise entirely as the best part of the show, Maki's arc, was entirely set in a reasonably grounded past.

I remember browsing a 2chan thread on this when the big melodramatic shitfest which was episode 9 happened. General consensus was that Ijime Connect was already a thing and even if they wanted the Okada-brand of drama then AnoHana existed.

Will Okada now commit ritual suicide to recover her lost honor?

>>142850736
How can you write so much while saying so little? You didn't convey any actual criticism of the show, you just kept repeating "it's stupid" and "I don't like it"

Well I'm glad it sold like shit. Maybe she can write something better next time instead of hot garbage.

Who cares?
We all know Kiznaiver is shit and Luluco will save Anime.

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I don't speak for everyone, but I like variety. What I don't like, is when something goes full retard. Examples are: Robot shows start killing off characters for drama, comedy shows with NTR, etc.

It's like cake, you can only eat so much of it before you get sick of it and hate it. Everything in life needs balance; some sad, some happy, some hope, some despair. Anime imitates life so it should follow this basic principle, but then you have as I said before, series that go full retard and obtain disdain from its audience in the process.

Things like K-on are full retard and too stupid to take seriously. Anyone that enjoys this has mental problems of some kind.

Kizniver is the other spectrum of full retard, where the edge is too much. You can't take this shit seriously at all and laugh at the people that do.

So that sums why I am here, right now.
I came here to laugh at you.

>>142851378
>I don't speak for everyone
>Anyone that enjoys this has mental problems of some kind.
Yeah, right.

>>142851378
By that logic stuff like Angel's Egg, GitS or Texhnolyze is dogshit, which is bullshit.
Kiznaiver is shit just because it's badly written period, nothing more nothing less.

>>142851141
I was getting Ikuhara vibes from the first couple episodes and was really hoping they'd continue like that.

>>142851515
Kiznaiver is very well written though. Best characters and best drama of the season

>>142851618
Nice sarcasm.

The premise and gorgeous art actually hooked me and I thought the show had potential, but seeing Okada's name attached, I dropped it on the spot. Her shows tend to start out interesting, but in the end, it always turns out there was no deeper meaning to anything, it was going nowhere and she was just asspulling everything from the start.

>>142848283
Kiznaiver has a fucking lot

>>142849507
I had to go there to check, but its true.

Score is 7.73, but most votes are 8. And there are more 9s and 10s than 5s and 6s.

>>142850171
I did it too, but I'm not sure what it was supposed represent in that bingo.

I don't like the anime but I watch it because I like seeing the red childhood friend get NTR'd.

>>142846865
>NOT EVEN ONCE

/a/ is doing facebook memes now

>>142851545
Ikuhara needs to do something with Trigger

>>142850969
Too much of a Kokoro Connect rip off.

>>142847889
4k~ good enough, 6k~ decent, 8k~ good, 10k~ very good, 15k~ great, 20k~ awesome, for more than that it would probably be considered a mainstream hit.

But really, determining whether a series is a success or a flop depends on a lot of factors like ratings, merchandise sales, how much they spent on the budget in the first place, etc.

>>142852299
>facebook memes

>implying facebook has memes
>implying it's not normies recycling whatever leaks through the ceiling from other communities

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Fucking kek. And the first BD had an event ticket attached to it

I'd buy volume 1 just for the NCOP.
Only reason to get it.

>>142848283
>hack writing doesn't sell
Literally every anime season proves the exact opposite.

I haven't seen the show, and I'm neutral in regards to Okada.

But one thing is for sure - the success or failure of a show has always been a driving factor to the self-esteem of salesfags.

>>142853587
I tip my hat to you, good sir.

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One more flop and it's R.I.P. Trigger.
What a time to be alive.

>>142847366
>Okada
>Substance

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>>142854062
Okada's writing is very deep by anime standards. This scene had a ton of substance

>>142849757
Bamco/Sunrise are the masters of omnipandering, it's great

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>>142853993
Implying, The next worth with Urobutcher is going to be godly.

>>142847744
>>142847755
>>142847764
>>142847919
>/a/ is a fucking hivemind

I love this meme.

I like the show, despite its obvious flaws, and I give no fucks about sales, /a/, nips, mal, reddit, gaia, fujoshits, anti-fujoshits, otaku, your favorite anime club or (You).

