One Piece

>>142335504
When haki became relevant the series turned almost instantly into shit.

There's no functional difference between having it and not

No, but Oda wrote himself into a corner with these logia fruits and had to figure out a way to deal with them so we got Haki. He could only go so far with the Water/Sand and Rubber/Lightning counters and using seastone for everything would probably get annoying. So you take the hit creatively in order to get past an obstacle he created.

Though the Haki thing that bugs me the most is the CoC one. Since putting limitations about having to be born "special" to have it turns me off Haki more than it otherwise would.

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>>142335504
Will we ever see another genuine face like that from Luffy?
Ever since the timeskip he devolved into a goody parody of what he was before. Not a single intense moment like there used to have every arc.

There's a thread already. The chapter is out. Why do you have an old photo? We need to discuss the new chapter.

Everyone come of the real thread
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Big Mom
>87 children
>43 husbands
>twins for each = 86 children
>1 special child
Big Mom marries a man and bears twins each time. Something must be significant in this.
>Lola clearly has a twin
>Pudding is never shown to be the same person as the 3-eyed girl...yet. Could be twins.
WHAT'S GOING ON????????

>>142336136
Here's a list of possible counters he could have used.

Fire/Water

Smoke/Wind

Ice/Heat

Magma/Cold then break the stone

Gaz/Lightning

Swamp/Scorch

Light/Mirrors

Darkness/Light

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>>142337145
>Cancerous BTFO thread
>Advertising your own thread

fuck off and reprtd.

>>142337194
Makes sense. It's going to play out one way or the other. They are probably gonna substitute one for the other.

It doesn't matter anyway because we're headed for a red wedding sort of affair. Germa is delivering someone else's regards.

>>142337250
That would get old quickly. Fighting logias would be a pain in the ass, and the fights people seem to the enjoy most are straight up brawls like Lucci/Luffy anyway

I think it had a positive impact on the series. There are still a few ways it could have been executed better. First of all it would have been nice if we saw characters go through supernatural kung-fu training in order to acquire it. It would also be nice if armor Haki was restricted to being used 2 or 3 times during a single fight. The manga could show Luffy thinking "alright I can only use Haki two more times, I gotta make it count" and we would wonder whether he would use it for offense or defense, and we would have a clearer idea of who is winning or losing the fight.

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>>142337573
If you reread East Blue and early Grand Line, Oda was actually going for complicated heavily choreographed fights with lots of inventive counters.

Enies Lobby was the beginning of the decline when it just turned into 'imma punch your fist and you gonna punch my fist'.

Take Dofflamingo's fight. In early One Piece you can damn bet he wouldn't have been that strong but his strings would have been unbreakable. And finding the counter to that or breaking the strings would have been the pinnacle of the entire fight.

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>>142337773
>Oda was actually going for complicated heavily choreographed fights
Top kek any proof?

>>142337717
>It would also be nice if armor Haki was restricted to being used 2 or 3 times during a single fight.
Yeah but it would only lead to abuse where the power of Nakama allows him to use it as many times as he want if he really wants it. Killing any sort of tension tight resource management might generate.

There isn't any drawback to using Haki, right? Like it hasn't been established that they can only use it a limited amount of times, so they should use it on every attack from now on.

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>>142337905
Yes? Considering it actually was a thing until Enies Lobby.

Why is this thread still up?
OP is samefagging .
Just let it die.

Come to the real thread. We don't need 2 threads
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>>142338028
Luffy can go full nigger mode for 20 min. There isn't really much of a drawback unless Oda skips part of the fight like he did in dressdrossa, which is bullshit.

>>142338167
>being this buttblasted

We get it. You want to advertise your cancerous shipping thread that you made before bump limit was reached.

Hide and report your spam.

>>142337312
Actually he wasn't that was my thread

>>142338286
That's not his thread

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>>142338349
>posts exactly 1 min apart

Breath a little next time. Your new is showing.

>>142336136
It's my personal belief that the counters never did shit and Luffy was just unconsciously tapping into dat Haki. I mean the dude can make stone turn to sand, do you really think a few drops of water really fuck him up that much? The blood thing was bullshit too, it would coagulate too quickly to do shit. Same with Enel, the immunity makes sense I guess but it's a stretch(rubber joke), how did the golden ball hit him too? Haki motherfucker.

>>142338127
That's it? You don't read much manga do you? That isn't really anything special.

>>142337773
The future Pirate King is going to find a counter for everything in his entire journey. Are you a child or something? Do you want One Piece to be a manga about puzzles and full of cheesy counter bullshit while you are at it? Brute force fights are the best.

>>142338470
autist

>>142338533
lol says the retarded far end spectrum guy that enjoys cheesy shit like counters and puzzle solving. go dunk your head in a toilet you idiot.

Ever since they explained haki I've been waiting for Robin to use armament Haki and create a field of haki enhanced limbs to just beat the shit out of something. She'd be a top contender for best fighter on the crew, and her abilities are so underused as it is.

When will Krieg return and wreck everyone's shit? His will was on par with fucking Luffy, he just needed to train, and I can see him being the type to do that.

>>142338575
I'm not the one who insulted you.

As far as shonen goes One Piece was more like JoJo until it decided to be more like DBZ for some reason.

And we all know what is the superior manga.

>>142338750
>I've been waiting for Robin to use armament Haki and create a field of haki enhanced limbs to just beat the shit out of something. She'd be a top contender for best fighter on the crew, and her abilities are so underused as it is.

>implying Robin is strong

She would just get exhausted then shredded by someone with a superior haki. Her fruit isn't that good desu

Will Carrot join the crew? I want her more than Jinbei.

>>142338427
Nah. His fist hit enel first, causing his lightning to cancel. Then the ball. And it was more of the weight of the ball that caused the damage.

>>142338903
She can literally make haki fists from anywhere, including other people's bodies. She can make them huge if she wants.

The only reason that wouldn't be a high tier fruit is if the user didn't know how to use it.

>>142339178
She takes damage if a single one is hurt. A strong enemy would just grab one and shred it.

It seems size is mostly irrelevant now in One Piece. Used to be a thing but not since the last part of Grand Line.

>>142338852
Not the guy you are responding to, but I agree you.

I'm not as hyped for the fights coming up, but Oda revealing some crazy power ups has made the DBZ style fights bearable. But that novelty will most likely wear off like the tiered flashbacks we have been getting.

>>142338770
Never.

>>142339633

You know the Oda's readers by now. He gave Zoro an intellectual challenge with Pica instead of a physical one that required him to borrow abilities from guys like Orlumbus to execute his plan. People trashed it and said Zoro doesn't get good fights anymore, that's why Oda is heading into DBZ territory.

