Why is good immortal/non-immortal stuff so rare? The only good

>>140359864
Tell me more about what you like in a story about an immortal and I'll write one up within the future for you to read. Give or take 5 years.

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>>140359951
Just make this h-manga but less bittersweet and longer.
http://exhentai.org/g/878098/b0f311e1a1/

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>>140360949

>>140359864
Baccano! did a half decent job at it.

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>>140360994
>>140360949
My soul is dead.

>>140360949
>>140360994
Why am I getting the feels and tearing up, it's not even that long, damn it.

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>>140360949
>>140360994
Mountain gods make me a rock.

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That's true i would like to see a manga/anime where the relationship between an immortal and mortal is the focus of the story.
Or just the life of an immortal person in a span of a few hundred or thousand years.

The immortality is normaly just an aspect of a character and doesn't really play a big part in the story...at least in animes and magas i watched/read so far.

>>140361365
>>140359864
The problem with immortals is that it's harder to make good stories around them. Like, the conflicts are generally harder to make because the character can't really die and immortals will become numb to the world around them eventually. Yeah you can have it be character based, but let's say they fall in love and watch the love age and then die. What next? The character arc is basically over, if they have the character move and and repeat the cycle it just sort of cheapens the experience and makes the MC feel like an idiot or someone who doesn't care about the people he loved to stop himself from falling in love again.

timeskips could be cool if they did something where a character has a long-term goal where they slowly conquer the world or something, I guess.

>>140361629
The mortal one becoming immortal too via some plot fuckery typically works pretty well.

>>140361629
I think it works if the immortal character has some overarching goal that only works due to being able to live so long. Like you said, conquering the world. Or it could even be trying to save the world by bringing world peace kind of thing. That's generally not possible within a regular human life span but if you're an immortal, maybe there's a chance.

Have you read UQ Holder, OP?

>>140361777
That's one of the things I was thinking about as I complained to be honest

They have like 8 month long training arcs, when it should be something like 50 years to utilize the unique dynamics of immortality.

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>>140361629
Episodic/interconnected episodic can work pretty well for immortal protagonists. Fushigi na Shounen's isn't so much immortal as omnipotent though

Even multiple romances don't make each other feel cheapened if done right.

>>140361692
At that point why bother with immortality at all? Just to show the characters surroundings change while they remain static? There are plenty of fish-out-of-water stories that do that, and a few time travel ones as well.

>>140362084
If anything, I believe immortals wouldn't be static since they experience and can learn from mistakes. They should be the ones who make the most mistakes and the ones who change the most.

>>140361629
I don't think so. Being immortal "unlockes" quite a few possible scenarios we basically never see. I don't remember an anime where an immortal struggeled with his emotions while he watches everyone around him slowly die.

We never saw the story of an immortal wandering around in the world trying to find reason for his life.

We never saw the story of an immortal trying to kill himself and slowly go insane.

There are many quite intresting scenarios other then "becomming numb" and even when the immortal gets "numb" in the end there would a lot of intesting storytelling and possible scenarios to that point.

I mean there are many ways how to show the life of an immortal. You could make 24 episode of an immortal getting his power and his first love and his struggle with it.
Or of an immortal just wandering around and how he affects the places where he has been like a force of nature.
Or you could make a story about 2 immortals meeting,falling in love but have diffrent viewpoints how they value "nonimmortals" and eventually fighting against each other.

There are sooooooooo many ways. And we have yet to see even one.

>>140359864

I'm going to assume that writing about that is hard because no author has any first hand experience about being immortal.

>>140362334
>yfw it's hard to write a story about an immortal because the story itself isn't immortal and gets axed before it gets anywhere

>>140362334
>What are fiction writers?

>>140362535

Themes in faction are easier to do when it has real life proxies

What you see in fantasy and sci fi are often social commentaries on real life proxies.

immortals? has no real life proxy

neither does time travel

that's why those genre are hard to write about and generally a mess

>>140362753
>immortals? has no real life proxy
Is history not one?

>>140362247
Would you prefer to see it from the immortal's pov or through a character that meets up with the immortal?

>>140362084
Fresh immortal vs ancient immortal
Optimism vs cynicism
etc

>>140362334
Because of denial, I'm immortal.

>>140362925
>etc
Come on, anon, expand more on it.

>>140362799

I'm not sure what you mean that.

But I guess you could use the history of one select culture, anthropomorphize it into one immortal character

If we used that as an example than I'd say the thing an immortal would be most concerned about is its changing cultural identity, ideology and moral values?

It would seek to preserve what it has left and limit or avoid influence from others.

So I guess an immortal would gradually become more insular and avoid personal contact with others. I would not be lonely and seek company. It would be defensive, insular and anti social.

