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I've been pondering: how did a writer who admittedly can't

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I've been pondering: how did a writer who admittedly can't even pull off a relationship between a teenager and a legendary figure even get as popular as he did?
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Exactly what I was wondering too.

Nasu is great with worldbuilding and shit, but when he actually tries to write a narrative, he fails hard.
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I'd imagine Taiga has had something to do with it. Taiga is what got me through the fate route.
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Nasu is extremely good at spurring people's imaginations. He creates a world with a vast amount of intricacies and uses premises that get the reader involved with it. You see plenty of threads where people come up with servants and stats and everything.

He's also a smart businessman. He's outsourced his world to other people, thus creating a huge franchise that gets his name and his brand out there. Just this year there have been like, five new light novels, and only one actually written by Nasu.

Topple on the fact that Nasu himself isn't a terrible writer. People do enjoy his works. Some more than others obviously. I mean people rag on Fate, but plenty will defend UBW and HF.
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>>124098897
Also waifus. He makes a lot of waifus.
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>>124098913
Nero a cute!
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>>124098590
Any examples of him "failing hard"?
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>>124098897
You mean he is very good at providing pointless details for people that want to analyze an anime in JRPG terminology.
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>>124098989
Are you requesting hilarious nasu images like this one?
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>>124098897
this

Nasu a hack?
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>>124099043
poor shirou, his life is meaningless.
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>>124098897
>Topple on the fact that Nasu himself isn't a terrible writer
Back in FSN and Tsukihime he was pretty terrible
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>>124099406
I have no problems with Nasu's writing.
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>>124098558
Powerlevels and hot women. Why do you think Naruto/One Piece/Fairy Tail are so popular even with the older crowd?
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>>124099406
To you. He clearly managed to do something write if those same stories are getting adapted 10 years later.
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>>124099442
You never read Nasu's writing, just a translation by some amateur
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>>124099451
Stop trying to use an argumentum ad populum, it's just too easy to break
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>>124099033
They are not pointless when some come back as relevant plot points.

They become foreshadowing, as well as red herrings disguised as foreshadowing.
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>>124098963
Nero a best
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>>124099455
How is that statement supposed to be interpreted? If you can enjoy it despite its amateur translation that probably says something.
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>>124099484
Just mean that you have low standards
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>>124099479
Well you're not making any argument. You're just saying it's bad.
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>>124099499
At least that's my own opinion.
Using a popular = good shit is fucking pathetic though
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>>124099496
What bar are we setting here? Do I think Nasu's writing is high literature? No, but I enjoy it more than a fair bit of other /a/ material.
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>>124099446
>popular even with the older crowd?
But, those are manchild and underage bait.
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>>124099496
I enjoy all forms of literature. But I can't deal with tedious story telling.
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>>124099525
like every anime on every season since 20 years ago?
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>>124099519
>high literature
Stop trying to be a wannabe /lit/ faggot, you probably can't even differentiate "low" and "high" literature other than "oh I learned this writer name in school, that mean he wrote high literature"
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>>124099525
What do you think the TM fanbase is made of? Aside from the bara fujoshi that powered FZ, most of what we have in TM threads are powerlevelfags, waifufags, and haremfags. Especially the fanfics. If you've even tried reading them, they're clearly trying to insert themselves into the story because of their waifus.
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>>124099514
You started off acting like your opinion is fact. Before he had a name, before he had a business, he still managed to hook people in with his writing. That's gotta account for something.
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>>124099542
don't start that arguments
secondaries are flowing.

>inb4: muh secret club
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>>124099542
Any retard can claim that high literature is high literature but that doesn't really mean anything does it anon?
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>>124099558
pic related?
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>>124099542
Dude what the fuck are you even going on about? You come in here acting haughty saying enjoying Nasu's stuff means you have low standards, but asking based on what means you're acting pretentious?
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>>124099559
Do every posts have to be followed by a "in my opinion".
Of course in a fucking anonymous image board everything is made of opinions, how the fuck do you factually prove shits like this?

And "in my opinion" Nasu "hooking" people was more of a question of good timing, same thing with a lot of extremely popular things in this world
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>>124099597
I'm just saying that some people like you always use the "high literature" stuff as a way to escape from an argument.

But high literature doesn't mean shit, a fiction is a fiction and a writer is a writer
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>>124099642
>implying fiction is any less better than non-fiction
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>>124099609
So you basically just chimed in to say he's shit with nothing else to really add? Alright.

