Anime is kill
This. It is fucking backwards, and anyone who was stupid and ignorant enough to give away their (or their parent's) hard earned money deserves to be burned by this announcement.
Color me surprised...
Also, what about Little Witch Accademia? Any news about that?
So you are saying that a some people disagreeing with each other actually without burning the whole project down but actually parted ways like adults is going to destroy the whole project?
TL;DR:some of you people are idiots, but that is what i expected.
And nothing of value was lost.
Leave things to the real companies.
I didn't know they updated the designs, new one is awful.
I was interested in this, but I'm too much of a jew to fork over money to random strangers over the internet. Seems like I did right. A shame though, I saw the trailer and it was awesome.
>people thought they were "saving anime"
You aren't an investor because you don't actually have a stake in the deal. All you're doing is paying in advance with no guarantee.
Don't be deluded now, anon, and stop misusing economist terms.
Thank fucking god it's just Kinema Citrus now, backseat drivers will always crash your car and the hacks from IA would've killed this thing.
LWA was good enough to merit wanting to contribute to a longer OVA, these are completely different cases.
No there's a new clause in KS that the donors have to get their money back if the recipient of the money doesn't fulfill the kickstarters purpose.
I'm expecting a lawsuit to go down if the donors don't get reimbursed.
No then you'll succeed... at failing... but that would mean you've succeeded... but the project failed...
No investment are guaranteed. All of them have a degree of risk. Many invest also don't involve you owning a part of the business. Actually, a majority of investments it's "I give you X amount of money for your project, and, in turn, you give Y amount of your profits". The only difference is that here, you get a product instead of hard cash, but you're still receiving a return for the money you putted in. That's is investment.
>Actually, a majority of investments it's "I give you X amount of money for your project, and, in turn, you give Y amount of your profits".
That's investing in a business.
>The only difference is that here, you get a product instead of hard cash, but you're still receiving a return for the money you putted in.
That's buying something on Ebay.
UTD has no prior works to merit the company being a legit producer of anime.
TRIGGER at the point of the LWA2 kickstarter had LWA and Inferno Cop on their resume as well as the early PVs for Kill La Kill which showed that they were a competent studio to merit giving money to for more of what the fans liked.
UTD is a scam using the westaboo idea of MOE IS GARBAGE to merit some cheap Psycho Pass clone.
>have to give the money back
what about all the money that went into production, man hours, and other expenses
you can't get that money back, and they sure as hell aren't paying out of their pocket
the contributors paid for the idea to be developed, the idea didn't develop, they arent getting the 800k back
>"gotta save anime from all the moeshit"
>"we hate the current state of the industry"
Heh, get fucked fags.
Ebay, your product is assured to get you or your money back. That's not how investment works. If you don't get what you were promised when you invested, well, that's a sad day for you. Besides, the product you're buying already exist. In CF, you are giving money to the production of your object of desire, with no guarantees it will succeed. Stop strawmanning. It's not polite.
Pretty sure >>120952554 makes no sense. How would KS prove they didn't achieve their purpose? What if they just make a really cheap and shitty episode in flash and call it a day to avoid getting sued?
>It's a scam but it's a worthwhile scam as long as it makes LWA2 have 10x the quality of LWA.
What makes you think it'll be even better? Just because you shoved money to the project?
An Ebay seller is as obligated to send you the item you bought as much as the Kickstarter project is obligated to send you the reward. The only difference is that Kickstarter won't give you a safety net like Ebay. It's not an investment, it's a product purchase.
>When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.
If CIA don't make the anime and fulfill donor rewards they have to give all the money back regardless of what's gone into production.
>you are giving money to the production of your object of desire
That's called "buying". Investor's don't invest in Walmart because they want to see more Walmarts built, they invest in Walmart because they want Walmart to give them money.
>all that "le fund to save animay" money is gone is gone for nothing
Except you're wrong. And you strawmanning again. Your argument is invalid.
That's the classica way of investing. Nowadays, KS and CFing are new ways of investment. Get on with the times, dinosaur.
>Not really. Trigger got a bunch of free money to fill their pockets with as well.
You make it sound like animation companies are swimming around in Scrooge McDuck vaults while occasionally taking a break to draw a few QUALITY panels.
>That's the classica way of investing. Nowadays, KS and CFing are new ways of investment.
You realize calling what KS does "investing" isn't new, and actually has been illegal for like a hundred years right? Keep spinning those wheels though, whatever makes you feel better about wasting your money.
You're yet to present an argument yourself. Just strawman after strawman. Fallacies are not arguments.
> has been illegal for like a hundred years right
>You're yet to present an argument yourself.
>Just strawman after strawman.
Fun fact: something doesn't become a straw man by just saying that it's a straw man. Otherwise I could just say that your post is a straw man and pretend I've won the argument.
>The action or process of investing money for profit
How exactly are you gaining a profit by "investing" in a Kickstarter project?
It's not surprising considering that their whole project and communication was based on the supposed death of the industry. Good riddance, we don't need this kind of people putting their hands in our hobby.
>okay guys we need quick cash wat do?
>how about we get "backing" from the West?
>no hear me out. We tell them that we're tired of all the generic otaku bait that we want to put an end to it
>something about going back to anime's roots and saving the industry
>we also get Kojima to co-sign. They fucking love him there
>oh shit! it actually worked!
>alrighty then, I'll be taking my money and leaving. Pleasure doing business with you gentlemen
>but Jiro-san what about the backers?
>just tell them there were "creative differences" or some shit. Fucking retards already gave us what we wanted
Look, if you don't know what securities laws are you obviously have never invested money, but just to help you out, I'll direct you to KS's own rules where they admit KS is not an investment.
>Projects can’t fundraise for charity, offer >financial incentives, or involve prohibited >items.
>We’re all in favor of charity and investment, >but they’re not permitted on Kickstarter. >Projects can’t promise to donate funds >raised to a charity or cause, and they can’t >offer financial incentives like equity or >repayment.
And saying they are not straw men doesn't magically turn them into valid arguments either.
That's a stupidly narrow definition. If I pay a group money to develop something I want, with no assured guarantee of returning for my money, that's investment. You don't need to necessarily profit for it to be an investment.
I remember when this shit was originally going on
Most of /a/ agreed it was shit and a scam
Reddit thought they were saving anime
Fuckers deserve everything they get
I donated to LWA2
>You don't need to necessarily profit for it to be an investment.
You literally have zero understanding of how capitalism works. Hint: It's right there in the name, CAPITALism.
>And saying they are not straw men doesn't magically turn them into valid arguments either.
Every argument is valid until proven otherwise.
Thus far the only one arguing that Kickstarter pledges (note: they're called "pledges", not "investments" on the site) are investments. Meanwhile all other definitions for "investment" say it's for profit.
No, but it's always nice to laugh at those that donated to scamstarter.
It's also a good reminder that you shouldn't give money to kickstarter unless you're totally okay with losing it all.
To be fair, Anime LTD (a UK licencing company) has done a few Kickstarters before (Patema inverted being the biggest) and they've all been out on time and delivered.
I guess because they're just subbing and releasing a show that's already prepared it's much less risky.