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Anime is kill http://www.siliconera.com/2015/02/0 6/under-th

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Anime is kill
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/02/06/under-the-dogs-production-teams-split-due-to-creative-differences/
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>people actually spent money on 1 episode of an anime that didnt exist yet

How fucking retarded do you have to be?
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http://youtu.be/-WCFUGCOLLU
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I feel a bit bad, but mostly I'm just laughing on the inside.
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>people pay for an idea for a show
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>>120949763
Ask the people on /a/ that put money on LWA2.
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Creative differences my ass, some internal leaker spilled his guts a while ago claiming that Jiro Ishii is a greedy money grubbing faggot. Most of your donations went into his pocket.
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I feel no pity in those brainless people who paid for this
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>>120949961

This. It is fucking backwards, and anyone who was stupid and ignorant enough to give away their (or their parent's) hard earned money deserves to be burned by this announcement.
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>>120949718
>people gave money on this
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>>120949923
Except LWA already existed you mongoloid troglodyte. Back to /v/ with you.
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>>120949923
At least you could tell to a certain degree what you will get
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No surprise.
I bet people are crying on ribbit.
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>>120950052
Idiot who wasted money on Trigger spotted.
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Color me surprised...

Also, what about Little Witch Accademia? Any news about that?
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>>120949718
Old news is old, grandpa.
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I would be mad if I had contributed, but i didn't because the concept is so unbearably edgy.

Big shame about those Kozaki character designs going to waste.
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>A Kickstarter fails again

WHAT A FUCKING SHOCK
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What, you mean someone set up a kickstarter, and instead of delivering what they said they would, they took the money? I'm shocked, absolutely shocked... hahahahahaha
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I get it
"Under the dog" means gaijin who are lower than dogs, and glorious nipponjin took lowly gaijin's money.
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So you are saying that a some people disagreeing with each other actually without burning the whole project down but actually parted ways like adults is going to destroy the whole project?
TL;DR:some of you people are idiots, but that is what i expected.
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>>120950091
25/12/2014:
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>>120950091
Trigger just got a bunch of free money.
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So how much money in total did people fork out for that poster picture?
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>>120950323
>putting the date format backwards
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>>120950367
Don't start m80
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>>120950394
Don't format the date wrong.
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>>120949718
Reminder they went around to every producer in Japan trying to get money for this shit and they rightfully turned them down because of how unstable the project is.
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>>120949718
...and what a huge fucking surprise that was....
Crowdfunding idiots got what they deserved.
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>>120950865
this
the concept and trailer they showed looks very generic and unispiring
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>>120950353
12,000 people payed $878,028
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>>120949718
The retarded title on it's own should have been enough to give the game away.
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>>120950992
Ouch
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>>120951014
2 retards payed 10,000 $
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And nothing of value was lost.

Leave things to the real companies.
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Ah, good old Scamstarter, never fails to deliver humor.
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>>120951030
Paid*
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And this is why we can't have nice things.

Crowd funding is at least a little more bearable but this is just sad. Kickstarter is a nice tool but can be abused as fuck.
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So even if they don't make the show, no one can get their money back?

Even if they mess up the quality which they previewed the show?
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Pretty shameful.

Hope they're happy knowing they have made it that much harder for future potential fan funded Anime projects.
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>>120951282
>future potential fan funded Anime projects.
But none of those are good unless it's from an actual anime company
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>this news was 16 days ago

What the fuck /a/.
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>creative differences

What a load of bullshit.
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>>120950367
murrica pls
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>>120949718
So some of the team wanted to make it moe and the other didn't and now it's kill?
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I didn't know they updated the designs, new one is awful.
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>>120951808

Old one is definitely better.
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>>120951808
This is sexist


delete this.
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I was interested in this, but I'm too much of a jew to fork over money to random strangers over the internet. Seems like I did right. A shame though, I saw the trailer and it was awesome.
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>>120951640
Don't be retarded. Proper international date formatting would be 2014-12-25
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>>120950013
>people thought they were "saving anime"
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>>120951274
It's capitalism, niggah. You make an investment expecting some amount of profit for assuming some amount of risk.
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>>120952161
>kikestarter
>investment

Nope
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>>120952216
You give a certain amount of money to a venture expecting return for your money. That's the definition of investment.
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>>120952216
What's with all the antisemitism in this thread?

