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I've never watched Bake or any of it's sequels, but

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I've never watched Bake or any of it's sequels, but I think Snake looks mega-cute judging by the images of her that gets posted. Why do people think she is a shit? What's so bad about her?

Just making sure I'm not in for a disappointed. I'm probably going to start watching the series right now. I've already downloaded Bake, Nise, Hana, etc.
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watch the show and see
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>>121968462
Snake is my favorite girl, so idk just watch. Even if you don't like her in the end, you are getting a bunch of other girls which make the show worth to watch.
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Some niggers just don't understand the pure love of a yandere.

Tsunderes will tsun for anyone, kuuderes and genki girls are molestation bait for every salary man on any train or group of delinquents (yeah that's right, she'll end up following them back to a love motel the next time they spot her alone).
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We actually all love her, she's reminds us of ourselves.
And so we insult her because we hate ourselves and because she likes being insulted.
We're just being Tsundere to her like we are to eachother.

There, I ruined the magic, next do you want me to explain Boku no Pico and why we are all little girls?
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She's best girl, don't let them fool you.
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>>121968522
So wait, all the time you've all been calling her shit you've actually been doing so out of love?
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I've only seen Bake, but from what I saw she doesn't really have much of a personality or anything. She's just there.
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Just watch it before you get spoiled.

Try to watch pass the snail arc as it causes a lot of people to drop it cause of how boning it is.

Also I don't hate snake I just find every other character better I will admit she was fun while she was a god.
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>>121968502
>idk
Faggots like this like worst girl, so hopefully you will see the light soon enough.

If you like snake, I hope you grow tumors on your brain and get hit by a truck the same day.
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She is basically 3DPD incarnate. All of the irrational bullshit you hate in women crammed into a cute package.

This culminates in her trying to murder the MC for getting a girlfriend, even though she had no intention to pursue him romantically.
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I only started watching the monogatari series because of snake, starting with episode 10 of bakemonogatari then finished with otorimonogatari. I liked what I saw then rewatched the whole series completely.
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>>121968545
Why else would I have a nendo of her pathetic ugly face in front of me right now?
You're a fucking retard and I hate you. I love you
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>>121968511
She's not yandere, she doesn't love him.
She's just fixated on him because she's autistic as fuck.
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>>121968577
I want to murder /a/nons who get a girlfriend, and I'm not planning any meet ups.
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I don't really think any of the characters from monogatari are shit, she's just my least favorite tied with the phoenix.
Her design is mediocre I would say, but there are interesting parts to her character.
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>>121968648
She does love him, just as a husbando.
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She's a deliberately shit character. She was written to be cute but completely useless in every other regard. So shit that she gets tricked into becoming a god.
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NADEKO
POSTS
ON
/a/
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>>121968462
>Hanazawa

And that's just the tip of the shit iceberg.
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>>121968568
If I gave a fuck about getting spoilered I wouldn't be making this thread. I'm just trying to make sure I'm not horribly mistaken about muh future waifu.
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>>121968698
She really doesn't.
I know autism is a buzzword but it's really what it is. He was nice to her as a kid and she got a little girl crush on him, and then he disappeared from her life. They reunite and the first thing he does is help her again and that crush comes right back, but it wasn't real affection this time, it was just a refusal to accept that things could change.
Circumstances changed, they had both grown up, the relationship wasn't the same as it was when they were children and the largest issue was his girlfriend and the other women that had gathered around him. She literally started to go crazy because they grew up, that's it. The whole thing was just a big "No! Things aren't allowed to change!" autism fit.
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It's literally acknowledged in the light novels that the only redeeming feature about Nadeko is her cuteness. Everything else about her is frankly hopeless.
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>>121968813
She is actually insane and delusional, to the detriment of herself and others.
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>>121968885
>he wouldn't put his dick in crazy
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>>121968813
You are. Watch the series already, but don't dare to get attached until after you've finished Second Season.
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>>121968813
>waifu
>not daughteru
Come on man...
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>>121968859
My waifu was never nice to me as a kid and I still love her.
I totally agree she's autistic and it isn't normal love, but don't insult blind in-her-head love based on severe emotional problems.
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>>121968813
>14 year old
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>>121968911
The only thing she could ever be for me is a selfu.
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>>121968954
That's the age of consent in my country. You jelly?
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>>121968698
>She does love him, just as a husbando.
Even as a Husbando she should have noticed that he has a girlfriend. The fact is she know NOTHING about him, and Araragi doesn't even see her as a friend as they hardly ever meet. This isn't like Araragi is being dense and not see that she is interested in him or anything, Snake is just some girl who is his sister's friend and that's it. If Snake "loves" him, she would have tried to really see him when possible. She doesn't.
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>>121968990
Enjoy your mentally unstable old hag.
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>>121968859
That's not what happened at all, she tried to kill him because having a love that can never be is better than feeling like shit every time araragi gets a new girlfriend.
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>>121969041
>should have noticed that he has a girlfriend
His sisters didn't until he told them, you would have to stalk him to find this out.
And eventually she did notice Hitagi and commented that she stood out, but as she's fucking nuts was probably just deluding herself to ignore the obvious.
>Araragi doesn't even see her as a friend
What? Yes he does. Not as much as someone like Monkey but they are still friends. They even went to the pool together in one of the short stories.
>she would have tried to really see him when possible
This is a fair point. But she's fine with having her love be in her head, she doesn't want to act on it, she's fine with having her cake and not even trying a bite.
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>>121968462
She's slutty like Sakura from fsn. Also >>121968807
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>>121968462
>why do people call this pile of shit a pile of shit?!?!?! i just dont understand??
How fucking stupid are you, OP?
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The problem is there's no way her tiny pink buthole could take a cock, length arguments aside the head would just be too large.
Baring some kind of.snake based leg unhinging anyway.
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I would hatefuck Snake all day, but that's it.
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>>121968462
what is this anime ?
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>>121969488
Boku no pico
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>>121968462
Because she starts out cute as fuck, then abruptly gets derailed into a yandere because the author was pissed she was far more popular than the generic tsundere. Those tsunderefags as well as the edgelord batfags jumped all over the opportunity to shit on her, even though it's the author who's shit for turning her into that and not her.
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>>121968462
Anons are mad because she doesn't want to rotate on the shit protagonist's dick as much as much as the other characters all do.
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>>121968522
But I don't accept the shitty parts of myself anon. I actually want to change.
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>>121969555
I'm pretty sure she want's more than half the cast.
She just has a very delusional view on the person who the dick belongs to.
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>>121969554

