Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1562

乙

I shall bless this thread, for this is the true /djt/ thread. Let the other false thread disappear into nothingness.

>>142338478
Yeah, that shit doesn't even come up in the search.

>>142338532
The Maki one? It did for me

>>142338248

侯 would make more sense than 候. Could it just be the font or something?

>>142338587
May be a typo.

>>142336023
Unfortunately, no.

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post reps
I can't learn Japanese

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I stayed up until 2:30 A.M. just to post a false DJT thread.

>>142338666

Every time she says his name it has that exact kanji though. If it were a typo I'd imagine it would be just the one instance.

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>>142338708
今日も一日延引しかしなかった

>>142338840
今日も一日似非スレを立てよう

So, there's this girl and she says:

アタシで溝足できなくても知らないからね?

Does anyone have any idea what that mizoashi (?) is supposed to mean? I can't figure it out.

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>>142338779
Hard language.

>>142338983
I saw it the first time asshole

>>142338960
That's 満足, anon. She's talking about not being satisfied with her.

>>142338995
Thought it was rude to post a 2500x5000 image

>>142339022
it was only 150kb

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>>142338587
侯と候は

ちょーーーにているけど

まったくちがうかんじだよ

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>>142338779

Day ~90 of saying "fuck core"

>>142339108
upvoted

>>142338996
Dammit, that makes so much more sense than the pictures of dinocephalia I found through the Google image search. Thanks!

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>>142339022
yeah i was about to report you but since you took it down and corrected your mistake i'll let you off the hook today

>>142339139

thanks

>>142338846
Well, maybe the writer doesn't know the difference or some shit. I can't explain it otherwise.

Do people who talk like お嬢様 exist in real life?

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>>142339108
Why not both?

>>142338840
Sorry anon. Your image was nice though.

>>142339426

Thank you, I'll post it again sometime soon. OP of this thread deserved it though since he already tried once last time and got aced out.

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Beginner here, confused about the usage of "desu".
How do I know whether to use desu or not?
For example, I had to make "Do you understand?" into Jap, so I put "wakarimasu desu ka?", but it turns out the desu didn't need to be there. Wouldn't the "Do you" part require a desu to be used?
im using jfz

>>142339676
desu is for nouns and excessive softness

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>>142339676
http://www.imabi.net/l8dadesu.htm

>>142339676
You don't put desu after a masu, since it's already polite.
If your sentence doesn't end in a masu-conjugated verb, you can put desu there.

Six months from now there will be 10 DJTs up every time one dies as people rush to be the first

>>142339731
>>142339754
>>142339756
I see, thanks desu

>>142339676
First off,
>Jap
Stop that.

Now go read the first few chapters of a Japanese textbook.

>>142339756
No, you can't put です after a verb for politeness. That's adjectives.

>>142339946
>Stop that.
brit/californian detected

>>142339676
how about giving tae kim or something a try before using polite conjugations without understand anything about them?

>>142339981
そうとは限らないと思うんです

>>142340079
thats on a noun

>>142340079
"putting it after a verb" implies more than just putting it at some point later in a sentence. It implies putting it directly after a verb.

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i'm almost there 友達's

Has anyone considered using their Japanese knowledge, or as training, to help the Japanese4ENglish SPeakers Duolingo project? It's basically ded and needs support

>>142340301
i don't know Japanese. why the fuck would i do that?

>>142339676
です is one of Japanese's "to be" verbs, so if your sentence ends in a verb then you don't need it.

In the phrase 死ぬがよい, why is the が particle used instead of は?

>>142340672
Because it's not talking about 死ぬ, it's talking about the guy being spoken to
(お前は)死ぬがよい

>>142340738
i dont think so dude no 1s telling any1 2 die

Is it easy to keep studying even if I won't have internet for 3 weeks? I will have a laptop, though.

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>>142339946
Why did American's have to turn "Jap" into a racial slur? It's so much easier to say than "Japanese", and there's really no other way of shortening "Japanese", but because the burgerkings used it like "nigger" in WWII you can't use it.

>>142340738
Ah, I see now, thanks.

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>tfw your memorization of a compound word was mostly dependent on the sight of only one of the kanji in the word so when you encounter another compound word with the same kanji, you have to relearn both words

>>142340912
story of my life

>>142340912
>don't study kanji, they said
>it's useless, they said

>>142340801
The only one person in the entire world offended by 'Jap' is the guy you responded to.

No one else gives a shit.

>tfw it's been so long since I had to worry about kanji that I can't even sympathize when people complain about it

>>142340801
>but because the burgerkings used it like "nigger" in WWII
That's extremely offensive. We prefer McDonalds.

>>142341033
yah im sure no one else in the entire world cares about this racial slur

>>142340912
It's not a big problem and it stops happening pretty fast. Just keep at it.

>>142340768
>no 1s telling any1 2 die
Please visit the DET.

>>142341180
D.E.T. homie

>>142341161
It's literally just the first three letters of 'Japanese'.

Most Japanese probably have no idea about its origin, which means the people getting offended are random oversensitive white people.

>>142341180
割腹して

>>142341245
theres definitely nowhere in the world where theres japanese people living as a minority and having the slur used against them to this day

>>142340801
it's not nearly as bad as nigger though, because you're just calling them what they are, which is difficult to put into negative context when there's not very much that you can say is negative about them

nigger is as bad as it is because of what it cumulatively began to represent as time passed, which is generally why they have to keep switching words that represent black thug behavior i.e "youths"

older generations might find jap offensive because it represents their relationship during wartime, but I don't think anyone younger is even capable of caring, and if they do care, they're likely easily offended Americans anyway

>>142340801
I find Nip works just as well and normies won't have the same kneejerk reaction as Jap may incite.

