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>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S. and 12% in Japan, are watching or reading pirated works.

>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
Piracy wouldn't be so bad if Japan would have translated anime and manga and sold to countries outside of theirs. It can't be helped, they have nobody to blame, but themselves.
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>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
Yes because I'd buy the blurays to cuteloliharem24 if I couldn't download it.
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>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as from JPY 0 to JPY 2 trillion
Fix'd.
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Let me guess, the people who paid for this study were the unbiased media companies that produce anime?
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But anime is available in a convenient and legal way.

in the US
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>they lost money internationally from anime and manga that will never be localized.

seems about right

For manga even if there are cases where it is localized it's usually localized at a snails pace or never finished anyway.
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Will companies ever understand that pirated copy wouldn't necessarily be a paid for copy?
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>>111536904
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).

Horseshit.

I remember we had a poll where 80% of /a/ said they would pretty much abandon the hobby if Japan SHUT IT DOWN and we entered the anime dark ages. Getting anime from legit sources is a colossal pain in the ass, and you won't even know what will be good.
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>>111537664

No, I'm quite convinced they'll never understand that.
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>>111538602
>and you won't even know what will be good

/a/ doesn't know that even now.
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>>111537422
What they're REALLY mad about is that no greedy American corporation will buy up the rights to localize.

Considering that most American corporations just sit on the rights forever, it's really only damaging to the consumer.
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>>111538716
At least now you can pick up the first three eps easily enough to see if you rike it.

Just think. There is a world where the dark ages already happened and half of /a/ preodered Darker Than Black S2.
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>>111536789
piracy wouldn't happen if i could get fucking japan channels
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>>111538936
>preorder darker than black s2
the horrors, why can't bones ever make a good sequel?
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>>111536789
>2 trillion
How many discs is that?
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>>111538736
Why the fuck does this happen anyway? Why buy the rights to shit you don't even intend to sell? This doesn't seem to make any sense at all from a business perspective.
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>>111536789
>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S. and 12% in Japan, are watching or reading pirated works.

somehow I really doubt that ONLY half of american Anime/Manga watchers do watch stuff illegally, because that would mean that the other half are actually idiot suckers that pay for this shit.

I mean, sure some people might buy particular pieces of media here and there, but even they (and everybody else) uses "piracy" for the rest
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>>111539781

two.
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>>111539887
>Why the fuck does this happen anyway? Why buy the rights to shit you don't even intend to sell? This doesn't seem to make any sense at all from a business perspective.

Companies do this shit all the time to prevent other companies from getting a hold on a potentially lucrative set of rights. It may cost them money to sit on a copyright, but the opportunity cost of letting some other company get its grubby mitts on a potential deal is still higher.

Basically companies are a bunch of greedy jooz, and if pirating sources went down 98% of our chinese cartoons and comics would be flushed down the toilet.
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>>111536789

Well, maybe if there was a way to watch anime legally in my country I wouldn't have to pirate shit. The closest is either crunchyroll (with half the anime blocked because hur dur rights) or waiting for a cinema to realese it, and who the fuck wants to watch anime with 80+ annoying people?
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>>111539981
I'm certain 100% of American anime/manga fans have pirated anime/manga in one form or another considering how easy it is to download/watch/read online, it's just some of them also go on to buy the shit they like.
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>>111536789
Just think, it if wasn't for SAO and SnK, it would be over 99%.

But let's face it, we all knew it was going to happen. Scanlations and fansubs were only tolerated because it was free marketing and publicity for a potentially vast new market. Now that anime is mainstream, they are now seen as harmful.
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>>111540118
You could use something like NijiTV (it's free) to just watch it live.
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>can't even be assed to provide good quality translations or even English websites
>get mad when I don't give them money
Oh Japan, this is why you're in permanent recession.
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>>111540238
Any software that allows you to watch television not from you own region is piracy.
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>>111540118
>Anime in the cinemas
What kind of weird otaku haven are you living in?
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>>111537422
Feels good to be a Yurofag, we get a lot of them localized.
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>>111540364
That's not true at all. It's perfectly legal.
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>>111539781
About 5 Nichijou BDs, or 4 trillion BDs of Teekyuu
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>>111540364
in addition to that, watching a show without the advertisements is also "piracy"

yes, this is an actual argument by the industry, and there are suckers who defend that shit
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>>111540580
>>111540364
The thing I mentioned doesn't remove advertisements and has its own built into the UI in order to pay for its licenses. There's nothing illegal about it at. It's a free legal way for people to watch Japanese TV live (with a bit of a delay actually).
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>>111536789
I won't pay for something that I can get for free in the fucking TV.
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>the Swiss study found one in three of the country's citizens over the age of 15 downloaded forms of entertainment illegally. However, it concluded that this demographic is not spending less money on entertainment as a result, so the entertainment industry may not be losing money as a result.
There you go. All you needed to do was adhere to rationality and look at the real facts and not be a moralizing cunt about it.
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>>111540441
Feels bad living in Europa but not knowing French, German or Italian.
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>>111540429

Mexico. We occasionally get anime picked up by cinemas and distributed - for example, later this month we are getting the first season of free!.

The thing is that watching anime with a room full of people is shit. There's 99% it will be mostly weebs because normal people (or even decently behaved fans) don't usually pay $7 for a ticket when the normal ones go for $3.

People who apply for anime translating projects are either trash or have very bad quality control. The Anohana movie had lots of memes like "I'm forever alone" and several misspellings.
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>>111540441
>>111540832
>tfw every qt girl that likes anime here is guaranteed to be spoiled by Animexx
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>sign up to crunchyroll
>literally 5 minutes
>get access to licensed anime

how is this hard?
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>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).