Tsukihime though was one of the most popular doujin games around when it was released. Boiling it down to timing is being rather dismissive.
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>>124099586
This is too accurate to just be satire.
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>>124099642
>I'm just saying that some people like you always use the "high literature" stuff as a way to escape from an argument.
shitstorm is comming

that's why i don't visit these kind of threads anymore, fuck off.

>inb4:hurr read the vn durr
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>>124099682
Not saying anything like this, just putting them in different categories since some faggots love to complain about that
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>>124099690
>Tsukihime though was one of the most popular doujin games around when it was released. Boiling it down to timing is being rather dismissive

Well if you look at some example you can see that timing is everything
Do you think shit like gangnam style ended up popular world-wise because it's good music for example?
Good timing is everything
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>>124099703
>using a derogatory term for American biker gangs

Oh that's right. We're on the internet.
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>>124099514
Popularity is the only objective way to 'measure' the 'value' of art.
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>>124099743
Nasu quite honestly managed to spawn a multimedia empire. Timing may be a factor, but I would probably lean more towards there being a level of smarts involved over anything.
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>>124099778
That's a pretty sad world you live in
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>>124099800
>That's a pretty sad world we live in
fix'd
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>>124099778
... Yeah lets go with that. Justin Beibers "art" has billions of views on youtube.
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>>124099642
>I'm just saying that some people like you

Getting personal? Rude.

>use the "high literature" stuff as a way to escape from an argument

I just don't see what argument you're making. You say liking this stuff means you have low standards, but that alone means you're setting a standard somewhere, so the obvious next question is "what"?
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>>124099820
come on
are you even trying?
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Highlander ripoff with waifus.
Success was guaranteed.

Saber = Macleod
Archer = Sean Connery
Gilgamesh = Kurgan
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>>124099778
The Nazis were really, really popular awhile ago.
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>>124099909
If you must ask.
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>>124099558
>they're clearly trying to insert themselves into the story
So what? Literally every fanfiction ever is self-insert. And why the fuck would you read a fanfic?
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>>124099973
If you read Kagetsu Tohya or Hollow Ataraxia, you've essentially read fanfiction.
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>>124099991
>f/ha was fanfiction
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>>124100009
It was fanfiction on multiple levels. On one, in story it was Avenger's fanfiction, but in reality, the vast majority of it was written by people other than Nasu.

Remember, it's a "fandisc". That alone should tell you something.
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These wicked digits say eggplants make good writers
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>>124099793
>multimedia empire

It's a multimedia barony at best.

It's followed by people who mostly don't do a whole lot of reading, or don't do a whole lot of watching other things. And nerds.
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>>124100028
>has the TM logo on it
>fanfiction
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>>124099778
>I'm literally the biggest pleb in this entire thread, and this thread is full of plebs who know nothing about art.
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>>124098558
Nasu writes excellent relationships and characters head and shoulders above most writers involved in the japanese anime industry but since his an actual author as opposed to a comic book artist or screen writer his underappreciated on /a/ and only liked on /tg/ and places where his counted among urban fantasy writers such as Butcher and Pratchet where he belongs.
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>>124100028
There is a difference when it's been produced and distributed by TM
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>>124100092
>pratchet
>urban fantasy

This is the biggest mistake you made. Nasu has managed to write a grand total of 1 good character relationship that also happened to be thematic and that was the archer-shirou one.
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>>124100051
>VNs
>LNs
>Anime
>Manga
>Games

Not to mention countless figures and other shit people can buy. Nasu is genuinely a big name in the industry. You can't underestimate him.
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>>124098590
>Nasu is great with worldbuilding
Good joke.
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>>124100123
>the watch novels
>not urban fantasy

yeah okai
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>>124100128
But the industry is tiny and amongst the actual big franchises in the industry Type moon as a whole is nothing.

Bandai own multiple franchises that make more than their entire company.
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>>124100096
The way all of TM's fan games have worked is so Nasu can easily take out bits that he doesn't want to use or particularly enjoy. Kagetsu and HA were both dreams, with large chunks quite literally written by fans. They do have the logo on them, but they're framed in a way that just about any section can be disregarded without any problem.
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>>124100162
You're right, they aren't.

