Why did the quality of Anime go to shit in the 90s? It's

>>121541488
If you liked pretty stills yeah maybe.

>>121541488

I remember Heavyarms Gundam being the favorite of the five. Then when I saw the Heavyarms Custom version in Endless Waltz I just jizzed my pants. So MANY guns.

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>>121542648
Nothing changed at that matter.

I loved Wing's pseudo-enlightenment visual style for uniforms and architecture so fucking much. OZ looked fucking sharp.

>>121542896

>dat knife

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Why does new anime look so shit guys?

>>121542983
At the time it did honestly. A good example of this is Zeta Gundam (late 80s detailed artwork but shit animation) and Gundam F91 (early 90s, some of the artwork is not as detailed but the animation is wonderfully fluid). Sadly some time afterwards studios seemed to tend to the worst of both worlds.

>>121541488
is nobody going to point out they're both from the same show and the 80s one is part of the fucking opening animation?

>>121543097
The funny thing is that the dude who made this browses /m/ and he's embarrassed to hell and back that he actually made these. He seems to be able to take being the butt of a joke though, so good on him. Not many can handle the banter.

>>121543097
>by paul chinkscribbles Johnson
kek

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What a massive cringe thread, you weaboo

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>>121543097
It's a shame Otaking deleted all his old "LOOK AT THE ANIME SHADING!" charts, they were hilarious. It's rare to see such blind ignorance and nostalgia faggotry.

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>>121544031
Hey look, I found Otaking's favorite Gundam

>>121543097
I used to have a folder with all his charts, but I lost it.

It's simple, Japan's economic bubble popped

>>121544130

This is incredibly accurate

>>121543833
>forgot jam so a little bit shocked
Gets me every time.

The thing that always bothered me about Otakings drawings in his "ANIME SHADING IS DYING" days is that I could never tell where the light was coming from in the first place.

>>121543833
who hates toast

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>>121541488
Gotta love the 80's quality

>>121541488
>left
>episode shot
>right
>opening shot

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Why is anime such a superior medium?

>>121543097
I actually agree with this guy. but the reason why anime doesn't look very as good as it did is because there's less money to spend on animation. different times, different ways to use money.

it really makes me mad when people say the old art styles look bad because they're so used to the new ones.

>>121541488
I don't see a differnce.

>>121544480
Because the cartoons are for children stigma is less prevalent outside of the west.

>>121544491
Actually anime today doesn't use 80s OVA levels of shading because they want to focus on the animation. Most of the examples Otaking posted were from moneyshots, highly detailed stills that didn't move, or had very little movement.

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>>121541488
It recovered

00/10 > 80 > 90

>>121544480
You leave 12 oz. Mouse out of this, you piece of shit.

>>121544607
Anime is still considered for nerds and losers in Japan. But there's just a market for that niche over there. Tell anyone in Japan that you watch any anime that isn't ghibli or primetime stuff then they're going to judge you just as much as most people in the west would.

>>121544704
it's not as much for nerds as you think it is, it's just not "everyone watches it" tier. And the whole "anime has better production values because it's not targeted at children" still stands

>>121544682
>implying anything made after the 80's is good

>>121544480
This is why i dont watch cartoons.

>>121541488
It's an economic thing, right?

In the 80's japan was doing gang-busters and their economy was booming, everyone was happy as fuck and probably still having a bunch of kids too. Then the 90's went to shit, the Japs even call it "The Lost Decade" or something like that because they were hit with a terrible economic crisis that effected most of south-east Asia.

So I assume there was lots of money to be thrown around in the '80s and in the '90s everyone was depressed and poor instead.

>>121544793
>it's not as much for nerds as you think it is
You're going to have to give source for that bullshit claim.

>>121544480
Courage and Samuari jack are the shit. Get some taste.

>>121544850
why are japs so bad at having an economy

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>>121542845
There is nothing wrong with that RX-78

>>121542844
I wasn't a big fan of Trowa, but Heavyarms was the baddest motherfucker. That nigger was as American as Gundam Maxter. Damn thing could have started and finished a medium sized war before having to reload.

>>121544885
if you watched those shows at your age for the first time you'd probly think they're "just kids shows" which they are. you're only saying they're good because you watched them at the age you were supposed to watch, but in the end they're just kids shows

>>121544130
Your a retard.

They're from the same show. Same episode even.

>>121544946
He look like he want to poop.

>>121544793
>better production values
Western, child oriented shows had great fucking production values, because their ratings are so high.

>>121544683

My Nigger

>>121544966
I only watched Samurai Jack for the first time in 2009, it's a pretty good show and can be enjoyed by people older than the intended audience.

Shame we'll never see it finished though, oh well.

