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So /a/, I've been thinking about this and have not yet come

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So /a/, I've been thinking about this and have not yet come up with a conclusive answer. What is you're opinion? Who would win?
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>>123233671
Well, Cu's Gae bolg's anti-unit NP has the tendency to reverse causailty. Thus, the series of "thrust at opponent > piece heart" is reversed by "heart is pierced, thrust opponent." This is something that Accel can't calculate against, since there's no time to. it's done before it's done.
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>>123233671
Gae Bolg fucks around with causality. Accelerator himself has hypothesized that attacks like voodoo dolls that goes around his barrier may harm him.

Unless Accel is suddenly Crowley-tier there is no reason for him to not be harmed by Gae Bolg. He may survive it but Gae Bolg will still hit him regardless.
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>>123233902
This argument falls apart when in universe, gae bolg has been avoided or guarded against on-reaction multiple times. That's simply not how it's causal manipulation works.
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>>123234040
and it falls apart on luck. So, I will concede that, in a million trials, not all outcomes will be the same. Dat E tier luck.
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Accel probably gets hit, but he doesn't really need his heart.
The curse might get him still, though.
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>>123233671
Accelerator has S+ luck so he avoids it
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>>123234222
True, but it doesn't just affect his heart
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Wonder what would happen to Hamazura or Touma if Gae Bolg was used
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>>123234583
Touma gets hit in a really, really painful way that doesn't cause any permanent damage.
Hamazura dodges.
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>>123234391
Am I the only one who is sort of mildly offended by this? I think of it for a while and I feel funny and then I just start laughing and read it again. It makes me wonder how it would feel to be tied up while someone who writes this stuff is around. They must be naturally sadistic to come up with it so it makes me feel warm inside.
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>>123234848
>dodges
Hamazura's luck will make Cu stab his own eye by accident.
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Shiki
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>>123234960
>They must be naturally sadistic to come up with it so it makes me feel warm inside.
I dunno, some instant kill is fairly tame compared the original version:

>The Gáe Bulg had to be made ready for use on a stream and cast from the fork of the toes. It entered a man's body with a single wound, like a javelin, then opened into thirty barbs. Only by cutting away the flesh could it be taken from that man's body
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>>123233671
It would work but Accel would get a good luck roll simply because Lancer.
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>>123234997
Shiki loses because Accel can fly and stuff, correct me if I'm wrong since I know nothing about Turkeyhandle but I think he's just a dude with a knife, even if he can debug Accel.
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>>123235338
he will just cut vectors
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>>123235338
If Accel lets Shiki get into close combat he is at a really high risk of dying because of how Shiki's eyes work
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>>123235522
Shiki is not capable of something of that magnitude and even if he could the universe would just fall apart.
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>>123235544
It really depends if he can see the AIM field of Accellerator.
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>>123236229
Shiki would most likely break his mind in the process but he probably could.
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>>123233902
Gif source pls
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Kanata punches everything in Raildex to death.
/thread
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>>123236229
His Jagan would let him see it. The only question is if it would give him a stroke before he can cut it.
Ryougi would be able to pull it off regardless.
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Why is everyone assuming that Lancer attacks first?
And Shiki can't kill anyone outside Nasuverse because they don't to Gaia.
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>>123236424
what about my balls?
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>>123236766
*belong to Gaia.
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>>123235563
Void Shiki gg lol
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>>123236882
Shiki kills the concept of "vectors".
What happens then?
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>>123236793
Yes, she can punch those to death too.
And possibly eat them.
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>>123236949
He can't dumbass, learn how death perseption works before posting. It's not All Fiction.
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>>123236949
we get stuck with shitty jpegs
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>>123237110
See >>123236882
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>>123237116
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Go back to Gaia
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>>123237116
heh
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>>123236949
Then Shiki is no longer able to move. She'll just end up breaking the universe and herself with it.
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Accelerator loses as Gae Bolg activates on a higher plane than instantaneous movement and does not rely on speed or vectors to initiate it's effect, it rewrites history itself so that the opponent is already dead.

Unless Accel has immense luck it's impossible.
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>>123237958
Wrong
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>>123238031
>[citation needed]
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So let's say Gay Bulge destroys accel's heart.

