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Is hunterxhunter the shittiest thing to happen to anime or am I not getting it?
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HxH is a manga first.
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>>123572210
It's a great manga.
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hmm what appeals? the plot? the character? I'm confused...
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>>123572303
The characters.
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>>123572176
You're not the only one.
I tried getting into the manga knowing that it's supposed to get good at the point when they go to the tournament to earn some money but it was still incredibly boring and predictable.
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>>123572353
What manga have you read that HxH was predictable?
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>>123572333
I guess to a certain extent the characters are interesting but I wouldn't say stellar in comparison to a lot of the anime out there. What I dont understand is how people become obsessive over a mediocre anime.
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>>123572433
>in comparison to a lot of the anime out there
Like what anime?
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>>123572353
glad to know I'm not the only one
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>>123572264
This. The 2011 version is a massive insult to the visual medium.
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>>123572383
Plenty of manga is predictable, but if you throw it being boring in the mix, it's a huge problem.
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>>123572433
>hxh
>not a god-tier anime

pick one
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>>123572510
That wasn't the question. I want to know what stories you've been reading/watching that make HxH predictable for you. Or do you just have an innate ability to predict everything?
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>>123572483
>50 hours of mostly unanimated exposition
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>>123572452
Characters that either you can identify or emphasize with. The first anime that comes to mind is Welcome to the NHK. Despite the slow points within it the characters simply make it enjoyable. Where as an anime like hxh probably only uses action to keep people entertained. I see no depth
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>>123572433
>What I dont understand is how people become obsessive over a mediocre anime
A few memorable episodes lost in a ocean of mediocrity.
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>>123572641
Not all character need to be sympathetic for them to be interesting, or for it to be interesting to see how they handle certain situations.
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>>123572669
so are those few good episodes enough to have people become mouth breaking fucktards over it? almost everyone I know that watches the anime thinks its one of the most profound and amazing animes out there.
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>>123572433
>What I dont understand is how people become obsessive over a mediocre anime.
And HxH is your first target? There aren't more popular shit anime that people obsess over? Like naruto or something
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>>123572483
>preferring the manga when the anime has full color, madhouses's smooth as hell animation, great voice acting, and a soundtrack

fucking why?
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>>123572748
If you were to believe those the show is only 5 episodes long about the CA arc end.
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>>123572756
well if you had someone post about the flaws in some of the most popular anime out there all I could imagine is the massive shit talking I'd get on a board like this >>123572756
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>>123572787
Because the manga doesn't completely fuck up the pacing.
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>>123572787
>the anime art is infinitely better than the manga
I love it when this happens.
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>>123572787
Because I don't want to spend 60 hours on an anime with a bunch of stills and unfitting music.
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>>123572574
And I told you my problem with HxH is that it's both predictable and boring. I've found plenty of manga that are predictable really good, because they weren't boring.
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>>123572176

It's shit. The manga is shit.

All shit.
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>>123573059
What's so predictable and boring about it?
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>>123572641
>NHK
reddit confirmed
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>>123573059
I don't care. HxH wasn't predictable for me in the slightest, and I want to know what kind of amazing shit you've been reading that make it pale in comparison.
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>>123573113
don't be a assumptive faggot. I just enjoy it
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>>123572787
Because the show's pacing and editing don't hold a candle to Togashi's impeccable storytelling. What you're doing here is pushing for superficial crap. Also it's hilarious how Madhouse flipping the panels was their best attempt at being creative.
>madhouses's smooth as hell animation
That's when there is animation. Which means pretty much never.
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>go to Google image search
>take that first shitty result
>start HxH shitposting thread
How many times I've seen this now
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>>123573332
itsnot like I'm gonna waist my time looking for a good image nigger
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>>123573123
Maybe you shouldn't get so worked up by someone not liking your favorite manga.

But fine whatever.
Berserk, Onepunch man and Vagabond to some extent, I didn't find predictable at all.
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>>123573517
I already read all of those. Is that it?
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>>123573533
From top of my head, yes.

I'd say Prison School also but that's maybe because it's the first manga of that style that I've read so I don't know if it's predictable to someone that has read similar stuff.
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>>123573517
>OPM
>not predictable
>when the manga literally revolves around one punch line being repeated over and over

Come on nigger
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>>123573803
How disappointing.
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What's your favorite shounen?
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>>123573517
Berserk became really boring after the tower of conviction, only a few plot points aren't predictable as fuck
Onepunch man is pretty entertaining, but after the 50th joke about Saitama being overpowered as fuck it becomes a bit less interesting
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>>123573865
Are you asking the OP or everyone
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>>123573865
JoJo and One Piece.
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>>123573329
>hxh is full of stills
i wonder who started this meme? When your show has 148 episodes, there will be some stills here and there. But for the most part it's 90% above average animation. I remember watching the gon vs hisoka fight and there was like 7 straight minutes of well choreographed, smoothly animated, fighting. You just don't get that kind of shit with other action anime.

>>123572825
they adapted that shit panel for panel pretty much, blame togashi if you need to

>muh pacing
There's only like ten or so episodes in chimera ant arc with slow pacing, and they were still good episodes because of the tense atmosphere and how the characters analyzed the stressful situations they were in
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>>123574051
Everyone.
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>>123573865
One Piece and Boku No Hero Academia
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>>123574105
>replying to bait
It's probably the same guy who made 10 posts about HxH being shit in that Berserk/HxH thread the other day and didn't get any replies
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>>123573865
HxH, Gash and JoJo
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>>123573865
HxH and Level E(manga only).
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>>123574212
I just reread his post, and yep it's clearly bait

I'm a dumbass
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>>123574105
>i wonder who started this meme
The anime did.
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>>123572176
You just have shit taste.
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>>123574105
>they adapted that shit panel for panel pretty much
That's the problem, retard. There's nothing to blame Togashi for. Things that worked in manga form, don't always work in anime form. Whoever adapts it should know this.
>There's only like ten or so episodes in chimera ant arc with slow pacing
People always assume I'm talking about the Chimera Ant arc, I don't know if that says more about them or me.

Anyway, I'm mostly talking about the beginning, actually. Which the 2011 version fucked royaly. They stretched single chapters out to full episodes, added shit that wasn't even there or was just glanced over in the manga because no one cared. They also fucked up in establishing Kite.

Nice tumblr gif, by the way, retard. Really shows off the rare quality animation 2011 version had.
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It's a shitty dragon ball ripoff. No one gave a shit about it back when it aired in 1999. Only now it's getting a spotlight and that's because everything else that currently running is shittier than it.
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>>123574650
thanks for your input
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>>123574650
>dragon ball ripoff
I'm curious, how is it similar to DB? Unless you count Meruem, who is only similar to Cell in appearance and strength relative to the other characters
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>>123573865
One Piece, JoJo, Boku no Hero Academia and Bleach
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Sick baits.
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>>123574476
They really made some some scenes longer than they needed to be. Like Canary meeting Killua and Gon falling into despair. Both of those were just one page. Also, Gon took too long to transform.
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>>123574105
>there will be some stills here and there
>for the most part it's 90% above average animation
You do realize the show is incredibly unanimated and all the "examples" of good animation like the ubogin fight or Hisoka fight are complete exceptions right?
>You just don't get that kind of shit with other action anime
You need to lurk more.
>7 straight minutes
My sides.
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>>123574105
>But for the most part it's 90% stills
ftfy
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>>123573830
Being able to predict the fights isn't being able to predict the story.
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>>123573865
It's gotta be HxH, JoJo, Kyou Kara Ore Wa, Again!!, Crows, Eyeshield 21, and GTO in no particular order.
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Watch the original version, the 2011 version is pure shit
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>>123573113
>NHK is Reddit
/v/ confirmed
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>>123572176
Definitely not the shittiest but one that causes the most suffering, for sure. I just want Togashi to stop being a lazy shit and start working. And no the 'muh back pain' doesn't work on me.
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>>123574476
I'm still mad that an insignificant scene like Killua throwing pie at Gon was well-animated but Meruem vs Netero was a slideshow of manga panels and Komugi embracing Meruem was just a manga panel paste
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>>123572353
Uhh... The manga gets good AFTER the tournament. Until that point it's just ok-good tier shounen, at least in my opinion. The York New arc is where it really begins to shine. Greed Island drops a bit but still has some nice moments (dodgeball, Bomber match )and CA arc is the outstanding one, where things really get fucked up.
You dropped it before it really even started.
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>>123575809
No, it gets good during the exam.

The nen exposition in Heavens Arena is a low point, but then it gets better again until the beginning of the Ant arc, which is probably the lowest point of the series. It recovers wonderfully and now we've just gotten into the most hype arc yet.
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>>123575809
The manga is good from the beginning.
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>>123575809
Ok.

