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http://fate-extella.jp/
http://project-cosmos.jp/
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201603/15101279.html

Wow. It's fucking nothing.
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>>138664943
LMAO 2SABER
2SABER
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You can buy some FGO currency while you're at it too!
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>>138664943
>people are upset about this
Why? Fate musou is a great idea. I bet there'll be more playable Servants too, seems unlikely that they'd just cut Archer out all of a sudden.
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>>138665111
People were hyped to see something more than "you can look at Attila's slutty butt now all day". If it just came out of nowhere then people'd be like "okay cool I guess".
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>>138665180
What the fuck are you talking about? It did come out of nowhere. Who was expecting this?
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>>138665232
I'm pretty sure there was a timer for an announcement, and people wanted something better than another random ass video game.
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>>138665271
What did you want that you thought would be better?
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>>138665271
Everyone knew it was a game because of Hakuno command seal being in the source code
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>>138665451
I didn't want anything I'm just saying, people are mostly disappointed because they expected something better or something with different characters. Aka just general bitching.
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>DW clone

Is Dynasty Warriors the japanese Assassin's Creed or what?
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>>138665496
Well if those people expected anything other than another Extra game or anime announcement then they're delusional retards because that countdown page was blatantly Extra-related. I think an anime would have been far inferior to this, which is new material that seems like it actually has a chance at being a fun game too. So from my perspective this is pretty much the best possible outcome.
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>>138665582
Good for you? I mean if people are upset then they're upset, I don't really care to be honest.
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>>138664943
I'm curious to where the story picks off from.

It possibly couldn't star Hakuno again
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>>138665630
Yes, I'm sure that's why you spent all this time replying to me.
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>>138665652
I replied because you asked a question, I'm not really sure what you're expecting from me. I mean, Attila is pretty cute I guess but that's pretty much all of my opinions.
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>>138665641
>It possibly couldn't star Hakuno again
He's literally right there on the promotional art.

Unless you're suggesting some other brown-haired guy with Nero as a Servant is the protagonist now.
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>>138666010
Brown hair is common enough
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>>138664943
It's not a port or some stupid anime, good
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>localization never
Is it possible for JP Vita games to be patched to english? I know it's not happening for the PS4 version but I'd still like to play this someday.
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>>138666623
There is an higher probability for the PS4 to get patched to english
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TSUKIHIME REMAKE NEVER.
MAHOYO NEVER.
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>>138664943
Well, at least HxH is back.

Fuck you Nasu
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>>138666623
Just import it, PS4 and vita aren't regionlocked.
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>>138666010
Hakuno isn't a redhead anon and that guy has a different haircut. Unless his sprite change vastly, it's not the same person.
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>>138666722
But I can't read moonrunes ;_;
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>>138665641
Not posting best Sakura.
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>>138666623
Why the fuck would you translate one, but not this or CCC?
Were sales here in the states THAT bad?
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>>138664943
bigger
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>>138666764
It's a musou game, it's guaranteed to be voiced and all you do is mash.
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>>138666835
Not big enough.
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>>138666888
Waifu2x version
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>>138664943
Wow, it's a picture for ants.
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>>138666783
Where is this from
And is there a BB/Lip version of it
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You know, I could actually deal if they made a Fate/Musou.
The issue for me however is that I would have always expected a Type Musou to cover the entire universe rather than just Fate.

I try to live in denial that Fate hasn't straight up taken over but it becomes harder and harder everyday to live this illusion
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Wada redesign of huke character
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>>138667175
I was actually hoping for a fighting game since it's the type of game that can handle the multiverse shit and the "everything is canon" mentality.
Plus it would actually be fun
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This is a Japanese kitsune
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>>138667139
A fan took notice that Melt is voiced by Hayamin, and made a parody video of her dressed as Manaka from Love Plus. Unfortunately, there are no BB or Lip's versions. Video is called 一番くじプレミアム NEWサバプラス メルトリリスver.
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So what are the chances it'll get localized?

It's on PS4 and Vita which aren't dead in the west like the PSP was so pretty good right?
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>>138664943
If they keep releasing more games, then maybe the Fate-fags will go to /v/ for their threads.
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>>138667390
>Vita which aren't dead in the west
Vita is dead in the West. Well, it was never alive.
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>>138667390
About 10%
Remember that the only game that Type-Moon will release in the west it's Melty Blood, and that's only because it's Arcsys doing it
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>>138667376
Seiyuufags are scary
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>>138667393
Aniplex says no
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I don't get it, is this stricly a Musou spinoff or an actual Extra entry (with a huge script like CCC) just replacing the RPG system with an action system?
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>>138667393
Not a chance. The Fate fanbase is one of the oldest and most established on /a/. Even if Fate franchise were to stop making anything but video games they would still be excepted here as evidenced by this thread and all the threads for G/O.
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>>138665451
People like to think that Fate's primary medium is anime.

