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The BBC has made another article about manga.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35714067
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>>Godmother of manga sex
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What's western people don't understand is that half of the Japanese porn are created by female artists. Comiket started originally as yaoi manga market.
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>>138699096
>More on this story
>Why hasn't Japan banned child-porn comics?
Gets me every time.

Seriously though, is there any real logical reason to ban loli, rape and violence towards women in manga, games and anime? It's 2D, not 3D.
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>>138699893
You should listed to the Radio 4 piece they did accompanying that article. We had a livethread for it.
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>britcucks LITERALLY have a news company names after big black cock

That shithole never fails to impress me desu
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Most people mix morals and law. You can have any desire inside you. And law shouldn't punish a man's inside thought. But many people think that to have immoral thought is illegal.
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>>138699933
mind linking me to the radio 4 piece? I can use the date and time on that to search the archive and read along.
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>>138700086
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wwkhl

The thread is forever lost until the archive is able to get the foolz backups working.
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>>138700086
http://foolz.fireden.net/a/thread/119495414
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>>138700134
>>138700190
Thanks. Now to have some fun reading and listening.

Have a Namori Dragon Quest Builder.
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>>138700190
Wow.
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>>138700436
There's a better one which was a cap from the man page. I didn't save it because I never thought there'd be more discussion on the topic.
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>>138700491
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>>138701308
danke, komrade.
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>>138701308
Beautiful
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Why don't western countries have any sense anymore?
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>>138700134
I've just wasted 28 minutes listening to this garbage.

>we have to turn Japan into a country, which people don't call "a perverted culture"
No. No we don't you fucking degenerate cunt.
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>>138701827
I'm only 17 minutes in and his bias is showing way too much.
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>>138701827
Ok, I just finished. I really should've stopped before the ending.
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Good article.
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>>138701907
The end was the worst part
>If you just think or assume how a person is because of what they read it'd be like thought crime
>Okay so you are saying that it's acceptable for people to draw five year olds being raped
>N-no I don't mean it that way
>The End

Interesting they were able to talk to Est Em though, I didn't expect that at all.
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>>138699096
why is the BBC obsessed with this?
leave japan alone!!
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>>138699096
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11057647/Rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-1400-children-exploited-by-Asian-gangs-while-authorities-turned-a-blind-eye.html

Never change Britain. Never change.
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>>138701308
It's kind of amazing how that "why defend freedom of icky speech" article never fails.
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>>138700134

https://foolz.fireden.net/a/
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>>138701711
It's always been like this, hypocrites barging into other countries and screaming at the top of their lungs that they're all really bad and icky and that they should be more like us. The arrogance is astonishing.
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>>138704653
Welcome to non-African/Amazon tribal culture.
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>lolicon has no artistic value
>draw 2 stick figures, is this child porn?
>no
>draw 2 anime girls, is this child porn?
>yes

>no artistic value
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>a major producer of sexually exploitative representations of virtual children

My sides, won't someone please think of the virtual children.
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>>138704653
Remember how Britain was shocked when their banning of Indian wives being cremated with their dead husbands was met with anger from the wives?
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>>138706294
>My sides, won't someone please think of the virtual children.
Exactly what I was thinking. I don't know how the writer didn't change that sentence, because it sounds funny as fuck and shows how retarded this whole stance is.
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I draw the line at toddlercon.

Of course I would never have it banned, because the line can't ever be defined without arbitrary statements. But still, sexual depictions of children that act and look like children is still wrong no matter how you frame it.

Lolis although most of the time have "childlike" characteristics most often have them at unrealistic standards or have adult mentalities. Try explaining that to anyone however.
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>>138706918
agreed.
The question you should be asking yourself is "Is this potentially legal in a country that I know of."

If the answer is no, then there's something wrong.

Double digits should be fine.
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>>138706476
But i sorta under stand why, the buzzword was "exploitive" and the author is sure their readers will not pay any attention to the rest of the sentence
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>>138699893
>Seriously though, is there any real logical reason to ban loli, rape and violence towards women in manga, games and anime?

No, all they have is

>muh feelings
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>>138707102
Winrar
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>>138706918
>draw a stick figure
>label it as 1 year old
>draw a line between stick figure's stick legs
>label it 'dildo raping machine'
>your a pedo go to jail for 15 years

k
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>>138700134
>Calling a bunch of 30-40 year old men cheering at an idol group weird
>In a culture where twilight moms and other such groups of old hags are considered fine
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>>138707192
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>>138699096
Is this manga such a high literary work of art as the article makes it out to be? Or is it just that since it's drawn by a women, it can't be considered a simple work of sexual fantasy?
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>>138706918
christ
go ask /pol/ about "mental gymnastics" stands for
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>>138707192
10,000 years in mspaint
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Every year there's at least a couple of articles complaining about anime and manga being perverted and encouraging child abuse, but it's always just for clicks and there's not going to be shit done about in Japan. Still annoying how westerners think they are on some moral high ground on this issue.
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>>138707435
Delete this
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>>138707192
This is bait but I'll bite, you didn't even read my post because I would never want anyone to go to jail for drawing anything. In fact lolis might even be an outlet for most pedos which is a good thing

However it still wrong Achmed, there's a difference between lolis with fantasy characteristics and lolis that actually appeal to pedophiles. No pedophile is gonna find a stick figure attractive.
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Neat, it has an OVA.
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>>138707451

>bbc
>just for clicks
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>>138707451
They're praising it here though.
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>>138707429
/pol/ would agree with me that wanting to fuck children is wrong.