How on earth do they come to these ridiculous figures? Why do they make gross assumptions then extrapolate them retrospectively?

It's their own damn fault that they can't and failed to monetise it when they had the chance. Trying to backtrack and change what is now so ingrained and steadfast as to how western audiences access these materials is a greedy and naive thing to do.
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>>111540441
>Feels good to be a Yurofag, we get a lot of them localized.
>localized
>good thing
I bet you pay to stream dubbed anime you fucking fag.
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>>111540867
Stop complaining and support the industry, we even got an anime cicle at the national cinematheque which have tickets as low as $2 . They're having mindgame today. I'm kind of excited.
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>(approximately US$ 20 billion)
Every time
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I hate jews.

I don't even get why anybody would like them in the first place. Even their own religious texts shit all over them.
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If that shit was priced reasonably, the damages would be a hundred times less, and people might actually buy it
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>>111540867
>Mexico
>Free
Wait, what?
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If they want our money then they should advertise and make it easier to buy merchandise.
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>Piracy wouldn't be so bad if Japan would have translated anime and manga and sold to countries outside of theirs.
You and I both know that people would just pirate the translated versions, OP.
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>USAF
>everyone pirates games
>everyone pirates anime
>if our provider tells us to stop we just say we'll shoot them or something
>if anyone tries to take anyone to court over the matter we just say we'll shoot them or something
>it works 100% of the time
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>>111538602
>tfw my quality of life will improve if Japan does shut it down.
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>>111542615
>Provider.
>Scared of the Chair force.

Nigga what.
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What price does anon think is fair for Anime and Manga?
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>>111540832
I dont know, i've read the hitsugie no chaika manga localized to germany and it felt pretty weird. I prefer readeading my animu and manga in english.
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>>111536789
most of japanese media wouldn't be read/watched as much as if is, if it weren't free. it's the free part that brings so many people to it.
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Suck my cock, Japan
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There's very few anime I'd ever consider buying. The most I'd pay is 15-20$ for a blu ray
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Maybe I wouldn't pirate it if all the shows aired on tv in Japanese. Too bad that isn't an option. I don't see why they care about me pirating their commercials. Do they not want gaijin buying their merchandise?
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>>111536789
>(approximately US$ 20 billion).
Where does this number come from? Is this yearly, per decade, last 69 years? How anyone could believe this shit is beyond me.
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>>111541819
20 billion dollars is roughly 333,333,333 japan priced disks. Highly doubtful anime has sold that many vhs / dvd / bds in it's entire existence.

Stay stupid japan.
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>>111543109
That will contain all episodes right?
Fuck paying more than $30 for 12 episodes
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>>111543268
You mean $30 for 2 episodes.
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>>111542615
Is the Air Force really the lazy weeaboo hive everyone's told me it is?
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>>111543109

!'d be happy to upto $60 for a full 12 ep series. If it had extras and bonus material, maybe a cute show related gizmo/gadget/ or cuddly toy upto $100.

It's not like I don't have the money to burn anyway but even then I think that a reasonable price. To hell with paying $30 for 2 eps and several hundreds for a full series.
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>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S. and 12% in Japan, are watching or reading pirated works.
>over 50% of them in U.S.
So less than 1% true buyfags and over 49% normalfag scum buying dubs?
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>>111543493
Yes, following close in 2nd is the Navy, and since Attack on Titan is a big thing right now more and more are getting into anime because of it.
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>>111543575
>normalfag scum

There's no difference between watching dubs and subs except for the fact that dubfags are actually supporting the industry. Watching amateur subtitles doesn't make you any more hardcore.
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>>111543493
Yes, my guess is that many weebs join the military because they either dont know what to else to do with themselves or because they want to be send to nipppon
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That's not how you watch anime.

You are supposed to be in a dark place, alone, laughing to yourself but actually is dying inside.
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>>111542188
> supporting meme bullshit subs

> national cinematheque

I don't live in the capital. And two out of the three films are Ghibli. I could get the dvds/blurays for those $2-
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>>111543715
Well, if I can't find work with my cs degree I'm going to join the airforce. I'm politically and morally against the military, but I'd rather not be poor. I doubt I will need to though.
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>>111542868
I thought the same about the German version of Yamada-kun or recent releases in general. It feels more comfortable buying the Japanese version and using English translations if necessary.
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>>111543784
nah watching anime is the highlight of the day for me because I can escape reality I only die inside after its over.
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>shitty low quality bait in this thread
>no replies

You know what /a/, you've really grown up.
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>>111543903
its just a exception dont get your hopes to high
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>>111542868
At least you got to read it at all.
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>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
you know how I know that's bullshit?
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>>111543853
That's exactly what I've been thinking of doing, minus the reservations against the military.
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>Anime starts getting extremely popular globally starting in the mid 90s
>Japan makes no attempt to change their business practices to expand on that

Whatever, don't expect me to pay $25 on shipping to import a $60BD with 2 episodes on it.
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>>111540248
High corp tax might have something to do with that.
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>>111543677
>dubfags are actually supporting the industry.

That's funny - because generally the people who watch dubs also tend to be underaged kiddies who wouldn't be able to afford blu-rays or merch anyway. The studio makes a shitty penny from selling a license but other than that doesn't recoup much from or make much more from the franchise.

