>build multi-million dollars giant robots >armed them with

>>141434800
>better
cheaper
fixed that for you

>>141434800
Rule of cool.

>>141434800
>This is why tanks are simply better.
As well as a shitload of other reasons.

>>141434800
I wish there were less anime about mecha and more about tanks honestly

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>>141435030
This makes me smile every time.

Mechas with bow and arrow when?
>direct fire
>indirect fire

mechs could move a little more uninhibited, plus they have more armor.

>>141435295
>mechs could move a little more uninhibited,
>plus they have more armor.

Nigga you went full retard.

>>141435295
>more armor

If you mean less with more weakspots you are right.

Rule of cool ect
On a serious note, power armor on the other hand is most useful up to the point it becomes prohibitive to enter buildings. A power armor larger than this but still small enough to navigate tight corridors too narrow for a tank to navigate is also useful. Giant mech suits are dumb, full stop, no mechanical engineer or flag officer has ever argued in favor of them, only dumb weeaboo, so you don't have to worry about DARPA getting in their heads to build one, they know better. Dumb weeaboo will weeaboo, for the sophisticated we have shit like strike witches.

>>141435295
Where could a mech go that a modern tank couldn't? Most mechs are wider than tanks, they would have trouble moving down a street without knocking shit over, they can't go into wooded areas at all, they'd do a bit better on mountains or something maybe.

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>>141435362
>On a serious note, power armor on the other hand is most useful

And we don't get power armor or just exos on animu.

>inb4 kamen rider
No, it isn't the same.

>>>/m/
We don't care about robots here.

>'Tanks are better'
>Can only go over relatively level terrain
>Fixed weaponry
>Horrible turn radius
>Almost zero ability to dodge
>Sitting ducks if the enemy has air support
>Only way they are viable is a mass attack

Meanwhile mobile suits
>Are able to traverse many different types of terrains
>able to arm itself with a variety of weapons
>Can turn in a dime macross Zero style compared to a tank
>Human like motion allows it to easily dodge incoming shots.
>Able to easily defend against enemy air support
>A single mobile suit can solo at least several tanks at once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikB8B26OUpE


There's a reason the Feddies stopped using the Type-81 after the One Year War.

>>141435693
please nobody take the bait

>>141434800

This is an anime and manga board and in anime/manga mecha >>>> tanks always.

>B-But muh realism

No one cares.

>>141435742
You asshat already took it.
Why even reply to that?

>>141435742
https://youtu.be/ikB8B26OUpE?t=1m14s

Look at how well your precious tanks do in a real battle and tell me it's bait.

>>141435295
>mechs could move a little more uninhibited, plus they have more armor.
Mechs have a lot more surface area per given volume therefore for the same weight, they will be much less armored. Mechs also have higher ground pressure therefore is worse in soft terrain.

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>>141434800
Heavy Objects > Tanks > Exos/power armor > Mechas

>>141435541
It's funny how the modern soldier humps more weight than a fully suited medieval knight but no one gets that (muh womyns, the real lunacy to be argued against). The GitS cyborgs make power armor redundant so I'll count them.

>>141435362
>Where could a mech go that a modern tank couldn't?
Mechs can climb or jump over obstacles whereas tanks are limited to driving on relatively flat surfaces.

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>>141435808
>anime/manga mecha >>>> tanks

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>>141435541
>And we don't get power armor or just exos on animu.

>>141435944
>cyborgs

Anon. That'll probably take longer than fully functional Power armor a 40k style.

>>141434800
>This is why tanks are simply more boring.
FTFY
Mecha are a manchild explanation to make people like him into massive gods made metal in near-magical techno-armor like a knight.

You don't go to mecha expressly for realism.

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>>141435808
We've been over this, since it's /a/ related it follows anime logic
It all depends on who's driving the mech, who's driving the tank and which one is relevant to plot

>>141435997

This is an accurate depiction of tank vs mech combat. A 200 billion dollar machine will die from an 8 million dollar one.

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>Mech
>not even once

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>>141436108

>>141435938
Tactical nukes wreak traditional notions about the properties of massed forces. Carrier groups are the exception to this rule because they project force far outwards, if anything gets close they're fucked.

>>141435938
Heavy Objects are just as silly as normal mechs. They just look different to hide it.

>>141434800
Tanks don't have air conditioning.

>>141435007
You got GuP, isn't that enough?

>>141435948
Protip, an Abrams can plow through just about anything. For rooting out jungles there's helicopters and even a big ass mecha would get stuck in the muck, advantage power suits.

>>141436477
>Tanks don't have air conditioning

Maybe some soviet-era shitbox. Every modern MBT has some bomb-ass air conditioning.

>>141434800
ITT: Plebs

Giant Robotic Centipedes and Sandworms will be superior to Bipedal Robots and Tanks in everyday.

People are just afraid that everyone will think they are evil scientists if they started designing and creating giant Insect Based Robots for Military Use since the Bodies of Insects are actually Ideal Forms for Movement in many environments.

So this is why we waste time with Silly Shit like Big Dog.

Robot Snakes or Robot Centipedes would be Bad PR and too Creepy even though they are more Practical.

>>141436108
>Zaku fails to check his surroundings and walks into a tank column that is at an elevated position.
>Doesn't immediately use his boosters to jump out of the area.
More like a tank wank where the Zaku pilot is an idiot and walked into the one area where the tanks had a chance and stood there with his thumb up his ass.

>>141436559
>Abramas can go through anything
>But if the terrain is to hard to traverse, just use a helicopter
You're an idiot that just conceded mobile suits can do both jobs of a tank and chopper.

>>141436559
Abrams may go through anything, but watch out if you make a turn without going at a snail pace.

>>141436559
The abrams is an obsolete piece of shit with a meme engine

Still better than a mech

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>>141436746
Or anything mushy.

