Is he right about the current anime industry?

>>138667780
No he did fuck everything up.
Last film was just awful.

yes
He knows it, we know it, yet nothing will change.

>>138667820
>we know it

I don't think so, most of /a/ users watch every seasonal moeshit and haremshit and never realize that they're watching the same thing over and over.

>>138667820
The only way things would change is to make animating a more attractive job to people other than otaku.

>>138667872
Oh I know I'm watching the same thing
I love it. Please help.

>>138667780
Was he right when he said it in the 70s?

He always was right.

>>138667872
Pretty certain the majority of us know we are watching the same shit over and over.

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>>138667780
He's a hack, but still has a point, the industry has gone stale as fuck, but there's nothing much we can do about it, even if the entirety of /a/ wanted it to change, elevens still have shit taste.
I'll be honestly tho, moeshit is a guilty pleasure of mine.

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>>138667780
Yes get rid of all that annoying Tsundere and weird girls, it's bullshit.

>>138667872
But the characters look different!

>>138668313
He never said it in the 70s.

The anime industry is rotting because K-ON bringed this wave of moeshit about cute girls doing cute things.

Yes.

He's a grumpy old Luddite who gets a free ride on his shit films because he made some good ones in the early 90s, but he IS right.

He's right.

>>138668390
And it is watched by people, who can't stand looking at other people.
So go home old hag.

He's onto something.

>>138668396
>The are people who genuinely believe this

Yes, obviously. Do you guys really think anyone has more authority on the subject than him?

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>>138667780
Yeah. But who cares?

>>138668524
>Do you guys really think anyone has more authority on the subject than him
Tezuka, but he's ded.

>>138668524
Who would be better than him?

>>138667780
About as right as Trump and anti-vaccers.

>>138668644
Inb4 Miyazaki's hot opinions on Tezuka.

Yeah. He has been for decades. It's an industry after all.

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>>138668570
hypocrite

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>>138668800
and pedo

>>138668524
Not in movies but he never put his hands on tv anime and the industry around this. Yoshiyuki Tomino, Mitsuo Hashimoto and Hideaki Anno are the ones who are allowed to say shit about TV anime.

>>138667780
I think people should realize that the same problems afflicting the anime industry are also affecting the film industry: power of media and talent agencies, over reliance on a few big names, few original works.

Anime is probably worse because it is almost exclusively marketed and aimed at a shrinking share of the populace.

Luckily, you can make films for like $1 to $5 million and still make something great. Anime isn't so lucky. Animation is expensive as fuck.

>>138668396

didnt lucky star start sll the crap?

Doesn't he make movies and show for kids and families? That type of anime still exists and has nothing to do with Otaku.

I think he makes a very specific type of anime that doesn't really fit into a broader standard of what "anime" is.

>>138668368
But whenever a show comes up that is different, then all the normies and anons shitpost it in unison. You can only blame yourself.

>>138668859
>but he never put his hands on tv anime and the industry around this.

Does Lupin the Third, Future Boy Conan or some of the Masterpiece Theater series ring a bell?

>>138668396
He's been criticizing the industry since the 70s.

>>138668859
lol what?

>>138667780

Of course he's right.

Has anime ever been truly creative? It's always been adaptions of something.

>>138667820
This.

>>138669055
Not really.

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>>138668396
>because K-ON bringed this wave of moeshit
Do you think a wave of moeshit was started by K-ON? Lol. K-ON! is a apotheosis of it. The moeshait started much earlier.

>>138668859
>Not in movies but he never put his hands on tv anime and the industry around this.

But that's factually false.

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>>138669055

>>138669055
Yes. On those occasions where the anime isn't adapted from anything.

>>138669055
There has always been anime originals.

>>138669098
I always forget how friggin' five-headed the characters in Ichigo Mashimaro are.

>>138669070
Yes really.

There is few that come to mind:
Gundam
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Code Geass
Madoka Magica
Shinchiro Watanabe Anime
Some Production I.G. Anime

>>138669219
laughing out loud

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>>138669219
>Madoka Magica

Weak bait.

>>138669219
I worded my post vaguely, not really as in it hasn't always been adaptations, like what you posted. I was disagreeing with him.

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how is no one growing tired of High School settings and themes?

and character archetypes are so predictable...

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>>138668859
Anno and Miyazaki are just losers who unable to compete with modern anime.
And so they angrily envy their more successful colleagues.

>>138669359
Otaku are tasteless morons.

>>138669359
I heard that high school is the only time that japanese people are happy in their entire life, so I guess it's more escapism.

>>138669429
They are unarguably among the most popular directors of anime worldwide.

There is no one more successful.

>>138669429
Who is successfull today in anime, aside from SHAFT, the long runners, and some of the new hype machines (AoT, Sword Art Online, One Punch Man etc.).

And Anno never seemed successfull aside from two (Nadia and NGE)

>>138668859
Lupin
Conan
Nadia

>>138669359
I think it may be escapism. HS was kinda fun. Life sucks.