People who 'pirate' also tend to be more 'hardcore' and actually interested in buying merchandise, some even making the 'pilgrimage' to Tokyo or their favourite sites in Japan, and generally the freaky otaku types who would spend hundreds on blu-rays and merchandise are exactly those who pirate the shows when they are airing in the west.
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>>111541611
>streaming
Crunchyroll is shit.
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>>111536789
>rest of the world at 38%
>U.S top pirate
USA! USA!
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>>111540441
I'm from Europe too and I don't give a shit because localisations are still slow and translations not better than fansubs. To be fair though, the last manga I bought was probably in 2002 or so.
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you know, I could stop watching anime today

I only watch anime because it's free, and there's so much of it
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>downloads = lost sales
Yep. Totally.
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>>111543677
Nobody gives a shit about supporting the industry.

>>>/v/ is that way.
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>>111544135
>People who 'pirate' also tend to be more 'hardcore' and actually interested in buying merchandise

Plenty of dubfags buy merchandise too. Watching dubs or subs has nothing to do with one's desire to go to Japan.

You're consuming content in the same language as dubfags so thinking you're hardcore because you need some fag that doesn't even like anime anymore to translate everything for you is silly.

If you want to be hardcore then learn the fucking language.

>>111544287
You're trying a bit too hard there.
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>>111544109
get out of here, republicanfag
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>>111543903

I take it back, it was just a fleeting moment. Fuck you, /a/.
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>>111544135
This room is so comfy, always so jealous whenever I see it.
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>>111539981
A huge deal of them could be dub watchers or localized manga buyers aka normalfags.
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>>111544332
>You're trying a bit too hard there.
No, I'm not trying a bit too hard there.

Take your faggot attitude back to /v/, animesuki forums or wherever you came from.
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>>111544348
>Not knowing the only one who replied to the bait are from /v/.

They are stupid please ignore them.
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>>111543853
CS major here as well. Plan on joining the military if I can't get a decent job 1 year after graduation.
I'd rather bet my life in war than stay poor.
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>>111544332
A dubfag has an appreciation for the superior acting of Japanese voice actors opposed to the failed retards which do it in English so he's less likely to be a casual retard with shit taste who should get the fuck out and kill himself.
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>>111544386
Didn't like hearing the truth, did you?
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>>111542862
I'd pay £7.99 for a 13 episode season pass if I can watch the first episode for free. £13.99 for a 2 cour season if the first 3 episodes were free. All in HD with a maximum 1 day delay and available for download. Also needs to be available in every region, not just the US

The reality is there is fuck all available, most of it is shit; what there is is at least a season behind and they charge fucking $3 per HD episode.
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>>111543811
Fucking provincianos, step up your game.
Also:
>two out of the three films are Ghibli
Those are the ones that are left. Last month we got at least ten other films and a shit ton of short movies.
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Has the "definition" of a normalfag evolved to the point where it means "Anyone that doesn't share my exact same set of beliefs" ?
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>>111544468
alrighty
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>>111542407
This is fucking ridiculous. They're Japanese business men. Not every cold hearted money grubbing business men is a part of the juice conspiracy.

>>>/pol/
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>>111542862
$20 for an entire season
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>>111544417
>Bet my life in war.

You have a degree you go in as a officer, you'll will never see combat, enjoy paperwork.
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>>111542862
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>>111544479
I can only repeat: we're not /v/ here.

If you want people to suck your dick for supporting "the industry" you need to get the fuck out and try again elsewhere. Animesuki, ANN, reddit or whatever subhuman faggot place you're from.
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>>111536789
How is it damaging anything when the works they'll quote as damaging aren't sold in the US?

Fictitious numbers. Just like no matter what they've done to destroy the lives of people sharing music, music sales continue to stagnate.
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>>111542612
The culture of piracy is only there in the first place because they made it hard to get legitimate copies, if they went back in time circa ten-fifteen years ago and changed their business models then, then there would be /less/ piracy than there is now.
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>>111544582
>we r leejun!

fucking kill yourself
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>>111544553
If they're not Jews why are they acting like Jews then?
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>>111536789
The people who pirate don't even have enough money for all the stuff they pirate, and even if they did they certainly wouldn't pay for most of the stuff, so putting up numbers like this is just fucking retarded.
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>>111544348
I told you so, you should have listened
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>>111544633
Yes, we're a secret club. And you're not invited normie.
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>>111544572
>We live in a world where games are now consistently cheaper than every other media based hobby sans books

Fuck this gay earth.
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>>111536789
>it can't be helped
OP confirmed for every anime character ever
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>>111542862
I would pay upwards of $7-$10 per volume, and $40 per BD set.
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>>111544572
>but then I'd have to make a second account to not reveal my powerlevel
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>>111541819
Easily.
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>>111544660
This.

People here wouldn't even buy a fraction of what they watch - even if they could afford it - which most probably can't because they're NEET/students.
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>People thinking they own ordered numbers of 1s and 0s on your computer
>companies still calling it "theft"

One of these days copyright laws will be torn asunder.
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I wouldn't be into anime if I had to pay for it. I like this hobby of mine because it's free.
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>>111544333
I'm British and stop taxing growth you idiot, there's a reason Britain's economy is pulling ahead the the US' isn't.
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>>111544633
This wouldn't even be an issue if your fags kept the secrect club initiative!
WE WERE UNDER THE JEW RADAR FOR SO LONG UNTIL YOU NORMAL FAGS FUCKED IT UP!
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>>111544572
I'd use it
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>>111544572
Shit idea because Steam is essentially the facebook of gaming. I don't want my sales to be tied to my account, I don't want everyone to see what I watch, I don't want American Jew companies track what I watch, when I watch it, etc. I don't want American spy agencies do the same either.
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>>111544572
>one episode $0.99
No thanks.
Why cant we have localized airing with commercial brakes like they have in japan?
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>>111544761
You're an uninformed idiot.
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>>111544332
I'm an hardcore nihongo master who has learned over 20 kanjis and I still pirate everything.
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I would support the industry if shit didn't cost almost double and it was easier to get.
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>>111544752
I wouldn't watch anything any more. I'd move on to something else.