Enjoy being a sitting duck while you spend several minutes trying to get out the mud while a mobile suit just walks up to you with not problems and blows you sky high.

>>141436878
>Still better than a mech
Obviously.
Giant mecha as a concept have been obsolete ever since the Germans tried to build giant super weapons and failed horribly, allowing us all to have a hearty laugh and pretend we knew from the beginning that it's just silly to supersize everything.

>>141436933
>mech
>walking through mud
>not sinking up to his fucking knees in the shit

Is your mech wearing snow shoes?

>>141436933
The mech would be putting significantly more pressure on smaller areas of ground, meaning that it would get mired down just as easily in deep mud.

Plus all you'd have to do is hit the knee joint with an AT weapon.

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Using the same technology, one could replace the legs with treads and the hands with guns. This reduces overall complexity (and therefore cost and maintenance), and is a much more useful weapon.

However, it suffers from a fatal flaw: the toy for it looks really stupid, so nobody is going to buy that. A giant robot that looks like a demon samurai is clearly a better idea.

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>>141435541
>And we don't get power armor or just exos on animu.
Macross Frontier Ex-gear. Exo-like anti-g-suit.

>>141437017
Or just a plain shot to the leg would make the mecha fall down due to stopping power.

>>141437040
No that's a good track you're on. Let's build on that
I propose we add a torso joint so the robot can rotate the weapons platform 360 degrees, and give it an overall lower profile.

We shall call this novel invention a TANK

>>141437000
>>141437017
>Thinking mud is just a bottomless pit of quicksand and the weight of the mobile suit won't just disperse the viscus portion of the mud.
>Thinking a gun would be accurate enough to hit the joints
>Thinking that a mobile suit will no longer be a thread if you take out a leg joint
This is comical thinking.

They already showed several scenes of mobile suits going through extremely muddy regions with no problem. Meanwhile all you need to do is damage a tank's tread and they're fucked.

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>>141437066
>>141436001

>>141436108
And dumb-bombs cheaper than laser-guided and can do the same job. But we still have JDAM and GPS-guided munitions.

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>Tanks
>Good
Pick one

Tanks cant carry beam weapons in UC as the reactors required for them are too large. If you were to upscale a tank in order to use beam weaponry it would be just as impractical if not more so than mobilesuits, especially since due to a tank basically being a box your much more likely to hit the reactor and turn the thing into a nuke when compared to a mobile suit where there are various limbs you can disable to effectively kill it with out it turning into a nuke

>>141436571
>soviet-era shitbox
They still have decent ventilation systems.

>>141437104
But how will it hold its laser sword?

>>141437186
I remember this fight being much cooler when I saw it as a kid. helmet was the hero.

>>141437129
Well when you completely throw out reality, I suppose you can maintain any fallacy. In any realistic situation where real-world physics applies, a bipedal mech would be useless as it became larger in size, as its mass would have to increase as well.

And when I mentioned an AT weapon, I was talking about any shoulder-fired system such as an RPG7 or Carl Gustav.

>>141437129
>>Thinking that a mobile suit will no longer be a thread if you take out a leg joint

First you meant threat you nigglet.

Second a mecha without a leg joint will be crawling mecha.

>Thinking a gun would be accurate enough to hit the joints

They are you nigger. A sabot round would snipe the shit out of a mecha.

>Thinking mud is just a bottomless pit of quicksand and the weight of the mobile suit won't just disperse the viscus portion of the mud.

Nigger, it doesn't need to be too deep to fuck with the mecha's mobility AND stability.


You have to choose between mobility, armor and firepower. A realistic mecha only has mobility and some firepower(with a need of constant resupply).

>>141437281
You hold it yourself and drive closer

>>141437211
>a tank basically being a box
No, a tank is basically a piece of armor tightly clamped around what innards it needs.
At the same amount of armor, a tank would be better armored than a mobile suit and have fewer weak spots to take advantage of. It would be more difficult to turn into a nuke than the MS.
Tanks for ground warfare, and planes for aerial warfare.

>>141437171
In UC you can only use dumb-bombs and fly by wire due to particle interference.

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>>141437281

>>141437227
It gets hot as balls inside a T-72 on a mildly warm day.

Am i the only one who likes stuff like in Sora no Woto?
I mean that freaking spider tank was pretty fun. And it could still be somewhat used in real world. Somewhat. Doesn't mean it's good, but it's still somewhat believable.

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>>141435030
Mechafags on suicide watch

Also, just look at that sexy beast

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>>141437211
Not pictured: a justification for the humanoid mode.

>>141437503
If you want believable mecha, I guess you could try FLAG.
It's still running on anime physics, but they tried.

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>>141437504

>>141437558
>Poland One coming through

I can't take this shit serious.

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>>141435938
Why do nips fetishize big guns so much? Did they learn nothing from WW2? They're worse than Germans.

>>141437437
But beam weaponry invalidates armor in UC. thats the whole reason why Ms's start using thinner and lighter armor and miniaturize so much by f91 and victory

>>141437558
So functionally, what was the point of making it look like an 80s scifi spaceship?

>>141437595
>fetishize big guns

Try and take a guess. Ill give you a hint It has to do with dicks.

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>Tanks
>Mechs
>Implying there isn't something that beats both.

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>>141437645
Well, of course you can always step it up

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>>141437362
You make it sound like the world can't support 58.1 metric tons and it would cause the land it walks on to collapse. The Ground tends to be extremely stable for the most part, even those uneven portions that a tank can't get through.

>>141437381
>Go into a muddy area
>Start to sink
>Use backpack thrusters to pull yourself out of the muck and jump to a more stable area.
That's not very hard, do you even know what a Zaku can do?