Those same people are fucking retarded, though.
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>>138667364
Isn't it great?
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>>138667439
Yeah but Extra got translated and that was for the PSP (and it actually sold more in the West than in Japan)

So it makes sense if this one was translated seeing as the PS4 is going strong (and PSV could use more games)
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>>138667530
Better than the KanColle threads.
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>>138667530
>accepted
I just woke up. Shut up.
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>>138667175
I'm zero hyped for this shit. Why the fuck is the company still called Type Moon, might as well change the name to Fate/something.
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>>138667288
While a fighting game would be sweet. You generally don't see fighting games having 50-120+ characters in them.
Any mainline musou has at least 50 while the crossover has about 120.
Given just how many characters are in the series and how many people would bitch and moan that their favourite character isn't in if it was a fighting game, I'd personally argue a musou game would be better off for getting in as many characters as possible without just making Battle Moon Wars 2 Fate vs the World editions.
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>>138667439
Fate/EXTRA and Fate/Unlimited Codes were also released on the west
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>>138667530
Video games is the future for the Fate franchise now. Fate/Go and CCC is more popular/profitable than any of the core anime/VN. You can't stop it anymore, /v/ will soon be able to decide where they will take the Fate franchise in the future. You will eventually have to leave /a/ for /v/.
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>>138667625
At this point, I'm close to agreeing. The fact Types don't even have any relevance anymore really makes it feel out of place.
It should just be called Fate/Saber
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>>138667627
I mean you can arrive to 60 characters or something. Sure a musou it's better for just throwing characters in there, but for me they aren't as fun.
Melty Blood lobbies in /a/ were great.
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>>138667439
That 3D fighting game got released in english too, at least PSP version.
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>>138665564
No, because Dynasty Warriors actually has a fun game or spin off now and then
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Since this is published by Marvelous I'd say it has pretty good chances of coming west. Only shitty thing is if there's a lot of CCC shit in it, since there's no way we're getting that.
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>>138667390
It will come, just like Realta Nua and hollow ataraxia did
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Reminder that Arc was Berserker in this series meaning Arc is going to be in this game, in 3D
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>>138667950
I mean, why did we get Extra but not CCC?
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>>138667984
Too lewd for the West.
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>>138667781
All we need to do is just make it Fate May Cry if we can't get in a lot of characters.
Melty only works because of the very few characters it actually has.
It works to it's advantage that it only takes from Tsukihime/Ryougi.
Though I personally believe adding in KnK Touko as a playable fighter would benefit it greatly.
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>>138665564
>DW clone

I don't mind a DW clone as long as they get a music right. It is the only saving grace of DW series.
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>>138668022
No, it's because it was 2013 and the PSP was dead by then in the West
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>>138668035
Fate May Cry actually implies good combat though. And to be fair even BlazBlue has 32 characters as of Central Fiction. Maybe a fighting game would work as a new story completely.
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>>138667950
They could always try a PC release of CCC. Going by recent poll numbers, CCC is one of the most wanted "VN" translation, if not the most.
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>>138668051
>It is the only saving grace of DW series.

I mean, if you enjoy the most stock and generic of guitar riffs, sure.
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>>138668076
Which is bullshit because Aksys Games was still releasing PSP games at that time.
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>>138668168
>>I mean, if you enjoy the most stock and generic of guitar riffs, sure.
I do. They are background musics so they work perfectly fine there.

>generic
Because it has guitar?
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>>138668109
I am an optimist. I cannot bring myself to believe that they would just do a cash-in riding on the popularity of FGO and the overall Fate franchise to make a half-assed game for more money using popular characters as the main attraction for fans of the series with expendable money to waste said income on.