>>142341245
It doesn't have to make sense.
Like calling black people "blacks" is just stating a completely objective fact. I mean you literally cannot go more black-and-white than that. Yet it pisses off a lot of people for some reason.

>>142341284
I got some guy get mad at me for saying nip in a chatroom once. Not a Japanese guy of course. There are people who will get offended by anything short of 神様

>>142341272
It's been several decades since it has actually been used a slur.
It's different from gook/chink.

At this point, it's just a way to shorten Japanese.

Grow thicker skin.

is Elevens safe to use

>>142341380
it doesnt bother me its just the level of generalization is astounding

people are really this detached from reality while telling others to grow thicker skin all the while never checking their own privilege lmao

>>142341446
No, you fucking racist. You will call them by their rightful name.

Sick fuck.

>>142341284
"Nip" sounds shit, and for some reason it still sounds like a slur even though as far as I know it isn't.

All the other names you can possibly give them suck too.
倭 - Yas
和 - Was
日本 - Nihs

"Jap" is the only one that doesn't sound like utter shit.

The more I learn about Japanese the more I hate it.

Just what the fuck are the nips thinking?
They seem to fucking use kana or kanji how they want, I've seen the same words written in katakana, hiragana or kanji, one time it's hiragana the next time katakana and so on.

I see foreign words in hiragana and japanese words written in katakana.

Fuck this shit.


Just as bad, that type of words that have 5 different meanings depending on the context and even then it's not 100% clear what's correct in that case.

Fuck it.

>>142341472
>checking their own privilege lmao

Stop using Jap, it's offensive. Use 小日本 instead.

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>>142340801
Just call them 11s.

>>142341540
Chink pls go.

>>142341524
because sometimes they don't want as high of a concentration of kanji directly next to eachother so they use the same word in kana

because too many kanji next to eachother makes it look like some kind of compound word and it gets more difficult to break up and read

the only thing I've found that I've really hated so far is how many different kinds of counters there are for so many different miscellaneous and mundane things

haha racism is so freaking hIlaRiOuS 爆ｓｈおう

>>142341695
racism is a buzzword

we're talking about shorthand ways to say japanese person

The yotsubato deck is fucking shit.

Nice that he puts whole phrases there, but it doesn't get me anywhere if he doesn't even split the sentences into words.

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とめられるものならとめてみよ

わがぜつぼうにかなうものがあるのなら

>>142341747
just make a mining deck for yotsubato, fag

>>142341747
I just kept the HTML file open next to the manga while reading instead of using the deck.

>>142341738
oh それなら日本国に住んでるヤツという人間って言う

>>142341695
jap is not derogatory everywhere. the internet is not your personal regional bubble. live with it.

>>142338846

That is an error. The writer doesn't know the difference between 候 and 侯. No doubt.

>>142341898
this is good rationale for your ignorance please keep it coming id love to hear more good reasons to use racial slurs

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>>142338405

>>142341927
That's impossible, Japanese know all 2974 kanji perfectly.

>>142341829
if they're under the age of 30 then they're likely not going to take offense, let alone even know what it means if they're even younger (other than being a "slur", what does it even mean? nothing...)

it's a dead slur that was only in use during war time

>>142341962
should i avoud using redneck too its offensive in a ten mile region twenty miles north of me

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>tfw this was already in my mining deck
damn maybe i should just finish core 2k first とある誠実

>>142341510

How about 大和 Yams?

Everybody likes yams. They're tasty. I'mma go make yam fries now.

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I don't usually read the sentences when I do my cards, but this one caught my eye.

>>142341962
people of color
colored people

Q. why is one a ration slur and the other not? A. because none of this stupid shit even matters

>>142342000
im not talking about using it in japan where the majority of people living there are japanese and thus racial slurs like that (there are still of course slurs for people from different parts of japan used amonst japanese people because the shit is endless) are kind of pointless i and most everyone else here already knows that

>>142342028
i mean do you have a good reason to say any kind of slur it doesnt reflect well on you at any point to do so

so dont do it man its that easy

>>142342044
I thought of that one, but the link to the food makes it sound a bit silly.

>>142341486
What kind of name is Sick fuck tbqh

>>142342081
Both of them are dumb since they imply that they are just people who are colored differently, yet obviously they are subhuman trash.

>>142341992

If their is one bit of encouragement I could give to people here struggling to read, it would be this:

Japanese people have trouble with it too.

I taught university students and the number of embarrassing mistakes I caught was shocking. 購師 instead of 講師 and such. The ones from my fellow profs I just politely ignored.

>>142342081
>people of color
this makes it sounds like their color owns them
people with color is preferable nowadays

>>142342087
i dont have a good reason to say any slur, just ones that are regional

'nigger' and 'mongoloid' are offensive almost everywhere but 'jap' is much more divisive than it is offensive except in a small number of places and in politically hypercorrrct prescriptions of English lije the one you fell for

>>142341992
>That's impossible, Japanese know all 2974 kanji perfectly
They don't know.

