Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1568

出来ない
来無駄な
な無理来
いな来出

何その画像

つまねぇ

>>142605257
普通でいちばん

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>it's a 五百旗頭 vs. Emperor episode

>>142605389
>subtitle in chinese font

>spend 2 years studying for 狼少女といっしょ
>it's going to be released with eng subs

>>142605554
But it will be way better in Japanese

>>142605621
Yes I suppose that's true...

>>142605554
The original is always better.
Translation is lossy, translation is blocky JPEG while raw is... RAW

What part of speech is とって in 双方にとって expression? Is there kanji for it?

>>142605847
に取って

Need help getting a proper english of this, I'm not even sure I'm getting it correctly though:

> それはフォローするつもりで自然と口にした言葉だった
I said that (or an expression like "it slipped out" would be better?) expecting a natural follow-up...

> 言ってもらって何をするっていうんだ？
Aren't you going to tell me "what are you doing"?
(not really sure on this one)

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こんにちわ

let's say I'm so delusional that I actually think that I can learn japanese to a decent enough level that I can play the japanese version of Persona 5 before it comes out in the west (meaning that I might be decent enough to play it before february, not when it comes out in September).

Where the hell do you even begin? What do japanese games like Persona use as subtitles? Kanji, Katakana? I don't know shit

>>142606138
>こにちわ
今日は

>>142606138
あの舌で私のおちんちんを舐めてください

>>142606185
明日は

>>142606156
First you kill yourself to be reborn with better stats, because currently your character obviously sucks.

If you still want to keep it though, start studying the two alphabets (hiragana and katakana).
Once you've got both permanent into memory, move up to grammar.
It's relatively easy if you've got a nice INT stat.
After your grammar basics are solid, you get to read anything that interests you and with a dictionary you'll gradually get more vocab.

If you know absolutely nothing, if you study it well and don't give up at all I think you'll be ready to play Persona 9 before it comes to the west.

>>142606185
Imabi wa?

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>>142606156

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>>142606156
Do the core 2k and read a grammar guide like Tae Kim or Genki. Then play a Japanese copy of Persona 3/4. Make an Anki deck with words you see in the game that you don't recognize. After that, watch all the Persona 5 trailers and look at the press releases to see if you can find any vocabulary exclusive to that game (probably stuff about thieves). At least, that's what I would do.

>>142606156
You could play it, today. The question is rather how much pain you're willing to go through playing it. If you have to waste too much time looking up words, phrases and grammar it might just ruin the experience.

But I'd say you could probably get to a reasonable enough level before next february, though you willhave to put in work.
>Where the hell do you even begin?
The guide m8 Hiragana and Katakana first of all
>Persona use as subtitles?
All of it I suppose. Kana and Kanji.

>>142606288
>>142606315
>>142606371
>>142606415
I don't care if I have to work on it like a retard, I got nothing to do anyway. English isn't my native language and I've learned everything about it by myself, and yes I know it's a whole another story since we're talking about a different alphabet. I'll try and follow these advices, thanks for that.

>>142605899
You are lying, aren't you?
http://www.jgram.org/pages/viewOne.php?tagE=nitotte

>>142606156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKZtJmt85ns
Does it sound reasonable to understand that in under a year? In a totally foreign and difficult language?

>>142606531
https://kotobank.jp/word/に取って-592456

>>142606156
If you're not independent enough to get started on your own then you might as well not waste your time any further is my advice. You have a thread dedicated to learning Japanese with a guide in the very OP, and an image telling you to read it, yet you're incapable even of that. Do you think learning a language is smooth sailing once you get started?

>>142606531
no that is definitely the verb that is there
it's just acting as a supplementary verb so you will never see that specific expression written in kanji
http://jisho.org/word/%E3%81%AB%E5%8F%96%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6

>>142606538
Doesn't Persona games have subtitles?

>>142606538
well I've been watching anime for years so yeah I definitely recognize a lot of words/expressions and I'm familiar with hearing the language, of course I have no clue if I can really understand it quickly

>>142606621
I've got redirected to this thread, I didn't even read the OP

>>142605330
The "normal" one is great for people afraid of change.

>>142605514
That's a Chinese font?

>>142606693
>I've got redirected to this thread, I didn't even read the OP
From where?

>>142606693
>I didn't even read the OP
You can't be from 4chan if you fucked up the most fundamental step.
Fuck off back from whence you came.

>>142606727
>>142606830
from another thread in 4chan, who the fuck cares? You seriously think anybody is going to link to a fucking /a/ thread from another website to learn japanese?

Bad Hop were cool for a while but now I'm getting tired of Japanese rap, anyone got music recs

>>142606954
I directed a guy here from Sverigetråden on /int/ the other day. Thought he might've coincidentally been you

>>142607010
きのこ帝国 (dream-pop, shoegaze)

>>142607010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oCoObsxGg

爆発しろ

>>142606954
How bout you ignore that part and get to reading the guide you faggot

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>>142607010
アニソン、東方アレンジ

Or THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoYxTQw8cB0

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>>142606954
just read the guide and you'll be a 日本語 マスタ in no time

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Retard question time

Can anyone tell me what this say?

