>Character literally says "Bye bye." >"Subs:

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>>142384851
>Character says Papa
>Subs say dad/father

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>Character says "Zankyuu"
>Subs say "Thanks"

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>Character says Keikaku doori.
>subs say "According to plan."

>Character says "Gomen"
>Subs say "Thanks"

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>character says some reference that's vague even in Japanese
>TL note : If you're Japanese you should understand this

>character says "eeeeehhhhhh"
>subs say "eh"

>Character says Sensei
>Subs say the sensei's name.

>character says Tonio Trussardi
>subs say Tonio Trendy

>character says Reddo Hotto Chirri Peppahsu
>subs say Chili Pepper

>character says KURASHI DIAMONE
>subs say Shining Diamond

>character says EKKOSU
>subs say Reverb

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>Character says HAAAAAAAAAAHH???
>Subs say "What?"

>>142384851
>Character says "aa"
>Subs say "Yes, I understnad. Thank you."

>>142386933
This is because of legal issues

>character says "bad mass communication"
>subs say "bad mass media"
Funiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

>character says "-san"
>subs say "mr./ms."

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>character says biribiri
>dub says bug zapper

>passerby/onlooker says something
>subs say nothing

>>142384851
Because 'bye bye' is English. Using English in Japanese is slang, which has a different connotation than using the Japanese words for the thing, so subs sometimes translate it differently to give it that sort of informal connotation. I agree it's kinda dumb when 'bye bye' is also slangy in English but it makes more sense for things like >>142385123 when 'sankyuu' is very informal while translating it literally as 'thank you' has the opposite effect than translating it as 'thanks' would.

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Okay, let's hear your completely amateur opinion on how a language you know maybe a word or two of should be interpreted into a language you can barely write well yourself. Wasei-eigo isn't one-to-one either.
If you can't do that then you should stop being so mad about it and maybe go actually learn the language so you never have to worry or shitpost about it again.

>>142387277
>character says Zappy Dan the Magnet Man
>sub says Bill Cosby

>>142384851
>Character says "Smith John"
>Subs say "John Smith"

>Character literally says "style"
>Subs: "great body"

wow it's like literally already in English

what a retard translator

>>142384851
Character says: "Good evening"
Subs say: "Hi"

>>142387873
>character says NIIIIICE BODY DESU
>subs say "Wow Saki, your figure looks so curvaceous today!"

>Read the hentai expecting normal loli
>So far so good
>Suddenly her VAGINA PROLAPSES

I fucking barfed. WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT?

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>Character says "...Eh?" while sweatdropping
>Subs: There are no subs

>Character says "something something night"
>Translator's installed censor intervened
>***ght
>They don't notice because that's normal on their computer

>Character says the Japanese equivalent of "normalfag"
>Translator used to use normalfag, but got complaints
>Now uses a less accurate translation
>Gotta coddle all the babies trapped in 30-year-old bodies

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>>142388302
Meant ***ht, now my post is ruined.

>character says lolicon
>subs say pedophile

>Character says "onigiri"
>Subs say: "onigiri*"
>*Onigiri is a ball made of rice
>Dub says "donut"
>The riceball is replaced with a photoshopped donut

>There's no karaoke in the OP and ED

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>Character says Crazy Diamond
>sub says Shining Diamond
STOP

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>character says "Jersey"
>subs say "Jacket"
Fucking Commie subs.

Can someone explain the weird fucking Jojo subs? The MC says Crazy Diamond, the subs says Shining Diamaond, or the other way around, I don´t even know. I just remember it doesn´t match. What the fuck?

>>142386933
>character says "Jei Guile!"
>subs say "Centerfold"

>>142388302
>Character says "...Eh?" while sweatdropping
>Subs: There are no subs
What a pleb. I don't need subs for that line because I am Canadian.

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>>142388564
>japanese lyrics
>the karaoke is in fucking english instead of kanji, kana, or romaji

>>142388733
i think it's because they want to avoid copyright conflicts

>character says "You have to address your superior more politely."
>dub says "Are you one of those Gamergate creepshows?"

>>142384851
>Burgers
>Jelly Donut
>Phoenix wright

>>142388733
>>142388956 is correct, though if they really wanted to, they COULD use the copyrighted names. It is protected by US law, the problem is, they might be forced to take it to court with some dickhead musician and their label, which would cost an arm and a leg in legal fees, even if they're in the right.

>>142384851
Saying bye bye is some faggot shit if you aren't talking to a girl.

If you over 15 and say that shit should kys.

>>142389338
Wow, you are so tough, Internet Tough Guy.

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>>142384851
>Character says BICCHI
>They clearly mean slut.
>Translators translate as "bitch"

Just because they're saying english words doesn't mean they mean what they think it means.

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>>142386933

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>>142385058
dude..