>>142339633
>but Oda revealing some crazy power ups has made the DBZ style fights bearable.
The saving grace is that there's so many interesting fighters that it's somehow enjoyable to keep discovering new crazy power. But then they devolve into set damage attacks like it's some kind of RPG.

Maybe this is why Oda now focuses on huge battles and tons of new characters at the expanse of making existing characters shallow and fights rushed.

>>142339783
He could have just jumped from roof to roofs at super speed. That's the problem with Oda making characters way too strong, this could have happened and no one would have bat an eye. It takes away a lot from the suspense when he's inconsistent with the distances and character's abilities.

>>142335504
It gave a way for Luffy to pierce logia powers.

>>142339783
>People trashed it and said Zoro doesn't get good fights anymore
who said that? it was like his second post timeskip fight. during the first one he almmost finshed off the arc boss (Hody)

>>142338987
She is annoying, but the good kind of annoying.

>>142335504
The only impact it had at all was explaining how normal people could fight logia users, so in that I suppose it's good. Every application other than that was unnecessary though.

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>people in this thread RIGHT NOW actually take Pudding at face value and think it's just a nice happy coincidence that Big Mom's daughter just literally flew down to the SHs, acting all innocent and being like "Oh I didn't realise you were SH Luffy, one of the most wanted people in the world!!!"

https://youtu.be/KqDYlrPnIy4?t=10s

>>142339436
She could flower her hand inside someone's heart, or just her teeth. She could literally line someone's lungs with 1000s of her teeth.

>>142339436
>She takes damage if a single one is hurt.
That's why the Haki

>tfw no lewds of Koala and Nojiko together

What do you think about the idea that Big Mom had her kids not by fucking a load of men but by eating them and spawning humans? Like a kind of Wapol flesh factory.

>>142340873
She can't do that in a solid.

>>142335504
I think it's been okay, but it was the result of Oda writing himself into a pretty bad hole.

>>142342513
There's air in your lungs. There's air all inside you. And she can do it in water or liquid, which makes up a hell of a lot of your insides. Just spawn a hand in someone's mouth and go down their throat, that'd be another choice.

>>142342570
nah its unlikely she can do that.

>>142340820
>Land on an island
>Luffy befriends the local princess
sounds about right
She's lived a sheltered life never struggling for anything so course she'd be Naive

>>142339436
>It seems size is mostly irrelevant now in One Piece
>g4 isn't a larger luffy

>>142342822
Nothing Oda has said means she can't do that. In other words, she can definitely do it based on what we know. It's just a case of if Oda is willing or has thought of it. It's like how Doflamingo could just have put a little bird cage of wires around himself and Luffy couldn't have done a thing... but nope.

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>Ichiji apparently has something against Sanji even though he last saw him when he was like 6

What's his damage

>>142343013
Maybe he thinks Sanji having disappeared for all those years was betrayal and he took it personally.

>>142335504
Negative impact for sure.

>>142336136
With how little importance Seastone has had in the series i would have welcomed its use.

>>142342973
Yeah I get your point. There's no arguing because it's a plot hole. But she shouldn't be able to do that tho cus that would be OP-

>>142340113
It sucks. Water Luffy vs. Croc was awesome. I loved Luffy's out of the box thinking that got him through fights.

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>>142335504
What was /a/'s reaction?

>>142343289
Why didn't any magma gurgle past that flimsy blade?

>>142342973
Robin said she has to see something to sprout limbs on it. You can't see someone's innards unless...they become outtards, I guess.

>>142343347
nanomachines

>>142343013
He broke up their sentai team.

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>>142343461
Well that's an answer

>>142343483
Dammit. If Sanji was the youngest he could have been called 'Baby Blue'.

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>>142343013
>Sanji has defective genes so his eyebrows go the opposite way

I met he's Dadji's bastard son with a whore

>>142343013
Sanji was betrothed to Purin since he was born. When he ran off, Ichiji thought he could marry Purin instead because he loves her, but he still wasn't allowed to. That's why he hates Sanji: bastard cucks him even when he's god knows where.

>>142338770
This arc is when he will return. Gin joined Germa 66 after being saved by Sanji's sister. Don Krieg didn't but will now go to the wedding because he heard that not only is Gin there but also Sanji and Luffy.
This is the year of Kreig.

>>142343286
this

Imagine the beautiful alternative universe where Doflamingo won and Luffy's head was put on a pike outside of the castle. Glorious.
At least that's what I do when I remember the god-awful end to that fight. Booooo.

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Did they really have to phrase it like this? It's so eye-rolly

>>142345734
Brook is awesome.

I miss the times when people thought Haki was the force of will that let Zoro talk with swords in his mouth, Sanji not wince from setting his legs on fire, and Nami hurt Luffy with her slaps. Actual Haki made OP so much more formulaic and dull.

>>142343013
Ichiji was jealous of Sanji getting all his father's attention even though he is the first son and most loyal. Their Dadji was interested in Sanji more since he is the only one who has the mirrored eyebrows like his father. Probably some successor bullshit.

Ichiji was relieved when Sanji left but got pissed again when his father wouldn't stop looking for that traitor brother.

Look at him now. Working hard on a Germa mission, and now he has to drop everything to go to his shit little brother's wedding, because that's all his father cares about. Not Ichiji.

>>142343013
Damn, these really are Fairy Tale´s design tier.

>>142345832
He's the most useless crew member though
>musician
>swordsman even thought Zoro's already a god swordsman
Although, his fruit actually makes him literally impossible to defeat unless he's in seawater so that gives him some credit. Like he could save his crewmates by tanking hits for them or swim through through lava if needed, doesn't affect him.

>>142335504

Worst three things to happen to the series were easily

1. Haki
2. Sabo
3. Awakening

>>142346144
Agreed about Sabo.

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Haki improved the series immensely. It gave non-fruit users better tools to fight against them. Otherwise its like, yeah ok, how are you gonna beat a dude who is magma or light.

>>142346243
Yah, if you think haki ruined the series that means it was ruined in the first chapter.

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>Law Bullying: The Manga
Why can't he have nice things?

This chapter proved Nami likes Sanji. Did you guys see the faces she was making? She did not like what she was hearing at all. She even had to make sure if pudding like Sanji or not that she asked her.

haki was god tier

until it started showing on characters as a color change

it could be interpreted as "readers now can see hakibecause observationhaki!"
but that's a lazy excuse

it would have been fine if it stayed hidden, like, luffy can punch smoker.

>>142346295
Stop being autistic you know everyone is speaking about armament haki here.

Or you're an actual autist, in which case you should probably head to specialized communities for your kind.

>>142346717
also like hancock managed to take down smoker in the war, but her legs didn't turn black

>>142346736
Fuck off you passive-aggressive wanker.

>>142346770
When someone just spout this sort of bullshit for the 1000th time, when it's clear armament haki is the one people have in mind, he shouldn't expect any better.