I might give it another change at some point then.
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>>123575809
I think it's great from the beginning.
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>>123575809
Why do you think CA is good? It has worse writing than bleach. Nothing that happens in it is entertaining or satisfactory. The story feels like it's changing direction with every episode.
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>>123576153
I think you really start appreciating the happier arcs like the exam or heaven's arena after watching Yorkshin and CA
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>>123576153
This. I was hooked by the first chapter.
>>123576277
Also this.
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>>123576263
Cross Ange is obviously shit.
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I just started watching the original anime after reading up through the arc where they rescue Kilula.

Only 2 episodes in, what is all this filler shit, half this shit didn't even happen, filler characters, filler situations, I thought you guys said 1999 anime was better.
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>>123576263
>seing netero serious for the first time against meruem wasn't satisfactory
yeah ok the way he decided to conclude it was pretty shit but still, there was a fight
>killua going ssj2
and finally
>gon wrecking pitou
yes it's bullshit but if it wasn't entertaining then you're either lying or retarded

not that anon by the way
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>>123577288
Gon wrecking Pitou wasn't entertaining, it was tragic for both of them.
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>>123577266
Yeah, the biggest problem with the 99 version is the filler
The typhoon filler episode was pretty good though
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>>123577266
it is better than the 2011 anime

except for Killua. 2011 Killua is too cute to handle
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>>123577266
You watch 1999 for Yorkshin anon.
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>>123577371
2011 Killua made me drop it

what the fuck did they do to him? disgusting
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>>123577266
>half this shit didn't even happen, filler characters, filler situations
What do you mean exactly? Only the second episode has shit that didn't happen
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>>123577348
tragedy is a form of entertainment, so yes
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>>123577288
>the way he decided to conclude it was pretty shit
The only shit is your opinion
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>>123577677
>random asspull of a bomb
and you have shit for brains
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>>123577266
It is better, in terms of direction, lighting and coloring. Furuhashi actually tries to explore the possibilities of the medium to tell stories instead of pasting panels. If you don't care about that then don't bother.
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>>123577787
The nuke had been foreshadowed multiple times and it made sense that they would try to nuke him you fucking retard
Also it was pretty interesting to think that Meruem never actually stood a chance since he could have been nuked into oblivion if he ever tried something
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>>123577787
The bomb was foreshadowed as early as the Zoldyck arc.
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>>123577865
>Furuhashi actually tries to explore the possibilities of the medium to tell stories instead of pasting panels
And he also gave us this masterpiece
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>>123578022
He's brilliant

Why couldn't he direct Chimera Ant? ;_;
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>>123572176
You aren't getting it at all.
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>>123578022
Only good thing that came out of Kenshin.
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Yes, it is.
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>>123577960
No, Milluki talking about a bomb for a panel isn't foreshadowing, he even details it but it has nothing to do with the rose

>>123577923
can you point me to exactly where it's foreshadowed multiple times?
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>>123578932
It's mentionned several times that they wouldn't be able to win against the ants in a straight up fight, so we already knew he was going to use some time of underhanded method to defeat the King.
Netero also said that he'd have to sacrifice someone to accomplish the mission and that the area they were in was for testing weapons of war. At that point you could have put some pieces together.
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>>123572176
I don't even like HunterxHunter but if those are the only two options then you don't get it, chump.
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>>123572641
>probably only uses action to keep people entertained
So confirmed for not having watched it but still criticizing things you assume the series does?
Because absolutely none of the fights were ever just "lol action".
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Why'd HxH suddenly get an increase in hate? Even gender shitposting was better than this.
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>>123579622
Because it also got an increase in popularity
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>>123576263
>worse writing than bleach
You simply have a shit taste.
Entertaining or satisfactory? So you were looking for some sort of funny adventure and happy ending or something? I enjoyed it for amazing storytelling and interesting characters. The development of Gon and Killua, the sense of suspense and actions of the characters, unpredictable turns of events... I used to look down on shounen manga on general, but HxH, especially CA convinced me otherwise.
Then again, this is probably a bait and replying makes me just seem that much dumper.
Oh, well.
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>>123577266
Anon what filler are you talking about?

Only the second episode has filler, most of the first episode was shit that 2011 skipped, and even then they don't have any filler characters.
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>>123580533
I don't think CA had the 11/10 storytelling of Yorknew, but the characters and development were so impressive to me that it worked its way into my #1 arc of the series.
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>>123573865
Jojo and One Piece, although I admit that they aren't as well written as FMA and the best parts of HxH.
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>>123581433
>fma
>well-written
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>>123581693
How is it poorly written aside from questionable comedy?
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>>123581736
Shit characterization and the themes are poorly handled.
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>>123572483

>insult to the visual medium
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>>123582843
Why is Gon floating in the air half the fight?
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>>123582843
Hisoka was the only good thing about Heaven's Arena.
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>>123582843
>one scene
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>>123577371
>Killua cute
fuck off
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>>123582843
Exceptions. It feels so good when they happen but looking at the big picture, it is still an insult to the medium.
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>>123583466
They really did make him too 'cute', but it's to the point where it's not as endearing.
He was cute in the manga, but both of the anime didn't capture that side of him too well.
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>>123584127
Oh Killua definately had his cute moments in '99 anime. Especially during the Whale Island arc.
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>>123581433
>FMA
>Well written

I like this meme.
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>>123582843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5uVoqafQWs
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>>123584692
Are you saying it's worse written than Jojo and One Piece?
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>>123584756
No, I'm only saying its not well written.
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>>123578932
>can you point me to exactly where it's foreshadowed multiple times?

pic related is one
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>>123584714
The '99 version manages to outdo the '11 version despite being very broadly similar and using outdated technology. Hisoka feels much more in control, and the eventual beatdown is a lot more satisfying
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>>123580533
>Amazing Storytelling
>Interesting character
what? where? are we watching the same series. The CA is an ugly piece of writing that even the writer gave up on. Those long hiatuses happened for a reason, you know. It tries to be 2deep4u and fails miserably. Togashi tried to tackle themes that he himself don't know how to handle.
>unpredictable turns of events
Yea that one is true, even Togashi didn't know what was coming next.
>Sense of suspense and action
No, I didn't care about any of the heroes or the villains or the million other shitty animal character that was introduced and had nothing of value. The fights were anticlimactic as hell.
In the anime, whatever sense there may have been, was buried deep under the constants slow mos and pauses while a narrator tells what just happened in front of you.

You know dark and edgy doesn't mean it's mature or deep.
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>>123584714
I like the old one more.
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>>123585847
Make an argument without using buzzwords.
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Oh, so are we finally at the point where we just hate the 2011 version for petty reasons?
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>>123585847
>2deep4u
>themes that he himself don't know how to handle
What are you talking about?
It wasn't that deep, it was just showing the lines between the humans and ants being blurred, and individuality vs collectivity (Netero killing himself to save the rest of humanity/ Meruem giving up on his species to spend his last moments with the one person he loved is the most evident exemple)
There's no morals in the story, you just read it like a novel or something and that's part of what makes it good storytelling, he wasn't trying to shove a message somewhere
If this is 2deep4u, dark or edgy then i don't know what you watch
>I didn't care about any of the heroes or the villains
Why did you even watch it then? If you don't care about the story then you're not going to enjoy it
>whatever sense there may have been, was buried deep under the constants slow mos and pauses while a narrator tells what just happened in front of you
This didn't happen that much, there was maybe 5 times where it was really noticeable in the 60 episodes, and when it happened it was generally to introduce inner monologue or explaining details that we couldn't know otherwise

I feel like this bait never changes, everytime someone explains it and everytime someone says the same stupid shit again
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>>123586480
>godawful direction
>petty reason
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>>123586615
It's not really any worse than FMA:B or OP or most other shonen
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>>123583554
There are much more grievous sins than the 2011 HxH, or have you only seen like 10 anime? At worse it is average.
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>>123586480
2011 version had its honeymoon period after it started adapting CA, and even the hype from that was not enough to quell the criticism, but since it ended a while ago we're back to bashing the shitty direction full force.
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>>123586686
The direction is definitely worse than FMA:B, what are you talking about? Brotherhood was close to perfection from start to finish.
OP, sure. But no one considers OP a good anime.
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>>123586779
If you need to compare the show to the worst turds around to make it look good, it's not a good sign.
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>>123586899
>Brotherhood was close to perfection from start to finish
Jesus Christ you're one of those
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>>123586686
FMA:B's fights were more inspired than anything HxH11 shat out.
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>>123586954
And again, that's now what I said. What I am saying is you saying it's an "insult" is a large exaggeration.