Of course this is just one interpretation.

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My favorite immortal falling in love with a non-immortal person story was that one Greek tale with some demigoddess whose name I can't remember falling in love with a Mortal and begging Zeus to make him immortal as well.
Zeus does, however he doesn't make the mortal immune to aging so the entire rest of the story is the two lovers begging Zeus to make him mortal again so he doesn't have to live in torment./spoiler]
Other than that, Immortality stories kinda suck due to being tied towards mythologies and mysticism so the author must create a specific world and rules and absolutely abide by them

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>>140360994
Forest/mountain goddess is my fetish

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>>140362970
I'm too tired to type it out, but it's like
>Immortal tries to do x
>Spends # of years failing to do x
>Gives up on x
>Cynicism regarding x develops
>New immortal comes along
>Wants to do x
>Knows about all the way old immortal tried to do x and failed
>However doesn't have old immortal's acquired cynicism
>Can actually accomplish x by hinging on old immortal's failures
>Develops old immortal's character (unchanging through the centuries) via these actions

UQ Holder doesn't utilize immortality's functionality very good, but it does have some okay abstracts.

One of my biggest pet peeves is when an immortal person can be changed just via interaction and not action. You get this a lot in manga/anime where teenagers are lecturing the immortal dude on how to live their life correctly, as if they would know best. Like that really turned me off to Meteor Methuselah and to a lesser extent certain parts of Trigun.

>>140363223
>mortal immune to aging
Wait, then what kind of immortality is that? He's just suffering as ash?

>>140363277
That album is top tier. I'm a total sucker for track 2.

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>>140363223
>immortal but still ages

I'd replace my skin ever 50 years. I'd be some skin harvesting vampire that wears different skinsuits depending on the mood.

>>140363383
It doesn't get to that point in the story, the mortal man just gets really fucking old and frail to the point where both lovers learn the cruel lesson about appreciating what little time you have.
Greek tales were written by Ono

>>140363389
Mine is, well yeah, Shelanoir no mori >>140363277
>tfw Ar Ciel=Ar Dor was 6 years ago

>>140360949
>>140360994
Chinese art that doesn't look like trash? The fuck

>>140363851
>His grandson comes back and does it again

>>140363851
Why is it that nobody kills the malicious spirit and instead just imprisons it away and makes it someone else's problem 30 years down the line?

>>140363851
This creeps me out every time.

>>140363900
It's probably unkillable.

>>140363900
How do you kill a spirit anon?

>>140363960
Would burning the mountain it presides over work or just force it to another location? If yes, try decapitation and keep those talismans handy. I don't know enough of this creature's nature and place in the hierarchy to say for sure.

>>140363851

I'd spend the eternity with a cute fox goddess in a shrine atop a mountain. What a fucking cunt.

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>>140364699
People rejecting the offer of immortality always makes me so mad. Even if it comes with strings attached like "bang me in front of your girlfriend" any actual person would do it in a second.

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>>140364799
Worst girl won but the ending was strangely satisfying. Since the MC was like "Yeah, I'll cheat on you."

Fucking balls on that kid.

>>140364799
>>140364855
Sauce? Google turns up nothing.

>>140363349
>implying Kanbaru vs Shinobu wasn't fucking great in owari

>>140365282
Exception that proves the rule. Since Kanbaru is a 3rd party it was a sort of "word of god" type argument against the character, if Araragi gave that speech it would've been shit. Also Shinobu's mental age is somewhat in flux throughout the series so

>>140364699
Same with the fucking moth hentai.
All their problems come from not just staying with her.
Fucking retarded.

read blame! the scale of time, much like anything in that manga is bizarre.

>>140365380
Moth girl was gross. Even if you're attracted to her body type in that hentai, think about what moths are like in real life, and imagine a person with those physical properties. Leaving moth splooge and flakes all over the place...fucking nasty

>>140365174
Harvest December.

>>140365431
I think she also killed his mom. Would you want to be with your mom's killer.

>>140365488
Thanks

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>>140361948
The Yurika chapter was so fucking depressing.

>>140360949
Thanks for this, there was a good story req in h stuff 2 days ago, mentioned this but was on mobile, based ez reference now.

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>it's an immortality is a curse episode
I hate it so fucking much.

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An anime about all of her edgy backstory would be cool as fuck.

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I like the Highlander setup for telling an immortal character's story. Start towards the end and flashback to the moments that helped to define this Immortal's life. It's also interesting to see how characters who keep the same core (In this movie one wants to create the perfect empire) and adapts it across the ages. Really the original movie, this one, and the tv series have a lot of good stories centered around immortal characters.

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>>140368101
Alucard's "muh curse" was handled pretty good and uniquely. It was pretty interesting how he wanted to live, but also wanted to be killed (specifically, and only, by a human).