>>138669442
Not really, japanese College is pretty cool too, is just that entereting to a good one can be pretty hard, but once you're in you can relax.
The problem is that most otaku don't even go to college, so it's easier for them to relate to High School settings.

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>>138669513
>successful today in anime
>One Punch Man

>>138669513
>never seemed successful
He's directing the new Godzilla.

>>138669486
Any director who made some 8+ TV anime is much more professional.
They are mediocrity who consider themselves geniuses because of popularity in the past.

>>138669359
Highschool animes are overused.

>>138669433
>The rise and fall of Japan's otaku in three stages. The first generation are called "otaku aristocrats" -- early adopters from the late Seventies and early Eighties who felt the need to proselytize and convert their friends to the lifestyle. This sense of noblesse oblige eventually gave rise to the second generation of "otaku elite" from the late Eighties through the late Nineties, who spurned and scorned anyone without the good sense to share their taste in entertainment. And finally, this self-centered attitude reached its apex in the current generation of "moé-otaku," purveyors and consumers of anime, comics, and video games that feature infantile female characters instead of plotlines.
Okada takes the current generation of otaku to task for continuing to "ghettoize" themselves, retreating ever-deeper into individual virtual worlds when they encounter any sort of resistance to their interests. Where's the sense of pride, of camraderie? he wonders. He decries their inward focus, their passivity, their apparent lack of desire to learn about or interact with subcultures outside of their own tiny worldviews. (The last is a hallmark difference, at least in Okada's idealized view, between the moe-otaku and traditional old-school otaku, who actually forced themselves to partake of genres or titles they didn't particularly like in order to broaden their horizons.)

>>138669689
I didn't realize we were discussing who was "more professional."

What you assume they think of themselves doesn't factor in either.

If anything we are the exactly audience that Miyazaki hates: people that uses otaku media (chans) to talk about waifus and feed the rotten industry.

>>138667872
I'm aware, and it's shit, but I can't stop.

I hate Miyazaki, he's a faggot who cant find his waifu

>>138670075
Just don't start.

>>138669997
>feed the industry
But I don't buy merchandise or support the industry in anyway because I stopped watching anime a long time ago.

>>138669997
He doesn't fucking own us or anything. We can think or do whatever we want. By your words he sounds a lot like tumblr feminists. Don't do that.

>>138670092
Waifu for faggots.

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Kyoani>P.A.Works>Shaft>J.C.Staff>Deen>......>otaku>Miyazaki

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>>138670273
Kyoani>Shaft>J.C.Staff>P.A.Works>Deen>......>otaku>Miyazaki

>>138670330

Literally off the factory

Toei
Sunsire
Pierrot
Nippon Animation

Are still the best of the olden times.

>>138670273
Have a (You), it's on the house.

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>>138669055

>>138670330
I like shaft
they have my favorite wordswordswords anime and my favorite mind-numbing cute show

>>138669055
there's a lot more if you include adaptations of manga and LNs as extentions of the original work and therefore original

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>>138667780
Of course he is. Just take a look at the catalog in this fucking board.

>>138667780
Yes, just look at what the japanese animation has become.

>>138667872
Enjoy watching one anime every five years.

>>138670484
4chan =/= anime

>>138670511
I do.

>>138669359
People like the archetypes, you fucking idiot.

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>>138670484
>4chan represents the current state of japanese anime

What?

>>138667780
Maybe, but he can't really talk since he made that piece of shit. Spirited Away is his last good film. Howl's, Ponyo and Rises all range from mediocre to two bombs weren't enough.

>>138670484
Yeah, that's a good point, the anime industry nowadays is all about Ran-Sem, Texhnolyze, and spic dubs.

>>138667872
>>138670511
Are you stupid? In this season:
Boku Dake
Rakugo
Haruchika
Konosuba
Gatari xxx

>>138670639
Two of those are haremshit and one is awful.

>>138670639
>Boku Dake
Ok.

>Rakugo
Ok.

>Haruchika
Haremshit.

>Konosuba
Haremshit.

>Gatari xxx
Haremshit.

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>Make the same family oriented movies over and over.
>Thinks his words hold weight.
Nah, All his works were targeting the people who still watch Lady and the Tramp in 2016.

>>138670701
>tripfag

Opinion discarded.

>>138670639
Steins;Gate
Ok
Hibike! Euphonium
Log Horizon
Gatari
I can't see anything new.

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>>138669429


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Fa9TQMaZg

admit it, this always happens with humanity. someone makes something good and there will always be an asshole who complicates everything just because they wanted to make the most profit with the least effort.

let's put bread as an example:

naturally baked bread takes only water, flour and time to make, that's it, you don't need yeast. bacteria naturally grows inside the dough to make bread a very complex meal rich in nutrients. you just need time to let it rest a couple of hours so it rises. totally worth it because it is tastier than that bland shit you get from stores.

commercial bread on the other hand has 31 ingredients... 31!!! what the fuck!? why this many?! because the asshole who wants profit thought that it takes too much time and effort to make bread rise and be nutritious, so they pump dough with all this chemical shit to make up for it. CACHING!!! MONEY MOTHERFUCKER!

same goes with anime. things got stupid because someone wanted to make something more practical. fuck stories, fuck character development, fuck character design, fuck years of art mastery, let's all do the same shit and rig it all in a fucking computer! who gives a shit?! they will pay for it in DVD sales, but don't worry! it has tits and acts like a retarded brain dead child so they don't have to think too hard about the story and there is no way it will hurt their feelings! YES I AM LOOKING AT YOU DAGASHI KASHI... you piece of shit anime.

