Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1523

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>>140778878
excnn.com

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お腹ペコペコ　おにいちゃん

どんな食い物が来るんだろう

外人の肉で作ったベーコンが食べたい

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGoMUWz5rE

しこり亭

How do I shove descriptive frequency words into a sentence? If I wanted to say I usually wake up at 9am on a Saturday:

私は土曜日たいてい午前九時に起きます

Is that at all appropriate?

>>140780496
土曜日はたいてい９時に起きるぞい

>>140779711
>お腹ペコペコ　おにいちゃん
食物は、俺のチンポだけがある
お兄ちゃんのチンポはいいですか？

For a moment there, I thought I had a grasp of when onyomi is used. But then the reading isn't even consistent with two vocab that follow the same pattern. I can't learn Japanese.

>>140781142
>systemizing readings
you asked for this

>>140781142
I'm 5400 words in and I couldn't tell you a single onyomi with certainty.

>>140781142
Aaaahhh, kanji, my favorite topic. With a language like Chinese, it actually makes sense! Kanji is great as long as you don’t totally f***k them up like the Japanese did.

I think a small number of characters have maybe a max of 2 readings. Even then, it’s because it means something completely different like 觉, which is “jiào” when it means “to sleep” and “jué” when it means “to think”. Let’s compare that to Japanese, which for instance has like a million readings for 「生」. What the hell, 「なま」 doesn’t even originate from Chinese! Why the heck do you write it with a Chinese character?!

Chinese is so much simpler that it wins hands down over Japanese here. It’s not even a contest. The only beef I have with Chinese is simplified, traditional, blah blah, blah… just pick one! Don’t make me have to learn both! The Japanese government can successfully mandate a new set of characters and they don’t even have a real army. Why can’t you?

今回の旅は2日泊3日弾丸風の旅になりましたが、東部の国立公園も
いいなーという感想で締めくくりたいと思います.

"This time was a short 2 day 3 night trip but, I wanted to end it thinking that the east's national parks were good too. "

End what? End the trip?

>>140781604
end yourself

>>140781484
>Let’s compare that to Japanese, which for instance has like a million readings for 「生」
音
せい、しょう
訓
い、は、う、お、なま、き、うぶ
Big deal.
There are only like a dozen kanji with this many readings. It isn't remotely as big of a deal as you make it out to be.

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>>140779506
Up to the Intermediate section of the DoJG Anki deck. Feels pretty good.

>>140779609
お団子 あかり is best あかり.

>>140779711
I usually ignore these posts but this is the first time I've ever read it.
Why do you post this shit? General rule: if you'd feel stupid posting it in English, don't post it in Japanese.

>>140782280
>as you make it out to be
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2006/07/20/which-is-harder-japanese-or-chinese/

Ugh, I wish being gay didn't make reading so many highly praised VNs boring as all fuck.

>>140783154
you are going to hell

>>140783154
Isn't there highly praised fujoshit?

>>140783355
Sort of, there's just not nearly as much variety.

>>140782761
He's right about
>There are only like a dozen kanji with this many readings. It isn't remotely as big of a deal as you make it out to be.

It's the jump from 1 to 2 readings that makes Japanese significantly harder. Like, the jump from 1 to 2 is as much of a difficulty leap as from 2 to 12

>>140783461
The only point I was trying to make by quoting that blog post was that kanji is a bit of a clusterfuck since it wasn't created for the Japanese language. When you know how kanji (hanzi) works in Chinese, you realise just how fucked up its use in Japanese is in comparison.

Basically, I was trying to dispel that guy's idea that kanji readings weren't making sense to him because of some deficiency on his part.

>>140782761
Why are you quoting Kim as though he is some sort of authority on kanji? He is an amateur who wrote a decent free introductory grammar guide.

Use your own words if you have any.

>>140783806
>kanji is a bit of a clusterfuck since it wasn't created for the Japanese language
And "Chinese" isn't one set of characters, they also have varied influence from different dynasties over time and not only that the readings for hanzi can vary from dialect to dialect, and there are thousands of them in mainland China alone.

>When you know how kanji (hanzi) works in Chinese, you realise just how fucked up its use in Japanese is in comparison.
Yes, and when you know more about how characters are used in China, you'll feel glad that you're learning Japanese and not a Chinese language. At least readings in Japanese are consistent over the nation and don't dynamically change from ward to ward.

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おはようおにいちゃん

そうじきかけるから、へやかたづけて

>>140784205
めんどうくさいからやりたくない

>>140784205
いいえ、いもうとめ！
俺の小便瓶集はゴミじゃないよ！

>>140784205
あたしの部屋はいつも綺麗よ
掃除しなくても女子パワーが綺麗にするの

Since school started a month ago, I've been doing the bare minimum of just doing core reps, and everything went to trash.
Retention has been total shit, and I'm even fucking up on what should be easy/mature cards.
I need to make time for reading, this is a very slippery slope to 出来ない

>>140785345
lol yeah できない haha it's a slippery slope to that smug bitch はは

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>>140784272
はやくかたづけないとおしおきするよ

>>140784351
からのペットボトルをとっておくのはやめて

>>140785318
おねえちゃん
クローゼットのなかもそうじしてね

I'm ちょっと glad that there's trolls, baiters (?) and false flaggers here because otherwise the thread would be very 真面目 and become a place I can't fully wakarimasu lol. desu.

