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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>132159499
>>132159804
>But if you don't know that stuff then how can you "recognize" it accurately?
The flag will always look the same, but can you read fancy fonts like this or handwriting without really knowing how the kanji are written?
I'd say learning to write greatly helps you with stuff like that, the only real downside is that you have to learn it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
You have to go through the worst to get to the best.
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>name field
f-fuck
>You cannot delete this post
I'M SORRY DJT
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>>132160664
迷いと秘密のジルバ
I got it instantly.
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>>132159669
>>132159904
I'm sure, what I read was really really good, I was surprised to see such a high quality story out of what I thought was a plain moege. The only thing is, I'm a waaay slower reader than you (seriously, you started a bit later than me and have read like 4x as much) so while it may have been a week long endevaour for you I'd end up spending a month reading it and being depressed.
>>132160733
No worries, you were bold enough to post the thread when others were not, so no one has the right to complain. I always expect the yuusha dude to just before me so I stopped doing it. Anytime someone complains about tripcodes or whatever just call'm a fag
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かってに、すきでいても、いいですか
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>>132160733
You fucked up hard.
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>>132160664
>but can you read fancy fonts like this or handwriting without really knowing how the kanji are written?
Yeah
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I hate 解 so much。
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>老舗
>しにせ
Fuck no, I'm manually changing this to ろうほ and no one can stop me
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>>132160679
Have I been reading too much porn, or is this bitch calling me an erection?
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>>132161037
>or handwriting
go ahead
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>>132161113
I bet you also learned 商人 and 狩人 by their shitty common readings
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>>132161243
どうぞ
No but really, I read the handwriting on pixiv comments all the time, weird fonts like that anime opening all the time, etc etc. I can recognize a lot of your screenshot but reading it is a pain the ass.

also I'm not fluent or native level yet so it's even if that was typed I probably couldn't read it all.
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セックスを持つ

Is this some weird way to write having sex? I'm not sure what grammar is behind this, help me out please.
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>>132161277
Those are actually a subset of words that I read purely from the kanji and forget the readings
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Why are the dads in prostitution manga always suffering from debts and whatnot?

Because they're とうさん
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>>132161476
Disgraceful. かりゅうど sounds rad as fuck.
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I should have listened to you all when you told me Rosetta Stone was shit.

Also, Im god damned embarassed when I realize why I know certain words because of hentai. Good thing no one will ever know.
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>>132161560
うgh
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>>132161449
ゆうせいせいしょくするいきもののいみじゃないかな
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愛ずる
めずる/めづる
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%82%81%E3%81%A5%E3%82%8B

is this archaism or what? just found this in my listening practices
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>>132161560
Did you know that Neo in the Matrix was Korean?
He is the 朝鮮 one.
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lewd from normally non lewd artists IS THE BEST

最高
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>>132161589
>Also, Im god damned embarassed when I realize why I know certain words because of hentai
There's nothing to be ashamed of, as long as it isn't some gay shit.
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>>132161705
No, lewd from the few artists that understand the best fetishes are the best. Nothing is better than finding a new artist through some new tag.
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>>132161771
>through some new tag
ASSFANGS!
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>>132161660
こてん「虫めづる姫君」のぱろでぃだとおもうよ。おにいちゃん
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>132160733
It's not a big deal, anon. It won't show up in the archive, but if someone wants to find this thread badly enough they can just use the previous thread link to get to it.

>>132160807
>I always expect the yuusha dude to just before me so I stopped doing it
Yeah, I was away for a bit and forgot that the thread was near bump limit.
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>Steve spends half of his Q&A video on his 70th birthday with his son to talk about my question
doushio
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>>132162040
What was the question?
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>>132162040
what was your question?
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>>132162069
>>132162078
What he actually does with the lingqs. Whether he studies the words while in the reading, if he just glances at them and hopes it sticks, etc.

>Oh yeah we do live meetings a lot, like on Google+
>Live means face-to-face, dad
>oh, we do those too
fucking kawaii
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>>132161771
What if it's both at once?
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>>132160807
>so while it may have been a week long endevaour for you
You overestimate my abilities. I'm pretty sure it took me at least 3 or 4 weeks to finish it when I read it.
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>>132161240
ぼっち, as in ひとりぼっち
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I-I now know 1300 unique Kanji.
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>>132163081
I'm still at 900.
feels good to recognize more and more kanji everyday tho
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>>132163081
Do you know their readings?
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>>132162816
Oh, maybe it was just really long. It took me a week to reach the middle of chapter 3 and at that point I thought "holy shit I'm going way too slow"
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>>132163318
Yes, I know even more voca than I know Kanji.
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>>132163504
Good job then, little girl. Keep it up.
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>>132163081
>>132163312
I'm only at 450.

After studying for 9 days (笑)
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>>132163544
>learning correct 99.86%
>young correct 97.95%
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>>132163081
>tfw only at 1135
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>>132163540
Thank you お兄ちゃん。

>>132163606
What is that screenshot from? Wakani (or whatever it's called I forgot)?
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>2674 total unique kanji
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>>132163667
>Wakani
wanikani, and yes
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>>132163544
You're wasting your time, mate.
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>>132163727
頑張るぞいアノンくん
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for all the diss kanji gets it's a good way to judge your progress in japanese
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>>132163727
>using wanikani
>paying for wanikani
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>0 total unique kanji
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>>132163788
If it works for him who cares. I'd say good for him. As a failure myself I understand how sometimes it was hard to motivate myself studying until I found a method that felt "right".
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>>132163774
Meh
If you don't know over 2000 kanji you're still pretty early in. If you know over 2000 and are still actively learning Japanese you're probably still in the vocabulary acquisition phrase known as intermediate. But that's about all you can judge. An advanced student will know just as many kanji as a well read intermediate.
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>>132161632
Plausible.
The sentence was something stupid.
Having sex with a squid.
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So, can anyone explain anki to me? I imported a deck and want to make a sub deck out of it for a quiz I am studying for, but each kanji shows up twice. Once for recall, and once for recognition.