Fuck this. fuck it all. FUCK MOE, FUCK WAIFUS, FUCK EVERYTHING.

>>138670701
go outside every once in a while lelouch every time i see your posts they seem to be increasingly delusional

>>138667872
>I only watch MATURE anime for adults such as myself

epic

>>138670632
Kek.

>>138670763
What the fuck is this?

>>138670772
With this mentality, you're no different than My Little Pony fans.

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>>138670676
>>138670699
Typical shitposters.

No one bothers to check for the validity of these quotes.
It's gotten to the point where some people actually believe Miyazaki said "Anime was a Mistake"
Don't ever believe quotes on the internet. Ever.

>>138670772
Butthurt Kyoanifag spotted

>>138670522
Oh you know it's like that everywhere else too. All anyone cares about are cute girls.

>>138670834
I like Monogatari and Konosuba, but when the guy accuses /a/ of watching haremshit all the time and your counterexamples are harems, you're not going to get anywhere.

>>138670826
Alright pal, explain to me what mature and 100% serious anime i should watch instead

>>138670772
I enjoy comedies like osomatsu-san so how do you explain that?

>>138670701
You're talking as if Miyazaki has never made something way above the market he profits from.

>>138670676
>>138670699
>gatari
>haremshit
get your memes right anon

>>138670763
I like dagashi kashi
sometimes It's fun to turn off your brain for 30 minutes and watch a mind-numbingly dumb show

>>138670884
I wouldn't say serious but space dandy was pretty entertaining

>>138670904
Gatari is best harem. Any objections?

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>>138670862
>baby rage

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>>138670953
...

>>138670904
SHAFT crossed the line between self awareness and pure pandering years ago.

>>138670763
>rig it all in a fucking computer
Oh you're one of those 80's anime fans that think a few high budget OVAs were all that was produced in the "good old days"

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>>138670884
Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Monster, Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Satoshi Kon movies, Lain, Texhnolyze, Ergo Proxy, just to name a few.

>>138670904
Monogatari is a gourmet harem, they try to hide with "complex" dialogues but it's no different than any other generic haremshit.

Just look at the cover, there's only one male character while the rest are all girls.

Why would Colonel Sanders know anything about anime?

>>138668390
>Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know.
>It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans.
These are good things.

>>138671014
> Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Satoshi Kon movies, Lain, Texhnolyze, Ergo Proxy
List of the most boring anime of decades?

>>138667780

Why make yet another Miyazaki thread when you clearly know what the outcome is gonna be?

>>138671014
>Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Shit
>Monster
Maybe decent
>Tatami Galaxy
Boring
>Ping Pong
Shit
>Lain
Good
>Texhnolyze
Good
>Ergo Proxy
Good

Nice try

>>138671082
no that would be any haremshit that was made in the last decade

>>138667780
Who cares what some old washed up nip has to say.

He'll probably be dead in the next 5 years while masterpieces like Dan-Machi and Konosuba are still being made.

>>138671082
You could argue that Chiaki Konaka series and Ergo Proxy are boring but holy shit, how is any of Yuasa's or Kon's work not enthralling? The pace is always off the roof.

Why do people act like the once a season serious anime is supposed to be the "standard" that all anime are supposed to be?

>>138671132
how well did they do sales wise?

>>138671161
why not?

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I like watching what I watch and I have better taste than anyone on /a/

I'm not seeing any issues. Maybe you guys should just watch what you enjoy, and ignore what some group of fags on /a/ has to say about it.

>>138671014
that doesn't make it a harem. Besides the 3-4 other male characters in the series who make somewhat frequent appearances, only 3 of the girls in the show actually have any kind of romantic feelings for the MC, and the rest just hang around him. of those, he picked 1 to date, and he's tied down forever with another so there's no room for any kind of harem

I jsut don't see how you could compare that to what I consider a harem, something like Nisekoi, where there's at least 4 girls all competing for the boring MC's dick and he refuses to pick one

>>138671014
the epitome of fedora core

>>138671161
why should escapism be the standard for anime and the majority of the content (not to say the film industry doesnt do the same shit)

>>138671227
>only 3 of the girls in the show actually have any kind of romantic
That's enough.

>>138667872
We know we're watching the same shit anon, but we hold out in hopes of there being something great in the pile of shit.

>>138671123
>haremshit
Add this word to auto-hide. Just to remove stupid posts.

>>138671219

>I like watching what I watch and I have better taste than anyone on /a/
>I'm not seeing any issues.