>>142607519
怖がれ
恐怖

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all this for some dumb alarm clock. さすが 日本

Can I take a JLPT online, from my home? Is it free?

>>142607627
The cutest language.

>>142607567
thanks

>>142606234
気持ち悪い

>>142607662
Yes, I will administer the JLPT right now if you like. Remove your pants.

>>142607627
It's long, but at least it's easy to understand.
Waking up clock, i.e. that thing you want to murder every morning.

>>142608020
●REC

>>142607662
No, No.

>>142607882
冗談だよん～
メイビー

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Not too bad for a year, right?

I don't do anywhere near enough reading, those time limits on the vocab and grammar sections were hell.

>>142608500
Pretty standard

>>142608381
うそつけ!
実はこの俺様も動物がマジ大好きです

Dear /DJT/, I am a new college student who has JPN1 starting the 20th. Besides memorizing Hiragana and Katakana, how can I not fail this course? (And maybe learn something)

What does の mean in this sentence

私にはたくさんのお金が必要だ。

>>142608744
>>私には(たくさんのお金)が必要だ。

>>142608736
Do realkana till you know all kana and read the basic and essential sections on Tae Kim
This might be far more than you'll need to know by the end of the course but better safe than sorry.

>>142608744
I need lots _of_ money.

>>142608868
I mean, I get the sentence, but I feel like I don't at the same time. I guess it's because of the adverb is throwing me off.

>>142608736
Start fapping to doujinshi at least 3 times a day

>>142608935
This.
When I increased it from 3 times to 7 times, my reading comprehension skyrocketed.

>>142608736
Do the homework
Go to class for speaking practice

If you study with the guide's resources even a little, or read (presumably Genki) chapters ahead of time, you will blaze past the other weebs

>t. fellow 日本語のクラスの学生

>>142609014
Is this you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM6exo00T5I

Someone should really create a DJT version of this.

>>142609081
>2 times a day
That's some scrub shit

So is there a free program like realkana or an Anki deck that shows stroke order for kanji? im good at recognizing the ones ive done already but when i try to look up new ones i dont know the stroke order and it fucks the search up. Also writing them down over and over properly helps me remember

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>>142608935
>>142609014
Thanks I' up my quota from 1 to 3. These are some solid tips. Thanks

>>142608917
>>142609022
Meme-wworthy advice, but I'll make a note of it.

>>142609081
>2 times a day
I'm way more of a lost cause than he is.

>>142609448
left-right top-down by radical.

>>142609448
Have you not done radicals? If you learn stroke order of radicals there won't be many kanji that you won't be able to write

>>142609448
If you're going to go through the effort of learning the stroke order, you might as well learn the radicals and search using them. At least, that's what I did and it's worked out fairly good for me.

>>142606121
No one? Just checking if it's correct would help a lot because I'm not really sure about the dialogue.

For stuff like 行き, is there any nuance or preference in usage for the different pronunciations (いき or ゆき)?

>>142609756
I think the meaning is the same, ゆき is just more archaic.

>>142608500
Worse than me after ~1 year of slacking off half the time

>>142609603
I looked at it, but I can't really tell. Sorry. The second one is probably more like
>What are you saying I should do, having been told that
Or something. But I'm guessing.

>>142608500
That's actually pretty bad for a year lol.

I got 204 after 8 months, and 4 of those were just doing kanji in anki.

>>142606727
it's some retard from /v/, they had a thread making fun of EOPs getting the gayme late and he posted some shitty broken japanese 101 sentence in romaji to prove he "knows" a bit of Japanese

>>142610138
Link ? This sounds like comedy gold.

>>142609481
>>142609509
>>142609567
no i didnt, thanks fellas ill look into them

>>142610326
Don't wanna look for it, I saw it yesterday. I think the sentence he wrote was "anata ga kuso wo tabette" or something like that.

>>142609603
Isn't that first one more like
"That was the natural thing to say when expecting a followup"

Where did you get "slipped out" from?

Idk though I don't like giving advice because I'm bad

Hanahira is garbage tho. I'm a yurifag and even I dropped it a few hours in. Literally any moege would be fine for beginners.

>>142610850
Meant for >>142610203

>>142610528
The slip isn't literal, is to fit better the 口にした言葉. I don't remember seeing this before, but going with a simple "said" would be weird I guess.
From this dictionary, it means "to talk":
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/61881/meaning/m0u/

I think you're right about the natural thing being said, not the follow-up, thanks!

>>142610492
Thanks, anon.

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I can't find the last character, can someone paste it? Unless it's trad. Chinese

>>142611025
迅

It's that isn't it?

It took me way too long to realise that wasn't a 刃

God damn 辺 fucking with my head

>>142611248
Holy shit, I was getting mindfucked searching for it, but that makes sense.

>Dear Helicopter Cherry

>We have received your request of registration. You will receive your password within 72 hours after your information is verified.

>You can take the J-CAT once for 6 months.

>once for 6 months
Fuck this shit. I want it daily.

>>142611618
J-Cat's not really that great, not something you'd wanna do all the time at least

Couldn't you just make multiple accounts anyway?