Please ask /lit/ about reading comprehension.
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>>138706918
Who gives a fuck? It's all fiction, it doesn't matter how young they are or if they act like children, because they don't fucking exist. They were created by a pervert who wants to draw anime girls having sex, and that's all it is.
There's nothing wrong with being disgusted by a fetish in particular, but saying that anything in this is "wrong" is pure bullshit. Normalfags find the fact that you fap to drawn women instead of fucking three whores a day wrong as well, you know.
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>>138707462
>However it still wrong
How is it wrong?

Parents would torch your house if they knew the "disgusting" things you jerk off to with pubescent chests, no matter if you think that's somehow morally right because "they act like adults".

And yet you turn it around and go "Oh, I'm not that bad, THESE guys are the real freaks". You'd both be treated in the same way by a fucking media circus.

Nothing you can draw on a fucking piece of paper is wrong.
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>>138707462
>victim-less crime based on how well someones perceived lines on paper resemble what another person thinks looks real or not

This is the same sort of freedom hating mentality that is trying to ban video games because they make murderers.

>>138707435
perfect.
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>>138707435
MODS

I feel bad for britbongs. You know your media is cucked when your national channel is called BBC.
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>>138707615
I wasn't talking just about the bbc.

>>138707703
Not really, they're showing both sides to the issue without taking a strong opinion.
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>>138707823
listen to the reporter in >>138700134 and you'll hear his bias against cartoon porn.
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It was all UK faggots on that UN special envoy telling Japan to ban it too, some faggots just can't deal with drawings while simultaneously praising the royal family that raped and murdered a bunch of real little girls.

We should have nuked the brits instead of Japan, then we might not have people who pretend to have some moral high ground by banning harmless and not in any way morally questionable drawings.
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>>138707760
>>138707788
>>138707725
Because understanding art is about context, if you gave me a picture of children fucking, there's nothing there. However if you show me a doujin showing a rape of a child and then find out later the artist traced CP is there really no ill intention there? That it has no meaning and that's it pandering to no one in specific?

As opposed to watching onii chichi or reading a Shinobu doujin? They're not the same
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>>138707811
The internet ruined me, every time I hear BBC I just chuckle like a child. Just like BBC ruins white pussy.
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>>138708123
>draw heroin
>you are now a drug dealer

lines on paper =/= reality

a sign of autism is not being able to tell fiction from reality
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>>138708123
Shit man, sometimes I like playing games where I kill people. Hell, sometimes I even do it over the internet so I'm murdering real people.

I think you're right, intent is huge. I should go turn myself in for all these attempted murders.
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>>138708069
Please stop frogposter, you're making our case look bad.
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>>138708251
Virtual children are not real.
No one will get harmed because these works exist.

But it's not right.
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>>138708293
I get a boner when I kill people in GTA. How insane am I?
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>>138708490
of course it isnt ''morally'' right. Porn in general isnt. But cartoon porn is more morally acceptable than 3DPD porn, even if its of fucked up shit- because no one is harmed in the making, or actually takes part in it.

Id say the worse guro beast loli drawn porn is morally less bad than the most vanilla porn studio's work that exploits confused and retarded actual living human beings.

because one is real, and the other is lines on paper.
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>>138708058
>let's bomb our allies and save our porn comics which won't be made for another 70+ years

You dumb bastard.
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>>138708490
>But it's not right.
Explain
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>Europeans
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Why are britcucks so mad that Japan doesn't share their morals?

This is such a loaded article.
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>>138709183
BBC is a ultra-left propaganda channel.
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>>138709255
With a name like that, I bet
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>>138709255
>Ultra-left
They aren't the Guardian.
They're left, but left that at least tries to pretend they're impartial.
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>>138709333
Have you ever watched BBC question time? They are definitely ultra-left propaganda. The host basically attacks anyone who dares to not be a ''feminist'',muslim-loving lapdog.
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The BBC are projecting really hard since all the horrid shit happens here anyway and they do jack shit to protect real girls/boys. The whole Jimmy Saville scandal should say enough by itself.
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Well more interresting than this Thread is the actual manga...I peaked my curiosity.