>>140785810
I agree btw kekd and lold so hard while reading your post and I'm glad I can wakaru it

>>140782466
通常のルール：　そんなルールあるわけないやん

やりたいことをやれや

彼らの心無い言葉なんて気にしな

>>140783154
i dont think being gay has anything to do with it thats just objectively what they are dude

>>140784205
ボクを片付けてくれよ

>>140785810
hey dude ixnay on the memesayyyy lmao

>>140782466
Clearly he doesn't hesitate to post stupid shit in English either

いつもお世話になっております
アノンです。

このたびは、大変結構なごポストをご恵贈いただきまして、
誠にありがとうございました。

板員一同で喜び、とても興味深くいただきました。
温かいお心遣いに、一同感謝申し上げております。

来年度も、相変わらぬお付き合いのほど、
どうぞよろしくお願い申し上げます。
寒さ厳しき折、皆様くれぐれもご自愛くださいませ。

恐縮ですが、まずはポストにて、御礼申し上げます。

>>140787920
そうですか

sorry if this is a stupid question but anki options confuse the heck out of me, is there a recommended set of options for the core 2k deck? like new cards per day and what not?

>>140789580
5-10 cards

>>140789620
ty anon

>>140789580
Change the "maximum reviews/day" to something large like 500-1000.
Start off with like 20 cards per day, and adjust it depending on how much free time you have - raise it if you have more time, and lower it if anki is taking too long.
Set leeches to mark only instead of automatically suspending them.

Everything else can and should be left default.

>>140789683
thanks, i think i'll do this, got a lot of free time at the moment so 20 cards a day should be fine.

>>140788373
why is this 'ganbaruzoi' rather than 'ganbaruzo'?

I'm too fucking dumb to learn Japanese

>>140789882
Atleast you aren't dumb enough to think you can learn Japanese

>>140789857
It's a question that has plagued Japanese scholars for millennia. This image was originally found on a solid sheet of titanium 50 feet tall, written in a language that hadn't even been invented yet.

Unfortunately, it seems we will never understand what the ancient civilization that created such an object meant by "zoi". Today, the image has been faithfully recreated online from highly detailed scans of the tablet's surface, and is usually posted simply to illicit confusion.

Truly, Japanese is the most complex of languages.

>>140789964
slow day huh

so how does everyone grind out words with core2k? do they take notes of the words and examples given or do they just repeatedly view the cards until it sinks in?

>>140790134
Yeah sure I write it down like 10 times my review sessions only take about 3-4 hours to complete

>>140790192
i mean for the learning part not the review part

>>140790134
Independent of the core2k deck you should be learning Kanji. It gets much easier to learn and recognize vocab when you understand the Kanji that comprise it independently.

>>140790334
That's not true you don't even need kanjis and hiragana just learn the vocabs

>>140790422
You don't need them but knowing the kana and kanji make recollection much quicker and easier.

>>140790438
That's just not true I know all the vocab and don't know a single kanji. Go jerk off to your RTK...

>>140790334
so do you think i should just be attempting to absorb both the information in core2k while independently learning kanji until it gets easier?

>>140790474
No, kanji is literally useless just like the kana make sure to learn vocab and mimic the sounds and you will just guess the kanjis by their shape.

>>140790470
You would have memorized your vocab more quickly and be able to more quickly assimilate new vocab if you understood Kanji.

>>140790474
The initial cards in core2k are pretty easy. Just work on both at your own pace and they'll reinforce each other.

>>140790553
okay, thank you!

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にんげんのかちはなにできまるの

>>140790585
面白さレベル

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What settings for new interval do you use? 0%? I got new interval 40% but I'm not sure if changing it would be good since the reviews would increase a lot. That being said with an interval mod. of 100% this should be ok right?
Any thoughts?

>>140790585
ジャップ野郎
俺のちんぽ吸いたい？

Man I'm so sick of anki, it has its benefits because you get to see words way more often and I appreciate that it exists, but I feel like it could be done so much better somehow

Seeing vocab out of context just seems so pointless, context is such a huge component of any language, especially Japanese, and just going through hundreds of cards with one word on the front just doesn't seem like the best way to go about doing things

It just seems like an unrealistic approach to learning vocab, it's hardly relevant to being exposed to the actual language and just ends up making me feel like I know less than I actually do

>>140791695
What does it change?

>>140791772
Read the anki guide

>>140791788
Can't be bothered to do that lol

>>140791755
The core2k deck includes examples of the word being used in context with every card. Ideally you'd be learning by reading books (or games or whatever) that's proven to have the best retention. But anki works nicely as a supplement I think.

>>140791856
Those examples are on the back though, the front is still just the word

The problem I find is there are just so many times where I'll see a word on the front of an anki card and struggle really hard with it, often getting it wrong, but if I were to see that same word in context it would pop into my head without batting an eye

>>140791893
I guess, being able to recall a word without being prompted by context is a good skill to have though. Even if you're iffy about picking the word 100% of the time from the front of a card you should be able to recognise it when you're reading something.

>>140791893
Sounds like you really need to start assosciating kanji with the readings that go with them. I guess you're also using someone else's deck instead of mining your own. You'll have a much better time with anki if you use it to retain knowledge, not to introduce new knowledge

>>140792051
No, Kanji are not connected to vocab in any way they are separate things and you don't need Kanji.

