>Gundam is disregarded as a toy commercial >It has a better

All anime are commercials.

>>141426191
/m/ plz go

>>141426191
Yeah, but Seed and Seed Destiny suck, so it balances itself out. Seriously, Kira was the prototype LN Mary Sue protagonist, before self-insert LN protagonists were popular.

ayy

Another worthless thread by a phone fag.

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>>141426191
How much did you spend on your phone instead of a working PC?

And you have the nerve to talk about someone spending money on different molded plastics than you.

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>>141426191
>>It has a better story, more memorable characters, and more emotional moments than 99% of anime
Good one.

>>141426191
>dumb mobileposter

>>>/m/

https://desustorage.org/a/search/image/fk-F-hHm1-1ny6-IYmLopA/

How pathetic is your life OP?

>>141426191
>Gundam is disregarded as a toy commercial
It is?

>>141426191
The last few gundams have been pretty bad tho

>>141426513
>bottom pic
How is dab an anime?

>>141428674
You look more pathetic here, bud.

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>>141426191
>Gundam is disregarded as a toy commercial
Well it honestly was, but it was a very good toy commercial.

>>141430697
I wish I had a White Base toy as a kid

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AMURO

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CHAAAAR
YOKUMOOO

MOEAGARE MOEAGARE MOEAGARE GANDAMU

>>141432117
KIMI YOOO HASHIREE

MSG is better than Zeta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapUFO6YD20&index=6&list=PLE234F313FF53A39C
in the next episode of mobile suit gundam

>>141432264
MSG is one of the most important shows ever made in the entire world. Everything else is just its sequels no matter how good.

>Gundam
>Story
Pick one

>>141426191
Stop spamming this, faggot. Fuck off.

>>141432412
I didn't even think Zeta was that good, even disregarding significance I felt like MSG was a more solid show in general, Zeta was all over the place and felt really incoherent, the only thing it did better was the animation.

>>141426308
This senpai

>>141432519
Doesn't matter because ZZ is the real best Gundam.

>>141433051
It's the best Gundam for waifus. I don't think anyone could argue with that.

>>141432412
I enjoyed Zeta but for some reason hate the original. I don't know if it's just dislike for Amuro but the entire experience feels somehow campy.

>>141426191
At least I'm not spending money chasing after iterations of the same robot in different colors.

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Puru two a cute.

>>141433158
The music and designs and general style of the show is campy or retro as hell. Sort of like Star Trek (the original series.) That's part of its charm. If you see it that way it actually gets better with age.

>>141433102
Do waifus even watch anime?

>>141433319
But regarding the retro-aspects I don't think Zeta is that different. And still I enjoyed Zeta much more while considered the original to be occasionally even a painful watch.

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Why are Purus made for suffering?

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>>141426513
>animes

This will never NOT get me mad.

Is Turn A any good?

>>141433588
As far as Gundam series go, yes, it's one of the better ones. It might get a bit boring if you attempt to marathon the early episodes, that's a caveat. It has a solid science-fictiony feel without much shounen battling crap. There's not too much slapping/punching. And there's a didgeridoo.

>>141426191
Mecha is shit

>implying I buy merch

>>141426308
>Seed is bad meme

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>>141426191
Muv Luv >>> Gundam.
Gundam is muh willpower muh magical fantasy robots (mostly).

Muv Luv is hard sci-fi with realistic robots and a very deep setting.

>>141433413
I thought early Camille made Zeta hard to watch as well, but I get what you're saying about 0079. I think it probably had something to do with how a bunch of untrained children were able to single-handedly fend off wave after wave of battle-hardened Zeon troops. It's also funny how all the adult refugees on White Base were useless and complaining, while the kids were running everything.

Zeta at least had more competent pilots, so it didn't feel as ridiculous when they kept winning.

But it's weird how ZZ went back to novices piloting Gundams, but it didn't feel as weird because the series didn't take itself seriously while they were in the learning phase.

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>>141433915
>Mecha
>Realistic

>>141426191
I really wish /m/ would stick to their containment bord and fap over gundam there, without spilling the seed overboard. I really can relate to liking a single fucking show for years, but the level of autism there is seriously annoying and over the fucking top. I know two hardcore /m/ guys irl and with one you can't even speak properly without comparing everything to gundam. Its like an overused meme that went really, really wrong. Just stop it, its embarassing to watch those mechashit baits here once in a while.