Fuck off back to >>>/pol/ you nazi
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Hope everyone loses their kikestarter money
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>>120952268
You aren't an investor because you don't actually have a stake in the deal. All you're doing is paying in advance with no guarantee.
Don't be deluded now, anon, and stop misusing economist terms.
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Thank fucking god it's just Kinema Citrus now, backseat drivers will always crash your car and the hacks from IA would've killed this thing.

>>120949923
LWA was good enough to merit wanting to contribute to a longer OVA, these are completely different cases.
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Can I also get crowdfunded for being a failure and continue failing?
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>>120951274
No there's a new clause in KS that the donors have to get their money back if the recipient of the money doesn't fulfill the kickstarters purpose.
I'm expecting a lawsuit to go down if the donors don't get reimbursed.
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>>120952304
And you fuck off back to Reddit cunt.
>>120952502
Yes it's called Patreon/IndieGoGo
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>>120952502
I wonder this every day.
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>>120952488
>these are completely different cases.
Not really. Trigger got a bunch of free money to fill their pockets with as well.
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>>120952502
No then you'll succeed... at failing... but that would mean you've succeeded... but the project failed...

I'm out.
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>>120952387
No investment are guaranteed. All of them have a degree of risk. Many invest also don't involve you owning a part of the business. Actually, a majority of investments it's "I give you X amount of money for your project, and, in turn, you give Y amount of your profits". The only difference is that here, you get a product instead of hard cash, but you're still receiving a return for the money you putted in. That's is investment.
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>>120952554
This.
Taking the money and running would be straight up theft, no way would any decent judge side with the animation company here.
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Remember the project didn't get fully funded until Kojima and Kotaku advertised it to /v/ermin, it's mostly them losing their money.
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>>120952635
>Actually, a majority of investments it's "I give you X amount of money for your project, and, in turn, you give Y amount of your profits".
That's investing in a business.
>The only difference is that here, you get a product instead of hard cash, but you're still receiving a return for the money you putted in.
That's buying something on Ebay.
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>>120952599
UTD has no prior works to merit the company being a legit producer of anime.
TRIGGER at the point of the LWA2 kickstarter had LWA and Inferno Cop on their resume as well as the early PVs for Kill La Kill which showed that they were a competent studio to merit giving money to for more of what the fans liked.
UTD is a scam using the westaboo idea of MOE IS GARBAGE to merit some cheap Psycho Pass clone.
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>>120952502
Sarkissian is. No reason you can't. Just be a successful attention whore.
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>>120952635
By that logic buying a fleshlight on amazon is an investment. You're retarded.
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>>120952687
And it's still a scam, because Trigger could've funded the entire thing by themselves. They just got free money because someone thought of exploiting idiots.
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>>120952554
>have to give the money back
what about all the money that went into production, man hours, and other expenses

you can't get that money back, and they sure as hell aren't paying out of their pocket