>>142346640
eh, don't see it

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>>142346133
>most useless crew member
not even a Brookfag, but hell no is Brook useless

>Functions as a bodyguard for the weaker members of the crew when the heavy hitters are off getting shit done
>is fast enough to wipe the floor with hundreds of mooks and strong enough to take on third-tier bosses
>has an array of OHKO moves; the ice slash from hell, that one move where he makes opponents dance before slashing them
>His ghost mode is perfect for recon in strange lands
>has yet to lose a 1v1 battle since he joined the crew, because he's crafty and chooses his battles. He can lull stronger opponents into a false sense of security before raping them
>Is a wise sage with 80 plus years of worldly knowledge

Why is Brook so underestimated by /a/non's here? You guys even give Chopper more credit than you do Brook

>>142346864
So he's just a weak zoro?

The only thing that's worth something in what you mentioned is his ghost form. But even then Robin does it better.

He's also retarded, not wise.

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whose down to talk about one piece on snapchat? Got some questions but dont want to be that spoiled

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Carrot
>Multiple costume changes
>Trespassers gimmick
>Already gets along with the crew
>Wants to see the world
>Probably will co-opt Big Mom's dream with no ulterior motives
>Another grill

N A K A M A
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Just thought of something; How do the Vinsmokes have access to tech that most of the world has never seen before? Either they have access to a Vegapunk tier scientist or they discovered some blue prints from the people of the ancient kingdom

>>142347024
It's gonna go over the top i there are two furries in the crew.

>>142346999
I was about to offer my help but then it has dawned upon me that you are a phone user.

Fuck phone users. Driving down this website one phonepost at a time.

>>142335504
Haki didn't start to drag the series down until Oda had to color code Armament. Shanks in the first chapter, Eneru and the Amazons, and Garp being able to punch luffy and the Marine battle where ace died all made Haki an interesting facet of the world and not something that lent itself too easily to power wank.

Now it's about who can out haki the next person and it made Law vs Vergo a little groan-worthy. And some other fights as well.

Not terrible but it's a problem I've seen in a couple other series where the writer feels the need to telegraphy something visually that the reader (an intelligent reader at least) can infer it's use through context. BnHA has the same thing with Full Cowl in the manga and the anime in general with the lightning effect.

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>>142346967
his main value is in keeping the weaker members like Nami, Usopp and Chopper safe when the stronger members are away. They can take care of themselves, yes, but they lack the raw combat experience and technique that Brook has. And yes, he's a goof, but he's also one of the most loyal SH's and knows a ton about the OP world; granted his experience and knowledge hasn't come into play much, but I have a feeling it will in the coming chapters

>>142347240
Honestly, I think all of the Straw Hats are just as loyal as another. They've all had their bad moments, but they've gotten over them by now.

>>142347240
>he's also one of the most loyal SH's
they're all loyal

At least we all can agree who are the bravest men in the world, the ones that put their dick inside Big Mom.

>>142346864
He only fights grunts and joke enemies.
He doesn't even play music that often, his one real job.

If they never met brook, the manga wouldnt change in any way, except there would be less puns and there would be one less person watching zoro fight ryuma.

>>142347498
>implying they did so willingly
>implying they haven't all been turned into sweets and eaten or turned into grinning, leering pieces of furniture

>>142335504
Having haki does not mean being stronger than a logia user without haki. Logia powers themselves are strong. Ace's power level therefore was not unreasonable if he masters his power. It's not needed to develop haki if he could use his power to beat people with it. Strong people are logia types too. Having haki just makes them scarier.

>>142346717
>it would be fine if it stayed hidden
The problem with that is all of luffy attacks would look the same and we wouldn't know when haki was being used and when it wasn't.

>>142340395
>during the first one he almmost finshed off the arc boss (Hody)

And Zoro was underwater as well. Zoro would of shit on Hody if he got to fight him not in the water like Luffy did.

If we're talking about uselessness as a whole for the ship then the order would go
Luffy>Robin>sanji>franky>=nami>=chopper>brook>=usopp>zoro

>>142347049

Because they are royalty speed reader.

>>142335504
If a Haki cancels out the burn one would get from punching Akainu then it's pure bullshit. I get that he can take damage with Haki but Luffy shouldn't be able to hit Akainu without getting burned.

>>142348286
This doesn't make zoro fight good, you know that right. Hody has been one of the most shit boss villians luffy has faced. zoro taking him out wouldn't have been impressive, hell sanji could have probably taken him out definitely on land. Zoro fight with pica was shit. Pica was a absolute jobber. That's all he was there for

>>142348381
But you're hitting the user physical body

>>142338852
Perfect comparison. I agree with you wholeheartedly

>>142348351
>because they are Royalty
So is vivi, Rebecca, Shirahoshi, Hancock,Stelly and much more yet only the vinsmokes have the technology

>>142347563
And jora would have killed chopper and nami

>>142347092
You just outed yourself as a NEET

>>142348428
Well Hody had the bad luck to be the first villain they encountered after the timeskip, he and the rest of his garbage fish people were only there to show how strong the Straw Hats became.

>>142347377
Nami wasn't so loyal before Eneru

>>142348428
Outside of Mr.1 did Zoro ever fought anything other than slow jobber or weak fodder.

>I first time my Girafe DF kek

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>>142347049
Reminder that the only things guarding Vegapunks secrets were some no-name marines, robot animals and common sense

>>142335504
No it's mostly negative.

On one hand I can understand that it's hard coming up with logical weaknesses for every logia and other weird devil fruit, but getting lazy and just giving one sweeping solution to all of them is a disappointing method.

And honestly I would really preferred if haki had remained invisible. Bringing it to the forefront of every fight was a stupid choice. Now every fucking fight has to feature multiple "powering up" panels showing people imbuing their body/weapons with haki.

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>>142348428
Sanji is the fastest SH underwater he would wrecked him more easily than Luffy and Zoro could ever hope to

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>>142349204
>Sanji is the fastest SH underwater
For now

>>142349204
I'm betting they all could have wrecked him. But the steroids would of still made it hard

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>>142349204
For a long time I dreamed of Sanji of fighting a Fishman with kicking Karate underwater. Karate isn't just punches because Jimbei and Hody are fatasses

>>142335504
I feel that a hard counter was needed, otherwise to avoid predictable devil fruits coming later that the crew already has a counter for either on hand or by which island they are currently on, They would have to pull something out of their ass to win.
Whereas sure haki does kinda suck since pretty much everyone can use it, its more of a rip of a bandaid than kemo.

>>142337250
>water water human
>cant go into the water
what?

>>142336038
not a single (you)? lets fix that

>>142348647
wheredoyouthinkyouare.jpg
But the phone part is retarded, I wanna be on 4chan whenever I'm out and bored.