>>142341662
>how many different kinds of counters there are for so many different miscellaneous and mundane things
it's a chinese relic btw

Ignore Jamal posts, please. Examples of the posting style he has crafted include, but are not limited to the following:

>white shirt rap
>other jap rap
>slights people for kanji study despite getting it for free thanks to being a native chink
>complaining about racial slurs
>passive-aggressively criticizing spaced repetition
>intentionally poor capitalization and punctuation
>cool posting crew 2k16.jpg
>"爆笑"

>>142339676
read tyler kim

>>142342255
Ignoring it won't make it go away, anon ;) 爆撃

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>>142342081
"People of colour" basically flips the term on its head and acts to exclude white people, whereas the older term "coloured people" was exclusionary against, well, coloured people.

Basically, they've taken a term that was racist against them, and made it into a new term which is racist against people other than them (i.e. white people) through a clever twist of language.

>>142342255
>intentionally poor capitalization and punctuation
bullshit, i do that too

>>142342182

I'm a Person of Huge Cockitude, and I'll thank you all to check your privilege.

But seriously, I loathe euphemisms. They obscure information for no purpose at all. They are largely not even internally consistent.

The classic example is African American. A gut from visting the US from Haiti where his ancestors lived since the 1700s would be called an AA even though he has never even been to Africa and is not an American citizen. But Charlize (sp) Theron, born and raised in South Africa and now an American Citizen woukd never be called an AA. People would freak.

AA is a code word for "black", and everyone knows it.

>>142342385
welcome to the club 爆発

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>>142342081
slurs dressed up in politically correct terms is bullshit all the same

>>142342183
i mean its not up to me what other people do but if one dude never uses "jap" again because of something i wrote on the internet its worthwhile

its a win much bigger if someone stops saying nigger

>>142342255
keep kicking and screaming muppet ばくしょう

see picture

>>142342236
WHOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!

Good thing you were here to clear that up

>>142342432
jap isnt even a slur in most places though

you'd be dong actual hood if you went out into town and did it

you're basically just polluting the noosphere with unmarked data

What a great thread this is turning out to be. I hope Jamal says "dance muppets" and "tyler kim" and "爆笑" some more. Maybe I should invent my own posting style with my own special snowflake phrases so that being a nuisance on a general thread on 4chan gives my existence meaning.

>>142342547
it's not like anyone who's reading this thread instead of learning has any hope, so we shouldn't feel bad for shitting it up desu senpai 爆心地

>>142342432
you're only convincing people to use it to spite you, fag

>>142342044
山芋大好き

>>142342375
nah, that shit will be "offensive" in a year or two and they'll make up a new term

>>142342531
i mean i already went over how i feel about generalizations

>>142342547
im not the only one who refers to tymaster kimo that way nowadays but it feels good to see the 影響

show me your own original posting flavor and maybe ill let you be a support member of the cool posting team

>>142342632
its not like seeing the word in the internet bothers me on a personal level but its a easy topic to make everyone talk about since its not about japanese so you turn it on ill turn it up

in the end though i believe regardless of what they post i can trust my djt boys to make good choices in their hearts that will reflect in their real life

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>Correct answers on mature cards: 52/56 (92.9%)
Oh man that feels good.

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>>142342859
おにいちゃん

すき

>>142342034
Either export core to txt and give txt to rikai so you know which words are in core before mining them, or just drop core and mine full time.

What's a good way to learn mostly kanji and/or strictly kanji stuff?

I'm like those who, if you say a phrase loud, I can probably understand, but my reading is pretty lacking mostly due to kanji.

Tried flashcards, currently doing N3, going to N2 soon, but it's doesn't to be helping to read my h-mangos, I still see way too many words that I have no idea what they are, like this one recently: 視聴覚準備室 which I only knew it was "room" for something.

Reading those recommended novels are a pain when words like these appear, how do I fix this?

>>142342955
someones gonna tell you to read more and im gonna prolly just agree with them

>>142342955
>I still see way too many words that I have no idea what they are, like this one recently: 視聴覚準備室 which I only knew it was "room" for something.
That doesn't sound like you have a kanji problem, but the general lack of vocab problem.
Just do anki erry day like everyone else.

>>142342955
If you learn any unknown words you encounter eventually you will stop coming across unknown words

>>142338681
Because it's so hard to scroll up once and then click?

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What's a good resource to study counter words? I'm having a hard time with them.

>>142342955
have you tried fucking off to reddit?

>>142342955
Do a kanji deck, that's probably the most efficient way.

I refuse to do vocab flashcards but I can both read 視聴覚準備室 correctly and guess its meaning solely from the kanji.
I started reading manga and LNs for the first time only a month ago. Studied for 7 months before that doing a kanji deck and watching subbed cartoons.

>>142343187
you could look for a deck of counters on anki's shared decks

>>142343203
>Studied for 7 months before started reading manga and LNs
That doesn't make you method sound like the most effective one, bub.

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>Do anki whenever I shit
>Accidentally open anki app
>I haven't done my reps in almost 3 days
便秘

>>142339108
I've done this before. I came crawling back with ~3k reviews. Knowing you used to know words while you read them is really heartbreaking anon.

>>142343235
>Anki

I'm actually using Anki. I'm still having a hard time with them.

>>142343278
He asked for the most efficient way to learn kanji. Anki is pretty efficient.
I'm not so arrogant to say my study method is the most efficient one that exists. The stuff I'm reading isn't anything too low level, though; it's not like I waited 7 months before crawling through Hanahira or Yotsuba or some shit.