Therein lies your problem, you're delusional

>>138671217
because if you look at regular TV, hardly any of that is original either, you get maybe 1-2 serious, original shows out of every western season.

>>138671276
why would I add that word?

>>138669098
I fucking love this comparison

>>138671161
because people want more serious anime and they then try and force that onto some that are not suppose to be. The fact that there is a lot of moe shit is a problem and humans like changes in tone.
going to what OP said yes and no, its not really the medium but what we have done with it. Everyone sucks Cowboy Bepop's and Ghost in the Shell's dick but they also consume a lot more moe shit.

>>138671257
No particular reason, but if you don't like escapism and only enjoy one or two "serious" anime a season, shouldn't you not spend your free time on a board for anime?

>>138670763
>you don't need yeast. bacteria naturally grows inside the dough to make bread a very complex meal rich in nutrients.

You do realize that the "bacteria" growing inside the dough is actually a wild variant of yeast right?

>>138671265
>ignoring the rest of my post where I mention he is stuck with one for life, dating another, and told the last one "NO" when she mentioned it to him
it's not a harem, no matter how hard you try to force it, it panders a lot, it has a lot of fanservice, just like the source material, but it's not a harem show sorry

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>>138670983

>>138671318
somehow I doubt that you actually watch tv anymore

>>138671227
>only 3
If you dismiss Shinobu as some completely platonic loyalty and pretend his sisters' boyfriends are real, maybe.

>>138671219
If you only do what you like and don't take other opinions about your life style into consideration you turn into shit.
Retard.

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MY ANIME HAS TO BE SERIOUS AND MUST CONTAIN DEEP SYMBOLISM AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT

OTHERWISE IT'S SHIT

Fuck you fags.

If he hates his job so much, why does he continue?

>>138671389
>Show where MC is sexual as fuck with all the girls
>not a harem
Sure man

>>138671417
Wait, actually, you acknowledged Shinobu as stuck with forever, so then are you not counting Cat or Snake?

>>138671371
no you are right anon, I should have specified that. I was too busy being enraged. ever tried real bread? that shit is crunchy and the way it melts in your mouth is something very unique.

>Producer of normalfag movies has pretentious opinions.
As expected.

>>138671442
its either that or a light hearted comedy but all this moe shit is just plain boring

>>138671389
Tell me why, for example, Haiyore Nyaruko-san is harem if it contains all approximately the same elements that you mentioned.

>>138671411
I do, but look at any western station's lineup
>crime drama #300000
>workplace comedy #250
>sitcom #40000000000
most of it is repetitive and rehashed shit, because it's hard to come up with new ideas, which is why you get only a few good shows out of each season even on western TV

>>138671457
isnt he' retired

>>138671370
i dont necessarily dislike escapism i just think it would be better if it wasnt the majority of whats made

also thanks for your concern but i dont go on 4chan too often anymore

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>>138671442

Well it has to be good too

Old anime is better

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Moe = beauty
beauty hater = awful taste
It's just obvious.

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I'm sure we could get out of this rut with a second season of Lucky Star.

>>138667780

Of course he is.

>>138668901

Azumanga Daioh is at the root of moeshit. Not that 90's anime didn't have its own streak of awful in ridiculous bombastic ecchi shows completely devoid of content, or 80s with it's endless robot shows riding gundam's success.

i havent watched any of his anime but i think that guy is a retard

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>>138671539
Moe = shit
beauty hater = awful taste
It's just obvious.

>>138671530
>also thanks for your concern but i dont go on 4chan too often anymore
Then just stay off and don't bother coming at all.

>>138670891
>I like Fujobait shows

Good for you

>>138671511
there's a ton of capeshit out that isnt half bad but there are other things too like suits or 11 22 63

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>>138671531
Old anime is.. old!

ITT: people use moeshit in probably a dozen different ways that we'll never understand because they don't bother defining their buzzwords before deploying them

>>138671607
its funny so its entertaining can you say the same about harem shit?

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is this the /v/ crossboarders thread?

>>138671531
>Gunsmith Cats
My nigga. I still looking for the first instrumental played on the first OVA.

>>138671474
Yeah, my grandmother used to make fresh bread for special occasions.

Admittedly, I'm either too busy or too lazy to make bread myself. Thankfully though, there are local places that make bread every morning.

>>138671531
>no pokemon
0/10

>>138671417
shinobu is romantic but he's tied down to her forever
snake was never interested in the MC as you find out in s2, she was in love with the idea of being in love and the MC was the first guy she latched onto
cat asks the MC out in s2, which gets her a resounding "NO"
doll has an obsession with muscles and an autistic lack of boundaries but nothing more
his sisters and him play incest chicken as part of a couple jokes, but that's it
monkey's a lesbian who just wants to get closer to crab and make the MC feel awkward
crab then is the only girl left, and the girl the MC chose to date and be with

>>138671645
you'd be surprised by the amount of idol master fags on /v/

>>138671531
Looks like a bunch of hipster garbage to me

>>138671161
Kekkai Sensen it's the kind of modern stuff that every anime should be:

>movie quality of animation, audio and plot
>free of any otaku influence
>global appeal aiming not only the japanese audience

>>138671609
it doesn't have to do with how good you think it is
the OP is talking about originality and companies pushing out derivative, pandering shit like capeshit, or the ten millionth CSI show or the newest sitcom from some comedian
which you get maybe 1-2 shows per season that isn't that no matter where you look
why should anime be any different?