Can accelerator just use vectors to keep his blood flow going and his oxygen supply alright? And then during this time, he could have heart reconstruction surgery?
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>>123238189
It does more than destroy his heart >>123234391
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>>123237958
He has a loli, that seems pretty lucky
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>>123238189
Gay Bulge completely eviscerates a body from the inside. Considering how much of a glass canon he is I doubt he'd survive that. Now Fiamma on the other hand.
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>>123238423
Fiamma wins because his right hand says so.
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>>123238189
Gae Bolg wounds do not heal at all.
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Are saints faster than servants?
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>>123235191
Dodging the bulge with luck means it misses the heart. You still end up with a spear in the chest.
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>>123241050
Accel can survive a wound like that, the thorns don't activate unless the heart is hit luckily.
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>>123239381
Fiamma wins a knuckle sandwich and gets to chow down. That's all.
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>>123241050
A spear to the chest is nothing to Accel.
He survived being bisected by an abomination.
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>>123233671
Tough question, Lancer fucks with causality but Accel fucks with reality so it is hard to think whether the lance or the reflection will have the priority
There is also the fact that gae bolg is a magic item so even if Accel could control its vectors he can't do it efficiently and would have to rely on luck to survive
Then again with how unlucky Lancers are luck is your best ally
>>123241050
He has survived worst
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>>123236949
If Shiki can kill the concept for vectors, can she also kill the concept of "death"

Or the concept of "time" or "the concept of the universe"?
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so what can void shiki do that regular shiki can't?
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>>123242156
It's essentially Akasha in human form. Can supposedly rewrite history and erase the universe and create a new one in it's place, etc. None of that is ever actually demonstrated, though, and her physical abilities are still limited.
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>>123239946
How fast are servants?
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>>123242376
It's also completely apathetic, which in a way is even more depressive than Lovecraft's blind idiot god.
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>>123242795
Depending on which scene and who's writing, anything from marginally superhuman to just below light speed.
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>>123243000
so lower in some cases and faster in others
saints only reach mach 2 i believe, with the only thing being faster and not made of bullshitium being carissa and knight leader. but we don't know how fast they are.
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>>123243733
They can move faster if they are not afraid of their limbs flying off
Also Accel and Kakine were way faster than mach 2
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>>123241753
What has worst ever done to him?
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>>123244116
>kakine
never happened anon, even beetle-kun isn't said to be above mach 2
>accel
only with wings which are made of bullshitium
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>>123244129
She seems like an annoying roommate to have
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>>123244129
Fucked him in his sleep.He liked it.
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>>123244319
What's wrong, can't handle the banter?
Are you a #SHITLAD?
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>>123244129
she insults him, claims he's not edgy enough for her, gets between him and LO, and bullies umidori which is bad for everyone.
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Angel Wings gglol
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>>123244319
Accel likes it though
>>123244455
All good things
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>>123244705
>implying he would even need to block the sword
Second panel is accurate though, not enough blood reversal though
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>>123236882
Void Shiki can only fight defensively against Servants.
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>>123244848
Accelerator isn't a servant.
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>>123244655
>People who don't know would thing they are an actual family(Father-Mother-daughter)
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>>123244286
Regardless, both of their wings can move at faster speeds and it is not like Fate has realistic standards
Also with Accel's vector control and Kakine being made of DM there really is no reason why they couldn't
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>>123244961
but anon he is a hero

>>123245016
Did they had LO when they were ten or something?
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>>123243733
Saints are way faster than mach 2. Fighting with Gabriel makes them that if nothing else, since it was making mach 6 jets look like they're standing still and it's wings could cross hundreds of kilometers in a moment.

>>123244286
Didn't Accel outpace a bunch of bullets in the Accel manga?
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>>123244961
Well if it's Accelerator, you don't even need Ryougi. Tohno can beat him, assuming he's gone off the deep end and is fully willing to kill another human being. Though even Ryougi has a hard time crossing that line (blah blah you can only commit one murder in your life blah blah).

But assuming they're willing to kill, you don't even need to be able to kill vectors. Remember what happened with Kohaku in Hisui's Good End? Shiki was able to kill the poison within Kohaku's body without actually cutting her flesh. Bypassing Accelerator's AIM Field should be even simpler than that.
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>>123245163
>Implying he would be able to get near accelerator.
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>>123245114
i thought fiamma's gabe was stronger than misha gabe, and fiamma gave only fought two above saint people, kazakiri and accel who did little to nothing.
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>>123245435
Easily. Tohno's the progeny of the greatest clan of assassins in modern human history. Getting the jump on Accelerator with his skills should be easy.

He's not like Ryougi who likes to attack things from the front. That's not how an assassin works. When dealing with an assassin, you shouldn't be worrying about direct confrontations, but ambushes from unexpected places.
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>>123241932
Void Shiki can theoretically do anything it wants. It's the root of all things. Basically the all-powerful God of everything that can and can't exist.