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>>140791893
This is how my anki looks.
Maybe choose a different deck or change yours?

>>140792077
Yes all you need is Romanjis

>>140791920
I do have a really hard time with understanding shit outside of context in general, like if I start reading something in the middle of a conversation I'll have no idea what's going on, I guess it's more of a me problem

>>140792051
I have spent a couple of months doing a jouyou kanji deck to completion before but I'm still pretty bad at remembering onyomi, and nah I've been mining all my vocab for years

>>140792090
If you do that you start associating the sentence with the answer though instead of just the word

my akebi app just stopped working for no reason
is there a better option out there?

>>140792196
>I have spent a couple of months doing a jouyou kanji deck to completion before but I'm still pretty bad at remembering onyomi
I didn't mean that you should do a seperate deck for readings, I meant that when you learn a word like 禁忌 you need to realize that you just learned 2 onyomi aswell and you need to capitalize on that.
You will also notice connections between certain radicals and readings which will make vocabulary even easier to remember.
For example 忌 キ 記 キ 起 キ

>>140792196
>>140792196
I only read the sentence when I'm not sure about the context.

Reading it always would take too much time.

>>140792382
禁忌
近畿
キンキ（魚：煮付けにする。スシにはつかわない）

So I have to learn the onyomi and kunyomi?

>>140792527
You don't have to learn anything. But knowing all the readings of a Kanji is helpful.

For some reason my mining deck got 0 reviews today, only new cards. Anyone know why?

Bluebottle, congratulations opening in Japan.
Same taste, I used to drink in west coast.
For me, there is nothing freshness that would be proof of success
I think so.

>>140792635
ブルーボトル日本開店おめでとう。
西海岸で飲む、いつもの味。
僕にとって新鮮みがないことが、成功の証だと思う。

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>陽菜は先生を不当に非難して、先生が病気になった。

How long would it take to only learn grammar?
I can transcribe everything into romanji with VNReader, so I'm planning to skip the kana, gana and kanji.

>>140794397
www

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>>140794407
2 weeks.

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>>140794407

Is this an anime thread or a Japanese thread?

>>140794585
why not both

>>140794585
Neither

It's a shitposting thread

>>140794618
Because these two things are mutually exclusive.
>>140794630
Naruhodo...

>>140794709
hehe

What if you change a verb first to passive and then to causative? Would 食べられさせてください end up meaning "please, let me be eaten"? Have you ever come across such a wording?

>>140794752
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/causepass
Bottom of the page.

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Literally me.

>>140794872
Do you want to become a 日本人 and a 先生 or a 日本語の先生?

>>140794816
That's the opposite of what I asked about, though.

>>140795125
It's the first one you were correct in your first post

>>140795125
>The important thing to remember is the order of conjugation. The verb is first conjugated to the causative and then passive, never the other way around.

How much vocabulary should I know before I start reading? Or should I literally just pick up a book and define word by word?

My family just found out I'm learning Japanese.

>>140795300
I would go through core2k at least, or maybe an elementary course like Genki.
The most common 1000 or 2000 words would probably make up half of all the words in a text.

>>140795300
About 8-10k words, don't start before that.

>>140795326
Was it incredibly cringey

Is there a grammar book where they explain なんだけど in a good way?
Or should I just translate it as 'speaking about...' or something like this?

>>140795515
I don't quite get you.

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Why does しませう sound so adorable

>>140795580
Nobody has ever said that gibberish in the history of the world, kill yourself.

>>140795382
>>140795405
Alright, how do you guys retain vocabulary? Do you just continuously grind it or is there some type of way to help remember easier?

>>140795580
It doesn't and your question contains a logical fallacy that would not be allowed at debates.

>>140795699
Anki.

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>>140795688
一緒に自殺しませう

>>140795699
Yeah there is, I'll give you a few hints - it has Japanese voices, you probably already watch it, there are a lot of cats and maids there.

>>140794899
日本人は先生もなる

... Also, is this remotely grammatically correct?
I'm still going through Tae Kim.

>>140795859
What you wrote means Japanese people become teachers too.

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>>140795971
Dammit.

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ぞい子を妊婦にしたい。

What's the best 左翼過激ネオ無政府主義 podcast out there? In Japanese of course.

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send help. i've left it open for 5 days now

>>140795971
That would be 日本人も先生になる。What he wrote doesn't make sense.

>>140796044
Why worry about production dude? Lemme give you the truth, you won't be able to fluently produce correct sentences for months and years. You have to read and listen a lot to get used to sentence structure and vocabulary, there's no chance of writing meaningfully correct sentences as a beginner.

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>>140796573
That shouldn't take more than an hour.

>>140796605
The に is missing, but I meant that it's closest to 日本人は先生にもなる
Japanese become teachers too (among becoming other things).

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>moege briefly shows history teaching history
>inundated with unknown historical figures and terminology.
My ignorance has once again been reminded.
However, this shows how language learning can be fun. I looked up some word and ended up reading about 戦国時代 for like four hours.

>>140796653
Good god man

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>>140796653
ホーリ・シット

>>140796573
Just split it into 4 and that's nothing

>>140796734
>>140796763
That's what happens when you stop studying for two months and don't do your reps.

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3 months in: "I can't wait to be on the right side"
6 months in: "Haha I can sorta relate but both are hard"
10-16 months in: "Holy shit, so true."
16-24 months in: "W-why do I still relate to this? Aren't I getting better?"
24+ months in: "When will this hell end?!"

