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Are there other characters with 8man's archetype?

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Are there other characters with 8man's archetype?
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Me.
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Is Keima similar to Hachiman?
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>>113140269
Batman
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>>113140627
No. Keima is actually smart.
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>>113140269
Why is you call him 8 man?
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>>113141145
Hachiman,
Hachi is eight, hence 8man.
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>>113141119
8man is like one of the misunderstood philosophers, we can't comprehend his intelligence.
When the hell is Volume 10 going to be our?
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>>113141220
thanks
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>>113140627

In a core 'recluse' way, sure

But what makes them recluses is completely diferrent. Keima dislikes 3dpd but has the 'skills' to integrate if he so chooses, 8man just hates everyone, and doesnt have much on the social skills side
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>>113140269
Sneaky fags?
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>>113141386

8man doesn't really hate everyone, everyone just disliked him first.
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>>113141471
Everyone hates him for his blabbering mouth. If he'll just shut up and be considerate he's kinda cool in a sense.
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>>113141471
No, he convinces himself everyone dislikes him, but in reality, noone gives a fuck about him.

Then, he goes into the whole 'me' and 'them' mentality, similar to 4chan and normalfags, and just makes himself hate them even more.

I know
I used to be like that
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>>113141386
8man just cut off his nose to spite his face, he proactively sells himself as an asshole before they have a chance to reject him.
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>>113141563
>he convinces himself everyone dislikes him

You're projecting too hard there. If there's one thing 8man doesn't have, its a persecution complex.
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>>113140269
A pathetic loser? Yeah, plenty.
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>>113141668
He doesn't think people are out to get him, he just knows that he's unlikable.
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I wanna pound Saika's boipussy.
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>>113140627
No. Keima is a real-ass nigga.
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>>113141563
Chigau, Anon-kun.
He knows no one really cares about him.
However, making them like him to get things done is too roundabout for him.
He gets things done regardless of the consequences.
That's why he's the hero /a/ deserves.
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Are there other characters that want to be a househusband?
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You mean the supremely self loathing but not quite narcissist?
Sure there are.
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>>113141899
>He knows no one really cares about him
wrong
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Hachiman's pretty good at making the ice melt.
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>>113142015
My husbando.
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>>113141936
Yes, I agree.
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>>113142012
Narcissism is the opposite of self loathing.
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>>113141899
But there are people who genuinely like him.

And he like some people too.

He just doesn't can't admit it, cause he's too stuck in his own 'me and the normalfags' philosophy.
But he seems to be getting over it, slowly, in the last few novels.

Speaking about that, 10th Novel when?
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>>113142047
He really is best
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>>113142101
Narcissism is a defense mechanism for people with low self esteem. Read any journal. Here's one;
http://www.sakkyndig.com/psykologi/artvit/raskin1991.pdf
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>>113142015
Haven't read the novel but is hachiman gay or just a probable bi? Kinda confusing srsly since Yui was obviously into him.
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Next Volume When?
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>>113142215
He is Str8, he first thought Saika was a girl and felt attracted to him and can't unthink that anymore.
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>>113142122
>he's too stuck in his own 'me and the normalfags' philosophy.
Where are you getting this? The novel obviously states
>Pity and sympathy were emotions that looked down on others. Self-pity was the act of humiliating yourself. Both were despicable and completely ugly acts.

His unwillingness to pity others and get pitied himself has nothing to do with this me vs. them philosophy you keep pushing.
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>>113140269
Shieldbro
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>>113142349
Saika doesn't count, everyone thinks he's a girl.
His smile can knock you out with it's adorableness.
>>113142162
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Will Totsuka win the yaharib owl?
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The protagonist from a few episodes of The Tatami Galaxy, I guess.
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>>113142512
Isshiki will. She's already won my heart.
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>>113142404

Naofumi is an edgier Hachiman.
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>>113142625
Shieldbro actually has reasons to be the way he is, Hachiman is just a faggot.
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>>113142793
Here we go...
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>>113142162
Why is he squatting? Is he a slav?
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>>113142793
Faggot how? What did he do?
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>>113143019
Lusted after a man; see:
>>113142015
read the thread huh?
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>>113142793

Their only difference is 8man's trip to the edge was a slow descent that he even tried to prevent while Shieldbro was pushed off a cliff.
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>>113143058
Totsuka isn't a man. Totsuka is a gender. A doctrine. A religion.
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>>113140269
>Planning to torrent this anime
>Nyaa is dead

welp
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>>113140269
There are plenty of pathetic MCs but 8mans self-aware and snide attitude about it is fairly unique sadly ;_;

I can't really think of anyone comparable anyway.
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>>113143019
The only reason Hachiman has no friends is because he chooses to be an asshole and complains about being seen as an asshole. Shieldbro is treated as an asshole at the start and no matter what he does he will continue to be treated as such for no reason.