>>123586980
Oh really?
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>>123586979
It was. Whatever faults Brotherhood had originated from its source material. it was as good an adaption as we could have possibly gotten.
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>>123586980
Depends. If you compare it to the bottom of the barrel or the actual parts Madhouse put some real effort into.
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>>123587076
What are you talking about Brotherhood had huge flaws.
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>>123587076
>Whatever faults Brotherhood had originated from its source material
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What's a good shounen adaptation?
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>>123587133
>What are you talking about
That's what I asked you a few posts ago.
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>>123586480
People get insanely nitpicky over popular, well received series. I'm bored of seeing people have to explain to morons why HxH is considered good when it's obvious they just have elevated expectations + different/bad taste.
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>>123587185
FMA:B.
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>>123573865
JoJo,Magi and FMA.
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>>123587185
Death Note.
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>>123587133
>>123587177
>>123587268
>no argument
Nice meme pictures from last decade though.
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>>123586615
You wouldn't call it godawful if you didn't have 1999 to compare it to. It's nothing special but it's not some atrocity either.
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>>123574275
This.
Every other shonen is shit and you should feel bad for liking them.

Yes I'm including stuff like Animal Land, FMA, OP, YYH, and especially DBZ.
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>>123587185
FMA '03 before they ran out of source material(FMA:B is still decent though). HxH '99(HxH '11 is still decent though).
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>>123572176
While I wouldn't say it's the shittiest thing to happen to anime, it made me realize just how few shounen series the western anime community is actually familiar with considering how people treat the series at times.
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>>123587363
I still would. It's not that hard to spot bad direction and I thought Rainbow was shit too.
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>>123587565
>bad direction
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>>123587185
Urusei Yatsura
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>>123587877
>It has good moments (thank you Togashi-sensei) so it has good direction
That's not how it works.
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>>123587877
I never noticed how much Komugi looked like Chaika
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>>123587877
>colored panels = good direction
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>>123587076
>it was as good an adaption as we could have possibly gotten
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>>123587877
>made killua too cute
>made komugi ugly
>made pitou ugly
>made kurapika ugly
>made chrollo ugly
>made illumi ugly
>made Pariston ugly
>made Ging uglier

Why?
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>>123587953
God, do not speak more if you do not have a slightest idea of direction is it or at least limit yourself not to throw stupid bait

FUCK
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>>123588144
I can still tell it's you because you apparently haven't updated your reaction image folder in the last 5 years.
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>>123587877
116 was the only well done episode in the entire arc

shit adaptation
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>>123573865
One Piece + HxH
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>mfw I saw the original 1999 anime way back in 6th grade
Why the fuck did they make another anime adaptation in 2011 when they could've easily just concluded Greed Island and then move onto the Chimera saga?

I was a huge HxH fan back in 2001, but after 14 years, it's starting to get stale on me.
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Best b8 thread on /a/ right now
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>>123588827
>frogshit
Thank you for your contribution.
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>>123587704
Gon and Killua look terrible
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>>123588769
There was a 10 year gap, it would've been impossible to draw in so many new fans if it started halfway through based on an anime from a decade ago. And people who are already fans probably needed a refresher.
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>>123588769
I liked HxH as a kid, then I just kind of forgot about it. Then I saw a picture of Gon-san in 2014 and was like, "oh, did he find his father?"
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>>123588337
It doesn't take much skill to color a manga panel anon. That's the problem with the 2011 adaptation, some things that work well in manga format don't work well in animated format and vice versa.
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>>123572176
I have love/hate relationship with hunter x hunter . There are some great moments and arcs. The plot is all over the place. Feel like it was written on the fly. Author would start something, then changes his mind completely the next. Hunter x Hunter is a story about Gon and Kiluea, the blonde guy and the guy with glasses are minor characters
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>>123588918
Yet Japan made more movies for DBZ in the past 5 years...

>>123588947
I rarely watch anime nowadays. I don't have much time, but back in 2011, I was taking a break from exams and noticed that Hunter x Hunter was returning. Of course, I was disappointed as fuck that it was a reboot and it'd go all the way back to Square One.

I haven't even read the manga since Killua got his Hunter license.
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>>123589005
Speaking of manga panels, why didn't they include Pitou's perspective while she was trying to intimidate Gon and Killua? During the moment she asked for Gon's name again and then remembered him from back then.
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>>123589088
What you say is spot-on.

This is why I switched to The Law of Ueki over HxH.
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>>123589148
Ueki turned into mediocrity way too fast.

I like the characters though.
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>>123580842
>>123577438
>Only the second episode has filler
Is this a meme? I'm up to episode 20 and just about every other episode is filler.

This gif is from a filler episode where a girl tries to avenger her father by killing Killua, demonstrating the fact that Killua is indeed a master edgelord.

There was the dumb filler in the first exam where the fought a tentacle monster of illusions or some shit.

Then there were the boat island episodes, which were actually pretty cool, but somehow seemed out of place in HxH.
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>>123576263
Agreed. People have massive cognitive dissonance over the CA arc. They invested so much time they feel compelled to act as if it's good.

No doubt there are some good episodes and scenes in that arc, but it could have easily been cut by 65% and still remained the same. We didn't need episode after episode of people standing around while the narrator explains elaborate bullshit only to have those actions not even end up mattering.

It's a character driven show, but why the FUCK am I supposed to care about Shoot, Ikalgo, Knuckle, or Palm? It just feels so wasted. Like it could have done done differently, but it falls flat.

I still really like the show, but it just bums me out how shitty the pacing got sometimes.
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Manga-Only fans being like
>Muh pacing
>Muh stills
>Muh maturity

Shut the fuck up. 2011 is a pretty solid adaptation for a great manga, now if you don't like it then shut the fuck up and watch another thing.

tfw Togashi will never finish the Dark Continent arc
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>>123589601
It might have dragged on in the middle, but I was more entertained by Ueki than HxH. And at least we got a proper conclusion in the original series.

Too bad Law of Ueki Plus was axed.
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>>123589692
I thought the pacing was slow at times but there's no 'compulsion' to act like it was good, it fucked with me emotionally and by the end every slow moment felt entirely worth it for the sake of building up to the climax.

>why the FUCK am I supposed to care about Shoot, Ikalgo, Knuckle, or Palm?
I started that arc thinking there were too many new characters and there was no way I would give a fuck about any of them, but I somehow ended up caring about every single one of them.

You might just not be the type to get emotionally invested in characters but plenty are and that's why the CA arc is so highly regarded by so many people.
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>>123588164
The only thing I agree on is pariston. He's such a qt in the manga. Anime made his face too long.
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>>123589679
Out of the two you said you watched you cunt
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>>123589692
Shoot a best
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>>123590062
I'm obviously a different person, asshat.
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>>123590026
I'll admit I got somewhat attached to all of them. Except shoot. Fuck Shoot. Fucking does nothing, sees Gon running up the stairs and is suddenly filled with the conviction to do a bunch of fucking pirouettes on a flying fist.

Fuck that.
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>>123590152
Seconding that. I don't see why he's so popular. His development was probably the most hamfisted in the entire series.
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>>123590152
I fucking hated Shoot at first but man I really ended up feeling bad for him
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>>123590207
>Shoot
>hamfisted

hehehehe
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>>123590152
>>123590207
Faggots.
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>>123590043
>those dead, doll-like eyes.
Creepy.
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I just want to see this as a fighting game in the future.
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Can we all agree that Knov was the worst character introduced the the Chimera arc? He gets one glimpse of Pouf's aura, pisses himself, and fucks off for the rest of the arc to be an ugly old man.
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>>123590337
I just want a quality Killua scale figure.
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>>123590292
This faggot needs to get laid.
He is like /r9k/ if they were attractive, powerful, and rich.
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>>123590472
Knuckle was. Knov was vital but Biscuit could have trained Gon instead and actually do shit instead of running away all the time and almost die like Cuntckle.
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>>123590472
Yeah.

Not only did that make Knov a shitty character, it also felt really weird. Like Togashi didn't want to deal with him anymore now that he had used him to establish a way into the palace.

He's more a plot device than a character. Weak.
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>>123572940
Even worse is that is the redraw tank versions of the manga, the originals in weekly shonen jump are just a small step above stick figures.
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>>123590546
The chairman used to pound his ass every night.
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>>123572176
You probably just didn't watch enough to make it to the good part.
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I just marathoned the entire 148 episodes and read the manga chapters that follow. Apart from some obvious pacing issues in the Chimera ant arc I thought it was pretty great. Seems like one of those rare cases where a manga is carried mostly by its writing. There was constantly stuff that I didn't expect in a shonen manga.

What I like the most is the setting, and I can totally see why people are saying Falcom's latest Legend of Heroes ripped HxH off. There are so many similarities it isn't even funny. Too bad only one game is translated.