>>140796690
>game starts talking about The Kingdoms era Chinese names
That's when I stop giving a fuck and switch to full mouseover-text hooker mode.

>>140796839
I don't use a text hooker so I have no relief

>>140796838
T-that's t-true lmao

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これを読めるはずでしょ？

>>140796904
結構安いんだね

>>140796904
What does that last ?股 word say? I can't be assed to go on Jisho

>>140797029
猫股

How do nips differentiate between feet and legs?
Breaking a bone in your foot and breaking your leg are two different things, but both would be 「足の骨を折りました」in japanese.
Or does nipponese just not give a shit?

>>140797152
Damn what a deal

>>140796904
That's a man's ass, by the way.

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>>140797238
The Japanese language doesn't just consist of Core vocab

>>140797422
But those are medical terms that one one uses.

>>140797422
I am aware that there are medical terms but I doubt a guy is going to shout "AAH, I BROKE MY FIBULAR" when falling down stairs.

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>>140796967
これは大丈夫じゃない！

めっちゃエロいですけど。

Is it still ふつか if I want to say 2 days instead of the second (of the month)?

>>140797238
>>140797422
すね is often used for leg, that's a common term not a medical.

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>switch to mining deck a couple months ago
>retention drops since I keep adding words I have trouble with and no padding with easy words like in Core
頑張ります

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>>140797687

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>>140797503
>同性愛者一号：あああああっ！足の骨が折れた！！
>同性愛者二号：足のどこに？！
>同性愛者一号：ここ！*指で指す*

…と想像した

Is 気温 and 温度 interchangeable?

>>140798198
Do you think atmospheric temperature and temperature are the same thing?

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it's been a long journey. damn.

>>140798453
Can you read?

>>140796573
My daily reps are more than that, just do it.

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How does /djt/ feel about girls who use 俺?

>>140798568
of course

>>140798568
No, I spent all my time doing anki. As a result, I cannot read any Japanese at all :'(

>>140798607
It's great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4izWBHUstw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GplwkrLGsUk

>>140798453
Nice.

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>>140798607
超レズ、それとも、性同一性障害がある。

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>he rigorously follows the stroke order

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I think this is the best place to ask, and I don't wanna make a seperate thread for this, but how do I into the translating/subbing scene?
I feel like translating some mangos and animus would be great practice, and I would enjoy doing it.
How does one get into the "scene"? just start doing a series no major group picked up yet, and keep doing it ?

>>140798843
>性同一性障害
That's a funny word. Is it identical to "gender dysphoria", or does it mean something slightly different?

>>140799036
First you have to get N1.

>>140799036
Translate something, release it, and step on as many dramaqueens' feet as possible

The scanlation thread will tell you otherwise but this is the only path

>>140799084
This is honestly what I'm most afraid of, cliques and shit. Not because I'm afraid of muh cyberbully muh harrassment, but that my releases would go unnoticed, or if a bigger team picks it up, it was all pointless.
Also, I don't know shit about photoshop, but I guess that's the least of my concerns

>>140799165
I've never done it, but I imagine scanlating is about 10% translating and 90% Photoshop.

>>140799165
Typesetting is easy
Make a second layer, draw white over the original text
Adult the white level of the original image so that it's seamless with the white you drew on the second layer
Use a recent version of photoshop and add text with the text tool, you can use an arbitrary shape like a circle or ellipse

But no I wasn't joking or describing a fear when I said "step on as many peoples' toes as possible". It's actually something you have to go out and intentionally do. Otherwise nobody will notice your releases.

>>140799165
>my releases would go unnoticed, or if a bigger team picks it up, it was all pointless.
This happens all the time. And if you stop, no one will care and another group will pick it up like you never existed. Do it if you enjoy it but don't expect to get anything out of it, not even thanks, or you'll just hate it.

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>>140799036
あまり漫画を読まないけど、漫画を読む時、フロントページで「翻訳者を探しています、経験が必要」と書かれた

そのグループにイーメイルを送った方がいいんじゃないか？

>>140799165
Just translate VNs instead, guaranteed to get attention.

>>140799361
50% of the time those WANTED signs are just a way to get people in the scanlation community talking about the group
A remaining 40% of the time they were legit but are now out of date
A remaining 9% of the time when they're legit, but not out of date, the group's leader or typesetter or someone is a piece of shit and that's why they always need new translators

>>140799361
I haven't done it before, I wouldn't hire a completly new guy either, and besides, I wanna do it on my own first.

>>140799412
I don't know jack shit about ripping the text from vn's, and then putting them back though.

>>140799516
Then learn it? No one gets born with that knowledge.

>>140799575
But I haven't done any real translating before, commiting to do a VN would be too much at first man, not to mention, VN's are a lot more text heavy, it could take months or more. Gotta start small desu

>>140799036
Pick a desperate group with no standards, there are plenty.
https://chihiro-subs.com/
> Please be at least JLPT 2

>>140799701
>Dec 30, 2015
I'll check it out later anyway anon, thanks

>stop studying for like a month
>come back and do my reps
>600 cards in one bedtime and the following morning
nice

What if I told you that kanji is just random Chinese shit with no meaning?