How can I filter it down to only display once?
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>>132163788
>>132163881
It's not perfect by all means but it works quite well
I still got the beta discount at 50$ per year which amounts to 4,2$ a month, I don't mind paying that much to keep them going, mami viet and koichi are pretty chill once you write with them on the forum
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>studied 309 cards in 10 minutes
Alright lads this is my best speed ever in anki. 300 in 10 minutes. I remember when I thought 100 in 10 minutes was impossible. So this is the power of anki.
>>132163881
Hmm, the main thing I would say though is that most methods recommended here end "strongly" - RTK3 ends with 3,000 some kanji under your belt which is hanpanai, Core2k ends really quickly AND gives you enough to start a mined deck (and subsequently a mined deck is never ending), etc etc but WaniKani ends with 2,000 kanji which isn't enough and 6,000 vocab which isn't enough, you need to go from WaniKani straight into anki after finishing, and at that point why not just go anki from the beginning? Not to mention anki is free. If he is reliant on wanikani's stuff to keep him motivated then he's gonna have a really rough time when he starts anki. Whereas if he just started with core + rtk (or whatever) in anki he'd never have to completely switch environments.

Though this is all moot if he's actually doing both wanikani and anki, I don't know.
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I'm about 1300 cards into Core6k now and I'm starting to notice that some of the translations for the cards are pretty bad. Some examples:
>選手
Core: representative athlete
Jisho: player (in game); team member
What the fuck is a "representative athlete"? I mean, I know what the two individual words mean, but I've never seen or heard this term in my life.

>売り切れ
Core: sellout, sold out
Jisho: sold-out
"Sellout" is pretty much never used as anything but an insult. Nobody says "the venue is a sellout", they say "the venue is sold-out".

>写る
Core: be taken, be seen through
Jisho: to be photographed; to be projected

These are just a few I got today, but I've come across others in the past. Where do these bad translations come from?
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god bless the bastard(s) who put up all those resources in the OP link ;_; im super thankful
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>>132164183
>Though this is all moot if he's actually doing both wanikani and anki, I don't know.
I do, core and a mining deck
Most of my study time is listening/reading
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>>132163081
I really stopped giving a fuck. But I did just now get that this is how you write ばんぐみ which means program.
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>>132164263
They come from iknow.jp
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>>132163367
It is kinda long with the individual routes being short and unlocking as the story progresses. My memory of how long it took me is a bit fuzzy though since it was months ago and I remembering taking some time off from the suffering to finish up Aokana since I didn't finish it the previous month. My oldest screenshot I have of Kamimaho is from 1/15 and it is pretty deep into the story, and my torrent is from 12/21.
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>>132164359
>the suffering to finish up Aokana
Was it hard or something?
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>>132164317
>But I did just now get that this is how you write ばんぐみ which means program.
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Someone in the last thread said AGTH works in Windows 10. But I can't seem to find a way to get it to work with Japanese fonts.

I can get VNs to play in Japanese, but not with AGTH. And I can get AGTH to work, but not in Japanese.

What the fuck am I doing wrong?
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>>132164497
Do you have Japanese fonts installed?
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>>132164531

Yep. I have my location set to Japan and I've also tried setting the entire computer to Japanese.
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>>132163981
うんうん、ぷんすか
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>>132164434
Nah he meant taking a break from the suffering of Kami no Ue, to finish up Aokana
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>>132164491
As in TV show.
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>>132164586
Uh, yeah
I don't get the point though
Why would 番組 be written any other way, I simply do not follow
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>>132164327
Why are they taken from there?
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>>132164434
The suffering and depression was from Kamimaho. Aokana wasn't hard but it was kind of long, and I'm a completionist so I had to finish every route. I also thought it was kind of average and it bored me at times which made it take even more time to read. And I disliked the protagonist. I was pretty much in the middle of reading it when Kamimaho came out and I ditched Aokana for it.
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how to say bon appetit in english

and japanese

no itadakimasu allowed
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>>132164491
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>>132164692
食よく
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>>132164692
BOON APPATITTO
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>>132164139
>I still got the beta discount
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>>132164683
They had them
>>132164703
I don't see the point of it at all? Like why even say it? Do you make such a post every time you learn any word? Or what? Why did you attach the image? Why ばんぐみ specifically?
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>>132164692
>Rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub
>メシあがれ
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>>132164812
>They had them
?

You mean they had the translations? That doesn't really answer my question. Jisho has the translations too, which are better on top of being free to access.
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>>132164883
No, jisho has EDICT, iknow had core
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>>132164812
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>>132164497
>What the fuck am I doing wrong?
Installed the wrong windows, update to windows 7
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>>132164692
食うか
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>>132164497
>supporting voluntary espionage
You deserve to suffer.
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>>132164497
You could try asking the FBI to send you the text, they should have extracted it from your PC already.
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>>132165003
>>132165051
>>132165075
>>>/g/
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>start reading VN
>literally 5 minutes in and start falling asleep
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>>132163769
why?
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>>132165170
You forgot to name the VN.
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>>132165116
That's funny coming from someone who's asking tech support for his shitty OS in a /djt/ thread.
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>>132165170
Of course, reading the output of your text hooker with no immersion into the game from which you hooked it would be a boring experience. You need to play the VN.
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>>132165192
Kanji should be learned through vocabulary.
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>>132165257
Enough with your retarded meme. You've caused enough damage already.
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>>132165233
I'm not him. Also, Microsoft added 10 telemetry to 7 and 8/8.1, so if anything you should point him to XP.
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>>132165290
Or openSUSE.
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>>132165250
so much projection
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How many failed attempts have you made prior to your current attempt at learning Japanese, DJT?
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>>132165290
Joke's on you, I haven't updated my Windows 7 for at least 3 years.
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>>132165257
I don't understand.
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>>132165339
Does taking a 6+ months break and then continuing from where I left off mean a failure? Half of those were burning out, the other half being busy with life. If they all count, then at least 5-6 attempts.
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>>132165339
2
Quit midkana once, quit on chapter 4 of genki due to kanji (and not knowing what to do) once.
This third time is a huge success simply because I got into anki and that hand held me all the way to knowing 2400 kanji and knowing enough vocab to comfortably read
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>>132165204
キミのとなりで恋してる