After watching HxH I think I'm willing to give either OP or FMA:B a chance. I take it both of those are worth watching if you liked HxH? I'm just hoping neither of them are extremely cliched and predictable.

>>123590472
The infiltration to the palace to set the portals was some pretty heavy shit. That alone made him pretty great in my book. I'd say almost every character gets their moment and in almost all cases it isn't what you would expect.

>>123590598
If that was the case the easier and more entertaining solution for the reader would have been killing him off in as shocking way as possible.
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>>123590708
You sure those are the tanks? Gon looks pretty sketchy there.
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>>123590472
it was a shame too, his power was really cool and useful.
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>>123590788
>I take it both of those are worth watching if you liked HxH?
If you really want to watch the OP anime then watch until the end of Enies Lobby. Then switch to the manga. The anime pacing gets unbearable and the animation and drawings are shit 90% of the time.
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>>123590788
One Piece and FMA:B are both like 100 and 1000 times better than HxH. As far as characters, plot, and world building go.
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>>123590952
good one
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>>123590990
So, you think HxH lazy all over the place plot can compare to either of those? Or ANYTHING can compare to Oda's world building?

You think Gon and Sasuke 2.0 can compare to any manga's characters?
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>>123591063
>Sasuke 2.0
Not even trying, huh?
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>>123590952
OP has one of the most unlikeable cast of characters I've ever seen, the plot is tossup(HxH is better written but OP actually has an overarching plot, kind of), and the world building does go to OP since HxH doesn't really bother with it
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>>123590788
Watch the original FMA first. Then read the manga, then watch brotherhood. Brotherhood rushes past the first few arcs because 2003 already covered it. 2003 also had a better soundtrack and, arguably, better atmosphere and character designs. However, if you watch brotherhood or read the manga first you may find it hard to enjoy the first FMA once it departs from the manga storyline.
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>>123591063
Kurapika is Sasuke. Or rather, Sasuka is Kurapika. Kishimoto wasn't very subtle on that account.
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>>123591119
>OP has one of the most unlikeable cast of characters I've ever seen
0/10
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>>123591063
>You think Gon and Sasuke 2.0
Killua is based on Hiei if anything, even then the similarity is mostly superficial
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Stop responding to obvious bait you retards.
Oh I forgot that this whole thread is bait. Ah well
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>>123591119
>HxH doesn't really bother with it
There's a considerable amount of world-building in each arc. Nen, Greed Island, the world of appraisers, East Gorteau and NGL, etc.
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>>123590788
>I take it both of those are worth watching if you liked HxH? I'm just hoping neither of them are extremely cliched and predictable.
Both are worth reading, and FMA:B worth watching. But if the thing you like about HxH is how unpredictable it can be (same as me), I wouldn't go into them expecting more of the same. OP can extremely formulaic and the arcs follow pretty set patterns. FMA is polished and tightly written, not necessarily surprising.
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>>123590788
>I'm just hoping neither of them are extremely cliched and predictable.

Inb4 a bunch of bait shit because >muh shounen.

As someone who's watched FMA:B and read OP.

They're worth your time, while staying slightly predictable. Though, you should expect that because these are aimed at the teenage demo and are usually that way to pander to the most amount of people possible.

FMA:B is only 50 episodes. Short and sweet in the scope of popular shounen. If you had time to watch HxH you have time to watch this. Pack it away in a couple nights and I'm sure you'll enjoy yourself. If you enjoy the world and characters there is other FMA media for you to consume.
>>123591135 I would not reccomend this. You don't need the full package. You just want to dip your feet in and see if you'll enjoy it.

OP: I tried to watch the anime but frankly found the starting bit abysmal. The fact that it's so dated doesn't help either. It starts off as small budget shounen and doesn't shy away from that fact. I'd just read the manga. There's a lot to take in and it goes by quicker when your reading. Considering the pacing and portraying OP in this medium is better anyways, its more worth your time.
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>>123591227
Bait threads turn into HxH discussion threads every time.
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>>123591190
>Franky
>Brook
>Usopp
>Chopper

Literally all obnoxious joke characters. Sanji is pretty close too. Nami and Nico Robin are kinda ok but not really charismatic. Zoro is cool. Luffy is likeable too, but that's because he's like 90% Goku.
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>>123591252
Please don't even try comparing that bullshit to Oda's insane levels of world building. You may as well just say that HxH isn't even trying with it.
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>>123591252
HxH makes me thirsty for more world building. I hope that the dark continent arc will help with that.
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>>123591324
>Literally all obnoxious joke characters
Literally shit taste, but I still respect your opinion.
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>>123591340
>it doesn't have as much world building as OP so it's not trying
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>>123591351
There's a reason why it's called the "dark continent."
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If you like battle shounen and don't enjoy both One Piece and Hunter x Hunter you literally have abysmal taste and should consider suicide as soon as fucking possible.
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>>123591493
but HxH is shit
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>>123591493
I dropped OP but I'm considering picking it back up to fill the void.
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I assume that everyone who reads OP has been reading it for 5+ years. It's too imtimidating to start otherwise. Wasn't "long piece is long" a meme back in 2006?
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>>123572176
There are two things that are true about hunterxhunter.

First it is a bad anime when you compare it to superior action shows, look at the hellsing OVA. Regardless of whether you like Alucard you have to admit his fight scenes are superior because the budget is so damn high. OVAs and movies will contain the best action anime for this reas.

Second within it's own narrow category, tv action shows, it isn't that bad. The characters are interesting, the homolust is godly, and the coloring is nice. It's nowhere near as satisfying as something like Kenshrio, Claymore, or even one of the better Dragon Ball arches though.

It's not a terrible show. A solid 3/5
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>>123574650
>baby-tier troll
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>>123591421
It's filled with niggers.
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>>123591618
>The characters are interesting, the homolust is godly,

Characters are shit and super 1 dimensional.

also i feel like you fags only like it because of the homolust.
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Trolls are in full force tonight.
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Reminder to not respond to bait.
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>>123582283
Compare 2003 FMA with almost any shonen.
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>>123591493
Take your own advice faggot.
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>>123591868
Reminder to never consider that certain aspects of HxH might not be 100% perfect.
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>>123591950
there's a difference between admitting faults and spouting shit like >>123591757
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>>123591913
Why are you still alive? I told you to end your life, so please do it.
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FMAB is fucking overrated
please go back to MAL if you disagree
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>>123584714
The old one is clearly worse in every aspect. It's fine for 99 but it's obviously outdated. Don't know how anyone could argue this
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>>123591868
I don't know anon, sometimes I prefer this than discussions about the Gender of the characters and Gon X Killua relationship.
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>>123592135
>provides no actual argument
Sure thing buddy
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>>123591950
Did you even read OP's post?

There's a big difference between legitimate critique and calling something 'the shittiest thing to happen to anime', which is so stupidly hyperbolic that it can be nothing but bait.
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>>123592000
That's true. Also nice trips.

For a legitimate criticism, how do people feel about the ending of the Greed Island arc? I think that I enjoy that arc more than the average fan, but I find the end to be really anticlimactic. I just don't think Genthru is an exciting or even particularly menacing villain. He's almost an afterthought. It's a shame because I think with a few tweaks it could have been so much better.
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>>123592047
>FMA:b
Agree but if you're talking about 2003 i'll fight you nigga
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>>123592174
It's all shitposting in the end.

It's going to be like this until Togashi releases another chapter.
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>>123592012
>If you like battle shounen and don't enjoy both One Piece and Hunter x Hunter
>I told you to end your life
No you didn't and I told you take your own advice faggot do the world a flavor.
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>>123592000
The characters ARE one dimensional though and very boring.

Like real talk. Someone explain why Kilua likes Gon so much and wants to be friends with him. Vice Versa for Gon and Kiliua.
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>>123592188
The ones liking the old one provided no argument either as there is none so can't blame them. I'm willing to accept that some people just have shit taste and like older anime simply for ego.

Not that all older anime is bad. hxh wasn't bad either, but 2011 is clearly better.

>b-b-but still no argument!
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>>123592230
I thought Genthru would have been on Gon's level since he looked like such a faggot with that chin and robe, so it kind of surprised me that he was actually pretty strong.
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>>123592230
I don't think it was an anticlimactic ending, we got a big fight and it was pretty great. He and his cronies didn't need to die for it to be a satisfying end, they still lost.