>Crab
>generic tsundere

You know that's not true. She's actually a kuudere that ironically calls herself a tsundere.
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>>121968522
That's just you, anon. Snake a shit. She's only good for rape and ryona doujins.
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>>121969717
>snake ryona doujins
you wouldn't happen to have any examples would you?
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>>121968705
>gets tricked
Tricks herself into
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Only thing snake has going for her is her cute looks and voice.
She is shit otherwise.
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>people expecting the personality of a Snake to not be extremely bitter and vicious

Why are you niggers so autistic? You should know what you are getting yourself into. She is a fucking reptile. She's only acting true to her nature.
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>>121970820
Well I mean it's not like cat is a disinterested and asocial loner.
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>>121968570
Are you fckn stupid? No one is worst girl in monogatari. And I'll leave out your childish insults.
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>>121971568
>fckn
>tumblr image
Stay in your shithole
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She's the best girl, OP. If you've been here long enough, you should know /a/ has shit taste in general. Just watch it and enjoy her cuteness.
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>Monogatari
>worst girl

There isn't one.
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>>121970820

I liked angry, shit-talking Nadeko. If she'd stayed like that she would even go on a best girl list.
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>>121968462
Snail arc was the most entertaining, crab was shit and cat was mediocre.
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>>121968522
So, why are we all little girls?
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>>121971654
besides cat, of course
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Leave Snake alone, you're driving her to drink. ;_;
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>>121968648
>She's not yandere
ohohohoohohoho
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>>121971716
Just to suffer?
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>>121971568
>nobody is worst
That's literally impossible. Someone has to be the worst, and it's undoubtedly snake.
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>>121971730
C'mon, anon-kun. You know you love to hate her.
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>>121968522
I could only wish I was a cute loli voiced by HanaKana. I would spend all day masturbating and post lewd vocaroo on /a/.
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>>121971776
It is possible, it's like rock paper scissors
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>>121971716
Why wouldn't we be?
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>>121971776
Snake is just an immature fixation with magic making it dangerous. Cat is the one who victimizes herself because she gets off on being pitied and has emotional fits when she has to confront who she is and how she acts.

Snake would be an adoring pillow that would eventually mature a bit, get bored and move on. Cat would be an emotional, self-hating, passive-aggressive train wreck of a pillow.

But if you can't appreciate all girls in Monogatari for their depth of character, you're just a dumbass.
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>>121971914
Jesus christ that gif hurts my heart. I don't remember that scene, was it from Neko?
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>>121971837
Does that mean you can't even decide on a best? It's not my fault you have no taste.
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>>121969554
Please don't insult the tsunderes Crab is a kuudere
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Snake is fucking shit go fuck yourself OP just die
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>>121971941
I don't exactly remember. I think it was the scene where Cat comes to terms with Arararagi not loving her.
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>>121971955
You are really dumb, aren't you?
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Moshi moshi~. Best girl desu~.
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>>121971914
>mixing up can and snake

Are you retarded? Snake is the only one plying the victim. Cat has actual serious issues she has to deal with. She doesn't deal with them very well but snake has no reason at all to act out and is still a little bitch. All of snake's problems are her own fault but all she does is play the victim and blame others.
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The main difference between Snake and other girls is that she's not a beta bitch who enjoys being cucked.
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>>121969554
"Cute as fuck" is a funny way to spell "delusional slut unable to handle her blossoming feelings of craving the D."
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>>121969554
>implying Niso didn't plan out his character arcs from the start.

Sasuga niso, master troll
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>>121972098
>goes batshit insane from not being able to get the D
>not beta
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>>121972192
She could get the D from anyone of the constant guys asking her out, she just wants Araragis D and goes crazy not being able to get it while Crab does.

