>Fan service is alienating Aside from western non entities

>>141220853
There is such a thing as excessive fanservice though, and it can diminish the value of a character, reducing them to nothing but a mannequin to get it's clothes ripped off.

See: History's strongest disciple Kenichi.

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>>141220853
>There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi aside from western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
>that is currently destroying trigger as we speak

Sure. Just because they embrace American superiority means they'll embrace the evils of it.

Who are you even quoting? SJWs? They barely matter, if at all.

I don't think Kiznaiver would be good, even if it had lewds. The lewds certainly didn't stop KlK from being shit.

>>141220853
I completely agree.

>>141220853
>There is absolutely no reason for a late night anime not to have ecchi
Instead of desperately fish views with tits and ass, how about making interesting anime with mature themes?

Fan service keeps normalfags away from anime. I don't like it excessive either, but a beach episode or panty flash is fine if done right.

>>141223476
This is exactly what a normalfags would want. While I wouldn't mind more like that, it's no different than saying ''why isn't there more anime like cowboy bepop and attack on titan''

>>141223580
Don't post that shit on /a/.
You can watch those videos and get angry at them all you want (although I have no idea WHY you would want to at all) but that's your business, not /a/'s.

>>141223639
>This is exactly what a normalfags would want
Quality? That's a normalfag thing now?

>>141223672
no way I gotta share it

>>141223709
Muh mature shows. Mature themes =\= quality.

>>141223732
Like the average asshole with aids.

>>141223775
whatever you say my man

>>141223709
You don't want quality, you want to impose your western stupidity on others. Now fuck off and die pussyass bitch nigger, you are not needed here.

>>141223761
Fair enough. But too often fanservice is used as a stand-in for quality.

>>141223732
You are the problem.

Like.

>>141220853
Pro tip: no one cares in anime industry about American values.
It's Japanese who is going to part for anime and it's Japanese who want to see cute girls doing pure things.
It looks like it's you who are being manipulated by western propaganda into thinking that showing girl impure, sexualized is good and desired.

>>141223848
I agree to an extent, but fan service itself is a non-issue. I like moeshit just as much as I like manime.
I want cute girls doing cute things, ecchi harem shit, manly men doing manly things, and everything in-between. While there is definitely more cute girl anime, harems, SoL, and romance, that's just how the industry works.

We still get grimdark series and serious action shows every now and then.

>>141220853

I think that fan service can get really obnoxious and completely ruin series that are not based around it. Ecchi is something that shouldn't be used unless it really works thematically, is in a series where ecchi is a focus, or is executed brilliantly in a way that does not destroy suspension of disbelief and frame the series through the lens of the male gaze.

Grimgar is a series where "ecchi/fanservice" was done incredibly well. There are fanservice-y shots, but they do not feel crass or jarring because they are contextualized and not so one-sided. But there are plenty of delicious shots of Yume that do not feel cheap because they are very well integrated into the activities of the entire team.

I am alienated by ecchi when it is entirely stupid or when it ruins the story/mood of a series. In some shows it is entirely fine to have beach/hot springs episodes. But in others it just feels overwhelmingly out of place and contrived. I do not care about the purity of any anime girls, in fact, I think it would be a bit healthier if we had some non-virgin girls/women that were still sexualized (currently, even teachers are expected to be virgins in anime). Innocence/virgin fetish is fine to a point, but it is so fucking dominant in anime that it crowds out everything.

>>141220853
>currently destroying trigger
The fuck are you talking about?

>>141224163
I'd rather not hear about a girls previous sex partners at all, especially if they're the main love interest.

Doesn't matter if they're a virgin or not.

>>141223848
No it's "used" to make fans happy. T&A has pretty universal appeal, the people who complain about it 99.9999% of the time do not even buy anime or merch anyway.

>>141223091
Its called making a thread that isn't a general

>>141224163
>male gaze
>>>/tumblr/

>>141224129
>but fan service itself is a non-issue.
Usually, but not always. Fanservice used well can enhance a series. Fanservice used poorly can take it over and diminish it. But there's nothing wrong with fanservice in and of itself.

>>141224341
Fans would be happier with something of quality than with something that only excels at titillating. Unless the something in question happens to be porn.

>>141224163
>male gaze

>>141220853
>western propaganda that is currently destroying trigger as we speak
What?

>>141224163
Why are these kinds of people always reluctant to actually give examples of "jarring" fanservice?

>>141225087
>Fans would be happier with something of quality than with something that only excels at titillating
Yeah you would know cause you obviously have your finger on the pulse of every anime community in the world right? If only the industry were as hip as you and could just understand what the fans REALLY want. Get the fuck over yourself you pretentious dickweed. You don't know shit. T&A has been used as a (very successful) marketing strategy for ages. You know why? Because it works.

>>141225017
That's what I meant. Nothing wrong in itself, if used appropriately.

>>141223580
>Japaneseisms
>horrible pronunciation
Fucking raged, and quit i minute 11 seconds in.
What a fucking faggot.

>>141225406
>appropriately
No, he said used well. You're trying to qualify what he said. It's obvious you have a negative stigma attached to fanservice and are only pretending to be impartial so you can fit in.

Personally. Fanservice >>>>Plot Amor.

>>141225087
Explain to me why titillation is objectively separate from quality. Like, why is something enjoyable not counted as quality?

>>141225485
What? No, I like fan service.

>>141225492
This. If the show is going to insult my intelligence I'd at least want to get something out of it. Watching the same hackneyed plot over and over again is tedious but if I can watch it again with a boner then maybe I'll sit through it.