>>132165250
I only need to check like one word every 2-3 sentences and the text hooker is set up like this so it's really bad for trying to actually read sentences
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>>132165286
It's not a meme and it can't damage you. In fact, the kanji will stick far better when learned like that.
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>>132165394
Are you telling me that you do not know the muffin man?
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>>132165428
>I got into anki and that hand held me all the way to knowing 2400 kanji
Which deck did you use?
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>>132165463
So the meme goes.
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Going back to superior Windows 7.

See you guys in about 5 hours.
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>>132165334
Can you play VNs with text hookers in Linux? No? I thought so.
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>>132165522
Okay, mate. Next you're going to start singing rtk's praises.
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>>132165488
no
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>>132165394
>learn a word written in kanji
>learn one reading of said kanji from seeing it in that word
>learn another word with the same kanji
>either already know the reading used in that word or learn a new reading
>the reading is easier to remember due to having context (i.e. being in a word)
>no need to waste time memorising readings that you never encounter
>no need to waste time memorising readings which are useless on their own anyway since you never know which reading a word uses until you've learned the word itself
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>>132165561
Took you long enough.
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>>132165460
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>>132165564
Someone who's smart enough to install linux will most likely be smart enough to be able to read without a text hooker, while understanding most unknown words through intuition. After reading for a few months I could guess the meaning of 95% of the unknown words, and just for looking up the rest is not even worth using a text hooker for.
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The various uses of 「いう」got me hurting.
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>>132165620
oh okay thank you
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>>132165564
Why would you need to use a text hooker? Do you not know how to read japanese?
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>>132165674
You think too highly of Linux users especially of retards that are swayed by the media and install Linux without having no fucking knowledge of computers i.e. /g/
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>>132165620
So what you're saying is to read? Epic
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>>132165620
>learn the most common reading or two
>easy to remember because you include it in a fucking mnemonic that also denotes the radical components of the kanji
>never have to dissect words to try and remember which reading was for which kanji
>only have to memorise the exceptions that don't fall under the most common reading
Learning kanji through vocab is pretty much one of the stupidest things you can do, and quickly lends itself to mixing up similar kanji.
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>>132165620
But Anon, kanji that use more than one onyomi are very very exceptionally rare. 'Which reading a word uses' is in practice not even a problem.
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Word of the day: 液晶画面
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>>132165620
>
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>>132165674
>>132165702
Isn't anon trying to make a text hooker work? Fuck off with your red herrings.
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>>132165813
>Word of the day
>clearly 2 words, possibly 3 if you really think about it
Fuck off.
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>>132165767
But the media would rather you buy a Mac.
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>>132165339
Too many to count. I started 10+ years ago and I'm maybe N3.
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Daily reminder to use mnemonics to remember kanji composition, onyomi and meaning.

You'll remember it better, won't get similar looking kanji confused and be able to guess the meaning (and reading) of most jukugo without even trying.

Learning a dozen kanji and then inferring the meaning of dozens of jukugo is far more efficient and an objectively better way of learning than memorizing dozens of jukugo and inferring the kanji reading/meaning.
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>>132163697
How many of those are white?
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>>132165838
Then tell anon to not bother with the text hooker.
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>>132165886
fuck off, KD shitter
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>/djt/
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>>132165863
And still failing. Everyone has a PC so it's easier to convince people to install a free OS that they've got no idea how to use because experts told me it's better.
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>>132165854
自分のコーナーのルールは自分が決めるから、アノンくんは黙っててくださいね、迷惑だから
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>>132165978
Experts? You mean the residents of the desktop thread?
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>>132165978
But it's better.
Unless you want to play video games. Or use any specialized proprietary software for your work. Or want to edit images, video or audio.
>b-but gimp is just as good as photoshop!

Well, at least it's good for running a server and browsing the net!
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>>132166011
So /g/.
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>>132166095
/g/ is where /v/ goes to discuss consumer technology tho.
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what deck should i use?
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>>132166255
KanjiDamage
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>>132166255
patron warrior
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>using anything but Windows
>wanting to consume any Japanese media
Pick one.
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>>132166255
Lack thereof.
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>>132165886
Yeah, go eat a dick, moron.
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>>132163081
I was able to write 1500 Kanji from memory at some point.

Not sure how much of that is still left now.
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>>132166434
Can you write a sentence?
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>>132166255
Kore.
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>>132166302
The only thing you'd have a problem with is VNs.