>Sniping a Zaku with a tank
A sabot round might be able to pierce a Zaku's armor. But you keep thinking a tank will be able to get close enough to a zaku to fire at point blank range so it couldn't dodge the shot. The tank would be shot to pieces unless the pilot is oblivious, before it could get into range. It might be possible if you're firing on the Zaku if it has it's back turned to you, but you better have a helluva a cannon to fire over a long enough range to get them. And good luck being accurate enough to hit the torso or joints.

You're one dumb nigger if you don't think the Zaku is an excellent blend of firepower, armor and maneuverability.

>>141437676
Why do they look so smug?

>>141437749
>dodge the shot
You're funny guy.
The speed it would take to dodge a fucking cannon shot is also a speed that would break the MS and kill the pilot.
I'd say that's mission accomplished for the tank.

>>141437749
People also like to forget that Mobile suits during the one year war are generally used along side Tanks, fighters, infantry and other shit

>>141437645
See >>141436248

>>141437595
Big guns were still good at the beginning of WW2. It takes a long time to build a ship so carrier-based warfare was difficult to transition to.

>>141437645
>>141437676
So dragonflies and giant dildos make Tanks obsolete?
Gotta remember that.

>>141437749
>so it couldn't dodge the shot

Nigga, the Gs that the mecha would need to pull to dodge a modern sabot(not even a sci-fi one) would turn the pilot into a red paste.

>>141437751
Because they know they can fuck you up. You and everyone near you
>>141437840
Yeah, but the idea of HO is fucking retarded

>>141434800

Tanks can't curbstomp anything, though. Just roll over them.

>>141435227
>Mechas with bow and arrow when?

Fuck, I will watch that.

>>141437645
>rifleman bus
But yes, they are still cool as fuck.

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>>141437749
You really have no idea how physics works, do you? Even being around tanks is enough to see that the ground is pretty damn soft. A tank WILL leave ruts in the ground, imagine what something much heavier will do with less area touching the ground. Not that it matters, you'll just pull some bullshit made-up statistic out of your ass to try and justify something that just isn't feasible. I don't even know why I'm replying to such obvious bait.

>>141437896
But they can drive their main gun up your ass and violate you while you are doing your best to imagine it's your waifu taking your virginity.

>>141437749
So, everything is dumbfire because of ~~~special particles~~~, but a zaku pilot can somehow sense the trajectory of a round fired from a tank at that hillside?

Why are tankfags so damn autistic?

We like giant robots because they're cool as fuck in many ways and putting them in a military/war setting is one of those cool things.

>>141435030

Hey look at that, tanks can be armed with missiles.

>>141437504
To bad anti-tank has made main battle tanks waste of time.

>>141437915
You can clearly see in the cartoons that mobile suits can walk on the ground without harming it. What more evidence do you need?

>>141435295
>mechfags logic

Translation:
>mechs what use more advanced and futuristic technology and is not limited by laws of physics that much is faster and more durable than tanks
>tanks meanwhile are still modern or past tech with all real life physics limiting them

>>141438002
It's more that most parties a modern military would face off against, like Taliban, ISIS or chechens, don't have tanks

>>141437965
>because they're cool as fuck

Have you read the thread faggot?

Mechafags are trying extremely hard to prove they are realistically better than tanks.

>>141437811
>>141437874
>Failing to realize a mobile suit has human like movements.
>Thinking the force of a dodge will exert enough force to kill a pilot
You tank fags are retarded. Rewatch the scene of the Type 88 firing on the Zaku, it being able to dodge both shots while maintaining it's balance and returning fire.
https://youtu.be/ikB8B26OUpE?t=1m14s

>>141437915
>softer ground is pressed down to create the divots of treads
>This means the entire area is made of soft earth and something even heavier would sink into it.
You should learn about geology before you whine about physics.

>>141437945
>Shots fired at you from the fact that the tank is aiming at you and you see a barrel flash
>Oh shit, better dodge
>Dodged shots
Sorry if you can't cheat using any sort of homing system to target the Zaku.

>>141438060
Of course, otherwise the mech would always lose out

>>141438060
This. If tanks were allowed to use the same handwavium that mechs are obviously using, they would have fully automatic cannons, handle like F1 race cars, and be able to fly. Oh yeah, and one person could control the entire tank with ease.

Now that would be a show worth watching.

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>>141437504
>old Leo
Step it up, goyim.

>>141435362
>for the sophisticated we have shit like strike witches.

If by "sophisticated" you mean "autistic" then yes.

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>>141438167
Jews get out, modern tank designs are uggo as fuck

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>>141438167
>Not glorious slav meme ifv

>>141438086
It's not like they try to destroy tanks with AT weaponry. They go for better targets like soldiers than tanks.

But the tanks cost to deal with the lower grade of rpg is not simply cost effective.

>>141438216
The only thing this baby needs is rainbow neon-lights illuminating its bottom-side.

If animals make their own mechs those mechs will look like their respective animals. Meanwhile if animals make tanks those tanks will still look like our tanks.

It's obvious which one's more practical.

>>141437362
It's fertile, only engineers and some biologists get exactly how you can't scale up in proportion (radius of leg goes up by the square but the weight goes up by the cube so hold up it's own weight the relative thickness of the legs grows at an expectational rate), a giant mecha would look like a squat as fuck dwarf with the mother of all applebottoms compared to it's puny torso (t-rex arms). Real giant mecha = ugly as sin, and forget about having any heavy armor, the legs are strained enough as it is, it won't be able to move fast, and it would be gangly as fuck, and if it fell down the force of impact would mean it would never get back up. So do a mecha T-rex instead since you need the tail for stability, and put a howitzer on it's head, congrats now you have a gangly walking tank with shit armor and 20 billion different moving parts for your logistics guys to deal with.

>>141438216
In my opinion they didn't strap enough dakka on it.

>>141438119
>Everyone else is bringing up real-world physics and how they would limit a mobile suit.
>Shows evidence from a fucking fantasy cartoon world not restrained by real-world physics.

