Bleach - Why aren't more Quincy using Blut Vene?

>>139580976

Kubo probably forgot about it

This actually is a good question.

>>139581099

Thanks. I was thinking about this after the recent fights. We've really seen a lot of Quincy fight at this point, but so far, very limited use of Blut Vene. Hell, just imagine if Gerard uses it against Kenpachi... if he knows the attack is coming, he has time to switch to defense and blut up.

>>139582023
Gerrard already uses it. Look at his reformed right arm.

>>139582409

I wasn't sure if that was Blut Vene or the same type of desings that appeared on his head. Are thsoe blut vene, too?

>>139582504
Seems so

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What was everyone's reaction to this?

>>139582831
Very few were surprised.

>>139582831

Not lying, but I seriously called that back during the Soul Society arc.

>>139580976
>>139582023
I think the issue is that most of the Quincy have been defeated by gimmick, surprises or single, overwhelming attacks, all of which are good against defeating or bypassing Blut Vene. Vene seems to work best against weaker but more regular/frequent attacks. That, and I think it's just best to assume they are using it, but since its just a bit of passive defense, there's no real reason to draw attention to it

>>139582981
Prove it fgt

>>139583181


If I could remember my damn handle, I'd use the wayback machine and access the Bleach Asyulum boards.

>>139583351
Well, it's not too much of a big deal. I found a post on desustorage dating to 2008 that was saying it too.

>>139582831
I'm confused not by she being a sword, but I don't get if she was always Zaraki's zanpakutou that materializes an avatar for whatever reason or if she is a random sword hanging around.

>>139582831

Dropped

>>139580976
>Urahara: "Quincies having to switch between Blut Vene and Blut Arterie will become an important part of our anti-Quincy strategies"
>literally never happens

>>139583766

He thought he found a little girl, but she was really his zanpakutou spirit manifesting. He's that strong Kenpachi managed to do it without knowing anything about how zanpakutous work.

>>139582831
Little mad, shouldn't they both be using the same shikai and shit?They both use different blades and powers which is kinda fucked considering that she is his zanpakuto spirit.

>>139580976
Its just like Shunpo, they make it seem like its a big deal then all of a sudden its not.

>>139584458
Ichigo never used Deadly Darts, but the Hollow did.

>Kenpachi's zanpakuto spirit is Yachiru
>Yachiru's reiatsu doesn't correspond with Kenpachi or the sword
>sword's voice isn't Yachiru's

There's something else going on here

>>139582831
It was expected but it was still pretty damn cool to see, the Blacked out panel with BANKAI on it is always a cool effect.

>>139582831
I was feeling hyped how all our predictions were finally becoming canon.

>>139582831
>Uryu finally fights
>but first, Urahara and Kenpachi's bankais
Should I be mad?

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>>139580976
More like
>why urahara didn't used his bankai against the 400 treats that happened

>>139580976
The Quiny are using is constantly. One of the two is constantly active. It's only the switch that is constantly. We knew Quilge constantly switched, but there were no visual indications that he actually used it. It's probably the same with the other Sternritter. It would imo also waste precious panel time, if Kubo showed us something all the time that we knew is happening. People would probably complain about that then.

>>139586601
At least he had an excuse with Opie, he'd just steal his bankai if he used it.

>>139586601
398 treats could be defeated without Bankai. 1 treat couldn't be defeated even with Bankai. Technically Urahara's Bankai wasn't able to defeat Askin. If Grimmjow for example wasn't there, Urahara would have lost. Askin has no heart is still breathing and speaking.

>>139582831
Kubo's losing his touch, bankai panel would usually take half the page

Will there be a chapter this week or do I remember correctly that Kubo's taking 2 week break?

>>139589037
Please tell me that's not true.

>>139582831
Same as usual.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKK

>>139580976
Who cares, I only want the jobber fights to wrap themselves as quickly as possible, and here you're complaining that Kubo forgot about something that would make them longer?
That's fine by me.

>>139580976
They have been using it, but that doesn't mean it's going to be brought up in every fight. It's like Hierro for the arrancar; they all use it but it varied in strength, with Nnoitra's being the strongest. Vene is really their only defensive technique and Byakuya was able to cut As Nodts but with his Shikai; the shinigami have put up a lot more offense than you're accounting for.

>>139582023
It's just Kubo's way of explaining why a human can handle Captain level attacks and not being destroyed immediately.

>>139582831
I'm not sure if I was surprised or not. We had called it a long time, but to actually see it happen was exhilarating as hell.

But now that it's confirmed, it spawns even more questions.

Since materialized swords can be mistaken as real people... Who else could be one?
And taking this further; since the limbs of Soul King are sentient entities as well, could he also have a sentient sword running around?
I could totally see Kenpachi being the Sword of Soul King because of his ability to cut and overpower everything, but since he already has Yachiru it might go too deep.

>>139580976
they cant use their offensive powers when they use it so its useless

How strong is the old commander genryusai?

>>139592319
bretty strong mate

>>139592562
How did he lose against juhabach? He should be OP as fuck m8

>>139592562
Aizen stated that Yamamoto would probably be stronger than himself. Aizen didn't even want to fight old man Yama in Shikai, after absolutely wrecking Kyoraku, Toshiro, Shinji, Soi-Fon etc.

>>139592675
Bankai stolen.

>>139580976
They are using it just not being pointed out from what we know so far it can be assumed that they are using it

>>139592211
thats not how it works

>>139593335
it is...

>>139593610
There capability to attack is diminished. it does not cause them to be unable to attack

>>139593675
they cant even touch vice captain without offensive vlud, so they pretty much have to have it 24/7 over defense one

>>139582831
Makes sense to me. I don't mind it. I just hope it's more than an even bigger sword.

>>139593749
are you an idiot?

>>139593335
retard speedreader

>>139593799
are you a prophet?

Are Aizen and Ichigo going to team up to take down Yhwach? Seems obvious. Aizens goal was to kill the Soul King. Well, the Soul King is dead now and Yhwach has taken his place.

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>>139593843
Blut vene DOES NOT stop someone from attacking

The only thing it does is amplify there defensive capabilities in exchange for there offensive capabilities

Kirge literally says "attacking without blut arterie is useless against someone in bankai mode"

Therefore attacking is possible while in Blut Vene

>>139594113
What will Aizen's reaction be when he finds out Ichigo was the one who cut down the Souk King?

>>139594328
"Just as keikaku"

>>139594453
Except for the fact that nothing ever goes as planned for aizen

>>139594489
Except for you know, literally fucking everything right up until Ichigo one shot him. Not a single one of Aizens plans were ever foiled. He succeeded in everything he did, his only failure was not having plot armor because he became a god and still got one shot

In other news a new Bleach musical has been anounced. Is probably worth a color page.

>>139580976
Better question is why quincies not using archery like they're meant to.

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>>139594743
>>139594743

>>139585668
>Should I be mad?
You can't be anon, you know you can't

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>>139594743

>>139594743
Then theres Yhwh, Pepe, Liltotto, Bazz B Menias, Giselle, Candice

Do you know what the results of all those "holy arrows"

THEY DIDNT FUCKING WORK

>>139594743
Every Quincy is using projectile weapons. Äs Nödt's spikes are his arrows. Lille's bullets are his arrows and so on. The only exception so far are Gerald, Haschwalth and the few Quincy who had not enough screen time to do much in general. Haschwalth is possibly not able to use bows and Gerard being a Quincy is strange in the first place.

>Yachiru is Kenpachi's zanpakuto

How many people fucking predicted this?

>>139594674
Source?