>>113143088
The trip was Hachiman's choice, Shieldbro can't do anything to save himself from the shit.
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But if he's batman
Who's BANE?
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>>113143119
A rifling thread. A thread count. A flavour of icecream.
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>>113143198
>complains about being seen as an asshole
Did you really watch Yahari, or are you just pastaing the same shit from older threads?
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>>113143198
>complains about being seen as an asshole
Where and when did he complain about the hole he dug for himself? He wears his status as a pariah like a badge and does whatever the fuck he wants.
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>>113143214
Hayama.
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Damn shame he became a normafag because muh feelings in the novels
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>>113140269
Still hoping against hope that either imouto/totsuka/sensei win the 8bowl
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>>113143198
>Look guys I'm posting bullshit without watching the anime or reading the LN.
Shitposters nowadays don't even make an effort.
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>>113143266
>>113143290
I did watch this bullshit, it was insufferable because the MC could have ended his bullshit in three episodes if not for him priding himself over being an asshole before people could be an asshole to him. His oh so sad story tasted like bullshit.
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Iris Zero MC is kind of similar.
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>>113143424
>His oh so sad story tasted like bullshit.
Good job missing the point of the show. If you did watch it that is.
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>>113143424
The Service Club trio basically had shitty childhoods and their situation at the start were just different coping mechanisms for the same problem.
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>>113143474
>new chapter never
Why did she have to get pregnant?
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>>113143019
Nothing that anyone would fault him for
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LN readers need to stop trying to argue with the animeonly people. It's not going to work out for either sides.
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>>113143119
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nunununu nununununu- 8man!
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>>113143167
kickass is very much operational
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>>113143550
You really need to start sucking this guy's dick so hard. He's in a hole he himself put himself in and he stays in it by his own shitty and dumb choice.

>>113143554
They need to grow the fuck up, watching immature pieces of shit isn't entertaining if they never grow the fuck up.
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>>113143694
air man ga taoisenai
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>>113143748
You sound like you're projecting hard.
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>>113143748
>He's in a hole he himself put himself in and he stays in it
>his own shitty and dumb choice.
That's the thing. It isn't a shitty or dumb choice for him. Stop projecting too hard in your chinese cartoons.
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>>113140269
>Edgy guy pretending to hate girls

there are plenty
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>>113143893
He doesn't hate girls though.
Nice try
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>>113143748
They're in high school, they're immature by default. And they're supposed to grow as time passes and they get new experiences. Doesn't seem like they got any counseling or good parenting either while they were kids.
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>>113143811
>>113143838
Projecting what? You want me to like this shitty character because he chooses to be in a shitty situation of his own choice. Why would I like a show about some guy refusing to change?
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>>113143198
>>113142404

Who is Shieldbro/Naofumi? Reverse image search gives me nothing.
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>>113143959
>shitty character
What characters do you like then?
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Emofags? Plenty.
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>>113143959
>he chooses to be in a shitty situation of his own choice.
He's far from a miserable fuck. Again, stop projecting so hard.
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>>113144012
Lurk more
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>yfw (pink) win the 8man
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>>113143959
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>>113144072
How about fuck you?
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>>113144120
>pink
Oh you mean Yukino? I'm okay with this.
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>>113144012
Read filename

>>113144014
I vastly prefer Shieldbro because at least his shit is warranted. Or do you mean in this piece of shit, I rather have Yui as MC as Hachiman as a side dick without all the focus on him being anti-social dick.
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>>113140269
A lot of the anons out here
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>>113144162
No, go fuck yourself for not knowing a character whose series is posted every single fucking day on /a/.
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>>113143748
>start sucking 8man's dick
Faggot, I knew you secretly liked him.

Also, that's the fucking point of the story, genius. Yes, he doesn't fit in. But he has friends. He has people who care about him. If he stopped pretending he didn't his life would be better.

That said, I like him (and Yukino as well) for his willingness to speak the truth as he sees it even if it isn't what other people want to hear, and to look at the world with a more negative eye than those around him.
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>>113144236
Nah, I'm gonna go with fucking you, retard. Reported.
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>>113144165
Is she wearing (pink) pantsu?
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>>113144318
>he didn't read the rules
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>>113144225
>being anti-social dick.
He's anti-social but he's no dick.
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>>113144244
I rather take Yukino, Hachiman is insufferable.

>>113144349
He's a pretty big dick, being a nagative asshole and doing it loudly is being a dick.
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>>113144342
> he follows rules
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>>113144225
>btw im a grill
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>>113144385
>being a nagative asshole
to who?
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>>113144422
>Answering to a shitposter
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>>113144318
Go back to your hugbox forum. Shitstains who can't lurk are unwelcome here.
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>>113144422
His first appearance is being a negative asshole.
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Does BakaBT make you do anything besides sign up?
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>>113142390
8man is an extremely interesting case. His thoughts on pity are pretty nietzschean, almost randian. But then his acts are never self-interested, and he can justify all sorts of things for the sake of other people, which would be the logical extreme of pure altruism.
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>>113144474
He's an asshole for writing essays and having an opinion?
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>>113144225
This is why I don't like arguing with animeonly fags or shitposters, but I'll bite.

What exactly are you looking for in a MC?

The point of the story is to see how he grows in relation to the characters he interacts with. People who objectively like him outside of muhbatman and muhblog fags want to see how he changes for the better. The anime doesn't really do justice to his character, Yukino even, considering it was rushed to fuck so I guess I can see why people end up disliking him for whatever reason.
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>>113144470
Your buzzword riddled pile of shit you claim to be a post sure convinced me. Do me a favour and kill yourself. Reported.
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>>113144500
You don't even need to sign up.
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>>113144327
She totally will. She got a pink scrunchie from Hachiman after all.
>>113142034
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>>113144553
Where do you read LN v3-v6? any big difference from anime?
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>>113144593
Glad you're convinced. Now do yourself a favor and kill yourself instead.
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>>113144553
I want an MC that actually looks like he might change, Hachiman continues being an anti-social prick every step of the way. If the LN is different, maybe Hachiman is a better character than I though but with just the anime and manga, he shows no signs of being interesting and having the ability to change.
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>>113144760
Learn moon.
That said, they cut out a lot of dialogue, banter, and side stories. The anime just basically throws it all into a blender and shits out a couple of important sounding lines and that's it
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>>113144774
No you, you fat faggot fat piece of shit.