You don't even know what urban fantasy is.
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>>124100130
shit talk Nasu all you want, that part isn't wrong
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>>124100197
It's fantasy set in an urban enviornment anything else is you wanking it to vampires,
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>>124100163
Both Zero and UBW topped the charts when it came to BD sales, and how many fucking Saber figures exist out there? You're also acting like TM itself is a huge company like Bandai. They're relatively small. The entire thing is powered by Nasu and his name, and he carries weight. Look at that Red Dragon shit. An entire multimedia project spawned because of a few D&D sessions with his buddies.
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>>124100197
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy

enjoy
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>>124098666
>666
>Taiga
You have summoned the ultimate evil.
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>>124100230
No, urban fantasy is set in the real world you bell end. It's just fantasy if it takes place in a fictional world, even if it's set in a city. It might be fantasy noir, or whatever.

>>124100234
You said it was big, not me, it's not, it's tiny and shit.
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>>124100275
TM has created a big franchise, but TM itself is a small company. It's a company powered almost entirely by one man and his creation. Bandai is a massive international corporation.
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>>124100248
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy

>opposite high fantasy, which is set in an entirely fictitious world.

>proving me right.

also

>is a subgenre of contemporary fantasy which is fantasy set in the present day.
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>>124100275
>>124100248
enjoy your personal definiton of the word I'm going with the rest of the universe on this one
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>>124100300
That doesn't stop him and it being shit.

The fate franchise is a fantastic telling for how nerds don't give a shit about quality, they just care about "cool ideas"
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP ENJOYING THINGS! I only enjoy refined things such as the works of Dostoevsky which are made for people of patrician tastes such as myself.
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>>124100304
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy
>Urban fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy defined by place; the fantastic narrative has an urban setting. Urban fantasy exists on one side of a spectrum, opposite high fantasy, which is set in an entirely fictitious world. Many urban fantasies are set in contemporary times and contain supernatural elements. However, the stories can take place in historical, modern, or futuristic periods, and the settings may include fictional elements. The prerequisite is that they must be primarily set in a city.

It's like you went half blind from being proven wrong.
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>>124100300
>a company powered almost entirely by one man and his creation
That's not true.
People undervalue all the staff he put together in each games too much, even FSN had several sub-writers

>>124100092
That's really not true and show that your knowledge of the japanese subculture is shallow to say the least
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>>124100340
>Dostoevsky
Squatter detected.
captcha:secse
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>>124100340
>dosttoevsky
>not basically "I'm cool and patrician" for plebs
>aside from notes from underground which is actually pretty fucking cool
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>>124100360
>even FSN had several sub-writers

I would like a source on this.
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>>124100330
except it's actually higher quality than most of what /a/ likes as it's got actual character development and plot

really you set your standards in the stratosphere and forget that most of the world subsists on attack on titan and dancing with the stars
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>>124100358
>the stories can take place in history, modern or future, mostly in a city
>specifically says when it's a fictional world it's a different kind of fantasy
>nights watch is set on the disk which floats around space on the back of 5 elephants which ride on the back of the great a'tuin
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>>124100398
But some of that shit is actually really high quality shit.

The average person might love the marvel movies, but the fact it's geared towards a mass audience doesn't stop Iron Man and Captain America: the first avenger from being good, smart, action movies.
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>>124100406
>>Urban fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy defined by place
> The prerequisite is that they must be primarily set in a city.

are we doing this all day?
go run a search for urban fantasy on google and you're going to get Pratchet in the results

your wrong because you can't distinguish between a definiton and a common trait, deal with it
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>>124100456
>Iron Man and Captain America: the first avenger from being good, smart, action movies.
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>>124100340
Because it's impossible to enjoy reading Dostoevsky.
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>>124100381
I mean I know that HA had multiple writers, and plenty of TM's spin offs were written by different people, but I've never heard of Nasu's primary VNs as having multiple people on them.
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>>124100477
Yeah you know why? becuase a tiny section of people on goodreads will mistag it, like they do lots of things.

If I go around calling lord of the rings historical fantasy that doesn't make it true, even if Tolkien repeatedly claimed it took place in England.
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The definition of urban fantasy starts to get really vague if you don't limit it to nominally real-world. If you'll allow me to get a bit /tg/ with my examples, is Shadowrun urban fantasy? What about Planescape? What about a superhero setting?
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>>124100360
>That's really not true and show that your knowledge of the japanese subculture is shallow to say the least

I've said precious little about it. Just that upon casual observation most characters are written poorly and that is obviously true. Go down the list of popular anime sales and find me something you'd be comfortable calling a character study. How far did you have to go?
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>>124100536
Most of HA was definitely written by other writers and FSN had some helpers, though not at the level of being sub-writers.
Fire Girl and Fate/Zero weren't written by Nasu too

But it's not like TM publishes a lot of stuff
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>>124100477
You know what I'm just gonnna directly copy/paste the source for that section.