>>139595296
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-04-04/bleach-rock-musical-returns-after-4-years/.100631

>>139595210
Around majority of /a/

Blut Vene can be overcome with enough firepower, this was explained years ago.
And Ichigo's Blut powers are actually really fucking good.

>>139584815
Deadly Darts is a physical technique with a special application of Getsuga. Ichigo did something similar when he swung Zangetsu by the wrapping and stabbed it into Soukyoku while channeling a Getsuga through it.

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>>139595210
>Zanpakuto is a manifestation of the owners soul
>Kenpachi secretly wishes he was a little girl

>>139595659
Real zangetsu when??

>>139592151
>Since materialized swords can be mistaken as real people... Who else could be one?
Nimaiya has a few hanging about. So it's not that special an occurence. What's special is the fact that he has several. Begs the question of who else aside from Nimaiya and Kyoraku had/have multiple zanpaktou and if they share the same name.
Hint, hint, Yama and Soukyoku.

>>139595706
We've already seen him. He's White.

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>>139595210
Most of them. It had been foreshadowed for 600 chapters. This scene comes immediately after Ichigo has his internal monologue about having to improve together with Zangetsu rather than individually.

>>139594148
Being possible isnt the same as being effective, just saying.

>>139595783
thats his hollow power. his real shinigami power were suppressed by old man

>>139595990
No, White is his shinigami and hollow power combined.

>>139595861
There was no precedent of zanpakuto spirits living outside the sword as a normal soul by that point, that prediction sounds stupid before Starrk.

I stopped reading like just before the start of last year. Has Ichigo ever bothered to use something other than Getsuga Tenshou yet? A Cero? Anything at all? It amazes me how Kubo managed to go 600 chapters with a main character who did the same thing every time.

>>139596100
Yeah he learned a new getsuga tenshou ever since becoming one with all of his powers, it's a Quincy technique or something

>>139596017
no, white is his hollow, old man said so

>>139596034
>There was no precedent of zanpakuto spirits living outside the sword as a normal soul by that point
yes and no, all zampa can materialize on the real world (bankai training) but it takes a toll (yoruichi used her reiatsu to keep zangetsu while ichigo trained)

>>139596161
His shinigami powers and hollow are combined though

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>>139596100

Is there such a thing as "shinigami powers" in Bleach?

Hitsugaya had Hyorinmaru even before becoming a shinigami.
Nimaiya explained that zanpakuto are just a very efficient weapon to channel your natural powers. The zanpakuto spirits exist within every soul, even if that soul don't possess a zanpakuto.

What we call shinigami powers is just a the regular power of every soul. There isn't a single thing that a shinigami can do that a plus soul can't, not even kido is a shinigami exclusive ability.

I stopped reading about 30 chapters ago. I figured waiting for it to finish and just rereading everything would be better. This new arc is just pissing me off. Makes me nostalgic for the Espada even though it dragged on.

I wonder what Kubo's next work will be? I do like his art despite his lack of backgrounds. Or maybe he will just retire, seems like he doesn't even like making manga anymore.

>>139596667
Think about it this way

Imagine if Barragan didnt become a hollow and instead became a Plus soul and eventually a Shinigami

what do you think his Zanpakuto power would be?

>>139596828
Kubo should just to a comedy series about catwalk modelling, think Zoolander. He clearly prefers coming up with new costumes more than writing an actual plot.

>>139596922
Kubo should make a Kill La Kill style story where the clothes do the work

>>139596922
Bleach' plot is about individual characters handling the situations they are in. Instead of just ending the bad guy

>>139596922
The story surrounding the Soul King, the origins of Soul Society, the First Blood War and the Shinigami-Quincy conflict seem to differ.

>>139597080
We need some insight on that stuff soon. The arc has lost a lot of steam.

>>139597347

We'll get some more info in 20 chapters, then we'll get a few panels of eye closeups.
Then more info in 30 chapters right after some more useless characters are reintroduced.

>>139597347
Well only Gerard's left. I have no how Sternritter are actually dead and how many will be revealed to be alive, but after Gerard it should be Yhwach confronting Ichigo. Since they are alone Yhwach could tell Ichigo what's going on. Since he's wearing the mask of the father her shouldn't be as much of a dick.

>>139597609
*no idea how many

>>139597609

>"Who said the Sternritter...only consisted of the alphabet?"
>Numbered Sternritter appear

I'd laugh my ass off honestly

>>139597658
>Kanji Sternritter appear
>All ~4000 of them

>>139597347
We were literally just told that Gerard is the heart of the Soul King

Pernida is the Right hand of the Soul King and considers itself to have "Always been a Quincy"

Then you have the Right hand being at odds with the Left hand. In terms of both appearance and abilities

We not have Ishida who was planning to destroy Wahrwelt with pieces of the Senrei glove that for some reason can only be activated by his reiatsu

We also know that Yhwhs next step is to invade the material world

>>139597697

>4000 more chapters of this arc

kill me

>>139597658
The Ä, The Ö and The Ü soon.

>>139597732
>We were literally just told that Gerard is the heart of the Soul King
That means fuck all when the context of everything is still so dark. Ditto with the right and left hands. The story has very little thrust in it right now.

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>>139597658
The entire purpose of the Stern Ritter was to invade Conquer Soul Society a goal they have already achieved

>>139597883

>implying Kubo even gives a shit

>>139597879
Kubo seems to be focusing more on the stories of the Shinigami while the actually important stuff is mostly untouched. The majority of the fights feel like they try to give closure to the individual Shinigami, while at the same time setting things up for the future.

>>139597658
>Sternritter ß

>>139596847
Could be the same as his Hollow powers. Shikai slows his opponents down, Bankai causes decay.

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Oh shit, maybe the reason this guy couldn't take Ichigo's bankai was because it wasn't a bankai.

>>139598508
I remember people were calling that the day that chapter came out.

>>139598508
Welcome to three years ago, slowpoke

>>139594823
I will be if his bankai sucks, though.

>>139598508
he couldn't take it because it's mostly hollow

>>139597658
Shaz Domino is Sigma, so we'll be getting Greek Sternritters next.

>>139599230
No, it was a Quincy power simulating a Bankai.

>>139582831
is she implying bankai has a different name than bankai

>>139601389
Yes, Ichibe called it Shin'uchi.

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>>139596161
Bruh, old man was lying to him. Hichigo is really Ichigo's hollowfied Zangetsu. The "Zangetsu" we knew was actual Ywach and a manifestation of his quincy powers and was actively suppressing the real Zangetsu. The bread crumb trail has been there

>Byakuya saying that what Ichigo has isn't a bankai since the first time he saw it
>Hichigo always saying "I'm Zangetsu!" whenever he fought Ichigo, and the only way to beat him was to accept him his blade Zangetsu
>"Zangetsu" suddenly manifesting in this form, which is not unlike Ywach and Haschwalth switching places
>The Final Getsugatensho stripped him of his quincy powers, but not his shinigami powers. The fullbring training actually restored his quincy powers, much like Ishida's training to restore his after losing them
>His new zanpakto was the only white blank slate in a sea of blacks

>>139601656
All this arguing about Tensa Zangetsu not being a real bankai is pointless because it was obvious from the moment Ichigo got an Asauchi.

>>139580976
Because, as with Hierro it's an ability that either works or it doesn't, so Kubo has to pick and choose when it works otherwise the Shinigami couldn't win.

So if Getsgua Tencho is a quincy technique, does that mean Ichigo has destroyed the soul of every hollow he's killed with it?

It uses fuckload of energy, "zangtesu" tells it to ichigo in ss arc.

>>139601946
Getsuga can't be a Quincy technique because Isshin has it, too.
Also, fun fact: Ichigo has never killed anyone with Getsuga.