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>>142387546
"Bye Bye" and "see you later" mean the exact same thing you moron

>character says itadakimasu
>subs say rub a dub dub thanks for the grub
Everytime

>>142387163
FUCKING THIS

>>142389436
Japanese use of bitch is actually correct to the original meaning though.

>>142387163
>>142389600
>using subs that exclude honorifics

No excuse. It's the single easiest thing to loan over from the Japanese language on top of being impossible to actually translate.

>character says shouganai
>subs says it can't be helped

>Omaera
>"Y'all"

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>character says a sentence in japanese
>subs translate it to the english meaning
WOW WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND

>>142390302
I guess it really can't be helped

>>142384851
>character says "donmai"
>subs don't translate it as Don't mind.

>>142389525
Not at all. See you later implies you will see them later. Bye bye can be forever.

>>142384851
>>142385058
he did a very good job of carrying over the majesty of her eyes in black and white

prolapsing was too much, calling it an onahole afterwards was really bad, almost threw up

>"Shooto!"
>subbed as "Fire!"

Never noticed. I watch anime on mute.

>>142388733
There's an easy solution to this - stop watching shit releases.

>>142387873
>>142387994
https://youtu.be/TbyyoqOQ8N0

>>142388125
What are you, gay?

The most retarted is
>Character says Nee-san
>Subs say the name

>>142384851
Sauce? Google, SauceNao etc. aren't helping.

>>142384851
>character says "Tadaima"
>subs say "Thank you"

>>142387546
>I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about but the more I talk the more I feel like I do.

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>boku no stando Echoes
>my stand Reverb

This is not okay, you pieces of shits

>>142394327
I like jojo as much as the next guy, but this has been posted 3-4 times in this thread already and there's a valid reason for it, go away jojofag

>>142390221
I agree completely.

>>142384851
where is she from?

>>142386933
>character says Bad Company
>subs say Worse Company

>>142394219
>>142394554
Senjou no Hana by Shindol.

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>>142388652
Fucking Commie subs.

>>142384851
>thread full of retards who think they understand japanese because they know literally 5 words
>half of the words they know are loan words

さすが

>>142395184
>missing the entire point
Who's the retard here?

>>142395184
>thread about English words in anime
>having anything to do with Japanese

You wot.

>>142384851

Probably to troll faggots like you

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>>142395264
>I was just pretending to be retarded the whole time!

>>142395280
>english words

>>142395184
If that's how you're using さすが then you're not far off from them. Read more before you try to produce.

>>142395383
Who are you quoting?

>>142395184
You got rekt, nigga.
>>142395414

>>142395383
>>142395184
>subber proves he's as retarded as his subs

Its like pottery

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>>142394649
>Shindol

>Character says something in Kansaiben then explains it to another character who's confused
>translations swap it out with obscure regional American slang (which 99% of english speakers could not possibly know) AND leave the following line with the character explaining that it's Kansaiben
This is from the first Grisaia VN translation for those who don't know.

>>142395414
>>142395514
>doesn't know japanese
>pretends like he does

さすが！すごいーおにいちゃん！

>>142394713
I've actually started to feel bad for all the bullying I've given Commie over the years. Yeah they did some trollish shit, but they still took the time to translate shows in this niche hobby.

がんばって、カッミーさん！

>>142386933
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BrxK5-unZI
>Pole Jam

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>>142386997
Dude, is that fucking Rollercoaster Tycoon? My nigga.

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>>142384851
>Daijoubu
>"Don't worry, I'm fine. Thanks for asking"

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>>142385899
>Character says some reference that only japanese people would understand
>The sub actually explain what the reference is, in a 1 second, paragraph long text, instead of replacing it with a shitty joke.

>>142395633
It's Vanilla Loli with Good End

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>>142387152
>fansubs
>legal issues

>>142396774
>implying fansubs
The ones changing shit are Funisubs.

>>142396774
>pretending to be retarded.jpg

>>142389484
Zenyatta Mondatta pisses me the fuck off every single time.

>>142396453
>using a prolapsed vagina as an onahole

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>it's a TL note

Can someone tell me why bitch isn't translated to slut? Just because the Japanese adopted American slang doesn't mean it has to be repeated verbatim when it's used to mean a different slang term

>>142397133
It's easy enough to skip that part and go directly to the timeskip.

But that means cursing ShindoL for not doing a sequel with the girl now that she has curves, is sexy as fuck, and still wants the photographers dick.

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>>142384851
>her womb prolapsed
fucking Shindol

>>142390155
who gives a shit about the "original meaning"?When a Japanese person says bitch, the correct english translation is slut. If you just say bitch, you've mistranslated

>>142394087
There is no English equivalent to nee-san. and don't give me that "big sis" bullshit, nobody actually ever calls anybody sis.

>>142384851
>Character says yo
>Subs say hey

>Character says oi
>Subs say hey

>>142397586
only british people say oy. translating oi to hey is fine for an American audience

>>142394322
Why'd you put an arrow at the beginning there?