I would prefer a 2D fighter if they did go the Melty Route. The 3D fighters they've had have been shit.
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>>138667625

Considering that Fate established them past a doujin group and into a legitimate company, as well as the fact that it is easily the most loved series despite what a few people say, why wouldn't they use it in this turbulent market?
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>>138668274
never 4get
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>>138668991
That's what I'm saying. Might as well change the company's name to something other than Type Moon if they are going to keep releasing only Fate games.
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>>138668991
Also being the most well liked doesn't mean everyone has to agree it's good. Twilight and Naruto are well liked, yes, but does that make them good?
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>>138665032

I actually agree. Just because it's yet another Fate related topic doesn't mean it belongs on /a
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>>138665180

People are fucking stupid and should have read the signs better. It was stated multiple times the website was registered to Marvelous Inc, a video game company.
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Video game content apparently okay on /a/ now as long as it's Dear Fate.
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>more Tamamo
Fuck yeah.
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>>138665111
Don't let yourself be fooled by a couple of salty posts. This is going to be a hit, whether is good or it sucks, like most Type-Moon works. I'm also sure that there'll be more playable Servants, at least 10.
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>>138665564

I will never have the right autism to find those games fun. Always thought the gameplay was utter garbage with little to no noticeable replay value. Biggest reason I never bothered with the One Piece spin-off games.

Would have been excited if it was a new Fate/Extra.
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>>138671898
To be fair the musou genre fits Fate more
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>>>/jp/
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>>138670561
>Fluffy tail adventure 2: Action Edition
I am on board
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>>138666825
>Were sales here in the states THAT bad?
IIRC When asked about the sales an aksys rep posted a .gif of Scrooge McDuck jumping into a pile of gold.

I think the reason CCC was never translated is because psp is dead.
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>>138665641
Probably some incarnation of Hakuno or maybe their real-world bodies
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>>138672477
Or because it was too lewd
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>>138673864
Nah, that might be a factor but it's probably because porting a PsP game to Vita (which is what they'd need to do) is just too much of an annoyance to do.
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It has Nasu going batshit with the story.

Let's see what he comes up with.
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>>138668274
>The 3D fighters they've had have been shit.
Fate Unlimited Codes wasn't shit if that's what you're referring to.
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>>138669384

Not saying you have to agree, but they do produce and stand behind other things other than Fate. Furthermore, Fate itself encompasses more than just the Fuyuki Grail War. We have the Church, the Association, and many more areas and organizations of interest.

Fate is popular because it's so open ended, and the characters so motivated and usable for other things.
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>>138672334
But will she finally get more tails like in GO?
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>>138674805
She's gotta transform here as well.
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>>138674659
Type Moon is made up almost entirely of Fae nowadays. Look at how long it takes to release a single non-Fate game vs a Fate game. It's a small fraction of the time.

Fate got popular because it had the right amount of budget to become a hit and the author likes to write about it. Other series like Tsukihime have an entire world that's left unexplored because Nasu prefers to write Fate and it won't give them enough money anyway.
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>>138674934
So, the author likes to write about something and it gives him money. Why shouldn't he do it again?
To please some bitter fucks on the internet?
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>>138675140
I don't know. Consideration for his old fans maybe?
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>>138674934

Tsukihime was a more narrowly focused story. Let's look at the facts on all the characters, Shiki is on his way out in a few years, Ciel is good for material, Arc is sealed, Akiha/Kohaku/Hisui (RIP) are more than likely not gonna be involved, Nrvnsqr and Roa/SHIKI are dead, Satsuki was wasted potential, etc. The story is pretty much wrapped up in its current form with maybe an OVA's worth of exposition needed.

You could flesh out more of the organizations in other works and it works fine. Nothing precisely Tsukihime exclusive.

The reason why Nasu has been so cagey about the Remake (and even cagier about a Tsukihime 2)and such is because he is developing it into something that can work towards opening things up more. This remake promises additional characters and additional routes for a reason.

Look at his MO, this new Extra game came about because people really took to Extra and was in development in secret, Takeuchi boldly saying it's seperate from the main franchise THIS time. Meaning concerning other IPs, you might just want to trust them to return to it when they are ready. Because I really think he is trying to make his universes the next Gundam.
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>>138675274
And why should he do that rather than do something he both loves and makes lot of money out of?
Why shouldn't people work on stuff they love if they can make money out of it?
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>>138675274
This is actual entitlement.
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>>138675700
>Tsukihime was a more narrowly focused story

Not really. Prelude and Talk had a lot of potential. It could have been expanded into something bigger. Nervmind that the existence of Melty Blood already proves you wrong on the idea that Tsukihime couldn't be expanded.
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>>138667227
Wada's Altera is way better than Huke's design.
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>>138675768
Like I said, consideration towards his old fans. He'll lose his old fans at this rate (if he hasn't already), the same ones that helped him make the Type Moon company as big as it is now.
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>>138676047
And why should he care about those bitter fucks when he has other fans that will give him money for what he likes writing?
Why do the older fans deserve more consideration than the new ones in his eyes?
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>>138676119
>>138676119
>And why should he care about those bitter fucks

I don't know, I'll like to believe he isn't an asshole and he cares about his dedicated fans that actually support his earlier works.