>>141223476
Because I like tits more than mature themes.

>>141220853
It's a good thing that their sales are dependent upon a niche group then. Westerners have little impact on sales since most don't and can't afford dem jap merchandise. All the anime that Westerners have a larger impact nowadays are mostly the entry level stuff and most are stuck in the anime only faze.

>>141225696
Most of the western impact on anime is actually at the top rather than the base. The western fans mostly feed the western companies that participate in the industry, and those companies are mostly fringe outsiders who are considered an afterthought in Japan. What I mean by influence at the top is that some of those companies are trying to change their status in the anime industry from outsider to insider.

Fan service itsself is pretty bottom of the barrel entertainment. Sure sex has been used in advertising for years but that doesn't make it good. I'd much rather have something that can stand on its own than something that has to use sex to keep me interested. Its different when its actually part of the art style. Grimgar example above was great. Punchline and Skullgirls and Kill la Kill are also good examples where the art is extremely sexualized, but it doesn't feel like fan service because its very much part of the style. The animation in Skullgirls would not work with modestlly drawn characters, and would feel quite out of place with the settings and back grounds.

I think the best place to look at this difference is the magical girl genre. Take YuYuYu vs The side materials for instance. The side materials are absolutely chock full of fanservice. They're super gay. But the main series leaves a lot of that out except in the parts where it really matters to the characterizations. This gives us plenty of time to focus on the plot and the characters, and this is what made the series so great. The best threads were not the ones where one anon dumps those yunna picks (you know the ones) and we tell tougou to go the sleep. Its the threads where we discussed the future of the hero system. Why go out of your way to waste screen time when theres so much more you can focus on. While its fine in the side materials, Its pretty difficult to say they can hold their own better than the main series.

Then you have CCS which was really refreshing in its reluctance to sexualize the characters. Its not like CCS is a modest show either. Having a relationship between a teacher and student a somewhat a bold move. But theres so much more the show that inserting fanservice would have been completely unnecessary. Then take Pleiades. The swimsuit episode was easily the worst episode. It was so focused on providing fanservice for the cast that the quality of the episode clearly suffered

>>141223639
>why isn't there more anime like cowboy bepop and attack on titan
I actually want an answer to this.
9/10 anime series per season focus around some kind of school.
Originality is rare these days.

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>>141220853
Fansevice is alright here and there or in anime specifically meant to be fanservice shows.

But in show's that are meant to be be plot/ character development focused it can be distracting and take away from the mood of the show. Like how am I supposed to take a character with any amount of seriousness when the camera always focuses on their tits, or if their supposed to be a great warrior but their battle armor is essentially a bikini paired with a funny hat? How am I supped to feel bad a character died when the camera is focused on someone's ass? And don't even get me started on eroticised rape scenes.

Think about it like how Shiki tried to have a serious plot/ message despite the goofy character designs and other shenanigans. It just didn't work together.

>>141227317

More like 5/10. It's annoying, but don't exaggerate.

I don't get this weird neo-puritan thing. I used to blame Americans but their TV shows make ecchi anime look downright pure - ever seen HBO? Is this what happens when Saudis get internet or something?

There's literally nothing wrong with fanservice. There are shit shows that use it and also amazing ones that do. Tits alone can't carry a series, but that doesn't make them a bad thing to have.

>can't take a 2d character seriously because of the way they dress instead of the their action.
Can't relate to that.

>>141225497
Because not all "arousing" things are good.

Its why most battle harems and lewd shows are snarked upon.

>>141228405
If the point of the show is fanservice, like Monster Musume, or a raucous nonsense comedy like Bakuon, then hell yes bring it on.

But if the show attempts to have another point, then fanservice is basically a signal from the creators "this isn't really interesting but if we shove enough tits and ass in your face you'll watch it anyway."

It often also feels completely out of place and very jarring, like if I'm supposed to seriously empathize with a character's feelings and then I'm shown basically a playboy photo-op of that character, it really strongly communicates "she's not a character, she's just fap fuel" and diminishes my engagement.

Fanservice is just garbage. Either embrace it and make a full-fledged lewd series or do not at all.

>>141220853
>That fucking doujin

I forgot the name /a/ but it was absurdly cute, anyone able to find sauce?

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>>141228405
Western fanservice is pure trash.
It's not because it's more or less erotic, but because it only about sex without any deeper meaning.
For example in manga/anime KissXsis had Ako and Riko are talking about sex all the time. Yet they aren't saying: "Keita has such a hot body, I want to fuck him". It's all about they real love for him, and they all want also to care about him and are exclusive to him.
I don't watch western TV at all, but I once had occasion to watch some show that my roommate often watch. It's being transmitted on just normal, popular TV station, but I don't remember which one. It was so full of fanservice, but there wasn't any real values in it. It was just about bunch of people, both male and females acting and talking like literal sluts. It's all was just lewd as fuck between the lines and plain promoting casual sex and pleasure for pleasure.

>destroying trigger

There's nothing to destroy. Trigger is a below average studio.

>>141233420
You're so full of shit, there's 'tasteful' fanservice in the west and plenty of pure smut in Japan.

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The only people who hate fanservice are western normalfags. That's it.

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>>141234005
I guess, I have not seen any of these then.

>>141233420
>I don't watch Western TV at all
And there's your problem. You based your opinion off of that one show your roommate watches. Just like anime there's some really trashy fanservice out there, but it has the same capabilities of being tasteful or good.

