Why do a lot of people hate mecha anime?

Because 99.99% of them are garbage, especially Gundam. Glorified Toy Commercials.

We don't hate them, we just generally don't care and find the general aesthetic of them to be off putting. Then things like Gundam's pseudo continuity/Macross' idolshit etc. just act signs to keep out and leave it to the bunch it does appeal to.

I thought /a/ liked giant robots

Gundam Wing and it's children

>>138949389
Pretty much that.

And it doesn't help that most mecha anime looks the same.

>>138949377

The one in the OP is just a mix of bad writing, direction, and action. I find people liking it shocking.

>>138949377
Because most people only watch animu for cringy teenagers trying to "find love".

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>>138949377
Do powersuits count as mecha?

>>138949377
Used to dislike it but now I am alright with them.

>>138949687

Yes, and Bubblegum Crisis sucks.

I don't care if it's /co/, that MEGAS XLR from the early 00s was the only good mecha show and it was a parody.

>>138949687
No.

>>138949568
Best gundam of the serie.

>>138949377
Mecha anime is awful and the people who watch it hold it to an entirely different(lower) standard than most because it's usually shit and their plots about the worst government and military representations in fiction are "serious war stories that're better than your moeshit" when they don't even know what moeshit is.

>>138949508
I actually watched macros for the idolshit.

Mechs can be fun, but it always seems a bit silly for me.
>Oh our giant space defense cannons can't harm them! Send out the mech!

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>>138949377
Because they only want to watch annoying high school shits doing high school shit.

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>>138949708
>Bubblegum Crisis sucks.

I bet you think eva is better, fag

>>138949708
Eh, I can't disagree, but I have to admit the original series had its charm. Tokyo 2040 was just horrendously dull, to the point that even the dub managed to improve on it purely by giving the characters a facade of an actual personality.

>>138949712
Proof that /co/ckroaches have permanent shit tast

I don't hate mecha but I do hate CGI. It's tougher getting into a genre when there's no contemporary reference points. I'll watch Macross one day but for now it's just another name on the backlog.

>>138949377
Most of /a/ hates mecha because they only watch shit like IBO.

>>138949856
I thought we agreed all mecha is shit. Besides, megas was a parody.

>>138949809
>I have to admit the original series had its charm

It does, but it's nearly ruined by crap writing and at times shit choreography. Never expected to be so bored while watching it.

Because they have awful taste and like to pretend their shows are better. Plot is not and has never been a strong point for anime of any kind. People who actively avoid shows with mecha in them have simply deluded themselves to believe this isn't true. You only get a Katanagatari every few years. It's better if you can actually enjoy the Symphogear you get in between instead of writing everything off like it's a Gundam AU.

Not like you won't be watching a seiyu-centric moe series anyway. Might as well watch something with cool mechanical designs an some fight scenes. Daily reminder NNB was considered AOTY unironically.

Reminder that shows with cute girls sitting around drinking tea and eating cake is boring as fuck.

>>138950159
/v/ pls go

>>138950106
>You only get a Katanagatari every few years.

You implying this shit is exemplary in some way? Get out.

>>138950174
>/v/ pls go

He's right you know

>>138950196
/v/ pls

pls

>>138950159
This is a moe only board, we hate serious anime with a story. Go back to /v/.

>>138950106
>here is a baseless statement
>let me had that people who try to refute this baseless statement are in denial

I bet you never lost an argument

>>138949941
Bubblegum Crisis in general feels like something that had potential to be pretty damn good, but never bothered to pick up on that. Like I said, the aesthetic of the original series was pretty damn good, and taking that and making it into a properly structured series, ala what 2040 attempted (and failed at), is something that could definitely work.

Otherwise, yeah, I unfortunately have to dump it along with Devil Hunter Yohko into the basket of "pre-Sailor Moon girl sentai fluff".

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>>138949389
I wish, where's my fucking Einharjer plamos Bandai

>>138949377
Because actual mecha series are shit, the only good in the last five years is Fafner

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>>138949389
This. Its not that I hate Mechs themselves. TTGL is one of my favorite anime. Its just that most other shows with mechs are shit.

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>>138949377
Because there's nothing good about humanoid mechs.

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>>138950246
WHERE'S MY TYPE ZERO?

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I love mecha but mecha died after the small super robot comeback in the 90s. There's only like 3 I've enjoyed post-2000
Overman King Gainer, Kotetsushin Jeeg, and Shin Mazinger Z-hen.
Tetsujin (2004) was good too but not because of the mecha.

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>>138950219

>not liking giant robots punching each other for the hell of it
>citing 'it's not realistic' as one of the reasons
>likes cute girls that are actually anthropomorphic squids, autistic two-faced spoiled brats or random girls with animal parts stuck on with no real character-defining traits other than generic cuteness

>>138950321
Not like that design is much better. Completely off-center guns like those will generate a stupid amount or torque and momentum, and it won't fit anywhere due to being so fucking wide.

>>138950406
>not liking both

Both opposites are as bad as each other

>>138950200
You gotta rework your priorities if looking at fake samefaced girls drinking tea and eating cake once a week and posting on a Ethiopian potato farming imageboard is something so dear to you.

>>138950415
>a machine being probably +10 tonnes
>worried about recoil from a shitty gatling

>>138949377
Because they are a blatant rip off the transformars series.

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>>138950406
>>138950448
This is why Robot Girls Z is the greatest mecha anime ever made.

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>>138950227
>Like I said, the aesthetic of the original series was pretty damn good

Too bad the narrative is bogged down by repetition, poorly set up conflicts, and shitty payoff. Man, that opening sequence. The setting can be called out as pretty derivative, but the mishmash of elements is very appealing.

>>138949389
First post, shit post.

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I don't hate it, I hate Japan's annoying generic mecha garbage they keep putting out.

Give more Valveraves.

How many shows from before the year 2000 has /a/ seen? I feel like people say they know anime but have never seen the OG Macross, Votoms, Zambot, or even 0079. A lot of the 1970s MOTW isn repetitive but they all have some special, too.

>>138950368
Read pic related a few weeks back and I was really surprised by how much i enjoyed it. Also surprised to see that much TTGL in it, i mean I know it referenced Getter Robo and other classics but I didn't know the extent.