>>142611248
Oh right, I got that one but I got the 3rd one wrong. looks like 日 at the bottom but it's 田
獅子奮迅

>>142611747
For future reference, if you knew the first two, you could have just typed in

獅子??

On jisho, and you would have found it

>>142611824
wasn't sure it was really yoji but could've checked I guess

What does お前には無理だから諦めとけ mean ?
It's impossible for you so give up ?

>>142611856
Weak man, did you even try drawing it in google translate? Make a little more effort before posting about it here.

>>142611903
that's literally what I did you retard, otherwise I wouldn't have posted the full thing obviously

>>142611895
Yes

>>142611930
That is strangely motivating. さすが /a/

>>142611927
I just tried and it gives you the answer immediately, don't lie you dumb fag.

>>142611618
There aren't that many questions. You'll end up knowing the answer just by virtue of recognizing the questions if you do it too often.

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d-dont know where else to ask this

i'm finally getting to Record of Lodoss War, is the full 27 episode TV show recommended alongside the 13 part OVA? im assuming it is but can i get confirmation?

>>142612227
It's not as good as OVA, but I had fun watching it.

>>142612227
>>142612275
fuck off

>>142612227
Not sure what you mean by "recommended".

The first Lodoss were the OVAs, they tell the story of some dudes and came out first, so I'd recommend you watch that first.

After that is the TV series, which is longer and comes after time-wise iirc, I don't think it was that good but the OP is epic.

>>142612227
How is this related to /djt/? I hope you get banned.

>>142612447
If anime is not related to this thread, then how is it allowed to be on /a/?

>>142612447
Anime is listening practice and this is still /a/

>>142612480
>how is it allowed to be on /a/?

Good question, but since it is allowed on /a/, posts should pertain to learning Japanese.

>>142612447
This is a joke, right? RIGHT?

>>142612538
No fag, don't ask for recs in an unrelated general.

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>>142612767
Nanashi*

NAMELESS. I was a 'tist in HS so I chose Nameless as my Jap name.

>>142612767
>>142612812
You're not making much of a case for yourself gotta be honest

why does doing my reps have to take so long

>>142612614
Don't listen to this shitposter. /a/ related stuff (which includes anime) are welcome here, and even more so if it has anything related to japanese, which... oh dear, Lodoss does! What a TWIST.

>>142612767
Please, just stop breathing, you're wasting oxygen.

>>142612886
Reduce your new cards

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>>142612955
>shits on both of us

>>142612886
あきらめろ、名無し君

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>>142612957
>Feel like shit
>Decide I won't do any new cards that day
>Nothing has changed and I haven't done new cards for almost a week

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>>142612767

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>Half way through core 6k.
>Currently studying N3 grammar
>Can't even read half this scene.

I can read it all and I recognise all the words, but I just can't seem to work out wtf he's saying.

>>142613430
How many new cards do you usually do per day and how many do you have to review per day ?

>>142613622
ネバーギブアップ

Average new cards/day for past month? I'm at 41.9 atm

>>142613622
Just goes to show that vocab is useless in the end if you don't understand the grammar first.

>>142606185
今日は熱いです。
'Good afternoon it's hot' or 'it's hot today'?

Are there any decent places for Japanese and English people trying to learn each others language to hang out and talk to each that's not overrun by normalfags like /int/japanese?

>>142613750
Are they really including that speech bubble because of these threads? Or is it a meme elsewhere as well?

>>142613750

Gonna preorder this as soon as it goes up. First official DJT merch, if you don't get it you're a fraud.

>>142613622
the fuck is written next to 質 (or at least what looks like 質)

>>142613759
"It's hot today" 100% of the time.

>>142613622
>Currently studying N3 grammar
こんにちは reddit

>>142613906
How did you know?
Konichiawa

>>142613622
I mean, here's my attempt at a translation, I know you guys say to try and "understand" as opposed to "translate but I still struggle to "understand".

このもつれ合って揉んでしまうシーン参考に

This scene where [they] embrace [each other] and massage completely. (Agreement?)

主人公が初めて女の子の胸を揉むシーン

The scene where the protagonist for the first time massages the girls (wtf?) chest.

同じ男として最高の質で仕上げてやりたい

I want to be as the man who completes the highest quality [of manga?]

I just don't fucking understand this shit

What is a normal study routine like for you all, /djt/? Do you study every day? How long are your study sessions? What do you do in them?

>>142613759
×熱い　○暑い

>>142613735
Pretty much - I dunno wtf the do now.

>>142613701
It's hard not to. 日本語ができない

>>142613815
俺は日本人だから英語はわからない。

>>142613987
今日は冷たいですよね？

>>142614020
It's simple. Invest more time in grammar and reading and less time into drilling vocab.

>>142614079
×冷たい　　○寒い

今日は寒いですよね？
はい、寒いですね。

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>>142613906
What does that even mean?

>>142613985
1-2 hours of listening practice
1 hour of anki
3-5 hours of reading
4-5 hours of translating/editing

Well that's what it was before this fucking heat came around, now I barely have the energy to get out of bed in the morning

>>142614167
Wow, so this is what being unemployed is like.

>>142614205
It would be great if money wasn't a thing

>>142613958

Mine:
> The reference for this scene where they get up tangled from a massage...