I also liked how a girl realized that rape wasn't just happening to herself with a manga.
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>>138709024

Actually, continental Europe is more accepting of anime than the UK. The UK population barely grew up on Japanese animation.
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>>138709838
I apoligize
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>>138708490
You could make the exact same argument about violence, but I guarantee you wouldn't care if it were.
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>http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/03/15/470422089/can-computer-programs-be-racist-and-sexist

>Can Computer Programs Be Racist And Sexist

NPR and BBC are left wing propaganda at this point.
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>>138709838
Pretty much. The french, italians and germans are huge weebs. Even normies casually watch annymays and read mangos
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>>138710039
jesus
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>>138699096
>the thing on the cover is a boy
FUCK
I guess I'll put my pants back on
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>>138710247
>implying
keep them off
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>Kaze Ki featuring heavily
And still it's not full scanlated.
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>>138710301
I'm confused, a girl with that body type, lipstick/makeup and hair style (particularly the hairstyle) would be so hot.
Why does it have to be a boy?
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>>138710393
Girls love gays
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>>138710393
It's a shoujo. In fact Kaze Ki was essentially the origin of BL and is why fujoshi exist today.
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I'm fasicnated with old anime/manga depicting sexual acts. It feels much more different than mass produced hentai/ecchi whatever of today.
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>>138699893
It reinforces the notion that it's okay
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>>138702340
Yeah, it argues quite convincingly against the absurd UN ban.
I wonder how the Brit readership feels about the article.
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>>138710498
>"Violent fiction reinforces that violence is OK!"
See how stupid you sound?
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>>138710498
What is ok? You think murder is ok after playing GTA?
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>>138710498
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>>138710702
>>138710716
They'll both end up so routine that you wouldn't mind it as much if it actually happens.
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>>138710498
There's already a law against actual sexual assault, and it's already illegal to show it to minors. I don't think there's any notion of it being okay beyond fiction.
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>>138710788
>nobody minds when violence happens
I can't tell if you're trolling or not.
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>>138710788
At what point will this happen with violence? Because it certainly hasn't happened yet.
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>>138710498
But it also strongly deters pedophilia by giving them an outlet that isn't actual children.
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Nothing worng with fucking children if he/she likes it.

I fucked a women once when I was right and it ws awesome.

And if a twelve year old wants to be fucked by a man, then so be it.
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>>138710788
Soccer mom pls go. It's like I'm in the 90's again
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>>138710884
>At what point will this happen with violence?
I dunno, how come school shootings are still a thing and how come nothing's really been done to prevent them?
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>>138710929
Okay, you've gone from subtle to obvious now.
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>>138710929
too rough, try again
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>>138710929
>school shooting happen because of video games

I really am in the 90's again holy fuck
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>>138710498
Why do action movies still exist? This anon is correct. We only need good old fashioned comedies (no potty humor please). Romances should be banned too unless they only depict post-marital love.

All of these reinforce degenerate notions and should not be allowed to corrupt the naive masses.
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>>138710793
I'm not saying people are gonna go commit sexual assault because of what they see in media. I'm saying they won't do anything if it actually happens. Also, despite there being laws against sexual assault, people tend to not believe the victims because they think they have an ulterior motive.

>>138710891
How do you even prove that, especially when sometimes people that have lolicon porn have actual CP too?
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>>138711008
Nice quote
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>>138711060
>I'm saying they won't do anything if it actually happens.
Not only do you have 0 evidence to back this up at all, as everyone in this thread keeps saying the exact same thing could be said for violence in fiction, and if you think either crime goes intentionally unpunished you're a fucking moron.

>Also, despite there being laws against sexual assault, people tend to not believe the victims because they think they have an ulterior motive.
That's because sexual assault is a pretty fucking serious crime and you justifiably need some substantial evidence to back it up.
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>>138711060
>especially when sometimes people that have lolicon porn have actual CP too?
And some people who watch action movies own a gun. So?
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>>138711291
I don't know how that proves loli porn deters pedophilia
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>>138711356
The same way an action movie deters a person from shooting something. It provides an outlet in which no one is wronged.
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>>138709183
Everyone's mad that Japan doesn't share their morals. Check how many posts in a day complain about how anime is shit because of X supposed feature of Jap/otaku culture. The only difference between /a/ and these shitty journalists is that /a/ happens to like hentai.
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>>138699096

>Whether or not the depiction of "virtual children" in manga is violating an actual human right is the crux of the issue. A lot of the material that draws criticism does not aspire to the literary heights of Ms Takemiya's work and critics say it exists purely for titillation. Many believe that even if it is fiction, it should be regulated.

>Ms Boer-Buquicchio says she is aware of the importance of striking the right balance for freedom of expression but that the rights of the child should not be "sacrificed at the expense of powerful and lucrative businesses". She points out that "any pornographic representation of a child," real or not, "constitutes child pornography".

This is why we can't have fun
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>>138711463
>an action movie deters a person from shooting something
Go to bed, Tomino.
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>>138711252
>if you think either crime goes intentionally unpunished you're a fucking moron.
I don't recall saying that, but good job wasting words.

>Not only do you have 0 evidence to back this up at all
Most people don't believe sexual assault victims in the first place, so there you go. I doubt you would either.
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>In doing this, Ms Takemiya herself admits, she may have opened the door to sexual expression in Japanese manga, and it grew from something virtually non-existent to something the UN now considers could be a threat to the welfare of women and children.

GO FOR THE GOLD IN THE TOKYO OLYMPICS
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>>138711463
>The same way an action movie deters a person from shooting something.
I can't seem to remember if that worked for Holmes back in 2012
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>>138711497
>powerful and lucrative businesses
Yeah, what an international titan Akaneshinsha is.
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>>138711544
Why should I believe someone with zero evidence
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>>138711544
>I don't recall saying that, but good job wasting words.
Your exact words were
>I'm saying they won't do anything if it actually happens.