She has some pretty crazy tunnel vision.
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>>121972098
Being a semen-craving dick demon isn't exactly the greatest alternative to being a dick-thirsty beta.
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>>121968462
she is insecure nutjob bloodthirsty man-eating scum. Her only difference from the worst of them is that her pussy is loyal to but one dick...for now.
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>>121972082
Snake is just immature. You can't fault a young adolescent girl who probably just started menstruating for being moody.

Cat, on the other hand, is intelligent and demonstrates a large capacity for self-control, yet uses these traits to tease and manipulate others. The scene in Crab's apartment in Second Season shows you how she doesn't even know who she is anymore when she starts trying to change.
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>>121972261
They are both shit
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The reason snake is such shit is because of all the losers, she tries the hardest to go after Araragi's cock despite the.fact that he's taken. Hence why her relationship with crab is so bad.

She's also the only heroine who isn't friends with a single other girl in the show.

So basically she's an envious bitch that ends up becoming a god and causing way more trouble than she ever needed to.
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>>121972325
>She's also the only heroine who isn't friends with a single other girl in the show.

But she's friends with Karen.
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>>121968462
All the /a/nons are just frustrated, because no cute girl like nadeko would even notice them. She is being used to relieve stress.
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>>121972325
Sounds like she is the most human of them all
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>>121972349
Most likely because the friendship allows her to come over to her house and call Arararagi Koyomi-onii-chan.
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>>121972369
Except the human thing would be to try and make relationships. If she were human she would try to be friends with people. Instead she just latches on to Koyomi as an excuse and causes trouble.

But in a character driven narrative she's exactly the type of person they need, so Nadeko's a good.
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>>121971941
>>121972043
Wasn't it the end of Bake when BlackHanakawa was explaining how Hanakawa felt when Crab and Rararagi started dating?
Oh good I have another excuse to rewatch this.
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She's my third favorite behind Shinobu (1) and Senjougahara (2) so I absolutely like her. Sengoku's development was interesting.

The idea of a character trapped and conditioned by others w/o being able to express her true self was a nice alternative for a character that lacked development in previous seasons.

She and of course Kaiki owned Monogatari Series: Second Season.

I hope she will appear one last time in the next seasons.
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>>121972429
If you watch closely, you can see the exact moment her heart breaks.
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>>121972261
>complete break form reality
>fabricates a lie that she herself believes in order to explain her actions because she can't face the truth
>can't stand the thought of a person she doesn't even really love being in a relationship because then she might have to start taking her relationships with other people seriously
>plans to murder multiple people, some completely innocent, over a crush

>moody

On top of that
>asocial with no friends, avoid social interaction at all costs
>lacks empathy and remorse for any of her actions
>disinhibited and bold behaviour in her attempt to get Araragi's attention
She's a textbook psychopath

And cat actually does try to change, why you're even trying to spin that as bad is a fucking mystery.

Snake has no desire to change, she's happy being a shit forever. The only reason there was even a break in otori is because she couldn't hid behind her cute persona and she had no idea who else to not give a shit about anything and get away with it.
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>>121972349
You mean Tsukihi, Nadeko only knows Karen through her.
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>>121972325
>she tries the hardest to go after Araragi's cock
She strips for him to get off, but she never actually tries to win the harem.
>She's also the only heroine who isn't friends with a single other girl in the show.
She's great friends with Tsukihi, was so before she even met Araragi. Also Snail wasn't friends with anyone (for obvious reasons), and neither was Doll unless you count her master.

>>121972349
Wrong sister.

>>121972391
Tsukihi helps with Nadekos manga after she stops talking to Koyomi completely.
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>>121972511
>she never actually tries to win the harem.
Considering how she went praying every day at the snake shrine in order to win him over crab when she found out they were dating and then completely snapped in order to convince herself that she wasn't lying to Araragi while trying to bring back the snake god I would say that's not exactly true.
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>>121972511
>she never actually tries to win the harem

That's because she's so batshit insane and hormonal that she thinks she's already won by virtue of fate.
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>>121972456
What if I have a thing for psycho women?
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>>121972613

Think about how much Nadeko tries to talk to him. Think about Koyomi and Nadeko's conversations and think about Koyomi's conversations with the rest of the girls.

She want's Araragi but makes no effort to establish an emotional connection. That's not trying to win.
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>>121972730
Then you have shit taste, but there's nothing you can do about that.
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>>121972736
Just because she has no idea how to play does not mean she's not trying to win.
She just has no idea how relationships work because she's a sociopath.
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>>121972801