$600 for a series on BD at Japan prices makes me laugh. If it was truly mainstream like they think, it would be a fuckload cheaper.
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>>111541611
>streaming
>it's all post-2000 garbage
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>>111544855
>I'd move on to something else.
Like what? It's not like there is anything comparable.
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>>111544636
They're acting like every business men of any race has ever acted.

>>>/pol/
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>>111544833
To be fair, in a way, he is not entirely wrong.
I wouldn't say your problems are taxes, right now.

Your biggest problem right now are SJWs. You guys have one sector of the economy that is doing really well. And they are facing huge pressure from SJWs.

See the drama with google, twitter, amazon, etc
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>>111544622
Wrong, see Game of Plebs: it is widely available and advertised and yet is the most pirated show. Even if Japan were to sell their anime reasonably now they would still be pirated as hell, simply because any price > $0.
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>>111541611
>We're sorry this shit is not available in your region
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>>111540224
Reallly, anon? Is anime mainstream now? Please tell me it's not.
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>>111542862
I'm going to pirate everything no matter what. I'd only pay for a series I really enjoy, like 9/10 or 10/10 enjoy. I think something like $1/Episode would be okay at that point, maybe more if there are nice extras that come with it.
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>>111544633
Not being a dick sucking moralfag is actually one of the things that the vast majority of /a/ actually agrees on. So yes, in this case

We are legion.
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>>111544899
/fit/ is as gay as anime
they will welcome you with open arms
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>>111544899
I'd spend more time painting miniatures in my /tg/ hobbies, or playing games again, which I've neglected for the last 5 years.

Someday I'll seriously open that copy of Valkyria Chronicles.
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>>111544848
Aniplex pricing is really a joke. They are experimenting bringing Japan level pricing to the US and I hope it fails miserably.
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>>111540452
>watching unlicensed streams is legal
What is the Berne Convention?
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>>111544951
Its not. its more popular than ever but still very niche. i do think however that in the next 10-15 years it will go the same way the gaming industry went.
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>have watched anime for years
>have never spent a single penny on it

I plan to keep it that way.
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>>111544848
>almost double
Much more actually, since that Madoka BD only has 2 or 3 episodes on it and the other has a full season.
To be fair that other show is old as balls and probably DVD.
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>>111544815
Just put a tinfoil hat on the computer and problem solved.
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>>111544945
Social Justice Warriors? Ok, what are the SJWs doing? I'm uninformed on the issue.
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I might think about buying BDs/DVDs if they weren't such a pain in the ass, but anime encodes are simply the superior product.
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>>111545036
They only need a few hundred buyers to make it profitable.
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>>111545111
Google for twitter diversity.
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>>111539508
jpplayer
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>>111545059
I've spent money on figs, and bought several cheaper series for my sister as gifts. If Japan was smart they'd stop beating people over the head for trying to watch their shit and instead have lots of nice physical merchandise people will pay for.
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>>111545111
those fags who think they should be taken serious when they say they are fluidgendered transniggers
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>>111544946
>widely available
Yes, if you have an HBO cable subscription.
Who watches cable these days?
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>>111544994
>>111545030
Neither of that provides the romantic surrogate though. Cute girls and all that. VN/eroge might come the closest, but those aren't released in the west either, they're rarely translated and chances are - assuming Japan could actually keep people from pirating shit (which they probably can't) - then they could keep you from pirating those too.
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>>111545207
So they're mad because male workers dominate an industry that very few females chose to train for? Believe it or not, companies aren't stupid enough to fold to this kind of pressure if it risks their profit margin.

And the American economy as a whole is growing at this point, trying to say that only one industry is seeing growth is uninformed, and if you compare debt numbers relative to size of economy Britain is in much worse shape.
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i fucking hate when companies try to pass 1 unit pirated as 1 unit not sold, as if pirates would buy everything if they couldnt pirate it. This is completely retarded, they arent losing anything, only gaining exposure which may potentially lead to more sales.
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>>111544903
During the middle ages these people had to take the back door to enter the castle and they were lucky when they weren't given a good beating before leaving.
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>>111545039
>its more popular than ever
The bubble burst years ago.
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>>111544946
Only because its locked behind HBO's subscription. And HBO is smart enough to see the piracy as a good thing and make enough money back on merchandising, and DVD/BD sales.
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>>111544135
>not throwing away old food
>eyedrop collection sitting on one of the rigs
>tupperware sitting on table
>leaving bags on the floor
>storage bin flipped sideways
>no headphone stand
>power bar sitting on table with wires exposed
>tangled up wires sitting on shelf,
>empty picture frame sitting on desk
>using a razor mouse
>spooky-ass thomas the train eldritch abomination sitting on top of speaker

4/10 He tried
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>>111545100
Are you seriously denying that these things are done? You must be out of your mind if you think so. Of course Valve harvests your data to Jew you out of your money and of course US government agencies have access to that data.
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>>111545413
Its more popular than it was then, and the audience is more mature this time around.
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>>111545036
It won't fail, because Western licensing companies finally realized that actually buying physical copies of anime has no meaning for anyone besides the collectors, who will pay the higher prices.