You're right about Genthru though, he's easily the worst villain in the series and it's disappointing. I agree that it could've been a lot better if it was changed a bit.
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>>123592363
>The ones liking the old one provided no argument either
Fuck off if you refuse to read the thread.
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>>123573865
yu yu hakusho
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>>123592012
>>123592273
No reply? You did good anon now the world is a better place.
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>>123592351
You'll find your answer in the manga. It helps when you actually read the stuff you try to shitpost about.
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>>123592479
Shit taste anon.
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How do you manage to keep your interest in HxH with all the hiatus bullshit? I used to love it but I completely lost interest in it because of Togashis fucking lazy faggot ass.
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>>123592455
Sorry, wasn't counting bait
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>>123592549
It's still much better than every ongoing shonen right now
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>>123592351
Because Killua had no friends in his childhood and Gon is the first person his age he'd met outside his home, same with Gon. Other than that they're just kids who have fun and experience things together. Killua thinks the sun shines out of Gon's ass because of it and has become dependant on him since he didn't have any goals of his own (until Alluka), and Gon takes Killua for granted.

Seriously if you're going to pick shallow characterization, how the fuck can you choose them considering how much their relationship develops over time? Their relationship drama in CA arc was heavy as fuck.
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>>123592443
Yeah, I didn't mean I wanted Genthru to die. I just wanted him to be more interesting. It just felt like they beat Razor and collected all these cards and were like "Oh yeah, now we have to deal with THIS jackass too."
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>>123592351
>characters are one dimensional
>almost every character goes through some kind of development during the series, even secondary ones like Shoot or Palm
Killua likes Gon because he's the first person to not give a shit about him being from a family of serial murderers
Gon would make friends with pretty much anyone, he just gets along really well with Killua because they're the same age and their personalities fit well
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>>123592633
I can't agree. Out of frustration I started One Piece and I enjoy it a whole lot more.
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>>123592549
>How do you manage to keep your interest in HxH
I don't instead I read better shounen.
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>>123592538
Why
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>>123592719
Like...?
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>>123592691
Poor Killua must be passing a kidney stone.
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>>123592633
>It's still much better than every ongoing shonen right now
Fucking kek
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>>123592778
How's bleach?
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>>123592652
I think they both take each other for granted.
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>>123592849
>Bleach is the only ongoing shonen
Try harder.
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>>123592351
you clearly don't know what one-dimensional means.
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>>123592859
True, since Killua never bothers to tell Gon how he feels about him and that's not true the other way around. Gon's just more overt about it at times.
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>>123572176
Poor man's Toriko right here.
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>>123592990
>Killua never bothers to tell Gon how he feels about him
Well, he did express his frustration and anger to his comatose body. Maybe he'll pull a Shinji next time.
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>>123584714
They're both pretty good, but I'm gonna have to give it to the new one.
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>>123592660
The dodgeball game was fucking awesome and probably more climactic than the actual final battle, but Togashi placing climaxes mid arc is nothing unusual.
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>>123572787
>Madhous adaptation is bad
I love this meme
Yea yea you can't outdo the source material but really anyone that say 11 is a bad adaptation has mental issues
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>>123584714
They are both great, 99 may even look better here, but fuck all if it was anywhere else
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>>123592363
There's a better use of angles(e.g. in the feint and pic related), in the first part of the fight 1999's Hisoka makes shorter, more economical movements compared to 2011's wide dodging, which makes him seem more in control of the fight and much more powerful(e.g. when he's swatting away the stones), it shows more closeups on the character's faces, which helps contextualizing the fight(e.g. when Hisoka gets his ass whooped while the 11's prefers to show us gone repeatedly beating a shit load of sweat off him), the final beatdown is a lot more dynamic and interesting to watch
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>>123592351
Just because you're too autistic to understand character motivations and emotions doesn't make something poorly written. You can't expect characters to monologue their feelings and motivations to the audience. That's generally something that people don't like to see. It's called show, don't tell.
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>>123593188
I think you're the one with mental issues.
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It seems like there are an equal number of people who each support the 1999 show, the 2011 show or the manga, and they call all other versions garbage.

Makes it really hard to know where to start with this franchise for an interested newcomer.
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>>123593376
The manga.
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>>123593376
Manga.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOAzDr_alV8
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>>123592719
So you keep rereading Gash Bell?
What the fuck is the point?
We are never getting anything like it and Animal Land turned to shit when Monoko died.
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>>123593317
It's done a lot better in FMA and One Piece
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>>123593376
Probably the manga
If you want to start with the anime, you should probably watch the 99 version first up to the end of the Yorknew arc then switch to the 2011 one
Or at least watch the first episode of the 99 version before Madhouse's, they skip an important character's introduction for some reason
All 3 versions have their pros and their cons though
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>>123593376
manga, because you'll have the end up going back to it anyway.
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>>123593475
What motivations in FMA?
I agree with you on OP but something tells me your powerlevel is comparable to casuals on tumblr.

Just be honest and admit you have only watched 5 anime.
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>>123593475
I'm betting your one of those people that doesn't understand why Killua was so upset in this scene, too.
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>>123593376
The 2011 version is good and the 1999 version and the manga are very good, you can't really go wrong either way
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>>123593469
>Gash Bell
Yeah no said I "instead I read better shounen" not worse.
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>>123593468
There's no real contest here. The winner is obviously 1999.
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>>123593612
Name a shonen better than Gash Bell.
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I loved the 99 version of Yorkshin but fuck me, Madhouse did a much better job with those scenes in particular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3oGDxd6Jqg
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>>123593555
But if you think Gon a worst then you must have not understood it either
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>>123593522
You probably have watched a lot more anime than I have. Most people in this thread probably have.

And that's exactly why I'm so pissed after wasting time on watching through Hunter x Hunter.

Because I normally only watch the best animes. Such as
One Piece
Ping Pong
Attack on Titan
Parasyte
etc
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>>123593468
2011>>>>>>>>>>>>Shit>1999
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>>123593555
Is it because literal fucking children are acting like petty children?
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>>123593722
HxH
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>>123593337
Left is better
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>>123593722
>Name a shonen better than Gash Bell.
I just did... HxH.
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>>123593722
HxH
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>>123593744
Holy shit.
Please don't state your opinions ever again until you have watched more.
Your opinion is only welcomed on MAL/reddit/tumblr not here.
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>>123593468
Pika's rage is more apparent in the 1999 version. I am a fan of how 2011 switches to high contrast black and white during dramatic scenes, though.
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>>123593865
I didn't say those are the "only" shows I've seen. It's just that they are all much better than hxh.

HxH is like Kaze no Stigma and Naruto tier.
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>>123593865
>getting baited this hard
You need to leave this website.
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>>123593376
They're honestly all pretty good. Just depends on your preferences and what's convenient for you.

>Manga if you prefer reading manga in general and want the most accurate version (1999 has some filler and 2011 rearranges scenes/leaves out involving an important character)
>1999 then switch to 2011 if you're fussy about visual and sound directing
>2011 if you don't want any filler and would prefer a holistic/consistent experience rather than downloading two versions of a series you may not even end up liking
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>>123593865
Why do people respond to shit bait?
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>>123572787
>full color
wow my technicolor animaymay. actually the color palette is really poorly done especially when 1999 did it right.

>smooth as hell animation
there's maybe one episode worth of half decent animation

>great voice acting
really not

>and a soundtrack
i like how you didn't even try to claim it's a good soundtrack, because in this case no music would've been better than the pile of shit they composed.

1999 is a good adaptation, 2011 is garbage.
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>>123594089
Because it just makes me so so upset.
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>>123594135
I can understand any of those points except about the voice acting. Megumi Han did a stand out job during the CA arc and in general there's no weak points to the voice acting.
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>>123594489
I thought most of the actors for characters that were introduced in CA were shit. Mostly the ants themselves.
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>>123594135
the soundtrack was actually decent. It was just poorly used.
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>>123594153
>Because it just makes me so so upset
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>>123594559
True, but even listening to the tracks on their own I thought it felt off for Hunter x Hunter.
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>>123572176
I personally think shows like Attack On Titan and SAO are about 3 times better than HxH
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>>123594135
>insulting the voice acting
You did not. Honestly, the voice acting was probably the weakest part of 1999. 2011 fixed that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsKPnCSFGI
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>>123594559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt7Uhn3-ZDk

This fucking tune. Every goddamn time.
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>>123577266
The original anime is better because of the filler. You actually get a sense that the characters have a history that matters, unlike the way they otherwise get shoved in your face with a bunch of exposition.
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>>123594792
1999 adaptation never really had a chance to showcase any talent from the voiceactors besides Kurapika.
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>>123594845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAIpdZR5XfM to compare
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Why couldn't the 2011 version translate the narrator's observations of the characters through the visuals instead?
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>>123594952
I agree, 2011 and 1999 were about even in my opinion for the main characters but the new characters in CA really had shitty voices except for Komugi.
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1999's soundtrack wasn't amazing. From the way people go on about it you'd think it's the same quality as 2003 fma. It's just better than 2011, but not by a huge margin.
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>>123595021
Meruem's voice was great.
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>>123594968
this is a good track but it doesn't fit HxH particularly well
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>>123595016
Because it followed the manga and visuals can't explain thought processes to that extent.
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>>123595087
Actually it works just fine considering what that theme is used for.
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>>123572176
I'm sick of seeing all this hate on Hunter x Hunter. Everyone just says "it's bad" or "it sucks"

If you really have legitimate problems with HxH then at least say what they are in a well thought out manner.