>>138950406

Real robot and super robot are bullshit catergoreos. The original Gundam has a lot of super robot qualities and Gunbuster and Eva have mass produced military machines.

>>138950525
I'm pretty sure a lot of /a/ has seen at least SDF Macross and 0079.

>>138950525
Not a lot of anons on /a/ have seen anything before the year 2000 outside of anime like EVA, few here were alive at the time to remember anything before the 90s.

>>138950559

TTGL is a fucking super robot fanfiction. Watch Xabungle and other stuff if you want to get the reference

>>138950582

Bullshit.

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>>138950512
>Give more Valveraves.
Fuck off Lelouch. Also Sunrise puts out plenty of train-wrecks like VVV.

>>138950368
Getter Robo Go was a fucking ride. I still wish the saga would somehow get adapted as a 70+ episode anime series with Go as the main focus. Tie up the loose ends and you've got the best mecha anime in ages.

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>>138950321
Giant mechs in general are bad.

Tank power.

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>>138950559
>I know it referenced Getter Robo and other classics but I didn't know the extent.
People weren't memeing when they said TTGL was practically a Getter Robo rip off.

>>138950568
No they aren't. Real robots operate within well defined rules in their setting. Original Gundam didn't pull out a new power out it's ass when it was losing every arc or so. If you're referring to their power sources they nearly always are well defined in the setting with what they can or cannot do. Super robots like Getter or TTGL get powerups when the pilots scream loud enough. They pull out new moves without getting new equipment most of the time.

>>138949389
but literally 99.99% of all anime is garbage.

>>138950686
Which one anime is the actually good one then?

>>138950607
They are considered essential watches and get decent amount of threads every now and then.

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Eureka Seven has to be one of the best mecha anime series. If you don't count AO and the film, it's pretty solid.

Just ignore the asspulls at the end of it, the film, and ao.

>>138950686
>99.99% of all anime is garbage

1-5 percent would be more accurate.

>>138950767
Anime in the last 5 years have nearly all been the same samefaced moeshit garbage though.

>>138950803
>>>/v/

>>138950666
My car goes faster the louder I scream. Why wouldn't mechs?

>>138950835
>Get out of my safe place!

>>138950803
>Anime in the last 5 years have nearly all been the same samefaced moeshit garbage though.

I've only been watching stuff from the 90s and early 2000s. The art style seemed better then

Most mecha shows don't interest me because of:
>mecha are dumb
>shows don't pander to my fetishes
>arr rook same

>>138950847
Is your car red and has a huge spoiler?

>>138950873
Yes actually. But it's not the car you'd think.

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>>138949377
People who like mecha anime are people who like to self insert or car enthusiasts at least ninety percent of the time. This isn't for people who like one or two mecha anime. This fact is for people who like lots of mecha anime. Out of all anime fans I'd put my money down that mechs fans drive a lot more Manuel cars or own more motorcycles than non mechs fans.

>>138950917
Probably because they have a job so they have money to spend on personal transportation.

>>138950847
Is your car conscious? Does it tell you to close your eyes and believe? Has it swallowed a ducatti?

>>138949377
>Valvrave, Cross Ange, M3, Captan Earth, G-Reco, Gargantia, Aquarion Evol, Aldnoah Zero, Nobunaga the Fool, Comet Lucifer
I don't know, it's not like most mecha anime is garbage nowadays.

>>138950917
This is especially true for pilots.

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>>138950917
I don't even know how to drive a manual.

>>138950917
Is self-inserting a joke? I don't understand how anyone can do that. Wouldn't you get some kind of dissonance when the character does something you wouldn't do? But i suppose thats where the term "self-insert" characters come from, characters who aren't presented divisive choices.

>>138950699
you know there is more than 1000 anime, right?
If I remember correctly, we have broached 15,000

>>138949377

Because they think go-nagai's robots are outdated crap.

>>138951008
I'm not saying it's a bad thing annon. I do it.

>>138950917
Fans of mechs anime will most likely have owned at least one racing game in their life if not many.

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>>138950917

Manual transmission master race, reporting in.

>>138951097
They are also the kind of people who would go to settings and change the transmission to manual.

>>138951040
You can into math, right?

>>138951097
I like mech but I don't like racing games :v

>>138951008
You can literally become the character in your own mind.
People roleplay as demonic, sadistic characters in shit like D&D all the time.

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Best mecha movie of the year.

And yes, tanks are mecha.

>>138951145
yeah, because glancing at a number on an anime viewing site is math.

>>138951109
I've never actually driven a manual myself. Can you give a serious and honest answer about the advantages and drawbacks of driving stick.

>>138949377
It's not as much hate as it is indifference which is kinda understandable.
In fact, aren't you the one who would need to justify seeing giant robots as such a fascinating concept that everyone should care for it?

>>138951165
There's a difference between role play and self inserting. Role play is where you pretend to be another person. Self inserting is where the character is supposed to be a representation of the viewer and acts similar to them.

>>138951216
>I don't know percentages
God, you're stupid.

>>138951155
Do you like cars? Airplanes? Helicopters? Motorcycles? Did you buy titanfall? Are you a gamer? Do you drive manual? Are you into military things? Like guns? If you like at least five mecha anime and Evangelion don't count you would 100% fit into at least three of these categories if not you're a big fat liar. This test has never failed.

>>138951241
Then what is it called when the viewer becomes the character, and not vice versa?
I used to do it all the time when I was a newfag years ago. I just called it self-insertion.

>>138951267
That's delusion. Get yourself check out, mate.

>>138951226
Control and it's fun.

>>138951252
like is a vague word.

>>138951267
If you mean the viewer pretends to be the character it's called roleplaying.

>>138951248
Oh, I see. Missing a single zero is your linchpin, is it?

>>138951252
I'm a mecha fan and I fit literally into every single one of these categories.

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>there are those into anime but never mecha

You guys just hate fun or what?

>>138951252
Half of those fall into the same categories though.
People who like planes probably like helicopters and military because of how intertwined they are.
Similarly gamers usually like violence thus military and guns, and thus probably planes and helicopters as well.

>>138951326
>I can see numbers!
That isn't math, you retard. Go through middle school and come back once you learn percentages.