>>138671715
this

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Why doesn't japan produce masterpieces like House of cards in anime form?

>>138671531
>golden boy, ping pong club, ghost in the shell, macross plus, lupin movie, slayers movie, armitage 3, gunsmith cats OVAs
Damn 1995 was dank as fuck, probably my favourite year

>>138671642
Whatever makes your dick hard man. I never said it was bad to be gay. And no I don't watch harem shows

>>138671715
>free of any otaku influence
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>138671664
I am sure you also think that Haruhi not harem

>>138671664
This is delusion.

>>138671696
Nah, a lot of those were really popular in their heyday. Some are still really popular.

>>138671759
I can't name one thing other than LoGH that has a focus on political intrigue.

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what happened to shading?

>>138671775
not gay I just thought it was funny

>>138671531
I'd just like to point out that if half of these (particularly in the SoL/comedy/drama sections) came out today they'd be derided as pandering garbage for having ecchi, or girls, or teenagers as major features.

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>>138671588
But moe = beauty. Why are you lying?

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>>138671579
>Azumanga Daioh is at the root of moeshit.

I think it's To Heart, a Visual Novel adaption:

>>138671641
I don't even like shows that depend on moe to get attention but in my mind anyone that uses the term moeshit is from /v/, manimefag or any other kind of obnoxious anime "expert"

>>138671829
costs too much money

>>138671696
wouldn't harem shows be the fedora core type of show around?

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>>138671862
>But moe = beauty
False. Don't try to cheat me.

>>138671869
so you're just retarded then

>>138671715

Kekkai Sensen was garbage. Matsumoto has a no sense of rhythm.

>>138671775
The show itself is not that gay despite all of the fujoshi with weird fetishes popping out of the woodwork.

>>138671868
I think when he says moeshit he means the 4-girls SoL format. To Heart's a harem.

>>138671930
why is this site so obsessed with reddit?

>>138668391
Even that is not true

Just delete all anime that doesn't make a profit, or is very niche (most late night anime)

Return to the 60's and start a new...

Only then anime can be saved.

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things I miss in anime
>silence, there's just no silence in modern anime
>shading
>25 minute episodes
>casual nudity
>and I mean nudity not some forced panty shot
>those animation peaks out of nowhere
>old characters
>openings done by girls and not some jap attempting to be HAAAAAAARDCORE (i'm looking at you fear and loathing)

>>138671846
This. Some of them even have tsundere, that makes them trash for pathetic Japanese betas and not superior manly men like myself.

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>>138671656
you get it anon, it's up to us to pass it on to others and keep our good values.

>>138670330

I must be Aniracist

because...

THEY ALL LOOK THE FUCKING SAME TO ME.

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>>138667780
I am so glad to see that people with good taste still exist in this world. Only we can save anime from the hands of otaku.

>>138671696
The only people who call other "hipsters" are people who have no taste.

Anyone here actually prefer old anime from the 70's and 80's but isn't actually old?

I grew to like Anime with Rose of Versailles, Orginal Dragon Ball, Lupin III and so on and not stuff like Naruto or Death Note.

>>138672101
On the contrary you do not discriminate all the girls. It is worthy of respect.

>>138672145
Like this comment if you're a 90s kid.

Nips are very simplistic with their taste in fiction so all anime are always shallow or pseudo-2deep4me when it actually isn't if you take a moment to understand the creator (That's bad writing BTW).

>>138672211

Liked

>>138672127
why would you post a harem fag with a fedora?

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>>138672145
I do. There's just something about the general artstyle of older shows that appeals to me.

>>138672145
Born in the wrong generation, man, everyone else is so immature and doesn't appreciate the classics.

>>138672235
writing ability isnt determined by nationality why would you say something that's so stupid

>>138672318
Culture and influences are heavily influenced by nationality, and that rubs off in the writing.

I think golden era of anime is 00s. Before it's imitation of the West, then it's parasite on himself.

>>138672145
I do, but I think it may be because it tickles my fancy a bit more with a greater variety of exotic locales.

>>138672353
thanks to the internet people have access to much wider arrange of influences so that's not really an issue

>>138672408
Yes it is.

>>138672428
whatever you say

>>138672145
I like old shit too but lol you're such a fucking fruit.

>>138672408
But that goes back to the point that the old fart made: People are spending too much time not looking at real people.

>>138672466
I get the feeling I didn't change your mind.

>>138672235
To be honest, I think what gives off the impression of Japanese writing being "simple" is that the bits of their literature that manage to trickle into the English-speaking market is quite literally intended for children.

>>138672235
Said the anon whose experience of Jap fiction is 90% anime and 10% manga.

>>138670330
I know only Haruhi. Is it good or bad?