>>142397668
Japs say "Oi" too. So do Jews.

>>142397831
Of English speakers. And Jews say "oy"

>>142397547
The japanese use of "bitch" is along the lines of "breeding bitch" which is what "bitch" is derived from in the first place.

>>142397668
>translate "oi" to "hey"
>character says "oi oi"
Now you're fucked.

>>142398645
No it isn't. It's along the lines of "slut" as in "hungry for dick, reproduction is an afterthought."

>>142397547
The English language should just get its shit together.

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>>142388125
This. ShindoL is an absolute faggot for prolapse.

>>142398770
The English language should continue evolving, just like every other fucking language in common use. How do you think Japanese got loanwords from English?

>character says "komikksu"
>subs say "manga"
>"manga isn't comics, anime isn't cartoons"

Fucking weebs.

>character says sensei in a non japanese setting
>subs say sensei instead teacher or master

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>>142385444
>Character says Keikaku doori.
>subs say "Just according to Keikaku"

>Character says "Arigatou"
>dub says "I love you."

>>142400908
The subbers just want to give us a little love

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>>142384851
>That ending
are there more like this with out Shindols shitty NTR

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realization shindol is american living in glorious nipland making money drawing porn

>>142390221
True, but if you've watched enough anime, your ear has likely acclimated to being able to hear the honorifics anyway.

>>142397547
this guy gets it

>Character says gyudon
>Subs says steak

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>>142384851
>download jojo part 4 today from horriblesubs
>watch the first 3 episodes
>KUREIJI DAIYAMONDO
>"Shining Diamond"
Why do people pay for crunchyroll again?

>character says rub a dub dub

>>142401831
>character says udon
>subs say "noodles"

>>142401983
Because fansubbing is dead

>>142385123
>character says otou-sama
>HS subs say father-sama
Otou-sama is already a formal way to say dad, hence similar to the word father, but to pull that kind of shit is down right disgusting

>>142401467

Read his katawa hentai.

>>142405115
I think thats a shindol doujin about fucking a loli with a prolapsed vagina

Character says Baka
Translator puts
Imbecile
Doo doo or poo poo head
Ass hat
Moron
And so so much more

>>142388833
checked

>>142395740
>頑張って、コッミーさん！
ftfy

>>142406824
>Character says baka
>Translator puts 3000 more vowels than it should have
why

>DLing some shitty hardcoded subs that explain everything in excruciating autistic detail

yeah thanks for a paragraph long history of the Teru teru bōzu, my viewing experience is now complete

>>142387018
This infuriates me to no end.

>>142388125
>VAGINA PROLAPSES

That's my shit.

>>142387018
>audio: Faldio.
>subs: Faldio! You're here for the meeting too? What a coincidence!

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>>142384851
>TL puts up fucking wikipedia article long explanations for every little vaguely japanese thing that happens or appears.

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Fucking hell.

>>142386933
>>142394602
>>142394327
Watch the Some-Stuffs sub faggots

>character: Surname Name-kun
>subs: Name Surname
It's even worse, when character uses some nickname and subs use full name.

>>142397524
sauce

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>>142394649

>>142407992
nevermind, got it

>>142407906
holy shit that detail in the background

>>142408300
And that shot doesn't even last 30 seconds

>Character says words
>Subs are words that are not the same words that they said

what the fuck, why even bother translating if they aren't going to replicate it exactly?

>>142388833
I miss the times when we got both kanji and romaji in addition to the translation.

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>>142387562

>>142408010
It's not NTR though.

>>142408645
Good translator translates the meaning, not the words.

>>142386933
>KURASHI DIAMONE
It's Kureeji Daiamondo

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>>142384851
お前は、なんでまだ字幕に頼っているの？

>>142390221
It may be convenient to get the point across, but it is shit-ass translation. You don't speak in English with Japanese honorifics, so you either have choice to drop them or bastardize the language you are translating into. Using honorifics in anime subs is just a nerdy habit.

I tolerate it, but I wouldn't really try to justify the use. You wouldn't like to have that kind of shit in translations from other languages into English (or any other language) either. It just got stuck with fandom. And since people go apeshit if someone drops the honorifics it will probably stay.

>>142401467
I love his "Library Love" because it's consensual vanilla sex where the girl is super into it without automatically being a slut just for liking sex. Truly a gem that bypasses many of the more annoying tropes of hentai.

>>142387152

According to American copyright law, Peppers of a Hot Chilli nature that are of a red variant are in fact NOT a food stuff that has existed for a while, but were in fact invented by four dudes who went back in time to make it.

Obviously, if anyone takes a name of some commodity and gets popular, they are retroactively their inventor and get ownership over words - literal fucking sounds anyone can make.

This is is copyright logic.

This is American logic.

>>142407906
I've only seen 3 anime that did that, like Gintama, and I really appreciated it every time.