Why do you think Funimation and Sentai are shitting out premium, limited edition shit after killing themselves by playing "race to the bottom" bargain bin pricing?
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>>111544694
>consumes translated media
>thinks he isn't casual

my fucking sides
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>>111544946
>it is widely available and advertised and yet is the most pirated show.
It is NOT widely available. In many European countries you can't legally stream it. That's the whole reason why it's pirated to hell.

Do you think retarded normalfags would bother pirating if they could legally stream it somewhere?
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>>111545518
Why are you here and not on 2chan?
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>>111545030
>Someday I'll seriously open that copy of Valkyria Chronicles
You should make that day sometime soon, shit's good.
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>>111545397
During the middle ages people walked barefoot through shit and killed each other by the thousands over which way you worshiped the same messiah.

Is this analogy supposed to mean anything to me?
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>>111542466
yep
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>>111545610
Believe it or not being on 4chan doesn't prevent me from being on other sites.
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>>111545476
let's see your room
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>>111542615
>navy
>have to wait 3-5 months to watch anime
life is suffering
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>>111545518
Less casual than dubfags.

You're trying to construct a case where you declare only the extreme to be hardcore and anything below (i.e. the vast majority) to be casual - and through that elevating the status of dubfags from retarded niggers with shit taste to just regular casual viewers - like people who watch subs.

That doesn't work however because things aren't binary.

There's still a big difference between being a subhuman faggot like yourself who watches shitty dubs and someone who watches the original - even if he uses subtitles.
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>>111545673
I don't think you know much about the middle ages.
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>>111545397
Back in the middle ages everyone was piss poor and living in poverty and filth, nowadays I can walk down to the shops, buy a case of wine and poor it down the public drain without it hurting my finances all that much even when I earn well below the national average.
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>>111545779
I actually do, and I'm exaggerating, but my point still stands. The middle ages aren't any sort of standard for behavior, and trying to use any time other than the present to prove a point is asinine.
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When will this get localized?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7a8a7ZKoE
We're been YEARS but we're so far behind!
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>>111545397
Funny how the quality of life worldwide shot up once monarchy fell and business men started running things. Next time you do anything, be sure to thank the Jews who made it possible.
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>>111545723
There's a very large gap between someone who relies on translations to consume anime vs someone who has spent thousands of hours learning Japanese to consume anime.

Subfags might be slightly less casual than dubfags simply because much more content is translated via subtitles but subfags are by no means hardcore.
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Since when does /a/ care about piracy?
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>>111545833
>>111545842
Economic wealth has nothing to do with moral integrity.

>>111545899
You must be retarded because Monarchs have been in charge way into the 20th century.
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>>111536789
There are a lot of anime that I would never pay money to buy a Bluray of, nor would I pay money to stream, or even pay $0.99 to download a single episode of. Not to say that I wouldn't sign up for a subscription service like Crunchyroll if I had to, but they don't carry everything and probably never will. Without piracy, the truly bad anime series would never get exposure.

However, I have paid $50-100 on figures and other merchandise from bad series like this (pic related, I own one), and I guarantee you that I wouldn't have paid that money if I hadn't pirated the episodes and fallen in love with the characters in spite of the terrible anime they are stuck in.

If Japan really goes after Western fansubbing, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot. If, on the other hand, they only go after Chinese fansubbing (a futile fight if there ever was one), then they're at least pushing in the right direction, although it's wasted effort and tax money down the drain.
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I buy manga because having a book I can turn the pages of is better than staring at a screen and clicking a mouse.

I don't buy anime because I'm watching it on my TV if it's pirated and I'm watching it on my TV if it's bought.

If you get the same experience either way, why would you pay for it? Hell, the experience you get from buying anime is probably worse than pirating.

Do any companies still use yellow subs?
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>>111546079
We don't. Outsiders trying to destroy or glorious culture and way of life do. They've revealed themselves now that Nippon is trying to pull a Pearl Harbor on our piracy.
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>>111546079
You don't think people on 4chan of all places cherish anonymity and being free from all the social media bullshit that is forced upon people in shitholes like Facebook?
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>>111545331
>VN/eroge might come the closest, but those aren't released in the west either, they're rarely translated and chances are - assuming Japan could actually keep people from pirating shit (which they probably can't) - then they could keep you from pirating those too.

Perhaps it would kickstart a golden age in western VNs. VNs never really took root like other games but there is a market and demand...
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Disregard >>111546243, I read "piracy" as "privacy".
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>>111545509
Sure worked great with bandai with their honneamise brand and ADV / Geneon when dvds were selling for 30 bucks per 4 episodes.

I think we are still going to get our cheap box sets for the most part. Only specific titles with huge fan bases are going to get the 203948209 dollar per episode treatment.
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>>111546296
the market isnt big enough though and many people think of shitty dating sims with tentacle rape when you try to explain VNs to them
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>>111546166
>Economic wealth has nothing to do with moral integrity.
Moral integrity doesn't feed the hungry and cure the sick. It destroys culture and brings about the ruination of entire peoples. Its a refuge sought out by those who are too afraid to venture face first into the future. Moral integrity has very little to do with right and wrong.

>You must be retarded because Monarchs have been in charge way into the 20th century.

They also fell in the 20th century, which is shortly before the jump in QoL happened.
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Why can't the fucking japs do what Hollywood does?

I mean, they create some sort of association and start distribuiting this shit worldwide?