>>142343324
気をつけないと死ぬかもしれないぜ

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I'm attempting to translate a short faerie tale from Nip to English. The TL;DR version of it up to this point is "Shichisan Pass was home of a massive pack of wolves. When the wolves lined up in procession it would stretch from one side of the mountain to the other. If a human tried to walk through the pass, countless wolves would follow behind them. A merchant attempted to pass through the mountain and was attacked. He climbed into a tree, but the wolves started making a ladder out of themselves to chase after him. The merchant hit the oldest wolf on the head, the wolf ladder broke, and the wolves crawled away. He was climbing down the mountain when he came across a house and begged the residents to stay the night. They obliged and as he was walking down the hall, he heard a pained noise in one of the other rooms. When he asked what it was, the owner said that his grandmother had fallen from a ladder and hit her head earlier in the day."
The last line is:
不審に思った商人がその部屋をのぞくと、頭に大けがをした先ほどの年老いた狼が、布団にもぐりこんでうなり声を上げていた。

のぞく was the first road block because I'm assuming it's meant in a way that he's ignoring the room and then the second was with the 布団にもぐりこんでうなり声を上げていた。 My grasp of grammar isn't strong enough to understand what's going on in that half of the line.

The story's 駟馳山峠の千匹狼 (The Thousand Wolves of Shichisan Pass) for the interested.

>>142340782
If anything that should make it easier because of the lack of distractions. Everything you need to learn + anki works offline, so stock up on materials and you're good to go.

>>142343427
can you condense the tldr ver into the size of a tweet please also no i wont help you with your translation project

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>>142342547
>"爆笑"
I learned this yesterday from his shitposts then immediately saw it on the 2nd page of Zero no Tsukaima.

>>142343097
It is annoying and scrolling up messes up the texthooking because it copies the entire message log to the clipboard.

>>142343509
im tellin you its crazy dude

you learn a new word and you start seeing it flippin どこでも

>>142343497
Merchant climbs mountain full of wolves and gets attacked, fights off wolves, goes to rest in a nearby house where it's implied the residents are the wolves he fought earlier.

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>>142342909
そか
ありがと
俺の本物姉さん私を嫌い
妹さんは兄弟いる？
悪い日本語はすみません

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>don't do my reps for a few weeks
>they don't even pile up
better than expected

>>142343427
のぞく→覗く

布団にもぐりこんで
slipped into the futon [and]
うなり声を上げていた
let out a growl

you sound like you're not even close to being at the level where you should be doing translation projects tbqf

>>142343590
人間の服着てる狼の話とか

>politically correct bullshit

It's all in intent. If something is intended to be spiteful or disrespectful in nature, you have every right to be offended. If it's done with good nature or at least neutrality, or if it doesn't pass the straight face test, then getting offended is just being a self-centered drama whore. The latter is not bigotry.

I'm not going to barge into Japan and tell them to stop using 外人 because some people use it in a derogatory manner. You say that usually, it's just a casual shortening of 外国人? Fuck you, I know better than you do what the words that come out of your mouth are meant to convey!

And this is where the hypocritical, social ultra-authoritarian left who spit in the face of liberal ideals show off their intent to see to it that the classes of people who aren't protected by political correctness don't have any voice except that which agrees with them. No, you don't know what's going through my head better than I do. Why don't you listen to my explanation of what's going on in my head instead of deciding that your feelings are the only voice in the room worth listening to, or perhaps present some actual solid evidence that your claims are true (which will of course be scrutinized to see if it holds up, rather than the argument simply ending the moment that you begin to feel stupid, childish, or uncomfortable)

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この道路は大きくね

don't mind me just practicing

>>142343655
I'm aware I'm not, it's for practice.

>>142343723
Yeah, that's the gist of it.

>>142343823
even for practice

just read normally you crazy kook

if anything J→E translation takes more english writing skill than it does japanese reading comprehension

>>142343779
いつもどおりmajority rulesマザーファッカー

>>142343784
ボクのズボンはなかなか泥に染まったね

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>>142343593
もしおにいちゃんのおねえちゃんが

おにいちゃんをきらいでも

あたしはおにいちゃんがすきだよ

にほんでまってるよ

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>>142343624
I get 70% when I'm at my best...

>>142342786

With Sakura gone, that makes you public enemy #1. But you are small fry compared to him - hell, you can even make okay posts occasionally; he was hellbent on destroying the thread. Sakura was a menace, you're only an annoyance.

You are indeed an annoyance, though.

A part of me wants to take up the mantle of donning a retard's facade to annoy you right back. I realize it would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor since it would shit up DJT and you wouldn't cease the "Jamal" persona anyway, but I do have the urge. Outside of imouto, you're the only one who has bothered to create a persistent identity through their posts - if I did it as well, then you wouldn't be quite special anymore. You'd have to vie for attention with me. I'd be interested in seeing what I would be dubbed by DJT.

But I shan't cut off my nose to spite my face.　　After all, 鼻より談語.

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>>142343994
i guess your best is just not good enough...

How long until my japanese is better than yotsuba's? she's maybe like N3 or 2 right?

>>142344017
you wrote alot of words @ me so thanks for that

i definitely want people to do well with learning japanese and also with life generally

im not worried about all that weird meta sociopath shit you said though just do you dude whatever that may be

after all your 成功 is my 成功

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGoMUWz5rE

>>142343624
What's that true retention and how do I look it up?

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おいDJT
かっこつけんじゃねえよ

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>>142343888
Thank you kindly. I will return to my reps.