In epilogue, she said something about if she wanted to she could wipe out reality. But it has no reason to. I guess if it got too involved in the battle and wanted to win (as ridiculous as that sounds) then it would win any match.
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>>123245163
>Shiki was able to kill the poison within Kohaku's body without actually cutting her flesh while almost having a cerebrovascular accident.
Fixed.
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>>123245542
Like I said, the thing with Accelerator should be even simpler.

The problem with Kohaku and the poison was that it was inside her and had already mixed in with her system. But Accelerator's lines of death should be in full view and distinct from the lines of his vector field. It should be easy for Shiki to cut them.

After all, he killed Nrvnqsr's very existence with the same method.
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>>123245526
But like isn't this a straight fight between instead of an ambush?
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>>123245538
She can only fight defensively against Servants.
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>>123233671
Depends on Accelerator's luck stat. Considering what happens to him I would say it's pretty low and he would probably lose.
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>>123245710
Being restricted by the body that it inhabits, yeah of course. But she can just win by default by killing reality.
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>>123245666
Considering his "field" works in a quantum level it should be pretty hard to see
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>>123245703
That means nothing. Eve if it's a straight fight, Shiki has methods of losing his opponent's sight. If he's in a disadvantageous location, then he'll just move to a better one.

Accelerator's fast thanks to his ability, but his actual senses shouldn't be much further above the average human's. Shiki's skilled enough to avoid vampires and oni hybrids, so there's no way Accelerator can keep up with him with his senses alone. All Shiki needs is one opportunity. Just one chance to slip out of Accelerator's line of sight.
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>>123245790
>Getting a loli
>Low luck
Then why don't I have a loli? Checkmate.
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>>123245813
Nasu didn't say "Ryougi 3 can only fight defensively but she can still win anyway". He said "Ryougi 3 can only fight defensively". That's it. There aren't enough lines to read in-between. What he said was simple and easy to understand.
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>>123245859
Accelerator's reactions are actually fairly fast.

Hell, the guy was able to cut into the fight between Kazakiri and Gabriel after all.
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>>123245790
In raildex being unlucky is the greatest luck of them all
Also he has a loli, he is obviously luckier than Lancer
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>>123245917
Nasu says a lot of retarded shit.
Use a bit of logic. Void Shiki is bound by the human bodies limitations which it inhabits.

So obviously it can't be fighting at a Servants level of strength or speed as the body just isn't made for that. But as it said in Epilogue and what's implied considering the nature of it's being, it can win any battle with some OP trick like that.
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>>123245963
He has nothing on Shiki. If Shiki wanted to disappear, there's not a goddamn thing Accelerator can do about it. That's the difference between an amateur who pretends to be a professional and a born-professional who pretends to be an amateur.
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>>123245666
>>123245666
>But Accelerator's lines of death should be in full view and distinct from the lines of his vector field.
For some reason I assumed you were talking about his AIM field. Why would Accelerator walk without his vector bullshit protecting him?
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>>123246084
Shiki is only the second-most powerful character aside from Servants.

Arcueid is higher on the list.

Void Ryougi was pulling shit out of her ass. She can't even kill God.
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OP did you forget that lancer never wins anything?
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>>123246113
It doesn't matter if he has it up or not. As long as Shiki can see your line of death, he can cut it. There should be nothing obstructing Shiki's views of Accelerator's lines. His vector field shouldn't provide any sort of conceptual defense.
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>>123246108
Eh, Accelerator isn't exactly an amateur, people try and ambush him all the time.

And hell, the guy doesn't just control vectors but perceives them. He can literally track sound waves and radiation as they travel. Sneaking up on him is hard.
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Couldn't black winged accel kill shiki instantly?
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>>123246221
He still has to touch it (though not cut it, if I remember right).

>>123246163
Yeah, but Arc has "I Win" crap, sorta the same as Fiamma, characters like that are bullshit.
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>>123246084
>So obviously it can't be fighting at a Servants level of strength or speed as the body just isn't made for that
Not related but why people always say normalfags can't fight servants? we have seen several humans fighting against servants and wining, or at least surviving, in all the fate series
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>>123246257
Anon, Shiki is in a completely different league from anyone Accelerator's ever faced. Nanaya are crazy. There's a reason the Nanaya were at the top of the Oni Hunter clans.

It doesn't matter what kind of powers Accelerator has. He doesn't have the training to follow an assassin of Shiki's caliber.
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>>123246221
>he can cut it
As long as his knife is able to reach Accelerator's body.
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>>123246163
Nigga how da fuck are servants more powerful than the very thing that created them and the entire multiverse?

Void IS 'God', for all intents and purposes.

>>123246312
I don't think any of those servants are at full power when fighting humans. Just look at Caster's husbando and Saber. Saber wasn't at her prime and the husbando had some charm shit from Caster to make him stronger, iirc.
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