>Surname Firstname
>translated as "Firstname Surname"

STOP

TRANSLATING THINGS

IN A WAY THAT IS

O B J E C T I V E L Y

INCORRECT

Fuck.

>>142415839
Actually it's English logic, which many nations copied.

>>142416014
That's not objectively incorrect. Do you know what objectively means?

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>>142388364
This happens way to often

>Character says itadakimasu
>Subs say bon appetit

>>142397586
It'll depend on the context and how the oi comes out.

>>142397668
Still english. Why act like american usage is the only valid one?

>character says "wankusshon"
>translated as "action to soften the impact of something"

IT'S ONE CUSHION YOU RETARDED TRANSLATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! baka commie

>>142417039
Because cultural domination, and also translation by Americans in American companies primarily for American audiences.

>>142409989
Good translators try carry as many aspects of the original they can into the target language, not just the meaning.

>>142417254
Yeah I bet you know best you kuso EOP monkey (爆笑)

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>>142416014
>firstname is put first
>objectively incorrect

>Character says "Massacre"
>it's translated as "Impossible!"

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>character says "King's Cube"
>subbers "champion's cube"

>character says Touch Henshin and Crush Invader
>Subbers Touch to Henshin and Crush The Invaders

>character says "DAKARA!!!"
>subbers "same goes for you bro"


toku subs is suffering

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>>142417287
そうよ。でもくそ猿俺ではない。それと日本語は俺の第三言語。意味だけで伝えるのはいい？ただの言い訳だ、三流のやつの。性格や口調や字句もあるでしょう？君が意味だけ合ってるでいいと言うなら本音は進化しないくそ猿のままでいいだよね。

Gut Nacht Scheissen Affe 　

>>142418397
You cheeky cunt.

>Character says "Kisama!"
>Subs translate to "Bastard"

>Character says "Anata"
>Subs translate to "Darling"

>>142395184
it's a thread about the characters literally saying english words but then the subs get translated to a different word

>character says another character is "cool"
>the japanese call people with cold personalities "cool"
>but the subbers continue to use "cool" instead of "cold"

>>142385796
That is actually the correct way to translate in a out of situation, because they use "excuse me" instead of a "thank you" in many situations.

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>>142420847

>>142420992
well I'll be damned

>character says "Narohodo-kun"
>subs say "Nick"

>>142419406
>tumblr
>capeshit
Drink bleach.

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>>142384851

>Name is spoken during a sentence
>You have to wait for the next block of subtitles for it to appear

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>>142387400
>passerby/onlooker says something
>subs say what they said, but in yellow text on top.

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>>142384851

>Meaning of a one word reply is obvious based on body language
>No subtitles used

>>142401467
The amputee girl is good too

>>142421074
Yeah I know it's weird, but it makes sense.

The japanese sentence structure is different from the english one, if you keep it your sentences will look very off - even unnatural.

>>142406547
>father-sama
Kek

>>142384851
>character literally says "Kensuke"
>translated as "engarde"

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>"Baka!"
>"Jerk."

>>142419406

>MUH BUCKY

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>character talks in broken english
>japanese subs on screen
>secondary set of english subs with what the japanese actually meant

>>142421810
Episode 6 of Samurai Shamploo, man.
>Broken Dutch
>Japanese subtitles
>English sub-subtitles
>The English doesn't line up with what the original broken Dutch was supposed to confer

>>142421565
Baka translates to a range of insults in English, not just idiot. Jerk is a decent translation if the context is that it's meant as a low grade insult.

>Character says "mm."
>subs say "that's right."

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>"Konnichiwa lastname-kun"
>subs translate it as "Hello firstname"

>Character says onii-chan/nee-san/nii-chan
>Subs say the characters name

>>142387161
http://jisho.org/search/%20%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B9%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F

That's way better translation because nobody uses the term mass communication like that.

>>142390155
>Japanese use of bitch is actually correct to the original meaning though.
But that would make no sense, they're referring to humans, not female dogs.

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>>142414693
English is a language that changes based on what it's being used for. See: Acronyms, loanwords, and many types of jargon and slang, and even literary choices made for different written works. There's no reason whatsoever to assume that the same type of English one would use in everyday conversation is the type that should be used while translating fictional dialogue from another reason.

>>142387873
Elevens are bad at English so they misuse some words + some words change meaning overtime

You can't always translate Japanese katakana words with a word that sounds the same in English. You use word that means the same. For example ナイススタイル is used only for women with good looking bodies, never if an ugly girl has good fashion style or wears stylish clothes.

>>142424140
>from another language.
Apologies, a little sleepy while typing that.

>>142424271
Just end it.

>>142387994
Fucking kek

>>142416014
This is acceptable when it's a translation of a book or manga, but when they pull this shit with anime or other stuff where you actually hear the names being spoken, it's annoying as shit and actually makes it harder to remember the names because the names I'm hearing are backwards compared to the text.