>In before you can't because HxH is actually one of the best shounen right now.
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>>123595107
>Because it followed the manga
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>>123595175
Would it be better to say because the director doesn't realize that when you have the scene play out in animated format then it doesn't need any narration? In other words what works for a manga or may not work when its animated and vice versa.
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>>123594845
What's wrong with this? It really captures the idea of rushing headlong into adventure. Might've been a little overused though.
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>>123595169
The best critiques always come from fans of the series. People who post stupid threads like this rarely have anything interesting to say about it, just that they didn't like it.
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>>123595234
Yes.
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>>123595087
I think it fits more than the 2011 soundtrack which is too flashy. The 1999 one is more mysterious and feels like adventure. Obviously I am used to it since I watched that series first. Maybe it makes more sense if you watch the series and understand how it feels differently from 2011.

>>123595107
True, but they could have cut a lot of what the narrator said. In the manga it was fine since you can read faster, but it was a slow grind in the anime. Plus, they cut nice parts like the timer at the start of the invasion, there's no excuse for the choices in that direction other than they wanted to save money by lengthening it.

>>123595084
I didn't like it. Felt too average. Especially hated octopus's voice.
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>>123595087
I like it, it feels light and exotic without being childish, I think it fits well
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>>123592761
Most ongoing shounen anon.
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>>123595293
>Felt too average
It felt perfect especially with the way he speaks.
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>>123592761
JoJo
One Piece
FMA
Bleach
Naruto(at least it's finished)
Attack On Titan
Kekkai Sensen
7 Deadly Sins
Akame Ga Kill
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When are Gon and Killua going to finally do little boy butt stuff? All this waiting is killing me.
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>>123595429
evin
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>>123595311
Exotic is a good term. And 2011 soundtrack, especially at the start, feels kind of synthetic in comparison. I still remember the threads when everyone was whining about the bad soundtrack (Hisoka's theme in the Hunter exam especially) and I wonder if people today really think it is good.

>>123595399
I thought he needed to sound more imposing or menacing, the VA sounded too bored even when he was meant to sound intimidating.
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>>123595461
Never, because I'll be the one doing butt stuff to Killua.
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>>123595245
Overused is key.
songs on the soundtrack that reused that melody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02gbpGVbyJg&index=10&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdyMyYvfig&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mguKt8efSV4&index=16&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvlZDJR267Y&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C&index=22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABvp01nr2E&index=31&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBlO7zMxLOs&index=35&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C
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>>123595530
>that horrible timing of hisoka's theme
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>>123595530
>Hisoka's theme in the Hunter exam especially

Fuck that is a great song. My feelings about the OST of 1999 and 2011 aren't as strong as some people here, but I thought that song was excellent.
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>>123595530
>Meruem needed to sound more imposing or menacing
Someone who's bored and knows he's the King needed to sound more imposing and menacing. Yeah sure, anon.
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>>123595429
>Forgetting Toriko
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>>123595600
As long as you are a little boy that is fine.
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>>123595635
More like that horrible timing of every track. The soundtrack in the first few arcs was fucking awful. Imagine Chimera Ant if they hadn't spent nearly a hundred episodes practicing Directing 101.

>>123595703
Actually if I recall Hisoka's theme was more "controversial", most people thought it was shit but some liked it. I was neutral initially but it really didn't fit him or the scenes where it was played. He seemed less threatening than he should have because of it.
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>>123595719
This. Meruem was bored most of his life, he spend the majority of it inside the castle doing nothing after all.
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>>123595785
> was neutral initially but it really didn't fit him or the scenes where it was played. He seemed less threatening than he should have because of it.

I can definitely see that. It's too bad because it really isn't a decent song, but maybe wasn't the best choice given the circumstances.
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>>123595770
Is it okay if I just look like one
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>>123595633
>what is a motif
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>>123595461
The day will surely come anon, surely. At least I will be here waiting with you for as long as it takes. ;__;
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>>123595867
I won't tell if you won't.
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>>123595600
Dibs on Gon.
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>>123595785
Well CA had awful directing for the most part too.
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>>123596038
Hisoka please.
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>>123596083
No it didn't.
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>>123595169
Ok then, I'll have a go. The biggest problem with the series is how much it relies on elaborating on a given situation to an excessive degree, having the characters come up with some kind of 'clever' solution to the issue that either makes no sense, comes out of nowhere or contradicts some previously established idea and then explaining the solution to make out like it's smart even if what happened was completely arbitrary. Having Gon, say, win a fight by enduring hits, purely because his opponent never did anything that would have crippled him without killing him, which would have actually fucked him over, is a really stupid idea, but it's made out to work for some reason. Most things in the show are like this, and the things that do make sense generally do so only because the systems set up are so open ended that they potentially enable pretty much anything, and so cease to be interesting. I'd say that the pretentiousness of this actually makes it dumber than most shounen, which at least don't pretend to be particularly smart in the first place.

The few things it does that might actually be called subversive "for a shounen" were flatly done much better in his wife's series anyway.
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JUST IMAGINE:
Muscular 15-year old Gon and Killua wearing panties and slutting all over the place
hngggg
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Went to shit after pic related in my opinion. Show got SO FUCKING SLOWWW, hours and hours and HOURS of exposition by the narrator and wasted time on pointless chimera ant characters like giant blue beatle fuck. I stopped when the arc ended, it fucking ruined me. Meruem fight wasn't even that interesting in my opinion.

Meruem and Komugi greatest love story ever told though
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>>123572176

So many replies for a bait of this quality...
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>>123596250
>that Killua
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>>123596153
>Having Gon, say, win a fight by enduring hits, purely because his opponent never did anything that would have crippled him without killing him, which would have actually fucked him over, is a really stupid idea
Hanzo had a choice between crippling a little kid he liked and making a bunch of enemies, and taking his chances with some of the other fighters he was clearly much better than. It makes perfect sense.
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>>123596280
The bait is just an excuse to talk about it
thanks op
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>>123596153
>having the characters come up with some kind of 'clever' solution to the issue that either makes no sense, comes out of nowhere or contradicts some previously established idea and then explaining the solution to make out like it's smart even if what happened was completely arbitrary
I'm curious, what are you thinking of here?
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>>123596262
>tfw 3 straight weeks of running from the stairs
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>>123596453
I like the manga expression better. His eyebrows are too sharp in the anime.
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>>123596653
>knees too sharp 2/10 wouldn't bang

the shit you people complain about is ridiculous.
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>>123596153
I'll definitely say that while I like the show, I disagree with a lot of fans that think that Nen is a well designed system. Honestly at first it's kind of okay, but ultimately just becomes a way to come up with gimmicky powers. That's fine because it's a battle shonen with special powers and some of the powers are really cool.

But all the bullshit about different types of nen users and different techniques end up becoming pretty pointless because each new ability is just some crazy bullshit that Togashi thought up. Nen has "rules", but honestly it's just whatever it needs to be at any given point.
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>>123596653
Me too. It encompasses more emotion, at least in my opinion.
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>>123596925
I'm confused, what abilities don't fall within the range of the rules that had been established from the start?
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>>123597036
I imagine he's talking about the conditions.
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>>123596925
That's what I think's good about it, that it allows for plenty of creativity while still having defined rules. Compare it to say, devil fruits or stands, which are basically just whatever power the mangaka can come up with, nen is still far more systematic and can be explained.
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>>123596926
They really didn't do some expressions justice.
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>>123572176
>Overrated x Overrated

The fanboys hype it up to be this brilliant shonen when in reality all it does is pander to plenty of shonen cliches. They think it's 'deep' because they've never read a book before in their life.

Just the fact that Togashi has the nerve to disrespect and insult his fans with his frequent hiatuses alone should take Hunter x Hunter off of GOAT anime/manga list instantly.
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>>123597091
Any sort of special power based on some ineffable "life force energy" is going to ultimately be bullshit, so I guess it's pointless so nitpick over it.