I swear to god, I'll learn how to track down your IP, drive up to your house and tell you that you're reported.
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>>113144729
Black > pink
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>>113144824
Because the anime only goes up to volume 6 of the LN. He starts changing like volume 8-9.

There is a second season coming if you refuse to read.
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>>113144824
Hachiman 'doesn't look like he might change' because he actively resists changing. Even so, solely from the anime it is objectively apparent that he actually is changing. Compare him at the beginning (no friends, bitches about normals who enjoy their youth, bitter) and the end (multiple friends, is behaving quite similar to the people he criticizes in his opening speech about youth, still bitter).
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>>113144824
Technically, volumes 1-6 are more focused on the other characters than they are about Hachiman's character itself. It's only until volume 7 when Hachiman's personality/views become a problem to the point it starts to hurt those around him.

Which is exactly the warning sensei gave him near the end of the anime.
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>>113144165

>implying she didn't get the blue scrunchie

>>113142390
His self-justifications are almost never inline with his actual feelings/actions though, he has built up a lot of loftily argued walls to prevent himself from connecting with people and his thoughts on pity/sympathy play into that, granted it's all breaking down in the last few novels-for the better.
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>>113144824
>he shows no signs of being interesting and having the ability to change.
Because there isn't a pressing need as he's pretty damn happy with himself. At the start, it's him changing other people with his pragmatism.
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>>113144992
But she got the pink one!

Pink means love.
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>>113144639
Oh. Oh wow. I feel retarded.
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>>113145022
>Love
>8man

Komachi pls.
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>>113145054
I hope you like being scum though.
>Not seeding your anime

Do you even like anime?
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>>113145071
He's falling hard for her, don't you worry.
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>>113145022

Ah, I thought you were talking about Yui for some reason. I stand corrected.
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>>113145083
How can I seed if I don't have the file?
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>>113144922
So 7 volumes of him refusing to change? How the fuck does that even work?

>>113144938
Him resisting to change is no fun to watch, it makes me feel like I'm watching static.

>>113144985
See now this sounds interesting to watch, not the bullshit the anime was mostly of. I don't want to watch a static character being a dick to everyone because of past he refuses to let go of.

>>113145006
So he's not entertaining because he has no need to be entertaining.
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>>113145182
>So 7 volumes of him refusing to change? How the fuck does that even work?
If you watched the anime that's already 6 volumes.
7 is where the seeds of change are planted.
8 and 9 are where they're sprouting.
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>>113144517
I don't think Hachiman's ideas have anything to do with an opposition to altruism. My guess is he just despises pity and sympathy because he has a great deal of anger and bitterness.

He actually shows a great deal of what one could call "pity and sympathy that is heavily disguised." He behaves in a seemingly hateful way at times but often his goal in doing so is to help others, and I don't think he's ever done anything worse than say mean things. So I guess I see him as a sympathetic altruist who is unwilling to admit that he is one.

At the same time, he exhibits what I'd say is one of the flaws of 'pure altruism,' namely that he is quite willing to tolerate and even cause the suffering of at least one person: himself.
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Oreki isn't as abrasive but I think he's somewhat similar
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>>113144992
>he has built up a lot of loftily argued walls to prevent himself from connecting with people
It's more like, was he ever in the positon/allowed to push his selfishness onto others? In his entire life, he's never shared a connection like this with anyone (except Komachi).
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Isn't this show just edge lord the anime?
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>>113142034
Who is she?
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>>113145199
I couldn't read 7 volumes of this shit to get to what I want to see. Watching it is far less painful than reading inter monologues of him being an asshole.
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>>113145305
Again, who is he being an asshole to?
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>>113145333
His general attitude is that of being an asshole.
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>>113145305
>I couldn't read 7 volumes of this shit to get to what I want to see
It's a good thing most of those volumes aren't translated and you don't have to read them if you watched the anime.
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>>113145133
>>113145162
Wise wife, good mother > Education-conscious type of mom
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>>113145368
How? Hes helped tons of people. That isn't being an asshole.
He only appears to be an asshole to anyone who doesn't know him, and it's so everyone has a common enemy and can band together.
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>>113145242
My nigga Hotarou is hilarious in his own mind
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>>113145368
He's a pure altruist. Total up the number of things Hachiman's ever done for himself and the number of things he's done for other individuals, or the generalized "greater good".
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>>113145426
>helping people
I think some consider that being an asshole
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>>113145596
Not when he helps them without them knowing it.
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>>113145383
Lucky me I suppose.

>>113145426
His general attitude is that of an asshole, no matter how many people he helps he still has the same attitude. Tsunderes still act like bitches regardless of how much love they feel for harem MC-kun, it's the same principle here.

>>113145510
He still comes off as an asshole.
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>>113145596
8man doesn't care about people feelings, he just care about the result.
It's his strength, but also his greatest weakness.
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>>113145613
Nope there are still people who think that's evil.
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>>113145182
>So he's not entertaining because he has no need to be entertaining.
Its like convincing a tibetan monk he needs to start caring about designer clothes and sports cars. Why should he when he's plenty happy with his simplicity?
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>>113145649
Whats wrong with him being an asshole anyways? Asshole characters are fun.
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>>113145424
But both of them is the same level on Komachi points.
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>>113145683
Watching the monk wasn't be entertaining either.