Reminder that Linux has the superior media player.
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>>132166799
>The only thing you'd have a problem with is VNs.
And all the countless doujin games made on Windows, for Windows.
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>>132161113
Where you expecting resistance in the first place? They are words, not magic spells, or am I missing something here?
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>>132166561
Of course.
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>>132166895
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>>132166975
I wish you'd at least change the filename when posting that so it doesn't look like it's me every time.
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>>132165499
Core2k up to 1,000 kanji then mined deck up to now
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>>132165896
About 200
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>>132166255
日本語文法辞典例文全集(cloze)
Core 2k/6k/10K Further Optimized PIC/SOUND
All in One Kanji

These are the decks I use for Japanese, with personal modifications. Why you should use them? They have been very helpful for my studies, I guess.
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>>132167048
Tough luck.
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>>132166799
But anon, VLC has a windows port.
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>>132167172
>>132167216
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>>132167380
>just noticed precum on her sock
Also, did you read all of monobeno? That's a super long game, really long, like I said you've got god speed
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>>132166799
The beauty of a Gnu/linux environment is that you can build your own perfect custom media player.
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>>132167172
Mirin'

I'm reaching the 1500 point in Core6k and have been contemplating starting a mining deck.

Did you find that having done Core helped when you started reading? Looking back, do you wish you'd stuck it out longer or are you glad you switched to mining?
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>>132167528
IF you know how to do it and have the skill to do so.
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>>132167518
Nah, I have yet to read Monobeno. I just saved this image from the one time I saw it posted.
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>>132167354
Well, I guess if it's you anon, it's ok.
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社会

社会の窓
Why japanese people?
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>>132165339
I didn't quit, but I stopped being an ankidrone after I finished about 2/3rds of Core6k.

My rate of improvement has subsequently suffered.

Is it because Anki and RTK on the side really was working, after all?

I think I'm going to go back. Just to see.
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>>132167630
Now that I actually look at the vndb for more smile it's from there it seems.
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>>132167691
>>Is it because Anki and RTK on the side really was working, after all?
I don't think anyone can really answer that unless you say what you've been doing instead of Anki.
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>>132166895
それほど醜い手書きなのに、日本人一般はもっと下手だと思う。
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>それにつけても、金のほしさよ
What the hell does this mean?
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>>132167172
Can you write any of those?
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>>132167822
Not that guy, but you writefags are the worst. You always have to jump in and try to show off whenever you see someone who knows more kanji than you. Try to hide your jealousy better.
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>>132168021
You don't know a kanji if you can't even even fucking write it when asked.
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>>132168119
Nobody gives a single shit about writing. When would someone ask me to write in Japanese? Why I am interacting with another human in meatspace? Am I somekind of fucking normalfag?

As long as he can type them, then that is all that matters.
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>>132168021
I don't know why you'd say that. I mean, being half illiterate shouldn't you just humbly accept advice of people who are actually learning the language instead of mindlessly trying to hammer it into their little heads like the stupid monkeys they are? I just don't understand you people.
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>>132168021
Triggered, anon?
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>>132167331
I can't get the pictures and sound working in the second deck.
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>>132168217
Put the files in the .media folder in your profile.
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画竜点睛
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>>132167643
Well, that wasn't what I was expecting. On the plus side, these completely insane terms are pretty memorable.
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>>132167559
>Did you find that having done Core helped when you started reading?
Tons
>do you wish you'd stuck it out longer or are you glad you switched to mining?
I'm really glad, all the kanji in core are stuff I see all the time while reading so mining the stuff I specifically don't know really helps. If it helps, I switched at the 2200 point.

The only big big warning I have is that if you add a kanji you don't know, go to jisho and at least 2-3 "common" words with that kanji, preferably using like *浦 and 浦* to get it into different positions. Otherwise you'll memorize it in that one word then struggle to remember it in other contexts
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>>132168203
>I mean, being half illiterate shouldn't you just humbly accept advice of people who are actually learning the language instead of mindlessly trying to hammer it into their little heads like the stupid monkeys they are?
This doesn't make any sense
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>>132168203
Do you mind saying what you were trying to say in that post, in your native language?
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>>132168119
>You don't know a kanji if you can't even even fucking write it when asked.
Define know.
>>132168429
>if you don't write you're a stupid monkey hammering the language into your head
Why even post if you're going to make yourself look like an ass
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>>132168429
I said that as far as Japanese is concerned you're as good as a monkey in your pathetic attempt to defend your own lazy driven illiteracy.
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>>132168119
>You don't know a kanji if you can't even even fucking write it when asked.
I've never seen such a case of denial. I guess your poor, little mind couldn't cope when it realised it had wasted its time learning a useless skill (writing) which it is never going to use and is now desperate to justify it by inventing the ridiculous idea that you don't know a kanji even if you can read it and recognise it immediately.

Please enlighten us all as to when the fuck any of us would need to write kanji.
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>>132167806
Anyone?
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>>132168429
>>132168472
My mistake, quoted you instead of the post you were quoting
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水掛け論
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>>132167806
...and in addition to that, the desire for gold/money.
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>>132168472
Is there any other definition you can give to 'know'?
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>>132164497
>Someone in the last thread said AGTH works in Windows 10.
I'm that guy, I have no idea what your problem is. I set my computer to Japanese locale, run AGTH and it works flawlessly.

Go back to Windows 10 and post a screenshot of what your AGTH looks like when hooking text.
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>>132161371
>weird fonts like that anime opening all the time
You mean Kaisho? Kaisho is literally how the current shapes of kanji were defined. It's the print version of Clerical.
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>>132168626
Come on anon, if you know what you're saying you should be able to define "know".

You say you need to be able to write a kanji to know a kanji. Therefore, "being able to write" must be in the definition of "know", right? There's a hint, work off that.
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To test out my Japanese I decided to play some old Dragon Quest games since they're not too complex. Not too many problems so far but I di have a question about something I just saw.

In Rupugana there's a girl who offers to give you a puff puff and if you say no she says:

「オカマのどこが わるいのよ! いじわる……。」

I'm confused about the first sentence. オカマ means male homosexual, so is she accusing the player of being gay because he doesn't want a puff-puff? Not 100% sure what どこ is here either. I think she might be saying "It's such a shame you're gay! How unkind..." or something like that.
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>>132168501
>denial
>he says while trying to defend not being able to write a language in a thread dedicated to learning said language
Unless I am mistaken and was mislead by the fact that the OP picture says 'daily japanese thread' and not 'anki stats general'.
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Guys I think this is officer kondo trolling in revenge for the raids on /r/learnjapanese a few months ago
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>>132168674
Hence the use of the word 'other' in the question.
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>>132168618
Thanks.
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>hey anon, you learning Japanese? write something for us
>...