>>142854178
>>142853993
You're wrong. Trigger's next show is going to be this:
>>142850918
>Script: Kazuki Nakashima
>Character designer: Atsushi Nishigori
>Mecha designer: Yoshinari Yoh
>Director: Hiroyuki Imaishi
Just in time for Gurren Lagann's 10th anniversary.

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>kabaneri selling
Christ. And the only people who dislike Kiznaiver are stupid shitters who expected KLK a second time round.

You're Trigger and you need your next show to be a hit. What do you think they're banking on, /a/? We know that the director is Imaishi and that the hint is "Gurren Lagann".
>new "epic mecha show" by the exact staff of Gurren Lagann
>Urobuchi is a self-declared Gurren Lagann fan so now he is making a Gurren Lagann-like show with Imaishi

>>142854507
>self-declared fan
As opposed to someone else convincing you you're a fan of a thing?

>>142847366
Would have been better if another studio had made it, would have also gotten less hate from these meme shitters here on /a/ who all want another mindless meme show like Inferno cop or Luluco

Kiznaiver is easily AOTS

>>142847625
Maybe is because every show that she's worked on is garbage?

> Aquarion EVOL
> Kuroshitsuji S2
> Vampire Knight
> DtB S2
> Nagi no Asukara
> Kiznaiver

And the list goes on.

>>142849799
No one really knows how japanese anime companies work, so getting into these sort of details about how and why she's hired or why is she still there isn't worth the time. The point is that she is, regardless of how time and time again is proven that she can't write for shit.

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>Instead of looking at the show objectively I rather spout Mari Okada memes
God I hate this place so much.

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>>142855463
> looking at the show objectively
> objectively
> anime

Okada is over saturated, she needs to stop shitting out so many shows and take break.

>Okada doing Okada show
Wow, what a huge surprise it didn't sell shit

>>142854121
>that scene
The coloring and tone are superb for a TV show. What a waste.

>>142846865
That's even lower than predicted but Okada has always been outdoing herself when it comes to flops.

I can't wait for Trigger's next project to BTFO Kizshit once and for all.

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>sold worse than Kyoanus haremshit
clearly Trigger just needs to sellout and do fanservice shows now

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>>142854121
>Okada's writing is very deep by anime standards

>>142851158
I literally called it Kokoro Connect on episode 1 and it ended up being worse than it

>>142856292
Only reason that one sold is because of the Kyoanus name

It wouldnt sell half as much if it were another studio

If Trigger wants to make easy money they could make a girl+war show

>>142846865
The biggest misconception surrounding Okada, is that she's actually popular. She's not, she only gets work, because she accepts everything and she has connections. She got the IBO job, just because Nagai invited her for example.

Things she's ruined so far:

>Darker than black
>Yamakan's career
>Aquarion
>Black rock shooter
>Junichi sato
>Gundam
>Trigger

I'm probably missing more.

She's like a blight on the anime industry, she's really better off writing dorama.

>>142856335
You might be retarded.

>>142856587
> is because of the Kyoanus name
No, because it had better animation and production values than anything in that season (better than anything this season as well in that regard).

>>142856605
>Lupin
Like,seriously, how can you even fuck up Lupin? But she did it anyway

Are most people just butthurt that Kiznaiver turned out so bad when they wanted it to be good? These threads don't make any sense.

>>142854121
>deep

>>142849568

Distribution of BDs doesn't necessarily imply ownership of an original anime IP, just that end of it.

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>still watching Trigger anime in 2016
>anon still hasn't learned from the collective shitshows that are KLK, InoBato, Inferno Cop and Ninja Slayer
>MUH GAINAX
>MUH LITTLE WITCH ACADEMIA
I really don't know what you expected in all honesty anon. Shit begets shit - especially in Trigger's case.

>>142850736

Anime is really really REALLY fucking bad with characters and getting people to like them lately cause it's stuck in this weird cynical era of writing. It's why stuff like Love Live and GuP are able to walk all over most other anime and be in a different league cause people actually really really like the characters. If anime could produce even 50% more moderately relatable or even tolerable characters anymore it'd be doing that much better but instead we need constant melodrama and annoying asshole characters as protagonists. I feel like the industry has just totally lost the plot on what people are looking for in casts anymore.