>>113145687
He's not endearing or funny as an asshole, he's a realistic type asshole that isn't fun for anyone besides assholes who feel the same way as him.
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>>113145242
I want a crossover with Oreki and 8man. It'll be like a buddy cop only without the buddy.
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>>113145683
Because I want his money
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>>113145670
There are undoubtedly some people who consider the exact things you consider to make someone an asshole to make them the exact opposite.

I guess you'd better change your opinion to satisfy them, if you think you're making a good argument with that post.
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>>113145687
>B-but he is mean! and...and he is not nice to people!!! MCs are suppose to be nice

I seriously don't get the issue with him being an asshole, or actually "looking like an asshole" to the other characters because we know he is not really one.
If he was actually bitching about not being liked, or something then yeah it would be stupid but he never really cares about people looking down on him so fuck it.
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>>113145826
> besides assholes who feel the same way as him.
>/a/
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>>113145649

I don't really get your hostility, he's only really an asshole in maybe the first one or two episodes. He's still a curmudgeon for much of the remainder of the show but he warms quite a bit nevertheless and by the point of the LNs we're at now he's become much, much more receptive to everyone around him, not even just Yui and Yukino.
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>>113145826
>Watching the monk wasn't be entertaining either.
There are people who would be entertained regardless. Its not the show's fault that it doesn't pander to you specifically.
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>>113145294
edg·y
?ej?/
adjective
adjective: edgy; comparative adjective: edgier; superlative adjective: edgiest

1.
tense, nervous, or irritable.
"he became edgy and defensive"
synonyms: tense, nervous, on edge, anxious, apprehensive, uneasy, unsettled; More
twitchy, jumpy, keyed up, restive, skittish, neurotic, insecure;
irritable, touchy, tetchy, testy, crotchety, prickly;
informaluptight, wired, snappy, strung out
"everyone was edgy as the deadline approached"
antonyms: calm
(of a musical performance or a piece of writing) having an intense or sharp quality.
2.
informal
at the forefront of a trend; experimental or avant-garde.
"their songs combine good music and smart, edgy ideas"
synonyms: cutting-edge, on-the-edge, fringe, avant-garde, innovative, original, offbeat;
gritty
"an edgy new novel"

Close enough I guess. But if you're going by the dictionary definition that's hardly a bad thing.
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>>113145826
>he's a realistic type asshole that isn't fun for anyone
But that's what makes it good, because we know he isn't actually an asshole and other people start to realize this too. Even the super popular Hayama.
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>>113145826
>I don't find it fun so its not fun! trust me i used to be like him and its not fun!

Stop projecting and being ass pained about being an asshole in highschool.
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>>113145876
That's correct.

And the person you're replying to is saying that they aren't entertained by it, as well as why they aren't.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make - you clearly aren't telling them that they should be entertained, and you haven't specifically said they shouldn't publicly express their dislike of the show either.
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>>113145826
>He's not endearing or funny as an asshole, he's a realistic type asshole that isn't fun for anyone besides assholes who feel the same way as him
So, /a/?
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>>113145896
>Even the super popular Hayama.
But he knows from the get go, its why he gets mad at 8man for always turning people against himself to fix things.
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>>113145870
>more receptive to everyone around him
Except Hayama, i just don't understand why he's such a bitch whenever around Hayama, tsundere perhaps?
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>>113145909
What makes you think that person is projecting? Nothing in their post suggests that.

On the other hand, you seemingly leapt to "they must be projecting" as an explanation for somebody else's behavior. Are you projecting?
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>>113145980
/a/ is tsundere, learns the difference.
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>>113146047
/a/ isn't tsundere. /a/ is multiple people, each of whom hates different things and most of whom are eager to express that hatred in the most obnoxious way possible.
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>>113146009
He had a nice moment with Hayama at Destinyland, I think his attitude toward him comes from a combination of envy of elements of his personality and manner of operating within the world, but also a sincere distaste for his sweep-things-under-the-rug school of conflict resolution and avoidance. Even with him though, there's a begrudging respect I think, he doesn't truly dislike him in a severe way.
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>>113145866
Obvious now why /a/ loves this prick.

>>113145870
>much more receptive to everyone around him
This is what I want to see, not him being a asshole day to day. I want to see other characters affecting him though interactions not him turning the world into assholes like him.

>>113145876
They are people entertained by two guys walking in a desert for two hours with no dialog too.

>>113145896
I feel this way>>113146008
Him doing this isn't fun to watch.

>>113145909
What am I projecting? I want to see a story where changes occur to the characters.
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So people who've read the LN, who is currently winning? Yui or Yukino? Please tell me Yui is..
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>>113146122

And at least some of them are tsundere.
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this guy?
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>>113146150

It's been pointed out to you several times that change has occurred to Hachiman in the anime, even if not on quite as fundamental a level as happens in the later volumes.

I suspect what you're unhappy about is the pacing.
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>>113145949
If you've read the chain of posts, he didn't get the point of the show at all and it isn't the show's fault if he doesn't find it entertaining. His fixation on how 8man is an "asshole" is also retarded
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>>113146228
Isn't he SUPER SPECIAL?
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>>113146150
>They are people entertained by two guys walking in a desert for two hours with no dialog too.
Yeah, contemplative cinema is fantastic.
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>>113144639
I tried downloading from BakaBT but for some reason it can't find peers. I hate my ISP.
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>>113146181
>Seemingly in pain from those words, Komachi was mumbling something in a small voice next to me. “I wonder if Yukino-san’s more of an education-conscious type of mom… A reliable older sister… One day, I want her as my onee-chan.” Komachi’s eyes visually sparkled.