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Yo guys, so I have around a year of experience on and off learning japanese, and I decided to scanlate a doujin. For the most part I can understand what's going on, but there are times when I come across a page and have no idea what they're saying. I know the words, but I can't connect the words to a coherent meaning. Anyways, here's a page where I was utterly confused. Can I get some help on the errors I know I for sure made?

>>140800616
you mean just like any other alphabet?

>>140800683
Not every other alphabet is a conspiracy that everyone agrees to uphold.

>>140800642
Yes the first one means "Desu ne" you got it wrong there buddy.
>>140800889
Yes, hanji is a giant conspiracy created by the Japanese government...

>>140800683
>alphabet
Please die.

>>140800959
it's just a really, really big alphabet

>>140799008
>he's dumb enough to think stroke order is hard to memorize or follow

>>140801011
I have a PH(D) in Ancient Japanese Lingustics of Kanji and I can say for sure that kanjis are not an alphabet.

>>140801131
>typical easy くそvn text with furigana
>It's so hard vns are Japanese!

>>140801166
I even said "basic Japanese", the lady doth protest too much, me thinks. I bet you had trouble with that, kyahaha.

>>140801246
kyahaha I can't read English or VN Japanese lmaお
Is that normal? I'm just guessing your posts I think you said something like "I tried to make a joke but it fell flat and now I'm trying to look smart" is that close to reality?
エロゲ・日本語・本当・文法

Why is Buddhist Temple one of the 2000 most common words?

>>140801382
Your ノリ is pretty shitty

>>140801412
Because it's a single kanji that pops up in other stuff

>>140801445
That's true, that kanji is used a lot.

But I thought core2k was based on word frequency, not kanji?

>>140800642
Why translate when you don't know Japanese? The top left for example is not a complicated sentence

>>140801412
This isn't a hard question anon.
Do you think Japan is full of mosques or something?

>>140801412
Why is church one of the X most common english words?

>>140801423
I can't understand this bastardization of Japanese, could you perhaps translate it into Japanese that's not straight from a VN page?

>>140801570
>VN
Oh. Comic books.

>>140801532
Funny, it's in the top 1000.

https://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:BNC_spoken_freq_01

>>140801532
Because America is one of the most religious developed countries on Earth, unlike Japan?

>>140801639
Japan is secular, but that doesn't mean it doesn't care about religion, anon. It just so happens that shinto and buddhism are very easy to contort around a secular lifestyle, unlike the delusion-enforcing monotheisms common in the western world.

What does this mean 「なんだったんだ 」?
I think my brain has been damaged because of this sentence.

>>140801711
何　だった　ん　だ？

>>140801678
And Buddhism isn't delusion-enforcing? Wanna have a debate with me bro? I'll let you know I've won over 95% of them, just saying.

>>140801711
whutwazzat?

Sugoi kimochi sandwhich chan

>>140801767
The fact that shinto-buddhism exists is self-explanatory.

>>140801739
And that just made everything even worse.
>>140801789
I don't understand 黒人英語「ニガー英語」「動物英語」

>>140801767
> I'll let you know I've won over 95% of them, just saying.
真っ先に屁理屈から始まる議論なんて興味ねえよ

>>140801824
America is also secular if you didn't know. What about shinto-buddhism isn't delusion-enforcing? It's like that by definition. Wanna have a debate?
>>140801870
+1 win, arigatou gozaimasu.

>>140801767
Buddhism:
>be chill
>believe it or don't, don't blindly accept Dogma
>respect other living things and shit
>in return you get reincarnated as some cool shit

Abrahamic religions:
>convert everyone, pray every day, never accept questioning of the holy doctrine
>otherwise you'll suffer for all eternity

Hmm

>>140801904
>America is also secular if you didn't know.
I didn't say anything to the contrary, anon. Try reading what I actually write, and not what you think I'm trying to imply.

>>140801964
No man knows what god knows. Our priests, messiahs, and institutions are false prophets. If god had a message for me, he wouldn't test me with the words and thoughts of fellow men. He shall speak to me directly, through no angel, through no priest, and through no words; In fact, I do so believe that he has done so already, and that I, myself, am done.

>>140801964
Reincarnations are a delusion. Debate over.
It's better than abrahamic religions, but saying that it doesn't enforce delusions is delusional.
>>140801970
Okay, but you still wanna have a debate right? I've won two already so I think another win would be great.

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>tfw Japanese is not mother tongue
wouldn't it'd be much easier you already knew Japanese then learn English?

>>140802102
>Okay, but you still wanna have a debate right? I've won two already so I think another win would be great.
Nah I just wanted to bring another possible perspective to something another anon said
Carry on my good fellow

>>140802121
Okay, if you wanna have a debate in the future on atheism of anything of that nature just write some stupid shit here and I will contact you shortly.

>>140802104
I'll just say 4 English letters - l m a o

>>140802102
I'll debate you in japanese, otherwise it's just shitposting.

>>140802104
Have you ever heard a Japanese person speaking English? They have one of the worst accents. It is way down there with Indian and British.

>>140802203
No that's just thinking the grass is greener on the other side. English is a much more desirable language than Japanese.

>>140802339
In the same vein english speakers sound pretty retarded speaking in japanese.

>>140802102
>Reincarnations are a delusion. Debate over.

Yeah, that is true, however...

>It's better than abrahamic religions, but saying that it doesn't enforce delusions is delusional.

It does NOT enforce delusions. Key word: enforce.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_in_Buddhism

>>140802342
That's probably the stupidest shit I've heard today you get a ゴールドメダル.