>Why do the older fans deserve more consideration

Nobody said this. Thing is he has given nothing that would catter his older more dedicated fans in years, nothing at all. Cattering to new fans is all fine and good, but those same fans are unlikely to be as dedicated as the ones that have been there since more than a decade.
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>>138675983

Prelude and Talk are good OVA fodder as they are. It's like saying you could make something substantial currently with Notes, when it too is OVA sized without rework.

Good point on Melty, though it doesn't help the storyline is convuluted and at some points very dubiously canon, the fighting game syndrome. But since we are getting a new Melty doesn't that mean you are kind of wrong about us getting only Fate?
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>>138666010
That's Arjuna.
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>>138675274
You should never fucking do that look at Kojima and MGS4.

Nasu wants to do more Extra because it lets him go all out with the crazy magical science fiction.
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>>138676677
>Prelude and Talk are good OVA fodder as they are

The whole plot with the Dark Six revival, the fight between the DAA, Church and the MA. You could have made an entire game with it, either novel or in almost any medium, yes.

>But since we are getting a new Melty

We got promised a new Tsukihime too. That was almost 10 years ago.
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>>138674316
Nah, it wasn't that good. It was acceptable for a game but it was never seen as a competitive fighter like Street Fighter or Guilty Gear, or even Melty. There was no way it would have shown up in any tournament.
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>>138665564
Its called Musou you retarded faggot. And its popular enough that Koei has it made with anime like:

- Fist of the North Star
- Gundam
- Arslan Senki
- Kamen Rider
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>>138667689
That's why there's three TM novel series being published right now, right?
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>>138674316
King vs Saitama.webm
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>>138677376
You must be really uninformed then, A-Cho occasionally hosts tournaments for it, as well as Athena Nihonbashi. When I visited Japan I saw it getting significant play at the latter.

I guess if you are talking about American tournaments then yeah, I don't really follow those, because people aren't good at fighting games in America.
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>>138667227
All I see is this when I see her weapon
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>>138676378
Funny because Fate/Stay Night was released in Japan.more than a decade ago, so Fatefags would count as loyal older fans and thus, writing more Fate would count as catering to them
Also, apparently doing what you like and gives you money counts as being an asshole because it's not what some bitter fucks want
Okay, then
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>>>/v/
fuck off
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>>138679651
More than half of the Fate fanbase are secondaries who's first introduction to the series was Deen and the F/Z anime.

And doing what gives you money isn't being an asshole, neglecting your old fans that supported you until then is.Though I wouldn't expect some Fate kid that eats up any new Fate shit material that the current Type Moon regurgitates to understand.
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>>138665271
>Video game series gets more video games
holy shit, I'm so mad right now
I think I'll send Nasu a strongly-worded e-mail
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>>138664943
>>138680243
mfw when this is bait. Just a random spinoff game. Doubt its the huge announcement. Still not buying into this. Wait until the end of the month fags.
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>>138667627
>You generally don't see fighting games having 50-120+ characters
Melty Blood
Marvel
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>>138680641
Melty only has like 30, I think.

MvC2 is insane.
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Fate Stay Night was a mistake
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Typemoon, kings of kusoge
i hope nasu just fucking dies
he deserves it fot switchbaiting his audience like this for a decade
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Nasu fucking cucked me with all this Fate shit
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>>138675983
>Nervmind that the existence of Melty Blood already proves you wrong on the idea that Tsukihime couldn't be expanded.

The plot of every fucking single Melty Blood that actually had a plot to speak of has been either "Oh shit Wallachia!" and "Oh shit something aping Wallachia!" That's it. They still take place in fucking Misaki with the same narrow cast of characters, many of which are just illusions that won't exist outside the Wallachia-copycat-of-the-day's influence.

The first MB had a story that only "expanded" in so far as it introduced one more character to Misaki, one more character who gets killed in Sion's backstory, and one more enemy who gets killed by the end of that game. Every single game since then has just been working among those exact constraints. Nobody in this story is going fucking anywhere.