IS REALLY THAT HARD?!
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These companies needs to realise that there's a big fucking problem in trying to get people to buy every single thing that they watch. If there was some way for people to watch a series for free, like they do in Japan then people will of course take that option. Instead of hounding people to buy shit they wouldn't buy, they should work on distributing this shit themselves in a way that'll encourage people to buy releases that they like in BD/DVD form.

I just don't understand why they think it's alright to make westerners pay for shit that japs get for free.
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>>111546166
>people wanting to prosper and make a better life for themselves and family by supplying people with the things they want but can't otherwise get, for just a small fee
>lack of moral integrity
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>>111544724
Those are fighting words, son. Steam brought about a revolution that lessens the burden of my wallet by a lot.
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>>111544135
>People who 'pirate' also tend to be more 'hardcore' and actually interested in buying merchandise

not quite. The thing about "hardcore" fans (in terms of buying stuff) is that they're actually just a small minority on the upper end of the whole audience spectrum.
In Japan itself it is basically just a group of few tenthousands otaku who subsidize a whole multimillion dollar industry (that caters specifically and exclusively to them in their content) with their obsessive spending behavior.

Same in the rest of the world, sure many people might have a few discs here, some figures there, but the number of people that really count (the freak "whales") is actually fucking tiny.
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>>111546296
I don't think western VNs would be really good, simply because western values have been polluted by feminism.

If you had a western VN all the girls would have tattoos and piercings, all of them would have past relationships and none of them would be virgins, half of them would have had abortions being done on them, another half would be addicted to drugs and NTR while out partying.
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>>111546431
I wasn't shitting on steam, I just think its really stupid how gaming went from an incredibly expensive hobby, and leapfrogged over everything else on the affordability scale.
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>>111546314
I was about to ask you about that. Anyway this thread is weird, I've never seen /a/ try to rationalize piracy.
I though most people here simply didn't care either way and that if you really wanted to "support the industry" you'd buy fights like figs like the people in buyfag threads.
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>>111546379
>Moral integrity doesn't feed the hungry and cure the sick.
Neither does degeneracy on its own.

>They also fell in the 20th century, which is shortly before the jump in QoL happened.
Which has nothing to do with a lack of monarchy.
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Maybe if it wasn't so fucking expensive people would have reason to buy it
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>>111546428
Usury is a sin.
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>>111546460
>If you had a western VN all the girls would have tattoos and piercings, all of them would have past relationships and none of them would be virgins, half of them would have had abortions being done on them, another half would be addicted to drugs and NTR while out partying.
I'd read a VN about that. Sounds like fun.
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>>111546608
why dont you just go outside and experience the real thing then?
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The anime industry suffers from the exact same shit the video game industry does.

>Limited publishers
>Easier to acquire piracy than legitimate source

The best thing I've seen so far is renting HD before fan subs can get out a 1080p sub release, but that is limited to very high profile anime.

I don't like it that Funimation is one of the few companies left that releases in the US.
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>>111546460

... you have never played a western VN, have you? A lot of indie stuff is decent, though the art is inferior.
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>>111546507
Not that anon, but I'm not into video-gaming and I don't get how Steam can work. The costs are too insanely cheap to return profits.
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>>111546642
Why on earth would I do that? That sounds horrible.

Not everybody self-inserts you know.
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>>111546525
My whole point is that the idea of having to support the industry is something straight out of /v/.

If people want to buy things let them buy things, but let them do so because they want the things, not because of a false sense of responsibility - or even worse - so they can show their friends online how awesome they are for supporting the industry and virtually get their cocks sucked for it, gain cool credits and next time they get in an argument they can bring up how great they are for supporting the industry so their argument must be the right onw.

The idea that piracy is wrong is utter nonsense and faggots who think so should get the fuck out because they clearly don't belong here.
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>>111546531
>trading things for mutual profit
>degeneracy
You should probably read a real economics book instead of Marx's fairy tales.
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>>111546681
steam only distributes digital copies which costs as much as hosting the servers for them does
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>>111546460
>I don't think western VNs would be really good, simply because western values have been polluted by feminism.

Who's saying that it won't be made by those like us for us?

Perhaps it could kickstart a community type thing (like katawa shoujo) and it would be an internal thing and distributed in private away from the eyes of normalfags who would try to taint it or impose their retarded restrictions on it.
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>>111546460
I can confirm, feminism is everywhere, no women is safe, all of them carry STDs, Rape whistles, and fatherless children, don't bother coming out of your bunker, brother.

>Neither does degeneracy on its own.
Again, this is just a phrase people hide behind. It has no real meaning.


>>111546596
I agree that dishonest lending should be illegal. But trying to prove a point using religion is silly.
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>>111546716
>Not everybody self-inserts you know.
Why are you bringing it up then? The discussion was about media for the purpose of being a romance surrogate.
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>>111546596
>mutually beneficial trading
>ursury
Nah.
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>>111537422
>>they lost money internationally from anime and manga that will never be localized.

And probably counted the losses using the inflated Japanese prices that the rest of the world's licensees wouldn't be able to charge.
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Most of these "losses" are hypothetical because the majority of these people wouldn't have bought this anime and manga if they didn't have the opportunity to pirate it.
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>>111546662
Please recommend a Western VN.
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>>111546681
Digital copies only and new, high profile games are sold at full price. You're just get things like AAA game (say Skyrim) for 10$ after a couple of years
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>>111546799
Not all VNs are like that.
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>>111544815

>facebook of gaming

Not really, your real identity isn't tied to it unless you want it to be and there aren't ads out the ass.