>>142856605
>>Black rock shooter

You cannot ruin what was shit, I never got why ret/a/rds even believed that a fucking album cover would make a good anime, especially when GSC was using it entirely to sell Figurines.

Kiznaiver feels like a shitty Anohana, and that already had its fair share of problems.

>>142849757
>How did Bandai do this
Bandai is the master of marketing

>>142856587
KyoAni has never had brand recognition. Just look at Munto, 100% a KyoAni production and it didn't sell at all. Most of their shows that sell well are because they're legitimately good.

>>142850922

I've been saying this for a while now as have a growing number of Japanese fans but I just get yelled at and called Aniplex guy for it. Your probably just Aniplex guy for saying this too and there's no readily and observable serial problem of Aniplex just doing everything completely backwards and relying on event tickets and popular names to bail them out project after project. I feel like they've been driving the standard of the anime industry down more and more outside of animation quality for years now if not single handedly due to the sheer number of projects and franchises they've been gifted control of but as the most obvious propagator of crap originals and weak adaptations. Oh well, as long as Japan has as much faith in them as they do say Okada too carry the industry there's not much that can be done about it.

>>142860915
>Gundam has never had brand recognition. Just look at AGE, 100% a Gundam production and it didn't sell at all. Most of their shows that sell well are because they're legitimately good.

>>142860971
What's your point? Gundam main series sell like hotcakes just like Fate main plots. Prove to me that KyoAni actually has fan recognition

>>142851114

Stealth marketing doesn't seem to be working anywhere near as well any more since people at least in Japan have wised up to it compared to the early part of the decade. All this money just being thrown at marketing shows of late has been resulting in meager gains at best. Meanwhile GuP didn't red any crazy marketing schemes like changing posters and constant unending publicity to annihilate this season and become the 4th franchise to have a volume cross the 200,000 mark. Evangelion films, Love Live and Gundam Unicorn being the others.

As for the West stealth marketing can still be effective since the crunchy roll crowd is immensely stupid and gullible for hyping beyond words.

>>142851189

Gundam IBO Season 2 will do well cause it's Gundam and people will mistakenly attribute it to Okada and not Sunrise power and she'll keep getting used. Remember the current industry big wigs think of her as the ideal writer and project coordinator

>>142850922
>Also Haifuri is a really disappointing attempt at recreating the success of Girls und Panzer without the same level of talent and care.
Not even talent and care, they didn't even try to appeal to /ak/ fags this time and figured they could get away with a LOT of cute girls on ships but without the ship fanservice. It doesn't even feel like the battles need to be there

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Anons, how do we stop Okada?

>>142857999
Phantom World was a bomb though.

Also nobody buys anything for solely the animation. That has never been a thing

>>142855579

Can she take Hiroyuki Sawano with her too so we can get more variety in soundtracks for big blockbuster anime again. One of the biggest problems with modern anime is just using the same hack names over and over again because producers are too chickenshit or prefer playing favorites over what's good for keeping the scene from stagnating like it has. Like can more people than just Bandai Visual at least try it?

>>142861111
Their works used to sell a lot back then even though their plots weren't much better than the competition's. They built up recognition through well-produced works but now they've ruined it by making garbage for years straight. It's similar to how Gundam built up loyalty with the three legitimately good shows 0079, Zeta, and ZZ but now the brand recognition isn't working as well as it used to since most of it nowadays is garbage. Phantom World definitely got extra attention for being a Kyoani show, but like in the previous example, brand recognition isn't as strong as it once was, but just because it isn't as strong doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>142860971
That's not even close to a fair comparison

>>142861339
Phantom was ok, mediocre enough to warrant better sales than Kiznaiver which is just plain bad.