>>138951375
Not him but statistical analysis is math.
Whether or not he did any of that is another point, but percentages are math based.

>>138951057
Good for you I guess, I simply can't entertain the thought

>>138951252
I only hit two of those criteria, and that's being broad. But at the same time I am definitely into Mecha as a genre.

It's a bit disingenuous to claim that nobody has failed the test yet call anybody who fails the test a liar. That's to be expected

>>138951226
Drawbacks include making you want to kill yourself in heavy traffic. Another plus is that Americans don't drive stick as much. So people are less likely to steal your car if its manual. At least in the US

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>>138951226

Honestly? I've been driving manual ever since I learned to drive. I'd imagine that I'd start crashing into things if I tried to into auto.

You can control your pace more easily with manual transmission.

>>138950803
Prove it, /v/-kun.

>>138951350
Exactly the point is Mecha fans are easy to spot if you know that a certain person is into anime in the first place. They are a certain type of person. I someone told me they like anime I could figure out if they like mecha based on what they drive or their hobbies. This isn't a bad thing because you can group a lot of anime fans in different ways.

>>138951211
>Tanks=/=Mecha
Trust a moefag.

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There's a heavy sort of barrier for many non mech fans. A lot of mecha tend to be very self referential and constantly make allusions to previous mech works and old Japanese media in general, partly because a lot of the people who still regularly make mech shows are pretty old industry vets. A a result a lot of people just don't "get" mecha to be frank. Only Code Geass and Gurren Lagann managed to join two completely different generations together and that was 10 years ago.

>>138951445
I like almost all of those and hate mecha. Your categories apply to nearly everyone on 4chan given almost everyone here likes vidya which leads into the other categories.

>>138951445

The only way you can spot a mecha fan is whether if they gunpla or not. Nothing more.

>>138951417
I love never had a problem with this but then again I live in Utah.

I'm not a mecha fan but Schwarzesmarken fits well to my taste.
I mean you barely get an mc banging his imouto after all.

>>138951375
the hell are you even talking about? can you not follow a conversation? maybe you should go back to school.

I said 99.99% of anime is shit, you said
>'Which one anime is the actually good one then?'
which means you think that 00.01% of anime means one single anime, meaning you think there is a total of 10,000 anime all together. can you not understand percentages?

>>138951481
That's solid, I would say collecting models in general but yeah that's a strong line in the sand that I can agree with.

>>138951449
>The word "mecha" (メカ meka) is an abbreviation first used in Japanese of the word "mechanical".
>In Japanese, mecha encompasses all mechanical objects, including cars, guns, computers, and other devices,
>and the term "robot" (ロボット robotto?) or "giant robot" to distinguish limbed vehicles from other mechanical devices.

>>138951452

>A lot of mecha tend to be very self referential and constantly make allusions to previous mech works and old Japanese media in general
>using TTGL as an example, when it copies most from Shin Getter Armageddon

Try put up something non-mainstream as an example, will you?

>>138951479
you can like all of those and hate mecha i didn't say you can't. I said if you like mecha you guaranteed like at least three of those or you're a big fat liar.

>>138951252
Sorry m8 but your test doesn't work. I only like 2: airplanes (and only fighters, I couldn't care less about regular planes) and I'm a gamer.

Is this the thread where we circlejerk about how superior our tastes are for not liking thing?

>>138951252

But I don't like cars, planes, copters, motorcycles unless they can transform. What now, einstein?

>>138951552
That's a pointless statistic then. I could say the same thing with moe or fantasy anime and it'd still hold true.

>>138951486
Getting stuck in a traffic jam is the worst. Shifting between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd every minute for as long as the traffic jam is

Original Gundam, Zeta, 8th MS team > Gundam 00 == Schwarzesmarken > IBO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valvrave == Aldnoah >>>>>>>>>>>> Code Geass, other pretentious mecha shit and any other Gundams.

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>>138951641
That's some fine shit taste you have there.

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>>138950666

It got its head shot off and arm and then saved its pilot by heroically stumbling forward and sacrificing itself.

Nothing is either purely real or super.

VOTOMS is totally real except for Wiseman and his plot armor

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>>138951545
So were you born retarded or did you work to get this good?

Reread the post dumbass, I said Gurren Lagann and Geass were the only two shows that managed to unite two generations together. That means it had things that both generations could enjoy, the reason newbies could get into it was because it did not feel completely foreign to them but older people could still enjoy it because of like you said allusions to Shin Getter Armageddon and other old shows.

And why the hell would I use something non-mainstream as an example of "mecha shows that were popular with everyone"?

>>138951641
hey gargantia isn't bad

>>138951641

>being a gundamfag
>no Ideon
>no G Gundam

Confirmed doesn't like fun.

>>138951641
Zeta is awful garbage and so is 8th MS Team.

>>138949377
It has to do with personal taste and that the most of the kids nowadays don't seem impressed with the concept of giant robots, they just want something that just "feel" realistic for them. My best friend don't like mechas because they aren't realistic, but still he love battlefield 4, counter strike and watch the "too deep" animes like shingeki no kyojin, tokyo ghoul, etc.

>>138951680
Why? Aldnoah lacked enough eggs for Inaho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9h7dsmO38c

>>138951641
But Victory is better than IBO
And 8th MS for that matter, sure the art/animation is nice but it simply isn't interesting or compelling.

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>>138950588
>>138951420

But you see SRW and want to know who the characters are, right?


You aren't that into 2D anime girls that nothing else matters, right?

>>138951683

The only reason why TTGL managed to attract new generations is due to it being Gainax. Nothing about it having groundbreaking method of storytelling of a mecha series.

>>138951434
Fuck, look through the catalogues. They're either
>Stuck in a video game world
>Reincanated into a video game sort of world
>Slice of life dramas
Or some combination of the above with a few exceptions.

>>138951736
I'm a mechafag and TTGL is shit.

So why SHOULD people like mecha?

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>>138951705

Victory is so underrated.

08 MS Team has bullshit like spider-gouf rapelling off airplanes and the magical plot armor Ball, yet people think it's realistic for some reason. Also, the most half baked love story in all of mecha.