>>139601656
>>139601818
>Ichigo is actually going to get a fuckhuge bankai that represents his power now
I'm okay with this

>>139601990
He might have it but it doesn't work in the same way

It seems like Ichigos version of getsuga tensho is or should i say was a cross between hollow powers and Quincy powers

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>>139598508

>>139594542
Things only went his way because he bailed out of whatever conflict he arrogantly got himself in with kyoga suigetsu. Without it he'd be a shitty tactician who's plans would've likely never took off due to not being cautious.

>>139602826
He had the luxury of being bold because of his Zanpaktou and that was only towards the end of his plans. He literally spent hundreds of years in secret working up to that point.

do you think kubo will ever explain why ichigo's dad knew what mugetsu was

>>139603262
Probably a technique taught to him by Ichigo's mom to rid Ichigo of his quincy powers in case of an emergency

>>139602941
And after spending about a century pretending (which a few of the captains saw through anyway), he immediately lost his ability to think straight and started doing stupid shit, which ultimately cost him. He didn't anticipate or read any of his enemies properly and was easily outsmarted by guys like Gin and Urahara. Doesn't make him a very intelligent or successful person.

>>139603910
That may actually be a plot point. It's possible that becoming closer to god and a transcendent affected his mind, because non-godly being can't handle that. I mean the same shit happened with Lille, when he became close to god.

>>139601389
that was established some time ago

>>139604217
That's possible but ultimately speculation, we don't know if his lack of intellect came from the hogyoku messing with him or not.

And even before merging with it, him revealing himself as a villain to the SS was unnecessary. He didn't need to do that in order to get the hogyoku from Rukia. Even when he was pretending to be a kind person some people easily saw through it, so it wasn't completely effective.

>>139604476
He got sick of pretending and wanted to rub it in their faces?

>>139604476
>>139604565
Aizen got cocky because of Kyoka Suigetsu but he was able to and it all worked out for him. Who knows if he would have been more careful without it.

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>>139604565
Well if that's the case, there are other examples of people who smugly rub it into the faces of the heroes while still having very successful plans.

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>>139604872
He doesn't seem to have been using it during the current arc and he basically has no real plan or strategy so far. He's just smugly sitting around waiting for something to go his way without planning for it.

>>139605010
There isn't really much he can fucking do, now is there

Y'all do realize Aizen would've won until he ran into Dues Ex Urahara.

Also, he's just waiting for Ichigo to reach the peak of his power so he can "eat" him and become the new Spirit King

>>139605010
Well he did fuck with Yhwach's sense of time somehow, but he's definitely waiting for the right moment.

>>139605010
There is one thing Aizen has though; knowledge. He knows about the Soul King and he knows about Yhwach and Ichigo. Based on that he may predict future outcomes. Depending on how he comes free we can probably see how much BS Aizen really talks. If he is set free because of events related to the plot, then him being a good planer could be legit. But if he's set because of the collateral damage of Kira's and Lille's fight for example, then we know that Aizen is a hoax.

It could also be that Aizen planned to become free by shooting down the soul palace and underestimated Mayuri and the Quincy's interference.

>>139605289
It wasn't a deus ex, Urahara just genuinely outsmarted him and Aizen, like many times before, didn't have a backup plan.

just how strong was gin? did he know that ichigo was a quincy all along?

>>139607322
Of course he knew, they were the reason his parents met. I tend to think he was one of the stronger captains, but he held onto his trump card too long.

>>139607403
>they were the reason his parents met
can you explain this part? i forgot about his history

>>139604872
Aizen got cocky because of the Hogyoku and the fact that he was literally immortal. He had KS all his life but only the Hogyoku for a short amount of time.

>>139607463
aizen gin and kaname made the hollow that drew isshin to the human world where he met masaki while fighting it

>>139607570
thanks

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>>139607322
>did he know that ichigo was a quincy all along?
Haven't read bleach in years, but is he seriously a half shinigami half hollow half human half qunicy now? Jesus fucking christ

>>139607611
Half Shinigami and half Quincy. 'Half Hollow' isn't a thing, but its possible to obtain hollow powers by various methods.

>>139607611
No he's a Quincy/Fullbringer with Shinigami powers and an artificial Hollow renting a room inside of him.

>>139607472
He was cocky even before using the Hogyoku but he had something to bail him out when things got bad.

>>139608803
Artificial hollow?

>>139592675

Yhwach is implied to be much stronger, plus Yama had exhausted himself somewhat fighting Royd. A good slice from Juha is all it took.

>>139605010
>that's my annoyed face

Also in case you didn't know Zanpakutos are artificial and made out of blank hollows or something.

They were also invented by some nigger on squad 0.

>>139609984
Aizen made the hollow inside of Ichigo

>>139610278

>>139607611
meant to quote

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When was the last time this series had a gag? It's been like 300 chapters since there was any humor at all. to think this series started out relentlessly taking the piss out of Ichigo for trying to act like a brooding hero all the time.

>>139610402
the orihime outfit
yoruichi cat form

>>139610402
Clearly you haven't read the last 300 chapters, or even the last two.

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>>139610402
>>139610556

>>139580976
Because Blut is actually not all that useful against Captain-class Shinigami. That's why they tried to steal all the Bankai from the start.

Remember, you can't use Blut Vene and Blut Arterie at the same time. You need Blut Arterie to beat a Captain-class Shinigami with Bankai.

>>139610402
>Hitsugaya's fixation on height
>Byakuya constantly commenting on Hitsugaya's fixation on height

I actually like the new Byakuya. He's mellowed out considerably.

Okay, here's my prediction for how Ichigo beats Javalava: He's gonna use Bankai, Hollowfication and Vollständig all at the same time. And he'll probably look really stupid when he does.

Speaking of which, do you think we'll get to see Ishida's Vollständig?

>>139601458

But he's the guy who names the things.

What chucklefuck started calling it "bankai"?

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>>139605010

Well here is Kira and Aizen's trademark keikaku moon, and Aizen was quite randomly shown just one page before this one. I bet there is something going on with him

>>139613927
Ichibe, probably. Remember, he's the one who named everything in current Soul Society.

Ichibe probably achieved Shinuchi before he decided to call it "Bankai".

So what do you think Ichigo and Ishida's Vollstandig are gonna look like?

>>139581012
/thread

Zaraki and Yachiru are one in the same. They are the same entity split into two. Together they are "the sword of the Spirit King". Kenpachi being the "blade" and Yachiru being the "handle". A blade itself is still capable of devistating power, but with its proper handle its true potential can be released.

>>139614088
Kubo never forgets, anon. Unless its forgetting to draw on Kyoraku's eyepatch.

>Soul Society arc was centered around Rukia. Was pretty long and is the most popular of Bleach's arcs.
>Hueco Mundo/Aizen arc was strongly associated with Orihime, and again, it was pretty long.
>Fullbring arc was most-associated with Chad and was the shortest arc and least-popular arc of all.
>Thousand Year War arc is associated with Ishida and holy shit how the fuck long as this shit been going on now?

Why did Chad get the short end of the stick?

>>139613972
What exactly would Aizen be capable of planning while still in a chair, unless Kubo pulls some weird flashback or retcon bullshit to suddenly make him a master planner when he never really was to begin with?

Only explanation I can think of is him doing some kind of illusion or time perception thing.

>>139614431

No idea, but even Kira wondered how someone like him survived and how there was something going on.

Why would Kubo even seemingly kill him off and bring him back later if this is all he gets to do? Is he a popular character? Maybe he has some useful power and Aizen planned his revival and power up in advance

Or the moon is Aizen's bankai and it casts illusion upon everyone who sees it

I kinda wanted to see more of Shinji and Momo's relationship, and Rose and Kira's. According to Kubo, Rose and Kira suited each other very well.