> This scene where the protagonist is going to rub a girl's boobs for the first time...

> As a fellow man, I want to give it the best quality ending ever...!

It's not that hard, even if mine isn't perfect, it's totally understandable... sounds like your grammar is lacking a LOT.

>>142614144
What should I be reading? I went on the reading list in the OP and マンが家さんとアシスタントさん was listed as "easy".

>>142614079
your dick is 冷たい

>>142613958
>このもつれ合って揉んでしまうシーン(を)参考に(して)
Learn from this scene of the progagonist getting tangled up an grabbing the girls chest
>The scene where the protagonist for the first time massages the girls (wtf?) chest.
Yes. You know, those scenes where the protagonist bumps into a girl, falls to the ground and accidentally grabs her chest
>同じ男として最高の質で仕上げてやりたい
Being a man myself, I want to draw the scene with the highest quality

That's how I read it anyway.

So he's like looking at some other manga and admiring how this scene is drawn there.

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>>142613985

>wake up
>do reviews (~300/day at the moment)
>do new words (systematically learning all jouyou kanji through mined vocab, both kunyomi and onyomi)
>later in the evening, mine new words for the next day

I have been doing this for a couple months now. I probably just should have been reading instead, but I chose this method and I'm sticking with it until I finish all the jouyou kanji. I don't necessarily recommend people do it like I am but whatever. Only a few hundred to go. At least after this the only new kanji I will be encountering while reading will be jinmeiyou so it should go quite a bit faster.

>>142613622
>Currently studying N3 grammar
Do they just not teach grammar for N5 and N4?

冷たい（触って温度を測るもの）お湯とか氷とか
寒い　（気温）

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What verb is あらわず here? 洗う seems wrong. Speaker is hiding from some monster underground and saying from what I understand that they definitely won't get found.

>>142613985
core reps when i wake up, kanjidamage reps in the middle of the day, read yotsubato a bit at night and then read some tyler kim right before i sleep.

>>142614272
Don't know. I read whatever interests me, though that's a hit and miss, so I really can't say.

>>142614265
I don't think I'd ever have thought to translate 同じ男 as "fellow man".

You're way better than me

>>142614151
He probably has an intimate knowledge of reddit users who study Japanese himself, and the sorts of things they talk about.
It's not something we would understand I guess. Just one reddit user saying hello to another.

>>142614278
My dick is 固い

>>142614340
Man, it makes so much more sense when I see you guys translate it.

I didn't realise that を might be omitted.

>>142614355
Of course they do, but the hardest stuff in N4 (for example) is 敬語. Everything else is just very basic stuff.

>>142614358
>洗う
ＹＥＳ
しかし、その文章は少し日本語がおかしいです。

>>142613985
In anki:
Hiragana/Katakana flashcards (purely review right now)
Kanji flashcards (mostly to get recognition and stroke order down). I learn 5 new kanji/day.
Vocab flashcards taken from Genki.
Review using custom study if I feel like it.
That all takes about 20-30 minutes. Then I lurk here and on IRC for a few hours.

Definitely going too slow, but I've been keeping this up for a month now so at least I made it a habit rather than burning out straight away.

>>142614393
Are you >>142614340 ?
Your 1st sentence is more correct, mine doesn't even make sense in english, although I'd question the words you were inferring there...

Since I know the series (don't remember if I read it all though) I'd guess he has asked or is going to ask her to feel her boobs to give for "reference" of that scene...

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So how long do the nips think people live?

>>142614561
三国志のパロディーなので古代語でしょうか

>>142614848
about 90～100 くらい。

>>142614848
It's not uncommon for Japanese people to live over 300 years.

>>142614851
普通の現代語です。
上の文章と下の文章のつながりが意味不明です。

>>142614788
>Are you >>142614340 (You) ?
No, I am.
>although I'd question the words you were inferring there...
I admittedly did some, probably bad, guesswork.

Been studying for a few months now, got around 400 kanji matured and 1150 vocab, working slowly through grammar as well, but due to some sudden family circumstances I'll have to go out of town and likely not have the time or computer resources to study for a month or so. Realistically how badly should I expect this to set me back? I'm not going to have to basically start over, am I? I would be heartbroken if I got back and had basically forgotten everything.

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What is /djt/ drinking right now?

>>142614988
I found that "guessing" is kinda normal during translation because english usually needs much more words to give the same meaning of some small japanese sentences...
When you don't have context it feels even more lacking too.

That's why I respects guys who translate and why I prefer to simply read and think "in japanese" (ongoing work here).

>>142615110
no

>>142615090
You don't have a スマホ with the anki app installed?

>>142615090
Just download Anki on your phone.

Is it bad to make the "new day" start later and end up using Anki twice in the same day?

>>142615168
Original flavored Mtn Dew

>>142615168
H2O

>>142615168
Small amounts of toothpaste-mixed saliva

>>142615197
no

>>142615168
愛液

>>142615223
You're fuckin sick dude

>>142614968
>３ 隠れている事柄を調べあげる。「身元を―・う」
で分かりました
英語翻訳の方は分かりづらかった
確認して上げてありがとうございます

下の文は、地下で見つけられなくて安全と言ってる

>>142615172
>>142615183
I plan to try, but regardless I don't think I'll have the time to really keep up my daily routine as I've been doing up to now, so I think it best to figure out what the worst case is, assuming I accomplish basically nothing while I'm away.