You're right. That makes a lot of sense.
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people forgetting her age...
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>>121972891
14 is consent age in Japan.
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>>121972891
a valuable argument on /a/, to be sure
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>she's a remorseless psychopath
>but she's only 14!
sasuga snakefags
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You need to cut middle schoolers some slack.
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>>121972934
And? It just says you can legally fuck, still she has the mind of a kid.
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>>121973096
Yes, and?
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>>121973021
If you cut out all the supernatural shit, she was just a 14-year-old girl throwing a temper tantrum when she realized her fantasy wasn't going to come true.
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>>121973096
Your brain doesn't reach full maturity till 25.
they are all breedable children.
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>>121973161
And then went on to create manga.
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>>121973161
More like when she realized reality is fucking shit, but then Kaiki played her dad and saved her from ending up where we are right now.
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>>121973161
Pardon me, but wasn't entire point that she did not want it to come true or if it was her fantasy at all?
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>>121973114
Stay classy, /a/.
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>>121973161
>>121973161
Her temper tantrum was willingly planing to murder a bunch of people. Just because she was only able to do it because of supernatural shit does not excuse it.
She's the equivalent of the deranged kid who goes and shoots up the school.
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>>121973114
you can't expect that children and teenager act wise and can handle their new hormones
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Snake was a victim of circumstance.
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>>121973356
That she herself orchestrated.
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>>121973418
She can't control the way her parents and teachers treated her.
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>>121973427
She could control the way she acted towards them.
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>>121973418
the fact she is but a victim/culprit all rolled in one includes no logical error.
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>>121973262
Well, if we're gonna be completely honest, Snake is probably autistic (hiding her manga, having little to no friends, ignoring the emotions of others, exhibiting obsessive behavior and consummate fantasizing). The Twister scene might have seemed like mindless fanservice, but it actually painted a pretty poignant picture: Snake was flopping around and rubbing up on like a whore on MDMA while Arararagi was like "The fuck is this bitch doing?" with occasional boners because a cute girl was crawling all over him. Snake had never tried to form any sort of real emotional bond with Arararagi, so she didn't understand that her behavior was out of a lewd left field.

>>121973273
>She's the equivalent of the deranged kid who goes and shoots up the school.

You've never known many teenage girls, have you? They want to kill someone or want someone to die pretty much every five minutes.
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>>121972891
if there are grass on her field, it's old enough to roll balls on it
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>>121973481
The same way she could control her period and mood swings if he just tried really hard?

Monogatari doesn't sugarcoat your waifus for you, you get the whole erringly human package. Each girl is broken in her own way.
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>>121973559
This analogy is weird in many ways. They grow special grass for ball-rolling fields right?
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>>121973602
I don't understand. So she's a shit because of nurture not nature? What does it matter? Everyone is a product of their genes and environment. Does that mean nobody is responsible for anything?

Snake is broken and doesn't even try to fix it, which is why she's the worst. All the other girls realize what they are fucking up and work to fix it. Snake realizes it and says "Oh well, i'll just love myself no matter what instead of trying to fix my problems."
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>>121973626
I was thinking balls would roll better with no grass, but then it occurred to me that if dirt were wet it would be mud and wet grass would work better.

You make me feel funny, /a/.
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>>121973752

BECAUSE SHE'S A SNAKE.

S N A K E
S
N
A
K
E

POISONOUS VICIOUS CREATURE.
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>>121973559
If there's grass on the field play ball
If there isn't grass on the field
play in the mud
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>>121973773
You just have to not get the field wet.
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>>121973752
>Snake is broken and doesn't even try to fix it

You're idealizing a young girl. As someone said, she has the mind of a kid. Kids don't fix things, that pitch fits until someone sympathizes. The scene with Kaiki at the temple was so powerful because he was forcing her to face shit like an adult instead of keeping it bottled up and redirecting.
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>>121973488
>Snake is probably autistic (hiding her manga, having little to no friends, ignoring the emotions of others, exhibiting obsessive behavior and consummate fantasizing).

I came into this thread just to tell you that you're an idiot. Being a shy, insecure, horny teenager is not a mental illness.
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>>121973996
She gets asked out by other boys, but turns them down due to an extreme fixation. She's not horny, she has an Arararagi fetish.
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>>121974128
She just wants anybody unobtainable, and Ararargi was this person.
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>>121973884
>standing on the symbolic representation of her own vagina
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>>121973898
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>>121974220

Does that mean she lost her virginity to Kaiki?
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>>121974307
I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
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>>121973898
How am I idealizing her? Is expecting her to do something about her flaws, which she sees asking too much? How old do you have to be before you take some fucking responsibility for yourself? This is the kind of pampering that got her into this position in the first place.
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>>121974326
If that would be that easy, millions of people didn't have to suffer from depression or commit suicide.
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>>121974307
The symbolism is clear.
Kaiki was waist deep in her epithelial cells.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratified_squamous_epithelium
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>>121974378
So once again you advocate that nobody is responsible for everything. Everything is just brain chemistry and all your actions are predetermined?
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>>121974326
>Is expecting her to do something about her flaws, which she sees asking too much?

Yes. You don't wake up one day being a responsible and mature person. It takes growth and guidance, which is what Kaiki provided her with.
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I really like this thread and I love the 53 people in it.
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>>121974416
>all your actions are predetermined?
this of course not

still it won't be easy to chance and in nadekos case she got raised like that
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>>121974387
it seems to be the weirdest non-symbolic symbolism I ever encountered
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>>121974307
>By twisting the lock open with a 10 yen coin

Reminder that he was also talking about his dick when he said that.
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>>121974520
The problem is that you don't even really see her do that after Koi. She doesn't really admit all he people she hurt and how what she was doing was wrong.
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>>121974571
>non-symbolic

Monogatari's anime is drenched in symbolism. There's a reason Shaft is one of the anime studios other than Ghibli that was in the running for an Oscar nomination for Best Animated Feature for the third Madoka movie.
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>>121973884
This episode had the worst animation.
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>>121974604
>Single 10 yen coin opens the lock
>10 000 yen per visit

Kaiki has a lot of stamina.
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>>121974715
>Shaft
>animation

I've got some bad news for you, anon-kun...
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>>121974715
Straight up this.