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>>141220853
>>141234214
Monster Musime is living proof that you can have an ungodly amount of fanservice and even couple it with outlandish fetishes and still have pretty likeable characters with an interesting story.

>>141234908
SnS is a pretty good tasteful fanservice manga imo.

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>>141220853
>defending fan service
Good one.

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>>141225247
Trigger classic: inferno cop, witch academy
>Only admire certain western animation as the progenitors of anime

Trigger 50% westified: Kill la kill, naka de
>rap music in op, profane humor removed, lolis removed, strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)

Trigger 80% westified: Kiznaiver, uchuu patrol
>Fan service removed, every one dressed like western hipsters, plot revolves around world peace and characters whining about their problems

Who knows whats next

>>141223220
>The lewds certainly didn't stop KlK from being shit
you're right, what stopped KLK from being shit was the fun story and best girls

>>141236845
>not necessarily bad
As long as they don't push the >haha stop being sexist strong womyn angle I'm fine with strong female leads.
I also hate when people go >but I can't hit a girl, shit's so bullshit when the girl in question can and will wipe the floor with your very best.

>>141236845
>uchuu patrol
>Everyone dressed like western hipsters
The girls are in middle school and wear short-ass skirts with their school uniforms and the big bad is wearing a literal fucking Kamui

>>141234460
This.
If fan-service is distracting you watch something else. Not everyone's moral compass is the same or need to change because of you.

>>141237249
>Not everyone's moral compass is the same or need to change because of you
>implying that's not exactly what's being pushed everywhere these days

>>141236845
>Kill la kill
>profane humor removed
what? there were plenty of rape jokes and shit
>lolis removed
what about fucking nonon, also this is really a non-isssue because plenty of anime have no "lolis"
>rap music in op
rap has been a part of anime culture since the early ninties
>strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)
now i'm beginning to wonder if you've even seen anime before 2010. so many anime have had strong female leads, way more than western shows
>fan-service removed
it's now obvious you haven't even seen it, one of the main characters wears less than a kamui and has a completely lewd body
>every one dressed like western hipsters
what the fuck are talking about?
>plot revolves around world peace and characters whining about their problems
have you even watched a single fucking anime?

are you fucking kidding me?

>>141237294
No shit. When is it gonna end...

>>141221129
I don't believe it. alisa from god eater was still good even though she was just walking underboob.

this thread is worse than a /pol/ thread

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>>141236845
>Luluco
>fanservice removed

Am I being baited?

>>141223220
klk became shit when it stopped being a sexplotation show about exhibitionism and turned into a run of the mill action show.

>>141236845
>strong female leads ( not necessarily bad)
as much retarded shit that tumblr spews out, the truth is that there really is nothing wrong with having strong female characters, and that women have been generally treated as weak idiots in most stories for a long time

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>>141237249
>>141237294
The logic that'll lead to a meme show becoming real

>>141237534
/pol/ does have pretty good anime threads.
They really like Kiniro mosaic.

>>141237578
It just has to be not in-your-face about it, which anime generally is. Strong female leads are shit if they just HAVE to shout about the stereotype again womyn being ungrounded when even in-universe it IS grounded and they're special for being a girl, just like male MCs are shit if they #wonthitagirl even when the girl in question defies the condition that made it a thing (i.e. don't bully the weak ones) and is 10x stronger than the rest of the cast.

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>>141237578
Strong female characters are rarely done well in power level centric series (Its always the butthurt DBZ and Naruto fags asking and wishing for that and they end up with pic related).

In more character driven stuff its alright.

>>141237706
That's the issue.

>>141237706
this is true
>strong womyn
shit and should be eradicated from the planet
>strong women
pretty fucking cool

>>141220853
A yes the "I rape my brother while he sleeps" doujin, this was a good one.

>>141237745
erza is god-tier tho

It's a waste of time, and there are plenty of contexts where it would (and does) undermine the tone of a story or character. If I want porn, I can find actual porn easily.

>>141237745
>Strong female characters are rarely done well in power level centric series
They can be if they're treated as just absurdly strong and not special for being a girl. The whole point of not hitting girls is that they're generally weaker, in powercentric series the distinction is moot because there would be plenty of girls who can shear the face off guys with a superpowered slap and on the high end of the spectrum simply remove people from existence or warp the world to their comfort.
>>141237847
She's a Mary Sue who asspulls her way out of victory, but that's just Fairy Tail in general.

>>141237578
while male character are treated as punching bags or winning good for nothing pervert in lots of anime as well.

>>141237787
I meant it generally did well and avoided being in your face, not that it was in your face.
>>141237900
They're usually treated as perverts who pull through when needed, so not quite the same as cockorbiters. One of the reasons I like Konosuba, because the MC is a prick that knows it and doesn't care, while the girls have actual fucking motivations besides the penis.

>>141237706
>#wonthitagirl
Since when is not hitting a girl a tumblr thing? I'm more likely to hear SJWs complain about that sort of etiquette and hear middle-aged conservatives defend it.

>>141223639
Normal fags aren't intellectuals retard.

Why is this thread still up?

>>141237575
Spot the tubmlr-whale.

>>141238039
because there's nothing to watch at the moment.

>>141237999
I never gave a shit about whether or not something is tumblr, just whether or not it makes sense.
If a girl complains about an unreasonable stereotype in a setting where one actually exists, yeah she SHOULD be. The hitting girls thing is just something retarded, why WON'T you defend yourself just because it has tits?

>>141237896
Erza has the loudest asspulls.

Natsu does things but the last memorable one was Grand Magic Games and the shit Erza did there was still louder.