Grand Order has done more with the Atlas Institute than Sion or anything related to her ever did.
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>>138680706
FSN was fine, Zero is where the whole thing went haywire since it attracted the casuals and started the whole "let's make servants up" trend
should've stayed a porn game series
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>Fate action game for PS4

BASED
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>>138681094
To be fair, back then, the only fighting game that had an almost possibly barely acceptable plot was Guilty Gear. No one expected massive story progression or character development from a fighter.
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Who is ready for the influx of even more Good Civilization?
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>>138679967
You sound like a whiny asshole becaudse the company isn't doing stuff you like anymore
Even though Nasu is having fun and getting money writing Fate stuff, he's still gotta pander to you for SOME reason
Stop whining, baby
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>>138682044
Yeah, if Melty was remade it would definitely have a Blazblue-like plot.
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>>>/v/
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>>138667866
dynasty warriors is boring as fuck
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>>138681147
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>>138683584
You have shit taste, senpai.
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>>138683680
you literally fight waves and waves of the same enemies over and over with shallow fighting styles
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>mfw Sakura and Hakuno thought they escaped from the Mooncell, but they're still inside of it all along

I hope BB is still alive. ;_;
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>>138683780
>shallow fighting styles
You also haven't played the latest DW games either I take it.
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>>138683831
They escaped, but due to escaping the Moonell started to leak upon the Earth, and now monsters rampage throughout. However now that the world has become a digital hell-hole, your servant can also be resummoned back to your side. Hakuno must fight his way back into the Mooncell to finally shut down the core once and for all.

Either that, or they'll go with the multiple Hakunos explanation. Technically there are three Hakunos within one world-line now.

Data Hakuno(Reset, within the Mooncell)
Data Hakuno Post-CCC (Escaped the Mooncell, on Earth)
Flesh Hakuno (In the Middle East on the run from the law)
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>>138664943
This better have more Sabers.
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>>138683780
From what I've heard all the latest entries to Musou, main series and spin offs, have been really good.
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>>138684194
But we need a Lancer.
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>>138683875
if you mean that dragon quest spin off then yeah I guess it was a sold 7/10 because I played 8 empires and it showed a severe lack of quality
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>>138684417
>8 Empires
>not 8 XL
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This shit is real gay.
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>>138668076
nigga we got PSP games last year
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Where's my pachinko?
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>>138682195
What is her personality like?
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>Game comes out
>It is compatible with Playstation VR
>Can actually go in your room with your Servant.

You can pet Nero.
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>>138685180
She's not Atilla the Hun she's an ayylien or the daughter of Mars. Every Servant calls her a fake and she just knows how to destroy thats it. Her wish is to be a farmer or to live a simpler live because she wants to experience it
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>>138685733
Anon please. I don't want to want things I'll never be able to have. Being able to pet Tamamo would be way better especially if you set up some softness where her tail was for realistic fluffy tail touching.
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>>138684039
Will Nero and Tamamo be the Nero and Tamamo from the Near Side adventures or Far Side adventures?
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>>138685180
An autistic alien.
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Did anyone pick up the Arslan Senki musou game?
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>>138685779
You keep trying to spread this meme on different boards

She is Atilla the Hun
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>More Fate
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>>138684039
Hopefully it takes place in the real world so that we can get that Arcueid rematch as a secret boss. She promised to pay you back, remember.
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>>138687097
Only Post-CCC Hakuno would remember

Since he's the Hakuno that experienced everything, and made it out.
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>>138687138
Well CCC is the canon route, no? Hopefully this games takes place after that.
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>>138668991
>Considering that Fate established them past a doujin group and into a legitimate company
You mean Tsukihime and it's sequels. Retard.

When Fate was published TM was already a genuine company, where do you think the money came from? Nasu from the future?
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>>138674316
UC was garbage nigger. It bombed
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>>138686756
aside from the illya and the original adaptation its alright
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>>138677450
those were all terrible they should have outsourced the fate game to capcom or platinum
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fuck everything

nasu is dead
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>>138688947
Pretty accurate besides CCC not having a good reaction. It's the best Fate.
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>>138688947
Fate/CCC > Fate/stay night > Fate/hollow ataraxia > Fate/Zero > Fate/Grand Order > Fate/EXTRA > Fate/Unlimited Codes
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fate franchise is fucking done for
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>>138688947
>UBW
>Good
>F/HA
>Same as Fate route

Opinion discarded
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>>138687356
Secret boss is going to be female Hakuno as a Savior. She will call herself Xavier.
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>>138689509
>UBW
>Good

it's the best, actually.
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>>138688947
KnK=Tsukihime as a whole(+Disc,KT,MB)=Heaven's Feel >>> Rest of Fateshit>>>F/GO
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>>138689761
If you're going to like only one F/SN route at least do it right. UBW eclipses the other two in pacing, characterization and themes.
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>>138689452
>Making 200K a day at it's lowest.
>Done for.

Top kek.
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>>138689898
I'll give you pacing. As for themes UBW and HF are pretty even. HF is still better written
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>>138689898
UBW-fag here.