>>121544986
He looks like he wants to die.

>>121543097
>Paul Johnson
last time I met him on /a/ he got his anus pulverized. not even that stupid stolen "otaking" nick was still intact when we finished
good times.

>>121544992
which ones? only very old disney and MGM shows have actual production values. new cartoons have shit

>>121545034
Not like "otaking" is a good nickname to begin with. The Gainax guy who calls himself that is a shit.

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>>121542983
>OVA
>dramatic moment
>special effects
>scene-filling

As gorgeous as the still shots are, even shaft's laziest slideshows have better animation than that these days.

>>121545000
you sound like the my little pony crowd trying to justify their show

>>121544966
Courage the Cowardly Dog is still good in the way Looney Toons is still good. It took the slapstick comedy and visual gags of older Western animation and combined it with the growing surge of sentimentality in animation the 90s helped usher in (in part due to the prevalence of anime). It's kind of like watching the end of an era.

>>121544941
no it wasn't their fault, it effected the entire region. I forget what caused it but it was some international monetary high-jinks that back fired and fucked all of Asia but left the rest of the world unaffected which is why you don't hear about it too often.

My dad was a Naval Officer at the time and he loved it because it made basically everything in Japan, Singapore, and Taiwan cheap as fuck and the STRONK American dollar could basically get you whatever he wanted.

>>121545087
That was exactly the point.

>>121545136
You sound like you're insecure as fuck about what you're supposed to like.

>>121544480
I read my imouto a story from a book written by the guy who made Sheep in the Big City earlier today. It fucking sucked.

>>121544972
Ive never seen a joke go so over someones head

or maybe now Im being baited

>>121545181
I'm supposed to like stuff with an actual story development and character development. medium for kids doesn't have that because it would be to complicated for them. just look at old cartoons, they're always comedy shows with very simple humor

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>>121544480

But 4/5 of those cartoons are better than 5/5 of those anime?

>>121544480
stuff like dr katz, south park, even early simpsons convinced people that to be funny on TV and get an audience, it wasn't important to have good drawings. these type of shows are constantly appearing.
and you have to be critical of anime to some degree, that even though the art is nice, there's hardly any experimentation, while the west is the opposite. its mostly experimentation with little regard for quality.

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>>121544480
And now time for some Richard ''Forced Animation'' Williams autism.

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>>121545212
I knew this day would come.

How's your first week on 4chan?

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>>121545136
You seem a tad insecure, don't you have homework to be doing?

>>121545286
are those colors right? they seem wrong

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>cherry picked stills
>muh old anime

God how boring

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>>121543097
>Comparing ova with TV anime, ever
Get over it, new anime is better if you compare old TV anime with new TV anime and movies with movies, don't let you get over yourself just because you watched few titles selected or even made for western audience in the past, those were and are just the minority of anime as whole.

>>121545348
I'm just not a huge manchild like you. bet you love them light novel high school harems don't you? you're literally a shit eater

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>>121545418
I'll never forgive YotsubaC for ruining K-On threads for everyone. Same with Uidrew and Komeiji.

>>121545458
I'm honestly willing to bet that a good chunk of people who love shows like Samurai Jack would be the same ones who hate ecchi harem anime.

>>121544480
Not that I disagree with your attempted point of western animation, in general, being shittier than anime - but that's a poor image to make the argument with.

Only one of the "anime" examples is a television series, the rest are movies or OVAs which have significantly higher budgets and timeframes to work with.

None of the "western" examples are movies/specials.

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>>121545548
>significantly higher budgets
We can play that game too

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>Not being idort master race
You're missing out on a whole lot of quality titles by just closing yourself off to shows from the 90s/80s, or only wanting to watch anime from the year 2000 onwards.

>>121545608

With only 2 voice actors, almost no advertisement and mostly good backgrounds with a medium amount of animation, well anon you shouldn't be surprised about the difference.

>>121545705
And it still looks prettier

>>121545252
>I'm supposed to like stuff with an actual story development and character development
>not liking cute girls doing cute things
>not liking healing anime
>not liking old cartoons because they're for kids
Well, I guess that confirms my conjecture.

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>>121541488
Otaking fuck off.

>>121545615
Sorry, I don't discriminate against anime style or so called genres but MD Geist is one of worst anime titles ever made along with Mars of Destruction.

>>121545751
many of the cute girls doing cute things shows actually have a plot or character development unless it's something really bad. you're still a shit eater if you're trying to justify watching kid's shows

>>121545794
Oh man, it's like i'm back in 2009/2010.

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Yeah, look at that amazing 80s quality.

>>121541488
I think you weren't even born in the 80s.