"

Urban fantasy is often defined as having supernatural/paranormal elements layered over our recognizable modern or near-future world. The setting is a large city such as Los Angeles, New Orleans, or St. Louis. Often the main character is female and the story is told in first person point of view. The story can have elements pulled from other genres such as science fiction, mystery, horror, and romance and woven together in a cohesive manner with varying degrees of emphasis placed on each of these genre elements. Primarily, the plot will consist of a mystery to be solved or a problem to be corrected before some great calamity strikes. Romance, if present, is usually a secondary plot. Character and story arcs often carry for multiple books. These are “The Rules” of urban fantasy.

We could spend hours if not days debating the finer points of what is or isn’t urban fantasy. That is time we could spend doing more productive things, like writing the next book in a series or even the first book in a new series. For me, the definition hinges on the romance and if it’s the main focus of the story or not because it’s the easiest way to separate urban fantasy from its cousin, paranormal romance."

>We could spend hours if not days debating the finer points of what is or isn’t urban fantasy. That is time we could spend doing more productive things
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This is art Takeuchi did just this year for Newtype magazine, and it looks even worse than the F/SN visual novel. He has somehow gone backwards after having 10 years to improve his craft. All he's learned is how to dress things up with awful looking cg effects.

Fuck, Shiro's eyes are almost level with the base of his nose in this pic. Takeuchi is incapable of drawing anyone whose face doesn't look like it's trying to slide off and escape from the horrible design it's attached to.

With no talent and no ability to design appealing characters, it's no wonder Takeuchi has never found work outside of projects with Nasu (Canaan). No one who doesn't have a longstanding personal relationship with this artist would ask them to work on anything.
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>>124100560
No, just becuase you're assblasted you can't redefine words to mean the things you thought they did doesn't make everybody else on the planet have to go along with your autism.

Urban fantasy is fantasy that's urban. The trick is in the name.
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>>124100586
Of all time? I have to go like 3 down. Because overall the Japanese aren't fucking stupid. Anime Otaku are.
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>>124100608
I have never heard of anyone other than Nasu on FSN. It's casual knowledge with the fandiscs, but I've never heard anything regarding the mainstay VNs.
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>>124100585
Yes, yes and yes? Those are all urban fantasy, you can browse them under the urban fantasy section of a library. They've never been anything else.
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>>124100586
I wouldn't be comfortable calling FSN a character study either, it tries to be but is far too shallow and unsophisticated for that.
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>>124100628
>the trick is in the game

Guys modern literature is just stuff that's coming out today, it doesn't mean something specific and most modern stuff isn't from like the 19th century and early 20th century!
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>>124100624
I think you're giving Takeuchi a little too much credit. He was pretty shit even in his FSN days.

Like, I love this scene, but the dude's art doesn't do it any fucking justice.
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>>124098590
He isn't though.
For good world building you need consistency and that's something Nasu doesn't have.
The Nasuverse is interesting but it's not an example of good worldbuilding
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>everybody says that Nasu is shit
>been browsing this site and fate threads for years, and never once seen any sort of definitive plot holes or examples of bad writing pointed out, just silly (translated) prose

It just seems like you either don't pay attention, or refuse to accept the explainations given because you don't like them.
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>>124100736
Good writers often have plot holes, being good isn't necessarily the same as being consistent. Some of the best films out there have gaping plot holes for instance.
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>>124100728
It's actually fairly consistent in practice. It's just a running theme that the people who know how the world works actually don't have a very accurate idea of how it works at all.
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>>124100736
I read it in Japanese.
His style is annoying because has no control over the text, he just keep reusing the same vocabulary with the same syntax ad nauseam while the narration repeats itself several times and the characters run in circle.

Basically it's pretty evident that back then he was still an amateur who never learned how to actually write
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>>124100758

>good writers often have plot holes

Nope, plot holes are by definition bad writing. There are things that can make up for writing, but that doesn't mean that the writing itself if good. I'd love to see some examples of what you're talking about, though.
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>>124098558
Because he wrote a good visual novel that a lot of people like and and even more content for the universe it's a part of.
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>>124100736
>>124100785
Is it this shit in Japanese?
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>>124100728
Nasu's world is quite consistent, it's just that he really loves to focus on the outliers and anomalies over the run-of-the-mill.
That's not inconsistent, so much as it is putting a magnifying glass next to slight irregularities.
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People who read visual novels don't care about writing.
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>>124100788
Well the most famous would probably be Citizen Kane, or the eagles in lord of the rings (inb4 justifications, despite the fact tolkien's response was just "that wouldn't have been a very good story now would it")
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>>124100852

No. He says it in various ways. From "shouganaina" to "shigataganaidawa" or any other various japanese inflections that can't be translated readily.
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>>124100852
"I can't help it" is a common enough phrase in English.
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I figured something like that was going on.