Are you DJ Khaled ? Because you are excellent at just spewing disconnected bullshit.

>>141438227

It is cost effective if your currency is blood.

>>141437558
Arsenal Gear?

>>141438312
But would realistically happen.

If you want more fantasy based, I got you covered.
https://youtu.be/2DLY-xw4nKQ?t=2m45s

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>>141438214
Okay.

>>141438227
>But the tanks cost to deal with the lower grade of rpg is not simply cost effective.

>What is Reactive armor
>What is Trophy/Quick Kill/APS
>What is Composite armor
>What is Slat armor

Ask me how I know you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>141438167
>3
>not 4

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>>141438167
Beware.

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You're in the club and these guys slap your tanks ass.
What do?

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>>141438363
Sexy. As. Fuck.

>>141438431
Wait for the wind to topple their top-heavy asses to the ground

>>141438431

Drop two nukes and call it a day.

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>>141438216
They've taken some pointers from the ORKS

>>141438431
>Jump on head
>Shit on eyes/cameras
>???
>Profit

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>>141437478
Step your game up senpai

>>141435944
>Muh wymens
Cant tell if you are pro or against ruining our military.

>>141438431
>small police mechs
>slap tanks

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>>141438431
>they wanna start trouble with my tank, thinking it's alone
>they don't know I got my whole division with me

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>>141438504
We're just getting warmed up, fuccboi.

>>141438298
Oh and by the way an abrams tank weighs more than 7 times as much as a t-rex. So in conclusion, if you want to bring the armor, if you want to bring the engine power, and you want to bring the BFG, you bring a god damned TANK!

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>>141438487
You forgot the close combat weapon you dingus

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>>141438101
Both sides ITT are all autistic fucks precisely because when talking about giant robots in a military setting, realism and physics that accompany said realsim are thrown out the window.

It all boils down to which one you think is cooler and that's (I'll probably have to spell this out for you) all up to opinion. I personally prefer my giant humanoid robots.

>>141438119
>Failing to realize a mobile suit has human like movements.
>Thinking the force of a dodge will exert enough force to kill a pilot


>doesn't even want to use realistic values
Okay I'll do it for you, you huge manchild.

Dodging a projectile that travels at 2000m/s would need the mecha to pull a dodge of around 200 Gs.

>>141438650
But what if it was painted red?

>>141438194
Having half-naked adolescent girls strap propellers to their ankles is a realistic alternative to conventional aircraft. I don't know why you planefags are so unwilling to see that.

>>141438611
I personally prefer literal castles on tank treads. It's a shame there are so few examples though.

>>141438671
It will be painted red when the pilot explodes from the sudden acceleration.

>>141438650
You make the assumption that it's going to be a matrix dodge and the motion won't already have been in place.

>>141438671
The cabin will be painted red, thanks to the remains of the pilot.

>>141438367
Yeah you are clearly blowing out of your ass right now. How does adding all those make the tank more cost effective?

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>MFW people think tanks are good
Nice iron coffins you got there faggost, don't mind me, just firing a missile up your ass.

And don't think your smoke or flares are going to help.

>>141438725
Most of those things are pretty standard equipment for modern armored vehicles, tanks included. It'd be weird to see a MBT without most of those features, like a modern car not having fuel injection.

>>141438720
No, that was you when you spoke of dodging upon seeing the muzzle flash.

>>141438682
>literal castles on tank treads

Explain this to me, anon.

>>141438854
Assuming the tank is going to keep the maximum range between it and the Zaku, the Zaku would have ample time to shift its weight and dodge the shot. Unless you're thinking tank rounds move at light speed.

>>141438781
> AA tank for you faggot.

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>>141438781
Call me when your ass gets sore.

>>141438833
my points those overprice toy's are not simply cost effective.

Like battleship were also nice toys until people realized they shit in cost effectiveness and got phased out.

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>>141438881
Not that anon but.

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>>141438934
>Needing a specialized tank because everything else would get slaughtered
>Those would still get destroyed by a competent pilot.
Hurr


>>141438946
That's a nice battleshit, shame if something were to happen to it.

>>141438151
We would get ultimate tank and plane/helicopter hybrid with all advantiges of both taken to extreme and none flaws of those.
But no, "mechs are cooler" so only those are allowed to have that.

>>141439008
Why do planefags always have to be the most autistic of all?

>>141438921
1.7km/s is as fast as they go nowadays, in a setting where technology would enable your shitty mech to exist i imagine they'd go even faster

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Heard Tank fags were talking shit.

The Valkyries have arrived to mop up these physics fags up.

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>>141438881
Something kind of like this, but even more stereotypically Gothic.

Like a mix between>>141438977
and Neuwachstein castle.

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>>141436001
This guy gets it

>>141439063
because planes attract those who can't drive

>>141438431
>just observe how they go way with damaged or completely broken mech hands.

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>>141437478
>>141438477
>>141438487
>>141438606
>>141438977
40K ANIME WHEN

>>141439152
How better of plane it would be without all that transformation stuff in it?

I could see the argument being made for tiny mechs that are meant to support infantry and only need 1 person to operate, something not much larger than a exosuit I guess.

Speaking of which will we ever get future tanks that only require one person rather than a whole crew?

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>>141439307
>we'll never have an anime about cute knights doing cute knightly things
Are we in this world just to suffer?

>>141438961
>Slat armor
>Glorified chicken wire that is invulnerable to old model shaped charges
>overpriced toy
Again, ask me how I know you're clueless.

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>>141434800
You can't infiltrate an alien hive with tank, the terrain is very uneven. It will have to be at least a walking tank. Two legs make it lighter, more mobile, and easier to control for a human pilot.

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>>141439008
>been this faggot..
Keep trying boy, your shitty plane couldn't even fly in a AA zone..