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>>142336038
But it's better than it ever was now.

>>142335504
Yes. I mean it's mandatory since there are logia users.

And body parts covered in black armor is a cool idea.

>>142335504
Haki was fine originally as a method to simply attack the "true" form of devil fruit user's bodies.

The issue is haki is now vaguely related to strength so now armament haki is included in virtually any clash between strong people, with or without devil fruits.

So now it's armament haki this, armament haki that, etc. Characters are still hitting each as ever in the series, and the stronger still wins in a clash, but now they have to be shiny and black to do it.

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>pre-haki fights
>decided by who comes up with a more creative counter to the enemies abilities or unexpected surprise attack
>post-haki fights
>decided by who has higher haki powerlevel

>>142338852
It never was though. The only 2 fights that are remotely like that are Croc and Enel. They are the exception to the rule and not the other way around. Luffy vs Buggy, Kuro, Krieg and Arlong where pretty much just fist fights and the most loved fight in the series is vs Lucci. So the introduction of Haki did not actually change much.

>>142338750
Good thing this will never happen. It would be totally out of character since Robin is not a brawler.

>>142349829
Adding haki turned every fight into a logia battle, except worse.

Now you just can't hurt someone if their haki is way stronger than yours. And now there's no elemental counters or stuff like that.

>>142339924
>He could have just jumped from roof to roofs at super speed.
Bullshit, that would have been ridiculous. Zoro was too fucking far away and he was never portrayed as having The Flash-like speed. You are vastly underrestimating the scale of this battle.

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i want to marry purin

I'm fine with all forms of haki except what armament has evolved into, I prefer just the original purpose of it to hit devil fruit users.

I'm just not a fan of the shiny black effect and the fact that any clash of note virtually requires armament haki now. If two powerhouses punch each other, the stronger should win, right? So why did haki have to be shoehorned in so now even non devil fruit users have to clash with their "haki", even though the "stronger" should still win anyways?

Did Garp beat Chinjao only because his "haki" was stronger? Most would say no, Garp is simply stronger. In which case the "haki" strengthening aspect is irrelevant.

It's just an extra layer that doesn't add any actual depth.

>>142346096
>he thinks about Fairy Tail when seeing obvious Cyborg 009 inspired designs
fucking pleb

>>142346144
none of these 3 things had any bad impact on the series and you can't prove me wrong about that

>>142347236
>Law vs Vergo a little groan-worthy.
Why do some people still think Law used Haki against Vergo?

>>142347563
>If they never met brook, the manga wouldnt change in any way
Zoro, Usopp, Robin and Luffy would be dead

>>142349640
this is wrong and you know it

>>142349894
>Adding haki turned every fight into a logia battle, except worse.
What a load of bullshit

>>142346587
why is this not translated? I want more law ;_;

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>>142349947
no you creep!

>>142346864
Brook had so much potential to be a cool character but then they decided to make him a joke character.

Disappointing.

>>142349947
t.sanji

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Oh god no. It only made the series worse. Haki is just the classic action anime "6th sense" and increased power/durability. It's fucking nothing, and incredibly generic. But hey, their skin turns black so it's totally new and different and special! Haki was when I was ready to drop the series. Then I did after the utter trash that was merman island. Post timeskip OP is just plain bad. The series began to die after Water 7 when Oda forgot how to be creative.

Haki's just a tool to establish which characters are relevant in action scenes and which aren't. It's like if the character is a Saiyan or not in DBZ. If you don't have Haki, you're fucking irrelevant and only good for directions and repairs.

>>142335504
Yes, it reinforces what we learned in the Baratie arc. Those with strong will and spirit will always go far.

It also helps you understand Luffy vs Bellamy in both of their fights. The weak don't choose how they die, but in their second fight Bellamy developed more will and haki to choose where he could die, and that was fighting Luffy, a man he respects. Except he didn't even die in the end because Oda hates killing characters.

>>142350729
So what? Usopp is a joke character as well

>>142347067
The crew needs more no-humans. And zoans and minks aren't even the same thing.

>>142337773
Not at all speed reader. Those 'counter' fights were all against ignorant villains or people who retreated frmo the New World.

Crocodile retreated back to Paradise after getting his shit stomped by Whitebeard.

Enel was isolated from the rest of the seas and was too devil fruit reliant.

Moria relied on a lack of sunlight.

Only the top tiers are in the New World and the only way to beat them is by punching their shit in, not exposing their weakness as much as the first half of the series.

>>142348190
Why is that a problem? Why do we even need to know he's using it? If he's punching someone super hard, we could just assume he is. We don't get a visual representation every time he uses observational haki.

>>142350141
Remind me when he saved them again? I don't remember it

>>142350765
>It only made the series worse.
How? You did not really explain why it made the series worse you just called it generic.
Post timeskip OP is just plain bad. The series began to die after Water 7
Nice minority opinion
>Oda forgot how to be creative.
How is One Piece not creative anymore? Explain this please
>Haki's just a tool to establish which characters are relevant in action scenes and which aren't. It's like if the character is a Saiyan or not in DBZ. If you don't have Haki, you're fucking irrelevant and only good for directions and repairs.
Wrong. We had plenty of fights without haki but no surprise you don't know that since you dropped it.

>>142350991
FI and PH

>>142346864
>Luffy has a monkey tattoo
>Franky has a dragon tattoo

Franky Vegapunk confirmed?

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>>142348190
exactly like the other 2 hakis

>>142351095
>Nice minority opinion
Yeah, what? The majority opinion is timeskip OP fucking sucks. /a/ doesn't represent the entierty of the anime fanbase, if you weren't aware.
>How is One Piece not creative anymore? Explain this please
The plot lines only became increasingly dull, cliched, predictable, and he never gives up on the
>MUH SUPER TRAGIC BACKSTORY!
bullshit. It's so fucking tired and overdone in this series. Does every character in OP need to have a horrendous life that we need 5 chapters to hear about, including side characters that'll never be relevant again? And the action scenes and powers are also growing more tired and dull.
>We had plenty of fights without haki but no surprise you don't know that since you dropped it.
I still read the Don fight for fun. And y'know what the only creative parts were? When they didn't use fucking Haki, and Luffy didn't pull another SSJ form out of his ass after no buildup whatsoever. Gear 2nd and 3rd at least had some cool foreshadowing and seeing the results of the abilities off-screen before using them. I always liked that. Too bad it never happens anymore.

Goddamn I caused some anal bleeding here. You gonna be okay, OPfag? Need some help? Your shitty action shounen isn't any better than Bleach or Naruto.

>>142348190
ITT: speed readers

Invisible armament haki still exists post timeskip anon

Is Sanji's father's name just Oyaji?

So Killer is Gonji?