>>138672513
What do you do in this thread?

>>138672551
I came to learn what Miyazaki think of the industry

>>138667780
Yeah, a lot of harems, self-inserts, and Mary Sues are as popular as ever. Not to mention that most studios are stuck at the high school mindset, and that everything meaningful and world changing happened during that time. This isn't mention how poor the writing, especially dialogue, anime seems to think is actually acceptable.

>>138672505
We're talking about anime here. I'm referring to that. I don't doubt that there are some good writing there, but japan as a culture is better when focusing on logic and mathematics.

>>138671141
>ping pong
Literally adds nothing of value. Inferior to the manga and even inferior to the live-action. Good job Yuasa.

>>138672013

Yeah

Self-insert harems go back way further than that. "Moe" as a character archetype is applicable to many things all over the place but the neutered inoffensive otakubaiting SoL commonly known as moeshit is a entirely a 21st century phenomenon.

This is contrary to the distorted /v/eddit view of reality where they throw the term at anything with a cute girl, of course.

>>138672513
>Is it good or bad
it's best to come up with your own opinions, anon

>>138671882
Just like old shows a fedora hat is something very uncommon in these days. Something you might thing you was cool for its own time but you wont actually brag about it.

But a fedorafag wears the hat proudly thinking that attaching him self to something something from the past makes him look sophisticated and separates him from the ignorant masses that cant understand how good things used to be. In times and even brags that even though he is "young" he admires the time where man acted like man.

This is exactly the same thing that happens in this thread

>The past was better
>Everything is shit now
>Only we have good taste everyone else is stupid

Just replace the fedora with LOGH and you are done.

>>138672584
That's like watching children's shows, Hollywood blockbusters, and porn and then deciding that America is better-suited to logic and mathematics.

>>138672573
But you should at first make up their minds on this issue.

>>138672637
You know you could avoid all this confusion if you just called it highschool SoL or four-girl SoL or something instead of "moeshit," since that word originated and is largely used as a buzzword for /v/ crossboarders.

>>138672616
I'm not defending Ping Pong there. I think it's of Yuasa's weakest.

>>138672638
If I hadn't watched any other of these anime, I don't know if they are worth watching, therefore I don't know is it good that I limited myself to get to know only Haruhi

>>138672491
but real people are shit, anon.

>>138672584
It's really silly to experience only one slice of their popular culture and then decide that those narrow subjects are the only things they are suited for.

>>138672761
>I don't know if they are worth watching
only person who can answer that is you

>>138672775
you forget your frog picture

>>138667780
I just want anime that isn't obsessed with high school or harems, is that too much to ask for? I'm even willing to resort to watching college students as an improvement.

Legend of Galactic Heroes

The Ultimate Fedoracore Anime

>>138672810
Not if that is the most popular and influencial culture to the masses and children that are going to be the normal people of the country.

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>>138667780
Didn't he un-retire again to make a CG movie?

Gaze into the abyss and the abyss will gaze into you.

>>138672654
Is all about attitude. I like old shows but I don't circlejerk about muh taste like this fags.

>>138672857
I dunno man, Lain is a contender for the fedoracore champion's belt. What's worse, the "old and mature" or the "deep and psychological" fag?

>>138672852
> is that too much to ask for?

yes. Yes it is.

>>138672877
>anime
>influential to normal people of the country
I guess One Piece is influential on ten-year-old normal people.

>>138671103
>ping pong
>shit
we got a contrarian right here

I agree with everything else bar ergo proxy being good though

>>138672857

Do not try to sully the name of LOGH.

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Another thing I fucking hate in modern anime is that it almost never have a conclusion and when it does it's fucking shit
Since everything is an adptation of a ongoing manga/vn you name it, there's simply no ending whatsoever or some half assed anime only ending
if older anime most of the time the anime would end with everyone dead or the heroes in married and with children
but I guess you can't do it cause NEET's would sperg about their waifus having children

>>138672942
>frogs
Fuck off.

>>138672975
>el peruANO again
fuck off

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>>138672942
Absolutely support.
At many anime the ending is smeared with a hint of sequels and it makes me sad.

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Nigerian guy's mid 2015 tier list.
They seem to love the current industry.

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Just a reminder that Miyazaki and many others from the industry that have spoken against the moe trend don't hate cute girls and they don't pretend to ban your waifus from anime. Nobody hate cute girls on Japan, especially on the anime industry. Miyazaki is obviously a lolicon. The problem is cute girls become the entire center of the industry and everything must work in favor of moe, what limit creativity. Moe put too many restrictions and fanservice used to be a service to the fans, not the center of the industry.

Just a friendly reminder that high schools, harems, tsundere, idols, traps, no shading, shitty endings and probably whatever else you're complaining about, except for CGI mechs, have been standard features for decades.

>>138672775
You're exactly the problem we're talking about.

>>138672852
Is time for you to learn that things not always the way you like (is the opposite actually) move to a different media

>>138672900
Lain is not really 'fedoracore', it's more '2deep' as you mentioned yourself.