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>>140369657
It was great when he broke down and cried because Anderson couldn't kill him.

>>140365380
All problems come from her being creepy as hell. He'd probably accept her more easily if she didn't try to mind control him.

>>140368561
Highlander series is sweet.

Pity 2 was the worst.

>>140368101
It's just stating the obvious. You're trading the fear of death for the fear of no death. Fear of eternal sleep to fear of eternal waking.

Pseudo immortality is the way to go. Unkillable by anything but age itself.

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>>140360994
>>140360949
I feel empty inside

>>140370004
Why?

>>140361148
>>140361139
>>140370416
At least he is a spirit and all and they get to be together in the spiritual realm between physical and spiritual reality. They can touch each other at least.

>>140372661
Or it could've just been the mountain's imagination. The fact that it's left ambigous is what makes it such a good one.

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>>140364699
>the boy is the cunt
>not the god for cursing the people around him and his grandfather

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Try Majo no Shinzou. It's very good and bittersweet.

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>>140360994
>>140360949
This artist can draw some patrician taste girls I tell you.

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>>140373838
Nipple mod please don't

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>>140373787
I wish someone would translate the artist's new work.

>>140373778
You know how some anons are. Shove anything into anything remotely resembling a cute girl/loli form and they will defend mass genocide.

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>>140373865

>>140373964
I had no idea. I'll keep an eye on it.

>>140373464
>>140372661
The poem at the start seems to make it fairly clear that he's perma gone to me.

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>>140373994
She did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong.

>>140368320
second this

>>140372486
It retcons large portions of the original movie for dumb reasons. Biggest one was creating the planet Zeist which becomes the homeworld of the immortals. And the game they were playing wasn't for ultimate power but the choice to either go home or grow old. They bring back Sean Connery's character for no reason, and the movie becomes some environmental "save the planet" wank.

It's universally panned and unfortunately the live action highlander films never got better. But we still got a sweet tv series out of it and the animated movie is still good.

>>140373994
If an immortal commits mass genocide, is it wrong?

>>140374309
If it's an immortal loli then anons will decree it is not.

>>140361629
>>140361713
They should just turn Lost Odyssey into an episodic anime and have each episode be Kaims dream sequences only expanded.

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>>140359864
Azami a cutie.

>>140374407
See GATE.

One eroge I played had some nice scenes about the subject, about a 1000+ year old loli queen who's had a husband before, and fondly remembers the time she spent with him.

At one point, she disparagingly calls herself a granny, so the MC slaps her ass. She goes "kya", and he says "I don't know any grannies that make cute sounds like that, you're still young".

>>140374784
Disgusting

>>140374784
Further proof that the 500+ yo loli immortal ruins otherwise great ideas.

>>140374888
>>140374922
I always find it funny when people get triggered so hard by non-virgins.

>>140375000
What are you on about? I said it's disgusting precisely in the theme of the thread. She's only immortal so she can be a loli forever.

>>140375202
>a loli forever
The more assumptions you make, the more you embarrass yourself. Sasuga plebs.

>>140375000
Maybe I don't like the idea of a scene that inevitably is going to have a sexual context featuring someone who looks like they could be as old as my niece? And the word is annoyed, not triggered.

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>>140375000
Honestly it's not the virgin part. The fact she's loved and lost before sorta cheapens it. But I'm probably being gender biased because I didn't have much of a problem with Trigun or Inuyasha or various male vampire shoujo I've read.

Kami-sama Hajimemashita was absolute garbage with the retconning "the male lead's lost love was actually the FeMC doing time travel fuckery"

pic not related because she was a virgin which kinda turned me off.

>>140375318
Welcome to /a/, either adapt or leave. And no, it's triggered.

>>140375340
Pretty biased, yes.

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When will Lawrence drink Korbo's blood?

>>140375410
Only one triggered is you that people don't like your particular fetish.

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>>140359864
>Why is good immortal/non-immortal stuff so rare?
Because the trope only exists to have legal lolis slutting it up in nationally published works.

It's an extreme rarity that the trope in question is actually just the classical trope, played straight.

>>140359864

Because this trope is shit.

>>140375477
You don't see me sperging out at someone else's description, it's the opposite. Adapt or leave.

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>>140360994
>>140360949
>Just make this h-manga but less bittersweet and longer.

So a sengoku youko spin-off?

>>140375509
Pic not related.

>>140375545
>trope
That's like saying a swordsman is a trope.

>>140375576
One comment and suddenly you feel the need to respond to not only me but someone else to tell them that their wrong. You're projecting so hard it's funny.

Also you keep saying adapt or leave like I haven't been here for years already.