>>142860893

Cost effective marketing and understanding the fine line between getting the word out and cramming shit down your throat to the point of nausea and where the law of diminishing returns on marketing kicks in

>>142861363
>Their works used to sell a lot back then even though their plots weren't much better than the competition's.
KyoAni got famous because of their adaptations though. They weren't doing the LN shit exclusively either, they just had good material to work with

>>142861385
>Phantom was ok,
○無彩限のファントム・ワールド 【全7巻】
巻数　　　初動　　　　　2週計　　　 発売日
　　　　　BD(DVD)　　　BD(DVD)
01巻　2,076(*,512)　2,355(*,***)　16.04.06 ※合計 2,867枚
02巻　1,708(*,337)　*,***(*,***)　16.05.11 ※合計 2,045枚
03巻　1,588(*,310)　*,***(*,***)　16.06.01 ※合計 1,898枚

In what fucking world is this okay? By the time they all come out, the average is going to be like 2k at best. That's worse than fucking Nichijou and I can't tell you how glad I am that they made an anime that sold worse than Nichijou and it deserved it

>>142861363
Free sold more than pretty much any other pre-Disapearance anime except Haruhi and Kon, Chuu 2 also sold pretty well.

>>142861423
Because their adaptations looked nice and faithful. Nowadays Kyoani is phoning it in with awful scripts. Sometimes even their animation isn't as good, like how Amagi didn't look as good as the LNshit they produce themselves.

>>142861481
The global average as far as tv anime sales go is around that much. My point was that it sold better than koznaiver because it was at least watchable, while Kiznaiver is just bad

>>142861494
Free was produced in 2013, back when the Kyoani brand effect was stronger and before Kyoani really started to lose people's faith with their LNshit (ex. KnK, Chuu2 S2). They also pandered to fujos, a new market. However, the Free movie underperformed.

>>142860971

Gundam is not about selling BDs and I still don't think people realize just how big Gundam is even now nearly 40 years later. The fact that it's a day time anime that airs at 5 PM on Sundays that still sells enough BDs to chart and do better than most late night anime actually aimed at collector otaku is a testament to some form of brand recognition not afforded to most other day time anime. Okada is disgustingly lucky to get to work on one but it'll probably be her first and last stint.

>>142846865
Can someone actually clarify what the fuck series composition is? Because the amount of things she works on makes me suspect that it's not as involved a role as people like to make out for their shitposting purposes.

>>142861566
>>The global average as far as tv anime sales go is around that much.
Which is bad and shows a clear lack of fucks given. Phantom World is on the same level of as the average high school battle harem LN is

>>142861512
AmaBuri still looked better than 90% of the shows out there.

>>142861600
AGE still flopped. Barely anyone bought the model kits and the series remains in Gundam's black history. It shows that brand name doesn't always work but still definitely exists.

>>142861481
>>142861385
You're both retards who should learn how to read what the other person says, because one of you is talking about sales and the other is talking about quality.

>>142861680
Can I say that both of them are bad when it comes to Phantom World?

>>142861672
It was still a noticeable downgrade from their usual standard. It shows that Kyoani doesn't care as much about adaptations they do for other people as much as they do about adaptations on properties they own, even though the properties they own are usually complete garbage.

>>142861830
I doubt that they don't care. They were probably given a low budget for the project since AmaBuri isn't exactly a popular light novel. Apparently Gatoh pushed for KyoAni to do it. Kadokawa most likely wanted some third rate studio.

>>142861920
Kyoani works don't look good because of higher budgets, they look good because Kyoani is good at scheduling.

>>142856605
>>Darker than black
>>Aquarion
To be fair, these aren't her fault. Kawamori's fingerprints are all over the Zessica love triangle, and I believe he's outright said that the dog thing was his idea. For DtB S2, she scripted three fucking episodes (and not the catastrophic last two, either), that's obviously not her fault.

>>142861998
Even with better scheduling practices, if you don't have enough budget it will still not look as good as other shows that still used good scheduling but normal budgets.

What good shows has Okada worked on? I liked NagiAsu and AKB0048 personally.

>>142854940
She worked on Sketchbook and Aria too

>>142856605
She must be fucking great to work with too. She probably writes full scripts in an instant and redoes them as many times as asked.

I will never be Mari Okada sucessor. This despresses me but I will add her persona in my future stories, she is so much fun as a character.

>>142863616
From the titles I watched, NagiAsu, HanaIro and WIXOSS S1 were decent. Also I personally liked Sakurasou but I understand why it is criticized. Everything else was shit.

>>142847625
She shit all over gundam