>>138951768
I'm also a mechafag and I like ttgl.
guess opinions are like assholes; sometimes they are shitty.

>>138951705
Anything is better than IBO at this point, even the first season/generation of SEED and AGE were better.

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Hey, you guys seem cool enough. Can we talk about mecha with hot yuri and Cthulthu?

>>138951681
It getting it's head and arm shot off then stumbling forward could be just a product of circumstance framed as such. It's not like it ripped Amuro out of it's chest and flung him somewhere safe like Lagann did.

>>138951748
There are no shows about being stuck or reincarnated in a video game this season, as far as I am aware.

>>138951736
It also had the "MC is super cool, smart, and special!" and waifubait that a lot of popular anime has these days.

>>138950649
Nope, tanks can't Mawashi Geri.

>>138951821
>What is Konosuba
Granted it's a parody, but still.

I think part may be that mecha are too realistic now. They're very much in the realm of possibility that the idea is just stupid. Before hand it was galactic travel level stupid which made it fun, now it's hovercraft stupid.

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>>138951780

Giant robots are an expression of man's fighting spirit.

They can tell both realistic and happy stories. They're cool.

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>>138951793
>There are people who like IBO
>There are people who will like IBO more than 0079

>>138951864
Mecha can't and won't be realistic until a huge paradigm shift in technology occurs. Right now there's nothing a tank can't accomplish just as well or better than a 20 meter tall mecha in the current field of war for cheaper.

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>>138951816

Also, Kamille making a huge beam saber using his mind or Judau reassembling the ZZ using his mind and then telling the world to cut it out, or Amuro stopping Axis.

Total realism!

>>138951793
>Nihilist Char
>Lack-of-any-plot-relevance Clyne
>Jesus Beamspam Yamato
>Better
IBO isn't gonna win any writing awards but it's still better than that shit.

Have you guys ever heard of the "War Guilt" plan and why mecha are always present when depicting war?
Muv-Luv guy explained it here http://siliconera.com/2015/10/30/koki-yoshimune-on-making-muv-luv-characters-lovable/

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>>138951905

How about Patlabor?

>>138951931
Z and ZZ were using newtype powers, which while they aren't exactly realistic weren't really part of the mech's specifications other than the biosensor allowing the mech to react better to the pilot. It's more of how badly newtype powers were defined.

>>138951956
>After the Pacific War, the implementation of the “War Guilt” plan made it impossible for anyone to talk publicly about war. This restriction has continued for over 60 years, and the only choice for creative media to discuss war outside of manga and novels is just through robot anime.

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>>138951888

They aren't just an expression, they're a SYMBOL of it.

>>138951888
But why do you need robots for that?

>>138951681
That still has nothing to do with if it is real or super robot. The standard and main difference between real and super is that in real robot mechas are seem as normal machines with ammo. And remember that you are still watching an animated fiction work were plot armor and heroic like things will always happen because the director said it.

>>138951905
Stop with the bullshit. Tanks are backed by a huge industry. Mechas are not.

>>138951959
A forklift would carry shit around just as good, and tanks can and will carry shit more efficiently than robots ever will because they don't have to lift a leg up and plod it down every time it takes a step. Having a mecha that imitates a human's movements means a ton of moving parts, which in turn means tons of maintenance and other logistical issues.

>>138951973

A large amount of psyco waves attract minovsky particles.

>>138951931

Kamille consciously channeling his power into ZZ/Judau all the way from Earth is one of the craziest newtype thing in ZZ.

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>>138951944

At least Seed had more than two mecha designs and they were distinct from each other.

I like Grazes, but holy fuck are they being rammed down our throat.

Also, they go out of their way to avoid mecha battles. At least Fukuda loved goofy super robot stuff and wrote in as much as possible, even if he couldn't write a good story for his life.

>>138951998

Newtype stuff isn't supposed to be defined. It's basically human potential.

>>138949377
Because it's gay as fuck.

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>>138952060

Is that bad?

>>138952030
I liked the fights in IBO more because of the lack of stock footage and how gritty it feels. The lack of spinning and aerial maneuvers made the fighting more grounded in actual fighting as well. Fights in Seed once Kira got the Freedom were basically
>Turn on the fancy targeting computer
>Take out all the grunts' weapons so they can go home early
>Deal with the druggies until they suffer withdrawal symptoms.

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>>138952104

You will never get wet with Heero Yui

Let's be honest Seed and destiny were the best gundam shows. Character development, gundam development. A main hero who wasn't unbearable and a main heroine that wasn't a useless pile

>>138952020
see>>138952024
A mecha is more expensive to operate and maintain because they are much more complicated machines. Tanks have been the warhorses of modern militaries for the past century for a reason.

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>>138952024
>ton of moving parts
>tons of maintenance

>>138952114
Is there any difference in budget? I'd like to think Seed's battles wouldn't have used cuts if made today

>>138952163
>Whoops, the screw that's holding the piston in my trigger finger's loose, now I can't fire my weapon
>Crap, the knee joint's rusty, now my mech has to limp to the battlefield
>Dammit, the shoulder and the waist is stuck, now I have to walk around to aim the rifle.

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>>138952114

But the action is too short and it's not well animated.

The original Gundam had god tier fight choreography with lots of guts. Amuro literally rips the face off Zaku in his first battle. We also get stuff like this.

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>>138951896
>These same people will bash on G-Reco for being hard to understand.

>>138952030
Pretty much, SEED gave us a shit load of good designs and the first season was bearable until Destiny. IBO has shitty Gundam-frames and there's only a few variations of the Graze the most interesting mobile suit in the show.

>>138952024

>he didn't order caterpillar legs for his mecha

Do you even Armored Core?

>>138952030
>At least Seed had more than two mecha designs and they were distinct from each other.
This is exactly what made Seed garbage you colossal fucking pleb. All the robots had such exaggerated, idiotic designs; it was the exact definition of a glorified toy commercial.

>>138951736
Nobody said it was a storytelling masterpiece, only that it and Geass were the only mecha shows to get the newer generations attention, what don't you understand about that?

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>>138952222

Yes, but a tank can't hold a sword, though.How is it supposed to fight in close combat? Also, you can't punch something in a tank.