>>141433915
>hard sci-fi
>realistic robots

>>141434025
Don't mistake one troll for a fanbase in general.
Also, all anime can be posted on /a/, even Naruto. /m/ doesn't make mecha /a/-unrelated just like /u/ doesn't make yuri shows /a/-unrelated.

>>141433915
This post is wrong on many levels and simplifies Gundam in a laughable way, but I actually agree Muv Luv is better. They pretty much have the same pacifist message combined with drama and love on the battlefield. Muv Luv is "harder" scifi as more details are explored but calling it "hard" or "realistic" is still a super stretch.

But unarguably part of my love for Muv Luv is the fact I'm an eternal manchild and even if Gundam has its moments of suffering the portrayal of war feel much more "realistic" and grim in Muv Luv as it isn't really sugarcoated in any occasion.

>>141434025
> I know two hardcore /m/ guys irl and with one you can't even speak properly without comparing everything to gundam
I'm not /m/, but wouldn't constantly comparing stuff to one of the biggest and most entry-level /m/ franchises be a casual thing rather than a hardcore thing?

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>>141433915
>Muv Luv
>realistic robots
>very deep setting

Really Anon? Really?

>>141426191
>Meanwhile autists spend thousands of dollars on waifu toys from shitty LN adaptations
People spend more on gunpla than BDs and figures.

Gundam is the reason anybody is aware of what a flexatone is. Gundam is to flexatones as Zelda is to ocarinas.

>>141426191
>>>/m/

>>141434264
What the fuck is a flexatone?

>>141433915
>Muv Luv is hard sci-fi with realistic robots and a very deep setting.
Did you even read Alternative?

>>141434284
You're not alone, I had to look it up

>>141434094
I am really sory to say that from experience with those two people, one which is a /m/ tripfag and second a n adult buyfag that reviews mecha toys for several companies, they fucking suck as representatives for the fannbase. All mecha related threads Ive seen over the years were pure garbage and "gundam is the pinnacle of scifi anime" circlejerks. I personally grew alergic to this genere so much I filter all even slightly mecha related seasonal shows due to how anoying the discussions over them get.
>>141434146
Don't know why that happened. I'm not proficient enough in the genere nor ever want to know more about it from what I already know, to distijguish this.

>>141434284
So that's how they make the newtype sound.

>>141434333
But still you're here. Funny thing.

But I wouldn't know as I don't frequent /m/. There's not much wrong with the mecha threads in /a/.

>>141434016
>>141434162
Muv-Luv isn't realistic, but it at least tries to justify the use of mecha on the battlefield over tanks and jets. And it at least acknowledges the amount of G-forces that you would experience in that sort of environment. Whether or not the solutions presented are practical is another matter though.

>>141433051
>not Turn A
shit taste

>>141434415
I will never understand this fixation with being given a bullshit pseudo-science explanation for things. Not even just mecha, people all the time complain about X and Y cliche and say "It would be tolerable if they'd at least hand wave it with some one-line explanation" and stuff like that. It just doesn't make sense - if you fucking know that the explanation is bullshit, why can't you just accept the bullshit without needing the show to hold your hand about it? How are people this hung up on realism?

>>141433413
To be fair the original TV show can be pretty bad sometimes. The movie trilogy is the best way to experience MSG, fuck what /m/ says.

>>141434284
I always wondered what that weird twangy instrument was.

>>141434415
Sure, Muv Luv is more "realistic" than Gundam, but as we are still talking about series with flying mechs fighting aliens the question about which one is more realistic is very close to whether it's better to take a shotgun in the eye or forehead: ultimately it doesn't really matter.

And when discussing the "depth" of the plot it's only resorting to buzzwords. I don't realistically know why Gundam would have any less "depth" than Muv Luv as they both pay attention to backstory and details to an autistic degree. Only thing I can think of what would make Muv Luv "deeper" is how the psychological effects of warfare are portrayed in a more humane way, but then again, the target audiences of the series are completely different and reflect the tone.

>>141434509
I watched the movies and don't feel like it was harder to continue with Zeta. Apparently I missed some island filler but can't say I'm really sad over it.

>>141433588
Turn A is pretty good and I always liked the theming of it, the 1910 technology vs moonrace, the comfy ass houses and building and the general feel of the series.

I like it a lot

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>>141434284
Essentially a percussion version of a musical saw from the '20s.

https://a.pomf.cat/kwrvpr.webm

>>141434509
The only times I found myself not enjoying the show were the first few episodes and that one episode where they ran out of salt.

>>141433588
It's the best IMO but it starts real slow.

>>141434659
I never understood why people hate the salt episode so much.