>>141238039
Because.

>>141220853

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_nurDfEq9M

>>141238090
Oh, I was assuming the # was meant to associate it with tumblr/SJWs.

>>141232154

>tits and ass signal that something's uninteresting
>I can't empathize with a character unless they wear enough clothing

Sounds like the problem's with you m8. That's what I mean by the whole neopuritan mentality - you genuinely believe sexuality and the human body make people less worthwhile.

I don't, so I don't have any problem with fanservice. I don't like battle harems because the plots are generic, not because of the tits.

>>141225104
>>141224757
Literally the correct term retard. You are intrinsically different because you like vagoo rather than dick and so is the way you view the world.

>>141220853
> weeaboos complain about fan service
> boycotts Anime
> but they all watch crunchyroll, funimation
> CR and Funi goes out of business
> Japanese continue to do its thing
> SJW weebs stop watching anime because "I can't watch illegal"

I don't see the problem here

>>141238193
Nah it's just a hashtag, in retrospect /wonthitgirls/ probably would've been better for 4chinchans

>>141238177
Stop fucking posting this, mods deleted it for a reason the first time. Fuck off.

>>141238237
Yes, please don't use hashtags.

>>141232154
>But if the show attempts to have another point
Then what matters is which came first.
If it's ecchi that tries to force a plot, then it's usually shit. If it's plot that adds PLOT, then it's not necessarily shit.

Theres shit anime studios that make non-entertaining anime and fill time with shit like mandatory beach episodes because they have nothing else going for them.
Some studios dont suck and make fanservice really entertaining and adds to the series value.

>>141238338
What the fuck is the point of UMIDAAAA episodes anyway
Nothing ever actually happens in them except sometimes the harem gets a new member.

>>141238231
Yes, no shit, people who attracted to women want to see different things than people who are attracted to men. That doesn't mean complaining about it isn't retarded.

>>141238415
I think what he meant was that it works fine as long as the male gaze thing isn't profoundly standout (presuming it actually pretends to have a plot)
Shit like TLRD doesn't even pretend to give a shit about the plot, it's just >how will he hide a pussy in plain sight again
But if it tries to have a plot, then there shouldn't be tits outta fucking nowhere and a random pantyshot for no conceivable reason.
Or maybe he's an SJW faggot, who knows

>>141238585
Lewdness can only carry garbage for so long.

>>141238585
>Anime is made for men and men like those things.
Not exclusively, in either case, and I don't really have a problem with fanservice.

>>141238415
The term "male gaze" can be useful, don't just quote it.

>>141238585
>Anime is made for men
>implying not little girls
I'm still not him but I'll just give an extrmee example
If we're in the middle of the hypest battle scene and randomly the female assist trips and loses her top so she has to handbra, that's some jarring bullshit right there. I'm supposing he's talking about that kind of stuff

>>141238379
> Japanese wanted to watch Western-oriented Anime

Kabaneri is an exception but look at Studio Trigger.

All the weebs love it yet it's not doing so hot in Japan.
The foreigner money is only a small slice of the Anime revenue

Therefore, they'll have to import different kinds of Anime including ecchi ones. Then SJW weebs will be offended by them and boycott those services. Or complain about it for its removal. But because these streaming services only offer a small share of the revenue, Japan will not be affected by those removal. CR will see less and less viewership then you know the rest

>>141220853
Feel like a shit but google and saucenao hate crops
What's it from?

>>141238862
>Anime that isn't aimed at men is either for children or fujoshit
Yes, both of which are not men. So I am correct.

the fanservice tropes are really off putting for a western audience, panty shots and balloon tits only appeal to jap tv watchers. Why would internet accessing westerners give a fuck about so tame, out of place, forced sexyness?

Is there any conventional balloon tits pantyshot female character thats well known in the west?

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>>141237578
tfw rail gun was good with misaka as the lead until mc-kun showed up to shit on everything with plot armor

>>141238691
The "hypest" action scene in monogatari had a fucking 'loli pussy covered by band-aid' shot, and not only didn't ruin the scene at all, in fact it made it even better once you notice it.

The climax of Gunbuster had Noriko ripping her shirt, exposing one of her tits. That's arguably one of the most memorable scene in anime.

You are full of shit.

>>141239075
Yeah now imagine if in the Schwarzmarken finale Beatrix randomly stripped off before dying. That's the bs I'm imagining.

>If we're in the middle of the hypest battle scene and randomly the female assist trips and loses her top so she has to handbra, that's some jarring bullshit right there. I'm supposing he's talking about that kind of stuff.
Yet for some reason I can accept that more than an asspull-plot armor-I'm an inexperienced teen wo can beat adult-bullshit that most anime character pulls.

>>141237745
my issue with erza is early on in fairy tail she was stated to be stronger than natsu but he always fought the strongest arc boss. That sort of changed recently with erza/natsu both fighting overpowered opponents that could give both of them trouble but unfortunately I can't stand current fairy tail.

>>141238520
>>141239075
Yeah, the points he's making aren't really about fanservice, they're just about general competence in directing/writing. You don't interrupt a climactic sequence for some random shit, sexual or snot.

>>141238077
Improve your reading comprehension, dummy.

>>141239163
Never said that was OK too unless there's a legit reason.
>>141239192
Yeah that was my point, sometimes poor directors stuff in PLOT, but in a shit way that takes away more than it adds

>>141223476
Read manga, dumbass. Anime is almost purely lowest common denominator entertainment meant to sell manga and light novels nowadays.