It's a toss-up and you can like all three for different reasons. HF was where shit got as real as it could possibly get. UBW had the best heroine, best ideals, and best Shirou. Fate had the best romance, though it's a win by default since UBW was mostly Archer/Shirou and HF's sucked ass.
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>>138690046
Not that guy, but there are a lot of narrative problems with HF, particularly surrounding Sakura.

And I'm not just memeing on that. I don't find her to be a very well written character, and that's a problem considering a lot of the plot focuses around her.
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>>138689986

Estimate was about 100K for today but at least we seem down from that bullshit million a day number so baby steps from the Fate troll brigade. I guess people are just going to pretend that never happened and that 200K is the new de facto magic number, every single day.

Also this thread really belongs on /v/
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>>138690118
>UBW had the best heroine
Archer?

>best ideals, and best Shirou
>I want to save everyone!

Literally every shonen ever.

>I want to be seigi no mikata even if everyone(and with reason) tell me it's wrong! Even If I know it might not be possible
Literally every shonen mc ever.

>Fate had the best romance
Said literally no-one ever, not even it's own creator.

>HF's sucked ass
Not even urobutcher agrees with you and the guy hates romance. Nasu himself says it's the most natural of the bunch.


>>138690135
>but there are a lot of narrative problems with HF, particularly surrounding Sakura.
Funny mang, because I remember Rin being the butt of the joke about not being the focus in her own route. Like Nasu himself jokes about it levels.
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>>138690529
Agree, Shirou realizing he can't save everyone and instead focusing on the people he loves is much more mature and realistic than being retarded until the bitter end. It's also a much better character arc than going from 'I want to be a hero' to 'HOLY FUCKING SHIT I REALLY FUCKING WANT TO BE A HERO'.

Rin failed badly in that route too. Saber agreed with Shirou so it's fine if he ends like that but Rin couldn't do a thing to change his mind which is sad.

Also
>inb4 muh mature memes
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>>138689739
That's wrong tho, Zero is the best.
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>>138690529
The thing is, Rin is a fully fleshed out character. She's prominent in every route, and in fact, you see things from her perspective at the very start. She's the protagonist of the prologue.

Sakura though has issues. She's supposed to be the one who's known Shirou the most, and they have the deepest bond, but you and I, the reader, don't get to experience that.

In fact, it's kind of the opposite for us. We spend 500k words with Saber and Rin. We see multiple facets of their lives and personalities, and watch them grow and change. Shirou might have known them for a less amount of time, but we're already clearly invested.

With Sakura, she's essentially absent in the first two routes of the game. She gets minor appearances, but you don't really know her, or find a reason to care beyond a superficial level.

HF though packs everything in, but it's just whammy after whammy of weird shit.

I see a bit of her being sweet, and then we find out she's literally been fucking worms for a decade, and might be involved with a series of murders.

Now that's kind of interesting, but the story really wants me to care about her, and take her side. HF is all about saving Sakura, but there are so many twisted things surrounding her, that she becomes polarizing, and I don't think in a way that was intended.

Imagine if Saber or Rin were in her place. You, the reader, would be instantly more invested in their plights, because you've already spent countless hours with them.

With Sakura, I have no attachment, and that sullies a story all about giving up everything for the one you love.

I didn't love her.
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>>138690529
>>138690615
I also think you two might misunderstand Shirou's character arc in UBW.

His arc and his answer isn't wrong. That's a cornerstone of the plot. "It's not a mistake".

Shirou does realize he can't save everyone, and that life isn't all fairy tales and roses. He chooses though to push forward with the ideal of wanting to help others, because he knows it's inherently good.

There might be struggles along the way, certainly. Archer showed him first hand. He also may commit sins that he'll end up regretting, but in the end, he'll put more good into the world than bad, and he's okay with that.

I'm not saying HF's answer is wrong, but I would highly argue that UBW's is the most nuanced. It can't really be summed up in a short sentence.
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>>138690682
All you said was that you couldn't self insert into Shirou loving Sakura.

> but there are so many twisted things surrounding her, that she becomes polarizing
Not really unless you're really retarded.
Girl gets raped>puts up a front to seem happy and fools everyone>shit happens>front falls off>girl goes insane. The rest
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>>138690915
It's not about self-insertion, it's about reader investment.

For instance, we're told that Shirou and Sakura have known each other for a long while. She nursed him when he was injured, and they grew attached to each other.

But we don't see it.

In HF, they basically just fall into a relationship. They've known each other, they care about each other, and admit they love each other.

But the reader doesn't get to see the groundwork.

You do with Saber and Rin, and while with them the romance is developed over a much shorter span of time, it works because you see it have a proper start, middle, and end.