>>142424169
If someone uses an English word in a different fashion I see no reason not to just carry over that word's use into the translation. It's functionally no different than quoting someone's slang.

>>142424933
It's not that one specific character misuses the word, you seem to misunderstand me. It's that the usage and meaning of foreign is somtimes different in Japanese (and every other) language. E.g. ズボン comes from French "jupon" but in Japanese means trousers. Translating the word as what it originally meant would make characters seem retarded. Another example: character says "You bitch!" in English. Would you tranlsate it as "You female canine animal" only because that's what it originally meant before the usage of the world changed?

>>142401983
Some-Stuffs

Better scripts, fixed names

>>142425384
How the FUCK do you make the switch from women's underwear to pants? Otokonoko went too far.

>>142425384
Slang is not restricted to specific people though, it's something adopted by groups, IE dialects. American English, which subbers are obsessed with achieving through their localization, is in large part composed of slang itself.

Why are you bringing french into a discussion of English loanwords? Also why are you even talking about translating things to their original meanings? That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying, you adopt the new, Japanese meaning into your translation and allow the viewer to understand the new meaning contextually. If absolutely necessary, TL notes are also an option. (Inb4 strawman using cherrypicked TL note meme images.)

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>>142384851
Reminder that this is what she looks like when she grows up.

>>142426645
>Why are you bringing french into a discussion of English loanwords?

To explain how loanwords can change meaning over time.

>Also why are you even talking about translating things to their original meanings?

Because that's what you were proposing to do by using the original meaning of the world in English instead of the meaning it has nowadays in Japanese.

>That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying, you adopt the new, Japanese meaning into your translation and allow the viewer to understand the new meaning contextually.

Nobody knows the meaning of the word when used in Japanese. It's no different than leaving any other Japanese word untranslated. Or rather, it's even worse than that because the word is a false friend and many people would assume it means the same as "style" in English, which is not the case.

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>character says "geemu staato"
>they translate it as this

What the hell what are HS translators thinking?? The guy is literally talking in enlgish!!

>>142425751
I didn't figure they were already releasing it, thanks for the tip anon.

Puro-rappusu is Rabu
Puro-rappusu is Raifu

>fapping to Naughty Alysha prolapse porn last week

>>142427162
>To explain how loanwords can change meaning over time.
Loanwords changing their meaning was never in question.

>Because that's what you were proposing to do by using the original meaning of the world in English instead of the meaning it has nowadays in Japanese.
Wrong, a word's meaning is assigned. If they were static then meanings wouldn't change in the first place.

>Nobody knows the meaning of the word when used in Japanese. It's no different than leaving any other Japanese word untranslated.
Contextual meaning still exists.

>Or rather, it's even worse than that because the word is a false friend and many people would assume it means the same as "style" in English, which is not the case.
The Japanese usage of "style" isn't even incorrect to the English definition, they just use it to describe different things. By replacing the word with something else you're directly stripping cultural distinction from the work for the sake of making it more accessible to retards and children.

>>142427845
>>Nobody knows the meaning of the word when used in Japanese. It's no different than leaving any other Japanese word untranslated.
>Contextual meaning still exists.

Now I know you are funposting and can't stop wasting my time. Thanks.

>>142427961
Not an argument.

>>142424933
He's right though. It doesn't mean "style".

Some other examples:
"claim" => "lodge a complaint"
"sharp pencil" => "mechanical pencil"
"bitch" => "slut"
and more http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/false-friends.html

I wonder how they translate English loan words into nip when they sub English works.

>>142427845
http://eigo.zatunen.com/wasei.html

Please read this before posting again, thanks

>>142428013
>It doesn't mean "style".
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/style
>a particular form or design of something
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stylish
>: having style; specifically : conforming to current fashion

"Style can't possibly be used to describe a body type."
"Specific body types have never been seen as stylish or fashionable in the west."

>>142407906
TL notes in whatever version of Welcome to the NHK I watched were actually pretty handy

>>142428482
Are you ESL?

>>142428566
Not an argument.

>>142428606
It is if you don't know the language.

>>142428627
It's as if you don't have an argument.

>>142428543
>pretty handy
"Handy" means "mobile phone" in German.

>>142428627
An argument is a group of statements, one or more of which is intended to prove one of the others.
You posted a question. A question is not a statement. Since it is not a statement, it can't be an argument.

>>142428482
スタイル　-style-

正しい英語は…figure

解説：
「彼女はスタイルがいい」を
She has a good style.としても通じません。
これでは「彼女はいい文章スタイルを持っている」という意味にしかなりません。
正しい英語では，
She has a good figure.
She has a pretty figure.
She is well-proportioned.
She is shapely. といいます。
英語のstyleは「文体」または「流行の型」の意で使います。

http://www.waseieigo.com/13sugyou.html#style

You're pointlessly trying too hard bruh, just close the tab already.

>>142428682
>Since it is not a statement, it can't be an argument.
Since it does not contain a statement*, it can't be an argument.