>>141239202
Only tumblrinas like you ever thought that the fan-service in KlK was anything more than that.

>>141239287
>lowest common denominator entertainment
Wrong
Most anime are lucky to sell 3,000 BDs
You forget that anime is still a tiny niche of entertainment

>>141239244
never said you did m8. Just sharing my opinion on that.

>>141239244
How about giving an example that actually happened, then? Because from my perspective, seriously shitty instances of this are very rare.

>>141239432
I have a vague notion that it did happen quite a few times but can' actually remember any. Funny how that works huh h-heh please don't kill me I swear I'm not just shitposting

>>141239398
He's just spewing buzzwords. Ignore him, he probably forgot the actual meaning of lowest-common-denominator years ago.

>>141220853
It's apart of the culture doofus.
Caring about the west is retarded, Japanese make these shows for the fans tastes. Pick a new hobby pleb.

>>141239398
>meant to sell manga and light novels nowadays.
Even stuff that sells very well like Haruhi was meant to advertise the books, and hasn't been continued despite being profitable on it's own.

>>141224341
>No it's "used" to make fans happy.
"Fanservice" is actually a misnomer. Japanese creators like "fanservice" themselves, so they aren't doing it just for the sake of fans. Creators and fans are the same people in Japan.

>>141227317
High school is not mutually exclusive with originality, and originality is not a guarantee of quality. And if you are so concerned with originality then why do you want Bebop and Titan to be rehashed? There already are at least two shows similar to Titan anyway: Sidonia and Kabaneri. The latter is even an original show directed by Titan's director.

>>141239136
The male gaze argument is expressly about things targeted at male audiences. It's saying that stories are too often made exclusively with the male perspective in mind. It's not even really about fanservice in any specific sense.

>>141239572
>It's saying that stories are too often made exclusively with the male perspective in mind
How is that even a problem

>>141239572
Are you a woman or a gay man? Othewise, you shouldn't be too hung up on stories being tailored for the male viewer.

>>141239509
>not mentioning Muv Luv

>>141239572
>stop liking what I don't like

>>141239572
The only thing I've really seen as a problem with the male perspective is that on average male LN/WN authors tend to be a lot worse at developing characters than female LN/WN authors for some reason. Particularly, male authors have the MC be a stuttering shitlord that suddenly becomes alpha during the fights and becomes beta again when alone with the girls, and have the girls be one-dimensional cardboards. They also fail humor forever.

Theres lots of situations where the anime could show contextually appropriate nudity, people are naked often in private setting, showering, changing clothes, sex.
Problem is when the shows cant be made for adults and only adults. you need this confusing tv friendly sexyness so the 13y old jap kids can also watch it.
If the anime industry could afford making actual nudity, nipples and intimate scenes there would be less of this tropey shit no one benefits from.

>>141239737
...hentai you mean?

>>141239696
i agree

>>141239622
>>141239637
I like watching stories from the perspectives of people who are unlike myself. I also like stories that aren't necessarily tailored specifically to my tastes. If all stories are tailored toward men, you end up with a lack of variety.

>>141239693
>>141239719
I don't have a problem with things tailored toward men either. Pretty much all good romcoms have elements of both male and female perspectives.

>>141239757
HBO is the most popular TV show creator atm, what if anime industry copied their shows?
OFC by jap standards its then hentai but by western standards it'd be tv show aimed at adults.

>>141239786
Just read some shoujo
Or shows aimed at actual little girls

>>141239786
>If all stories are tailored toward men, you end up with a lack of variety.

>all men are the same

>>141239786
I'm trying and failing to understand how wanting things to be less aimed at your tastes is even a coherent concept.

>>141239845
Ah I see what you mean, basically if there were a Seinen anime channel?
Is the Seinen audience anywhere close to large enough though?

>>141239927
no

>>141239794
I don't want scenes where girls have 2 strands of hair glued to their breasts. It's just sad.

>>141239847
I have done both and enjoyed both.

>>141239872
I'm not saying that either.

>>141239888
I'm aware, I don't think it's really that big of a problem, I'm just explaining what the term means and why people subscribe to it.

>>141239924
Because I don't know everything I could like.

>>141239981
>Because I don't know everything I could like
That just means you don't know your own tastes.

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Mindless fun and fanservice go hand-in-hand. Nothing wrong with them at all unless you insist on only watching mature anime for mature MAL reviewers such as yourself.

>>141239927
>I don't know what seinen is
Every time.

>>141239986
Why isnt there comparable market for HBO style shows as there is in the west? Doesnt make sense.

>>141239737
Japanese broadcast standards are a blessing in disguise. Having nudity and sex all over the place would only be detrimental.

>tropey shit
Literally everything is a trope.

>>141240070
Maybe the Japanese aren't depressed self-loathing fucks like people who watch HBO shows.

>>141240025
>That just means you don't know your own tastes.
Nobody fully understands their tastes, and it's always good to be open to new things.

>>141240070
Anime isn't live-action, anon. How's the market for HBO-style cartoons in the West?

>>141240070
This might shock you but japan isn't full of americans

>>141240068
I don't think there's a better word for adult anime even if seinen technically doesn't refer to that.

>>141240168
The phrase would be "mature content" or something similar, but of course you don't want to use that because you know it'd make you look silly.

>>141240168
Consider that the K-On manga is seinen.

>>141240052
>shitting up /a/
This threads existence is shitting up /a/, might as well do a bit of education in the meantime.