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>>142335504

THE INVINCIBLE CAPTAIN JACK

Speaking about haki and based on Zoro vs Pika whose haki is stronger, does it work with CoO too?
I mean if you have a strong haki can you fake your moves and trick the opponent's CoO?
For example you "send" your next move through your haki something like you will punch him with your left hand, but actually you kick him with right foot.

>>142351873
I don't think so. When two persons have CoO when they fight is like none of them had it.

My word, truly a big mom !

Would you a Big Mom?

>>142352047
Power is sexy.

>>142352047
I'd rather the Pudding.

Sanji will fight his evil bro ichiji

>>142352165
But he's a good guy.

>>142352192
how

>>142352219
Anon pls.

>>142352280
explain

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>>142335504
It did, there was no way Oda could keep inventing ways for logias to be plausibly beaten otherwise.

Haki isn't fantastic, but it's among the better ex deus machinas.

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Also, anyone want to help me out here? What is the name for that flaw in many shonens wherein the power level of things get out of hand and in order to compensate everything must ever-increasingly become stronger in order to keep up... Eventually it gets to the point of DBZ where a single man could put a planet at stake.

Anyway, One Piece isn't as guilty of this as most other shonen's (it might be the least guilty of it yet, actually), but what's it called?

>>142351873
interesting

>>142352349
Power creep, power scaling, flanderisation.

Toriko and Seven Deadly Sins have been destroyed by this.

>>142352324
Read the chapter.

>>142352383
>toriko and SNK was destroyed by this

Neither of those series was great to begin with and they're full to the brim with ass pulls and BS power ups. If oda really wanted to go that route he could of been had but he chooses not too

>>142352384
You go read the chapter

>>142352349
>It did, there was no way Oda could keep inventing ways for logias to be plausibly beaten otherwise.

Every element has it's weak point.

>>142352459
No, you!

>>142351634
>it still exists

Ok now show me a time that luffy has used it with one of his attacks? Haki is suppose to reinforce and strength object. with out the color, unless they say it out loud then it would seem like they're just using regular attacks. Except against a logia.

>>142352467
air

>>142352501
No you. You said that he's good I want you to go reread the chapter

>>142351582
>Yeah, what? The majority opinion is timeskip OP fucking sucks. /a/ doesn't represent the entierty of the anime fanbase, if you weren't aware.
You are seriously deluded if you think this is the case. One Piece still gets the highest ratings on pretty much every relevant anime site and occupies one of the top 10 spots pretty much everywhere. The sales did not drop and the WSJ rankings always have OP on #1 or #2. The fact is that the majority still enjoys the series and people like you are pretty much 1 in 20.
>The plot lines only became increasingly dull, cliched, predictable, and he never gives up on the MUH SUPER TRAGIC BACKSTORY!
Not really. And if you seriously complain about the formular repeating in a battle shounen you maybe should read something else since this is obviously not the right genre for you. And it is not like Oda mixes the formular up from time to time. The plot is predictable? So you guessed that Shirahoshi is an anciengt weapon? That Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito? That Momonsuke is the decendant of the one who made the Poneglyphs? That Blackbeard will find Dragons base and wreck it? Etc. And there is literally nothing wrong with the tragic backstorys. They are still among the best moments of the manga.

>>142351582
>I still read the Don fight for fun. And y'know what the only creative parts were? When they didn't use fucking Haki, and Luffy didn't pull another SSJ form out of his ass after no buildup whatsoever. Gear 2nd and 3rd at least had some cool foreshadowing and seeing the results of the abilities off-screen before using them. I always liked that. Too bad it never happens anymore.
What nonsense. The most creative thing about the fight was how Luffys powers worked together with haki. G4 is the most creative form Oda came up with so far and is versatile as fuck. And calling G4 an asspull just shows that you have no clue what you are talking about. That Luffy gained a new form while he was training for 2 years is nothing that comes out of nowhere and that he decides to use it as his last resort against a strong enemy is nothing you should complain about if you are familiar with how a battle shounen works. And where was the "cool foreshadowing" of G2? It was a single panel where Luffy said "I have a new technique that I want to try out." G3 was not even foreshadowed at all.
> Goddamn I caused some anal bleeding here. You gonna be okay, OPfag? Need some help? Your shitty action shounen isn't any better than Bleach or Naruto.
Gee, what epic platitudes you are throwing at me. Oh help, whatever should I do, you sure showed me.

>>142352530
Okay anon I'll spoon feed you the examples, even the non Luffy ones.

Luffy vs Pacifista
Pekoms vs Caribou
Luffy grabbing Caesar
Boo in the coliseum
Sabo vs Bastille

>>142352467
Ok what's smoke, air, swamp, light, and magma weak points

>>142352467
But Oda would still had to write the fight and him always placing objects or shit that helps against Logias randomly on the battlefield or what not would actually be pretty lame and ass pullish

>>142352467
Sure, and how would the rubber king of the pirates fare against that? By conveniently getting the counter-elements to be his underlings? That would be lame, the implementation of haki was a better option.

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>>142352383
The first term you listed was the one I was looking for, and flanderisation is a great new one to learn of (Sanji, anyone? ..Though this may fortunately be changing as of Zou).

Thank you very much anon, I'm gracious.

>>142346864
>Why is Brook so underestimated by /a/non's here?
Because that's his thing, being underestimated. These old bones leave the spotlight to the new generation.

>>142352593
>Luffy vs pacifista
Sentomaru had to state that luffy used it. Plus the punch was so fast you wouldn't even be able to til if he did or not.

>pekom vs caribou
He's a logia user

>luffy grabbing Caesar
Once again a logia user

>boo in the coliseum
He said that he used it

>sabo vs Bastille
How do you know he used haki?

So like I said, without it we would just be looking at the same attacks. The only way we would ever know if the characters are using it during the match would be if someone said it or the opponent is a logia

>>142350962
But then people would be wondering why the same punches do different amount of damage.

>>142335504
Unlike most of the comments here, I like Haki when it was mysterious and had no name. Like when Shanks walked through the deck of the Moby Dick and people were collapsing and foaming their mouths, or when Rayleigh just knocked out the whole auditorium.

Even on Sky Island, when Mantra was used was kinda interesting. It was for the most part, another power no different than Zoro knowing how to create vacuum slashes.

But once everyone and their moms had it, the appeal kinda goes away, especially with the new illustration with going giga nigga. As I said, I loved the mystery aspect to it, like how a guy like Shanks who looks so fucking normal in a world full of super human giants could be a walking gravity training machine from DBZ. Part of me wanted to know what it was, but once I knew the exact mechanics Shanks was no longer as cool anymore in hindsight. He was just a big bad ass.

And unlike others who think everyone should be JoJo, I feel that as the series progressed, Haki should have been more common, but not the way it is now. Right now there's no emphasis on the different colors, whereas before you saw different people specializing in different haki.