>>140801767
Buddhism (and Shinto) are actually pretty chill religions.

>>140802495
Pretty chill and killing babies for the possibility of a better reincarnation isn't the same in my book lmao

Daily religion thread come get your weekly worshiping in

>>140802339
I meant from learning and memorizing 2000+ kanji from the day you were first taught then transitioning in learning the english language, from complex to simple(-er?) in a way.

Anyways, I wouldn't even bother learning english if I already knew japanese.

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>>140801412
to give you a serious anwser instead of shiposting about religion: Monks.
Just like in the west, nip monks were scholars, healers, etc. aswell. They bread animals, translated, copied texts, they teached, so obviously this left it's mark in the language itself. Sometimes in funny ways, for example, the kanji for Hemmoroids, is 痔. It has two radicals, sickness, and buddhist temple. Get it? Monks sat a lot. Their ass got hurt.

>>140802668
English is probably harder for Japanese, than Japanese is for English. Only 26 letters, but every word is an exception and pronunciation is basically lawless.

Burn the 寺。

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>>140802753
>mfw

>>140802753
What's the Buddhist equivalent of allahu ackbar/ deus vult?

not anime

>>140802679
>bread animals
so that's where animal crackers came from.

>>140802804
Deus Vult and allahu ackbar are completly different anon.
万歳

>>140802900
Banzai isn't religious though, is it?

>>140783347
Fuck off, christfag.

This thread is very 面白い because of all the くそposts lol.

>>140779506
えっと、桜ちゃんはどこですか?

>>140803015
Originally used to praise the emperor, both in china and japan. Emperors are the descendants of the gods, heavenly mandate, etc. It's the closest I can think desu

>>140803086

in your butthole mate

>>140803086
>です
ペニス＋お前の尻＝良い

>>140803015
Another is かつ, which is shouted by monks when they are reaching some form of enlgithment . If you're really intrested, look up fighthing sects, like the Ikko.

>>140803086
Not here. Go to >>140794381 if you want a thread for your shit-tier waifu.

>>140801412
Yeah, really surprising the main place of worship for one of the two major religions the Japanese have would pop up often in their language.

>>140803318
>/a/
How about no? I don't want to contract autism.

>>140803387
You're both on /a/ and DJT right now. It is far too late to avoid contracting autism. Especially with how massively autistic the Sakura autist is.

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>>140803318
>>140803179
>>140803104

>>140803451
I'm not on /a/, this is DJT, not /a/. DJT is a haven created to halt the spread of autism to Japanese language learners.
I don't show any symptoms yet so I'm sure I haven't contracted the disease yet.

>>140803546
Judging by your posts it's pretty clear you've already contracted it, sorry. Also if you look at the URL and the top of the page you will indeed find that you ARE on /a/ right now.

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>>140803530
桜ちゃんはオレのものだぜ

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This isn't actually a radical, is it?

>>140803589
KUSO! What symptoms do I exhibit? And I don't see /a/ anywhere in the URL.

>>140803639
伺う

>>140803690

I see it used, yeah, but I can never find it on Jisho. Is it supposed to be a 亅 variation?

Retard-tier question: what is the difference between 家 and 宅? Tried googling around and I couldn't find anything useful.

My guess would be that 家 refers to the concept of a "home" while 宅 mainly refers to a "house" as in a residential building but that the difference between the two is muddied sometimes. How correct is this assumption?

>>140803753

I think it's just 一 亅 put together, not its own radical. Did KanjiDamage list this as one radical or something? Whatever helps you memorize it.

>>140804012
You can make nice puns with お宅

>>140803753
Check where the kangxi radicals deck puts it.

>>140804012
You are correct

>>140804012
you got it right.
家 means household, rather than a house,or family, as it includes servants aswell. it's kinda like a synonym for the traditional japanese family, however, today it's mostly just means house, or family, depending on the context. Look up 家 system.

>>140803639
That's a radical made up by HanziDamage.

>>140804128
>>140804066

I thought so. I'm not using KD, but I sometimes look up the radical components on there. Just curious. Thanks.

>>140804206
It's a variant form of 乙

Can Japanese people (people lol) read hiragana?

>>140804284

勿論！

>>140804284
no they just use Romanjis

>>140804282

Oh shit, it is. Thanks. I haven't encountered that radical in forever in the Kangxi deck.

>>140804390
Yeah not a big deal either way considering it's used semantically in exactly one character

>>140804351
I can't read Hanzi yet lol
>>140804379
Oh ok arigatou

Be honset, how many kanji can you actually write? Not counting shit like 1-3strokes like 一　二　三

>>140804628
i can write 際 and nothing else

>>140796573
俺も日常茶飯事

>>140804628
2614. The 2200 that were in RTK1 and 414 others I've found in reading that weren't in RTK1. My mining deck has 2321 kanji right now though so there's still around a few hundred kanji from RTK1 I haven't seen in vocab while reading yet.

>>140804763
In what time did you learn those?

>>140804763
But can you write them anon?

I want to hear opinions regarding studying a deck of radicals before the core 2k.

Is a good idea?
Why?

>>140804847
60 new Kangxi Radicals 2016 cards per day and you're done in a week
Even people with less than 60% retention on vocab can pull it off because radicals are so easy
Why not? You can probably even do radicals at the same time as the kana

>>140804081
>>140804108
Thank you.