Unless we're having two different arguments, my previous accusation still stands.
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>>138711544
>Most people don't believe sexual assault victims
LINKYOURSTUDIESFRIEND
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>>138711060
>when sometimes people that have lolicon porn have actual CP too?
A better way of phrasing this is "people that have CP will tend to have lolicon too." Honestly, this rephrasement alone should clear up any misconceptions.
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>>138699893
>>Why hasn't Japan banned child-porn comics?

any anons got that picture of pro-Charlie Hebdo free scpeech article with the link ">Why hasn't Japan banned child-porn comics?" in the same page?
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>>138711544
>Most people don't believe sexual assault victims in the first place
I will believe it when evidence is presented,like every other crime. Just because this particular crime involves women doesn't mean it will get special treatment.
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>>138711659
I was talking about regular people, not law enforcement. Police officers can be useless at times with stuff like that though.
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>>138711670
How about reading the thread before posting something dumb.
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>>138711670
>>138701308
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Virtual children are virtually children so they should have human rights too.
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>>138711668
It won't paint lolicons in a more positive light, if that's what you want to clear up
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>>138710489
>mass produced hentai/ecchi
Are you stupid or something? We still get tons of smut manga, and the majority of hentai manga isn't mass produced at all. "Mass produced" is always retarded when used on /a/ and is on the same tier as 'soulless' in terms of meaningless words
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>>138711721
Why should regular people care?
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>>138711721
>I was talking about regular people, not law enforcement.
Good thing regular people don't enforce the law then, huh?
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>>138711721
I wouldn't do something about most crimes, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.
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>>138711753
Virtual human rights? Should offenders get put into Virtual Jail?
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>>138711775
How wouldn't it paint them in better light? People who want to fuck children will happen to own other media with children in them. They'll probably own movies with child actors in them too.
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>>138701308

this gets me triggered every time
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>>138711895
>How wouldn't it paint them in better light?
Because you're still sexually attracted to children, regardless of whether they're real or not
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>>138711956
>Because you're still sexually attracted to children
I don't see anything evil or illegal about this, 3D or 2D. I don't see anything more dangerous about it than having a rape fetish, or anything more disgusting about it than having a scat fetish. Watching 3D CP is rightfully illegal because it's consumption of an illegal good, and the good itself is illegal because its production harms children.
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>>138711956
Most of us can differentiate between fantasy and reality.
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>>138711602

they probably count Shonen Jump's ToLoveRU series as CP also
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>>138712113
If only that were true
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>>138712096
Pretty much. I honestly feel sorry for pedos who don't act on their urges. Must be a shit life, knowing that you can't and should never act out your sexuality
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>>138712268
> Must be a shit life, knowing that you can't act out your sexuality
Not like that's any different from our lives.
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>>138699096

Now I feel for the Americans clinging to their guns and shit. Pretty much all western countries like to attack America for its guns, and now Japan for REAL freedom of speech and expression.
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>>138712336
God damn, it's a little early to be this savage
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>>138712336
I knew I would get a reply like this
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>>138712408
>REAL freedom of speech and expression
Yeah, imagine how awful their lives would be if they couldn''t draw generic high school girl #6473922 doing anal
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>>138712245
Yeah bro, I literally cannot stop myself from punching nuns.
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>>138712459
I may not like it, but that doesn't mean that htey shouldn't be allowed to draw it
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>>138712459
Not that guy, but the entire point of freedom of speech is that no one gets to dictate what is and isn't worth saying.

But a decent bait, I'll give you that.
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>>138712459
It's not any less life-changing on an individual level than it would be if you couldn't say you disliked your head of state.
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>>138712532
Kill all anime fans
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>draw two girls
>call them boys
>this is now BL instead of Yuri
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I'm not big on loli, but it's still art and you shouldn't censor ideas like that. Tracing CP should still land you in jail, but anything else is fair game. If you don't like it, don't read it.
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>>138712834
>ideas
>loli
what
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>>138712834
>Tracing CP
Is that a thing?
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>>138712984
On a planet of 7 billion, everything is a thing.
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>>138713034
>everything is a thing.
I doubt grape flavored Pringles are a thing
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>>138712459

It is (mostly) Japanese women who will be disparately affected when (not if) manga start to be regulated USA/UK/AU style. Women will be deprived of their hard earned income and a healthy outlet for creativity.
Sidenote - westerners love to pan Japan for lacking "creativity" when in fact they actually have more of it.
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>>138712984
That picture of the little kid getting jerked off on the car by an older woman is traced CP.
People say le Nice Floor man also traces, but they are BIG FAT MEANIE LIERS!!!
...or so I've heard, I h-haven't actually s-seen it
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What would happen if Japan abolished the genital censorship laws?
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>>138713113
>when (not if) manga start to be regulated USA/UK/AU style.
Don't you say that, anon

Don't you say that at all
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>>138713157
Who is le nice floor man?
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>>138713209
Rustle
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>>138712984
You are not familiar with that floor I presume.
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>>138712885
Artistic expression falls under idea, yes.

>>138712984
Unfortunately it exists.
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>>138713188
We would enter Nirvana
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>>138713157
>le Nice Floor man
The tile fetish guy draws hentai?
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>>138713234
I feel retarded now s-sorry
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>>138713209
First week here?
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>>138713272
Back to >>>/v/ with you
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>>138699893

>Why hasn't Japan banned child-porn comics?