You don't like Russian shit? ... here for you little faggot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGpCUkFwYI

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>>141439420
We will get tanks that require 0 persons rather than a whole crew.

Well, mechs only work in space anyway.

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>>141439452
>infiltrate an alien hive
For what purpose? Just nuke the fuckers or send in the heavy infantry

>>141439409
It would be much worse off because the various modes allow for much more maneuverability it doesn't have to keep circling an area. If anything, it would stomp a regular fighting since it has multiple systems designed to shoot down incoming missiles.

>>141439504
>Being Russian made, so the quality is already suspect
>Needs 7 different things to even attempt to shoot down a plane
>WOW, it only took 7 of you to kill me.

>>141439504
>meme S400

>>141439528
Space Fighters are better than mechs.

>>141439513
I actually don't know a whole lot about drones, but what happens when the connection gets interrupted or it has an EMP fired at it?

>>141439504
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGpCUkFwYI [Remove]
>>141439585

>>141439529
>nuke
nukes are ineffective against aliens in deep tunnels. Aliens are spaceproof, so radiation doesn't hurt them nearly as much as humans. Though of course nuke inflict some damage to the hive.

>>141439574
Not just quality. They like to lie about real characteristics.

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>>141439152

>>141439673
>Put laser on aircraft that has a gunner and a swivel
>Point at ground target
>Dodge incoming laser fire from the ground targets
>Aircraft laser destroys ground target because they are giant targets on the ground.

Air superiority wins again.

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>>141439661
EMP largely doesn't work like in the movies, but modern MBT are drive-my-wire so a neutron bomb or directed EMP effect that could take out a drone would taken out a manned tank.

Military radio signals are designed to be difficult to jam. Improvement in jamming in the near future is likely, but for now it's not that big an issue.

To answer your question, though, it goes to the AI. If you can make a self-driving car you can make a self-driving tank. The military obviously has greater requirements on what they need in an autonomous system, but autonomous weapons are already being used and rich militaries are eager to take the human out.

>>141439504
Shit, that video is hilarious as fuck. Please tell me it's real

>>141435948
>Mechs can climb or jump over obstacles
Imagine the load bearing that would be necessitated to do that. If you were so concerned about this (tanks can already deal with a good number of obstacles) just make a dual track design like Halo's Scorpion..

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>>141439704
>Aliens are spaceproof, so radiation doesn't hurt them nearly as much as humans.

>>141439890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVB2b5Hbm04

>>141439818
keep dreaming.

>>141434800
In a world where Minovsky particles are a thing, tanks are shit.

>>141440015
>>141440050
>Needing 3 full seconds to heat up and melt a thin layer of plastic.
Those lasers will only be effective if you hit something like the fuel tank. Good luck with being that precise consistently.

>>141440091
They refuse to accept Gundam physics as the one true physics.

>>141440091
Except as has already been explained multiple times, a big tank with a fusion reactor and boosters is still better than a humanoid zoid.

>>141439818
Competent airpower is stupidly overpowered. Just look at Desert Storm.

I don't know why people think expensive land-based weapons systems still matter.

>>141440201
Tank fags still think we haven't progressed past World War II.

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>>141440091
>mechas can use churaaiizy future tech
>but tanks can't

>>141439635
You say that but the fact is that Space Warfare would be completely different from any kind of warfare that exists on earth, if I can compare it to anything MAYBE it would be a little bit like underwater combat and that's only assuming that your operating in deep space, once you start to deal with gravity fields and shit you open up a whole new can of worms.

Space fighters would probably be pretty useless unless were talking little drones that can be fired en-mass at enemy ships and that's only in close range, a lot of the fighting would be taking place at mind boggling distances apart from each other. Its pretty crazy stuff.

>>141439452
Dumb fucking muv luv fags.

Come back when the grappler class wont be killed by a fucking BTR.

Or when the Tank-class is immune against AK-47 fire.

Absolute shit world.

Small humanoid mechs designed to replace infantry > giant retarded mechs with non-integrated weapons designed to replace tanks

>>141440201
You know, not everyone is from Iraq and have to face the largest superpower alone and lets them build up.

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>>141439427

O rly?

>>141440387
>BTR
Haha, that reminds me of the 30 Strykers fag that used to post years ago.

>>141440142
>a big tank with a fusion reactor and boosters
Can into space?

>>141440121
I think your underestimating how accurate lasers actually are. You cant "evade" a laser.

>>141439835
>and rich militaries are eager to take the human out.
Quite the opposite. They have clearly stated they always want a human in the kill loop.

>>141440528
>30 Strykers fag
Explain.

What did he say.

>>141440547
But you need to focus it on one spot to make sure it's effective unless you've entered the sci fi level of where it's just a solid beam of energy.

With current tech, all a jet would have to do is move around erratically to keep the laser from eating up the same spot. Of course it would still build up heat, But it would buy the plane much more time to target and destroy the ground laser.

>>141440566
Just a a gloriously long Muv-Luv thread wherein one particularly adamant individual affectionately referred to as "Tank-kun" was arguing for hours about how modern day military implements, and 30 Strykers in particular, could beat back the BETA hordes, single-handedly derailing the thread and providing definitive proof of the autism on both sides of the equation.

This was years ago, no way I could find the thread.

>>141440678
Well that shows that muv-luv threads will never change regardless of time or individuals that shitpost there.

I guess it was when TE aired or was it after?

>>141440730
It was actually even before TE aired, that's how long ago it was.

>>141436589
>the Zaku pilot is an idiot
So he's your average Zaku pilot?

>>141440675
Sure but with the lasers we got now the Planes hull would probably be set on fire and light up on every single form of heat detection ever. There is also the possibility of cooking the pilot inside of his own aircraft.

That said, nobody said the planes couldn't also have laser which is why the US is developing laser shooting planes as we speak.

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>>141440775
Wew.