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>>142615168
麦茶

>>142615251
俺も

>>142615281
Fuckin weeb

>>142615168
台湾産の新茶

>>142615279
You could reduce or eliminate new cards.

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>>142615281
ダメだよ、汚い

>>142615263
OK
×確認して上げてありがとうございます
○確認してくれてありがとうございます

>>142615279
If you're stressed on time then just do reviews. It shouldn't take a lot of time unless you've got 100s of reviews. But if you absolutely won't be able to, then you'll probably forget a quite a bit depending on how well you've memorized them, but restarting shouldn't be too hard as you've learned them once already. I actually had this happen and could comfortably do 50 words per day and remember them all.

>>142615405
日本茶より健康になれるよ。

>>142615315
俺日本人だしｗｗ

>>142615418
ウップス

>>142615168
moxie cola

>>142615705
fack me.

>>142615748
みっともない見栄

I aｍ bed time.good bye all.
エロイことばかり勉強するなよ。

>>142615906
黙れ、お母さん！

>>142606156
I started learning back when the first real trailer was revealed, what took you so long?

>>142606415
>You could play it, today.
He can't because it comes out in September.

How often does it show the hiragana next to the kanji in VN's, Manga etc?

>>142616810
You shouldn't count on it unless you're reading a shounen.

>>142616810
In babby manga all the time, in good ones not so often. Don't expect any furigana in VNs, it's extremely rare.
Furigana is pretty useless to people who don't already know Japanese anyway.

残念ながら、
ボクは日本語を身につけることが出来ない。

皆さんが頑張って諦めないよって

しかし
一人で無理だろう。それで切腹のしかない。

>>142617148
Why? You can write a sentence better than most in this thread.

>>142617148
介錯してあげます

>>142617148
名無しくん、思い出して、ネバーギブアップ

マリア様に見守られるなら、世界を敵に回しても怖くありません。

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I need help with something simple and stupid.

I read somewhere some time ago the expression to say "for the first time in one's life".

If I recall correctly, it was something like 生まれてはじめて
But I am confused as how to use it.
For example, if I intend to say I am happy for teh first time in my life, I came up with the following:

生まれてはじめて幸せです

But it feels wrong.
Can anyone help with this and provide a few examples?

>>142616975
>Don't expect any furigana in VNs, it's extremely rare.
This is patently untrue, it's very common for VNs to have furigana for difficult or rare vocabulary.

>>142617622
Just google it and read the sentences it turns up in... Are you seriously this clueless?

Why is it called ニューハーフ?

>>142615987
just fyi: there's a massive dissonance between the 命令形 verb and the fairly respectful お母さん.

Maybe it's "technically okay" grammatically, but it's something a native speaker would probably never say.

>>142617875

"Shut the fuck up, mother!"

>>142617678
I tried that, and all it turns up is a song from Frozen and instances of 生まれてはじめて as is with no context or without actually being used in a sentence.

>>142618010
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E7%94%9F%E3%81%BE%E3%82%8C%E3%81%A6%E5%88%9D%E3%82%81%E3%81%A6

>>142617930
yeah, dude, I can read it.
I'm just saying that mixing politeness in japanese like that is extremely marked.

Requesting help with a sentence:

> 俺の記憶ではクラスの中の下らへん目立たないような位置に居た
> (long descriptive text about her that I'm lazy to type) 彼女が

I'm uncertain about the subject in the first sentence, and about the -らへん form. Googling I found it to be "where, whereabouts", both in english and from a japanese post, but I'm not making much sense with it.

> 俺の記憶では
(in my memories)

> クラスの中の下らへん
(among the class' foolishness?)

> 目立たないような位置に居た
(there was <subject> doing as not to stand out)

Can I assume the subject is the talker, or, from the next sentence, 彼女?
Is there any tips on figuring this out easier? I feel I'm always too reliant on context and when there isn't one I feel sorta lost...

>>142617875
Yeah, in hindsight it does sound kind of off.
アリゲーターございます、先輩

>>142618169
i think the speaker wears overalls and lives in the swamps of southern japan

>>142617677
That's what I mean by extremely rare, one word in 10 000 got furigana and it's of no use to you because you don't know what the word means anyway.

>>142618169
へん　＝　ない

「クラスの中の下らへん目立たない」　is one clause.

I can't tell who is the subject without more context.

>>142618136
Thanks, anon.

>>142618326
>(long descriptive text about her that I'm lazy to type)

innit

>>142618326
buddy, I don't know how you think you're supposed to read 下らへん, but that へん doesn't mean ない.

I suggest you take a look at this:
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1257888302

>>142605554
Don't put all your tadpoles in one basket, dumb frogposter.

>>142618435
>http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1257888302

Are you trolling?

>>142618435
下らない

>>142618298
>>142618326
That's what I'm assuming, but I wasn't certain, thanks!