My guess is Aizen will be freed from his confinement and will face off against Jewbach, probably have a fairly decent fight, and then end up losing in order to show how crazy powerful Jewbach is.

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>>139613639
nothing new

>>139580976
theyre not purebloods.

>>139580976

theyre not purebloods. ichigo however is. thats why he uses it.

>>139615865
>>139615924
idiots, both of you

>>139615924
Ichigo's not a pureblood. His mom was a Quincy but his dad isn't. He's a half-blood.

Ishida isn't a pureblood either, actually. His mom was only part-Quincy.

Ichigo and Ishida are the only two wild cards among the Quincy, as they're the only ones who aren't pureblooded yet survived Jowbow's cleansing.

>>139615865
>>139615924
Ichigo is the most mudblood muthafucka in this show
>"Dead" shinigami father
>Quincy mother
>Inner artificial super hollow
>Fullbring powers that only belong to humans

>>139616067
Wait, no, Karin and Yuzu are also wild cards, since they didn't die either. But Yuzu has very little spiritual power and Karin can't fight.

>>139616130
>>139616067
>>139616026

Take it from GrandFisher who is a part of the manga.

Reio was too unstable so he split into pieces physically and spiritually. hence the multiple worlds, multiple missing limbs and multiple races (quincy, shinigami, fullbringer, hollow etc).

>>139616462
yuzu HAD little spiritpower. she started developing it due to the events of Bleachs manga starting.

>tag team brocon shiniuincy sisters when?

>>139584880
Nah, you're just being stupid.

>>139592319
So strong that the only way to fight him is by preparing some bullshit to seal him/seal his powers.

So let me see if I understand this.

Ichigo is:
>The son of Shiba Isshin, meaning he is a direct-line descendant of a former Noble House of Soul Society, as well as the son of a former Captain of the Gotei 13. This makes him a Shinigami noble by birth.
>The son of Kurosaki Masaki, a pure-blooded Quincy and is therefore a direct-line descendant of Yhwach. This makes him a Quincy by birth.
>Inherited the power of White, an experimental artificial Hollow created based on a Shinigami's soul. This makes him a Vizard by birth.
>His mother was attacked by a Hollow before he was born, and thus Ichigo is a Fullbringer as well.
>Due to experimentation and extensive planning by Aizen, Ichigo has the potential to become a higher dimensional being, and has displayed that potential when he achieved the Final Getsuga Tensho.

Well shit, is there anything else we're missing? Let me guess, his great grandma was a vanguard of hell so he also has hell powers too, is that it? I mean, why the fuck not?!

>>139617370
>extensive planning by Aizen

You don't really think Aizen is a master manipulator do you anon? That "everything you've done plays into my hand" thing was just bullshit used to mess with people.

>>139617488
Well it's true that Aizen was hoping for Ichigo to become a being similar to himself and tried what he could to help things along in that manner.

>>139592319
He WAS strong enough to make aizen himself say ' i probably couldnt take you one-on-one'

>>139617370

see : >>139616501


Ichigo will bring everyone together. He already fucking has. He has quincy , arrancar, and fullbringers fighting together against a greater evil.

So Memories of Nobody was the only decent Bleach movie, right?

I thought Hell Verse would be pretty cool since it would expand on something that was only briefly touched on a long time ago, but it was kinda disappointing.

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>>139617818
I liked it.
The new form was kinda bullshit, but the premise, plot, and ending were pretty reminicent of the early Bleach arcs which I loved.

>>139614349
Funnily, this was "foreshadowed" in their respective debut episodes.
Rukia's debut is what started the series and she is the reason Ichigo actually became to get stronger. Soul Society arc was also the first real story arc.
Orihime's debut revealed that Hollows were humans and that many of them are tragic. The Arrancar Saga was all about Hollows. It introduced the Arrancar and showed how shitty their live is. It also featured Ichigo becoming a Hollow.
Chad's debut introduced hell. And like hell Chad is of equal importance and quickly forgotten. It's only current use is that we know it exists. The Fullbring arc was more about Ginjou than Chad.
Uryuu's debut expanded the world of Bleach a lot and it was what kickstarted the actual plot. Since Uryuu's game led to the Soul Society arc. The final arc is also the arc that expands the word the most. It is also the most important arc and the one with the most complex plot.

>>139617688
>Is a Shinigami, a Quincy, a Hollow and a Fullbringer
>Among his friends are Shinigami, a Quincy, Arrancar and at least two Fullbringers (Chad's a Fullbringer, right?)

So Berry is Bleach Jesus?

>>139615328
Kira didn't survive. Bazz-B killed him. Mayuri revived him as a zombie. Kira is the same as Bambietta. An undead zombie with a conscious and a free will. If the novel is canon then it has been implied that he used Szayel's studies for that. Because Kira is now basically the Shinigami version of a Menos.

>>139617818
Memories of Nobody is also the only movie that could be canon and possibly actually is.

>>139617555
By it ultimately lead to Aizen losing, and he didn't accomplish what he wanted.

>>139616580
Maybe because Karin got the Shinigami powers and Yuzu the Quincy powers. Shinigami powers seem to be more naturally learnable or passive while Quincy power seem to need active usage, which is if you have no clue. Maybe Yhwach's invasion to the world of the living or the epilogue will give us more on that. Ichigo will probably not be able to physically protect Karakura town in the future.

>>139619054
*hard

>>139618942
Aizen didn't totally grasp the nature of a true transcendental being. He thought all that was necessary to become one was to break the barriers between Hollow and Shinigami. He knew of Ichigo's Quincy ancestry but marked it as unimportant, which is why he lost because he was missing a major piece of the puzzle.

Man, remember all those Bleach fillers?

Who could forget the Bount arc, where something something something. I don't actually remember the details, but I do recall that there was a bird doll who wanted Ichigo's D.

And there was the, uh. The one with the loli princess who also wanted Ichigo's D. And a new captain whose sword was basically Wonderweiss.

And after that there was, shit, what was it? Something about all the swords becoming dudes and shit? Had a pretty baller opening sequence.

And finally, the one where a dude split himself into two things and one of them was a girl and actually had a pretty cool final fight. I actually kinda liked the girl.

>>139619189
Bount arc gave us Uryuu's mom and some foreshadowing/parallels for the final arc. Zanpakto Rebellion was actually a good arc. At least better than FKT. It gave us all these Zanpakto spirits, some that are even canon and some foreshadowing for future reveals.

>>139619315
Kubo was the one who designed all the the Zanpakuto spirits in the first place. Yes, even Zabimaru, despite it completely contradicting his original design.

It was cool and all, but that what's-his-face adopted Kuchiki was a shit villain.

>>139619315
Zanpaktou Rebellion arc was actually shit. The story was awful, the main villain was shit, the resolution to the arc was boring ambiguous bullshit, and as with most filler the episodes were filled to the brim with drawn out scenes and pointless developments.

The only decent part of the arc was after Muramasa was dealt with and all the shinigami were fucking around with their spirits.

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>>139619189
I remember liking them

>>139619391
Zabimaru didn't contradict his original design
In one of the Shinigami Zukan, Mayuri offers Renji a zanpaktou spirit change and it gives us the female Zabimaru

>>139619541
Well obviously that was the only cool part. That concept is the only reason anyone would ever give a shit about that arc in the first place.

>>139619391
Zambimaru's design is based on a omake, where Mayuri offered a sex-change for Zanpakto for Hisagi and Renji. Renji seemed quite interested and the alluded design looked like the monkey half. I think there was also some off-hand comment in the begining that mentioned all non-human Zanpakto regained a human form thanks to Muramasa.