Mecha is not supposed to be realistic anymore than super heroes..

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This is now tank VS mech thread.

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>>138951252
>Helicopters?
I like mecha with helicopter blades on their arms. Does that count?

>>138952243
They still have arms more complicated than they need to be. Fact of the matter is that while giant robots are fucking awesome, they're incredibly impractical as well.
>>138952268
See above. The point was that mechs won't see use in an actual war until some new technology makes them feasible as well as cheaper to manufacture, operate and maintain than tanks.

>>138952267

>being accepted by new kids means good example

I stated my reason why they got the attention in my previous post, I don't need to repeat myself.

>>138952154
>for a reason
Yes, and that's having an industry behind them.
Abacus was widespread for a very long time, but then computer came. Oh well, now a digital watch from china with a calculator costs less than a fucking dollar. Faggot.

>>138952227

>Guncannon's most badass moment is when it's piloted by Amuro

Makes perfect sense.

>>138952267

Gundam 00 was more popular than TTGL and Macross F is the most popular mecha post-2000 after Seed/Destiny.

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>>138952266

I like realistic robots as much as the next person. But Okawara loves making huge toyetic robots and Seed had tons of those. Also, Seed saved Gundam literally due to being so easy to get into.

Also, the Strike is a great updated of the RX-78.

>>138952238
g-reco isn't hard to understand. there just isn't a lot too understand. too many fragments, not enough cohesion.

>>138952317
>Robots have no industry behind them
You don't keep up with the news much, huh? There's a reason why the only real mech battle that's coming up is a publicity stunt and not even on the scale of a proper gundam; they don't work and any work they can do can already be done by 100 year old machines.

>>138949377
It's simply a matter of them having shit taste.

>>138952305

Damn, son. What can a jeep do when one of the wheels is blown off? What can a tank do when its main turrent is damaged?

>>138952344
>not enough cohesion
It fits together just fine, maybe you should stick to A/Z

>>138952357
Replacing a wheel or a turret is far easier and cheaper than pulling out an entire arm, building a new one and slapping that in place.

>>138952346
>You don't keep up with the news much, huh? There's a reason why the only real mech battle that's coming up is a publicity stunt and not even on the scale of a proper gundam
The why even bringing it up, you piece of shit?

>they don't work and any work they can do can already be done by 100 year old machines.
Something that hasn't been built yet doesn't work. What a fucking genius.

>>138951821
Konosuba and maybe Grimgar.

Why do you think a lot of people hate mecha anime? I've never seen a single 'mecha anime hate' thread, anywhere. Aren't you just trying to start shit out of boredom?

>>138952383
no, it really doesn't. I tried to understand it, payed close attention and I am fairly perceptive. that shit did not make sense beyond the very basics of the plot.

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>>138950633
VVV managed to be one of the most entertaining train wrecks I've seen.

CA was no way near the levels plus VVV had great characters all over.

>>138952442
Your whole point is that mechs can do things better than tanks. Problem is they're incredibly expensive to build and maintain, which is the whole point. There's no point in building a machine that can do everything but costs more to build and maintain than a bunch of less complicated stuff put together. Even if you say that manufacturing mechs will eventually become cheaper, that's because the raw materials going in are cheaper as well, which are the same things that go into making tanks and trucks. Until something comes along that makes mechs more viable than trucks and tanks in a war setting, there's no reason to use them.

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>>138952222
Nothing you can't fix by strapping an immortal magical ayy lmao into it to do all the maintenance work.
What could possibly go wrong?

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western mecha > eastern mecha

evangelion gets a free pass because they're literally not even mecha

>4chan
>gundam, macross, ttgl and geass are mentioned
>not a single about GGG
>4chan

What happened?

>>138952517
Aside from the alien taking over and wrecking everything you know and love, nothing really. ayy lmaos aren't real though

>>138952296
The thing is Tanks can be more efficient or whatever but the real question is whose going to kill enemies with more style?

>>138952469
>responding to that autist who has been doing this shit since G-Reco originally aired
Be prepared to be called an idiot and get no argument whatsoever.

>>138952469
Then why did I understand it? What was there not to comprehend?

>>138952533
they are bio-mechs, they are close enough.

>>138952510
>Your whole point is that mechs can do things better than tanks.
That's your point reversed, faggot
>>138952346
>hey don't work and any work they can do can already be done by 100 year old machines.


Kill yourself.

>>138952545
This is a board filled with people who haven't even bothered to watch anything before the 2000s.

They probably had a seizure during the first 24 episodes.

>>138952596
>Your point is mechs can do shit
>My point is that any shit they could do can already be done for cheaper
>My point is different from the point YOU raised
No you.

>>138952566
Alright, one of the biggest unexplained issues I had. how did Raraiya Monday suddenly go from childish brain damage to perfectly lucid and aware by staring up at a tree on a colony?

>>138952545
I can't make it through the terrible MoTW episodes, and Guy himself is essentially a boring loudspeaker.

>>138949377
because gundam ruined what should be a great genre with pseudo-intellectual military filler instead of actually having mechs fight

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Why don't they just clone humans and modify their genes so that they grow huge and put armor on them and give them weapons? MECHAAA!!!!!'

>>138952669
That's what the Super Robot genre is for, silly.

>>138952667

It did take some time to build up. Later on they got rid of the whole motw when shit started hitting the fan.

>>138952691
That gives them human rights and labour laws.

>>138949377
Only /m/ crossboarders. Personally, I don't care unless it's entertaining enough.

>>138952641
Raraiya clearly got better over time though, it was just that arriving at the colony jolted her memories.

Regardless, that is a very small issue and while it may be fishy from a writing standpoint it isn't an coherence problem

>>138952667

First, 5-8 episodes are LOL HEAVEN AND HELL IT ALL. Remember, it's a kid's show so they want to get everyone on board and not everyone is watching everything.

The rest is basically GGG surviving on the skin of their teeth and being forced to continually evolve to beat the enemy. Gai nearly dies from repeating the new super move and they give him Goldion Hammer so he doesn't kill himself.

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>>138952755
Not in communist Russia!

>>138952786
yeah, it is. because minutes prior she was still burbling over chumchumy.
that's bad writing or incoherent plot development. either way it's not good and you should not try to excuse it.