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>>141220853
>m-muh fanservice
Grow up kids, not everyone is mentally 14 yo horny kids like you

>>141240260
urgh

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>>141240291
>haha everyone who likes sexy girls is a horny 14 year old
t. 15 year old

>>141237578
Because they are. Women are shallow creatures and the only interesting thing about them is the wet hole between their legs.

>>141240338
Whether you agree or not isn't the point, I'm just explaining what the term actually means.

>>141240070
>Why isn't every culture the same? It doesn't make sense.

>>141240135
>>141240218
if 30 somethings watch late night HBO shows in west what do 30 something japs watch?
Surely the market for entertainment aimed at adults is huge in japan.

>>141240408
They don't watch anime in the first place you dumb fuck
They do have other shows on tv that aren't anime

>>141240408Nips in their 30's don't watch anything. They're too busy getting 5 hours of sleep before going to work again.

>>141239137
the fact that you didn't even mention that she was already wearing a skin tight suit with balloon tits proves that putting tits everywhere doesn't run shit.

>>141240366
off to /r9k/ with you.

>>141240592
I'm not talking about all 2D women, nerd.

>>141240408
Live-action. Something called Shitamachi rocket was apparently really popular last year.

>>141240532
Yeah cause I never argued that the tits themselves ruin anything but that bad directing often chooses to spam fanservice.
>>141240621
It's the same with dudes though, the only difference between male MCs and female MCs in theory is which gender they're with.
>>141240643
Why the fuck are you talking about 3D women on /a/ if it's not a post about how you fucked your sister?

>>141240592
Could also be /pol/, they're basically the same regarding women.

>>141240446
>>141240484
>>141240503
Men aged 30-39 constituted 36.7% of male Comiket circle organizers in 2009. 40 and above constituted 9.8%

>>141240673
What are you even talking about?
>>141240693
Don't forget about /v/ and /fit/. Can't have any slut- or bodyshamers on your /a/, right?

>>141240711
>talking about 3D women
>on /a/
It doesn't matter if it's true or not and it isn't because at the very least you missed their tits.
>>141240722
>I'm not talking about all 2D women, nerd

>>141240722
We don't concern ourselves with 3d, doesn't mean there aren't any flatchest vs cowtits or whatever threads.

>>141240722
>Can't have any slut- or bodyshamers on your /a/, right
You can though, just not against 3DPD because you shouldn't even be talking about those. You have >[x] is a slut threads all the time.

>>141240756
I said not all 2D women are whores but did I ever imply that this was the case for 3D women? No I didn't, so kindly go away.

>>141240819
>I said not all 2D women are whores but did I ever imply that this was the case for 3D women? No I didn't, so kindly go away.
What the fuck are YOU talking about?
>Because they are. Women are shallow creatures and the only interesting thing about them is the wet hole between their legs.
If you meant 2D then that's not true and also irrelevant since you can write them however, if you meant 3D fuck off to /r9k/ or /soc/ or whatever to discuss 3DPD.

>>141240819
>NEET weeb refers to his doting mother as a whore
What would she think if she looked over your shoulder?

Do people in Japan ever complain about fan service or alienating fan bases or anything?

If they don't then I don't get why people complain, the genre isn't marketed towards anyone but people in Japan. I don't think any shows made in NA are made in mind for foreign audiences either

>>141240798
Moving the goalposts and stereotyping. You're a real winner.

>>141240892
>Do people in Japan ever complain about fan service or alienating fan bases or anything?
No.

>>141240940
>wild speculation
>which is why I'll diss my mom because /r9k/ tells me all women are cockorbiting walking pussies who avoid me and me alone
Truly epic, inb4 projection.

>>141240866
Can't I talk about anime women without some 2-dimensional feminist attacking my post?
>>141240889
Did I ever call 3D women whores? My original post was obviously about 2D women. Only someone from tumblr could take offense to that.
>>141240940
Actually, I don't even know nor do I care. I don't live in the USA and we don't have many niggers around these parts.

>>141240984
What the fuck is going on.

>>141240981
You moving goalposts:
>The kind of men who go to comiket aren't the same kind of men working a full-time job or multiple part-time jobs.

And stereotyping:
>They are the kind of guys who work one job to be able to pay the rent of their one room appartment and buy food and use the rest on animu shit.

>>141241065
Only niggers can ruin a women.
>>141241039
I don't know myself.

>>141240984
>Can't I talk about anime women without some 2-dimensional feminist attacking my post?
You can though, but people are telling you that it's some /r9k/ tier bullshit, and if you weren't just meming and actually meant it it's obviously false.
>Because they are. Women are shallow creatures and the only interesting thing about them is the wet hole between their legs.
This sort of shit doesn't even make sense applied to 2D women, since you can literally give them whatever fucking personality and backstory you want. They're made up.
>>141241099
I don't know either. Am I talking to three different posters in the same reply chain or some shit?

>>141238231
>literally made-up wishy-washy tumblrite bullshit
FTFY. Unless you're literally retarded enough to think that all males have the exact same opinions and outlook.

>>141241112
Yeah and that's purely anecdotal evidence, all that proves or even provides evidence for is that at least one person who buys degenerate shit fits that description.
Now I'm sure there's a lot of them, but you don't just cut out entire groups of people because you seem to think that your own case is representative.

>>141241112
>I'm part of em;
Oh so you're just projecting.

>>141241166
Their reputation can't get any worse either way.

>>141223848
>>141223848
Too often are "mature themes" used as a stand-in for quality.

>>141241197
Holy shit, an actual proper use of the word "projecting."

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This thread is fucking shit.