>b-but muh privacy

Seriously, who gives a fuck. It's only numbers to the people who collect the data.
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>>111546681
That's why every other online game has a hat shop nowadays. You can't get people to spend $10 on a game, but enough idiots will drop $100s on stupid cosmetics to impress their shitty friends that it all works out.
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>>111546730
>My whole point is that the idea of having to support the industry is something straight out of /v/.
Well I haven't been there since 2011 but I agree. This is the kind of discussion /v/ has.
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>>111546681
GOG is even better. Not even a hint of DRM but might be subject to change later with their new platform.
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>>111546681
Steam gets a cut of every sale, developers get cheap and easy publishing, and advertising. No cost of production because everything is digital. It is owned by valve and started with their already famous games, eventually it snowballed to where almost every serious gamer at least has a steam account increasing the effectiveness of the model even more. They can afford to be cheap because it means exponentially more sales than if they were normally priced.
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>>111546736
I'm not referring to Marx, I'm referring to Pope Innocence II.
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>>111546681
Most of the games on sale are games that have been available for a while; they've made all their initial sales, most of the investment has been made back, so reducing prices prolongs sales and generates more income. They also get people spending which usually leads people into making other purchases.
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>>111546931
Leave the thread while you can. It's going to get worse.
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>>111546871
>>111546752
That business model makes a lot of sense. This could also work for old anime without new physical releases.
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>>111546873
Again: the discussion was about media as a romance surrogate, so the VNs that aren't like that don't apply.
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pretty sure if I bought every single anime and manga I read/watch in a year, it would cost more than every expensive I have combined.
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>>111546296
the west would never be able to make perfect waifu simulators like Japan, because we're to infected with SJW-discourse (see the direction Games are heading), whereas Grorious Nippon simply continues to not give a fuck and unabashedly panders to ronery nerds
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>>111546771
If Katawa Shoujo quality is the shit we will get I'm not interested in western VNs ever becoming a thing.
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>>111547028
But you don't have to view the example you made as a romance surrogate.
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>>111546921
>Not really, your real identity isn't tied to it unless you want it to be and there aren't ads out the ass.
It's all tied to your real identity somehow. Your payment data most definitely identifies you.

>Seriously, who gives a fuck. It's only numbers to the people who collect the data.
A short sighted point of view. Collection of data always poses a risk.
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>>111546827

I don't really care what businessmen do until the put an injection well full of benzine into my water supply and make my sink shoot literal fire.

Business can be a real shit sometimes.
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>>111546957
This is getting ridiculous, do you really expect yourself to be taken seriously when every point you make eventually falls back to religion? If you can't support your opinion using logic then don't bother trying to argue with us. In fact,

>>>/pol/
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>>111536789
>Sell anime for 1 trillion JPY / episode
>2 episodes are pirated
>HELP WE'RE LOSING MONEY

I'm exaggerating a little to show my point.
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>>111547096
It was all under that premise though. Look how the discussion started.
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>>111546837

Cinders, Leviathan: the last day of the decade and Re: Alistair (save for that shitty, shitty art) are decent.

If you want eroges, I can't help you though.
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>>111540073
Additionally, sometimes it's pacing and trying to avoid the oversaturation that happened in the last boom/bust cycle.

Possibly also opportunism. If they buy the license, but then don't spend any money translating/dubbing/producing and don't have to pay per-copy royalties, it didn't actually cost them too much.
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>>111546837
Gone Home
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>>111546795
Meant to also quote >>111546531
For the degeneracy bit.
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>>111546957
Why didn't you refer to Proudhon instead? It'd make you more credible.
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>>111547138

>anon, we recieved a notification from the US spy agency that says you downloaded loli semen storm 2, care to explain?

How's that tin foil hat?
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>>>/v/
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>>111546373
The niche the cheap boxsets filled will be replaced with people who pay for streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll, or Funimation. It's already happened. Physical media is on its way out for everyone but a niche group of collectors, so there's no reason not to price them so prohibitively expensive.

And the ADV crash was back when Western companies licensed everything for home video. They did this because right before the crash anime licensing was extremely profitable, but then the bubble burst. Funi and Sentai are hardly hanging on because they bargain bin mostly everything. It gave them short-term profits after the crash but there isn't much you can do to improve sales when customers balk at any increases from the absolute minimum price you can offer. The number of customers for their licensed discs declined because people stopped caring about owning physical media.
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>Comparing the anime industry to the Vidya industry

Stop that.

Even if you think people should support the game industry, the situation with the anime industry isn't comparable because anime isn't readily available at a fair price.

>>>/v/
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>>111542862
For a streaming website (netflix/huly/crunchyroll) I wouldn't mind paying the amount that they offer but I don't do it because I can get it for free. If they banned all illegal file sharing I would pay up what I owe as long as it is reasonable.

As for actual purchases, I would pay at least $20-$25 dollars for a full season of an anime. Maybe half of a season depending on whether it is good or not. The problem is that most anime aren't worth buying. They are worth a download, a quick watch, and then you delete them off your computer as if they were never there. I only own seven complete anime series/movies on DVD. I had more but I sold them. I would love to have LOGH or Mononoke but they will never be legally subbed and sold here.

>>111544490
This guy gets it.

>>111543507
Fuck extras and bonus material. Never understood the hardon people get for that kind of think. Would never dream of paying $60 for 12 episodes. For 100+ episodes I would consider it, but there is only one series that would be worth that to me.
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>>111546662
>you have never played a western VN
ahaha, this goy.
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>>111547518
>>>/pol/
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>>111546771
>(like katawa shoujo)
it is disgusting. even the shittiest actual VN is better than this oelvn.
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Dubs.
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>>111536789
who the fuck watches keion with other people
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>>111547399
>people stopped caring about owning physical media.
>Physical media is on its way out for everyone but a niche group of collectors, so there's no reason not to price them so prohibitively expensive.