And then you'll say "but I don't have any friends and nobody will ever know so who cares?", dismissing the fact that even this hypothetical situation is enough to show that you how ridiculous your stance on writing is. Stop being in denial and just say it out loud, I don't want to learn because I'm lazy.
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>>132164586
To avoid a repeat of this confusion, try using "programme" for the "schedule" variety.
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>>132168923
>that you how ridiculous
*you know how ridiculous
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>>132168758
I don't even know what point you're trying to make
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>>132168990
You define know.
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>>132168923
Eh, writing is probably my lowest priority when it comes to Japanese.
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>>132168703
>Please enlighten us all as to when the fuck any of us would need to write kanji.
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>>132168923
>hey anon, you learning Japanese? read this article for us!
>... well I don't know all those words yet, but I've been learning to write...

Any hypothetical situation can be twisted to show whatever the fuck you want it to.
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>>132168923
>Actually I am only learning to read and understand japanese and not writing it, since it's such a huge task on its own. I may learn how to write later but for now my goal is to enjoy content in japanese. If you're really curious I can write kana and a few kanji!
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>>132169019
Because you're lazy. Either that are you are so invested in the anti-RTK meme that you actually think you're making a good choice.
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>>132168333
Alright, thanks for the advice.
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>>132169086
But I'm learning to read read and write, so that situation doesn't really teach me anything.
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>look away for a second
>shitposting is off the charts

Shouldn't you guys be learning japanese?
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>>132169125
I wrote when i started but the time investment was just too much for me so I decided to focus on reading and come back to it at a later time when my reading, vocab, and kanji recognition is just completely solid.
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>>132169105
>since it's such a huge task on its own
Do you really believe that?
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ほの字というのって
女に言ったコトがある?
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Writing is the best thing you can do to quickly learn how to distinguish many kanji from the others, I feel bad for the newfags falling for these shitposts
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>>132169013
I'm not the one saying "to know kanji you need to be able to write them". This statement implies that to KNOW kanji, you need to write them. But as far as I understand it, the word "know" doesn't involve writing kanji, so clearly his definition of "know" differs from mine, so I want to know what he thinks "know" means.
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>>132169234
On the flipside your production is virtually nonexistent, and you never did mention what that 'later time' was.
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>>132168923
So the only reason you can come up with to justify learning to write is so that I can show off to my non-existent friends?
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>>132169277
Can you name the radical in 業?
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>>132169280
When I feel my reading abilities are satisfactory. There's really no rush anon.
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>>132169239
Yeah. My (latin) handwriting is already very bad. I tried my hand at Kana back when I was learning it and it didn't look pretty at all. I honestly don't think my kanji would be recognizable.
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>>132169321
What do I have to do with anything? I am merely asking a question.
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>>132169242
当たり前だよ。

妹達が女の子でしょうね?
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>some people in this thread can't even read or write in cursive
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>>132168260
The audio works but the pictures still don't show up.
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>>132169364
Meaning you'd rather wait until you've mastered the entirety of ancient japanese literature before you bother to learn how to ask where the fucking shitter is?
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>>132169408
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>>132169242
ほの字ってなんですか? ホモ?
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>スマホで簡単なコミュニケーションツールがある中
What's going on with the grammar here? I understand what it means but that で seems weird
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>>132169497
That's how you chain na-adjectives. Imagine it like a て form when it means "and".
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>>132169452
手洗いはどこですか?

Not really, more like when I can read any news article on current events very smoothly.
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>>132169377
>look pretty
>I honestly don't think my kanji would be recognizable
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thank you blessed google
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>>132169187
But you spend time on writing that he does not.

If you're saying that learning to write isn't that big of a burden to your other studies, then logically speaking, you also have to admit that he can easily learn to write after he's read millions of sentences and amassed a huge vocabulary.

Before you get argumentative, please know that I strongly encourage writing, because it definitely helps with retention (there are countless backing this claim up, and they're not only related to language-learning either). I am a writefag, and I have notebooks full of autistic scribbles. But I still think it's going too far to say that somehow anon isn't learning Japanese just because he's not using a pencil and paper in his studies.
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>>132169572
Leave me alone. I don't have the time to handwrite right now.
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Child japanese learn their language before they learn how to write. It takes them the entirety of compulsory education to be able to write without issue. However, their language is indivisible from the way it's written.

It's impossible for us to have the natural method of knowing the grammar and many words before we begin to study kanji, because we are not blessed with many innocent years to naturally learn the spoken language.

It's impossible for us to learn writing naturally, because it's simply not something that we did while evolving. There are illiterate normal people. There are no unspoken normal people.

There is no right answer to this problem. The only thing you can know that you mustn't do is conflate the current options as being all that is available.