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How can mech even compete?

>>138952786

This is G-recotards in a nutshell. Pulling shit out of their ass and doing the job for the writers for them instead of the writers making the plot make sense.

Then when you bring this up, they say it isn't a big deal and that the anime isn't a mess. I wonder how much dick you have to get to be this much of a tard.

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>>138952826

The show is super compressed. Imagine a 50 episode series compressed into half the time.

Old Baldy is an old man and he could do a 2 cours series.

>>138952533
>not knowing that japanese make that kind of mech too.
>liking taller tanks

>>138952636
My point:
>>138952020

Good luck making more shit up, don't forget to kill yourself.

>>138952296

What about Minovsky Particles/N-Jammers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgPt1730Ls

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>>138952533

Sure love these Western mecha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtwkJ2lC0sQ

Hint: they're all ripoffs of 80's series

>>138952547
That's when you get magic lolis to teach them about love.
When all weapons fail you can always count on magic lolis.

>>138952874
Robots also have a huge industry, jackass. And even if you want to go that far, the reason why tanks have that industry and not robots is because tanks are cheaper to produce than robots and the extra cost to manufacture and maintain robots far outweigh the potential benefits of using them. It's like talking to a fifth grader.

>>138950735
>Eureka Seven has to be one of the best mecha anime series
Not even fucking close

>>138952861
Things like Rairaya becoming normal is a writing issue and not a understanding issue. Everything else that people usually say is confusing, like motives, factions and characters decision are all fine.

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>>138952949

>people don't know about my JIm

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>>138952840

ftfy

>>138952104
I don't mean homo. I mean lame, boring, silly.

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>>138953004

Oh you silly billy.

You'll never pilot Wing Zer with that attitude.

>>138949377

Mecha are unrealistic.

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>>138953029

>>138949377
Among /a/'s most celebrated and highly discussed anime were mecha ones. Remember CODEGEASSCODEGEASSCODEGEASSCODEGEASS or our daily Eva threads?

>>138952978
Didn't all metal gears get rekt by puny stingers?

>>138949389
All anime are garbage and toy commercials.

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>>138953054

Thank you Japan.

>>138953037

But girls piloting tanks or beta nerds with ten girls after his dick are realistic?

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>>138952978

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>>138953089

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Post cool mecha OPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCWVMZoRHhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5o0KaXDlzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I71tKoa-DiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grK1I_6k_b8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoNmzoP3CF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ-0Ik3R33E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s2-8Q96rK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kh7uBEJbnE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhjds5BtY68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhjds5BtY68

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People don't like mecha for the same reason a lot of people don't like harem/fanservice-y anime. They fall into the same pitfall of cutting a lot of corners in plot, characters, and pacing because they assume as long as they keep showing you mecha/tits, you'll keep coming back. If you want more out of your anime than just fanservice, both genres end up severely lacking, hence why most people don't care for them.

Another way to look at it is take the mecha out of a mecha anime or the fanservice out of a fanservice anime, would you still watch it? For a lot of shows you wouldn't, and for those that you would, it's generally considered one of the gems of it's genre. A perfect example is Evangelion which isn't even technically mecha when you really thing about it.

>>138953055
>Remember CODEGEASSCODEGEASSCODEGEASSCODEGEASS or our daily Eva threads?

Those shows are both bad, though. They're basically waifu faggotry with annoying male characters.

And you have ugly noodle people animation.

I would rather see a big book of technical details of the Eva-01 than more LOL Rei porn. Or even diagrams of the Geofront.

>>138951683
>I said Gurren Lagann and Geass were the only two shows that managed to unite two generations together.
Found the retard

>>138950106
>You only get a Katanagatari every few years
We get some Nisio Isin garbage every two seasons.

>>138952949
Lets compare robotics, that are still in a fucking infancy, to fucking "armored cars", when in every household (lets not cherry pick and mention tribes of Africa for example), there's at least one fucking car.
Fucking. Genius.
Die.

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Use ur brains tank lovers. Tanks Are great but all a mecha would have to do it walk on up to one and tip it over and the tank wouldn't work anymore.

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>>138952939

Man, I fucking enjoyed the combat in Dougram, even when the main protags had shameless amounts of plot armor.

>>138951639
This nigga knows. But I love imagining I'm piloting piloting mech when I drive manual.

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>>138949377
I don't care let people do what they want.

>>138949723
Do you know what moeshit is?

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>>138953266
>giant mecha
>walk

>>138953266

Silly mech dude, they can just copy the turtle and connect two tanks together. There, now it is invincible. [Spoiler]:^)[/spoiler]

>>138953337
>>138953379
>Tank faggots shitting in mecha thread.

Get out.

>>138953170
>Another way to look at it is take the mecha out of a mecha anime or the fanservice out of a fanservice anime, would you still watch it? For a lot of shows you wouldn't, and for those that you would, it's generally considered one of the gems of it's genre. A perfect example is Evangelion which isn't even technically mecha when you really thing about it.

So Dunbine and Votom are good, since they original pitches didn't include robots. Bandai asked for them to shill oys.

Gundam was originally Gunboy and it featured power armor instead of giant robots.

Macross would work if you removed the transforming part. The only reason for that was giant ayy lmaos.

Most mecha series would probably be great under those those standards.

>>138953242
Do you even know what goes into making a robot? There's tons of precision engineering involved in order to machine the parts that will fit into each other. Which more moving parts for the actuators and their individual motors to move, there's more things to program, fabricate and manufacture. That's not even going into programming to make sure that each bit does what it's supposed to so the actuator doesn't turn the wrong way and break the robot's arm or something.

With an armored car, you just need an engine, a chassis and armor. With robots, you need arms, legs, the actuators to move them with, chassis to house an engine or generator, main computers that have to do things like fine motor control to make sure the thing doesn't tip over when you move it and armor. The cost of manufacturing is already several times higher because you need to hire software engineers to program all of that shit and debug the software on top of mechanical engineers to build all of that and make it move. With a car you just have wheels and an axle connected to the engine. No fuss, no muss. Fucking Africans all don't have robots not for wont of them, but because they're too fucking expensive. You die.

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>>138953406
Nope.