Anyway, it's retarded to categorize them like that in the first place, so don't even bother-

>>138672857
LOGH is a good anime, it is flawed, and people often miss what it is about, but it was a nice ride none the less.

Definitely one of my favorites in this medium, despite its rather obvious flaws.

>>138673051
>Nigerian Naruto vs. Bleach threads
Is this the worst place on the internet?

>>138673051
>I don't tolerate whack theories
that's a sick line

>>138673060
But we aren't complaining. We love it.

>>138672942
dumb frogposter

Miyazaki is a hack. He hasn't done a single interesting film since the 90s. His last what, 4? films were nothing but rehashing the same (admittedly pretty) visual style he has always used. It's a shame that people who actually try to innovate and bring new ideas (instead of just hypocritically complaining) like Kon and Nakamura end up dying in their 50s.

>>138673149
I liked Ponyo.

>>138673149
wind rises if one of his bests
only a pleb wouldn't get it

>>138672877
Anime really isn't that influential in Japan right now outside of a handful of shows.

>>138673070
What are you gonna do about it?

Anime culture is one of the key factors for Japan's eventual downfall

>>138673217
So what is influential in japan right now?

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>>138673097
You'd be suprised. There's almost no shitposting, and the only arguing is which character is stronger, or which waifu is better. Everything is civilized discussion from what i've seen so far

>>138673252
I don't have to do anything. You'll do it yourself. Just keep being the way you are.

>>138673149
Aside from Lain, Nakamura really didn't do anything impressive or innovative.

>>138673254
What are you on about?

>>138673178

Care to explain? I haven't watched it since whenever it originally came out, but I remember my main complaint about it being the fact that its entire premise is just a set up for a generic love story in the second half of the movie. I just thought there were so many potential interesting conflicts and character arcs that could have been in the film but none of them were.

>>138673306
Dropping birth rates, Failing economics, massive debt, reclusive men, distracted anime fans, unsatisfied women. You know what i am on about.

>>138673097
Why are you surprised? Black people love fighting shonen.

>>138673280
Crushing debt.

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>>138673289
Incidentally

>>138673280
Not having kids.

>>138673405
Those were caused by Japanese business men, not the anime industry.

>>138673377
try to watch it again but thinking about Jiro as Miyazaki and Planes as anime.

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>>138667872
I notice these things, but I'm one of the many that escape into anime because we find reality and 3D disgusting.

Yes, I notice the cliches and extremely generic characters and plots. That's irrelevant.

I don't get western fans, complaining about fanservice, moe, and other things so much. I guess more westerners are normalfags.

>>138673484
If you think anime has nothing to do with it, you're really delusional mate.

>>138673488

That's literally what I wanted the movie to be going into it. The entire movie could have been a perfect finale to Miyazaki's career. But it shoves it aside to make room for its love story.

>>138673513
Well, anime has pretty much been run into the ground by Japanese businessmen so you're right in that regard.

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>>138673484
Birth rate started to drop right after K-ON aired.

Yes, most of the problems Japan is suffering is anime fault.

>>138673656
>How do birthrates work?: the post

>>138673656
That's population not birth rate. Birth rate has been dropping for a long time.

>>138673632
Jiro's wife represents his personal life and how much he sacrificed for anime
there's a scene where he's smoking with his wife dying by lungs problems by his side

>>138673656
Please never ever fucking have anything to do with statistics in the future.

>>138673734
Are you the same guy who made up some metaphor about how Kaguya was actually about people ruining anime by taking it "into the city"?

>>138673796
no

The only good anime left is Jojo

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>>138673097
No wait, this thread is.

>>138673796
Would anime really be better if most of the studios weren't in Tokyo?

>>138673859
>nevadless

>>138672080
err most modern bread is the product of wheat varieties selected pretty much entirely based on their mechaincal and gross yield properties, taste and nutritional content are rarely considered important at all
similarly with milk and meat, proper milk is high in vitamins and well balanced fat profiles usually from grass or other forages
cheap milk is produced from high yielding holsteins fed extremely low nutritional content feeds other than protein and starch (because real nutritional content is physiologically expensive so the varieties with higher nutritional values inherently yield less)
then the milk is pasteurised to reduce the bacteria content and extend shelf life, all of the milk fat is extracted, passed through a fine mesh to "homogenise" it which reduces the size of the fat globules to prevent the milk fat settling out then mixed back in at variable concentrations to create the laughably titled "whole milk", "semi-skimmed", "skimmed", and "whatever percentage of fat is marketable at the moment"
the monogastrics ie. poultry and pig meat production is produced from a few extremely inbred lines of almost identical very fast growing hybrids
they are bred to convert cheap grain into cheap meat flavoured protein
good food has never in real terms been cheaper yet global food systems especially yours america have become incredibly unhealthy and fixated on marketing crap
good nutrition is incredibly important and in real financial terms provides much improved health and quality of life.
as a general rule the less opportunity some lab monkey to has had to fuck around with it the healthier it tends to be.
<source: farmfag

>>138673513
Nice argument professor meme.