It was painful to watch. I'm honestly surprised they didn't just Nadeko Snake this and have the [Sorry frames are missing] slides in there.
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>>121974691
One /a/non spoiled that she will work on her mangas so she seems to chance
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>>121974772
The whole Koi arc had the worst animation of the season, perhaps the entire series broadcast Bake aside.
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>>121974813
The thing was, the rest of S2 was actually alright in comparison. Koi just super dropped the ball.
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>>121974801
Well I'm just going by what's shown in the anime.
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>>121974965
Yeah, same. I don't even know if that's true or not. Just mentioned it thou
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>>121974691
Not to imply that she was right, but she only actually hurt Koyomi and Shinobu (and Kaiki I guess but that was only after he lied to her and broke into her house).
And she still grew up, she openly worked on her manga with Tsukihi and stopped obsessing over Koyomi.

>>121974965
>you don't even really see her do that after Koi
Well then obviously since the anime doesn't show her past Koi.
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>>121974801
>mangas
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>>121975129
I wasn't gonna say anything, but yeah, mangas?
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>>121975048
Well I mean there was also her parents, crab and cat who were aware of all this and worked to stop it and maybe Tsukihi.
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>>121975181
>>121975129
not native speaker, where is the problem with the "s"? still don't get it
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>>121975235
They are just autistic anon, they don't like english pluralization of non-english words.

You can just ignore them.
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>>121974307
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>>121975235
Manga is already plural. Just how like sheep is already plural and singular. Nobody says look at all of these sheeps.
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>>121975276
Thanks man, you're nice.
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>>121975330
>Being led astray by newfags
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>>121975235
"Manga" is a loanword. Its literal translation is already plural. It technically doesn't have a singular form.
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>>121975317
We germans say "Animes" and "Mangas" it is defined like this in the dictonary, hard to leave it out.
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>>121975381
I didn't know Germans invented the English language.
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>>121975438
are you stupid? I'm telling you that in GERMAN language we use the "s" and that it is like a habit. So when I write in english I still use the "s" because of this.
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>>121975381
Well, learn how to drop the s, because this is an English language imageboard and this particular section is devoted to anime and manga. I dare you to find any part of the internet more finicky and autistic about foreign linguistics.
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>>121975506
Not my fault you can't differentiate between English and German when typing.
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>>121975541
Why are you being such a dick to our germanbro
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>>121975541
>I didn't know Germans invented the English language.
but your fault for misinterpreting my sentence
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Get back on topic, bakas. We were talking about best girl.
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>>121973356
No, damnit. This is something very clearly stated by crab, which openly says to her at some point that even under different circumstances than her becoming snake god and trying to kill her, she would have hated her.

She's the closest thing there is to a psychotic 3DPD, yet somehow people here try to defend her acting like that.
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>>121975691
Who?
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>>121975643
Fun Fact: Every girl outside of his family tree but Crab has tried to kill or been aligned with someone trying to kill Arararagi.
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>>121975706
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Araragi is basically the perfect self-insert.
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>>121975764
>has TRIED to kill

Get that weaksauce shit out of here, son.
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Are we going to sit here and act like Monkey and Snake aren't the same on an emotional level? They both tried to kill Arararagi out of hate and can't convey their feelings.
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>>121975764
None has tried, as far as I know, to kill crab because he loved her.
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>>121975764
What about Mayoi? She hasn't tried to kill him or be aligned with anyone trying to kill him.
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>>121975795
Not even.
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>>121975691
>Snail: Healthy C-cup handfuls in adult form
>Bat: DDs SLAPPING YOUR GODDAMN FACE

Why did best girl die before the series began? ;_;
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>>121975865
He's exactly like me if I didn't have powers.
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>>121975764
Snake apologists please go
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>>121975808
They're not. Kanbaru takes responsibility for her actions and continues to take it over the course of the entire series.

She heavily regrets her actions and if it wasn't for Araragi's whiteknighting, she would have chopped off her arm.

It's a pretty big part of her fucking character about how much she actually takes responsibility for her actions and the people she's harmed.
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>>121971596
>getting baited this fucking hard and biting like a retard
Kill yourself.

>>121975888
That's pretty sad. I feel sorry for you. Do you at least have some hot sisters?
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>>121975844
Ehehehehe. My bad, I forgot Snail is perfection embodied in ghost form.
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Ougi is like the author or maybe producer of the story, she wants everything to go according to script and be proper, she even talks about the "setting" and can change the script to be a boy (not to suddenly become a boy, but to have always been a boy).
Teori was becoming aware of the story, he was questioning what he was doing there and why he was going against Araragi, saying he couldn't possibly find the answer, but he knew he was the perfect person to be casted in that position.
Gaen is aware of the script, knowing everything about the story.
Snake lives like a character of the story, she considers the main character to be the only thing that matters, and seeks a good "last boss" treatment.
Kaiki doesn't believe in the story, it takes him to convince snake that she is the main character of her own life. He doesn't believe in the supernatural.
Oddities are elements of the story, (it's what the story is about after all) they can't exist without someone to read them, and they are how they are read.

tl;dr it's meta as shit
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>>121975764
Yeah but he has it coming to him.
How about snake trying to kill everyone else?
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>>121975878

Teenage Bat doesn't have cowtits though.