Has the U.N. ever done anything useful in it's entire history. Other than siphon tax payer money and yell at Americans or in this case Japanese?
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>>138713113
>Women will be deprived of their hard earned income and a healthy outlet for creativity.
Maybe the ones that draw porn

>Sidenote - westerners love to pan Japan for lacking "creativity" when in fact they actually have more of it.
If they're talking about light novels, they kinda have a point
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>>138713074
I dip my pringles in grape juice you insensitive clod.
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>>138713272
can you imagine if someone actually drew porn of tiles
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>>138712834
>Tracing CP

Stop this meme

They probably trace using REAL CHILDREN with the human anatomy books found in Akihabara

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/09/09/photos-of-nude-children-in-akiba-bring-it-on-agns/
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>>138713367
>Maybe the ones that draw porn
Obviously you've never read shoujo manga.
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>>138713188
Well, one things for sure, that can of beer(?) won't be there.
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>>138713367
LNs aren't much worse than average YA fiction, they just seem a lot worse because bad translations
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>>138713428
How much shoujo manga depict anal sex scenes?
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>>138713412
What if the tiles were underage?
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>>138713470
You'd be surprised
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>>138713470
A lot. BL is a subgenre of shoujo.
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>>138713470
A whole lot of them depict sexual violence against minors. Or is this initiative about outlawing depictions of anal sex and I just missed the memo?
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>>138713470
Search for yaoi hole
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>>138713342
No they have not.

>>138713367
Try reading YA fiction. It's worse. Besides, there are some good LNs once you get past battle haremshit.
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>>138713113

>Sidenote - westerners love to pan Japan for lacking "creativity" when in fact they actually have more of it.

I still remember that article some faggot from Bioware wrote about the state of JRPGs and how they should get with the times. The balls some people have, literally a studio that hasn't changed it's shit story telling formula since the fucking 1990s is saying JRPGs lack originality.

I've found more original content in gaming from the Japs than the West. Very few western developers bother with new ideas anymore.

As for anime/manga it's a crap shoot. There's always like 30-40% good original series coming out along side a sea of generic shit.
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>>138713367
>Maybe the ones that draw porn

Nothing good comes out of this other than to spite the creators and fans and the whole hobby. This is as bad as regulating "problematic" & "hate" speech that's totally en vogue outside Japan and America.
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>>138713420
>anything I don't like is a meme
Kill yourself.
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>>138713701
>This is as bad as regulating "problematic" & "hate" speech
is that really a bad thing
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>>138713683
>I still remember that article some faggot from Bioware wrote about the state of JRPGs and how they should get with the times
Ugly women and gay sex everywhere?
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>>138713735
Welcome, newfriend!
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>>138713735
Yes.
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>>138713735
Of course it is.

If you feel uncomfortable hearing this, maybe i recommend a website such as Tumblr or Reddit? You'll fit in fine!
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>>138713750

duh it's the current year!
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>>138707377
It's the first yaoi.
And it's full of suffering.
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>>138713683
Manga does have a wider spectrum when it comes to creativity than western comics. There's a few louder niches, but you can find everything. Western comics deal mostly with super heroes and kids who can't kick egghand balls.
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>>138711497
>A lot of the material that draws criticism does not aspire to the literary heights of Ms Takemiya's work and critics say it exists purely for titillation.
This will never be something you should leave up to a court to decide.
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>>138713757
>>138713760
>>138713795
You guys won't die if you can't say stuff that's racist or sexist, for example
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>>138713750
That is the current times here in America.
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>>138713713
Again, "Tracing CP" is a meme due to false accusations that rustle actually traced CPs found on the internets.

Why do that and why break the law when you can just go to Akihabara bookstores and pick up "human motion" books that inspires and mangaka to draw children like a pro?

This is the book that most loli artists use to creat "realistic" looking lolis
https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/09/09/photos-of-nude-children-in-akiba-bring-it-on-agns/
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>>138713874
Bait.
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>>138710366
It's cursed.
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>>138713874
You won't die if we can? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
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>>138713874
No, but I will come to hate my society even more than I already do, which is quite a bit, as will many others, eventually leading to civil strife and violence.
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>>138711848
Sounds like a SZS Chapter.
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>>138713843

I agree, though there are some decent exceptions like the Sandman series. Especially pic related.
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>>138709503
Fucking this.
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>>138713931
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>>138713843
You sound like a /co/ fag saying every mango is shonen shit. Try some french comics

>>138713939
Check out Hellboy if you like these two
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>>138713905
>Rustle didn't do it so it doesn't exist!
You're a fucking idiot. Is being stupid a meme?
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>>138714080
Personally, comics have just never captured my attention visually. Plus, Hellboy is a superhero in all but name.
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>>138713905
The main problem was that it was traced so it diminished it's artistic value.
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Damn I thought this was a KazeKi thread.
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>>138710702
People don't (usually) get off to violence and it's not depicted as something the victim enjoys. Sex is a different ball game and associating something you shouldn't be sexualizing so strongly with sexual gratification is more concerning.