the contributors paid for the idea to be developed, the idea didn't develop, they arent getting the 800k back
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>>120952735
It's a scam but it's a worthwhile scam as long as it makes LWA2 have 10x the quality of LWA.
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>>120952783
It won't.
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>"muh manime"
>"gotta save anime from all the moeshit"
>"we hate the current state of the industry"
Heh, get fucked fags.
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>>120952711
>Just be a successful attention whore.
Where do you think you are?
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>>120952595
>>120952601
Go away shark
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>>120952680
>>120952720
Ebay, your product is assured to get you or your money back. That's not how investment works. If you don't get what you were promised when you invested, well, that's a sad day for you. Besides, the product you're buying already exist. In CF, you are giving money to the production of your object of desire, with no guarantees it will succeed. Stop strawmanning. It's not polite.
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>>120952756
Pretty sure >>120952554 makes no sense. How would KS prove they didn't achieve their purpose? What if they just make a really cheap and shitty episode in flash and call it a day to avoid getting sued?
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>>120952845
>implying
Fake hakase please go.
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>>120952783
>It's a scam but it's a worthwhile scam as long as it makes LWA2 have 10x the quality of LWA.

What makes you think it'll be even better? Just because you shoved money to the project?
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>>120952830
yeah, anime will continue being shit
cute girls will go on doing cute stuff
cant wait for cg#51413412 doing cs#1341241 for the nth time
but she is muh waifu xD
dont tuch
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>>120952870
No, you go away.
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>>120952929
But hakase loves same!
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>>120952905
Amen.
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>>120952854
An Ebay seller is as obligated to send you the item you bought as much as the Kickstarter project is obligated to send you the reward. The only difference is that Kickstarter won't give you a safety net like Ebay. It's not an investment, it's a product purchase.
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>>120952756
>When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.
If CIA don't make the anime and fulfill donor rewards they have to give all the money back regardless of what's gone into production.
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>>120952870
Is Smut Hakase still around?
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>>120952854
>you are giving money to the production of your object of desire

That's called "buying". Investor's don't invest in Walmart because they want to see more Walmarts built, they invest in Walmart because they want Walmart to give them money.
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>>120952929
Hakase is scared of dogs you stupid faggot she loves sharks.
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>>120949718
>all that "le fund to save animay" money is gone is gone for nothing
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Is there any chance of this being released still?
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>>120952971
Except you're wrong. And you strawmanning again. Your argument is invalid.

>>120953026
That's the classica way of investing. Nowadays, KS and CFing are new ways of investment. Get on with the times, dinosaur.
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>>120953085
yes
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>>120953118
>Your argument is invalid.
This isn't how you argue, retard.
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>>120952599
>Not really. Trigger got a bunch of free money to fill their pockets with as well.

You make it sound like animation companies are swimming around in Scrooge McDuck vaults while occasionally taking a break to draw a few QUALITY panels.
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>>120953118
>That's the classica way of investing. Nowadays, KS and CFing are new ways of investment.

You realize calling what KS does "investing" isn't new, and actually has been illegal for like a hundred years right? Keep spinning those wheels though, whatever makes you feel better about wasting your money.
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>>120953029
How will she handle this then?
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>>120952987
>CIA
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>>120953136
You're yet to present an argument yourself. Just strawman after strawman. Fallacies are not arguments.

>>120953190
> has been illegal for like a hundred years right
>[citation:needed]
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#KEEPANIMEALIVE
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>>120952595
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I hope the end product has more panning stills than a Bee Train anime.
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Fuck Under the Dog was our last chance.