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i did it boys

Just to confirm because I've never encountered a scenario where the reading of kana is officially different from the writing as of yet, but, 独り can't be read as いちにん, correct?
I understand if you were to rewrite the kanji, they'd be the same, but my rikai dictionary is displaying 独り as both ひとり and いちにん. I assume it's just a mistake.

>>142344123
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242

Anki's correct % isn't "retention", because it counts all answers, not just answers on "review" cards. In other words, new cards and cards you've already flunked for the day continue to affect correct %, but "true retention" ignores them.

>>142344146
独り can only be read ひとり

>>142344146
>my rikai dictionary is displaying 独り as both ひとり and いちにん
Dude, what?

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Tfw I've been wanting to learn Japanese so badly, but I'm struggling to find the time or energy to study outside of school and work

>>142344125
そこの君もサボってんじゃねえぞ

>>142344181
>>142344184
Yeah, logically that's right, but I wanted to confirm it anyway. Thanks. I'm using what I believe to be a default rikai deck, if that means anything.

Regardless, I was curious to see if any official examples existed of kana being read as something different, like how many chuu2 authors write loan words.

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>>142344160
Well, that doesn't look too different from the regular thing, guess that's because I rarely fail the same card twice.
Oh well.

>>142338708
4th day in
I can finally read this

>>142344119

I was pretty pissed at you in the beginning of writing that but I got it out of my system and I fabricated the rest of it for that bilingual pun, which I thought was pretty good. Disappointed it didn't get a reaction. Also decent song, I was listening to that guy's 音色 earlier.

Still don't like you and wish you would stop posting but like I said, you're no Sakura, so whatever.

>>142344329
Yeah most people are only about 4% higher in true retention. Some people are significantly lower, but that's pretty much just people with a large number of new cards, a large number of learning steps, and a very high retention. Or people with a large number of relearning steps that refuse to press "again" on lapsed cards unless it's the final step; those exist.

>>142344252
well why do you want to die?

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>>142344252
talk to us 子供　

>>142344367
i mean i had no fedora to tip at it honestly but ill give you your props i guess

kudos

bring your head over here so i can 撫で撫で it

also its ok dude just dont let the hate consume you

>>142344329
>80%+
I've been told this is the average
How long does it take to score like that? I still haven't broken past 70% but people said that's only nornal in the beginning

>>142344119
I'm legitimately curious why you give shitty wrong answers to questions if you actually want people to do well

>>142344614
I'm doing this for a year. My retention was complete shit in the beginning, of course.

>>142340801
Jap may sound great, but it comes from Japan, which we shouldn't be saying at all because that's not what they call themselves in Japan.

>>142344753
Nip sounds like an actual slur, though.

>>142340801
和人 is pretty easy to say. I'm sure the nips would dig it

>>142344640
いつかストリートに立って振り返ればとピンとくるはずだ

>アラサー
every time

how do i can learn english

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>still messing up when, what, which, where, etc

>>142344919
That actually sounds alright. The only problem is that it only works for Japanese people, and you can't substitute 人 for 語 since 和語 means "native-Japanese words" rather than "Japanese language".

>>142345042
どうしてじゃろう

>>142344975
ヤリサー

How do the japs shorten nihon?

>>142345181
にっ

Why does chitose in yuru yuri use うち so much? Is it kansai ben or just grammar to represent "while" and "during"

>>142345245
It's bumpkinspeak for "me".

>>142345245
It's just another 私

>>142345298
>>142345303
holy shit ive been reading it wrong for so long

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>>142345099

>>142345349
its actually short for うんち

>>142345245
watch more country bumpkin cartoons

pretty much all the girls in NNB use it too

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Hey, /djt/ can you tell me some shows which have characters learning, or who have learned, japanese?
The show doesn't have to revolve around it.

Seeing these characters motivates me.

Examples of what I've seen so far would be Sketchbook full colors, Kiniro Mosaic, Lucky Star and Outbreak Company.

>>142345113
How does English survive without all these useful words

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>>142345595
Not anime, but

>>142345595
ガールフレンド(仮)

>>142341974
Threadly reminder that you should stop posting that because it's a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/

>>142345715
threadly reminder im gay

爆笑

>>142345957
happens way more than once a thread if i rc

>>142345997
dont sweat the details 相棒

>>142345638
The last couple of pages of this were fucking rad. I wonder if the sequel is ever gonna come out. I still haven't read futari though

>>142341747
Try one of the Japanese Readers from the CoR. Nobody seems to use them for whatever reason.

how the fuck do i memorize 2000 kanji?
fucking learning as i go along and i'm at about ~1300 kanji now..

maybe i should have done RTK ?

>>142343444
Great, thanks. I remember when I first learned hiragana I was using realkana and when I tried to study them without internet it felt impossible because I was using the anki deck with all of them in one, whereas with realkana i was doing one row at a time and gradually adding them

>>142346275
1 at a time i guess dude goodluck

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>>142346275
>how the fuck do i memorize 2000 kanji?
fucking learning as i go along and i'm at about ~1300 kanji now..

?

>>142346275
>learning as i go along
Just keep doing this.

>>142346347
>fucking up memetext
report me

僕

>>142346347
>>142346337
i mean im just forgetting newer kanji so often now.
it's disheartening.
it's because something like the ~1000 most common kanji are used a ton and the other 1000 are used way less often so i have a hard time getting exposure.