Her jump to adult form was pretty weird. She's already in her late teens in her teenage form, and then she grows like 10cm and gets tits the size of a watermelon when she's older.
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>>121975888
You're a depressed manlet loner?
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>>121976053
Everyone knows 12 year old Bat is the best
Kizu never
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>>121976050
>an unrequited lesbian swings him around by his intestines because she can't cope with her crush not wanting to scissor with her

Yeah, totally coming to him.
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>>121976022
WHY COULDN'T SHE AGREE TO LET ARARAGI GET LOST WITH HER FOREVER
HITAGI WOULD COME
BAT WOULD COME
HANAKAWA WANTED TO TRAVEL ANYWAY
THEY COULD EVEN FIND OSHINO
THEY ALL COULD BE A WANDERING TEAM OF GHOST HUNTERS LIVING MUSHISHI STYLE
FUCK

>>121976179
12>17>8>10>18>kisshot
15 year old form where?
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>>121976229
You know what's awesome about that scene?

For as fucked up as Araragi gets, no-one ever stops to think that Kanbaru has enough leg strength to kick through a semi-vampire.

That's Oshino shit right there.
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>>121976179
>Kizu never

I don't want anything else to live on this planet any more.
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>>121975630
Do people that like crab actually hate snake? I mean, besides there circumstances they are basically the same people.
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>>121976316
The most awesome part of that scene was that Arararagi got raped.
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>>121972456
She's a textbook kami, that's why ougi manipulated her into finding and eating the talisman.
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>>121976356
>Crab
>Snake
>Similar

No no no. I'm in no way a crabfag but damn son. That's either you straight misunderstanding the characters or simplifying it down to. "They are both girls who like Araragi."

If Nadeko was like Senjougahara, she would have had the decency to kill herself after killing Araragi but we know she wasn't going to.
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>>121976229
And Cat cut him in half, and bird tried to skewer with a crowbar/awl/knife and bee suplexed into an overpass. It's hard to find someone who didn't try to kill or main him in some way or other.

The difference is what they do after.
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>>121976179
>>121976249
I think Shinobu has gigantism. She doesn't seem to stop growing like ever.
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>>121976356
The only people who really hate snake are monkeyfags.
That's because snake is the polar oppisite of monkey.
And a shit.
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>>121976401
Raped in the Nise sense or in the "He got his shit absolutely wrecked" sense? Because I'm fine with both.
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>>121976316
I don't think a vampires body is actually tougher in this universe, just heals. Hitagi stapled his cheek and he got hurt like anyone would, and his sisters break his bones all the time.

>>121976322
>Owari eventually
I still do.

>>121976356
I'm a huge snakefag and you are wrong.

>>121976419
Oshino confirmed best.
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>>121976179

I want to see 10 years old Shinobu in Kizu-fucking-when ?!

tumblr
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>>121976459
Even if I rephrase it to "Kanbaru kicked a hole in a normal human with just her leg strength alone" that's still a nigh impossible feat for a small Japanese girl to do.

It was just one straight kick through and through.
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>>121976356
Crab and Snake are wildly different characters.
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>>121976454
Monkey offered her body to Arararagi in Bake and you can see her hand going down his pants in that snapshot. Crab and Arararagi humping is heavily implied.

For the sake of sales, they can't up and say any of the characters have boned, but it's likely Arararagi has fucked Crab and Monkey.

...at least.
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>>121976179
>>121976460
Speaking of, did I miss a scene where there were two mini-kiss-shots? or is this just shaft being shaft?
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>>121976514
Well it's not like monogatari has an over abundance of exaggeration or anything.

Which is why I like it so much.
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>>121976178
You aren't?
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>>121976597
Well him fucking crab is not implied, it stated as clearly as it can be with the narration style we get.

Him and monkey is a little more fuzzy as it's mostly played as a joke but I'm sure he got at least a handy.
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>>121976597
I doubt Araragi has seriously fucked anyone but Senjougahara.

I don't think that entire scene should be taken as anything but a joke that gets it's pay-off later in Nise when he sees Hachikuji and doesn't start the conversation with sexual harassment.
Which we all know, when you take the sexual harassment out of Araragi, all you're left with is a pitiful bug.
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>>121976708
>Well him fucking crab is not implied

Not this shit again.
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>>121976661
>Not taking everything at face value

How dare you imply everything we see in Monogatari isn't an exact 1:1 unbias account of what happened.