If you want more context, a guy meets a girl from a long time ago, and she's totally different, so he starts his inner dialogue with that "from my memories..." and after a description of her, he ends with "she looks like a completely different person (生物, which I found funny dunno why)"

I'm guessing the subject is "her", but I'm not entirely sure.
But from what you said that is one clause, I can't make sense of it. Could you provide the meaning of that?

"among my class' foolishness that didn't stand out"?

>>142618435
Like the previous guys said, that's sounds like some dialect which you should've heard in anime before (I know I did), that's why I was asking.

>>142618517
>trolling

honestly don't know what makes you think that. If you actually read the link you'd see what らへん actually means in this context.


>>142618593
>下らない

So the speaker is just switching his dialect on and off between two literally consecutive words? (下らへん目立たない)

guess again.

>>142618626
>"among my class' foolishness that didn't stand out"?

An 位置 that was both 下らない and 目立たない

>>142618721
professional tip every ない doesnt become へん

am i supposed to be memorizing all of the conjugation rules in tae kim or is it enough if i just get the general idea

>>142618971
yes

>>142618817
I think I got it then, although this sentence still feels a bit weird to me.

("adjusting" to english, although it still sounds bad heh)
She was in a foolish place that didn't stand out in my class...

>>142618817
Oh and I forgot to add, thanks to everyone who helped!

>>142618971
Only if you want to learn japanese.

>>142618817
>>142618869

okay now I'm just completely confused about why you're all so sure you're right.

have any of you tried just googling for 下らへん?
every single result I can find uses it to mean 下ら辺

I'd be very interested to see a solid counter-argument rather than accusations of trolling.

>>142619064
If you assume that the most common reading is used 100% of the time, you cannot learn Japanese. Just because it's on the front page of google it doesn't mean that a less common interpretation is never used.

>>142619064
I'm the one who asked, but what I can say is... 下らない isn't a verb, らへん is a conjugation, which makes it grammatically inviable if you just think about it that way.

And also, if you've watched some anime you might remember the おじさん saying 下らへん! to kids around him when they ask something he doesn't want to.

>>142618169
中の下 is ちゅうのげ to mean "lower middle of the class ranking"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVahUJX-CA8

>>142619220
>下らない isn't a verb
下る

>>142619236
...true, but then the らへん wouldn't make sense, would it?

>>142619298
You know that kanji has like a zillion and two definitions and that 下らない is marked as an i-adjective, right?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/下らない

>>142619393
>...true, but then the らへん wouldn't make sense, would it?
It makes perfect sense with the answer already given to you >>142618435

>>142619132
>most common reading
>it's on the front page of google

wait, so now you're admitting it's the most common reading?

but I'm still trolling?

I'm just not seeing a solid explanation for your posts other than you having made a mistake and not wanting to admit it.

>>142619422
fucking thank you

>>142619298
Actually, he's right. It is treated as a 形容詞 in modern japanese. This is evidenced by the fact that it conjugates like くだらなそう instead of くだらなさそう

論議めっちゃくだらへん爆笑

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnJMBcQFNME

Today I worked for close to 12 hours, with no free time except that I used to eat, do essential chores, and exercise eating eating up another 2 hours. I now sit with 1.5 hours until anki moves to the next day.

For the first time in over a year, I didn't do my reps.

>>142619422
If you wanted to confuse me, you got it... I came here with a doubt, now I'm with two.

>>142619450
Of course it's the most common reading. The point is that the most common one is not always used, you dumb shit.
For example 今日は can often mean "nowadays/these days" instead of being a greeting.

>>142619064
(((クラスの中の下)<-そこらへん)<-目立たないような位置)に居
下 reads as した here
Among the classmates she was at the bottom, where she didn't stand out.

>>142619546
What is confusing? Just put together the two posts >>142619422
>>142618435

>>142619636
dude you cant just tell them that fuck

>>142619564
>For example 今日は can often mean "nowadays/these days" instead of being a greeting.
actually it usually will because the way natives differentiate is by usually writing こんにちは in kana.

>>142619636
wrong, wrong, wrong. げ is the reading.
I bet you were the 下の下 of the class.

>>142619636
下 reads as した here
Being at the bottom would stand out. Being ちゅうのげ does not.

>>142619662
Fuck off jamal you don't know japanese

>>142619564
Doesn't 今日は mean "today" not "nowadays" ?

>>142619755
today / these days
depends on context

>>142619564
your answer, to the question given, was incorrect. you can talk all you like about it being a less common use of the term, but Occam's razor, and the fact that you can't give a solid explanation of why your answer is right, would suggest that you are, in fact, wrong.

>>142619636
Now I'm with three doubts. Nice going man.

>>142619691
I'm thinking that reading is the one that makes most sense, something like "she was in the middle bottom in the class, where she didn't stand out"

With both readings した and ちゅうのげ the meaning is almost the same, besides a few ranks up or down... くだらへん isn't making much sense now.

Whew, this one was hard, many thanks for the help!

>>142619853
>くだらへん isn't making much sense now.
hallelujah! the scales have fallen from his eyes!

>>142619696
dang what bug crawled up your bunghole 知らなければいいのに

>>142619696
>>142619691
Oh shit, my bad.
It only further disproves the retarded kansai-ben idea, though.