>>142394327
Please give me the source.

>>142428792
Jojo

>>142428692
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/style
>a particular form or design of something
>「彼女はスタイルがいい」
>She has a good [style]
>She has a good [form or design]

>>142419406
Stop watching Tv-N then

>Biichi
>Subs say Bitch

>>142384851
>character says kakoi
>subs say hot/handsome

>>142428917
>解説：
>「彼女はスタイルがいい」を
>She has a good style.としても通じません。

Anon, you're embarrassing yourself.

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>character says "Hamburger"
>translated to "salisbury steak"

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>>142399613
>translator's note: keikaku means plan

>>142428917
Not only ESL but also confirmed for not knowing Japanese, why are you even arguing?

>>142428482
The japanese "style" has a connotation that the english "style" doesn't.

You would need to use the awkward-sounding expression "body style" to fully convey the meaning. Or you could just say "figure."

>>142429120
Hambaagu = Salisbury Steak
Hambaga = hamburger

>The golden rule of translation being what a character would say if they were speaking english
>They literally speak english
>Translate it to something else
Makes sense

>>142429239
well shit, this is news to me

>>142429102
Unless you can prove that
>She has a good form
and
>She has a good figure
Have two separate meanings then your source sucks and you're doing nothing but appealing to an authority that has no reputability to begin with.

>Character says "Biichi"
>Subs say "Bitch"
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>142429284
That depends whether they're actually speaking engrish or using loanwords. In the latter case, the meaning doesn't always match with the English word.

>>142429341
AA is real

>>142429396
>missing the point

>>142429102
>>142429341
Oh wait.

>http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/figure
>the outward appearance of something as distinguished from its substance <the ice sculpture at the banquet was in the figure of an eagle spreading its wings> Synonyms cast, configuration, conformation, fashion, FORM, geometry, shape

>>142429508
Not an argument.

>>142429341
Anon, you can google any other wasei-eigo dictionary and find the same definition because that's exactly what it means and what it doesn't mean. Pretty sure the Japanese know more about their own language than you.

>>142429581
So you'd tell someone that she has a good configuration?

>>142429725
Pick-up lines for robots.

>>142429581
>Not an argument.
You've already been proven objectively wrong. No further argument is needed, AA.

>>142429725
He'd have his mirriam webster ready to prove to her that his usage is correct.

>>142429581
If someone says that a woman has good style in English, would you clearly and unambiguously understand them as meaning "she has a hot body"? If the answer is no, then style is not an appropriate translation.

>>142384851
>character refers to themselves by name or name drop something
>subs ignore it completely

This annoys me though I guess it's not a huge deal

>>142429725
It wouldn't be common conversational use, but it would still be a correct usage of the word.

>>142429804's joke is actually a perfect example. The word's usage is only a cultural difference, and a work that is written by japanese about japanese in fucking japan is going to have cultural difference.

>>142429829
Not an argument. Also clearly getting butthurt now.

>>142429915
Then there is no such thing as an appropriate translation, because the first meaning taken from any word in any language is entirely relative to the reader.

Nice job creating an impossible standard in your desperate attempts to justify your bias.

>>142430094
No, it wouldn't be a correct use. Words have shades of meaning and are appropriate in different contexts that dictionaries simply cannot exhaustively cover. A woman told she's stylish would be flattered about her dress and makeup sense. A woman told she's well-configured would either be confused or assume English is your second language and you looked up a translation without having experience with how the word is used.

>>142430094
Except it wouldn't because the definition of "Figure" you're using doesn't apply to body types. "She has a good configuration" doesn't mean "She has a good figure".

>>142430272
I think "does it convey the meaning, in any way at all, to the watcher" is a pretty good definition of appropriate. Yor translated sentence has an entirely different message to the original, because the word is not really the same.

>>142430272
>Then there is no such thing as an appropriate translation

But there is, every nip dictionary translate it as "figure", the human body type definition. If you don't want to accept it that's your own issue.

>>142430094
>Getting increasingly defensive
You forgot to respond to >>142429143

>>142430377
>Words have shades of meaning and are appropriate in different contexts that dictionaries simply cannot exhaustively cover.
The fact they weren't covered means that they're decidedly not important compared to the meanings that are. Also thesauri go much more in-depth than dictionaries or the average faggot who happens to speak the language does.

>A woman told she's stylish would be flattered about her dress and makeup sense. A woman told she's well-configured would either be confused or assume English is your second language and you looked up a translation without having experience with how the word is used.
What you're describing is nothing more than a cultural difference, not a definitive one. The same word can be flattering to one person and insulting to the other, with it being used correctly in both instances.

But feel free to point out where in the dictionary "Stylish" is defined to specifically mean "attractive choices in dress and makeup and not any other possible aspect of physical appearance".

>>142430390
>the definition of "Figure" you're using doesn't apply to body types
>the outward appearance of something as distinguished from its substance
>Synonyms: configuration, fashion, form

Please learn how to use a thesaurus.