Moeshit won. Anime is fucking dead.
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>>120953226
>What are securities laws?
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>>120953292
Don't forget all the close-ups of eyes.
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>>120953305
>what are them?
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>>120953299
>le epic trolling xDD
You do realize that even if ironically posted this is the simple truth, right?
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>>120953299
Weak bait
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>>120953226
>You're yet to present an argument yourself.
>Just strawman after strawman.
Fun fact: something doesn't become a straw man by just saying that it's a straw man. Otherwise I could just say that your post is a straw man and pretend I've won the argument.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/investment
>The action or process of investing money for profit
How exactly are you gaining a profit by "investing" in a Kickstarter project?
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>>120949718
How to scam kick starters for dummies
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>>120949718
Was this shit actually funded?
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>>120953226
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
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>>120953403
1. Put up a cool idea
2. Pull some "big name" into your project
3. Viral on 4chan.
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It's not surprising considering that their whole project and communication was based on the supposed death of the industry. Good riddance, we don't need this kind of people putting their hands in our hobby.
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>>120953511
Tim Schaffer approved
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>okay guys we need quick cash wat do?
>how about we get "backing" from the West?
>no hear me out. We tell them that we're tired of all the generic otaku bait that we want to put an end to it
>something about going back to anime's roots and saving the industry
>we also get Kojima to co-sign. They fucking love him there
>oh shit! it actually worked!
>alrighty then, I'll be taking my money and leaving. Pleasure doing business with you gentlemen
>but Jiro-san what about the backers?
>just tell them there were "creative differences" or some shit. Fucking retards already gave us what we wanted
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>>120953530
>Am I cute UGUU
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>>120949718
>people paid money for this
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>>120953334
Look, if you don't know what securities laws are you obviously have never invested money, but just to help you out, I'll direct you to KS's own rules where they admit KS is not an investment.

>Projects can’t fundraise for charity, offer >financial incentives, or involve prohibited >items.

>We’re all in favor of charity and investment, >but they’re not permitted on Kickstarter. >Projects can’t promise to donate funds >raised to a charity or cause, and they can’t >offer financial incentives like equity or >repayment.
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>>120953511
>4chan
No one here actually donates to the scam Or at least from the referrer details they've shown.
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>>120953359
>>120953484
And saying they are not straw men doesn't magically turn them into valid arguments either.

That's a stupidly narrow definition. If I pay a group money to develop something I want, with no assured guarantee of returning for my money, that's investment. You don't need to necessarily profit for it to be an investment.
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>>120953349

Industry is fucked. At least video games are still good.
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>>120953200
Throw the dog away, keep the shark.
The dog won't even fight back, just look at it. Look at the despair and utter lack of hope in its eyes.
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>>120953561
I remember when this shit was originally going on

Most of /a/ agreed it was shit and a scam
Reddit thought they were saving anime

Fuckers deserve everything they get
I donated to LWA2
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>>120953620
>You don't need to necessarily profit for it to be an investment.

You literally have zero understanding of how capitalism works. Hint: It's right there in the name, CAPITALism.
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>>120953630
Good bait, 5/10.
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>>120953620
Sounds like a donation to me.
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>our enemy is the light of humanity
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Typical Kikestarter
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>>120953620
>And saying they are not straw men doesn't magically turn them into valid arguments either.
Every argument is valid until proven otherwise.

Thus far the only one arguing that Kickstarter pledges (note: they're called "pledges", not "investments" on the site) are investments. Meanwhile all other definitions for "investment" say it's for profit.
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Well it's not like /a/ cares about UTD anyways


right?
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>>120953844
I believe some did.
There are people with different tastes posting here.
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>>120953844
I care about it a little bit
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>Under the Dog
>Not hentai

It was doomed to fail form the get go
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>>120953299
But Moe is kill too.
Chuuni and Wish Fullfilment killed it
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>>120950170
>"under the dog," a place of dishonor, misery, and filth
It is all coming together now.
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>>120953844
No, but it's always nice to laugh at those that donated to scamstarter.
It's also a good reminder that you shouldn't give money to kickstarter unless you're totally okay with losing it all.
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>>120953947
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>>120949718
I cared about it.

I want a seinen shoot 'em up. Now I'm not getting it.

Thanks a fucking lot under the dog. Now shit like this will probably never happen again.
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Reddit and /v/ got what was coming for them, rejoice.
#keepanimealive
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>>120954009
>Now I'm not getting it.
They're still making it.
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>>120953981
To be fair, Anime LTD (a UK licencing company) has done a few Kickstarters before (Patema inverted being the biggest) and they've all been out on time and delivered.
I guess because they're just subbing and releasing a show that's already prepared it's much less risky.
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Under the Dog is kill.

Maybe new GITS will be good? r-right?
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