Well right now there are more slavs then burger tech fans in the muv-luv thread so you can expect slavic things instead.

To be honest here then the Stryker would be able to BTFO pretty much everything except a destroyer class from the front.

For some time.

>>141440142
In real land maybe. But in any world where physics don't fuck up mechas, tanks are shit.

>>141436589
>mech failing in mech wank anime
That's little embarrassing.

>>141440360
But even if we ingore realism and have setting allowing mech combat (like Minosky Particle justification), space fighters would be still better than mecha for reasons already mentioned in thread.

>>141435836

jesus fuck that looks terrible everything looks covered in fucking soapp

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>>141440890
>implying

Fatboy will BTFO you all

>>141441007
space fighters are one of the worst ideas anyone has ever had.

>>141440334
>cutting-edge tech
>used on inferior machines
Not even once.

>>141438002
>what are active protection systems
>what is infrared stealth

>>141440890
In world where physics makes exception for mechs and fuck up everything else, non mechs are shit
FTFY

Just like in world where katanas are not fucked up real life stuff, they can cut trough other swords like butter.

>>141440867
That's because vatniks and slavaboos have invaded ML threads thanks to Schwarzesmarken being about commies.

>>141441007
I think smaller mecha might be useful for firing into the enemy ship itself so that it can massacre the enemy crew, There is also the possibility organically designed mechs IE: A giant wall of flesh rending tentacles (metal or otherwise) with guns advancing through hallways and eviscerating everything in its path.

>>141439818
you do realize lasers travel at the speed of light in our atmosphere right

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>>141441119
>space fighters are one of the worst ideas anyone has ever had.

>>141437186

fuck...i never realized how much young me let bad quality get away with

>>141441163
Literary every mecha Real Robot show ever.
Unless there is one where humanoid mechs are stomped by other kinds of mechs and real life types of vehicles.

>>141437630

newer types of ammunition made angling armor not as effective unless its at extreme degrees, so they just went with eh fuck it were going to put more armor on the largest areas and flatten it out

>>141436933
>being stuck in mud automatically makes your weapons unusable

You could have also posted a picture of an Abrams that didn't drive it'self out with no help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCXwgPZXScM

>>141441408
Super Robot Wars OG had MC getting trounced by a tank squad but it was brought as a sign MC is a fucking noob who sucks so much at piloting he lost despite having a vastly superior war machine.

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>>141439427
>You and your osananajimi will never join the crusade
>You and your osananajimi will never invade the Saracen lands to spread the word of God
>You and your osananajimi will never DEUS VULT all the heathens into paste as you lay waste to their homes

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>>141441442
But that's not really armor shells are meant to bounce off. That puffy shit's just plastic and ceramics, the steel's underneath and looks like pic related.

They could at least try to make it look more utilitarian and less like a toy

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>>141439988
>spaceproof
Cosmic and solar radiation nigger, which would make that a nuke would only kill them because of blastwave/heat. Your average 'nid laughs at radiation.

>>141439307
Soon, I hope.

I liked the Code Geass approach. Those seem practical enough, before the power creep sets in.

>>141434800
In gundam at least a human body gives more maneuverability in space for some reason.

>>141441761
>Your average 'nid laughs at radiation.
Source?

>>141441761
Most modern nukes aren't really about radiation anyway, it's just a byproduct

>>141442031
They never were. Even the fabeled neutron bomb still has an explosive yield around that of 20 kilotons

>>141441007
>>141440793
No, almost every UC Gundam is a giant Feddie wank so of course they'd give advantage to them.

>>141441873
AMBAC is basically a real thing, it's just that sattilites don't do large motions so a tiny gyroscope is enough.

>>141441907
Implied, how do you think that 'nids bioships and space combat critters survive?


>>141442031
Read again sweetheart:

>>141441761
> would only kill them because of blastwave/heat

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>>141434800
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ep2PH3_oz8

You need to listen up, putting legs on a tank is a technical nightmare.

>>141442175
Whatever you say bruh

>>141439307
it will be shit.

>>141442842

>made by Kyoani

It'll sell millions.

Moe always does.

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>>141442842

>>141439307
considering that anime exists for the sole purpose of selling merchandise GW might actually make it someday

>>141438362
> But it would realistically happen
Got facts to prove you're not pulling shit out of your ass?

Oh wait, you don't.

>>141442625
It's a fact

MSG follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
Zeta follows the 'good ' feddies who win = Feddie wank
Double Zeta follows an allied group of the feddies who win = Feddie wank
Char's Counter Attack follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
F91 follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
Victory follows an allied group of the feddies who win = Feddie wank
0083 follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
0080 follows a group of Zeons who lose and all die = Feddie wank
08th ms team follows the feddies who win = Feddie wank
MS IGLOO follows a group of Zeons who lose but survive = Zeon Wank
MS IGLOO 2 follows the feddies who die, but win = Feddie wank
Unicorn follows a group of feddies and those allied with them who win = Feddie Wank

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Mecha fly and maneuver in the air. Nobody wants to see a box pivoting through the air.

And then there is the aspect of tacking on cute girls. It's much easier with humanoid war machines.

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>>141442894
Felinids joining the imperial guard, nyaa~

>>141443116

IS aren't really mecha, though. They're flying shield spheres with weapons tacked on. When the shield is disabled the operator is easily disabled/killed.

>>141443268
that's just the difference between mecha built by protoss instead of terrans

>>141438977
that looks more like a cathedral than a castle.

>>141438682
I saw something like that on pixiv. too bad I didn't save it.

>>141443079
MSG The Origin manga spends a lot of time fleshing out Char's backstory and the Zabi's.

>>141444141
They all die Minus Char and lose in the end. Ergo Feddie wank.

Thunderbolt is turning into a Feddie wank with all the air time they're giving Io too.