>>138953242
>robots still in infancy so they're more expensive duh
Robots and cars are made of the same shit, Robots are always going to be more expensive because there's more people and more effort involved in making something with a ton of moving parts as opposed with something with less than twenty.

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>>138953469

Hello /k/ommando, have a tank-robot.

>>138952826
>because minutes prior she was still burbling over chumchumy.
The same episode in which she showed signs of recovering she stopped doing that.
>that's bad writing or incoherent plot development. either way it's not good and you should not try to excuse it.
Its neither. The very fact that you have to focus on something insubstantial as a character getting better when her condition wasn't serious to begin with kinda proves his point

>>138953057
About 80 shots from them yeah
Not to mention Rex was still working perfectly fine despite sitting out in the open in fucking Alaska, 20 years after being "destroyed"

>>138953648

Also, Otakon put the exposed radar dish out as a weak point, since he thought it was poetically fitting just like the fact it roars like a dinosaur.

Otakon is a retard.

>>138952641
>childish brain damage
For one thing it wasn't brain damage it was oxygen depletion. They even said in show she'll get better eventually once she went back home. See what happens when you pay attention insteadof listening to memes?
>>138952826
>minutes prior
In the same episode she stopped doing that

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>>138953135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULlBgJ3GaY
>dat 0:48

This wasn't on Toonami but some other latenight block. Tech TV or something

>>138953419
>Macross would work if you removed the transforming part. The only reason for that was giant ayy lmaos.
Actually it was the other way around
>Kawamori designs a plane with arms and legs for a show
>Investors don't think kids/plamo builders would buy it
>Make the planes able to transform completely into a humanoid mode
>Makes giant ayys so they have a reason to use the humanoid mode

>>138949377
Mecha is a niche now.

>>138953709

Are you talking about Gerwalk mode? Gerwalk mode came out after the toy prototype came out. Kamawori stuck the legs out and turned into an ostritch.

But Macross could have jets versus aliens without changing that much.

>>138953504
>>138953441
Lets do some logic:

Firstly: there was never giant battle mecha built in the first, so you tank faggots coming and shitting on them is retarded in itself (simple minds, prefer simple tech apparently)

Secondly: A robot is not specifically a mecha

Thirdly: Most tech initially is hard & expensive to manufacture

Lastly: Tanks are only utilized against sand-niggers with guns sold to them by invading countries.

Peace out, faggots.

That gundam thunderbolt shit going on now is really good. It went completely under my radar and only my hardcore /m/ friend showed me the light.

>>138953835
>“I was originally working on a series called Genocidas and it was meant to be a hard science fiction show in which unique non-human mecha would appear. So Miyatake and I were competing on who could design it first and make the best mecha. So I thought extensively for over a year but I did not get new ideas easily. For a break, I went on skiing holiday to take my mind off it.”

>“I noticed that when I was skiing that I had to bend my knees, which gave me the idea about the mecha bending its knees and make it unique. So I thought I could maybe use that to make something interesting. Initially, I thought that doing it like a human would just make the mecha crouch, so I made the knees backwards to make reverse joint look more bird-like.”

>“This was the birth of GERWALK.”

>“After the skiing trip I showed what I had come up with to Miyatake and he said he had done something too. His approach was also about reverse joint, same as mine, however his design was four legged and was quite complex for animation. As mine was simpler and easier to animate, in terms of the internal competition I like to think my design was the one that won.”

>“So I proposed the GERWALK to our client but because it wasn’t human shaped I was told it would not sell and it didn’t pass the approval stage. In those days, toy companies had a very strong say in how series like this were made. So we thought about coming up with a new idea, as the project wasn’t going anywhere and make the story easier to understand. So overnight we thought up the story for Macross.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/12/10/shoji-kawamori-the-creator-hollywood-copies-but-never-credits/#709449a11683

>>138953419
>Fucking up reading comprehension this bad.

>>138952691
>Heroic age

>>138953851
You still haven't dealt with how robots are inherently more labor-intensive due to their more complex nature and how their being made of the same components as cars or tanks will naturally mean that even if there is a reduction in prices of metal, cars and tanks will still remain cheaper because they're easier to produce. You're just mad because you can't do logic.

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>>138953851
U guys are getting real salty over fictional what-ifs.

It's just not feasible.

Powered armour, yes. But not something as big as mobile suits.

Huge targets with tons of heat. Can't armour a skeleton well and keep it mobile.

Easy to add armour to a box on wheels/treads.

The human 'shape'/design isn't made strictly for mobility, but adaptability.

Whereas tanks were designed for that exact purpose.

It'd be easier to design different non-humanoid vehicles for specific purposes than one 'do-all' humanoid mobile suit.

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>>138953504
>tanks have "less than twenty" moving parts

>>138954056
Still less than an actual robot tho

>>138953956
>You still haven't dealt with how robots are inherently more labor-intensive due to their more complex nature and how their being made of the same components as cars or tanks will naturally mean that even if there is a reduction in prices of metal, cars and tanks will still remain cheaper because they're easier to produce. You're just mad because you can't do logic.
Can buy lego robot for 50 bucks, and we are talking about overpriced lego goods, what the hell, anon-kun?

>>138954103
lego cars are like 20 bucks though.

>>138950803
You probably think Chaika and Spice and wolf are moeshit too. Fucking pleb get culture.

>>138954180
They aren't?

>>138950917
I'm friends with a Mecha fag online that's a full time pilot, can confirm.

>>138950803

Is GunXSword recent? I enjoyed that, but that's the only original anime I've enjoyed.

>>138949377
personally it-s becuse everytime there-s a character i like he/she dies. no exceptions.

so after a while i thought "no thank you"

>>138954180
>Chaika
>no moeshit

Although he said "NEARLY ALL" that don't mean all the the new anime is shit, or what just the possibilty of someone calling your favorite chinese cartoon a shit just triggered you?

>>138954135
>lego cars are like 20 bucks though.
Your lego can't drive you to war.
My lego robot can fire a gun.

Check-mate.

>>138954274

Definitely not recent as far as I remember, but it's one of the shit without the MC being a harem lead. Well, close

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>>138954293

LOL


>>138954349

I assume everything made after SEED is new.