>>141241225
This too
They also seem to attract massive numbers of fans that defend it to the death (like Kerryfags)
>>141241232
That's not what the case is though. It's that you know personally one (1) dude out of the thousands that go to comiket and that one dude has a shit job and shit life and therefore think that you can generalize this to everyone who goes to comiket.

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>>141241265
no u

>>141241295
That and another idiot refusing to accept that anime isn't for the typical adult that's part of normal society.

>>141241255
At least we get to hang out with friends.

>>141241295
It has nothing to do with you calling 2d women whores and everything to do with you doing so for no valid reason and when its completely fucking wrong.
You didn't give any names of specific whores, you just generalized and said that they are in general good for nothing but their bagina when that doesn't even add to the discussion besides being obvious bait
If they're actually just whores, then they're usually written poorly (which was the original point anyway).

>>141241464
>you are not allowed to ever contradict me or even try for your own viewpoint that isn't in agreement with mine or you're just an offended little bitch
Why do I even fucking bother

>>141241355
>otaku are all depressed NEET failures!
I love this meme.

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>>141241414
You need to calm down, friendo. Do you realize you're getting mad about anime? I think you need to reevaluate your priorities in life, buddy. It's not even just one anime you're complaining about, it's the whore- I mean whole concept.

Go take your valium and you ritalin or whatever meds schizophrenics take and go take a shower.

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Explain to me how police girl fan service ruined hellsing without coming out of the closet

>>141241556
Well meme'd, sir.

>>141220853
Trigger has kind of given up already though, both their shows this season are extremely normalfagcore.
But you're right, seeing people cry about how anime needs to "have more substance", "be more mature", or how "the industry is dying" because of fanservice always makes me laugh. I'm glad that these people will never have any say in what Japan does, they don't give a fuck about the west and they love doing what they do. I'm glad I'm able to enjoy anime.

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>>141241515
I'd say at least a good half of them are, mostly because the social stigma that comes with being one either forces you into NEEThood or makes you let go of it to prevent NEEThood or just shaming by regulars.
>>141241544
I ain't mad, I'm just extremely fucking confused as to whether or not you're baiting because I can't even find a counterpoint that you made.

>>141241512
Who are you quoting?

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>>141241664
What a meme

>>141220853
You could have cute moe girls in a gardening anime jerking off cucumbers and spraying eachother with the hose and thatd be totally fine as long as they have a 5th grade understanding of male anatomy and no sex drive beyond potential subtle yuri lust.

>>141241634
There's no counterpoint because I'm right and you're an idiot.

>>141241634
>social stigma
So stigmatic that Love Live: The Movie was the 8th most popular movie last year and the series has been used to advertise family restaurants, chewing gums and tourism, and has had a single advertised on the Yamanote Line.

>>141241734
Don't 5th graders usually know about the penis, if not through porn then through some sort of cursory sex ed

>>141241797
Let's be honest, having a dakimakura, tit mousepad or owning a pile of loli mindbreak doujins is probably not really the same as simple acceptance of anime and cursory recognition of the big icons.

>>141224568
Are you telling me that if we get rid of generals we would have the board filled with this kind of threads? It's time to embrace the generals.

>>141241797
Oh, and also:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-16/could-love-live-make-an-appearance-at-the-tokyo-olympics/.101077
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-11-21/newspaper-love-live-idols-nogizaka46-to-sing-at-new-year-kohaku-battle/.95655

>>141241869
Love Live is a late night anime series about school idols, not Lupin III or Doraemon.

And just because you have "loli mindbreak doujins" (I guess doujinshi just HAS to be weird, right) doesn't mean you can't be a normal member of society.

>>141241880
My point is that this massive "social stigma" that Westerners keep going on and on about doesn't exist.

>>141241880
>Masterchief on Doritos bags here in the west.
really?

>>141242028
>And just because you have "loli mindbreak doujins" (I guess doujinshi just HAS to be weird, right) doesn't mean you can't be a normal member of society.
Yeah, that's right - you CAN. That's why I estimated roughly half, not every single one of them
>My point is that this massive "social stigma" that Westerners keep going on and on about doesn't exist.
Are you sure? Doesn't the word 'otaku' carry a pretty negative connotation in and of itself in nipponland?

>>141241876
You can make whatever thread you want about whatever topic. How could some one be pro-general and anti-threads?

Why do Americans always act so surprised when they learn that other countries have different moral values than theirs?

>>141242091
>Are you sure? Doesn't the word 'otaku' carry a pretty negative connotation in and of itself in nipponland?
The word 'otaku' has like a million different contextual meanings that don't necessarily have to do with anime at all. It's basically just 'geek.'

>>141242150
>doritos redbull
i dont think normal people eat that junk

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>>141234460
Exactly. This guy gets it.

>>141242267
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>141242298
it seems like the kind of garbage neck beards consume

>>141242091
>Yeah, that's right - you CAN. That's why I estimated roughly half, not every single one of them
What is this estimation even based on?

>Are you sure?
Yes. Did you read any of the things I just said about Love Live?

Also:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-02-14/oreimo-kirino-drums-up-voters-for-japan-election/.98628
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/02/01/are-you-otaku-roughly-40-percent-of-japanese-college-students-say-yes/
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2016-04-30/girls-and-panzer-film-earns-over-1.9-billion-yen/.101476
https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2016/04/27/evangelion-credit-cards-a-must-have-for-otaku/
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-01/hatsune-miku-song-ranks-top-choice-for-high-school-graduation-theme/.99274
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-04/watamote-tomoko-goes-out-to-the-ball-game-to-support-the-chiba-lotte-marines/.99409
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-03/simpson-motorcycle-helmets-are-latest-to-collab-with-bakuon-anime/.99323


>Doesn't the word 'otaku' carry a pretty negative connotation in and of itself in nipponland?
Things change. Do you think "geek culture," video games and computers were always popular and socially acceptable in America?