>>124100897
>"shouganaina" to "shigataganaidawa"

Out of curiosity, what are the differences between these two phrases?
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>>124100897
Though funnily I find that most characters, aside from maybe shirou are almost divorced from all the actual cultural implications of an idea that is incredibly pervasive.
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>>124100785

>has no control over the text

This is meaningless.

>repeats himself ad nauseum

That's subjective, really, unless you're talking about things like "this chair", which crop up maybe once or twice per route, and again, are subjective as to whether or not it works for you.

>>124100852

Every japanese writer does this. It's just a feature of the language, there are few different ways to say things that don't change the level of formality.

>>124100886

I haven't seen Citizen Kane, but i'm pretty sure that it's lauded more for it's cinematography than anything. Also, Tolkien's writing wasn't good at all. He had stellar worldbuilding and prose, but I'm talking in the context of plot.
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>>124100788
Writing constitutes so much more than just plot, if you want to try being objective then you have to value all those elements equally.
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>>124100897
しょうがないわ~
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>>124100935
Plot isn't that important though, it's the bit you can fuck up the most and still have something good come out of it. At least in my opinion.
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>>124100938

"Writing" is separate to prose and setting, and even if it traditionally wasn't, I just specified that that's what I meant by it. Mashing them all together under one blanket term has nothing do do with objectivity, or this conversation for that matter.

>>124100965

No offense, but that's pretty much the number one mark of bad taste.
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>>124098558
>how did a writer who admittedly can't even pull off a relationship between a teenager and a legendary figure

Nasu has his insecurities but the vast majority of people who picked the game up originally disagreed and loved the relationship between Shirou and Saber. Thats why in the popular "fandom works", they are the go to couple related to F/SN, see All Around Type Moon and Take Moon/Carnival Phantasm

He made great characters in a highly interesting and whimsical setting. The plots of the three routes might get absolutely silly but his characters and setting made up for them.
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>>124100984
>No offense, but that's pretty much the number one mark of bad taste.

I don't think so.

Good characters can carry a shit plot, a good plot can't carry shit characters.
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>>124100897
>he says it in different ways because language

>>124100935
>he says it the same because language
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>>124099043
>F/HA
>light hearted silly spinoff
>also machine translated

Yeh, nah. Please come back with a better example.
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>>124100931

It's a matter of mood or inflection. "Shikatanai" for example is more of a surrendering, "well fuck it" tone usually said with a shrug. "Shikata ga nai" is a more resolute "I'm just not going to think about it for now" feel. "Shouganai" is a bit more of a cheery, "I'm not gonna care too much" idea, sort of?
The idea of "I'm going to stop resisting for the moment" can have various contextual implications. "It can't be helped" is surprisingly versatile.
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>>124100935
Can you fucking stop writing about japanese writing when you obviously has no idea about japanese is actually like?
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>>124100933
What idea is that?
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>>124100991

Characters are an element of writing. "Writing" is plot and characters, setting and prose are separate. It's essentially impossible to have a work that is badly written but has good characters, unless everything happens because of deus ex machinae or something.

>>124100994

We're obviously two different people, I don't know what you're trying to prove.
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>>124100988
Japan really wants to fuck Saber, like Jesus Christ they want to do horrible, horrible things to that king.

The fact that the pairing is popular I think is more due to channeling that. Kind of like how Rin/Archer is popular because the fujos want Archer's sword.
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>>124101045
>We're obviously two different people, I don't know what you're trying to prove.
I understand it's two people. I'm just pointing out that we have people explaining this (terrible) aspect of Nasu's writing in exactly opposite ways.
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>>124101052
Or its popular because she is their favourite girl and they like the chemistry she has with Shirou.

I mean, accross the three routes Saber and Shirou have the best chemistry. Even if it isnt romantic, Saber and Shirou display strong bonds of friendship/cameraderie and its very noticable in UBW and HF.

Again, Nasu can say what he wants about how he views his own writing, but the fanbase has long since disagreed with him about it.
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>>124101045
>"Writing" is plot and characters, setting and prose are separate
According to definition, writing is all of the above
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>>124101109
>accross the three routes Saber and Shirou have the best chemistry

That's very debatable. I mean I can say the exact same things you said about Saber about Rin.