>>139619830
You now realize Kenpachi's zanpaktou didn't materialize because it was already materialized

>>139619888
People ship in Bleach? I assumed the few people left just enjoyed reading Kubo's crazy shit.

>>139619946
Only common ship is Ichiruki
Urahara banging Yoruichi,Gin and Matsumoto's past are the other confirmed ones

>>139619946
Yeah but it's mainly Ichiruki/Ichihime faggots shitting up the threads as if anyone cares about their bullshit. If you want to trigger them just insist on the idea that RenjixRukia and IshidaxOrihime are canon.

>>139596100
Why didn't Ichigo ever actually learn to Cero again?

>>139620021
Ichihime is popular in the west for whatever reason. Ichiruki is the only substantial hetero pairing. I'm pretty sure that Yaoi shit is way more popular than any hetero ship.

>>139619946
Bleach is still one of the most popular manga and the majority genuiely still enjoys it. There is even a new musical coming out this summer. But shippers used to be a vocal minority here.

>>139620072
It's a worthless ability. It never does anything.
>>139620094
>used to be a vocal minority
>minority
Back in the day Bleach threads on /a/ were literally filled with Ichirukifags.

>>139620093
Ichihime is only populer in tumblr just like how NaruSaku was
And everyone remembers what happened to narusaku

>>139619189
Kageroza was kind of a cool villain. He wasn't some kind of all-powerful hyper-talented monster like Byakuya, Aizen or Ywhabch. In terms of talent and skill, he was actually even inferior to Ichigo, and had to make up for his shortcomings with convoluted plans and science. He was just a man who desperately wanted to prove himself, to prove his strength. That's probably why the final fight in that filler arc was so neat.

Ichigo was born with crazy amounts of talent and spiritual power. After all, it only took him three months to defeat a Gillian, achieve Shikai, defeat multiple Captains and Lieutenants and achieve Bankai. To top it all off, his ideology completely clashes with Kageroza's. To Kageroza, Ichigo's existence was probably the ultimate insult.

>>139619888
>I still live in 2007
Fuck off.

>>139619541
I saw parts of this on Japanese marathon livestream since I wouldn't watch any of this on my own accord

I liked the interactions Shunsui and Ukitake had with their Zanpakutos though I wasn't a fan of the raw design Shunsui's two had.

>>139619183
So he didn't realize that Ichigos mom being a Quincy may have had something to do with it? He had, like fifteen years to maybe figure it out before making his move didn't he?

>>139620183
>NaruSaku
Stop bringing up Naruto you faggot. If anything, it'd be the other way around.

>>139620021
Urahara never banged Yoruichi. Yoruichi spent the last 100 years in cat form. And she only showed affection when she is in cat form. Since Urahara needed to drug or date rape her for that...yeah they probably banged. Gin left Rangiku when they were children and kept this distance since then. While they were in love, there was never a relationship. There may have been if Aizen didn't interfere. Now Rangiku only has admirers in Hisagi and Tatsuki.

>>139620183
I like Ichiruki but it has a substantial following on Tumblr as well. Pretty much anything that has to do with shipping in any series is going to have a substantial tumblr following.

>>139601656
So was the Zangetsu we knew literally Ywach? Why would he help him get FGT at the risk of vanishing then?

>>139620184
>He wasn't some kind of all-powerful hyper-talented monster
Anon please, his shikai was broken Kyouraku's level

>>139620094
>Bleach is still one of the most popular manga

Even people in Japan don't seem to care for it anymore. From what I can tell it's seen as an afterthought over there and in the U.S. as well. The other two parts of the shonen trinity retained their popularity.

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>>139620276
Final Getsuga only got rid of his Shinigami powers as his Quincy powers were tied to his blood and not his spirit.

But even then Ichigo still had a Hollow living inside of him, so he would never really be devoid of power.

>>139620272
>Urahara never banged Yoruichi
>Believing this
She ditched soul soceity for Kisuke's dick

>>139620325
It still sells though, as much as discussion and enthusiasm around the internet has dried up

>>139620376
And spent her life completely as a cat and never talked to Urahara. When she first appeared in the manga was also the first time she and Urahara talked to each other in a very long time.

>>139620281
His Shikai was powerful, but he had little knack for fighting. Furthermore, he never achieved Bankai and his spiritual power was comparatively low. His swordsmanship skill is just plain inferior.

Compare to Ichigo, whose fighting skill grows exponentially the more he fights. He was never formally trained in swordsmanship, but his skill surpasses several Captains and he can even outfight Byakuya.

The moment Ichigo managed to counter Kageroza's Shikai, he completely dominated the fight. It was barely even a fight by that point, just Kageroza flailing bitterly while Ichigo easily countered everything that was thrown at him.

I'm about to start rereading Bleach from the beginning again, talk me out of it.

>>139620434
I thought it had low numbers compared to other ongoing and new manga.

>>139620325
Bleach still sells well and has good volume sales. It's not really as popular as it was in the height of the Arrancar arc but it still has a decent following. I mean it regularly ranks above Gintama for sales which got a new anime, so with any hope Bleach will as well.

>>139620472
Do it. You might catch little things one forgets over the time and other things that serve as explaination or foreshadowing. But just keep in mind that the translation varies greatly in quality.

>>139620465
> but he had little knack for fighting
He one shotted Kenpachi using Kenpachi.
That ability was broken
It made him immune to any projectiles and visible attacks
But Kageroza was a sloppy swordsman
Also im still angry they never explain how he was easily able to use Bakudou 99 with 0 effort

>>139620510
The anime ended at a good point

A new anime would have years of drudging through this long, long Quincy arc with interest likely drying up. The anime had plenty of filler to help alleviate fatigue but that would only stretch it out more.

It would be a significant undertaking to commit to continuing the anime and it may not be worth it in the eyes of the publisher

>>139620556
KITSUKI

So Chad's a Fullbringer, right? Was it confirmed that his mom was attacked by a Hollow before his birth?

What about Inoue? Does she count as a Fullbringer? Her hairpins seem to function more like a Zanpakuto, though.

>>139582831
Literally: "4chan was right. Yachiru was sword."

4chan is never wrong. Yeah, not even /pol/.

>>139621171
Chad is a Fullbringer.

Orihime is not. We don't really know what she is.

>>139621203
>Power is said to be similar to Hachigen's, a Vizard
>Limited time/space manipulation. Her power is basically rejection of certain actions or events.
>Her hairpin functions similarly to a Zanpakuto in the way that it has its own spirits born from Inoue's powers.
>Yet at the same time it functions similarly to a Fullbringer's weapon, as it's an item that Inoue's in constant contact with and has thus become the catalyst for her powers.

The fuck is this bitch?

>>139621541
God

>>139621541
She's the Soul Queen. Or princess. Or the leg.

>>139621541
The busty, submissive redhead Kubo wants in real life but settles for on paper

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>>139592151

yachiru could have been the soul kings zanpakuto

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>>139582831
It was foreshadowed for ages.

>>139591789

I thought most of the quincy weren't human. Or at least were sort of dead spirits, some of their backstories place them into the hundreds of years old territory, whilst others look like kids but could be any fucking age.

>>139620021
hetero garbage tier ships

>>139620472
How about... loving yourself.

>>139582831

Common theory for years but there's also a few questions I had.

>suddenly appears to him
>her own sword didn't have a verbal release
>he now operates on 'lol didn't call the name correctly, so you don't get full access' (yamichika) instead of 'so juiced up you can't seal it'.