If enough people try hard enough, for long enough, and don't blindly snuff out other memes, then effective learning methods will always shine through. We can only write because we're taught it, and writing only works because it happens to be good for us, and it only happens to be good for us because we've tried for generations and generations to make it better and better. Learning methods are the same thing. They're DNA of the educated soul.
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>>132169763
fuck off stupid frog poster
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>>132169763
That said, the person who first suggested Core was a good thing can go eat a log from the bottom of the loo.
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>>132169763
>It's impossible for us to have the natural method of knowing the grammar and many words before we begin to study kanji,
Watch 10,000 hours of anime (that's about 5 hours a day for 5 years)
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>>132169909
die die die die die DIE
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>>132169749
>you also have to admit that he can easily learn to write after he's read millions of sentences and amassed a huge vocabulary.
I know the input hypothesis has a strong following in these parts, but you as a writefag don't actually believe this, do you?
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Japanese is great.
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Writefags unite.
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>>132170015
全ての本物の男の夢だな…
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>>132169763
I feel like these kinds of posts are made by really inexperienced people
It only takes like 6-12 months of anki and regular reading to get pretty good at Japanese, and by month 16-24 you'll be blowing through SOL manga and moege (or LNs aimed at 13 year olds such as DxD or Oreimo). At that point there is really no way you can feel despair about the language.

You say the effective language learning methods will always shine through. Well, they already have. Read a lot. Listen a lot. Basically, PRACTICE. That's it, that's all it takes to learn a language. The only reason people fail on like reddit is because they spend too little time practicing the language and too much time not practicing.

The biggest problem in this whole mess the huge number of people who think "speaking from day 1" is effective, and the huge number of glasses who spread that incorrect information.

In short just read a lot and listen a lot and there is literally nothing to worry about. Within the end of your second year you'll be fucking awesome at Japanese.
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>>132170192
>Posts: 1425
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>>132170192
agreed, in canada we take french class for 6+ years and barely learn to form a single fucking paragraph. A lot of people think you can get anywhere with 15-30 mins a day of half assing along
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>>132170192
Nice pic.
>>>/v/
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>>132170353
If you do actually spend that time every day you will get somewhere. I had German for 4 years and I never studied in my spare time, as a result I'm worse at it than I am at Japanese, even though German is close to my native language.
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>>132170268
Registered: 2005
Posted: 2008
This is the hell that existed before anki, 3 years in and not even 2000 kanji

Also I just looked up his post and he also said
>Btw, If you do 6 kanji a day for the whole year, you can finish Heisig.
So what the hell? "people spend their whole lives and never get close to 2000 kanji. by the way you can get over 2,000 kanji in a year"
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>people spend their whole lives and never get close to 2000 kanji
sounds like 90 percent of djt
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>>132170576
I'll change that.
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>>132170015
What does 一条 mean here ?
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>>132170627
Jisho-it
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>>132170627
That's her name.
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>>132170627
Natural desire to rape.
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>>132170687
Maybe another mark of mid-high intermediate is that you can accurately guess what words are actually just names.
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>>132168699

Just gonna draw attention to this once more.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE4JHdS0Smw purple>brown>black>black
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>>132170850
Huh, that's a good question
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>>132170850
"What's wrong with being a オカマ! Meanie..."
I think that "girl" is a オカマ
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>>132170850
Isn't she asking "what's wrong with you homos"?
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>>132170192
>read a lot, risten a lot
>practice
Those are different concepts entirely you know.
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>>132170991
I'm leaning towards >>132170936
I don't see any other way のどこ makes sense
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>>132170719
But I can guess names and still take half a minute on a single bubble of anything that isn't よつばと!
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>>132170936

I thought that might be what it is at one point, but I just didn't understand how guys refusing a girl's puff-puff would result in a response like that. Unless it's a trap and she puff-puffs you with pads if you accept.
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>>132171035
Care to explain how reading isn't practicing? I know there's a big debate over "is reading studying", are you going to make a big debate over "is reading practice"?
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>>132171138
How about explain how it is.
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>>132171125
>Unless it's a trap
That's exactly what I'm going for here.
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>>132171055
I think so too actually.
>>132171125
>trap
>she
And okama are far from being traps.
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>>132171174
Alright, I will define my terms.
"Practice" is something I understand to be as something that improves your abilities in something. You are better after practicing then you were before.
Reading to me is "practice" because in doing so your Japanese improves; you either improve your grammar, kanji, or vocab, even if you read very easy stuff your fundamentals slightly improve. It's better practice to read harder stuff obviously because it improves you more, if you read really really easy stuff then it's really bad practice because you don't get much better.
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>>132171327
And how are you gauging this 'improvement'? As far as I am aware everyone in this thread either thinks you're retarded or absolutely avoids production on the grounds that it is hard and they'll get to it later or it wasn't necessary to do in the first place.
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>>132168640

Here ya go.
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>>132171427
Well, it's a long term thing mainly, over time you recognize more kanji, struggle with less grammar, and know more words. By reading you expose yourself to the language in huge amounts and over time it sticks.

I don't know why you mention production in the middle of that.
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>>132171501
Rule of thumb is that if you can't use a skill, you don't know it. Of course most of the people in this thread are the lazy autist who has immense natural ability but zilch to show for it.
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>>132171559
I can look at paintings and comprehend what they depict without being able to paint them myself.
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>>132171559
are you really trying to fucking say that reading is pointless in language learning

just because you can't guage on a fucking app your progress, doesn't mean you aren't taking something away from it..

fucking retards
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>>132171559
Also, WTF are you talking about? What does speaking have to do with reading? I just realized how out of left field your post is, the question was "how is reading practice", and now you're talking about people being unable to speak? Where did that leap in topic come from?
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>>132171589
No you can't.
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>>132171612
>>132171625
Google Translate?
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>>132171654
>>132171689
I think it's safe to say that this is either a troll or a belligerent idiot, either way no one should feel compelled to keep up this argument. Nothing's going to come from it.
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>>132171493
Switch to Japanese locale.
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>>132171767
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>>132171726
It would appear so. If you explain so an autist can understand that what he said was wrong, he will say nothing and walk away. However he will not forget what you said. The next day, he will find that his opinion has changed, and his posting will differ because of it. This will happen to more people as time goes by, and a new consensus will be formed. This is the way of the anonymous imageboard.
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>>132171806
Did you have a previous installation and upgrade to Windows 10?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavZbQHbuOk

I didnt know Asiatic Clams man was just a motivational speaker.
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>>132171884
a previous Hanahira installation*
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>>132171884

Yep. Worst mistake of all time.