Also you are a kidder if you don't think Sakura is a polarizing character. She's been polarizing people for a decade.
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>>138690529
Fucking morons missing the base point of UBW. I cringe every time I see this kind of post.
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>>138690999
The build up and groundwork in particular is important with HF's situation, because her life is just so fucked up. You need to establish that there's lots of good about her to make the reader appreciate the sacrifices Shirou makes for her.

With Saber and Rin, the situation would have had ten times more impact, due to the fact that you had seen their triumphs, failures, vulnerabilities, and different aspects of their personality. You want to see them succeed.

It's not as much with Sakura's case though. She's just this girl you see, and then you find out horrible, horrible things surround her life.
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>>138690774
>That's a cornerstone of the plot. "It's not a mistake".
No, that's Shirou's answer. Answer we already know is wrong but he decides it's not a mistake because it's "beautiful". And we all know that his answer is like that because he's obsessed with it, as in mentally fucked up.

Fate presents the ideal, UBW makes Shirou go through with it against some minor odds(in the end he would sacrifice himself if he became Archer, something he's ok with it since he's cray), HF puts some REAL weight against the ideal and in the end the ideal loses against the "real" thing, symbolized when Shirou kills Saber, the heroine that supported that flawed ideal.

Don't believe me? There's even an instance in UBW where the Seigi no Mikata facade disappears, Shirou fully forgets about his "ideal" when he thinks about killing Rin if she puts Taiga in danger.

>He chooses though to push forward with the ideal of wanting to help others, because he knows it's inherently good.

He says that he only does it because it's pretty to him. He's not thinking about some greater good.
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>>138691094
Feel free to reply with arguments or don't do it, shonenbaby
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>>138691103
Another person who misunderstands Shirou in UBW.

I mean do you not realize that the Taiga scene happened before most of Shirou's character development in the route? He hadn't had his conflict with Archer, he hadn't grown.

Archer presents to him the sins of following his ideal. He is shown the memories of his potential future of killing others to save more. All these scenarios are placed right inside his mind, and when the time comes to answer if he accepts those potential sins, he says yes.

He says yes in the face of forgoing his own humanity, because he knows that the choice is right.

At the start of every route, Shirou does believe in his ideal, but his beliefs and faith get shaken throughout the stories. The end results either have him giving them up, or hardening them to be stronger than ever before.

The situation with Taiga was just around when Shirou was reaching his weakest point in the narrative, and from there, he grew stronger, and so did his will.
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>>138691212
>Another person who misunderstands Shirou in UBW.
You've repeated this like 5 times already m8, it won't make it true.

>He says yes in the face of forgoing his own humanity, because he knows that the choice is right.

Wrong, he says yes because he DOESN'T CARE about his own self, as we already know. Shirou doesn't do things for the greater good, he does them because to him it's beautiful, he himself admits it.

>The situation with Taiga was just around when Shirou was reaching his weakest point in the narrative, and from there, he grew stronger, and so did his will.

You don't have any proof here, i'm posting examples you're posting 'hey maybe he won't kill Rin'. Shirou would kill Rin if she puts someone more important(Taiga) in danger and that's canon

Take it as you may.

When the stakes are real Shirou forgets about muh ideal.
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All I see is a bunch of faggots who agree with one outcome, disagree with the others, and desperately want to believe that only one outcome is "right" while the others are "wrong" in an attempt to justify and feel superior about their own conclusions.
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>>138691483
>When the stakes are real Shirou forgets about muh ideal.

bye_shinji.jpg
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>>138691103
http://pastebin.com/gf6qhLwU
Like do you even philosophy maaaaaaan
Like do you even philosophy when the majority of the depth is related to philosophy maaaaaaaaaaaan
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>>138691483
"Even if I hurt some to save the many, I would keep pursuing a happiness where no one would be hurt."

Shirou doesn't just take up his ideal because he thinks it's "pretty". He outright says he wants to strive for a future where people can be happy.

Regarding the Taiga situation, you are literally quoting something where the word "kill" isn't even written. It's blanked out. It could be a multitude of things. I just find that funny, since you claim to be posting "examples", while creating your own framework to make them suit your narrative.

Shirou is perfectly willing to kill in UBW, but his ideal is first and foremost. You are literally saying the answer he receives in the Archer fight is inconsequential to a situation presented earlier prior to a turning point in his life.

FSN, granted, is a non-linear narrative, but it's not that non-linear.