So that bit about ichigo being like ken might be wrong, because we've NEVER seen someone who can't seal a sword, as per Isshin's statement all those years ago about there being no such thing as an unsealable sword.

>she's visible to everyone, no one notes about her relatively slow aging (ken's got to have been around for 50~ years)
>no one notes that her reiatsu is 'weird' in the 'she's not a shinigami way'

>>139582831
*yawn*
Boring as fuck.

>>139623225
In particular, it's strange that Ichigo can't seal his sword even though Kenpachi can. I dunno if Ichigo has way more spiritual power than Kenpachi does, but anyone can tell that Ichigo's control is better than Kenpachi's, even if they're both shit at it. If Kenpachi can seal his sword, then there's no reason that Ichigo can't.

So maybe Ichigo's current Zangetsu are actually in their sealed states. I mean, all Getsuga Tensho is is just focusing one's spiritual power into the tip of the sword, compressing it and releasing it. In theory, as long as Ichigo knows how to do it, he shouldn't necessarily need his sword. It's practically just a Cero.

>>139621541
>>139621668
The Chest of the Soul Queen

>>139623455
Isnt Sealing your Aschuchi a Shinigami trait?

And Kenpachi never 'sealed' his sword, he just never released it in the first place

>>139623734
Well he managed to seal it after releasing it.

Come to think of it, Ichigo never had an Asauchi to begin with. His sword just kind of popped outta nowhere. His current swords are different, though. They're legitimate Zanpakuto created using a legitimate Asauchi.

>>139623839
Yeh, But ichigo is like God status now anyway. instead of sealing his Zanpakto at lv 5 like everyone else he's at lv 9001 now. would be alot harder from someone who has specifically had bad controll over his power to begin with.

Few questions though. Why did Zangetsu/Juha give Ichigo compressed speed buff as a powerup? it seems to be kinda shit if the only thing your 'Bankai' does it make you faster when everyone else can keep up anway

>>139610402
uhh
Yoruichi's cat form (and ass)
Orihime's uniform
Ichigo's journey in the Soul King palace, (before he learned about his past)
Nel's appearance
Ichigo's knock-out with Orihime's head because of Kon
Hitsugaya's jokes and fixiation of heights
and some more

>>139624078
because the speed buff was symbolic of his quincy powers

>>139624078
It was never a proper Bankai. It's the result of Black Zangetsu letting out a bit of Ichigo's power will still holding the bulk of it back. It's probably more similar to Renji's Hihiou Zabimaru.

And Ichigo's Bankai has a number of benefits beyond just superspeed. He's also stronger, more durable and the sword itself is very solid. It also lasts way longer than normal Bankai, to the point where he can stay in Bankai form for months without getting tired. It's an extremely economical and efficient Bankai, well-suited for extended combat.

It's not very flashy, but it turned out to be pretty good for Ichigo. It's small and compact, allowing Ichigo to move as he pleases and it's usable in just about any situation. Compare to other Bankai, which are either too large, bulky, excessively energy-consuming (though that may not necessarily be a problem for Ichigo), double-edged swords, brittle, or just extremely inconvenient when there are allies around. Tensa Zangetsu was one of the few Bankai that had no drawbacks whatsoever. He had a hard time keeping up with it at first due to inexperience with it (he'd literally only had it for a few hours at most when he fought Byakuya), but by by the time he mastered his Vizard powers, it wasn't really an issue anymore.

>>139619888
Now post how to deal with rukia, and ichiruki shitposters. They cry muh porky boogeymen every thread they shitpost in.

>>139624167
Speedreaders anon, speedreaders.

>>139624461
One interesting thing about Ichigo's Bankai is that it never reverts unless Ichigo wills it to revert. Even if he's on the verge of death, even if he's unconscious, Tensa Zangetsu stays as Tensa Zangetsu until he deliberately turns it back. Compare to Renji's fight with Byakuya, where his Bankai forcibly turned back when he took too much damage. Also, some Bankai are too stressful to the user's body, so they can't use it if they're too injured. Ichigo can use his Bankai regardless of the condition he's in.

It's probably the most efficient Bankai in existence.

>>139624598
oooooorrrrrrr, it wasn't a real bankai.

>>139624598
>>139624461
I Thought Renji was just illiterate and bulk headed. thats why he struggled having a snake-baboon of a sword. it was compleatly conflicted within its self

>>139602193
Was it part of his master plan to hollowfy the captains all along?

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>>139624598

doesn't actually releasing a getsuga drain ichigos (unlimted tm) power?

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>>139615831
wow, since the beggining everybody wonders about her powers (not Chad's, but still Captain Kyoraku said he was very powerful)

That reminds me
>Ichigo's first Shikai resembled an incomplete blade

Was that supposed to be symbolic of how Black Zangetsu wasn't giving him full range of his power.

>>139624461
Thinking about it there was another tell that it wasn't a proper bankai. Bankai take permadamage in most cases. I've got no idea if Kubo's actually been drawing the damage to Zabimaru and Ikkaku's bankai but that's what Ouetsu said. Unohana must have known something was up when Ichigo told her that his bankai repairs itself overtime. You can only have something so exceptional before it has to be categorized as something else entirely.

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So is he dead or not?
Do I have to pour out a coffee in memory?

>>139625994
duh. Nig said his power is going to expand when he dies. His power expanded. Plus nel said she only sensed 4 people.

>>139625794
Tensa Zangetsu never actually took any damage prior to Jabba breaking it. His Bankai doesn't repair itself over time, just his coat. The coat is a part of the Bankai, but it's really just a meter that shows how much power he has left. It has no real effect on the power or effectiveness of the Bankai.

Unohana's reaction was due to the fact that despite having less than half of the coat left, his spiritual pressure was still comparable to that of a Captain's.

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Damn, I miss this
Will Isshin come back?
Will Kon be able to have serious moments again?
Will Ryuken appear and will Kubo explain why is he so strong and and why Uryuu survived?

>>139580976
because kubo can't do a coherent battle to save his life

>>139627701
It's simple really. Ywach is actually Ryuken being possessed by him. He's not around because he's already there.

Kenpachi's bankai loses it's hype when you know he'll still get destroyed by yhwach or haschwalth.

>>139627701

>Will Isshin come back?

Probably. Now that the living world is starting to feel side effects he'll probably hop on over to see what's going on and unveil his bankai.

>Will Kon be able to have serious moments again?

no

>Will Ryuken appear and will Kubo explain why is he so strong and and why Uryuu survived?

Maybe? It's probably something super simple, like he's from a branch of the royal family and something in Masaki would've made their child ideal, and now that's been passed to ichigo instead.

>>139628197
maybe it'll knock him out after he uses it, or it'll be one of those bullshit Bankai that needs very special and specific circumstances to be in play before its used

I'm hoping Kubo'll give Kenpachi a kido type Bankai for irony's sake. I mean, its not like he gives that much of a shit about Bleach anymore

inb4 Kenpachi's Bankai is two more Kenpachi's

How many Quincy are still in the fight against Ywach? Last I checked only Bazz-B, Liltotto and Gigi survived, and Bazz-B and Liltotto are down.

>>139623839
So Ichigo was using Chinese knockoffs of real Zanpakuto and no one ever noticed? I swear, for a society of people that have lived hundreds of years doing their jobs Shinigami absolutely suck balls at it

>>139628537
Uryu's still here fighting hashman

>>139626096
But Ichigo's coat doesn't burn or anything as he keep using his power.

>>139628729
Oh yeah, him. Nice, we're getting an Uryuu fight for the first tie in what...six or seven years? Damn, it'd better be good
jk, its going to end with Uryuu having some ancient Quincy relic that'll allow him to defeat or at least cripple hashbrown

>>139628712
Zanpakuto are made with hollows.
In Ichigo's case, his own hollow self manifested as his zanpakuto, I don't think it's different.