I know none of us can actually read Japanese, but I have to ask, as someone who's transitioned to watching their adorable chinese cartoons wthout subs, do you find the Japanese language beautiful?

I can't imagine getting to the point where I feel it can affect me the same way English can. It's possible I'll always just be translating quickly in my head, and feel too removed from the material to enjoy something, but regardless, I don't even think I'll ever actually appreciate the nuance enough to appreciate it on an aesthetic level, or whatever.

>>142346275
>fucking learning as i go along and i'm at about ~1300 kanji now..
You mean learning through vocab?

Do a radical deck if you're struggling. You can finish it in a week at 30 kanji a day. At only 15 a day it's doable in a fortnight. There's some info in the guide.

>>142346456
i think thats mostly a meme honestly

while its true your world is your oyster with regards to expression in nihongo people who think the language itself is pretty or whatever got issues

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Will I ever learn Japanese?

I'm so sick of Anki. I've been barely studying grammar because I'm stressing about my reps and I feel like the words I'm learning are random as fuck. I think I'll do a few more weeks of this before I move on to just picking up vocab from books and shit, before I get sick of this shit.

This is with 13 new cards a day.

>>142346456
I learned English as second language, and now I think in English and fully understand the nuances or whatever, I don't see how the same can't happen for japanese too, it just takes years of learning.

are exhentai favorites private

i wanna start saving raws but i'm going to be switching between different browsers on different platforms and trusting some third party program to handle bookmarks would be even more retarded

>>142346590
You have to do anki every day, not every once in a while.

>>142346536
Eh, you've never read and got like, chills/goosebumps or felt moved in any way?

Even when I was younger and felt like crying because of some anime being overdramatically gay, I felt it was the subs that were helping, because it reminded me of literature - I actually rarely was moved in the same way with native language media, which is probably why I became such a weeab loser in the first place.

>>142346608
Well I mean, living in Japan, I still think Japanese people are emotionally stunted individuals, so their media/society could just be devoid of that sort of beauty. I probably just take language more seriously than most because faggotry though.

>>142346205
>Nobody seems to use them for whatever reason.
The only worthwhile Japanese readers there (Read Real Japanese series) are actually much harder than your average moege. Those readers are actually a good bridge between easy stuff and novels/plotge/etc.

>>142346275
Just keep doing vocab, I initially though it's impossible, a year later I'm at 2500+ and learning new ones is piss easy.

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>>142344614
ive noticed a trend, if i enter a calorie deficit(800 a day) to drop some kg my retention will also slowly drop to like 65%

if you're trying to cut then your memory is gonna suck apparently

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>>142341974

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>>142341974
FINDS

>>142346768
i mean yeah but ive felt the same way in english and i wouldnt say one language is inherently more beautiful

its how you use it to express obviously

the only language thats objectively ass is like that european one that sounds like my dog farting or whatever someone will chime in on that cause they know what im talkin about

>>142346456
>do you find the Japanese language beautiful?
Yeah.
I might not get the nuance a lot of times but even the way it sounds gives me a boner.

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>>142341974
Dammit.

>>142346456
I actually really like how different characters in different moods etc can talk in such different ways.

>>142346590
>18 out of 30 days studied
>13 words a day
>Will I ever learn Japanese?
No

What does "裏腹fall in love" mean it's from a highly praised japanese novel

>>142346937
I'm not at the point where I can notice different speech patterns, outside of cutesy, manly, feminine, childish, anime Japanese and formal/informal.

I think there's probably beauty in how succinct it can be, but I'm a bit guilty for liking long, drawn out passages.

I wanted to learn Japanese partly to understand the appeal of Murakami's novels, which just seemed so dry and plain in English - as I'm learning, I'm beginning to suspect it might just be the nature of the language and have lost a little confidence in enjoying anything more than compelling content like mango and porn.

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>>142341974

>>142347126
Norwegian wood was pretty fucking boring in japanese sorry to tell you

Murakami is as popular as he is because he is famous overseas, which means the translation is as much responsible for his popularity, if not more, as the original novels are.

おはようおにいちゃん

おなかすいた

さくらんぼたべたい

>>142347257
フルーツは軽すぎて食べてもお腹を満たさないとおもうよ

>>142347257
偽者だ

>>142347257
冷蔵庫にちんこがあります

いっしょうにたべよ

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>>142347345
妹は偽物でも妹だ
可愛い愛すべき存在
それが偽物であってもなにも変わりゃしない

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>>142347325
じゃあ、ゆすらうめ・・・ゆすらうめいっしょにたべよ

いま収穫最盛期だよ

おいしいよ

>>142346768
what kind of literature is it reminding you of if you've never been moved by native language media, chucklefuck?

anyway to answer your first question, I legitimately like the way the japanese grammar is laid out to express certain things
probably like it more than english, and though I haven't read much more than some manga volumes and the first 40 pages of an LN yet, I'm maybe at least halfway to where you might say I can "read japanese"
nuance behind language is 100% intuition so it really just depends on whether the language fits you or not

but I'm not a dirty fucking EOP, so although english is my native language, I never saw it as the one and only way to express emotion, in fact to me it probably developed as a less from-the-heart language because I would rarely speak it to my relatives in childhood

"translating in your head" is by the way literally impossible if you want to be comprehend any language in real time, or read more complex sentences, so you are forced to grow out of doing that fairly early in the process

also I think you're full of shit about being "moved" by goddamn english subtitles, that's putting way too much faith in the subbers' literary ability to carry the language over
I remember some ghibli movies affecting me intensely back in the day but you have to admit that there is much less leaning on the beauty of prose in an animation than there is on simple human emotion which you can easily interpret with your eyes
so while the subs were "helping" in whatever way they could, what you were really moved by was the rest of the content included in the medium, because obviously you weren't reading a book
I mean anime characters mostly say fairly basic phrases that don't take very much effort to translate, and in the case of source material with more nuanced prose, good luck finding anyone willing to adequately translate for free (see: jintai)

Why does Yotsubato get recommended more than VNs like Flyable Heart when looking up words you don't know is so made so much easier in VNs compared to manga thanks to text hookers?