>>121545608
Oh c'mon. The Simpsons had a WAY bigger advertising budget. That's where most of the money went to.

>>121545252
>I'm supposed to like stuff with an actual story development and character development. medium for kids doesn't have that because it would be to complicated for them.
Lots of kids shows had stuff like this. Just look at stuff from the DC Animated universe like Batman TAS or Batman Beyond. Hell even Avatar had all that stuff.

>>121545957
As well as better animation overall. 5cm per second looks pretty but the animation is pretty choppy.

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>>121541488
Cherry picking ignorance/shitposting thread!

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>>121546090
Clearly anime is better now than ever before!

>>121546025
>choppy
Not really, you can go back to /co/ now

>>121545418
>Votoms
>Cat's Eye
>Kinnikuman
>Creamy Mami
>Captain Tsubasa
>Barefoot Gen
>Unico
>Golgo 13 movie
>Urusei Yatsura movie
>Yamato movie
>Dr Slump movie
>Yamato movie
>Patalliro movie
That was a great year.

>>121546153
Sorry YotsubaC impersonator, but the tripfag himself would have agreed.

>>121546131
I want a show with this guy as protagonist. In that art style.

>>121546131
It does look a lot better than before. Remember all of the horrible looking anime that came out in early 00s when they were just starting to using CGI? You don't get QUALITY like that nowadays.

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>>121546090
>>121546131

Do any of you have trouble getting into older anime? I seem to have several problems with what I've seen so far. First of all, to me a big problem is the lack of good adult-oriented series. This doesn't even mean R-rated series, just ones aimed at adults (like Mushishi is seinen but is rated 13+). The are very few series like this, so it's mainly OVAs and films, which are incredibly gory and edgy most of the time, I mean stuff like genocyber, cyber city Oedo, wicked city were just a drag to watch when you compare them to newer stuff. There are some more adult oriented series like captain harlock or fist of the north star, but those are rather cheesy and really uneven. I must admit, some mecha series stand out here, but you usually have to wait for half the series to pass so it abandons the quirky humor and characterization (gundam, patlabor).

The children series are a whole different matter, I remember I watched many of them on public tv like cities of gold, treasure island, moomins and so on. But when I watched other stuff which didn't hold nostalgic value to me it usually turned out to be rather mediocre.

Overall there are a few things worth note, I mean ghibli movies (Nausicaa especially), Patlabor movies, a few Gundam series, Votoms or Logh. But I can easily understand that people can find more stuff to enjoy from the first half o the 00s and on wards.

tl;dr version: Post 2000 anime is better than pre 2000 anime.

>>121546297
Pretty much.

>>121544972
>every fucking time

>>121546251
I really hated the colouring in early 2000s anime. They just switched over from cels and started to colour with computers, but it just seemed really bland and flat.

>>121546131
I love Maou-sama so much. The best kind of bait.

>>121546297
>this copypasta again

>>121546153
that's exactly what it was though

>>121546297
Your post reeks /v/ermin casualfag

>>121546297
There may be some quality differences.

But you may also be suffering from perception bias.

You simply know fewer pre-2000 shows, and those you know are what was mostly popularized in the west as kid's shows. And with post-2000 shows you're ignoring all the shit that airs each season because with torrents and season preview charts we have a very easy time to pick up everything that remotely matches our interests and ignore the rest.

>>121545732
Budget doesn't only go to animation.

Simpsons wasn't trying to look pretty obviously.

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>>121546520
Samefagging does not makes it true

>>121546288
>muh stills

>>121545339
At least he had the foresight to see it may have been a ruse of some kind.

>>121545286
The best part is the lack of shading. The West loses again!

OP is plainly trolling

>>121544031
It's sad because while he's such a shithead about anime art itself, he actually knows a thing or two about the history of the western fandom, and nobody takes it seriously.

>>121546725
He's not a shithead anymore though, he wises up and jokes about how retarded he was with all those "ANIME SHADING!" charts.

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>>121544972
and here we can see someone with no sense of humor killing themselves slowly

>>121544480
>comparing tv shows to movies
Anon, that's filthy.

>>121546776
Oh, that's good.

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>>121544966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AXseEnXtsc

>>121543097
Can anyone let me know what the first show under "the old" is called?

>>121547077
crop + upload to imgur + google image search

>>121541488
The same reason why Japan's economy went to shit in the 90s and never recovered since.....

>>121545055
Most western cartoons have big budgets, but they don't expend it only in animation, voices and marketing take a big part of the budget too, specially popular cartoons like adventure time, regular show, gravity falls etc.
Also cartoons looks worse because they sacrifice detail over fluidity, tv anime most of the time are composed of still scenes of characters talking, in cartoons characters never stop moving and making gestures.