>>139628785
On its own, it's fine, but it can get torn in battle. How much it recovers itself is dependent on his remaining spiritual pressure.

Presumably, it exists because Ichigo would have a hard to gauging his own remaining spiritual power otherwise. Ichigo has a rough idea of how much spiritual power he has, but without an external meter, he'd probably completely forget about it. Like, he has so much spiritual power that under normal circumstances, he probably wouldn't pay it any mind.

So after the Quincy are beat will SS have any more real enemies? Think about it, their jobs are fucking done. Aizens gonna either die or get locked away after this arc, so no more arrancar and espada. And after the Quincy king is dead, the remainig Quincy'll be left with regular bows and arrows again, they'll never be as OP as they've been in this arc.

I'm actually sad that the captains who've trained so hard in the last few years will never have foes strong enough to test their shiny new Bankai and Shikai on

Why hasn't ichigo gone bankai. He used to use it so much he probably used it to do homework and chores. Now he doesn't use it.

Is it because the dual wield + old man "zangetsu" being gone means he's going to end up looking more like the real zangetsu? (sword limbed hollow that fought his dad)

>>139629242
No, it's because Ichigo revealing his new full power have to be the climax of an important battle. Old shonen logic.

>>139629022
that's how it's always been for Gotei 13. If you're already competent you shoot up the ranks super quick, and then rest on your laurels for a few centuries.

>>139629022
>implying SS itself won't be the final enemy
>Aizen dying

>>139629242
if Ichigo's power is the same as before he'd likely move to fast and zip past everyone, then get stuck fighting Yhwach alone

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>>139614431
>Aizen
>Not Master Planner

Since when were you under the impression that you could pick more than 1?

>>139627701
I miss Manga Rain and Ju-Ni

>>139614431
>stuck in a chair unable to hear, see, smell, or touch himself

the man can do nothing BUT plan.

>>139629242
Ichigo used to try to conserve his Bankai, but then he realized that his enemies were just too strong for that to work. All of the Arrancar Ichigo fought were Espada (or in Don Panini's case, former Espada). He probably could have beaten Don Panini without Bankai, but he couldn't protect Nel at the same time, so that's why he used Bankai. After that, he had to fight Grimmjow, then Ulquiorra, then Ichimaru, then Aizen, and none of them were opponents he could beat without Bankai. So that's why he spent pretty much the entirety of the Hueco Mundo arc in Bankai.

He's way stronger now than he was back then, and hasn't run into anyone he needed to use Bankai to beat yet. There was that lethal dose guy, but presumably Ichigo was disabled before he had a chance to fight back due to the way the guy's ability worked.

y'know complete non-existence is a pretty steep price to pay for something you have no real control over, does Ichigo ever confront Uryu about that, or do they jsut kind of ignore it? What happens to hollows killed by Chad?

Are we getting based Mayuri back or should I just be happy he got his time to shine this arc?

>>139630266
Well, Ishida doesn't really hunts Hollows that much anymore. He went overboard in his initial appearance, but these days, he only directly fights the ones that are deemed especially problematic by Urahara. Ishida understands the implications of a non-Shinigami killing a Hollow, so he probably only does it when necessary. During the period when Ichigo lost his powers, Imoyama was the local Shinigami on standby there, so I guess Ishida could have just incapacitated any Hollows he came across and waited for Imoyama to come and finish the job.

Kazeshini Bankai before this arc ends or I riot

>>139582831
>haters"Gremmy is proof that Kubo is creatively retarded and has no idea how to plan anything"

>fans"That fight made perfect sense and is well thought out if you just think about it. Gremmy's powers can only affect those with lower reiatsu than himself so he could not imagine Kenpachi was a cookie. Yachiru who is Kenpachi's sword obviously had lower reiatsu than Kenpachi and Gremmy so he turned her into cookie. Kenpachi then used his sword made of cookie to smash boulders."

It makes the past ever more beautiful.

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aw man! I'd love to see how Rangiku and Hitsugaya's reaction when Isshhin appears!
though I bet that they already know that he's Ichigo's father

How big is Soul Society and Hueco Mundo supposed to be?
Are they something like a continent level?

>>139631181
Dunno. I think Seireitei is supposed to be roughly the size of a small city, though. They both seem to be composed primarily of desert, which begs the question of where Soul Society's food even comes from.

>>139630925
>Isshin sees Toushirou again
>Isshin: "OHHH! TOUSHIROU! YOU'VE REALLY........GROWN SINCE I LAST SAW YOU!"
>Hitsu: "What was that pause just now?"

>>139630925

I've wondered that myself, how they're going to handle that.

When they stayed at Ichigo's house for that short time after the SS arc, they had to have run into him right? Maybe we'll get some flashbacks of that?

I don't watch the anime, but in the filler shit, did they fuck it up and have Isshin meet them face to face during this time?

I really want to see Isshin back, too. I'd love to see him go all out. Even against Aizen he didn't use his bankai.

>>139629499
Ichigo wasn't fast with his old Bankai. Only during the Byakuya fight, after that he was always slow as fuck. His Bankai was pretty much useless.

>>139631181
The Seireitei is probably around the size of new York or Tokyo, since Ichigo could make it to the center more or less in a day, but it was large enough for him to effectively hide for a night or two. Las Noches is probably much smaller, maybe the size of Manhattan. Soul Society and Hueco Mundo themselves likely stretch on forever or at least as wide as the living world and small communities pop up across them

>>139631570
Nope. Both Grimmjow and one of the Quincies he fights notes that his increased speed while in Bankai.

>>139624923
The caption for this colorspread was "cutting through time"
He cutted through Aizen.
Aizen bankai is time manipulation confirmed.

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>>139631703
And it was still inconsequential, it may increase his speed but nothing like during the Byakuya fight. Never again after that. He was always on par with or slower than his enemies.

>>139631851
Moving that fast was very bad for him, since it put tremendous stress on his body.

Also, look closely at Ichigo's battles since then. A lot of the time, it's Ichigo zipping around all over the goddamn place while his enemies stand still and counter him. Grimmjow and Ulquiorra in particular fought this way at first. They didn't start keeping up with his speed until after they used their Resurreccions. Grimmjow's Resurreccion explicitly increases his speed as well, which would allow him to move on par with Ichigo's Bankai. Ulquiorra's Resurreccions sent him above and beyond Ichigo's then-level, which would also increase the speed of his Sonido. Aizen's just a monster. Ichigo's Bankai increases his physical strength as well, but Aizen was able to easily stop his blade with a finger the first time.

>>139631486
They didn't stay at Ichigo's though. They tried to and Ichigo said no. Isshin could have been out at the time.

>>139631181
Earth size, even Seireitei's gates are a 10 day walk apart.

>>139631851
To be fair Byakuya was severely underestimating Ichigo in that fight and his heart wasn't in it since he was defending an act of the Seireitei he didn't agree with. By the time he starts really fighting Ichigo's speed isn't a huge factor and just let's him keep up rather than overwhelm. There's no one genuinely faster than Ichigo until maybe Ulquierra but for the most part Ichigo's issue is not being able to hit hard enough

>>139631851
This could easily just mean that his enemies got faster and instead of drawing blur lines everywhere Kubo just drew them normally clashing. Grimmjow and Ulquiorra were definitely super fast.

I mean it's hard to gauge in that fight because Byakuya was standing still for most of it. So anything is going to look insanely fast by comparison.