I don't necessarily assume it has a link to real sexual assault, I'd like to see some studies on whether it keeps pedos satisfied and less likely to hurt children or encourages them instead. It's a believable outcome either way. I won't pretend I haven't enjoyed shota in the past despite feeling zero attraction to anyone like that in real life, but I also wouldn't blame anyone who refused to believe that. I'd err on the side of caution if kids were at risk too.
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>>138714135
Fair neough.

But saying Hellboy is capeshit is like calling Berserk shonenshit
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>>138713188

Well I'd probably end up breaking my dick.
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>>138714080

Oh I have, didn't want to post Hellboy in case people would call it cape shit. Which it really isn't. I love that series.
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>>138714223
If Berserk were somehow a shounen it'd probably get called shounenshit.
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>>138713470

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/09/11/ero-shoujo-manga/
https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/10/30/prefecture-banning-ero-shoujo-manga-as-harmful/
https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/02/ero-manga-for-men-vs-ero-manga-for-women/

>>138713551
>Or is this initiative about outlawing depictions of anal sex and I just missed the memo?

The only change since the start of this decade is the degree of pixelation to problematic areas like full vagina and proper labeling of R18 ero-manga. Apparently there are clearly ero-manga being sold in Akiba without the R18 sticker... and that's problematic.
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>>138699096
tl;dr
>it's alright if it's fag porn, but ban anything that straight men get off on
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>>138714315
>sankakucomplex
I'm speechless
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>>138714334
Get with the times
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>>138707377
>yaoi
>literary high

>loli
>ban this sick filth

There is a reason the BBC is known as the British Bummer's Club.
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>>138714135
>not growing up reading the comic with the greatest hero of all time in.

Anon pls
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>>138714445
Even when I was a little kid the way comics were illustrated just struck me as weird and ugly for some reason. Manga immediately felt natural when I encountered it so I guess I was just a freak from the start.
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>>138714445
Beano > Dandy
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>>138714334
>>138714399
Come on, I mean... it's 2016!
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>>138714181
Violence and Sex are both, when you boil it down, entertainment. You can't claim one is more "wrong" than the other without admitting to not giving an objective judgement.
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>>138714532
A true patrician I see.
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>>138714407
I'd actually like to see some people pushing this fill out a form of different manga and say which ones they think are filth and which are artistically valid, and then try to argue why the law should follow their personal opinions and no one else's.
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>>138714520
Not a freak but probably on the spectrum somewhere.
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>>138714836
Autistic people are freaks, though.
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>>138714723
>Violence and Sex
I should clarify that I meant fictional violence and sex, which is what we're discussing.
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>>138714723
You can literally train your brain to be attracted to things by association if you fap to it, and for a lot of people the porn they watch has to become more extreme over time to maintain enjoyment. Sex is so much more complex than the abstract concept of violence, it involves physical reactions in your body and in the end reproduction trumps physical dominance in terms of our biological imperatives.

I'm not saying it's definitely a problem, just that it's worth looking into.
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>you live here
Why don't they bomb here for once. France at least are more free and more lewd than our place.
Only good thing is humour.
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>>138715004
>France
>free
Kek.
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>>138714993
>You can literally train your brain to be attracted to things by association if you fap to it, and for a lot of people the porn they watch has to become more extreme over time to maintain enjoyment
Be that as it may, remember that what we're discussing is 100% fictional and (as you agree) there is no evidence whatsoever to prove that it leads to actual pedophilia.

If there were, I would concede defeat, but, well.
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>>138714805
>implying they have the cognitive ability to come up with a reasoning any more sophisticated that "because it's wrong"
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>sexually exploitative representations of virtual children
>virtual children
>NOT REAL
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>>138715004
>France
>free

Pics of cute anime girls in fundoshi are banned in France
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/736253
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>>138700436
You forgot the bit below the red "In today's Magazine"
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>>138715211
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
goes in all fields
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>>138715363
>3D
Stop.
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>>138714993
I actually fap to hand holding now, something I would have laughed about 5 years ago
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>>138715180
Yeah, I just think they should do some thorough studies and get evidence to either put people's minds at rest if it's not related, or do something about it if it is. It's the wests fault for not investigating it properly and backing their complaints up with research.
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Why does the West love playing morality police? Is it because they still want to feel superior to other races, but it's become politically incorrect to do so by playing the race-card so they switched over to the morality-card?
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>>138715401
Because they can't stand the idea that someone out there doesn't give a fuck. They also think of themselves as the highest authority in the world, so everyone else should obey them and behave like them.
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>>138714407
Yeah, that's the impression that I got from reading the article.

It makes me think, why can't works that are created just to sexually arouse people have artistic merit, anyway? After all, a lot of art is created just to arouse other feelings such as sadness or happiness. Nothing gives these people the right to judge what is and isn't art.
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>>138715401
Because we let the left get too strong. Only Emperor Trump can save us now.
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>>138715401

They have been doing this to china too...

let chinese eat dogs if that means stopping famine!
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>>138715401
The UN and media don´t mean shit, don´t let them fool you
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>>138715612
As if there isn't worse shit in China. Why didn't the japs genocide the again?
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>>138701711
We're trying to become "safer" at the expense of freedom.