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>>141439307
warhammer 40kawaii

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GUY, GUYS

WHAT IF

WHAT IF

WE TAKE A TANK

K, GUYS JUST LISTEN FOR A MOMENT

WE TAKE A TANK...AND WE PUT IT ON A MECH

LIKE, NOT A MECH WITH A GIANT TURRET ON ITS BACK OR HEAD

BUT A LITERAL TANK, TREADS AND ALL, ON ITS BACK

MECH, WITH THE POWER OF SKY

TANK, WITH THE POWER OF TREADS

TOGETHER, THEY CONQUER

>>141437902
>>141435227
>Mechas with bow and arrow when?
Literally 40 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SloHs5O4S48

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>>141437896
Which is why the best fictional armies are the ones that incorporate both into their combat retinue.

>>141444811
Pardon me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tIywIuDkA


'Just aim for the joints men! That'll stop it!'

>>141444702
and upon completion of the mission the mecha pilot finds his tank driver buddy dead because the tank wasn't vacuum-proof.

>>141445191
You know, despite how ridiculous that scene was, I never get tired of seeing it. The sheer amount of no fucks given by the Mk.2 along with the desperation of Nod forces is just so satisfying.

>>141445389
Fuck meant to reply to >>141445003.

>>141445389
Because if you put the Mk 2 up against those same forces in game, it would crush them all the same.

There's a reason the game only allows you to have at a time.

>>141445657

What doesn't it oneshot? Cyborgs?

>>141437639
upvoted fellow redditor :^ )

>>141445754
Cyborgs because once you kill them, they get turned into a torso only version that crawls around.

The only way to beat it is just zerg rush it. Or spam banshees since it's anti air abilities aren't as powerful.

>>141445657
Not really. I said it was ridiculous because the Mammoth would never be able to tank that many Obelisk shots in succession. It really would have murdered that Nod base though. They were fucked the moment the Banshees didn't get airborne.

>>141445754
Cyborgs, certain structures, and that's pretty much it. 3 banshees can kill it, though it can usually take one out beforehand, and the cyborg commando can take it out depending on who shoots first.

>>141440563
>They have clearly stated they always want a human in the kill loop.
Of course they would say that to the public.
Reality of the matter is USA already has drones capable of 100% unmanned operation.

>>141445964
I thought it could tank like 5-6 Obelisk shots.

Although based on the rate of fire in some of the scenes, they looked more like laser shots than something from the Obelisk of Light. Maybe the in universe explanation is the Nod forces didn't fully charge the Obelisk shots so they could get more off on the Mammath, so it did even less damage.

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My question is, since we don't have the means of building a viable mobile suit, what improvements would be made on tank weaponry by the time we reach that level of mech tech? Most of the arguments I've seen reading this thread implies a modern tank vs a futuristic weapon. Not to mention tactical advancements in both fields of combat.

>>141446094
I distinctly remember you could take out the Nod base in the final GDI mission with the MK. 2 alone (and some vanilla Mammoths if you felt like it) but it would require you to take "pit stops" to let it's hp go back up otherwise successive Obelisks would destroy it. Given how the Mammoth 2-3 shots them it couldn't have taken more than maybe 4 shots from the Obelisks. Keep in mind this is all straight off my memory from way back in early 2000s though, since I have yet to get it on my current nostalgia-fueled playthrough.

>>141446370

Miniaturization will eventually allow handheld weapons that can slice through unshielded (as in, energy shields) matter in seconds.

>>141446381
Likewise. We should introduce tank fags to the Core Defender. That would probably wipe out the entire tank force of the United States in a single battle.

>>141438151
of course a 60 ton M-1 Abrams can go 45 MPH and shooting M1028 tungsten ball filled rounds out of its 120mm it can blow multiple man sized holes in reinforced concrete.

and, it's real

>>141446553

>rock, paper, scissors
>lets keep throwing rocks at it, maybe it'll get tired

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>>141446477
I would imagine both tanks and mechs would carry some form of energy shield in that case.

>>141446647

Thing is, keeping energy shield up is a massive power drain, while the handheld weapon only has to have a tiny opening.

>>141438151

Speaking of which: Hovertanks. Also, what's to stop you from armoring up aircraft to the point where you could plow through a building with one?

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>>141446706
From what I understand, a tank gets horrendous gas mileage already. I could see a tank going turtle mode would end up being a waiting game. Who is to say that a tank wouldn't have the same weapon just in mounted form? Personally, I think mechs would have an edge in a wider range of situations (such as both out of ammo and the mech punting/ stepping on the tank)

>>141446636
The Core Defender wasn't rock, paper, scissors so much as it was that one guy who calls nuke or some other retarded shit. Absurd hp, highest damage in the game, a stupidly high fire rate for the damage it pumped out per shot, and it could regenerate. Even air units were effectively useless against it since they did so little, to the point the best way of killing it was to abuse insta-kill mechanics.

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>>141441102
Walker still kills the fatboy.

>>141447014

>implying insta-kill isn't scissors

>>141446984
That's what soldiers are for.
Mechs are stupid.

>>141446477
Handheld weapons don't really get that much better. It's always about delivering energy to the target. There's only so much power you can pack into until cooling becomes a problem.

At the very least it has to be vehicle-mounted. And even if you manage to cram a megawatt of power onto a back of a pickup truck. What are you gonna do with it?

A megawatt laser would take time to actually melt through armor, especially armor designed to absorb heat instead of impacts. Particle beams don't work well in the atmosphere.

The only thing you can reasonably do with that kind of power is a railgun. And that's far from handheld. Congratulations. You just invented a tank's main cannon but without all the armor.

>>141447216

Who said it has to be a laser? There are plenty of wavelenghts to work with.