>“Yukinon, it should be okay. Komachi-chan’s very responsible so you don’t need to worry too much.”

>Certainly, Komachi’s very responsible.

>Seemingly happy with that follow up, Komachi was whispering something in a small voice next to me. “I guess Yui-san’s more of a Wise Wife, Good Mother, huh? A tolerant older sister… Eventually, I want her as my onee-chan.” Komachi’s eyes visually sparkled.
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>>113146303
If you've been on this site for more than fifteen minutes, you'd know that people who post here are anonymous. You have no evidence that the person you replied to was the same as the person above, only that they have an opinion similar to what you imagine the person you replied to would have on the two specific things they mentioned in their post.

I've had this (thinking I was replying to the same person I'd replied to before when I was not) happen many times.
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>>113146228
That guy actually tried when presented with friends.

>>113146299
That might be it, the pacing isn't quite as good for me. Maybe that is it.

>>113146351
Or just dumb.
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>>113146547
Ok pleb
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex
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>>113146415
So wait, they are both winning? Is the author keeping them both open because they don't know who to pick yet?
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>>113146547
Okay, so assuming that there is just one person here criticizing Hachiman's character, the issues you have with him are:

- Hachiman is an asshole (>>113146150)
- Hachiman resists change (>>113145182)
- Hachiman is an "anti-social prick" (>>113144824)
- Hachiman's problems are his own fault (>>113143959)

Is it correct to summarize by saying that you dislike Hachiman because he is an anti-social asshole due to his own behavior and doesn't want this to change? What would you rather he have been at the start of the story?
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>>113146735
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex
Why do you think Hachiman desires martyrdom?

The impression I get is that he chooses it because he sees no better alternative, not because he actually wants to suffer.
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>>113146854
Yep, it's pretty much stalemate for now.
But like i said before >>113145424 i'm still rooting for Yahallo.
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>>113146868
Yes, that is exactly true. If he had the desire to change, I would mind as much but he doesn't. If he was the same at the beginning as he already was but actually showed signs of being affected by character interactions, I wouldn't mind.
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>>113146978
He does change, but the message is that changing is the proof you lost before the world.
Other actually had power over you, for you to change and not be happy with your current self.

Afterwards though, he realize the fact that change not necessary is something bad when it improves your person.

And don't forget that he was bullied from the very start. It isn't like he was a shut-in or a self-aware character just because.
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>>113146978
>If he was the same at the beginning as he already was but actually showed signs of being affected by character interactions
I already explained above that this is the case.

Either you're shitposting or you didn't agree with my explanation.

Alternatively, perhaps what you mean to say is that in spite of character interaction he still expresses a stated desire to be an antisocial asshole. This is true, although I would argue that his stated attitudes have also changed. In the beginning of the show, he ardently rejects the world around him, with essentially no exceptions. By the end he has stated both to himself and out loud a desire to be Yukino's friend. If that's not "signs of being affected by character interactions" then I don't know what is.

>If he had the desire to change, I would mind as much but he doesn't.
I guess I ought to also ask what it is you want him to change into. A number of posts in this thread have been to the effect that Hachiman is fine the way he is, which indicates to me that some people don't want him to change at all. Personally I'd like him to change somewhat but I'd be very disappointed if he completely stopped being an "antisocial asshole."
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>>113146978
Don't worry he'll change, he already learnt his lesson.
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>>113147246
>Afterwards though, he realize the fact that change not necessary is something bad when it improves your person.
I want to see this, this is all I ever wanted from this.

>>113147275
I agree with your explanation. The pacing of this just takes far too long for me.

>In the beginning of the show, he ardently rejects the world around him, with essentially no exceptions.

This, I would change this. Show some signs that he doesn't want to be an antisocial asshole. He shows very little willingness to change, this continues for quite some time.

>I guess I ought to also ask what it is you want him to change into.
I simply want him to be less of a katana in a world of bamboo.

>>113147374
I want to see his change, that's why I am obviously still invested into shit that makes me mad.
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She better win.
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>>113147666
I still don't understand why you think he's an asshole. He's a bit jaded but far from an asshole.
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>>113147819
I guess he's more of a dick
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>>113147819
Not that anon, but whatever he's doing to Sagami is pretty asshole, even the results is positive, his method is always asshole.
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I'd rather have MC like that who doesn't communicate with other people, especially girls. Doesn't leave his house except in occasion to buy food if he happens to have money. No sudden girlfriends or "saviors", lost sex drive ages ago. Can't find a job, stopped trying years ago. Every episode is about his self-hate and struggling with depression and poverty. Final episode ends with his suicide and he finally finds peace.
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>>113146138
It's a mixture of respect and dislike in the sense that they are extremely similar, but due to their views will never see eye to eye. If anything, Hayama is probably one of the characters who understands 8man the most, which is why he's able to get under 8man's skin so easily, which doesn't particularly improve 8man's opinion of Hayama.
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>>113146958
There are alternatives, but hachiman always seems to choose the method that ends up with him looking like the bad guy. After a while, you have to wonder if he's secretly masochistic.
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>>113140269
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>>113147770
I hope she loses to pink
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>>113148134
You wish,
Dogs > Cats
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>>113148033
I felt it was him getting revenge for Yukino, where he kept Yukino's honor intact, but at the same time was able to deal damage against a girl who drove Yukino against a wall and showed no remorse for her selfish actions.
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>>113148033
>yfw
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What about bucket head? He's similar in the, 'I hate romance' sort of way.
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>>113144922
>There is a second season coming

is this true ? oh god let it be true
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>>113147819
Would calling him a dick be better? His whole demeanor is that of an asshole.
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>>113140269
a sociopath?