>>140804830
Yes. That's what he asked. I have a kanji production deck to maintain it.

>>140804797
Did RTK1 over the course of a few months on the side and then continued to add new kanji I found while reading to the deck.

>>140804847
Unless you want to write kanji by hand, learning radicals is completly and utterly pointless. Sometimes you can kinda guess an unknown kanji's meaning if you know the radicals, or a pronunciation. But ff you're just gonna use japanese to read mango/watch anime, play games, no reason. Unless you have autism and want to learn something utterly pointless, go ahead.

>>140804952
I sincerely doubt you can write 2614 kanji without looking them up. I asked because I know native speakers, and they can maybe write 1000, but it varies wildly, since most people just use computers and phones.

>>140804971
>Sometimes
I mean, whenever I can't fucking stop lapsing a word in core, and I'm not just overwhelmed, the radicals help me pretty easily because I can break it down. It's not like I spent two months learning kanji through brute or anything. I just read through a list and then installed a second deck alongside core.

>>140805053
That's because most native speakers don't use RTK or spaced repetition or even practice writing after high school.

>>140805053
This >>140805105
You're free to doubt me if you want, but it's not a particularly impossible task with something like mnemonics, spaced repetition cloze vocab kanji production RTK cards, a fair amount of reading, etc.

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I have a question. I've encountered a strange grammatical structure at least twice that I think I understand but want an outside opinion on: The te-form of a verb followed by もう.

Here, at about 00:32, at the end of the second line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11APMPHMl8s
>Remember しわが一つずつ増えてく
>明日のこと考えるの楽しくなってもう
>しわが一つ増えるたびに
>昨日よりも幸せそうな君に会えるから
>現状維持で行こう

And here, at about 01:13 at the end of the first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4uTrQHHASs
>心のど真ん中を撃ちぬかれてもう
>Ah Ah・・・苦しくなるの
>胸に空いたこの穴をどうにかしてよね
>許さないんだから heart shooter

My first thought was that this was just ～ても with the final sound lengthened, perhaps because it sounds better that way when sung by a Vocaloid. The first example kind of makes sense if this is true, and I've seen it translated this way before:
>Remember, our wrinkles go on increasing one by one
>Even if it becomes exciting to think about what tomorrow holds,
>Since every time we get another wrinkle
>I get to meet a happier-looking you than yesterday,
>Let's go on keeping things as they are.
This makes sense because "keeping things as they are" does kind of cancel out "thinking about tomorrow." But maybe I'm mistaken?

I feel like it doesn't make sense translated like that in the second one, which then prompts me to re-think the meaning of the first example.
I think 撃ちぬかれてもう is actually an expression of exasperation at her heart getting shot out, not "even though my heart was shot out." In the same way, I think 楽しくなってもう might be an expression of disbelief at how fun it's becoming, not "even though it becomes fun," which slightly changes the meaning of those five lines.
Which do you think it is? Sorry in advance if I'm just overthinking a stupid question.

Does chrome still default to displaying japanese with chinese characters?

>>140804628
About 2005 maybe a little more

>>140805084
That's different, you're just using radicals as a hook then.Like you can learn that 戈 means spear, but it won't really help that much. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
If you really wanna get into it though, you could learn their categories, like where can they be placed. It's up to you, but if you're just going ot use japanese for self entertainment purposes, I see no point.
t. orientalist BA student

>>140805363
>>140805084

So radical help learning kanjis?

I don't know if attack the core2k deck or first do the radical deck.

>>140783355
The only fujoshit with actually interesting plot is otome games with girl protagonist, full homo stuff is consistently terrible.

>>140805105
>or even practice writing after high school.

nigga you do realise that people still use handwriting, right?

>>140805523
When was the last time you had to handwrite more than 20 words in formal speech?

>>140805481
Start core. Do radicals on the side if you want to.

>>140795580
Don't listen to other fags, it really is adorable as fuck, I loved the way Kohina talks.

>>140805523
People really don't hand write very often, apart from jotting down notes.

>>140805582
That's different, are you seriously comparing japanese formal speech to indo-european formal speech?
>>140805698
t. NEET basement dweller

>>140804075
Future reference:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CNSTK1D4M5i5U9yxqBDcueg73X54UYRu6T-jHEFE8hw/edit

>>140799038
"gender dysphoria" implies you're a special butterfly, 障害 in 性同一性障害 implies you're sick in the head.

Is there any good way to pre-learn vocab from Japanese subs without reading all the way through them? I have a .txt file of every word Rikai has imported to compare them to, so theoretically it should be possible to parse the sub file for new words, then delete the ones already mined. Does such a tool exist? If not, how do those of you who mine vocab from subs go about it?

>>140799226
Yep, I tried scanlating one 20 pages doujin I liked, translation was done in like 20 minutes but typesetting that shit took so long I eventually gave up and just dumped raw pages with text translation in a thread here.

>>140806148
Most people mine words as they read.

>>140806148
If you don't mind using Epwing2Anki then you can parse the whole text file and it'll only add new words (duplicates deleted). That said bulk adding new words through a processor like that isn't always a wise idea and furthermore you'll need to fit Epwing into the same format that your mining deck uses.

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>>140799226
>>140806202
I can back this up as someone who hand scanlated 5-10 doujins. Translation was always a cinch, it was the editing that sucked and took up a lot of time. Eventually I paired up with an editor but since he did all the "real" work I couldn't ask for money anymore so that was the end of that.