>>142619848
>Occam's razor in a fucking language discussion.
Sorry, you are clinically retarded. Keep believing everything only ever uses the most common reading in Japanese, you have a bright future ahead of you.

>>142619853
した is 100% wrong
Bottom third of the class is げ even if it isn't part of ちゅうのげ
so it would either be クラスのなかのげ
or くらすのちゅうのげ
and the latter is clearly the correct one

>>142619939
That's not how you use that grammar structure

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If I learn Japanese can I do this?

>>142619923
No need to exaggerate, when I don't know something I think it's normal to ask and listen/read all opinions and think for myself... I couldn't go and simply say "no they're wrong" when I'm asking for help, can I?

But really, many many thanks, this was harder than I expected.

Also, to whoever posted the GJ-bu opening, thanks for the awesome music.

>>142620094
Of course anon, just go to Tokyo, find the closest high school and ask the teachers about 援助交際斡旋

>>142620009
when the only person in the thread with complete context for the passage says your explanation sounds wrong, it's time to admit defeat.

>>142620021
what grammar structure

>>142620147
You still don't understand, do you? It doesn't matter which reading is correct. It doesn't matter who was right or not.

What matters is that one guy tried to prove his right by "front page of google", "most common reading" or even bloody "Occam's razor". An attitude like this is completely unforgivable and a shining example of 出来ない.

>>142620228
i dont think that matters either tho youre just doing what he did actually actin a cunt LoL

>>142620164
Phrase-specific terms are grammaticalized language features.

>>142620405
oh ok

>>142620228
You don't have to worry about being BTFO this much when you're anonymous, calm down.

>>142620325
>>142620568
>I've never read anything above Hanahira club
Remember to look up a J-J dictionary when google front page doesn't have your answer.

>>142620568
this

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>>142620228
>It doesn't matter which reading is correct. It doesn't matter who was right or not.
it matters who was right, yes, that's literally the entire point of figuring something out
>An attitude like this is completely unforgivable and a shining example of 出来ない.
acting like you didn't do anything wrong when you give wrong advice to other people is the shining example of 出来ない, sakurautist

>>142620918
It's not the destination what matters, but the journey. Getting the right answer with a bad method will bite you in the ass very soon.

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>>142620228
>You still don't understand, do you?

いや、わかりました。フフフ...ガハハハ！

>>142620639
*pushes up glasses* *leans back*

>>142621003
>It's not the destination what matters, but the journey. Getting the right answer with a bad method will bite you in the ass very soon.
this might surprise you but you're not the one that judges the journey bub
one person might have been speedhacking their logic with some shortcuts but the other person was just spouting literal nonsense

>>142621009
ボクはゲイってわかりました

>>142621035
There were 5 people giving 5 different answers. 4 out of those were wrong.
"We got the right answer in the end, so it's fine that we were randomly guessing and arguing with occam's razor and google front page example" mentality is exactly what makes this thread a laughingstock.

>>142621092
the only thing im lollin at is this post honestly ばくshow

>>142621092
>There were 5 people giving 5 different answers. 4 out of those were wrong.
that's because most people here don't know japanese
>so it's fine that we were randomly guessing and arguing with occam's razor and google front page example
this might surprise you but using logical shortcuts is not "guessing" and the person who got the right answer was the one using logical shortcuts, not the person claiming to know what they were talking about.
>is exactly what makes this thread a laughingstock.
No, anon, you are the laughingstock.

Post
>cards seen in Anki
>last chapter read of よつばと

>>142621061
If practice was "fun" rather than just rewarding, there would be a lot more people mastering languages, musical instruments, drawing, etc.

>>142619939
>知らなければいいのに
What did you think you were saying when you wrote this?

I can't seem to hit a rate of 20 new added cards per day. I end up with an extremely large pool of really bad leeches that don't even commit to my short term memory. Like, 40+ cards every day that I don't remember even if I saw it literally ten seconds ago. Help. I reduced my load by making my initial interval 2 days instead of 1 day and it didn't affect my retention, but I can still just barely do my reps despite skipping adding cards a majority of days. I currently have 44 suspended leeches and that's after unsuspending everything thus far as of a month ago.

>>142621429
ching chong chang wangって言ったかも

それらの穴はもしかして虫による物かも.私もモス用のラベンダーの匂いがきれてくると穴が空いてることが多いです。私だけかもしれませんが。

Having issues understanding this. Did she say after she stopped using lavender smells many holes appeared due to moths?

私も
I also
モス用のラベンダーの匂い
moth (control) usage lavender smell
が きれてくる
terminated
と穴が空いてることが多いです
many holes appeared

>>142621365
Cards seen in Anki: 9750
よつばと chapters: None. I don't really feel ready to start reading yet.

>>142621559
Radical/kanji study. Mnemonics.

>>142621842
>Radical/kanji study
done
>Mnemonics
don't work for me, I have a five second verbal memory

>>142621003
And the "don't look up anything and make a retarded guess it's kansai-ben" was the right method?

I'm about to take jcat, wish me luck comrades.