Take Doffy for example. Which Haki is his most specialized? You can say CoC I guess cause that's rare, but that's not really proof cause there's no way to really compare his different Haki during Dressrosa. Unless the series spelled it out for us like how the Monster Trio did, it was no longer 3 different colors, just 1 general use power. The fights aren't even choreographed to take high light each character's Haki specialization much.

So while I don't think the idea that Doffy would just be another Kuro or Buggy super reliant on his over powered gimmick would be great, I think it'd be better if Haki was just another card that played into their fighting style, their tactics.

And Haki should be even more diversified instead of having only 3 categories.

>>142351548
>exactly like the two other haki
But you can clearly tell when both of those are being used.

>>142352976
>Like when Shanks walked through the deck of the Moby Dick and people were collapsing and foaming their mouths, or when Rayleigh just knocked out the whole auditorium.
It was called Haki right then and there

>>142352558
I've read the chapter.

>>142351818
maybe his face is hidden with a reason

>>142353209
He's ugly as fuck.

>>142352192
Ichiji has every implication of being evil.

>>142353272
This. He has the Lucci attitude

Oda should keep his concept from Romance Dawn about the Peace Means and Morgianas.

>>142353272
nope

>>142346864
Because /a/ is fucking retarded, plain and simple.

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So Ichiji is 1, what is the name of 2?

>>142353438
Niji

>>142353344
OK, so to begin with then, how do you justify him using one of his subordinates as a human shield?

>>142353438


Where did those mini meme-crowns originate

>>142353463
he is a good boy
he dindu nuffin

>>142353463
In a war a soldiers duty to protect his "commander" even if it costs his life.

>>142353548
look at this autist

>>142337773
doflamingo was great. i'd much rather have the monster oda gave us than some dude who gets knocked out when a single attack makes it past his strings

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>break next week
>the day after chapter
>haki 'discussion' aka 'muh powerlevel ruined everything'

>>142353463
Basically Luffy did the same at FI, when he went after Hody and relied on Sanji and Zoro let them handle the remaining fishmen

>>142353668
Are you idiot?

>>142353670
How? Luffy knew Sanji and Zoro would take care of the fishmen fodder while Ichiji knew he was using one of his subordinate as a human shield. Hell, all he did was say was "wall" in reaction, as if to say "die for me". Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling he could have just as easily dodged the attack in the time he requested another person to jump in front of him... Or is this super strong new character we've been introduced to not as agile as the common fodder?

>>142335504
No

>>142353668
yeah, sadly these kind of retards will never go extinct

>>142353752
elaborate please

>>142353752
please die

>>142353768
>>142353777
identic sodomit

>>142353746
That's not how it works.

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So, Sanji's mother was probably a mistress or side chick or whatever, right? And she probably died during child birth. Cause Sanji's the only sibling with different eyebrows.

>>142353670
>>142353746
Let's be real honest. He did exactly what Hody did against Zoro

>>142353804
No

I don't like the fact that everyone magically developed it off screen except for Usopp.

Germa -> Germany

mindblown.jpg

>>142353904
It was 2 years and only relatively strong people got it.

>>142338127
That's just Luffy using his rubber powers. You know. How he does with his gears. Plus he literally brute forces Arlong into defeat.

>>142353904
they were training, nothing about that is magically developing it

>>142353940
blonde, technological advanced, their old empire doesn't exist anymore, the name of the leaders is a synonym for cruelty.
Nice

>>142353940
>>142353980
And Big Mom is current Germany, a multicultural utopia with an old matriarch as the leading figure

>>142343286
How would he fight the admirals in your opinion? Or Smoker?

Pudding lying and basing her encounter with Sanji from the info in his poster is a 99% deal imho.

>Heart-shaped eyes
He's got them in his bounty poster, which is not that weird for Sanji, obviously, but it's an interesting design choice on Oda's behalf for his poster.
>Curly eyebrows
Obviously there too.
>Black Leg
His nickname is Kuroashi and she actually believed he had black legs. If she had actually met him, she would have probably understood why he's nicknamed like that.
>He's strong
Well, if he's part of the SH in the New World you can assume it, especially if the rest of his family are also good fighters.
>He's a gentleman
Nothing he couldn't have guessed or gotten from BM/Vitto, etc.
>He's a good cook
Something that BM already knows and values him for (according to Pekoms iirc).
>The flashback is as minimalistic as possible and shadowed, even in Sanji's face closeup
Now, this doesn't mean that much, but it's a bit weird that Oda would do something like this, considering the circumstances (unless he wants us to believe she was lying while in reality she wasn't).
>Their first encounter is an off-screen one
Maybe this is me wanting that their first encounter is actually shown (not even a shipper, I'm just very curious), so this is weird as shit tbqh.
>It's all too convenient
They have a safe rute now DIRECTLY into BM's island and she says that she's going to deliver Sanji to them just like that. I don't doubt that BM might actually love her family members, but I have the feeling Pudding is afraid of her (and that's actually why she would be acting like this, like Pedro implied).

I like her and actually hope she a gud grill, but I think there are many red flags tbqh.

Also Pekoms telling Luffy and the rest to fuck off the island and go back. Maybe he figured out they had met Pudding (whom he should know and understand what she's like) and wanted to warn them before leaving for God knows what reason: "Go back, it's a trap".

>>142353980
Deepest lore.

>>142354011
>Akainu
cool down until stones. smash stones
>Aokiji
heat
>Kizaru
mirrors (could be pretty funny)
>Fujitora
literaly just force, being stronger than the gravity he creates
>Ryokugyu
remains a mistery for now

>>142352598
>>142352628
>>142352739
Seastone, for every other ability it's drawback.

>>142353904
Reyleigh took Luffy to that island specifically to Teach him about Haki
Luffy was using it at Marinford and against Duvals bull anyway

Is Fujitora the strongest Admiral now?

>>142354026
Let's wait for some BTFO'd SAPUFAG to actually dispute all of this.

>>142354080
Kizaru is still in service

>>142354026
Sanji turned down Pussy, ergo, Pudding is lying

>>142354048
Nigga, wat? Akainu is Magma. He'll remain at the temperature that Magma is magma. He won't cool down under a fucking fan.

>>142349640
Every enemy Luffy has fought he has just hit them until they stayed down. Morgan, Buggy, Kuro, Krieg, Arlong. The water thing with Crocodile was clever but he only used it so he could brute force him.

Luffy's style is just 'kick their ass'.

>>142354111
I agree with the "Pudding is lying" theory, but if you really believed he was going to accept... well.