yeah plenty
>>113145242
this guy strike me like the one close to him
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>>113148237
Yup, was confirmed a month or two ago.
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>>113148261
No because I don't see Hachiman as a dick or asshole at all.
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>>113148308
any date ?
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>>113148261
There are three types of people in this world
Dicks , pussies, and assholes
He's a dick.
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He's a general Yang. Sad philosopher archetype.
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>>113148357
I'm pretty sure you meant Oberstein.
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>>113148337
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-04-16/my-teen-romantic-comedy-snafu-anime-gets-2nd-season More than a month or two ago, my bad. I assume they're working on it right now with plans for spring 2015.
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>>113148033
Its either getting humiliated by a loser or being hated by the entire school. 8man chose the former for her so she could walk away from the mess she made scot free because of sympathy.
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>>113145233
>>113144517
Damn. You got me thinking more about his character.
Goddamn he has a lot more to him than just a stereotypical character.
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>>113148313
Hachiman himself presents himself as an asshole, if you didn't know him from his pov you would think the same too.

>>113148350
I think asshole.
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>>113148408
No, ober is autis- oh wait.
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>>113148223
mfw what? i don't understand.
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>>113148532
If I didn't know him from his pov, I would've just thought of him as some loner. Not an asshole or dick.
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>>113148515
The problem is that he can't reconcile his desire to give pity with his belief that pity degrades the recipient.
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>>113148633
By pity, i meant Sagami primarily getting pitied for being "harassed" by 8man. If you're going to bring 8man's view of pity into this, sure, he might have degraded her in his eyes.
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>>113148599
If I saw the way he interacted with other people, I would think of him as an asshole.
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>>113148779
No, I got that. I think he might choose the most destructive forms of help for people he feels the most pity for
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>>113148834
Interacted with who?
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>>113141095
nope, Batman knows how to act like a normal person.
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>>113148350
Not amerifag, so what's the difference anyway between being a dick and being an asshole?
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Reminder that Chiba is home to the batmans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CzHFhZFk3g
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Why are the first and last volumes all translated but volumes 3-6 are not?
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>>113148863
Destructive for himself or the people themselves? He went the extra mile for Tobe and it isn't clear to me how much he pitied him and even /a/ has been puzzled by his motivations in that volume since.
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>>113148875
He was a dick to Yui when they first met.
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>>113148946
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>>113149143
For saving her dog?
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>>113149143
You mean after she called him disgusting?
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I always thought that Hachiman was a Defensive Pessimist. He believes that everyone dislikes him because of his low self esteem. He purposefully takes the blame for things so that people will hate him. It's his way of coping with rejection. Since he is doing this to himself, it's better than someone outright rejecting him because of the way he is.
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>>113149153
Why is his signal a sideways infinity sign?
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>>113148875
Sagami of course, plus don't forget he's also calling Yahallo a slut during their first meeting.
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>>113149177
No, I am talking about actual first meeting when the story starts.
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>>113149143
Yui a shit. Thank allah she will lose.
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>>113148980
>>113148980

Anyone?
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>>113149215
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Can someone explain how 8man is like batman because I don't fucking see it.
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>>113149254
I like Yui, I like them all except Hachiman.
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>>113149254
>allah

Nobody will win, Yukinon is haram.
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Can anyone tell me what volume of the novel the show finishes at?
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>>113149305
see
>>113141899
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>>113149305
What is dark knight?
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>>113149269
Because nobody translated them.
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>>113148992
Both, he might need to convince himself the act doesn't come from pity. If he can justify it as pure assholeness, it prevents him from feeling like he degraded that person with his pity, and the person doesn't feel like they were pitied. As for Tobe, I didn't read that part, so can't really comment.
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>>113140269
8man did nothing wrong.
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>>113149305
People who say this don't understand that batman can interact normally and does it all the time when he's Bruce Wayne. They also don't understand that batman raised at least one child succesfully, Dick. I doubt 8 man could ever do that. Batman openly does have and display empathy. However, the people who say this only think of batman in the simplest terms of personality disorder, able to bend morality for the greater good (or what he views as such), and a loner (which isn't true thanks to the bat-family). Oversimplification of batman's character is the real answer. I blame the Nolan movies & Frank Miller.
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>>113149203
I thought he didn't care about anyone so why would he need to cope with rejection?
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>>113149549
Isn't Bruce Wayne the mask that batman wears not the other way around?
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Can anyone tell me what volume of the novel the show finishes at?

I figure I'll start reading there since second season is still SOON(tm)
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>>113149602
Yes, however 8man can't even develop a proper mask for interacting normally with people. Where as batman can be a consistent actor, 8man can't.
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>>113149602
We Kill Bill now?
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>>113140269
You mean the nihilistic teenager and how he rants his cynical thoughts through banal dialogues? Most LNs are like that, so you should check that out. They're aimed towards teenagers who are going through puberty, not suprisingly.
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>>113149305
I kinda see the resemblance if you think about the end to the Dark Knight. Batman makes everyone think he's the bad guy in order to save Dent's reputation, which he feels Gotham needs more than him being known as a good guy.