>>140806148
>Does such a tool exist?
Subs2srs

>>140805231
もういいよ

脳がダメになってもう

ったくもう

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qcU9qm_LY

>>140806202
You're just incompetent, mate. You can stick the shit into those bubbles in no time.

>>140806202
for me i feel like this is the best option because i dont think english text in ero douj is very sexy the japanese writing (kanjis and whatever) give me a waaayyy bigger boner

>>140806829
じゃぁ、「expression of exasperation/disbelief」では正解でしたよね

勉強になりました
ありがとうございます

>>140804882
>>140804971
>>140805617
Started core, with a side of radicals.

I hope I'll make you all proud.

I've spent like 300 hours on this language. Why can't I speak it yet?

>>140807596
Try taking fish oil

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>>140807596
USA Gov estimates the time needed to learn Japanese to be over 1400 class hours, plus independent study. Do your goddamn work.

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>>140808134
>Namasensei made all of his videos private
I really feel sorry for new beginner-fags, Namasensei was literally "Japanese for inbred retards who can't put 2 and 2 together" I personally don't know of any other youtube faggot who treated you like such a retard while being hilarious

>>140808499
They're all public again.

>>140808622
Did he ever explained why the fuck he made them private?

>>140808679
He had to go go off the grid for a while the yaukuza were on his ass

>>140808679
He wanted to make money from the ads, but youtube was jewing him.

>>140807596
I'm at 350 hours in anki and I read pretty much anything I want and understand a reasonable amount of speech.

So you've only got 50 hours to go!

>>140808810
Vocab only?

>>140808810
You're only reading children's picture books, though.

>>140808842
Vocab, a bit of grammar, kanji, it's a spread.

>>140808884
まあね。 The 18+ ones, though.

>>140808134
>1400 class hours

But class hours are ridiculously inefficient and poorly-spent at 99% of schools, 1400 class hours basically translates to around 200 extra hours of independent study.

>>140809371
Yeah, but those 1400 class hours are spread out, so they're less inefficient per time than cramming at things that take spaced intervals to learn properly.

>>140809371
This isn't community college class hours, it's government funded class hours. Which is entirely different.

>>140807301
いやあんた馬鹿にしてるだけや
ある意味で正解
ある意味で不正解 （この場合）

人生は不正解のない質問やねん

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj8T0H7EHSQ

>>140808499
i feel sorry for me also i can only imagine what my life would be like if i had his guidance

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おはようおにいちゃん

あしたから大型連休だよ

おにいちゃんにほんに観光にきてくれるんだよね

I smell くそ in this スレ... Oh fuck... Seems like I just シャットマイセルフ...

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>>140810106
>おにいちゃんにほんに観光にきてくれるんだよね
今の所お金がないので、日本に旅行できるわけがないよ。

>>140810262
Oh which anime is this? I wanna watch it for educational purposes seems like it helped you a lot

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>>140810199

Why removing "write" deck completely fuck up the order in which cards appear?

>>140810338
What is this crudely drawn imitation of an anime? Seems like the quantity of くそ in this スレ just increased.

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>>140810357
Forgot pic, welp

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>>140810106
なんなんやねん！！

>>140810357
I can't understand your grammar, please use simpler terms of upgrade to the premium version of English Rosetta Stone, welp...

>>140810392
>italian
Why do I see you guys so rarely on the internet?

>>140810392
just click mostra la risposta dude

>>140810398
sore wa nan desuka!? sore wa kochi no desu ne sekkusu hoshii ? hai boku wa hoshii nee. jyappu inu yarou wa shitai www

>>140810392
I will tell you if you translate "How big are the animal's sexual organs?" into your language.

>>140810460
cant read can you italian

>>140810407
Basically removing the "Write" section completely fucks Kanjidamage Deck order.

>Remove writing cards: from the Tools menu, choose "Manage Note Types...". Select KanjiDamage in the list, and click the "Cards.." button. There should be two tabs at the top: "Read" and "Write". Click on the x next to "Write".

>>140810428
Not many fellas speak English here.

>>140810437
No, I know how it works. I want it to start with

http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji/1-one-line-radical-%E4%B8%80

instead of Kanji number 334333. It works correctly if I don't delete "Write".

>>140810492
"Quanto sono grossi gli organi riproduttivi degli animali?"

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>>140810570
Welp, forgot pic again

>>140810617
Removing a card type shouldn't affect the order at all, I removed writing cards in my KD deck and it was alright.

>>140810506
boku wa itariajin dewanai www boku wa masshiro na hakujin dayo, pyua kuriin jinshu yo

>>140810690
oo furesshu mai howaito tshirt mitai desune

naruhodo

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>>140810679

Dunno, may be my other settings fucking up with it? Reading the deck comment section, it appears someone else experienced it.

>The instructions above inform you to delete the "write" section if you do not need it.

>But when I did that, it mixed the order of the cards, so the deck is no longer in the right order. I assume it detected some overlap with cards with the same title I had done in the past, even tho I had not done this deck in particular.

Oh well, copying "Read" content into "Write" fixes it and gives me the correct order with the setup I want. Thanks anyway,

>>140810815
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>>140810863
Sfoglia a very dirty sexual term. Why is it in your anki exe executable system?