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>>141447108
That's more of a tactical edge rather than a base tank solution. Another tactical advantage for tanks of mechs would be guerilla warfare since a much taller bipedal would stand out like a sore thumb and present a much wider target to be hit. I'm not here to argue which is better, but please apply yourself more than just "Mechs are stupid" even if they are.

>>141447306
Wavelength doesn't matter. The shorter ones are inefficient to produce and turn air into plasma, which means the shooting party gets most of the heat instead of the target.
The longer ones are easily blocked by metal.

>>141447496

>Fire a ray to turn air into plasma
>deliver a jolt of electricity through it

>>141447777

>hold my beer

>>141447587
>current just flows through the outer hull, heating the armor
yeah, that gains you soo much over other delivery methods

>>141447777
Now do that in the stratosphere.

>>141447863

Um. Have you seen what a lightning bolt does to something?

>>141447587
tanks get hit by lightning without much harm, that's up to 1,000A at a 1,000,000,000 volts, a terawatt blast. Good luck inventing a weapon to beat that

>>141447915
I imagine tanks are pretty well grounded. Hell, planes full of gasoline get struck all of the time

Okay. Now, through oscillating the electricity, resonate the target till it shatters. Then handwavium-encased micro-missiles pierce through the hole.

>>141448218
yup, just saying plasma / electron beam not the greatest anti-tank weapon, especially anything that could be man portable. better to take that electric power and make a projectile move, that is known to work

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>>141438781
fuck off

>>141448744

>nice radars you have there
>shame if some HARM were to come to them

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Tankfags are seriously autistic. Why are you on /a/? Did you come from /k/ or something?
>inb4 m-muh realism! It's not realistic!
I'm not claiming it's realistic. It's not realistic at all, but mechs are a billion times cooler than tanks, so fuck logic.

>>141448779
>doesn't know that SEAD aircraft doesn't do shit to ADATS

>>141448744
>>141449161
>The Air Defense Anti-Tank System (ADATS) is a dual-purpose short range surface-to-air and anti-tank missile system based on the M113A2 vehicle. It is manufactured by the Swiss company Oerlikon-Contraves, a member of the Rheinmetall Defence Group of Germany. The project may be deemed a commercial failure, Oerlikon having invested over CHF 1 billion yet securing very few sales.
>The project may be deemed a commercial failure

DOH HO HO HO

Sure is a lot of Rheinmetall shilling ITT.

>manning the vehicles yourself
>not just dropping a nuke or a colony at the enemy
Step it up plebs.

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Cute toys, but we all know (at least those of us who have an IQ above 50) that the strongest weapon is DICK and it will destroy your nation before you even realize you don't even have a nation anymore.

>>141449671

>drop a nuke

>"holy shit what are you doing? DENOUNCED!" -rest of the world

>>141438023
Evidence that this will work the same in reality where the mechs don't have magical minovski physics.

>>141449932
What are you gonna do, rest of the world, start dropping nukes? Then you're no better than me.

>>141442175
>I don't like that they don't show the space nazis winning!

>>141450481
>I like a show where the same side wins every single time

You got American cartoons if you want that.

>>141450509
>I want to see the guys who commit genocide get their way in my animus.
You from /pol/?

>>141450823
>Being a moralfag
You from reddit?

>>141446647
Kiki gave me one of my first boners

>>141450385

>no trade
>embargos
>thrown out of UN
>closed borders

Yeah, totally worth it.

>>141450903
>Using the term "moralfag".
You got people caged in your basement?

>>141451287
>Being this new
Yup, definitely a transplant from reddit.

>>141451079
works for best korea

>>141451319
How many times have you uttered the phrase "it rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again"?

>>141442175
Do you really think that the side that's chronically short on resources can win in a sustained conflict against an economic powerhouse? Has history taught you nothing?

Call me when they install a minovsky reactor on a tank.

>>141436203
muv luv mechs are weak as shit

they can even get killed by some fucker who wields an RPG

>>141452115
Just needed to drop more colonies and have the protag be on their side.

>>141451417

>works

O rly? And they haven't been completely shut out yet.

These threads are about as retarded as powerlevel threads. You can't compare a modern tank and a gundam (yes I'm perfectly aware the Type 81, the Magella Attack and the Hildolfr exist), that's about as dumb as comparing a gundam to a valkyrie. The universes run on absolutely different rules.
That kind of stuff only matters when a mecha series is reasonably grounded with low enough technology level for the machines. For example, Gasaraki or FMP. Hell, even with FMP's mecha being literally gifts from the future there's still this:
>In the flat desert, it was a battle of tank units. That would be one of the most difficult situations for the weapon called Arm Slave.
>No matter how much High Technology crystal an AS had, it could never attain the armor and fire power of a tank. Not being able to repel tank shells, the standard level assault rifle could also not destroy the tank upfront.
>[Frontage Projection Area] - It was said that the area in front was what could be seen the most.
>Compared to the tank that crawled on the ground, a vertical walking AS that wiggles could be easily discovered, and easily shot. The greatest strength of an AS was its maneuverability, taking advantage of a complicated terrain to get close. It would be difficult in a desert.
>In an exchange of gunfire with a tank, it had no chance of winning.
>That was why the ally AS units made use of the dug trenches surrounding the ally base, codename “Alamo Fortress”, to accept the challenge and move from one place to another. Using freely the necessary number of anti tank missile, they moved from one trench to another using smoke screens, radar jamming, and infra red jamming. Though a simple tactic, there was no other way to do it.

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I seem to remember a big speech somewhere in Gundam Wing where it was explained that the human shape was to keep man involved in his own wars in attempt to keep the fighting from feeling pointless and hollow. Y'know overwrought "poetic" anime naval-gazing.
Just finished re-watching this. Holy Shit does this not hold up in the slightest.

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It literally doesn't fucking matter, sci-fi tech solves everything!

>build multi-million dollars giant robots
Go fucking anywhere!

>>141452236
it works for their leadership.