Sanji is a monumental fag in many regards, especially since the timeskip. But when it comes to his loyalty to his crew and Luffy in particular, I'd say he's one of the most loyal crewmembers, no doubt of that. Maybe not as much as Zoro, because he's not as autistic as him when it comes to "fight, fight, fight and only fight", but he truly is.

>>142354111
What if she is Big Mom herself and the huge fat bitch is a hologram or other shit related to her power?

>>142354124
Doesn't even need a fan. Whitebeard lungs are enough to cool down his magma
>inb4 Haki breath

>>142354048
Come on. Even for One Piece they sound ridiculous.

>>142353066
Yeah but we had no context to it. It was just a name. I don't mind that. It's no different than when the fat guys at Skypeia called their shit Mantra.

It's only when it was completely fleshed out and everyone from the top to bottom had it that it lost the fun. Introducing the word there was fine, it should have just slowly fed you bread crumbs until near the end to get a full picture that's what I'm trying to say.

>>142354165
No, that was magma that he threw. I'm talking about his body. His actual body will be magma no matter what.

>>142354096
Does he really count when the only time he tried was when Rayleigh scratched him?

>>142354206
Except Teach touches him.

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>>142354145
>no doubt of that
Not in universe, they didn't expect him to make that choice on his own

>>142354206
And magma could be cooled down.
Do you imply Aokiji wouldn't melt if he would go full Logia body in heat?

>>142354232
Akainu? Call me a speedreader but when?

>>142354216
It took Rayleigh to actualy make him care. He left the war unscratched, the only Admiral who did.

>>142354244
But surely Akainu would keep generating magma. He's got explosive piwer. If anything hardened to rock, he'd just continue to blast it on the spot.

>>142354258
I guess this was meant as "he will be magma no matter what except teach touches him". In that case he wouldn't be magma anymore

>>142349429
He wouldn't be in water. He would be water.

>>142348502
>vivi, Rebecca, Shirahoshi, Hancock,Stelly
I don't think they make a living out of being assassins though.

>>142354286
Oh. Well, that's clearly a complete different scenario.

>>142343066
>In One Piece
Sanji probably accidentally ate his candy or some shit.

>>142354216
How could Rayleigh able to stop Kizaru? His leg was only about a meter above Zoro's head while Rayleigh was far further. Did Rayleigh move faster than light?

>>142354206
Nope, he's made of flesh and blood unless activating his powers, which happens as soon as he's damaged, otherwise everything he touched would burn
Logias won't run out of their element though, if you did manage to cool some of Akainu he can just make more Magma easily

So is Sanji's dad going to be Dragon level?

Does anybody have the Japanese transcript for the last manga chapter?

>>142354281
Stamina :^)
No serious, I think aswell they can reproduce their element for a long time, this way Aokiji could fight so long against Akainu despite him melting all the time. But if Akainu attacks you and you got enough lung volume you would be able to harden his fists for example, making his melee attacks less harmfull. It wasn't meant as "harden him = auto win", but it might be a good way to fight against him and even touch him without getting burned.

>>142354336
You don't have to get damaged. It's free will. You can just choose when to activate it.

>>142354026
I'm waiting for the Viz translation on Monday to decide.

But yeah, the fact that she specifically remarks those features of him in such a way is very suspicious, and so is the flashback and their meeting being off-screen.

So Lola is going to show up to the tea party and Big Mom is going to learn that Luffy saved her from Moria right?

>>142354359
It'd still be hot and there would still be magma underneath that rock which will hit you as soon as the plain old rock shatters. And this is One Piece. Thay rock Will shatter.

No way, dude. I'm not buying it. It'd be fucking RIDICULOUSLY contrived and the Asspull squad would be on fire.

>>142354303
Vivi kindof did, that's how they met

>>142354401
What? Their meeting wasn't off screen. She entered the room and Sanji got a boner.

>>142354416
No. Nami finally noticed the Vivre Card moving. She doesn't realise what it is or won't reveal it until it's convenient. She'll also go hug Lola 2.0 and Big Mom will be convinced.

>>142354358
I'm also looking for it, so pls if anyboday knows where to find it.

>>142354440
It was only her photo.

>>142354416
Someone will notice that Nami has a Virvre card of Big Mom, since she's such an important figure those will be closely guarded, and Nami will mention saving Lola

>>142350823
Ya Jinbe needs to join.

>>142354440
kys

>>142354440
Are you for real my man?

>>142354417
Logia fights were always a bit fishy. Croc not being able to turn into sand when wet, but at the same time he can suck everthing dry to the point of just being sand for example, couldn't he just dry himself with it?

The shattered rock might be used as some sort of 'shield' to punch Akainu, kinda like Luffy hit Venom Demon Magellan with the wax.

>>142354507
>couldn't he just dry himself
maybe he tried once and shriveled his hand

>>142354549
We need more information about Croc, he's still one of the best villains and needs more story.
>inb4 Luffys mom

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These are the face and the tits of a lying traitor.

>>142354592
Clearly he isn't Luffy's mother, but I'm still fully convinced that he was a woman just based on Strong World 0 only showing us his ear. Whether he was a woman or not Oda is being very careful about not showing us what he looked like when he was younger.

>>142354624
The two girls are different.

>>142352383
>Seven Deadly Sins destroyed
>implying SDS isn't entertaining as fuck
I bet you're the kind of loser who read Kongoh Banchou and went "This doesn't make any sense, this is stupid!"

>>142352383
>Destroyed
The power scaling in Toriko is fucking hilarious though. It's almost satire.

>>142354675
are you talkin about her tits

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>>142354656
I'm with you. Even the childcroc Oda drew looks too androgynous to say for sure

>>142354748
No I'm talking about the three eyed girl and Pudding are siblings.

>>142354748
Pudding is the one we just met.
The triclops is her sister. We just saw the Lola look-alike so it makes sense to think Big Mom has lots of twins and maybe triplets, cutting the ridiculous number of pregnancies in half.

>>142354780
Croc is WB's son.

>>142354795
>>142354802
I-I was just kidding.

I thought about that too, considering Lola's clone.

But how would it benefit the story? As in, what use do you see of having two identical Puddings? Who's the one we just met?

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>mfw patiently waiting for Bonney to join

>>142337250
And you think people would complain less if they just so happen to always find the perfect counter to a logia during an arc?

Oh this guy uses Light! Good thing we found the mirror mirror fruit user upon our arrival?

also this would mean that you could never have someone from the crew fight a logia because they aren't it's counter.

>>142354802
What if she has kids like a spider brood mother?

>>142354897
Why should it be a fruit user?

If Sanji and Pudding don't end up together in the Epilogue, I will LITERALLY kill myself.

>>142354948
Will you stream it?

>>142354974
Yes, and on VR so you can feel my pain, since VR will be widely used by 2053.

>>142354675
No they're not. That's Puddin mate. 90%.