>>141434284
>>141434376
https://twitter.com/shota_/status/728510842757484544

>>141434684
It's just such a dumb idea for an episode.

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>>141434122
You have a point, to be honest Muv-Luv is "semi-realistic" scifi with a setting carefully designed to accommodate mechas. Semi-realistic when compared to scifi literature, that is, but if we compare it to other anime/VN then it will be hard to find any setting that strives to be more realistic.

>But unarguably part of my love for Muv Luv is the fact I'm an eternal manchild and even if Gundam has its moments of suffering the portrayal of war feel much more "realistic" and grim in Muv Luv as it isn't really sugarcoated in any occasion.
this

>>141434162
A discussion of realism of muv-luv TSFs will quickly devolve into physics and material science, I don't have time for that here. Let's say muv-luv TSFs are semi-realistic.

But the whole setting is ridiculously detailed. The author has designed the whole alternative history with similar but not-quite-ours historical event timeline. The TSF design, pros and cons, weapon types, materials, cockpits, pilot control systems (they use a combination of manual control and brainwave/EEG pattern recognition to control TSFs), and then some good design of alien species. It's hard to compare it to any other scifi anime or VN, the setting is that deep.

>>141434297
Of course I did, anon. Isn't it deep, or isn't it realistic? Well, if you remove QC theory and maybe remove G-elements.

>>141434741
>A discussion of realism of muv-luv TSFs will quickly devolve into physics and material science
You've obviously had this discussion more than once, but remind me, were TSF somehow dependent of the elements found inside the hives or was it just Susanoo and some others?

>>141434814
>>141434297
I liked Muv Luv when it tried to explain things, even in pseudo scientific way. In the end the 10-minute long explanations were just replaced with "lol quantum computer doesn't have to explain anything" and it was kind of bad move.

>>141434858
Not him, but TSFs were developed in response to the BETA, but they had mecha-type workers on the moon before the first contact with BETA.
So no, they had the technology before hand.

I think the reason was because the space race in their universe ended up with moon colonization. They also had space defense systems so the level of technology isn't really comparable to real life.

>>141435008
The technology in moon was really far from TSF though. Iirc the later models didn't have a pilot.

>>141434509
No, the best way by far is reading the Origins manga.

>>141434493
>why can't you just accept the bullshit without needing the show to hold your hand about it? How are people this hung up on realism?
A handwave is not a lampshade.
A lampshade acknowledges that something is silly.
A handwave makes up a silly excuse. That excuse can later be expanded, but even if it isn't, it's canon and can be used to properly explain phenomena within the show.
The people are not asking for science, they are asking for logic.

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>>141434858
Only the XG-70 Susanoo used G-element (alien hive material) driven engine.

TSFs use some form of carbon polymer actuators, carbon (and maybe magnesium alloy) armor and jet engines as a source of thrust and electric power.

To have any hope of being plausible they should be much lighter than they look, carbon armor and frame can contribute to that.

In Unlimited/Alternative timeline humanity already had better than contemporary material science in 1950s, giving them access to materials with order of magnitude better performance than current aerospace alloys. In that timeline humans were much more active in space - they had a moon base, and they even made project Daedalus succeed (IRL project Daedalus remained on paper).

Moon base used powered exoskeletons of various sizes even before humanity came into contact with BETA, so the TSFs are descendants of these exoskeletons.

>>141426348
>>141426348
>>141426348
>>141426348

Mobile users should be banned

>>141435254
You're right but at the same time I'm pretty sure those are tvtropes terms which makes you automatically wrong.

>>141435379
>tvtropes terms
That's because you're a newfag.
Those terms are older than tv-tropes.

>>141435377
>>141426348
How can you guys tell he's a mobile user? Is it a 4chanX thing?

>>141426191
As a non /m/ fag who tried to break into several different gundam shows and found them all disappointing. I really have to ask what's the appeal?

All of the stories try to blend teenage drama and world politics which just feels awful. The characters often feel like they sometimes forget the scope of their own universe.

>>141435455
It's detailed and if you get invested in the characters and universe it's fun. Honestly it's pretty silly, considering the points you mentioned. Aside that, you can see its influence in many series which makes it a fun watch if you're more heavy weeaboo.

>>141435455
Which ones did you watch, and did you finish them? All of them don't get really good until they return to space near the end.

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>>141433468
Brown girls are made for suffering too. Only Shakti (and maybe Marbet) was lucky, the rest has to die in pain.