>>138691535
I have no qualms with HF's answer, but people do severely misunderstand UBW.
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>>138691642
IDK why the pastebin address got spoilered when I didn't even surround it with the spoiler tags
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>>138691657
I mean, can I ask you, person who disagrees with me, why do you think Shirou won the Archer fight?

Archer kept on harping on about how Shirou was just imitating Kerry, so why did he realize his dream wasn't wrong?

It's because he comes to understand that what was Kerry's dream really became his. It wasn't just a man blindly following the footsteps of his father, it was someone who grew to accept those dream as his own, and pushed forward to make a mark of his own.
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>>138676677
It's not a new Melty, it's just a steam port of the game that has been out for years.
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>>138691657
>"Even if I hurt some to save the many, I would keep pursuing a happiness where no one would be hurt."
>Shirou doesn't just take up his ideal because he thinks it's "pretty". He outright says he wants to strive for a future where people can be happy.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Shirou himself says that he does it because it's beautiful, he doesn't do it for the greater good, he does it for himself, because he's insane.

Read the fucking VN, he says that even if it's not something that comes from himself it's still a beautiful ideal. Even if it's something he borrowed because he wanted to be like Kiritsugu in that moment he still thinks it's worth it.

Shirou does it because it fuels his hero boner and that's it.
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>holy grail war installment #3215648
It's not like Nasu's got a whole fucking universe left to expand on. He should clearly keep focusing on fate.
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>>138691985
>Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Unbelievable. Did you just literally say an exact quote from the story is "wrong"?

"Even if my life is a sham, the wish for others to be happy should be beautiful al the same."

There are comparable scenes to this in the visual novel, but you choose to ignore the nuances in Shirou's character to just repeatedly pound in that he just does it cause he's crazy,

It's not just about being like Kiritsugu. That's literally Archer's argument, and he comes to realize he's wrong.

Jesus. The sheer ignorance.
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>>138692076
You know what? Here. He's the comparable scene from the VN relating to this picture here. >>138691657

You tell me to read the VN. Maybe you should.
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>>138692076
>>138692141
This is all fucking Survivor's Guilt according to Nasu, Complete Material, Fate route, HF route (hinted) and Extra (Archer explains his issues).

UBW is the only route that tries to ignore Shirou's fundamental issue and try to dress it up prettily to give ARCHER some kind of catharsis, so Shirou is fucked up and never actually faces his massive trauma.
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>>138692076
>>138692141
Maybe you should read more than UBW you know, where everything about Shirou's character is explained.

Or just use a bit of sense since we already know that Shirou only does it because he's fucked in the head. Retard.
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>>138691138
>>138692351
HFcancer still embarrassing themselves.
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>>138692294
>UBW is the only route that tries to ignore Shirou's fundamental issue

Except that's completely wrong. There are people screaming in Shirou's face throughout the entire story that his beliefs are wrong, but Shirou holds true that his desire to help others can't be.

"It's not a mistake". It's pounded into you. It's not something that Shirou inherently need sto "get over", because it's something he wants to follow.

Helping others isn't wrong. Rin comes to understand this, Archer comes to relearn this, and Shirou reaffirms it. His trauma is faced. he faces his own future, but he chooses to wield his trauma for good.

>>138692351
Really nice use of ad hom there. Super classy.

You refused to address my points though, and again, just fall back on "he's just crazy."

You ignore that there are deeper nuances to Shirou's character in UBW, just to paint a black and white narrative.

This is why I stand by that UBW is the most complex route. Shit like this.
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>>138692391
>>138692438
>HFcancer still embarrassing themselves.

Maybe you should read more about Fate than UBW, other routes, character materials and so on. Maybe you should read when the author tells you that Shirou does it for himself, maybe you should pay attention to some dialogue and add the knowledge you have of the character so you'll get to know why things are happening.


>UBW is the most complex route
Fuck I really thought I wasn't being baited.

10/10 anon, you got me really good.
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>>138692564
Blah blah blah, more empty words just proving his point.
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>>138692564
I've just presented you multiple instances that show you he doesn't just "do it for himself".

I've explained it to you that the entirety of the Archer fight is framed around the guy realizing that Shirou's choices are more than simply following Kerry, or blindly going by his ideal without thought.

He truly develops it as his own.

You though don't respond to any of that. You push the idea that /I'm/ the ignorant one here. That when I source scenes from the VN directly, you tell me that it's wrong, because it doesn't fit your framework for your argument.

You then just tell me to essentially "educate myself", and provide nothing to the conversation.

I'm just gonna ask, are you done yet?
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>>138690529
Didn't know Luffy or Goku cared about saving people or being a hero.
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>>138672334
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Can't they just make Fate/Saber where all girls are Saber.
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