8man kind of does the same thing at the end with Sagami. Sagami, like Dent, fucked up. If 8man didn't interfere in the way he did, Sagami would have gotten shit on for fucking up the festival since she was in charge and didn't do her job. By "humiliating her", he gives her an escape route; everyone will blame him for messing with Sagami before the ending ceremony causing her to screw it up. People already dislike him, so 8man doesn't care if he gets disliked even more, but Sagami probably couldn't handle being a pariah and would end up either going hiki or snapping.

8man saved Sagami and the school from potential embarrassment by taking the evil role, just like Batman.

tl;dr Sensei is best girl.

In other words,
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>>113149564
He didn't care, he just want to clear 2 requests at once.
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>>113149747
The dark knight is not the entire rucking franchise of batman.
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>>113149747
>tl;dr
You're wrong, sensei is the best bro.
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>>113140269
The real question is why does the christmas cake teacher never win.
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>>113148225
Kind of, but
1. He actually has social skills - it's romance and romance alone he's not interested in.
2. He went full retard when it came to dealing with his harem in the LNs.
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>>113149898
How many persons from your high school marrying their teacher?
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>>113149215
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>>113149806
Shit, can we even take in the whole Batman franchise? Which ones do we consider canonical? The show with Adam West? Which of the animated series? Which comics?

Yes, the Nolan films aren't the entirety of Batman, but for the average person who doesn't read superhero comics, they are at least a decent starting point.

Fuck off back to /co/
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>>113150002
There was that one scandal at the highschool about the female teacher sleeping with a student , and she ended up marrying him when he got old enough.
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>>113149269
Anime goes from Vol. One to Vol. Six, so they translated things we haven't saw yet (Vol. Seven to Nine). And now they're translating the older volumes, since there's no new material (And its different translators)
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>>113149670
The show ends at volume 6. Volume 7 takes place shortly after it.
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>>113150002
I don't know about you, but I don't use real life as a metric for Chinese cartoons.
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>>113150002
How many teachers actually care about their students the way she did?
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>>113149859
>not letting you're 110% bro waifu be you're bro as well
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>>113150056
That's why nobody want to marry their teacher, because scandals and public opinions.
>mfw i fall in love with my math teacher during high school
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Wouldn't Tomoko and 8man be a glorious pairing.
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>>113143324
he's twoface
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So is the LN over or is there more coming its been dead for ages now?
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>>113149549
>>113149806
Comicfags quit yer bitchin
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>>113149479
>If he can justify it as pure assholeness
Not just that but as his job in the service club.
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>>113150292
What? How? Not even remotely compatible
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Would this be better if Sensei promised to suck Hachiman dick every dick until he got friends?
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>>113150292
Tomoko is just anti-social whereas 8man is anti-social, cynical and doesn't care whoever hates him.
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>>113150292
You and the banhammer would be a good pairing.

Fuck off faggot.
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>>113150292
Even 8man doesn't want to befriend her.
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>>113150342
8man likes to fix people and tomoko needs to be fixed
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>>113148946
>that crying toddler
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What does 8man want? What is his final mission?
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>>113150468
same thing every teenage male wants. To lose his virginity.
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>>113150410
>likes to fix people
Only if Tomoko had enough courage to go to service club.
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>>113150371
8man isn't self-obsessed in the face of other people's suffering, has an incontrollable urge to help people (that he refuses to acknowlege), and does care who hates him - but wouldn't admit it with a gun to his head.
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>>113150468
Becoming a good house husband.
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>>113150468
He wants to be happy, like everyone else.
He's just a cynic.
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>>113150572
>>113150507
>husbando
>laid
Does he say that? I don't recall him saying that? Maybe his aimlessness is what's causing him to be so jaded? He needs a cause. A worthy one. A final mission.
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>>113150464
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CzHFhZFk3g
Chibatman looks so dejected about it.
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>>113150368
I wouldn't get any friends if Sensei was sucking my dick until I got friends
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>>113150613
I'm almost certain he said the house husband line in show. Though I don't have it in my hard drive anymore to check.
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>>113150647
That glance at the kid is priceless.
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>>113150696
Yes.
You work, you lose.
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>>113148033
>Sagami was the victim

such shit-tier comprehension skills
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>>113150368
>Sensei promised to suck Hachiman dick every dick until he got friends?
>>113150674
>I wouldn't get any friends if Sensei was sucking my dick until I got friends
Everything makes sense now.
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>>113149806
They're filming the next batch of batmeng right now! Here's a sneak peek of the stunt team.
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>>113150613
Yes, he doesn't want to works in the future and he want to marry his imouto if he can, because Komachi is his true end.
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>>113145242

Oreki's isn't a misanthropist.
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Threadly reminder than Sensei won the Hachibowl.
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I want to fuck sensei senseiless
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>>113150572
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>>113150971
>>113150972
Hiratsuka-sensei pls stop shitposting and go find a partner.
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>>113150972
That makes no sense
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>>113150557
>has an incontrollable urge to help people
And tomoko needs help so it works
Plus he's enough of a cynic to figure out what tomoko is actually thinking
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>>113150970
>misanthropist
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>>113148033
>doesn't give her half the shrekking she deserved for being such a megalomaniacal asshat
>takes the fall for her monumentous fuckup
>doesn't expect a thing in return
>tries to pretend that he's not bothered about being the target of everyone's ire so that sensei won't worry about him