>a previous Hanahira installation*

No, but it was on Windows 7 when I upgraded.
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>>132171952
>No, but it was on Windows 7 when I upgraded.
Downgraded*
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>>132171966
>ダルクス人
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>>132171994

Typo, my bad.
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>>132171994
ボットネットちゃんが可愛いだよ!かわいいいいいい!
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>>132171806
Did you also set date and time to Japanese?
There are quite a few games where it's needed in win7.
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>>132171952
That might be the problem. Uninstall the current Hanahira, restart and reinstall Hanahira from scratch and see if the problem gets solved. I never upgrade and only do clean installs because of shit like this and more often than not, drivers get fucked.
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>>132172089
>>132172097

It's too late. Windows 7 iso file is done. I'm about to take the plunge.

I guess I can try them to see if they work, for posterity's sake at least.
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>>132171806
Yeah, that's the wrong setting, tha'ts just a bullshit setting for "apps" and shit

you want to change your os "Locale". see pic related.
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Just a general tip for early beginners but resources that say "たち is a pluralizer" are explaining it wrong. It means something more like "and company". If a character is talking to another one that's with its friends and says 「一条たちは面白い」, it means that Ichijou and his friends are interesting not that multiple people named Ichijou are interesting.
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>>132172286

Well fuck me in my puckered asshole with a goat's dick.

That's it.
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>>132172535
I remember trying to say like 椅子たち to say "chairs"
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>>132172071
Huge fucking downgrade.
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>>132172535
It also uses the kanji 達 which anywhere else means 'achieve'.
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>>132172603
Should have clearly used 椅子等
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>>132172589
Glad i was in time to help before you went through all the trouble of installing a new os for no reason.
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>>132172792
Concerned friendly anon-kun is 超かわいい。
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>>132172792
>no reason.
He still has plenty of reason to get rid of that cancer of win10.
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I just had a pretty cool moment, I was trying to remember the word for like stroking/rubbing someone lovingly but I couldn't think of it, but I knew it was 撫でる in Japanese so I put that into Rikai and saw "caress" in the results, which is the word I was trying to remember.

In short, for the first time in my life, I knew a word in my second language that I couldn't recall in my first language. Pretty neat stuff. Maybe this is a symbolic step.
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>>132172963
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>>132172792
>>132172953

Yep, I'm still going back. Windows 10 is horrible and I'm sorry I ever downgraded to it.
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>>132173042
Good job, anything part of that jap failure of a navy shouldn't have a smile on their face.
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>>132172963
How are you going to learn a second language if you can't even handle your native one?
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>>132173098
Still mad, Russia?
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無撫
里理
憂優
L I T E R A L L Y I N D I S T I N G U I S H A B L E
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>>132173121
Fuck Russia and their shit navy that's barely able to kill some defenceless fishermen.
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>tfw handwriting random sentences as usual
>can easily remember mildly complicated kanji like 優、無理、鍵、撃
>start writing an autistic sentence about bears
>can remember that the "parts" are 月、2ヒs and ⺣
>can't remember what goes in the upper left corner
>have to look it up
If there's something worse than completely forgetting a whole kanji is forgetting one of the "building-blocks", I mean I can instantly recognize 熊 even more difficult ones when reading, but when writing sometimes it becomes a pain remembering the exact place of each part, especially if it's a kanji you don't see/use that much

Being a handwriting-fag sure is suffering.
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>>132173113
Forgetting words is normal m8 even in your native language
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What would your parents say if they found out you were learning Japanese to fap to 2D girls?
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>>132172953
But W10 is better than W7 and there's no way to remove the telemetry in W7 now.
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>>132173449
me with the purple bow and peace sign
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>>132173484
>implying I have updated windows in the past few years
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>>132172953
I meant in the context of "getting kusoge to work".