It's almost like you don't take things at face value. Do you even walk her home gently?
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I can't possibly understand how anyone can think Araragi did anything sexual with Monkey when he's never expressed an interest in her sexually whatsoever. Not to mention it'd be insanely out of character for Monkey to fool around with her idol and best friends boyfriend.
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>>121976754
Did you not read the rest of the sentence? Was it too long or something?
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>>121976797
Why would you even say something so retarded in the first place?
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>>121976795
Do you mean Karen didn't demolish multiple overpasses using nothing but Shurararagi's face?
I refuse to not believe.
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>>121976726
Yeah, I was kinda stretching it with the Kanbaru sex, but I wouldn't put it past Monkey to give a bishounen with nice abs a firm grope in the junk.
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>>121976796
>it'd be insanely out of character for Monkey to fool around with her idol and best friends boyfriend

Well...while I think it didn't happen, I would like to point out that she seriously tried to use her body to convince Araragi to drop Senjougahara back in Bake.
So it's not out-of-character, just like 99.9% unlikely to happen.
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>>121976818
Say what? Dare use a complex sentence?
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>>121976851
Yes but after the monkey arc it would be out of character as she came to terms with their relationship and she respects both of them.
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>>121976851
Except at that time she was actively trying to break them up. Afterwards she shows no indication of wanting to mess with their relationship at all.
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>>121976836
Obviously that was actually 1:1 true fact. There was no embellishments there, Araragi's face > Japanese Highways.

>>121976847
Kanbaru molesting him is probably within the probabilities.
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>>121976906
>>121976907

Which is my point. It's not out-of-character because she has done it before. BUT because of the events of Bake, she just straight up wouldn't do it because she respects Araragi and Senjougahara too much.
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>>121976597
Why does /a/ always assume the only lewd thing two people can do is sex?

Crab: Kiss in bake, sex in Nise, more sex in S2, anal in Owari
Monkey: Touched his dick, doubt he even came
Bee: Lewd body touching and licking, at the very most she sucked his dick
Snail: Lots of grouping and a deep kiss
Snake: She probably came several times during twister, but he never did anything.
Shinobu: Weird masturbation "sex"
Cat: Just some oppai fondling

That's everything major right?
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>>121976952
He definitely fucked Bee.
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>>121976952
Doll kissing and getting fisted by Yozuru.
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>>121976936
As evidenced by Hana, Monkey and Arararagi have formed a deeper friendship. Monkey probably knows Arararagi is a pervert, so friendly teasing by fondling his boy parts could be expected, especially given Kanbaru's erotically playful nature.
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>>121976936
I think what we're trying to say is that character is not static and something that would be in character during bake might not be in character after.
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>>121976952
You forgot Kaiki fucking Bee over.
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>>121976952
forgot phoenix bathing
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>>121976936
You're oversimplifying it by saying because Kanbaru offered sexual favors to Araragi before, it's in character for her to do it again.

What's actually the case is her offering sexual favors to break them up vs being sexual with Araragi for absolutely no reason.

They're completely different.
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>>121977026
See, I found that weird. Araragi is the only person she's perverted around. Every other person we see, she's normal with except for Karen and Numachi in which she goes into Spaghetti Overdrive.

>>121977036
That makes sense and as such, I will agree with your point.
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>>121976952
>>121976990
Bee and Araragi had schrodingers sex, we will never know what really happened after Phoenix left.
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>>121977149
Oh, I'll tell you, they fucked.
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>>121977146
Kanbaru, like her mentor Senjougahara, is a closet pervert.
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>>121976990
After the Toothbrushing?
They're kids, it was just more fooling around, you wouldn't fuck your sister right?

>>121977146
That's because Kanbaru wants to marry Karen.
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>>121977202
>They're kids, it was just more fooling around, you wouldn't fuck your sister right?
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>>121977202
>They're kids, it was just more fooling around, you wouldn't fuck your sister right?

I wouldn't, but if I was Araragi and had Bee begging for me to do something to her, I couldn't resist.
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>>121977097
Yeah man, I got myself corrected a couple of posts up.

I took it as "Because someone has done it before, it means it could happen again" but that was too simplified like you said.
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>>121977146
>Araragi is the only person she's perverted around

That's kind of how sexual relationships work. You can meet someone's mom who goes to church every Sunday and think she's completely white bread and wonder how she has children, but in the bedroom, she likes getting her face smashed into a pillow while being plowed from behind as she hears about what a filthy slut she is.

The fact that Kanbaru asks Arararagi to help her sort her porn is just more evidence that she'd get a handful of cock and balls for shits and giggles given the chance.
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>>121977149
There's a short story set after Nise when the fire sisters find out about Araragi having a girlfriend and Karen offers to have sex with Araragi if he breaks up with Senjougahara and remarks how she feels betrayed because he brushed her teeth. They almost certainly did not fuck, fondling is a high possibility though. Then again that whole scene was probably a lot less sexual in reality and it only looks as erotic as it was through Araragis perverted eyes.
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>>121977202
>you wouldn't fuck your sister right?
>implying

Don't even have a sister, but if she was like Karen I wouldn't give any shits.
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>>121977193
Kanbaru, Senjougahara and Araragi are the perverted Trinity of Monogatari.

>>121977202
Given how she treats Karen especially with that passage in one of the light novels about how she basically gets super nervous around Karen. I wouldn't be surprised.

It didn't even take that long for Kanbaru-sensei to become Suruga-san either.
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>>121977252
Been a long time since I saw someone admit to being corrected on /a/.

Good man.
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>>121971716
I'm a lizard
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>>121977326
>wanting reddit-tier apologetics

Just fuck off retard.
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>>121977302
I'm typically not a shipperfag but I want to see those two have as much screen time together as possible.