The saddest part of this entire conversation is that neither of you seem to have even realized what the root word of "Configuration" is.

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>>142401467
Shindol's vanilla is so good to read because he doesn't always do them but he is good at it

>>142431177
>>the outward appearance of something as distinguished from its substance
>something, its
>a person is "something"

You lost this argument on your own.

>>142384851
>character says "Biichi"
>scanlation says "Bitch"
This irritates me to no end.

>>142431304
What's your point? The people/things separation doesn't apply to descriptions of physical form. Every single synonym that has been discussed is used the same way.

>>142431177
>What you're describing is nothing more than a cultural difference, not a definitive one.

It's almost like words need context for a definition to be applied. When you say "she has a good figure" it doesn't mean "she has a good configuration" because that's simply not how context works.
You are using thesaurus to translate in a void.

>>142431177
No. Just no. They're not covered in the dictionary because the dictionary is not infinitely long and cannot cover all possible shades and all possible contexts, nor is it supposed to.

All words and meanings are defined culturally. Any collection of sounds can have any possible meaning. The translation is supposed to take a set of sounds from one culture and produce a set of sounds that provide the same meaning to another. Your translation achieves this only for your hypothetical "but it COULD technically exist!" culture where a woman hearing "style" assumes "body" thanks to a tenuous link between context-free dictionary definitions, rather than for any English-speaking culture that actually exists.

>>142431674
>The people/things separation doesn't apply to descriptions of physical form

Your definition is not referring to human beings, haven't you noticed how the examples from that definition only involves objects?

>>142428858
ah, the old reddit switcheroo

>>142430523
Your definition is still relative, and therefore shit, even if you backpedal on its severity. At least take a note from every professional form of writing in existence and define your target audience in levels of literacy.

>>142430541
It's not a matter of accepting it, it's a matter of the source provided in this thread being refuted by Merriam-Webster.

>>142432159
Well, Merriam-Webster is not a Japanese dictionary so your source means absolutely nothing.

>>142432159
>it's a matter of the source provided in this thread being refuted by Merriam-Webster.

How so? Merriam-Webster didn't provide a definition and examples of スタイル. You're losing your mind Anon.

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>character says "Eh?"
>subs say "Huh?"

>>142432159
You're going to be waiting a long time for an objective definition of language, let alone of translation between languages - and you certainly won't find it in a dictionary, where prescriptivism is entirely dead and buried at this point. In fact, the closest thing we still have are probably usage guides, such as the one you're currently using a descriptivist dictionary to argue against.

>>142432023
>the type of body that a person has <Martha has such a slender figure that just about anything looks good on her>
>Synonyms build, constitution, physique, form, frame, habit, shape

>>142432664
You are quoting a different definition from the one you posted before. Coincidentally enough, the definition that you've been trying to avoid the whole time.

>he takes too long to respond two posts with meaningless babble

I bet he's throwing an autism fit in real life.

>>142432315
The translation is to English, not Japanese. It's your source that means nothing.

>>142432159
Correction: The arguments made by the one sourcing the japanese dictionary were refuted by Merriam-Webster.

The original point of the discussion is "The japanese use X word incorrectly so it shouldn't carried over into the translation". According to English dictionary definition, the usage of the word is not incorrect, therefore the central premise originally made in >>142424169 is debunked.

>>142421920
then again its hard to understand elevens when they talk anything but japanese so sometimes i'm pretty happy about those english subs translating something thats totally not english even tho it should be.

>>142432757
Both definitions synonymize "form" with "figure" so it serves my point just as well.

I linked directly to the thesaurus page under the assumption you'd at least attempt to gain a proper understanding of it before wasting more of our time on this conversation.

So, what exactly is your point?

>>142433170
It sounds cool to them, just like English speakers try to sound cool/intellectual by using Latin or French for example.

>>142432757
>>142433197
Oh, and for clarification both definitions come from the same Merriam-Webster thesaurus page I linked in the thread.

Seriously, check the fucking citation you asshole.

>>142433015
The translation of wasei-eigo can only be provided by a Japanese dictionary, not by an English dictionary. Japanese dictionaries state that スタイル means figure for human body shape.

>>142433197
Except that you kept defending the use of "configuration" to describe human bodies when the definition that has configuration as synonim only refers to objects. See what's wrong with your argument here?

>>142428917
Why didn't you include the usage examples?

><classical style of dance>
><Dinner was served buffet style.>

It's almost as if "good" isn't a concept that makes sense with this usage, because it's about type rather than quality.

>>142433015
>It's your source that means nothing.

You know you're just saying you don't know what wasei eigo is, right? This destroys everything you were trying to argue about.

>>142433748
>Japanese dictionaries state that スタイル means figure for human body shape.
And English dictionaries/thesauri state that "figure for human body shape" is an applicable meaning for "style", therefore making a translation of スタイル to style accurate.