>>142354998
>2053
>still using VR
No wonder you feel the need to kill yourself.

>>142353852
Unless you don't have a brain, it is, you non-argument faggot.

>>142354333
Light works in weird ways in One Piece world, just like well, the rest of physics. Don't think in a vacuum.

Plus, whoever said the guy actually attacked at the real speed of light? He rambled on about killing people and shit but he killed nobody with a name during SA, just whooped their ass big time.

Other wise half the Supernovas would have died before the time skip. You can bet your ass Akainu would have offed them.

>>142355038
nope

>>142355086
Why does your butt hurt?

>>142354264
Don't forget he was the only guy to allow Whitebeard to attack him from behind and get away with it. Three times.

Honestly I don't think his offense is all that great, but when it comes to defense he's got it made. Kinda fits the elemental trio, with Akainu being the strongest in offense but getting beaten around like a ragdoll by Whitebeard, and Aokiji who is kinda in the middle.

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>>142353980
>They are depicted as evil by everyone in the world, but they are the good ones.
Just like Real life.

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Reminder that this is the face of a LIAR.

>>142355183
>The face of a liar
>The face of Nami
>Nami lied to pirates
yep, that checks out

>>142355183
I hope the "she's lying/she isn't" gets solved soon, to be honest.

I'm guessing that when Luffy and the rest arrive in Whole Cake Island, they'll be almost instantly capture and it will be ambiguous enough to make us doubt for some chapters whether she actually betrayed them or not.

I think she lied. A shame, as I wouldn't have mind an Epilogue partner for Sanji, especially if that meant that his antics would be tone down from this arc on.

>>142354934
This. I would've liked to see clever fights like the ones that Usopp used to have. Or like Crocodile vs. Luffy with the water shit.

>>142355245
Please consult your doctor!

>>142355183
How does a liar taste like?

>>142355183
Look at those fingers. They're clearly that of a mastermind, plotting some devious plan.

>>142354831
>But how would it benefit the story?
I honestly don't know. How does Lola having a twin benefit the story?

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>>142355245
?

>>142355292
>11. Steepling
>Steepling is what you call palms that face each other with just the fingertips touching (the fingers resemble a steeple). This is a display of confidence and self-assurance. You would see this in a lawyer or chess player who just found a way to wipe out his opponent.
>You don’t want to over do it however, as this is a real show of power.

Pudding confirmed for final boss?

>>142355331
How does Oda's semen taste?

>>142355295
But Lola isn't the main focus (at least for now) of this arc. Her having a twin could just be a way from Oda to show to the most slow readers that Lola is BM's daughter (with Nami's face in the last chapter adding to that).

What I mean is that right now I couldn't think, as of now, how this would affect the story or what sense it would make. But hey, who knows.

Maybe this Pudding is not the actual one that Sanji actually met and is just basing her encounter with him from what she read in the poster, while the real Pudding is somewhere else.

>>142355358
Not an argument

I don't think it's good or bad, it's just a necessary tool that Oda had to use to keep Logia users in check in the new world. It's effects bled over into regular fights to help blend it into the lore easier.

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>>142355345
There's some nefarious shading on it too. Not regular shading. Nefarious shading.

>>142337773
>every logia fight involves a gimmick

how about no

how about fuck off

I miss early One Piece

>>142355691
>m-muh nostalgia

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>there's a clock in Pudding's wall pointing at 3 o'clock (Sanji means "3 o'clock in moonspeak).

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Do you guys think the revolutionaries will crash the wedding?
Ivankov probably knows about Sanji being a Vinsmoke. As one of the top revolutionaries he has imformation about all royal families and probably knows that the Vinsmokes are missing one son. Also the obvious naming scheme and the curly eyebrows are dead giveaways.
So they could eather come to stop the wedding because they dont want the Vinsmokes to bekome more powerfull by becomming allies with a yonko, or simply to save sanji and ruffy because of personal reasons.

>>142336136
Oda had been implying haki from the beginning of the series with Shanks and Garp with other Marines who could seemingly effortlessly hurt logia users.

>>142356152
I don't see it happening, personally.

>>142335504
no it was what officially boosted the series into powerlevel bullshit.

OP is still good but if oda wasn't retarded he would have
a) not introduced incredibly OP devil fruits which luffy would never have been able to defeat

and

b) thought up a way for luffy to defeat strong logia users see crocodile without the need for dumb powerlevel faggotry

>>142356152
They will come up at reverie instead.

>>142356152
their whole base was just destroyed
even if they heard about it I can see Dragon deciding that it's Luffys business since it's one of his crewmembers

>>142356512
>no it was what officially boosted the series into powerlevel bullshit.
no it wasn't, it is still possible for a strong df user to beat a strong haki user. Armament haki being stronger like Zoro vs Pica does not mean shit. It may as well not be there and they just say "I am stronger than you."

>>142353964
I'm not going to say that one piece was an amazingly creatively written series before ennies lobby and how there isn't any originality these days, but it was always interesting seeing luffy use his ruber fruit for more than just stretching his arm to punch people. Sometimes I even forget he has that power.

I never had a problem with gear 2nd and gear 3rd because they had effects when luffy used them (wearing himself out, getting small etc). The problem is that after ennies lobby even then luffy starts using them every 2 seconds, then haki officially came along with the powerlevel shit, and now post timeskip gear 2nd and 3rd don't even have any aftereffects so oda can just use it any time because he doesn't have enough creativity to make luffy win fights without powering up any more

>>142356512
Lets see you come up with a way for Luffy to beat Akainu or Kizaru, and this without having any convenient objects placed on the battlefield or shit like that since that would be lame and asspullish

>>142356673
Then why introduce it at all? Oh wait so oda has a scapegoat to write himself out of fights without having to use plot armour or originality

>>142356673
This whole Haki = powerlevel Haki clash bullshit is pretty old
It was one fight and all it proved was Zoros swords were stronger than Picas flesh

>>142353980
Germany has never been technologically advanced. Not in the 40s, not now either.

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>>142356718
It's almost as if the enemies are getting stronger and they've enetered the New World or something.

Huh. How strange.

>>142356718
>The problem is that after ennies lobby even then luffy starts using them every 2 seconds, then haki officially came along with the powerlevel shit, and now post timeskip gear 2nd and 3rd don't even have any aftereffects so oda can just use it any time because he doesn't have enough creativity to make luffy win fights without powering up any more
What "powerlevel shit" do you even mean? And that Gear 2nd and 3rd have no after effects is something that everyone should expect from the hero after he trains for 2 years.

It doesn't makes any sense that old pirates like Moria and Crocodie weren't Haki users. They could only have fought and got beaten by the Yonko in the new world isn't that right?

And what's with everyone suddenly learning Haki just in the 2 years where the SH trains?

>>142356782
When did he ever do that?