Why is APR only 10% every 10 seconds? Why is it only effective within 100 meters? Why does it force zetsu for 30 days? How is that shit even determined? It doesn't really matter because it works out, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Could Knuckle have made it 10% every 5 seconds if he reduced the range to 25 meters? Or if he reduced the zetsu duration to only 10 minutes? Ultimately it doesn't matter because it's a neat power that creates interesting situations, but it's still all fairly arbitrary.
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>>123597237
Would you say the same for Berserk? Stop being a faggot, the author's work schedule has nothing to do with the work at all. I don't feel disrespected by someone avoiding overwork and health issues.

And nobody is comparing HxH to actual literature, just other battle shounen, and I don't think you understand what 'pander' means if you're using it as if shounen cliches are the audience and he's trying to appease them.
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>>123597192
I agree that it has its positive sides, especially compared to something like devil fruits like you mentioned.

I like stands better though because they are just absolute bullshit no matter what, but it's portrayed that way from the get go. I guess it's a matter of preference because I can't really justify why I find stands more appealing than Nen and both more appealing than devil fruits.
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>>123597576
I get what you mean about stands, Jojo isn't really supposed to be taken so seriously and the ridiculousness is part of it's charm.
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>>123597405
Well, nen abilities usually fit the personality of their user so it helps understand things a bit more
Knuckle doesn't like to kill and is good at running away, therefore his ability has a bit of range and doesn't cause real damage
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>>123596371
This would have been great if it was specifically elaborated on as the reasoning behind this. Since it doesn't, and the reasoning behind tons of stuff in the series is so frequently incomplete, I have to reason to believe that it was actually that well thought out. It constantly brings up various intelligent ideas that it's author likes the sound of, but then fails to properly take advantage of them.

>>123596441
I'm surprised that you don't see most of the series as plainly being like this. Stuff like assuming a snake master would have antidote on him in the context of a tournament, and not considering the possibility of him having built up an immunity to the poison or some other weird trick entirely. Assuming that a question with no apparently clear answer must be a trick and that the correct thing to do is to not bother answering, even when the previous person to run through it was told that they must answer one way or the other and that they passed the test when they did answer, is also arbitrary and has no real logic to it.
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Let's go home, guys.
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>>123598010
>not considering the possibility of him having built up an immunity to the poison or some other weird trick entirely
They stated themselves that they assumed he had it as a tool of negociation if one of his snakes bit someone, not for himself
>they must answer one way or the other and that they passed the test when they did answer
Well this one's a bit trickier, she said "any other answer won't be accepted", and the guy that passed was never told he passed the test, and Kurapika heard him screaming (this wasn't told in the 2011 anime for some reason) so he figured out he didn't actually pass
I understand your point though, but most of it isn't as arbitrary as you think
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>>123598010
Shit working out for the characters even though it possibly couldn't in real life isn't exactly exclusive to HxH. If things didn't go well for the MCs in bad situations stories just couldn't happen.

Also I think you need to rewatch the exam scene, because they weren't told they passed, they were just allowed through. And they were allowed to not answer. That was a really obvious trick, anyone could've got it.
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>>123598562
Imagine things not working out for the main character

>Gon can't manage to catch Lord of the Lake
>Stays on whale island
>Doesn't become a hunter
>Gets a splinter in the forest
>Gets infected
>Gon dies at age 14

:(
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>>123598677
>Killua never meets his light and savior
>doesn't get rescued when illumi takes him back
>never gets the balls to save Alluka
>dead inside
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>>123598010
It was said that the snake guy probably had an antidote on him as a bargaining chip.
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>>123598010
>Stuff like assuming a snake master would have antidote on him in the context of a tournament
If you're carrying a bunch of poisonous snakes and expect to interact with people, carrying antidote on you is common sense, unless you're some kind of cackling villain
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>>123598562
>(this wasn't told in the 2011 anime for some reason)
>>123598562
>That was a really obvious trick, anyone could've got it.
It's not obvious that the question wasn't some kind of riddle of the Sphinx metaphor that relied on some other form of context. Keep in mind that I'm not claiming all the solutions are flatly wrong, simply that the reasoning behind them is made out to be far more sound than it actually is the vast majority of the time, which ends up being very wasteful and ton of exposition time is wasted on shit that doesn't matter. The result is usually exceedingly boring or just plain stupid.
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>>123599047
It's not wrong to make that kind of conjecture at all, it's just the way the characters are made out to be so confident in their thought process that makes most of the scenarios so bizarre, especially when the viewer can only follow along with what they are told. Elaborating on stuff like weighted decisions with the candles/RPS, only for it to just not matter is exactly in line with how typically lame the scenarios in the series are. It's difficult to be reasonable and logical when there's every reason for flat out weird shit to happen, based wholely on Togashi's discretion.
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>>123599207
What did you think after she asked the question, with the info provided by Kurapika? It obviously wasn't a regular question so there had to be some sort of trick to it, it was part of the exam after all
Even the reasoning behind it is sort of weird, remember that this is the first arc of the series and probably the most generic one
>>123599605
>the characters are made out to be so confident in their thought process
During the snake part, only Gon was confident and it turns out some 300 chapters later that he's fucking nuts and that it has been hinted at a lot of times, including that one
The candle thing mattered, he couldn't just run to the guy to kill his flame because the stage they were in was really high and there was a lot of wind, he only could do it once the gunpowder/oil kicked in since it made the flame a lot stronger and couldn't be killed as easily
Though i agree on the RPS thing, it didn't matter much since Leorio was fucking dumb anyway
Most of what you complained about is explained pretty clearly
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at the end of the day hxh is an embarrassing cringefest written by a tryhard trying to be unique who ends up using the same old cliches
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>>123600270
I don't care about the bait but this pic is a 10/10
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>>123572787
i had to stop at this part bc i'm a fucking pussy. couldn't handle that jajaken charge up
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>>123596250
>15-years old
Fuck off, shotas should stay shotas forever. You normies already have countless anime with teenage protagonists and you still have to try and bend everything to match your tastes. Do have any idea how frustrating it is when you can only find shotas in shitty commercial kiddy anime? Seeing aged up art makes my skin crawl and imaging Killua and Gon growing up is enough to make me vomit.
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>>123600520
Don't worry anon, he catches her and then she heals Kite and they live together and it becomes a SoL
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>>123600594
if only
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>>123573502
waste*
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>>123600564
I like both faggot chill out

Also did you guys ever notice:
Gon and Killua's auras affect water in a glass, so does that mean bodily fluids inside of them are affected?
So Killua's cum is all sweet and tasty and Gon cums bucket loads
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>>123593732
That fucking OST is so out of place. I dropped 2011 during tournament arc and that really does not makes me want to revert to it.
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>>123600791
Gon can enhance his dick too, no wonder Killua likes him so much
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>>123600825
So you never experienced Chimera and Election in animated form? Also the old adaptation's greed island is fucking awful
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>>123600909
God i forgot these GI ovas were garbage
What the fuck happened
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>>123596250
I've never really understood the appeal of armpits before now.
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>>123594710
That's called nostalgia bias you fucking retard.
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>>123600759
>tfw no Pitou spinoff
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>>123584714
99 will always look better to me. The colors are more interesting and it makes it feel more endearing. 2011 looks sterile or something I feel.
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>>123600382
Yeah, that is honestly a thing of beauty.
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>>123600009
>What did you think after she asked the question, with the info provided by Kurapika? It obviously wasn't a regular question so there had to be some sort of trick to it, it was part of the exam after all
I certainly don't disagree, but given the information provided, it's really stretching it. I'm just watching through the scene in the 2011 version again, and the way the scenario is presented, there is no way that a viewer could be expected to come up with the 'correct' answer, since the option of not answering and instead choosing a different path is in no way hinted at or even clued in as a possibility and the woman states that not only will a response disqualify you, but that '1' and '2' are the only acceptable responses. The problem is that the solution still only makes sense after the fact and there's nothing to rule it out as also being wrong. There is absolutely nothing logical about the solution given they couldn't rule out some other kind of reasoning. Leorio even specifically decides to do the 'correct' thing mid way through and is threatened with being disqualified, while Kurapika is then decided to have done it the 'right' way, which absolutely cements the whole scenario being bullshit. It's based on a stupid technicality of 'the real answer being silence' which makes no fucking sense given what had already been presented.
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I don't see how you faggots think 1999 has better colors. They look washed-out and brown. Was it shot with film? Because it looks in need of a digital remaster.
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>>123600908
He can also enhance his grip
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Reminder to not sexualize the hunters
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>>123601502
The grip of what? More than just his hands?
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>>123601553
Too late.
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>>123597237
>Just the fact that Togashi has the nerve to disrespect and insult his fans with his frequent hiatuses alone should take Hunter x Hunter off of GOAT anime/manga list instantly.