of course if escaping botnets is your thing you should just install gentoo
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>>132173449
me under the bed waiting for them to fall asleep
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>>132173592
If you're reinstalling you'll get the updates without your consent either way. Oh well, not my business what people do with their PCs.
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>>132173449
メガネの子はアタシです。
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>>132173613
And still get spied on while using a browser :^)
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>>132173683
W-what game? Looks like a nukige I remember seeing on vndb
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>>132173224
It's a fire radical plus 能. There's got to be a talented pyrotechnician who happens to also be very hairy like a bear. Think of that guy.
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>>132173714
https://vndb.org/v15393
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>>132173400
Normal for retards, maybe.
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>>132173836
Nice meme
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>>132173836
:^)
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>>132173703
>not using lynx
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>>132173869
>>132173875
Look at you trying to act all smug when you're even shit at your native language.
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>>132173959
>Look at you trying to act all smug
Irony
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>>132173869
>>132173875
>emigrate from my home country 5 years ago
>learn my new home's language (different than my native one)
>learn english (not my native one either)
>get to intermediate hell in jap
>hadn't had much contact with my native language on these 5 years
And only now I'm starting to forget a few words, so yeah like >>132173836
said, unless you're a retard you'll hardly ever forget words in your native language
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>>132174156
That's like bragging about never forgetting Core2k words
If you hardly interact with your native language I imagine you didn't read enough books to get an actually high vocab level in it
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>>132173449
I'm not. My fetish is futa on male. Unfortunately it looks there are only a handful of VNs that have it.
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>>132174595
Dirty faggot.
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>>132174595
You're that homo makifag aren't you.
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>>132174595
>My fetish is futa on male
いつ自殺するつもりですか?
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>>132174664
No. I haven't even watched Love Live yet.
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>>132174825
>I haven't even watched Love Live yet.
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>>132174855
Love Live wasn't even that good
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>>132174928
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>>132174855
私もラブライフをまだ見たことがない、その精液の鬼は誰ですか?最悪な少女?それとも、最高の少女?
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>>132174980
西木野真姫
最高の女だぞ
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Any mnemonics for the question words?
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>>132172535
funny, i just learnt this earlier watching anime
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>>132174700
>気持ち
>hold the 気
What the fuck is a 気?
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>>132175158
Why would you need them? Read more.
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>>132175303
>RTK fags
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>>132175364
Because I don't know how to read yet.
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>>132175303
are you serious?
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>>132175303
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>>132175413
Depends on whether or not you've been treating 気分, 元気, and 気になる as completely different words.
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>>132175480
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>>132175303
十/十 餌、君は最大のホモこのスレに
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>>132175409
The only way to know how to read is by reading.
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>>132175480
come on anon
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>>132175509
>君は最大のホモこのスレに
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>>132174825
Neither has he.
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>>132175509
>
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>稀有
>けう
This just sounds weird... I know it's not but... I dunno. I don't think I've seen けう in any other word... in fact I just searched anki for けう and got no results, so けう isn't in any words I've ever mined... weird.
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>>132175711
That's because it's ___rare____
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>>132175558
read more
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>>132175755
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http://jisho.org/search/*けう*
It seems like there's only 17 words in Japanese that that sequence of sounds at all. Pretty interesting, especially since most of those seem archaic and unused. I wonder what a Japanese person thinks of "けう", do they think it's a bit unusual?
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>>132175920
I have literally never heard けう from my 10k hours of anime
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>>132166799
you do know WINE is a thing right?
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>>132175920
What do you think of when you see アイ・ライク・ブラック・ディックス?
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>>132176112
Pretty sure you must have heard 珍しい in it's place then.
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>>132175920
There are only two words in English that contain "ngth": Length and Strength.
I wonder if English people find these letters a bit unusual?
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>>132176112
I've heard of it, and I remember. This is my anime word list from years ago before I started to learn Japanese.
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>>132176168
>being this new
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>>132176131
you do know that WINE doesn't always work right?
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>>132176168
Lmao these english comparisons are always so witty and hilarious.
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>>132176218
>ローマ字
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>>132176218
I'd understand if it was things like oniichan daisuki, but who the fuck writes down 四字熟語 like 容姿端麗 before even starting to learn the kana?
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>>132176168
Uh yeah actually, there's a big meme about gth in general being weird
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>>132176364
>>132176326
N-No bully, I didn't even learn Kana back then. I was just for some reason focusing on my listening back then when watching anime when I didn't really have any intention of actually learning it. I guess I was thinking "someday" I will learn it. This text document is from before 2010, when I actually started learning Japanese all this vocab and the listening practice I got over the years really helped speed up the process a lot.
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Can someone either teach me, or point me to a resource on how to conjugate numbers?

Just started learning.
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>>132176503
>how to conjugate numbers
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>>132176503
You mean like counter words? There's a chart in like every grammar book ever written.
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>>132176542
Yeah well, I'm the dipshit using Rosetta Stone because work provides it for free. So that isn't an option currently.

Yes this is suffering, but I'm able to do it for an hour a day 5 days a week and watch anime on the weekends, which is more than I was doing as a NEET.
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>>132176593
>I'm the dipshit using Rosetta Stone
You can't learn Japanese
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>>132176503
Number-unit-number
For example, 32 = さん-じゅう-に
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>>132176593
やれやれだぜ。

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/numbers
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>>132176691
I thought he was talking about linguistic conjugation
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>>132176691
I mean like, the difference between ikko and ippon. Which Rosetta Stone is literally just garbage at.
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>>132176772
>romaji
>calling counters "conjugations"
m8 you don't wanna keep using rosetta stone
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>>132176609
>traveling somewhere by plane
>a guy sitting a few seats ahead is using Rosetta in his laptop
>for 3 straight hours he sits there
>nothing but basic vocabulary "onna no hito" and the like
>no grammar in sight
>all ローマ字 not even a single kana
>people pay God knows how much for that shit
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>>132175711
Asked a native
>稀有なんて全然使わないよ
Basically replaced by all the other words for "rare" except when you want to be special
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>>132176847
Unfortunately the VN I'm reading wants to be special and I want to read VNs
Intermediate hell.
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>>132176820
>dissing romanji when I"m just trying to learn spoken japanese to watch my chinese cartoons without subtitles

I've been at this for less than a month, but some slack.
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>>132176931
>I'm just trying to learn spoken japanese
Anon please stop
I don't know how to react to this.
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>>132176261
Of course it works a whole lot better when you know how to use it.
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The fuck is 神ゲー?
Jisho gives me nothing
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>>132176931
You can learn spoken Japanese by just watching subbed anime
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>>132177098
神ゲーム

moon for GOTYAY
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>>132177098
I'm running out of reaction images. How do you not know the word "kamige"? What the hell is going on here tonight?
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>>132177099
just like you can learn kanji through vocab でしょう
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>>132177157
I learnt like a 100 kanji by chatting with natives without even trying
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>>132177045
I learned Japanese by watching anime.
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>>132177071
>I got it to work with one VN
>this means it works flawlessly with all VNs
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>>132177130
In case you hadn't realized, there are some people here that want to learn moon while they unironically give 0 fucks about any aspect of jap culture, as ironic as the might sound.
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>>132177199
At least you're honest.
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>>132177195
Oh yeah no doubt, but I mean, the combination of rosetta stone, the post about number conjugations, etc etc all culminate in a "this is a textbook meme character"
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>>132177238
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>>132177193
I learned how to write 魑魅魍魎 just by hearing about Rosetta Stone from a friend.
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