>>138673060

Ever since 00's those trope are being spammed all the time tough.

Can people agree that the market is being flooded?

>>138673968
No.

>>138673968
More like you started watching anime ever since the 00s.

>>138673656
The only thing you proved is that you are an school dropout.

>Miyazaki
trash.jpg

>>138668524
>Do you guys really think anyone has more authority on the subject than him?
There are a number of veterans around I'd say have a more complete perspective than Miyazaki, who has mostly sequestered himself in children's/family anime and movies and spent the last fifty years wishing it were the 60s again.

>>138673656
oh gee what happened just after 1940

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I certainly hope all the posts in this thread is satire.

>>138672821
Fair enough.

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man, I could only dream to taste the best possible bread and cheeses in america. I can only get so far by making anything with commercial stuff. best thing I can do is grow stuff in my garden.

what are your stances with the topic of this thread man?

>>138674258
No idea, man.

>>138674258
>Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors
>first full anime movie
>1944
Fucking otaku did it.

>>138674258
Don't know, I heard it's something related to a little boy and a fat man.

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>>138673975
>>138673995

So why is more anime being made a good thing if the variety doesn't increase?

>>138668670
but Trump is right about a lot of shit

although that's a discussion that belongs in /pol/

>>138674437
And what do little boys and fat men watch? Anime.

>>138674416
> Implying otaku could ever make an anime about killing white pigs.

>>138674451
First off, no one in this conversation ever said it was or even brought that up. Second off, because I'm not an autist who needs everything to be totally unique.

>>138672895
That's his son, who has never ever made something good in directing

>>138674514
And third off, suck my dick! Haha! ;)

He invented anime to be a wholesome friendly medium. Now that dream has been throw out the door thanks to moefags. Killing anime is the only option he has left, but DDoS'ing nyaa can only accomplish so much. He's become a vigilante, a sad clown. He's the hero anime needs, but not the one it deserves.

>>138674558
>;)
kill yourself

>>138668390

>accurately points out the poisonous expectations 2D waifus give otaku
>otaku, in response, will say their 2D waifus are better than real women anyway

the future refused to change

>>138674637
[lennyface]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzocnfLccs8

THIS VIDEO SUMS IT UP. I CANT BELIEVE I WASTED YEARS OF MY LIFE WHEN THIS INDUSTRY HAS BECOME SHIT

>>138674691
>digibrony
Why did you make me give him an extra view? reeee!

>>138669359

every fucking season half or more of the shows are harems set in wacky high schools. My backlog's way too big as it is with the few unique shows coming out each season, I can't imagine how bad it'd be if I was into that shit anymore.

And everything's based on an LN these days. Everything.

>>138674474
>implying otaku aren't nationalist fucks

>>138674761
>And everything's based on an LN these days. Everything.
I wish for just a week the mods would start banning people for obviously incorrect shit like this. They should also get the people misusing "seinen".

>>138674808

way to ignore my overall point. harems and high school are inescapable cancer.

>>138674845
I'm not even interested in your overall point, I'm interested in how someone can be so fucking wrong. Am I not allowed to reply to you unless I'm talking about certain parts of what you said?

>>138674691
>digibrony tries to meme
he isn't good at it

>>138674691

Isnt that the faggot who completly dismisses all anime before Evangelion being kids and family stuff (or made for a "broad audience" cause that is bad right)

>>138674668
I have a strong feeling that the people that say that and actually mean it will either change once they get older or commit suicide because even living has become too "troublesome."

No, he's not. There's still a lot of stuff coming out that caters to all niches. And no, for people complaining here, there isn't anything wrong with high school settings or moe either. It has fans, and they support it. Why the fuck would the opinions of people who don't buy a single damn thing matter at all anyways?

Honestly, I don't even know why most of the people bitching here even watch anime. If you think it's all garbage and beneath your superior taste, why keep watching it?

>>138675124
Are you saying because something has fans there's nothing wrong with it? Disgusting.

>>138674882

well, I'm right about haremshit and highschool hijinks composing a stupendous amount of every season's anime. I was using hyperbole about LNs.

So yeah, I'm half-right, half-not-really-wrong.

>>138675208
No, I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with the genre period. You may not like it, but unless you actually buy the series you do like, your opinion is meaningless compared to the fans that go out and buy the actual products. And that's all irrelevant, because there is other stuff being produced as well, if you don't like harems/moe/highschool settings, etc. fine, watch something else. But this constant bitching is pretty stupid.

We get "original" anime every season and they flop hard because contrary to pretentious belief, they don't sell that well

>>138674540
i'm talking about kemushi no boro, not ronya.

>>138675347
>hyperbole
>half-not-really-wrong
You were completely wrong, LN adaptations are typically 10-15% of a season.

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>>138670330
Fixed.

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>>138675461

>>138675507
Seek psychiatric help already, you have a problem.

>>138675536
Yes, posting the second-best-selling original of all time, from five years ago, really disproves his argument about originals in general.

>>138675538
Dude, I just added a studio and fix the KyoAni panel, calm down.