And why would that be? Because ad hominem?
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>>123597405
>Why is APR only 10% every 10 seconds? Why is it only effective within 100 meters? Why does it force zetsu for 30 days?

Because that's how Knuckle set it up. Why does Togashi need to explicitly state a reason? HxH is shonen, there's no point in making this shit any more complicated than it already is, what you might think to be a "flaw" is actually just your autism going ballistic.
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>>123601613
yeah like his butthole
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>>123597405
Luffythedragonslayer?
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>>123601374
So tell me, what would you have done? He ruled out the possibilities of answering the question with the answers given because that other guy was never told he got it right and he heard him screaming (the woman said the other path was filled with monsters and shit, so it obviously wasn't the right one), and giving another answer was out of the question since it meant being disqualified
However there was a time limit and she didn't say anything about not answering in time, therefore it was the only thing left

Try reading the manga, for some reason the 2011 anime changes some scenes, i don't remember it too well but i believe they did with this one too
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>>123598010
holy assburgers..
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>>123600594
never ever
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>>123573865
Eyeshield 21,BNHA
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>>123602788
;_;
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>>123602392
Sorry, I forgot why I hated those scenes so much before and had to watch them again, then realized exactly why I hated them so much when I did and can clearly point out why they are so much bullshit.

>>123602176
>So tell me, what would you have done?
Me? I have no fucking clue, because the way everything was presented was a complete clusterfuck of nonsense. Having the woman deny them from going along another path and not answering, only to reveal that very thing to be technically 'right' and then revealing the alternate path anyway is just dumb. The series is filled with stupid shit like that that makes other the other characters to be less intelligent even when they did nothing more wrong. If she had disqualified Kurapika for being silent, given what she told Leorio before, what would your objection be, aside the the whole setup being ridiculous? There are relatively few places where characters actually gain victory through something that is both clever and soundly thought out.
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>>123603445
>If she had disqualified Kurapika for being silent, given what she told Leorio before, what would your objection be, aside the the whole setup being ridiculous?
Well as i said, by elimination the only answer possible was not actually answering, so it would have been pretty stupid to let anything else be the correct thing to do/say
>The series is filled with stupid shit like that
Like when? I'm curious
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>>123602788
reminder to hate the cat
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>>123604055
Pitou did literally nothing wrong.
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>>123604289
Pitou did everything wrong
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>>123603445
This anon is clearly autistic, its pathetic alien brain lacks the ability to comprehend and reason. Jokes roll right over its head, sarcasm is apparently a nonexistent concept to them. Unless a fact is explicitly stated, it is not true, it is flawed. Hunter x Hunter is a character driven story, to it, certain actions are scene as "questionable" or "illogical" because Autismo cant interpret human reasoning. It cant see things from any characters point of view, only its. And because its view is so warped, everything comes off as nonsensical, everything happens "just because". They are incapable of understanding that everything they see is warped from autism-goggles, and that if they simply did not have autism none of these "flaws" would exist. You would be able to comprehend the characters actions instead of seeing things "as they are" and waiting for everything to be explained. All autists should simply be dragged out of their homes and shot. These subhuman freaks should never be given the chance to spread their genes. Hunter x Hunter threads are cancerous because of people like you, your brain simply will not allow you to understand the show and there isn't anything anybody can do about it. Just stay out of the threads and remain in whatever cancerous general exists for whatever anime your kind is capable of accepting.
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>>123603773
>by elimination
By eliminating what? They were given no specific reason that answering either 'one' or 'two' wouldn't lead them down a correct path, so there's nothing ruling out the idea that the other guy happened to have had the 'correct' answer, but just had faulty reasoning (as Leorio pointed out). Furthermore, the woman specifically denies Leorio from seeking out the alternate path or not answering and threatens to disqualify him if he doesn't respond to the question right.

They could have done something like, have the woman just appear, leave the other path open for anyone to freely find it, have her not threaten anyone with being disqualified and simply say that not giving a right answer will not result in her letting you pass here. Then the solution would have some sort of logic to it.

>Like when? I'm curious
Show me a given scene where the characters come up with some clever solution to something. Like having the rock climber guy be eaten by a flying demon for trying to get off the tower without any indication of something like that being there, and being made to seem stupid for trying (which is the real thing that bugs me about it), then having the main cast 'cheat' later and being made to seem clever for breaking through walls and shit. I can barely think of any scenario in the series that doesn't arbitrarily glorify certain solutions over others for no specific reason, and the things it does get right are barely smarter than any other shounen.
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I've read the manga and watched the anime. Yes, I read the manga first.

The anime is a near-perfect adaptation, and enhances most everything about the manga. If you disagree, you're probably a contrarian fuckhead that doesn't even know what they're trying to critique.
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>>123604957
>that soundtrack
>enhances

lel
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>>123604433
>Unless a fact is explicitly stated, it is not true, it is flawed.
I really don't think much of the HxH fanbase and the way you guys feel so superior to those who don't like it, but this is just so backwards I don't know what to say. It's because I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of the characters and their motivations that it makes no sense, it's because the events are so open ended and pregnant with possibilities that the way it seems to champion such highly specific solutions comes off as being silly. If you can't see how most of the reasoning behind the things working out the way they do is retroactive than I don't know what to say, HxH (the 2011 version at least, I actually quite like what I've now seen of the '90s version so far) gets away with this shit far too much.

I hate that it basically does with 'smarts' what other shounen do with powerlevels.
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>>123604820
>there's nothing ruling out the idea that the other guy happened to have had the 'correct' answer, but just had faulty reasoning (as Leorio pointed out).
Because no reasoning could have led to a "correct" answer, trying to use reasoning would only be saying what you expect her to want to hear, therefore reasoning is useless here
>Furthermore, the woman specifically denies Leorio from seeking out the alternate path or not answering and threatens to disqualify him if he doesn't respond to the question right.
She threatens to disqualify him for walking away, not for not answering
>Show me a given scene where the characters come up with some clever solution to something
Gon waiting until Hisoka can't control himself to get a shot at getting his badge, the whole plan to get Chrollo as an hostage, the plan to defeat Genthru, Meruem figuring out a pattern or an inclination in the combinations of attacks Netero was able to use to find a flaw in his defenses, Netero and the nuke, Pariston and the election off the top of my head
>being made to seem stupid for trying (which is the real thing that bugs me about it)
When was he made to seem stupid? It seemed like the easiest way and it bite him in the ass when the exam obviously had something else planned given the 72 hours time limit
>having the main cast 'cheat' later and being made to seem clever for breaking through walls
Well i didn't really like this either, it was a bit dumb that they wouldn't have something to prevent this when they had a way to prevent people from climbing down, i see your point
But my guess is it's considered "smart" because at that point there was a lot of tension between everyone, they were all at the edge of killing each other like intended but keeping your cool in that situation and figuring out a way to make it without anyone dying/staying behind was sort of impressive or something

You're only listing things during the exam arc too, that's hardly "filled with it"
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>>123572176
>Is hunterxhunter the shittiest thing to happen to anime or am I not getting it?
you're not getting it
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>>123601953
>>123601677
>samefagging this hard
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>>123604996
What was wrong with the soundtrack?
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>>123606420
fucking owned bitch
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>>123584714
They're both pretty good and in the end it comes down to personal taste when deciding which is "better".
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So precious
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>>123588144
if you think the original FMA was good, go try and watch it again, it hurts.

better yet, read the manga and then watch original FMA

you will rip your own fucking dick off
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I want to see the threads when there was just 1999 and the manga and compare the quality of posts between then and now.
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>>123607565
You can find them in the archive
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>>123607565
I imagine it was basically the same but with less people
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>>123605589
>Because no reasoning could have led to a "correct" answer
How would you be sure? But you seem to be fine with Kurapika reasoning out a solution based on a highly specific interpretation of the events, yet not also considering the possibility that the puzzle was some kind of metaphor for something else that could actually be worked out with other contextual information, which would have been at least as reasonable and means there is no way to simply rule other possibilities out like that. Either way, the actual solution is something which an outside observer would have no way of being able to work out with any kind of confidence, the nature of the trick makes it so very open ended.

>Gon waiting until Hisoka can't control himself to get a shot at getting his badge
This would have been great as a spur of the moment, improvised thing, but way too much time is spent on Gon deciding this is the right course of action and planning this out beforehand.

>You're only listing things during the exam arc too, that's hardly "filled with it"
The early parts are more filled with this particular kind of silliness, that later parts are more so open that any number of things could happen and on the whole the problem is that the HxH will resolve things but spending excessive time setting up a bunch of rules, only for them to not really be necessary when all is said and done. It's so boring watching it come up with all of these apparent intellectual challenges, only for things to play out in ways that render the ideas behind them pointless or just a bunch of nonsense.
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