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>>139582831
aka I was hiding my true powers

>>139632125
Byakuya was able to keep up because Ichigo's bones started breaking from the pressure, not because he was as fast.
>>139632162
Either way, his overwhelming speed being his main strength became way less of a factor after the Byakuya fight.

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>we'll never see these qts again

>>139624598
Or, they have completely forgotten about reverting his bankai altogether, you never know anon

>>139632547
Shina never even got a full name, or any good porn. Mad as hell about that.

>>139580976
Blut is just a passive offense/defense buff they can switch between. They HAVE been using it all this time. Did you think they weren't just because they didn't say "Wow, thanks to my Blut Vene, I was able to survive that attack that otherwise would've been lethal, I'm so glad that I have and appropriately use this convenient ability of mine"
Shinigami offense and defense is based on their reiatsu, but Quincy have no reiatsu (they have reishi manipulation instead, which Blut is a form of) as well as bodies with human limits (Askin is a special case since his Schrift is all about lethality) so they need some excuse to not fall apart like wet paper when up against a captain-level opponent - Blut is just that.
>>139615865
>>139615924
Did you guys even read the manga?
>they're not purebloods
Yes, they are. Bach killed off all the non-purebloods in the Auswahlen other than Ishida - a fairly big deal was made about Ishida surviving despite his mixed blood status.
Of course, there are certain exceptions like Pernida who as a limb of the soul king isn't a pureblood quincy, but that's besides the point.
>ichigo however is
As the son of a hollow-infected quincy and a shinigami in a gigai, Ichigo is decidedly not a pureblood. An ambiguous one-off line from Grand Fisher doesn't contradict the firmly-established major plot point of Ichigo's parentage.

>>139632572
or enough screentime for anons to know her name is Shino

What's Ichigo's next power-up going to be?

>>139632672
He hasn't shown off his new Bankai yet, so that.
He's also half Quincy, so expect a Vollstandig.

>>139632672
Mugetsu was akin to Letzt Stil in that it was unstable and made Ichigo lose his powers
His next powerup could very well be be akin to Vollstandig, the "new and improved" Nazi-style version of Letzt Stil
I'm guessing Black Getsuga wings, a swastika halo, and dual-wielding Tensa Zangetsu-esque blades

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>>139632775
he's just going to become Ulquiorra

>>139597879
So the soul king was probably a quincy and thats why quincies are so pissed?... maybe

If hollows are mexican, quincy are german, and shinigami are japanese, then who are the Americans?

>>139633174
>implying americans have their own language
"English but wrong" doesn't count

>>139621541
Hachigen was a kido vc in soul society.

Tessai was a kido captain in soul society and also has been shown to be able to use space time manipulation suchas stopping time and teleportation.

Her powers are most likely related to a kido

>>139597061
Bleach is about asspulls.

>>139633174
Xcution had an english theme (apparently) so probably that, otherwise you just get whatever your families from. I bet Native Americans turn into wolves or birds some shit.

>Royal guard stronger than all of ss combined
>3 out of 4 gets soloed by one elite without transforming
>Each elite is getting soloed by individual vice captains even after transforming

>>139621541
My initial guess was gonna be a a race of humans the opposite to Fullbringers. But as the anon said here >>139621541 that actually might be the case later on.

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>>139633436
well meme'd my friend
>>139633498
I still want more information on Komamura's tribe and their relationship with the SK

>>139632019
Wasn't Ichigo weakened when he tried to strike Aizen?

>>139633664
What? Lethal Dose guy had to be softened up by Yoruichi before Urahara and Grimmjow managed to take him down with a bit of tactical thinking. And they'd have died anyway except Nel was around to save them. Chicken dude was softened up by the Captain Commander's Bankai before being defeated by a Liutenant's asspull sword that just happened to be perfectly ideal for the situation. And that didn't even finish him off, he just fell down to Soul Society and started wreaking havoc. Giant guy took down a bunch of dudes on his own and is overwhelming fucking Kenpachi and Byakuya (and also Hitsugaya, but you don't need to be special to overwhelm him). Hand almost managed to beat Kenpachi, Kurotsuchi and Nemu before he got imploded by Nemu's asspull super-regen after eating her.

Incidentally, of the Royal Guard, only one is listed as one of the five Special War Potentials, and Ichigo and Kenpachi are ranked higher than Ichibei. Ichibei didn't even fight the elites, and was instead defeated directly by Yabbadabba himself. All five Special War Potentials (Ichigo, Kenpachi, Ichibei, Aizen and Urahara) considered to be more dangerous than even Yamamoto, or the entire rest of the 0 Squad.

>>139632162
I've argued this a ton of times here about how once Byakuya started trying Ichigo's speed was worthless.
Anons are so exhausting to argue with but it's nice to see someone who agrees for once.

>>139629552
>>139629630
He's really not though, and tons of other shonen villains are better at planning. He just pulled a nice guy gambit and then kyoga suigetsu'd his at through any other time he was outplayed by his enemies.

The "master manipulator" thing is probably just a meme parodying how invincible and lucky Aizen is.

Ok, so, after years upon years upon years of discussion (essentially 6 to 7 years) on /a/, I've finally decided to give bleach a try. I've pretty much avoided all spoilers by avoiding any and all bleach threads or discussions about bleach.

I've been on /a/ since 2008, and have been here for pretty much every season, and still never managed to watch bleach.

Reason being, One Piece / Naruto "big 3" labels are kind of offputting.

Please, please tell me byakuya isn't gonna turn into a bad guy.

Byakuya is so fucking cool. And also, how the fuck in any way does bleach qualify as a member of the big 3?

Holy shit, this anime is fucking amazing...the music...the music is so goddamn good..

Please tell me byakuya gets some spotlight, Im on the episode where ichigo and byakuya are fighting on that cliff thingy.

>>139634548
>and have been here for pretty much every season
Since 2008*

>>139634548
Get out of this thread and read the manga

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>>139634548

>>139634548
Oh and also, do Chad and the quincy and that one girl with the hairpins get any upgrades to their powers?

Please, don't spoil shit TOO heavily. I just wanna know so I stop fucking worrying about whether they're gonna fucking die around the next corner.

It seems like everyone is on the verge of death in this anime. It's leaving me fucking anxious and frustrated. Is this REALLY normal shonen writing? I just pre-judged it based on past opinions about how horrible the big 3 were, and I just assumed that this was another one of "those" shows.

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>>139634740

>>139634740
Avoid fillers. They are useless and will only confuse you.

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>>139634652
It's not bait, I'm dead serious.

For instance, I haven't seen K-on. I know there's instruments. That's it. I've avoided every thread. Same with bleach.

Although you could ask me anything about Slayers or Haruhi or Black lagoon and I'd be able to answer promptly.

Bleach simply isn't one of them. I literally started marathoning it, two days ago.

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When is best girl coming back?

>>139634808

Right senpai.

I did my homework.

Bleach FILLERS:
33 49-50 64-109 128-137 147-149 168-189 204-205 213-214 227-265 230-265 287 298-299 303-305 311-342 355

Is that correct? Naruto and One piece are notorious for having fillers, so I assumed bleach had some and it does. I can't torrent that many episodes anyway, so skipping them is essentially unavoidable.

>>139634792
What did I do? You're acting surprised for what reason? I could react the same way if you admitted you'd not seen YKK or Pani Poni Dash, or some other recognized anime. Is it really THAT surprising? Or is it the fact that someone has the balls to admit it and ask questions that's really the surprising part?

>>139634848
Byakuya becomes a protagonist at the end of the arc and gets a handful of fights from that point on.

Chad/Ishida/Orihime get minor upgrades to their powers in the next arc with brief windows to shine. But Orihime becomes a big character in the next arc.

There consider me baited.