>>140375663
Pic completely related, unless you invoke the manga which literally doesn't count.

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>>140361692
I like when the immortal wolf guy's waifu dies and then becomes a tree spirit.

>>140375870
All you said was "omg ur wrong" and "muh sensitivities". /a/ is obviously too much for you.

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>>140375959
Holo's immortality isn't anything more than a backstory/motivation unless you count the new sequel which just seems to utilize a single time skip.

Also why are you dissing the manga which is better than both the anime and LN?

>>140370024
>Unkillable by anything but age itself.
Should be the opposite.

>>140375870
Kill yourself.

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>>140375960
Inari Konkon's mortal to immortal was good too.

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Hana to Akuma played it well. The mortal FeMC's children outlived her.

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Bastard, while not the main focus, had various aspects of immortality in relationships that were well done.

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>>140376153
Fucking pathetic, go shit up some other thread.

>>140376399
Stop bitching, o triggered one.

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Mahou Tsukai no Yome doesn't do much for me because the immortal guy doesn't seem to have much experience to make him a convincing immortal.

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>>140376448
You can like your loli waifu's all you want I don't give a fuck. But please stop with this triggered nonsense, it's embarrassing.

>>140376763
>I don't give a fuck
That's why you sperged out about "muh sensitivities", right? Triggered is the term here.

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>>140375960
Vampire bund pulled mortal to immortal off well too.

>>140360949
Muh heart...

>>140361692
Or having two immortals and a snippet of their relationship in certain ages. Hancock did that pretty alright.

>>140376805
It's fine if you want to jerk it to prepubescent bodies anon. Nobody's judging you here on /a/.

>>140374784
Mind sharing what the name of this eroge is, sir?

>>140376399
See >>140376153

>>140360949
Came here to post this.
I wanna fuck loli granny.

>>140376816
Well sort of, it was abundantly obvious they were going to make Akira immortal eventually through some bullshit or other, which they did.

I came for an interesting topic
came out slightly tearing up and feeling empty

These threads need to happen more often

>>140376816
>Losing your telomeres makes you immortal
What? Those are the quality checkers for your cells when they split, you should be aging faster without them, what you need is telomeres that don't shorten.

>>140360994
>people are sad over a guy who gets an eternity of tenderly loving his loli waifu
I don't understand.

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>>140377497
Akira became some kind of werewolf god since vampires originally cursed werewolves since they were too OP. I got fuckin chills when all the Werewolf elders showed up, took one look at Akira and told Mina that they no longer serve vampires. It was pretty based, I just wish there was more bestiality.

>>140378040
You mean the part where they asked to be released from her service so they could go fight Rozenman to the death? Because that sure as hell wasn't because they thought they were too good to serve her now.

>>140378097
Nah it was both. They said they wanted to be released because they saw that the future of werewolf kind was secured and didn't mind dying for that future. They were dying for Akira and not Mina.

>>140377181
Probably not happening, thanks to that loli-triggered newfag and his spam.

>>140377687
It may just be her delusion

>>140378172
Except the part where they say they've been living all this time to protect Mina because her mother told them to and otherwise they would have died with her. And the part where they say in the "new age" Akira and the other young werewolves need to do the same and protect her right? They say nothing about the werewolves future in regards to being separated from the vampires and in fact encourage it.

>>140378296
Like I'm looking at the page now and it says "From now on it is the duty of you young pups to give your lives in service to her majesty, understand?" There's no way you can twist that to say they think the werewolves should be separated from service of the vampires or that they expect Akira to do anything like that.

>>140378296
What about the fact that they immediately choose to die there when they hear about Akira's transformation? I mean they still expect him to serve her family but still. I guess I was wrong about the "no longer serving" part.

I think it's cool that they trusted the future of their race with Akira though.

>>140378498
They were passing on the torch, they said that by all rights they should have died long ago with their old master but persisted in living because she told them to protect her daughter. It was a change of the old guard to the new generation and nothing more. It just showed that they trusted Akira to protect her and nothing more.

I know, right? I was looking for something with that theme of story happening over span of centuries, but with the same character after I've seen Highlander.

The Blame! manga is practically about immortal transhumans doing shit over a very very very very very long time.
Also, regeneration powers and stuff.

>>140378546
There's the implication that comes along with the fact that the curse that caused werewolves being killed once bitten by vampires has been beaten by Akira. Not only that, but Akira is clearly her husbando. It's pretty apparent that they're trusting him with her protection, and the future of their race, otherwise they wouldn't have any of that backstory.

Divine Melody

>>140363277
I want to be a tsundere forest goddess' fuccboi too ;_;

>>140374208
Nah, I doubt that, it was straight forward as we know directly what happened. His remains still had his soul and they reunited.