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>>121547112
>upload to imgur
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>>121545463
Y'know, I've been wondering this for a little while now; I remember Komeiji from quite some time ago as an obnoxious tripfag, but I took a break from 4chan somewhere around 2010 and came back a couple years later to see the pizza-faced bastard is on a fucking banner now. Did something in particular happen or was he just a notoriously autistic waifufag?

>>121547254
Oh shit, I didn't know saucenao could do that.

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>>121544480
i fuckin wish ergo proxy was that emo chick and the gay robot goin around solving mysteries and shit. still liked it but it was a little disappointing being different from what i expected

>>121547254
Don't use shitty memes like that here.

>>121547112
Didn't feel like cropping on this slow ass laptop.

>>121547254
Thanks bud, now I have something to watch tonight. Anyone have a chart for 80s ovas they could drop so I can mass torrent them?

>>121547281
Notoriously autistic tripfag and waifufag. Got personally offended if someone said that Azusa wasn't the best K-On and always swooped into threads to defend K-On or Moé. This of course lead to people baiting him and he took it every single time, it got to the point where many people who hated K-On would often just shittalk it in a K-On thread just so he'd show up and ruin the thread for everyone.

2010 was a shit year for /a/ in general with all the accel spam.

Cherrypicking: the thread

>>121547159
It's not really a fair fight to pit anime up against Disney

>>121547159
>inb4 forced animation

>>121547312
>>121547379
You only need to click "Your Image" on saucenao and it will take you to the cropping page

>>121547362
>imgur

>>121547699
There is literally nothing wrong with imgur.

>>121547699
The fact that one person uses imgur doesn't make this reddit shit okay to post here.

>>121547576
Considering that Howl's Moving Castle is used in >>121544480 , I'm assuming everything is fair game right now.

>>121547159
damn

>>121547402
That's_the_joke.jpg

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>>121547393
Guess I picked a good time to duck out then, thanks for the explanation. I do remember the spammer though, at first he was shitposting jumbled up letters then moved on to random non-sequiturs, I think. Dark times those were.
About when did Komeiji stop posting? Did he get bullied too hard?

>>121547393
Can't believe it's been 5 years since accelspam. Time spent really meshes into one experience here.

>>121547281
>pussy pads
>for fluffy vulva
Sluts will stop at nothing.

>>121548147
I wish I could tell ya for certain, I had to duck out of /a/ for a while myself. But I assume that he finally had enough and left. K-Ons thread quality has increased 2000% ever since he departed.

>>121548216
I remember when he got betrayed by the guy who maintained his spam program, it was just like my japanese NTR doujins. Also his overly defensive nature that came up when someone called him autistic was hilarious.

>>121548239
it's puffy. fluffy vulva sounds more like something you would find on a catgirl

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>giving a shit about what year things came out and 'shading' rather than wanting to look for quality stuff

The only 'heavy shading' was only in OVAs, which could construct their budgets better. Other than that, most things looked like pic related, kind of flat.

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>>121548239
Damn right they won't. I have never seen a girl with such an unquenchable thirst for cock as Slutzusa. That kitty sure loves her milk.

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>>121548147
See https://archive.moe/a/thread/77487912
He then stayed on MAL for some time before returning to post randomly on /a/ while switching waifus every few months

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>>121548364
Did you seriously just say that?

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>>121543097

Interestingly, Japanese traditionally used flat color almost exclusively - so even if this was accurate (it isn't) it would represent an acquiescence to Western artistic sensibilities, not the other way around

>>121546153

It's true. The "animation" part of anime is not its strong suit. It uses less frames - that's part of why its so much cheaper to produce.

>>121548727
>It uses less frames
Fight/chase/other rapid motion scenes often are at full 24fps, at least in shows with a decent budget. Which is the same framerate as used by disney movies.

>>121549121
>Fight/chase/other rapid motion scenes
Of which this movie has none.
>often are at full 24fps,
"often". You mean like in Black Rock Shooter?
I have trouble thinking of other TV shows coming with that kind of FPS during action sequences.

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>>121545608
What better way to contrast and compare animation than with still images?

>>121545837
lel

These threads are the worst ones on this board yet I find myself coming back to them for some reason.

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00s > 70s = 80s > 90s > 60s

Purely from an aesthetic point of view

>>121549197
>often
Yeah, I guess I was wrong there. But fate ubw and sidonia come to mind, those had fight scenes in 24fps

>>121549197
TTGL, PSG, and KLK all had tons of 24fps fight scenes. Its part of how Gainax/Trigger is saving anime. They aren't afraid to spend money to produce a superior product.

>>121549917
>KLK
>Animation