Some time ago a rather infamous writer had to go to court here because he wrote a story. A story. With his keyboard and the writing program of his choice. Absurd, isn't it? Something like that might have happened in the soviet union, but now in Europe?

The story was basically American Psycho, but more graphic and some of the victims were children. Dozens of children brutally tortured and killed, but what was the reason he was in court? Because 1-3 of the kids were raped. Rape is apparently much more dangerous than torture and murder. I've been thinking of drawing a comic or at least some art based on it, because of all the bothered bottoms. I'm afraid of my own safety though, I could be sued as well. I feel like I should fuck off to some ohter country since this one seems to be so against freedom of expression.

Sorry for the rant, I'm really rustled at the moment.
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>>138715966
>I'm really rustled at the moment.

is this a newborn meme that i'm not aware of ?
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>>138716126
>newborn meme

How fucking new are you?
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>>138716126
>is this a newborn meme that i'm not aware of ?
Ohayou, newfriend.
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>>138715180
Would be funny if the studies proved that it made more people disregard real women completely than lead to pedophilia or rape because 2D > 3D.
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>condemning thought crime
>bu-but he's thinking it!

It honestly fucking shocks me when people say we should reinforce hypothetical crime because they think they know what goes on in someone's head.
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>>138715966
Where are you from bro? I'm thinking bout fucking off myself
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Let me preface this by saying I don't think it should be banned.

To an extent, I can see some reason as to why people would want it banned. Namely, desensitization to the subject. It's easy to see how war videogames can glorify violence and desensitized one to it (eg military using videogames to get one used to the notion of killing, and dehumanize enemies). Note that this doesn't mean people will be violent because of videogames; it just means that it's easier to go through with and divorce oneself from the action. We can also note that adolescent boys are largely informed of sex by pornography. Not knowing which sexual actions are considered normal/safe/healthy can be seen as a result of this.

As much as you'd like to not admit it, you cannot completely divorce your behaviors, actions, and thoughts from material you engage with intimately. Whether this manifests through use of certain phrases, small mannerisms picked up, or thoughts that refer to said material, it will happen. Even if it's fantasy material, I ensure you someone would change slightly after engaging with it many times intimately. We continue to grow and learn with age, and our current state is the result of our experiences. In particular, intimate experiences will have a lasting impression. I consider masturbation to certain material to be intimate, primarily due to the pleasure involved. What one finds arousing will undoubtedly be influenced by the pornography they watch/read. How one behaves around the subjects of the material they look at will also alter slightly.

That is to say, opponents likely don't want any desensitization to child molestation, and they especially don't want young adolescents to have a warped view of it. Furthermore, they don't want people who masturbate often to depictions of children to be around children (which extends to many places due to the ubiquity of them). At this point they find it easier to outlaw than deal with the fact that people have different tastes.
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>>138716434

Now then, I think quite a bit of this is overblown. There are different degrees of desensitization, and I doubt reading loli would desensitize one enough for them to disassociate themself while molesting a child. Furthermore, one would have to be fairly delusional to be influenced by loli enough to to start molesting kids because of it. Those who aren't delusional and claim that it's not enough would have likely succumbed to their degenerate desires anyway, so I wouldn't blame loli for these occurrences.

If actually studies can show how legalization of loli leads to a noticeable increase in child molestation I would probably support its ban. However, such a study likely does not exist (or its methodology is invalid), so it'd be wrong to limit people's freedom.
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>>138716434
Link to the study that proves that violent media makes it possible/easier to divorce yourself from actual violence you are committing.
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>>138713342
It was fairly worthwhile during the cold war years, but it's certainly not done anything productive this side of the millennium.
What we need is a New Warsaw Pact.
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>>138701711
We give moralists far too much attention and it just ends up harming freedom of speech & artistic expression. It's ironic that free speech's greatest threat is the protection it affords to oppressive and regressive ideas like restricted speech and thoughtcrime.
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>>138716500
Japan has one of the lowest child molestation rates in the world.
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>>138716434
This kind of clueless thinking leads to a police state where you're only allowed to consume material deemed "healthy" by the administration.
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>>138716227
Some study actually showed that in countries where 2D loli/shota was legal, there was less real child abuse or something like that. I don't have access to the source at the moment, but you'll find it if you Google it.

>>138716126
No, "to be desu" and ":^3" are the new fresh menes on the market right now.

>>138716430
Estonia, you? I mean realistically I probably won't leave, except maybe for a year or two to travel the world, but that's just a dream. It's just that the the entire case came out of the blue. I've always considered this place be the bastion of free speech and expression. I believe they still haven't decided if he's guilty of producing CP or not, but the fact that it even got so far as to end up in court is fucking insane to me. There are even plenty of fanfiction writers and such here who write the same kind of stuff, and like a quarter of the population seems to know what Boku no Pico is.
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>>138708123
>All those rape doujins are bad only if they are traced
>All those rape doujins are ok because they aren't traced
Just follow your dick.
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I don't give a shit if its wrong or not, I just want to jack off to little girls
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>let thousands of horny Muslims rape every virgin hole in your country
>the problem is obviously cartoon porn

Never change, Europe.
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>>138716999
Enjoy the party van
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>>138715401
>Why does the West love playing morality police?
That's how most rules throughout history have been, imposing morals and life guidelines on the masses. It's just an effective way to get people to walk single file.
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I'm getting more and more convinced this country hates fun.
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>>138715553
I do hope you're not implying that conservatives do not try to push moral standards on people.