>>141435452
>image.jpg

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>>141434949
Yup I like this part too, as well as briefings. They are almost plausible, a non-technical person wouldn't be able to discern them from the real thing.

In the end they had to make these plot devices like 00-unit's quantum computer and the whole quantum causality theory thing (sensor lol). These are clearly compromises, but if you look at this from fiction point of view it's epic.

>>141435452
There's a few file names that only really come up with phone users.
"image.[extension]" is a name that could theoretically be intentionally chosen by somebody, but it turns out that 99% of the time it's a phone fag.
Besides that, there's also blurry screenshots of manga pages that are commonly created by mobile posters.

>>141435455
Gundam series, and especially Tomino Gundams have a very distinct feel. The characters are very melodramatic, and their actions are often nonsensical. It's an acquired taste to say the least. Also for some reason they all need some version of a white battleship that's near invisible.

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Just look at these, it's like a history that never was.

>>141436124
now do one of those for mobile suits

>>141435254
I'm not sure where you got the idea I was talking about lampshades. I'm talking exactly about a hand wave - if something works in-universe, it works in-universe, you don't need to waste time with some nonsense elaboration about why it works in-universe (not necessarily, at least - obviously in some stories that might be plot-relevant, and that's different). And especially not when it's some well-trod cliche that you are completely aware of the existence and workings of.

>>141436273
Reread the last two sentences of my post.

>>141436321
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing there. Science or logic, it doesn't matter - it's still silly to demand that content be devoted solely to establishing how it is that cliches occur.

>>141436215
It's really sad that they don't exist as mobile suits put sales of shiny models before consistency.

>>141435563
I watched 1-3 episoides of various series that were listed as being pretty good. Was awhile ago. Three I remember were Wing, G, and Zeta.

Wing really had that problem of badly mixing teen drama and grand politics. The main girl pretty much killed the show by herself.

G was really ugly artistically, it has that weird 90s style. Characters looked especially bad in motion.

Zeta just sort of felt a little too slow to put up, if I had to say which one was the best it would easily be that because it had the best animation and camera work.

In general I don't like TV action shows. You need a a high budget to make good fight scenes so OVAs and TV are better. The exception is if you have near OVA budget (Big O), amazing directing NGE could make just a robot walking from the shadows bad-ass, or if you somehow get really invested in the story/character.

>>141436399
People don't ask for explanations for every little detail.
They ask for explanations or handwaves when there is a problem with consistency.

>>141436124
And this correlates to quality how?

>>141436399
Not that anon, but "being silly" is just highlighted as your opinion that's not in any line with what majority of people want. Remember the shit threads where people argue about powerlevels? It's possible because the work has internal consistency. Majority of people want logic and a possibility to understand all the shit, be it scifi or fantasy, as parts of the established universe. Sure, they wouldn't need to pay attention to any of the things because it's unrealistic, but explaining things is part of world building and an important part of immersion for many. What you're saying is basically "immersion is stupid" which is pretty strange claim.

>>141436487
Some people enjoy detailed worlds that have logical development of technology. It might not be your definition of "quality" though, whatever you might be seeking.

>>141436632
Strange or not, I stand by it. The world building most people talk about basically consists of autistic detail that often doesn't contribute to the story and that I'd read a history book if I wanted. The writers do certain things because they have certain goals that those fulfill, that's good enough for me and it doesn't reduce the pleasure I get out of a series to acknowledge that instead of pretending that every single thing is for in-universe reasons. Obviously there has to be some form of "consistency" in order for there to be any point, but that doesn't mean absolute consistency of everything, or it'd just be a physics simulator with alternate initial conditions. Let the author choose what they want to do without having to justify everything with realism.

>>141436808
And that's where the handwaves come in.
Handwaves are black-boxes that you set up at every junction where you need to work your magic to make your universe function properly despite wonky physics.

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>>141434553
>we are still talking about series with flying mechs fighting aliens the question about which one is more realistic

By the way these aliens, BETA are *scarily* realistic. If you take away the G-Element BS and lower their size a bit and make their armor MOHS 10 instead of MOHS 15, they could exist.

BETAs are non-intelligent (if we don't count limited intelligence of superiors) lifeform engineered by some other species with the goal of resource extraction. They are biologically hardwired to settle on planets, consume resources, grow their hives and multiply and then send the resources back to the creators and more BETA ships to other planets/solar systems.

>>141436808
>or it'd just be a physics simulator with alternate initial conditions.

That would actually be awesome.