>>142621708
Sounds right to me assuming モス is moth but I've only seen 蛾

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>even if you do learn japanese you will have to continue consuming japanese media for the rest of your life in order to avoid forgetting

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>>142622228
i know. isnt it wonderful

>>142622081
trust me based on the source its def moth

>>142622228
>you will have to do 40 minutes of anki reps each day for the rest of your life or you will forget everything

>>142622548
>you must play 40 minutes of ved gem or shitpost 40 minutes a day otherwise you get bored
>you must spend 40 mins a day eating and preparing food every day

>you must spend 6-8 hours sleeping every day to live

just take it out of your sleeping time senpai, dont think of it as a task its kinda fun actually

>>142622932
>just take it out of your sleeping time
If you take 40 minutes out of your sleeping time it lowers your brain function so much that it takes 2-3 hours of extra studying to make up for it.

>>142622228
Steve claims that after hardly using Mandarin at all for 9 years, when he came back to it again he was actually better at it.

>>142623536
Oh, and I seem to remember him saying he had the same experience with some other languages too.

>>142620123
>No need to exaggerate

sorry. I'm just sick and tired of the blind leading the blind and then screaming like children from the peak of mount stupid when they're called out on it.

I get that we're all learners and none of us are native, but insisting that you're right out of pure stubbornness is harmful to everyone trying to learn here.

>>142623634
your opinion and posting is harmful if you care about djt you will stop posting immediately

>>142622899
"Oh my god, he's LITERALLY sucking on **TRILLIONS** of dicks!"

>>142605257
つまんねぇ

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These kanji represent the position of SEX
They are referred to as 四十八手

>>142622228
just like you consume English every day of your life.

>>142622228
>being on /a/ and complaining about having to consume Japanese media
ha

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>>142622046
>6 months ago
>did nothing but tae kim and core2k deck
>no idea what I'm doing
>can barely figure out manga
>take jcat
>200 points

>now
>read a bunch of LNs and VNs
>finished some video games
>understand most of the shit I come across
>retake jcat
>214 points
Well fuck me.

>>142622228
Why else would you need to learn it?

>>142622899
八百万 is one of my favorite words in Japanese.

>>142624374

I'm doing nothing but the core2k deck at the moment.

I have no idea what im doing, the guide is about as newbie-friendly as a pit of snakes.

>>142624374
It's just one test which means it could vary something like 40 from your "real" score, which means for all you know you went from 160 to 250

Honestly based on the fact that everyone in this thread seems to get 200ish easily I think that it just biases a bit towards that level. I doubt you were actually N2 level after just Tae Kim and Core 2k.

>>142624374
are you me?

>>142624450
EIGHT BIRRION GODS

>>142624450
what about 八百長 and 八百屋 and ヤオイ

>>142624456
Here's the old guide that doesn't argue with itself:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ynwmcFwy0ccT70cVRp-G97fYlcf-GYZ86T62SvQMDdY/edit?usp=sharing

>>142624966

So, since I know the kana, from this point my steps should be:

-daily core2k
-daily Tae Kim

And then when I'm a good way through those

-Find low-level manga to read, using the dictionary and grammar resources to help me along

Holy shit, why can't you people just put something that simple in there? Instead you need 6 sections with 4 sub-sections each to say something so simple.

>>142624561
>I think that it just biases a bit towards that level.
I think that bias comes from the time limits.
Like in reading section both full kana baby questions and a newspaper wall of text have 3 minute limit. Intermediates come, destroy kana questions but run out of time on newspaper ones, so everyone is left at about 200, which I guess is "good job getting all the kana shit right, boy" level.

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おにいちゃんいじわるばっかり

もうだいっきらい

>>142625660
"good job getting all the kana shit right" should be like low N3 at the most though

>>142625888
出て行け、偽いもうとめ

>>142625888
いもうとはウンコばかり
もうだいっげり

Does core6k have mistakenly written 周り as 回り? Example sentence for it even uses 周り. Weird though.

>>142624561
It might be biased towards 200ish but at the same time, if you are at the point where you would do a test like this you are probably near that level anyways. Then there's the whole getting lucky on questions you know or just guessing correctly

Basically the test would need to be atleast twice as long to get accurate results, which you have the JLPT for

I have literally stopped memorizing whether a verb is transitive or not. By that I mean, for example, in anki, I don't differentiate between 集める and 集まる at all.

>>142626141
I never even tried. Exposure will sort it out in the long run.

>>142626212
Same.

>>142624450
>>142624627
What about 八百比丘尼

After finishing the core 6k, what JLPT level will/should I be at?

子供を集める
子供が集まる

>>142626527
n2

おはよう！

>>142626527
N1余裕で超えてるんじゃない？

>>142605254
That sentence has been bugging me. Why is 一日included? Wouldn't the sentence have the same meaning if it was left out?

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I can't Japanese.

>>142627238
>超えてる
迚も出来ない

I just had my ass kicked by Anki today - the first ten new words stuck, but the latter ten just felt too "foreign" to my mind and I could only bruteforce memorize them. I need to look up examples later, and hope that I see some of these usages IRL soon. I hate losing confidence like this.

>>142626527
Close to N2, but be sure to not focus so much on Anki, and just use it as a supplement to actual studying - it shouldn't be the main focus of your studies.

>>142627527
おまえがな

>>142627619
否