>>142433861
The configuration conversation was about the wrong definition, and so was rendered redundant when the correct definition was brought out. It wasn't part of my point anyway, only Figure and Form being synonymous was.

>>142434042
I didn't include the examples because they were besides the point.
>It's almost as if "good" isn't a concept that makes sense with this usage
Then why is it used in the main example given by the dictionary?

>>142434078
Not an argument.

>>142428682
>>>142428543
>>pretty handy
>"Handy" means "mobile phone" in German.
That is correct.

They weren't writing in German.

Fuck off.

>>142428682
>>142435755
I thought "Handy" means "handjob".

>>142435497
>And English dictionaries/thesauri state that "figure for human body shape" is an applicable meaning for "style"

But they don't. Your Merriam-Webster definition for Style defines it as a "Form" for something and that's only applied to objects not human beings. And again, it uses examples with objects only.
You keep going in circles with a completely flawed argument, trying to win a discussion that you lost hours ago.

>>142435497
>Not an argument.
Of course it's not an argument when you just fucked up and proved you have no idea what you're talking about. It was entertaining reading your autism though.

>>142435497
>I didn't include the examples because they were besides the point.
They're not. Your definition is about being a PARTICULAR style, such as classical, not having good or bad style.

>Then why is it used in the main example given by the dictionary?
I don't see the word "good" anywhere on the page, but if it is, it's for a different usage.

>And English dictionaries/thesauri state that "figure for human body shape" is an applicable meaning for "style"
It says it means "a particular form or design of something", and clarifies this with examples of "classical style" and "buffet style".

Incidentally, here's the most comparable OED definition:

>A kind, sort, or type, as determined by manner of composition or construction, or by outward appearance.

You could push it and say that "curvaceous" is a style of body, but you can't use this definition to arrive at it from "good style".

>>142435834
>Your Merriam-Webster definition for Style defines it as a "Form" for something and that's only applied to objects not human beings
>the type of body that a person has <Martha has such a slender figure that just about anything looks good on her>
>Synonyms build, constitution, physique, form, frame, habit, shape
>form
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/figure
Do you plan to address this definition or not?

>>142436360
It's still not the definition of "Form" that's used in the definition of "Style".
You can stop now.

>>142436360
http://www.primaryresources.co.uk/english/pdfs/8shades.pdf

>>142429804
> you make my lubricant flow.
> you make my resource distributor pump harder.
>can I insert my fluid discharge extension into your 3-d printer outlet?
>you and me gynoid ain't nothing but AIs so lets do it like they do it on the TechTV channel.

This whole conversation has been fucking idiotic since about 3 hours ago. Leave style guy to his delusions.

>>142395705
>obscure regional American slang
That being?
And Kansai= American South is a pretty widely done and accepted thing, with Southern slang pretty recognizable in the US.

>>142437026
No, no, please, keep the argumentative autist busy as long as you can.

>>142437026
No.

>>142436186
Sorry, I mistook which dictionary entry you were referring to in regards to samples. When talking about "good" I was referring to the usage in the japanese entry.

I'm not sure I'm getting your point though, just that the English definition of "style" is used on a much more general basis than its application in Japanese.

>You could push it and say that "curvaceous" is a style of body, but you can't use this definition to arrive at it from "good style".
"Good style" is still correct English, and could in fact refer to a curvaceous figure, people just won't be sure what specifically you mean because a lack of general consensus. "Style" in japanese is still used with descriptors, it is not inherently a descriptor like Curvaceous is.

>character says hamburger
>subs say suburban stake

Never understood this

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Subs say Show Off

Also
Pole Jam

>>142439571
>"Good style" is still correct English, and could in fact refer to a curvaceous figure

Not with that usage. It refers to an object belonging to a particular class of things, such as classical, not to a quality or level of stylishness. "Good" only makes sense in relation to more concrete definitions like "Used absol. for: Fashionable air, appearance, deportment, etc. Also, more generally, attractive or impressive quality; originality.".

>people just won't be sure what specifically you mean because a lack of general consensus
People will be sure what specifically you mean, they'll just be wrong because you're deliberately miscommunicating to make a point.

>>142388487
>character says "omusubi"
>dub says "donut"
>people bitch about the dub not saying "onigiri"

>>142384851
>be Japanese watching english movie
>character clearly says 万歳 (banzai)
>subs say 盆栽 (bonsai)
>tfw gaijin will never understand

>>142412493
Ayy that's not how you shitpost
>get rid of the comma thing
>make sure "nande" is in kanji
>get a rid of question mark
Only if you do that you'll get some guaranteed (yous)

>>142441251
>watch English movie
>characters talk about rollerskating in Venice
>subtitles translate Venice as "Venezia"

>>142384851
who is this fluid druid?

>>142441939
Isn't that the actual name of Venice in Italian?

>>142442213
>rollerskating
They were talking about Venice Beach