>asshole
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>>113151039
It's wordplay
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>>113147770
Hachiman may have admitted that even Yukino lies, but I believe her when she says she doesn't want anything to do with him.
unless she wins pink though, I hope she wins then
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>>113151032
But anon, she already has one and it's 8man.
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>>113140269
Self-insert : the character
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>>113151154
Heh- We got pretty far before this asshole showed up.
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>>113147770
Bitch is mean.
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>>113151154
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>>113149305
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>>113141899
Christmas cake made me feel.
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>>113151114
He's being asshole is his keikaku, so instead of Sagami, people will direct their anger to 8man.
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>>113151242
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>>113148946
I had to stop the video when they were interviewing him.
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>>113151204
>>113151240
>Loser
>Hate everyone
>Blame everything
Seem similar ?
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>>113148946
>the translator deepening his voice
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>>113151420
That's tomoko not 8man
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Edgy teenager who think they are smarter than everyone else and understand how the world works?
There are plenty of them.
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>>113151114
You have to admire Hayato for playing his role perfectly, he knew exactly what the fuck 8man was doing.
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>>113151420
See
>>113151481
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>>113140269
Isn't this anime like worse copy of Monogatari?
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>>113151145
Nah, he's already said considering sensei as a partner only if he born 10yrs earlier.
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>>113151481
Face it, he is self-insert MC for edgylord teenager
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>>113150856
Yup thats broken
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>>113151526
hayato doesn't "act", his response was a natural one that was predicted by 8man
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>>113151154
>>113151420
>>113151491
>>113151561
Yep: it's official. The trolls are here.

Gentlemen, it has been a privilege posting with you tonight.
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>>113151561
Nah, Monogatari is too much fantasy.
Yahari goes full pandering.
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Why does nobody talk about the fat otaku? What happens to him?
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>>113151650
Sure he was pissed, but after the girls left he did ask is that was the only was he knew how to do things.
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>>113151561
Nope, it's pure romcom without superpower, supernatural an harem shit.
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>that hachiman doujin about his boypussy
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guys i didnt finish yahari

should i?
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>>113151614
>Implying she won't take responsibility for 8man being a loser and marry him herself.
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Welp the shitposters are here. I guess the only safe Yahari threads are the dead LN threads.
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>>113151717
>implying this anime isn't harem shit
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>>113151704
He's either dead or became the victim of good-for-nothing pillows.
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>>113151805
>animeonlyfag
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>>113151704
Because he isn't MC and edgy teenager want suck their self-insert MC dick
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>>113151772
>implying dog/cat didn't win the 8man bowl
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>>113140269
This shit
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>>113151882
>implying
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>>113152027
>greentext
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>>113152006
>8man no jutsu
>only 3man
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>>113152006
At least Davido is truly alpha and not a self-insert
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>>113152178
>3man
>Not 24man
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>>113152181
>David
>not a self-insert
My sides
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Every male character around 14-20 years old with black hair surrounded by women is a selfinsert character.
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Shiroe in Log Horizon comes to mind. They both have this "Being the bad guy in order to make people do the right thing" pattern, similar to Lelouch.
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>>113152181
>truly alpha
lel. alpha is the new beta in terms of shitposting.
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>>113152284
>implying i'm alpha enough to self-insert in him
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>>113152178
>no yuri hate sex between yellow and black
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>>113152484
>lel
fuck off
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>>113152592
No.
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>>113152532
>yellow
>not (pink)
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>>113152886
>want that too
>but no hate sex from that
>do want hate sex
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>>113141645
So it's like fat people calling themselves fat in order to deny you the pleasure to do so?
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>>113140627
>Is Keima similar to Hachiman?

No, he's a generic laughably unrealistic harem protagonist. Plus his series is garbage.
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>>113153244
Not really, he just makes himself the asshole because his nice personality gets him rejected and abused.
When he actually tried to be nice, his lack of real social skills would made people dislike him that way.
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>>113153244
except it's a social thing rather than a physical thing, but sure
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>>113153244
He'd rather be the mean guy than the guy who tries to make friends and fails.
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>>113151762
No
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>>113150856
What a retard.
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>>113148038
>I'd rather have MC like that who doesn't communicate with other people, especially girls. Doesn't leave his house except in occasion to buy food if he happens to have money. No sudden girlfriends or "saviors", lost sex drive ages ago. Can't find a job, stopped trying years ago. Every episode is about his self-hate and struggling with depression and poverty. Final episode ends with his suicide and he finally finds peace.

Too realistic and depressing.
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>>113151386
Best doujin: http://exhentai.org/g/622943/a18e7a4481/
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>>113153246
I wouldn't say he is generic, but he is unrealistic as fuck. He kind of borderlines mary sue as well.
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>>113154843

You shouldn't take shitty harems like that serious in the first place. The stories and characters are not rooter in reality at all, you won't find realistic characters or human behaviour there.

Yahari is the only bearable harem comedy I've watched, mostly because of the likeable main character who actually has a personality. It's still too far removed from reality with it's Sunohara best/only friend character, the downplayed importance of looks etc., but still a nice series.
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>>113154843
>Mary Sue
lol, no. He is more like a plot device than a real character.
>unrealistic as fuck
It's not supposed to be realistic, it's supposed to be like galgames. Imo there are two ways to see it.
1. The main characters are the girls
or 2. The entire thing is a tribute to galges and the characters are irrelevant.
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>>113154298
>best doujin
>no Saika
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