>>142347669
>what kind of literature is it reminding you of if you've never been moved by native language media, chucklefuck?
Oh, there I just meant subbed versus dub anime (and native cartoons). Of course there's a lot more factors involved for why I prefer one over the other, but my point was just that it was a motivation that's fallen through a bit over the years. Didn't mean to make it sound like it applied to all types of media.

You're probably right though - it's just been in my mind lately that I enjoyed things more NOT knowing Japanese more than I do knowing some Japanese now. Just trying to figure out why. I could just be outgrowing anime, I suppose, or I'm looking back with rose-tinted glasses.

>>142346456
i really love the way they talk, not so much in anime but in dramas

their conversational speech (the aizuchi etc) is really high and the way they can say so much while saying so little (a simple そうですか or sarcastic なるほどね) just brings a smile to my face.

>>142347877
Flyable heart is shit and Yotsuba doesn't have narration

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>>142341974
IYAAAAAA

>>142347897
>their conversational speech (the aizuchi etc) is really high
I remember when I first moved here without a scrap of Japanese, and was really confused why cute girls kept grunting "UNNNN" at everything I said.

Now I've come to love those adorable little noises and have a new appreciation for JAV.

>>142347914
But is not having the added difficulty of narration really worth putting up with the inconvenience of manually looking up words?

>>142348032
I assume you're asking because you've never read anything. Yotsuba is far easier than any VN with narration. Looking up words manually is not a problem and is something you need to get used to anyway

>>142347894
well I could never stand watching a dubbed anime no matter what it was which is part of why I decided to start learning the language

my favorite media to consume were music and anime, and knowing some japanese it feels like I've discovered something that was there since the beginning and it's been pretty much the opposite of what you said about enjoying things more not knowing the language
after all the sounds did not change at all, all that changed was a new layer of actual meaning above the content I already enjoyed and wasn't fully satisfied with reading in english

ultimately it comes down to whether or not you like the culture and how the language is structured, and how much of a stupid EOP fuck you are

>>142348032
yotsuba is full of furigana so you can just have jisho open and type the word in if you don't know it
not even worth complaining about

>tfw your posts in japanese get ignored

>>142348665
Well, maybe if it was in English so we could read it, people would have replied.

>>142348032
When you first start out there's actually some benefit in having to manually look up words - since you've not completely mastered the kana yet, having to type them out to look them up ensures you're reading them properly every time. Definitely worthwhile reading Yotsuba before you move to superior VN literature.

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>>142341974

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>>142348665
>tfw im glad since i probably made really obvious mistakes

>>142346916
you dont get to see much do ya
must be nice

Does anki use gtk on linux? My buttons are blacked out and so is the text on the buttons, so I can't read it

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>keep getting pictures of japanese street signs in my captchas
The botnet is real.

>>142349334
If it does:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications

>>142349434
>>142349434
thanks, that fixed it

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>>142349654
No prob.

>>142338405
hey djt, is it there a correlation between prosody and comprehension?
When I "intonate" while reading in my mind, my comprehension gets better.
Is it just a placebo effect or is it something real?

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おにいちゃんおなかすいた

ちょっとはずかしいけど

ぎょうざたべたい

>>142349918
nothing is real

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>>142349934
ほら、食え

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA0-YEtoUBQ

>>142349941
Fuck off Musk

>>142349941
That's nothing to get hung about.

>>142349918
its almost like songs were made to help remember stories
and now they're used by rappers to buy versace and gulfstream aerospace products

>>142349918
yeah intonation is important in speech to make it easier to tell how parts of a sentence relate to each other

like how you would say "burning houses" a little differently if you meant the action of burning houses vs. houses that are burning vs. houses used for the purpose of burning something

naturally adding it to written language based on what you know from context would make it easier to comprehend too

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>>142350131

そんな貧乏人向けの残飯と出て行け！こりゃ本当のご馳走なんだ。

日本語出来たい

>>142350369

I go really slow when reading with intonation, I feel like when I was 4.
Thanks for answering though, I did not know a better place where to ask.

>>142350320
I remember studying something like that when I was studying narrative or such shit at my college.
Still no one talked about prosody and foreign language comprehension.

How did you guys really get your grammar down?

Do you take notes and then study them?

Read manga and then compare with translations?

>>142350516
Everyone here just memorizes a bunch of vocabulary and strings it together into some semblance of a meaningful sentence.

We're all hoping that if you just keep reading more manga, it'll all just fall into place one day.

A few people are able to learn the difference between は and が but that takes a few weeks and after that it's really hard to stay motivated.

>>142350516
i havent really, just hoping to read something and make sense of it
and then remember how i made sense of it

Best way to read Yotsuba in Japanese for newfags?

>>142350516
I took notes while reading Tae Kim. It helped me memorize. After that just use TK or google as reference when you go along.