>>138954083
>I have no idea how tanks work

>>138953851

It doesn't have to be giant. You need to see these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=53MQP0Q-vDU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY6xOxGI4Yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViO7rvw7WF0

>>138954588
>I have no idea how robots work

>>138952704
>giant gorg is the only good super robot anyway

dead genre

>>138954738
>not liking Getter Robo and batshit Ryoma
Confirmed for shit taste.

I feel like a lot of people who "hate mecha" dislike olders shows, haven't seen fafner, or think Comet Lucifer is the standard for mecha.

A majority of my favorite shows of all time are mecha and I hate the genre as a whole. See >>138953170

>>138954861
>>138954914

>>138953170

>Gun X Sword
>two men on a hunt against a psycho who killed their beloved fiances

>Shin Getter Armageddon
>to be human is to evolve

>Shin Marzinger Z
>pretty much Devilman

>NGE
>just about a whiny brat who would probably have a blog in this era to talk about all his misfortunes generated from his unloving daddy while aliens are invading earth

I swear. I don't get why people like NGE.

>>138952133
There is so many things that are wrong with this post

>>138955110
>I swear. I don't get why people like NGE.

If you really want to see a young brat get emotionally destroyed, watch Zambot. It's Evangelion except better, because he starts off as a happy kid in a robot and then learns the true meaning of suffering.

The human bomb plot, holy shit.

>>138955207
Poorest quality bait there is.

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>>138955207

It's bait

I hope

Anyway, even Nips know that Seed/Destiny are the gayest Gundam

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>>138955300

Lacus and Kira sleep in separate beds, though. He presumably only slept with Flay

Disgusting natural

>>138953170
>People don't like action shows for the same reason a lot of people don't like harem/fanservice-y anime. They fall into the same pitfall of cutting a lot of corners in plot, characters, and pacing because they assume as long as they keep showing you fights, you'll keep coming back. If you want more out of your anime than just fanservice, both genres end up severely lacking, hence why most people don't care for them.

>Another way to look at it is take the fights out of action anime or the fanservice out of a fanservice anime, would you still watch it? For a lot of shows you wouldn't, and for those that you would, it's generally considered one of the gems of it's genre. A perfect example is Evangelion which isn't even technically mecha when you really thing about it.

>>138949389
Cool mouth, does it talk with dialogue?

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>>138955417

Lacus knew what she was getting into, though.

She was a beard for the political power it gave her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLJG0bxevek

>>138950952
VVV was trash, everything else you listed was good at worst

>>138955376
This guy gets it

>>138955368
>streaming

>>138955110
Evangelion really established and solidified a lot of the tropes we know today. Key words here being established and solidified, not invented. Hence why we call them Rei-clones and not yourobscurewaifuhere-clones. It was also wildly popular worldwide without an aggressive multi-million dollar marketing campaign to make it happen. (See Naruto, Bleach, SAO, etc)

That aside, people say Evangelion is good the same way that people say ToraDora is the greatest love story ever told. It's because by setting up 'sacred cows' we can move on with the discussion without the other person immediately attacking the other person's taste and not the argument itself.

The alternative is every argument turning into "You like yourfavoriteanimehere, therefor your opinion is shit and by extension your entire argument is wrong. I don't care if you say 2+2=4, you like animeIdon'tlike."

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>>138949377
Because we have the most powerful entities in fiction, especially pic related

>>138955376
Our points aren't mutually exclusive.

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There should be more pro-war and less anti-war mecha, and peace princess character archetype should be constitutionally banned.

>>138955746
How does it feel to be an idiotic tripfag?

>>138950660
>People weren't memeing when they said TTGL was practically a Getter Robo rip off.

Wait, are you telling me that people who know about both Getter Robo and TTGL don't realize that TTGL is basically an extremely compressed alternate version of Getter Robo?

The new Muv-Luv anime and specially the new Gundam one seem to be getting a lot of love considering the genre though I heard Iron Blooded Orphans doesn't have a lot of mecha in it so that may have something to do with it.

>>138950368

Kotetsushin Jeeg blew though. It's only saved because Hiroshi was in it.

Which reminds me. It was broadcasted in the same season with TTGL. Tough luck.

>>138956091
I thought it was decent, and double jeegs was amazing.
But yeah, literally the worst season to air a super robot throwback mecha.

>>138949377
A lot of people don't hate mecha irl. They just don't really care much about the genre.
Same goes for gag shows.

The people who do hate mecha are some /m/ tryhards and /v/-tier "G-Gundam is not realistic-mech is shit nowadays" people, and they're the vocal minority.

Reminder that these people act like your grandpa, telling you stories about his glory days with his antique camera when you're having fun with DSLR.

>>138951252
Why would mecha fans buy a game that has no mecha?

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>>138951252
>Do you like cars? Airplanes? Helicopters? Motorcycles? Did you buy titanfall? Are you a gamer? Do you drive manual? Are you into military things? Like guns?
So basically, "Are you a boy?"

>>138956525
>insert tumblrpost here

>>138949377
cuz ppl want another amagibrilliantpark/kyokainokanata or some shit

>>138956525

Eh, at least that is a better question than one coming from a grandpa who doesn't even know his grandson's name.

Would Bokurano be considered mecha? I tried getting my mecha-hating friend to read it, but seeing a giant robot really put him off.

>>138951252
>Gamer
>Drive manual

Pretty laughable test, and I've played almost all SRW and SD Gundam G Gen games, which you most likely never touched before anon.

Also,
>buying games
Fuck off, shill

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You have 10 seconds to explain why you haven't watched one of the comfiest mecha ever made

I love mecha anime. It's not just animes with mechs in them. It's a meta genre, if you hear word mecha you automatically expect this show to be original, heavily plot-driven, with politics, character rivalry, drama and character deaths, possibly romance and love triangles. It doesn't matter how stupid plot is or how silly character actions are. It's almost always extremely entertaining. And I don't care about mecha designs or how bad CGI fights are, it's just a useless filler. Actually the less mech fights a mecha anime has, usually the better it is. That's why I prefer trainwreck shows like A/Z and VVV over boring animes with heavier mecha emphases like G-Reco or IBO. And I still hope that one day we will get another Code Geass or SEED.