And frankly, trusting fanbases isn't always the best thing.
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>All characters in this smouldering pile of profit motivated japanese literary feces are over the age of 18.
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>>124101144
Rin and Shirou are consistently great friends and partners accross the routes but moments like Saber telling Rin that she is still loyal to Shirou over her despite her being her new master or Shirou telling Rider in HF not to pronounce his name the way Saber did because he is still torn up about her apparent death are things that spring to mind to prove my point.

There are quite a few other moments I could bring up in support aswell
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>>124101154
Ilya is actually the only character who makes sense to be over 18.
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>>124101154
>all this melodramatic shitposting
You came on too strong, anon

>surprised girls in eroge are over 18
Also, welcome to the world of eroge you insufferable newfaggot.
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>>124101184
Besides servants.
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>>124101031

All I mean to say is that Japanese have very few synonyms, and typically modify things not with diction but with various aspects of grammar.

>>124101127

Anybody who is a serious, well-respected author would know the difference. Besides that, I've defined it the way I have, and you're just chasing after semantics now. Plot holes are lazy, bad writing, and that is independent of setting or prose. That's all there is to it.
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>>124101041
The "it can't be helped" thing has a lot of cultural meanings. I'm just an outsider that finds this shit interesting so I probably don't even know the first thing about it but there's a lot of near self-degredation about it.
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>>124101154
Ilya and Saber are actually the only two that ARE over 18. Besides givens like Rider or Taiga.
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>>124101193
Ah, I don't want people to feel like I'm seriously attacking Fate. I really like it regardless.

Everybody's a newfaggot now Anon. I'm on 4chan year 3.

Speaking of which, I need to go watch anime. Fuck this shithole.
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>>124101209
>Plot holes are lazy, bad writing

I'm gonna let you in on a secret. Even amazing writers aren't perfect.

Also can you stop trying to talk about Japanese writing when you clearly know less than nothing about it.
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>>124101172
Saber also ultimately kills Shirou more than Rin. I don't think Rin like, ever really does.

Let's not get into this debate though, it'll turn into a waifu war.

My point though is I think Shirou and Saber are popular due to a couple of circumstances that don't necessarily relate to people preferring their chemistry. First and foremost, Saber is just popular, so of course the "main" pairing with her is popular as well. The Fate route is also the most well known. Nasu's gone on record saying if he wanted to adapt it again, it would require changes because at this point it's a little too well known to be fresh, so obviously Shirou and Saber will be popular as their route is most recognizable.
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>>124101217
Interesting. While reading the VN, I had developed the feeling that Nasu had, himself, a self-hating mania.
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>>124098558
A lot of reasons, but starting with a doujin and amassing loyal fans probably helped a lot.
Probably the most important is nasu's characters and Takeuchi's design. I don't think TM would have been this popular without Takeuchi, and same without nasu's characters.
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>>124101250
>Saber also ultimately kills Shirou more than Rin. I don't think Rin like, ever really does

Wrong, actually. They are tied in Shirou deaths. Rin are usually mercy killings.

Its retarded to bring bad ends into this though.
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>>124101275
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Saber has at least two kills on Shirou, while I think Rin only arguably has one with that creepy Caster end.
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>>124101209
>Anybody who is a serious, well-respected author would know the difference
I guess that leaves the entirety of /a/ out then.
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>>124101238

Where does perfection come into anything? I was simply outlining an aspect of bad writing, and why Nasu was innocent of it. If anything, your argument only supports me.

Also, you keep saying that I know nothing, but I've yet to see any counterexamples. Beyond that, I'm comparing it to English, in which word choice is paramount and synonyms are rife, so I don't really see what your problem is.
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>>124101297
>I'm pretty sure Saber has at least two kills on Shirou

Four, but two of them are at the behest of Caster and one is Black Saber.
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>>124101334
Okay well arguing over that kind of stuff is just gonna lead to a pissing contest so let's not even really go there.
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>>124101307
Why are you trying to talk about a different language and cultural style of writing when you have no background in it? I mean you can barely manage to talk about English writing.
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>>124101384
Arguing over bad ends is fucking retarded in the first place and you are retarded for bringing them up.
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>>124101300

It's very telling that the only people who even tried to challenge my assertion went after semantics only. It's such a shame that something so good got so ruined by it's fans and popular perception, but at least it's doing well.

>>124101394

>absolutely baseless assertions

Do you think this is going to make me mad? If you're going to give up, and least bow out with some grace.
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