Comparing manga with translations might seem a good idea at first but most of the time translations are full of errors and/or localized memes and as a beginner you have no way of telling

>>142350715
Start on volume 1 and go one page at a time

>>142350715
right to left

>>142350516
>Read manga and then compare with translations?

I tried to do that, but that only works when the groups translating it actually know Japanese. So don't really rely on that.

Review the DOJG whenever you come across something you're not 100% sure about, and eventually it'll stick.

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>>142350715
dick in hand

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>>142350958
amen

>>142350822
There's plenty of good source material with licensed, professionally-produced English translations.
Or are the likes of Yen Press about as reliable as scanlators?

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>>142350958
Fuuka is fucking best waifu of our generation. I might have to reread yotsubato for her. It's been so long

>>142351044
No other characters awakes my instinct to impregnate and take full responsibility.

>>142350958
There's a doujin based on that.

t. exhentai pro who hasn't even read yotsuba

>>142350516
>Read manga and then compare with translations?

This is a good technique, as long as you realize the translation isn't always accurate.

>>142351152
theres a hentai flash game based on it and im playing it right now sticking all kinda stuff up her ass lmao

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私の肛門のまわりにすっげー微妙なところみつけた
なんつっか、「膜」という場所
擦るとなんか痛くなるけど、そこにうんこが集まっているからしょうがないなー

>>142351152
Everyone knows about it, "exhentai pro" san.

>>142351235
Anon please, you have to have a link.

>>142351271
just google window girl

>>142351236
君の投稿はうんこの集まり爆笑

>>142351271
its stored in the year 2004 use the wayback machine

>>142351263
Are you talking back to me, kid?

>>142351349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcujQwmEcl0

yea boi

>>142351235
I remember playing that back in the good old days of flash, and then when I picked up yotsuba I thought "oh shit it's that bitch that was stuck in the window that I molested"

What's this keit meme I'm missing out on

>>142351608
don't worry you're not missing out on anything important

What's this keit meme I'm missing out on?

>>142342444
Why should I go through the trouble of explaining why when he doesn't provide any sources either? It's pretty obvious that not all Japanese know all the common Kanji. Not all Japanese went to highschool which means some people don't even know 2000. If one would google it there are enough sources for it.

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>>142350398
うなぎ、いちにんまえ１５００えんくらいだよ

かたたたきするから、おごって

>>142343568
バーダー・マインホフ 効果

>>142351645
its a story abotu a boy and his telly

>>142351645
It's a story about a boy and his magical pair of wellies.

>>142352291
fucking william
i was more into super ted

>>142351645
its a story about a boy and his special dunny

>>142352385
>super ted
I remember those dope ass multi-vitamins.

>>142327673

>Do you have some examples you have trouble with?

In japanese the root of the clause is always* a >verb, i-adjective, or copular statement (i.e. です・だ・etc), and it's always last. Relative clauses (i.e. the person [that's driving the car] is tired) directly modify a noun by sticking to the left of it, wheras non-relative clauses use things called conjunctions like から or のに. The thing about conjunctions is that they're modifying the entire clause to their left, hence something on the right modifying something on the left. If you try to think about it as things to the left modifying things to the right then you're going to have trouble un-nesting long sentences because you have to backtrack further.

>* There are caveats but you don't care about them.

To whoever made this comment thank you, it helped me a lot.
Now I think it's easier to backtrack.
僕が食べた林檎 in my mind is now:(僕が食べた)<林檎.
The head noun points to the left, the verbs points to the left to the particles.
I don't know if I explained it correctly, but thank you

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>>142341974

誰がリール〜ニガー時間さ起こんですかん

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Post JCat/JLPT scores

>>142352912
no

>>142352912
Think I got like 220 total

Although if the questions weren't timed, and you could replay the audio in the listening section, I would have easily gotten around 260 or so

>>142353205
>If cheating was allowed I would have gotten a much higher score
Well no shit

>>142353327
How is that cheating? Being timed just makes me all flustered and unable to concentrate properly, and replaying audio seems like a pretty standard thing to be able to do, although I am just generally weak at listening comprehension so it was probably more on my end of things

>>142353381
Are you retarded?

>>142353452
Well yeah somewhat but I don't see what that has to do with anything

Fuck Japs I fucking hate these subhuman monkeys and their subhuman monkey language.

We should have forced them to switch to English after WW2.

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>>142353698

>>142353698
Someone couldn't できる

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>>142352912
Think I got like 259 total

Although if the questions weren't timed, and you could replay the audio in the listening section, I would have easily gotten around 290 or so

>>142352912
69

>>142353990
I know that feel

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ぞい子アニメの放送開始はいつ？

紳士的勝負やろうぜ

>>142354364
カンチョーッ

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fuck grammar so much

>English board
>circlejerks are comfy
>shitposting filled threads are annoying

>Japanese board
>circlejerks put me to sleep
>shitposting-filled threads are entertaining

Anyone else experience this phenomena?

does 弾く only mean to play a piano/guitar or can it be used for any instrument

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>>142354545
For instruments you blow you use 吹く

>>142354545
It only applies to stringed instruments

>>142354545

http://jisho.org/search/%E5%BC%BE%E3%81%8F%20%23sentences

>>142353990
It's all part of the challenge. If you could replay the audio that would defeat the purpose completely.

>>142354621
But replaying audio seems like a pretty standard thing to be able to do, although I am just generally weak at listening comprehension so it was probably more on my end of things