All sides do that, there is no faction in this world that does not have some sort of moral standard.
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>>138712268
Meanwhile faggots are treated like some kind of war heroes, and don't forget the
>I-it's a lifestyle, completely not a fetish
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There's nothing but praise in the article. Why the fuck are you niggers talking about loli?
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>>138715401

What I don't understand about the UN is they'll give countries like Indonesia a pass, who are practically committing genocide in West Papua, yet Japan are terrible for "committing crimes against fictional characters?" Someone does not have their priorities straight.
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>>138716835
Germany, but I can see that kind of shit happening here too
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>>138716999
You and everyone else in this thread, they don't care about freedom until it threatens their fap material
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>>138717278
Back to /pol/
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>>138717278
Journalists are actually trying to normalize pedoshit and real CP
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>>138713157
>le Nice Floor man
That nigger has a name, use it and don't act like a filthy crossboarder.
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>>138717313
>Someone does not have their priorities straight
Look up who leads their human rights council. You're in for a surprise
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>>138717313
The only explanation is that we live in a nightmare universe ruled by the devil himself.

There is only just enough happiness to maximize the inevitable pain.
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>>138717368
>somehow they suceed
>without their usual outlet for hatred, normalfags direct all their anger at 2D porn
>loli manga becomes less socially acceptable than pizza
I don't understand how, but this sounds like something that can happen one day. I don't want to live in this world anymore.
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>>138717313
It's easier to criticize non-issues than addressing actual controversies that the powers that be have a stake in.
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>>138717529
Yup.

Most actual child abuse rings are run by groups of powerful men who all cover each others' asses, so all the UN and these NGOs can do is spin their wheels and whinge about pointless shit like manga and violence against women in video games.
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>>138717362
It's true though.
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>>138717275
It's real, and it's hilarious.
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>>138717313
Because they know that Indonesia will just ignore them. The Japanese however have an image to maintain and are forced to listen to the powerless idiots of the UN.
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>>138717415

I'm aware. It was a silly comment really, as soon as you look into the UN, its organisation and its history, their actions make perfect sense.
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>>138717725

I'm not seeing any evidence of Japan doing anything about it or even caring. The few responses to it I've seen have amounted to HAHA UN SO SILLY.

Lets hope the Olympics don't change things.
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>>138717358
I care about freedom. I don't mind that you get the freedom to hate it as long as I get the freedom to read it.
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>>138717827
I said listen, not take action. They'd be insane to actually do anything in response to the UN's whining about Japanese art.
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>>138717358
Yikes, people only care about issues when they're pertinent to them, it's almost as if /a/ isn't a hivemind
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>>138717358
/a/, having her priorities straight
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>>138718172
>her
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>>138717297
That's the funny thing. The article author has a stance against sexuality in manga and is using strategic buzzwords like "exploitation" but the actual content of the article blows away his stance with common sense.
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>>138717203
The liberals and conservatives both hate him, though. He's pulling a lot of anti-establishment and libertarian voters.
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>>138701308
Does anyone actually open the magazine site though? They always have to push it through the sidebar.
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>>138718172
>her
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>>138714407
>implying it's not true on average
I don't really understand why it matters which is literary highest though. To say porn is okay as long as it's art is hypocrisy (though hardly a new one). The BBC article just goes on a tangent, it's not really discussing the actual issue, or even considering why it makes the distinction between ordinary porn and stuff like Kazetoki.
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>>138711497
>the rights of the child should not be "sacrificed at the expense of powerful and lucrative businesses". She points out that "any pornographic representation of a child," real or not, "constitutes child pornography".
>rights of the child
What child?
>>138713861
Hell no! No one has the right to determine that. And Pornography is an art.
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>>138717358
This, unfortunately.
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>>138721297
>What child?
This. I'm kind of surprised with how I've never seen something like this image with a loli in it and "ceci n'est pas un enfant" written under it.
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They want 2D CP to be banned because it's disgusting to them. But you can't ban something merely because it's disgusting. So they bring another plausible reason that it helps real 3D child abuse. Only it's not. There's no evidence 2D CP causes pedo crimes and Japan's sexual crime rate is far lower than those western countries'.
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>>138716835
>quarter of the population seems to know what Boku no Pico is
This guy should get a lifetime monument in the center of Tallinn.
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>>138699893
A ban on loli won't succeed because if loli is banned people will want shota banned and the women don't want shota banned and then the men won't have loli banned.
And even on the opposite end, a lot of women like to self-insert as loli and lots of men wants to self-insert as shota.

This alongside purely economical reasons tied to the strength of the industry itself, is why it has never come to pass before. The furthest anyone ever got was to make explicit content less explicit in public areas such as giant banners and public day time television.
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>>138724283
>the women don't want shota banned and then the men won't have loli banned.
thats not how "equality" works.
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>>138724283
I'm a man and I don't really care about loli. If they try to take away my /ss/, I will riot.
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