>270 replies
>not a single example of jarring fanservice
>Numerous counter examples of good fanservice
>All hypothetical triggerings

>>141242374
>Things change. Do you think "geek culture," video games and computers were always popular and socially acceptable in America?
im pretty sure nerds are just as reviled as ever here, just the definition of nerd changed.

>>141242425
pretty much, it use to mean someone with an obsession with an esoteric hobby to the point of a being a social pariah, now it kind of just means someone with mild intrests in "nerdy" stuff.

>>141242425
This. Now the term gamer includes people who play mobage as well and comic book nerds include people who read some Iron Man or Batman comics because of the movies and will move on to the next new trend in couple of years' time.

Those nerds as in the ones who are really into the hobbies and consume a shit lot of the works from the hobbies? Still viewed as losers if you're an adult.

>>141242425
> Do you think "geek culture," video games and computers were always popular and socially acceptable in America?
those that were called geeks back then are called autists now and those that were called hipsters then are called geeks now,
in the grand scheme of things nothing has really changed.

>>141242577
>calling others pathetic on 4chan

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>>141242374
>implying they aren't filthy casuals looking for cheap 'alternative' entertainment to amuse them for the short term before finding a new stuff to latch on to.

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>>141234460

You're so right I'm impressed.

>>141242445
They do love mascots:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-03-19/crowdfunding-secured-for-anime-short-on-kyoto-subway-girls/.99981

But having mascots or similar characters doesn't necessitate doing collabs with OreImo, Watamote and Love Live.

Also here's two more:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-07/university-professor-uses-bakemonogatari-in-japanese-literature-class/.100779
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-12-01/hello-kitty-cafe-teams-up-with-monogatari-series/.81627

>>141242550
The point is that comic book and fantasy stuff, video games, computers, programming etc. are now socially acceptable and fashionable in America. In the same way, "otaku" stuff has become more and more acceptable in Japan. Because things change.

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this thread is fucking shit and everyone of you is a fucking idiot.

>>141242693
Maybe the anime did, but the manga is still on-going.

>>141242267
every wageslave and teenager drink redbull and eat doritos. you can't fucking get away from them.

>>141234460
/thread

>>141241136
No, but males are different from females. And are more likely to be attracted to women than females

>>141238379
But that would mean CR and others actually does support the industry and /a/ told me they only give pennies to the creators.

>>141242817
>japs all love anime and don't put any stigma on people who watch it
I don't think anyone said this.

There's also Americans who look down on cape movies and video games and whatnot.

>>141242550
"Autist" is not in common usage, anon.

>>141243090
autists, losers, creeps ect...

>>141243091
Comiket sells a lot of shit, not just "mindbreak loli doujins."

>>141220853
Weebs are fucking autistic and can't fucking see how horny and pathetic they look about fanservice.

It's not just MURRIKA, even in Japan anime nerds are seen as retards too.

>>141243293
>pedo music
The what?

>the super niche doujin games, the touhou remixes
Touhou alone is so big that it has its own yearly convention with I think 50K circles.

>>141243352
See:
>>141241797
>>141242028
>>141242374
>>141242630

>>141243420
Ask a japanese about it, they'll probably say they wish it was about something less cutesy/more mature and that Japan is seen as a childish country.

>>141243478
Ask them about what?

>>141243489
>>141243503
That's denpa music and has nothing to do with pedophilia.

>>141243606
If you showed normies Korean, Japanese and Chinese writing they would probably not be able to tell which is which. Doesn't mean they're now all the same language.

>>141243671
Of what?

>>141243606
So why are you calling it that as well? If you were trying to hide the fact that you're a huge normalfag I'm afraid you blew your cover pretty hard.

>>141243679
korean is actually pretty diffrent from the other two im sure they could tell.

>>141243707
That's not the point you dense motherfucker.

You're saying that denpa music is "pedo music" just because some normie doesn't know what he's talking about. Well by that same logic Korean, Japanese and Chinese must all be the same language if people can't tell them apart.

>>141243742
What is retarded about it?

>>141243789
>>141243867
It has nothing to do with pedophilia.

I just had to check my address bar to make sure I'm actually on /a/.

>>141243978
Then explain what denpa music has to do with pedophilia.

>>141244016
Those shows aren't related to pedophilia either.

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>>141239030
Touma is a god though anon. He makes Railgun exponentially better when he shows up.

>I can't focus on a show if there are tits
Most people aren't hooked onto a show unless there are tits.
There are so many good shows out there that hooked using tits and turned out to be amazing. Prison school for example.

I mean think about. I care for a character ten times more if they are cute than otherwise. A lot of shows use that as a way to fuck you over when they kill the girls like akame ga kill.

>>141244074
Why?

>>141244082
How am I trolling?

Is this really what /a/ has become?

>>141220853
Source?

>>141220853
Anyone going to post sauce on OP?

>>141244179
What?

Still waiting for someone to explain the connection been denpa and pedophilia by the way.

>>141244294

>>141220853
The only time i dislike fanservice is when its lew of something interesting happening. I can go anywhere for the MC walking in on a bunch of naked/undressing chicks, but my time is not infinite and I want to be entertained. I'd rather watch Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? than shitty harem ecchi anime number 5.