>>121977350
Does it take you 3 and a half hours to post because of your tiny lizard hands?
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>>121977326
It happens sometimes. It's just a fact of life, if you're wrong then just admit it, try to fix the mistake and move on.

There's no point arguing the point further and looking like a dick like the "Walk me home gently" guy.
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>>121977292
>runs daily marathons at 100m dash paces

You'd probably have to pick her up and turn down for what while peeling her tight little ass cheeks apart just to achieve penetration.
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>>121977422
They do share similar interests though I think Kanbaru would probably be getting dragged along with Karen's antics.

The Fire Sisters are actually loading themselves up pretty good with nice connections.

They have Hanekawa and Kanbaru on their side so far. They're doing pretty well.
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>>121977422
>Does it take you 3 and a half hours to post because of your tiny lizard hands?

It probably depends on how cold the room is.
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>>121976952
>Bee: Lewd body touching and licking, at the very most she sucked his dick
>Shinobu: Weird masturbation "sex"

Where? Especially Bee...
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>>121977691
It's like you missed the entire symbolism if him literally facefucking her with a toothbrush.
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>>121977724
Cultural differences, anon-kun. Penetrating an orifice with a foreign object is highly erotic in Asian cultures. Cleaning an ear with a Q-tip is considered a very intimate action.

He probably just brushed her teeth and it freaked her out because someone else was poking around inside her with something. Doesn't mean she sucked his dick.
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>>121977724
>muh symbolism

It's still not sex no matter what excuse you try to come up that it is.
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>>121976179
Where is middle school kiss shot?
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>>121977900
Dev hell.

Kizu never.
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>>121977691
Shinobu feels it every time he masturbates, it's like you've never read a Shinobu doujin.
Araragi loves licking bee. In the toothbrush scene she basically gave him permission to touch her breast before they were interrupted, and then they said they would continue where they left off. I doubt it went to far but something happened.
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>>121978108
So if Nisio kills Shinbo then he might able to rescue middle-school Kiss-shot from Dev Hell?
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>>121978176
If Nisio kills Shinbo then anime is over.
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>>121978426
It's fine. Shinbo can find his way back. His final death will be in 2065 when he finally releases Kizu.
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>>121974908
Maybe Shaft were busy with the Madoka movie? Tsuki showed improvement in this regard
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>>121978714
SHAFT is a strange beast. They show improvement and then revert back to being terrible and then cycle through that.
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>>121978958
Yeah, Hidamari, SZS, Monogatari and Madoka were all boss. They're about due to blow shit out of the water again.
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>>121979130
Their more recent works have been hitting pretty poorly to be honest.

Part of me wishes they'd just focus on Monogatari but then that's not financial feasible and the longer they delay Monogatari, the more money they will make.
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>>121979351
The main problem is that Monogatari had complex romantic themes to explore, which warranted Shaft's ridiculously complex artistry. Writers like Nisio and Urobuchi aren't a dime a dozen, so the studio is suffering trying to live up to its potential in a plot vacuum.
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What did Kaiki see, if anything at all?
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>>121979878
A Band-Aid.
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>>121980385
Wh-when was this!?
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>>121979878
Probably her box, it seems as if shinobu is well out of araragis harem for good.
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>>121980483
When Shinobu politely handed Hanekawa Neko's ass to her.
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>>121979878
Her vagina. But Kaiki isn't a disgusting pervert and feels nothing at the sight of a 14 year old pussy.
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>>121973213
holy shit, she's every fujoshi ever.
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>>121980727

Which was planned since Shinobu was sulking in his shadow since Araragi met Mayoi earlier that day.

Ironically, it helped Araragi and Shinobu reconcile by forcing him to ask her for help.

That sad smile she gave while being drained and Araragi figuring out it was a set up was brilliant.
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>>121976952

>Cat: Just some oppai fondling

He was so chicken about it she played a prank on him. Now he'll never get to do it. Not even in a fantasy version made of his own creation was he able to.

It was kind of amazing the very thought of never being able to grope her boobs gave him the incentive to heal his broken bones.
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>>121984324
Didn't he touch them in Kizu or did he bitch out there too? I can't remember.
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>>121984636
He couldn't do it and gave her a shoulder massage instead
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>>121971941
It didn't actually happen iirc. One of the reasons the cat scene in Second Season got to me was the buildup of emotions from Hanekawa all this time.
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>>121976754
What do you mean? He obviously walked her home gently.
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>>121968462
Being cute doesn't make her a good person. She's a selfish kid who can't get a grip on reality. In the end she changes, but she's written to be disliked. People who call her best just overlook this and think shes cute, despite being called cute and her love drove her to insanity.
If you like her the best as a character, sure, she's a good character, but as a person she's worst.
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>>121984992

Well she did literally get dumped and took on 18 years of pain, abuse, and the fact she never was, nor will ever be accepted by her "family" all at once. Most would probably cry over wasting their childhood and two decades trying to be loved and not being able to obtain it no matter what they tried.

They cut out her crying on her way home to her "parents" in the anime, which was a shame. It perfectly showed that her life wasn't suddenly rainbows because she accepted her emotions.
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>>121968462
http://www.amazon.ca/Kizumonogatari-Nishio-Ishin/dp/1941220975/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425336201&sr=8-1&keywords=kizumonogatari


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