>tfw no physically realistic mecha simulator

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>>141437241
forgot pic

>>141436808
I can understand where you are coming from, but you still have to admit you're in a clear minority and people invested in different franchises consider details and explanations a sign of thorough writing. And even then it's not always about "realism" as it's really clear many things in fiction are totally unrealistic, it's just to create detailed and immersive worlds. If taken to video gamer terms for easy comparison, you'd represent the people who just want to shoot things without really thinking about why and how. I can understand that, but at the same time I don't consider it a good writing, and I don't think anyone should.

>>141436438
If you want to, you can jump straight into 0080, 08th MS, Thunderbolt, because they're all OVAs taking place early in the UC timeline. The F91 movie is probably watchable if you're familiar with what newtypes are and know some other background info.

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>>141437374
>Tfw never going to play this

>>141426676
The original did though, then Zeta was a huge downgrade in quality of everything other than animation.

>>141437471
I thought about making a clone of this game. I have all the necessary skills, but it would take 1-2 months of unpaid work.. I can't afford doing that. Maybe later.

Also, found their site http://www.littlemeteor.com/home

>>141433051
G Fighter was pretty good

>>141437597
Can you actually download the game or is it just more salt for wounds?

>>141426191

People have their narratives and like to stick to them and nothing is going to change that.

>>141426221

Except with Gundam people really like bringing it up though I guess when the company that makes it dick waves about it making 80 billion yen a year it's going to come up more than with most franchises. I love how people get so mad over Gunpla merch but figurines are totally 100% -fine and if you swap a mech out for a battle haremette or something suddenly all problems disappear.

>>141438137
Nah, I haven't found DL link. But I have seen job applications at âge, they hire 3d modelers and animators. Maybe they have bought TSF forefront and will release it on their own, or they'll make their own action game. Who knows..

>>141434025

Maybe if Gundam weren't like the greatest and most significant anime franchise pretty much ever things wouldn't get compared to it as much.

หลังจากครั้งก่อนที่รายงานความคืบหน้าล่าสุดให้ทราบค้างอยู่ที่การพัฒนาด้านกราฟฟิกหลังจากนั้น ก็ได้มีการต่อยอดในการปรับปรุงและพัฒนาฉากรวมถึงวิสัยทัศน์การมองเห็นและลักษณะมุมมองต่าง และได้มีการปรับแต่งลักษณะของตัวหุ่นเพิ่มเติมซ้ำอีกครั้ง หลังจากนั้นก็เริ่มมีการเน่นปรับลักษณะสีและลายหุ่นอยู่พักหนึ่งพร้อมกับสลับการเล่นทดสอบตัวเกมไม่มีอะไรคืบหน้ามากนักแต่ก็ได้ปรับแต่งส่วนเล็กๆน้อยๆไปหลายส่วนอย่างมาก (ดูจากลักษณะแล้วก็คิดว่าคงจะค่อยๆปรับไปที่ละนิด)

>>141434284

It's the instrument that was used to make the iconic Newtype reaction sound.

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Get your preorders ready, homos.

>>141435377

There's about a dozen groups of people that should be banned long before people that are using their phone to post. I mean fuck I'm on a tablet posting this, wanna cry about it? Tell someone who fucking cares. It's 2016, grow the fuck up and get used to it.

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>>141438620
S-sure, anon

>>141438655

Kudelia getting her own army Lacus style now?

>>141438715
The problem with phone users is that a disproportionally large part of them seems to regard /a/ as a place without value. They are immune to bans and they enjoy their freedom to troll the community without repercussions.

>>141438819

That I can relate to as a decent recent to hate them actually.

>>141438819
So phone users are basically /tv/ in a nutshell?

>>141426191
you're wrong I watched a lot of gundam and it was shit

>>141440259
Especially G-Rectum

JUST HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES CAN A TEENAGER GET CAPTURED BY THE ENEMY ONLY TO SLIP AWAY AND KILL WHOEVER THEY NEED TO KILL EVERY TIME I seriously can't even stand the stupid waifu plot points in the show half the time the characters fell in love with an enemy or something fucking stupid the old gundam shows are really shit

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Because Gundam is actually made to sell toys. That is the only reason this series is still alive, because toy sales supplemented the original's bad ratings. While the shows themselves have become something really good, the Gunpla are what keep it alive.

Meanwhile, Light Novel adaptions are usually made to advertise the Light Novel series themselves, with figurine sales being a nice bonus.

Also, Zeon is actually terrible.

>>141440780
>Gihren
Good old space Hitler

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>>141435585
>Implying

>>141444715
Actually a pretty good point.