This is just plain depressing.

Physical media now, physical media forever.
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>>111546608
Then you'll love HuniePop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGPYxpPt6Q
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>It can't be helped

The irony.
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Nihongos actually caring about the rest of the world will further harm anime in the end.
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>>111547651
>that dialogue
>that voice acting
Oh boy.
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>>111536789


Supporting the industry =/= Buying

This is exactly why nobody buy anime anymore. The companies want loads of money making generic SHIT because all otakus buy "Deep anime with Oedipus puzzles " or "schoolgirls suffering".

That's not surprising. Meanwhile we need more simulcasts in Toonami (No dandy-shit or Reruns of Naruto, DBZ, Bleach, or Bepop), especially when it's an opportunity to start broadening their marketbase because most people who don't watch animu online
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>>111547800
Yes. This is exactly why their anime and video games in general are shit. The minute they stop trying to appeal to the west and go back to basics (the very shit that got small groups of Westerners to become interested in their products in the first place) the better off they will be.
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>>111547626
I don't consider myself a collector, but I like owning physical media. At least when its games and movies. Even if steam is cheap, and movies are readily available, I like the sense of ownership, and the guarantee that I am in control of when I can use what I own.

>end blogshit
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>>111547318
If you think that's out of question then you're simply naive.

The German police made "pink lists" during the time of German Empire, listing people who were suspected of being homosexuals. Guess what happened to the people who found themselves on said lists after the Nazis took over.

What today is legal may tomorrow become illegal. What today is legal but barely socially acceptable may be used as an argument in court against you in order to convict you of something else, or it may be used to harass you, get a search warrant, etc.
If you think it was a good thing that data was collected on you, if you think it didn't matter and that you shouldn't care, then you're an idiot.

I'm not saying you should live like a hermit and not use any technology, but when you do, please be at least be aware that you're being fucked in the ass and don't pretend like it was a good thing or it doesn't matter because you greased it up well enough and you actually like the feeling of being penetrated by huge nigger dicks with aids.
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>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion

What a bunch of bullshit, this assumes people would buy all the animu if they didn't download it
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>>111544208
You're not too good with percentages and cakes, are you?
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>>111547970
I agree, but right now theres nothing anyone can do. We have a good supreme court atm, so if people took the case to them, I think we'd have a chance, but people with money need to give a fuck first.
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>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion

They aren't losing any money, because we 'pirates" were never going to pay any money regardless.
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>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion

thats like 6 bakemongatari disks and 3 character CDs
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>>111548096
We can at least complain on the internet. If people complain it at least means that they're realising that things aren't going in the right direction. And maybe someone reads it who's more motivated than us who actually decides to do something about it.
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>>111547861
this isn't like my chinese fapgames at all ;_;
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>>111547951
>and the guarantee that I am in control of when I can use what I own.

Exactly. The guy Razorfist on youtube can break it down more eloquently than I but the very idea that eventually companies will have the ability to simply take away your manga, your games, your music, your books, and your anime with the snap of their fingers is disturbing.

I don't consider myself a collector either, but I still buy DVDs, CDs, books, comics, manga, and video games that cannot just be downloaded or locked onto one computer. I like being able to read or play or listen to what I want when I want to with or without an online connection. Companies want to take that away from me and that is a big problem. It will only go downhill from here.

>>111548126
However some of those "pirates" illegally downloaded material and liked it so much that they wound up buying legitimate copies in the end anyway. Also that quick online availability wound up being free advertisement for other products and services that people such as myself wound up paying for as well. Not all online pirating is bad. I wish the companies could see that. There are cds I would have never purchased if it were not for someone's illegal upload of a copy to mediafire or youtube.
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>>111548302
It really isn't, but my curiosity is too great to not try it out.
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>>111548361
I agree with the second part of your post. I've ended up buying figures and other merch.
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>>111548302
What's the matter nerd? Feeling threatened because these women are too real for you?
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>>111548361
I find it funny that for all the anti-faceless corp attitude so many people on the internet have, they're still so insanely naive and unaware to how vulnerable almost everyone is leaving themselves, one day corps are going to have the capability to control every aspect of life if people let them. Most corps don't really care about piracy at all, because they know in the long run, it doesn't affect them too much.
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>>111548361
>the very idea that eventually companies will have the ability to simply take away your manga, your games, your music, your books, and your anime with the snap of their fingers is disturbing.
This.

I also see piracy as a huge cultural archive.

I mean - where do you still get old games that aren't being sold any more? Only on the piratebay and similar websites. Where would that cultural content go if piracy websites weren't around.

I saddens me that the music industry has killed so much in that regard. Piracy websites were great sources to find out about new bands, which often didn't even distribute outside of their countries or whose records were all sold out already. And of course they're not on itunes, amazon, etc. either.
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>>111548361
>There are cds I would have never purchased if it were not for someone's illegal upload of a copy to mediafire or youtube.
This. There's been so many albums I've bought because somebody put it on youtube or something.
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>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).

I download every interesting show every single season and I've been doing this since FTPs / IRC --> Direct Connect / Kazaa/others etc. Torrents and direct download have sure made it easier though.

I also own over 7500 USD worth of anime VHS/DVD/BDs.

In short, I don't give a fuck. Corporate crybaby numbers can go fuck themselves.
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Literally every anime/manga fan has pirated.

There's people like us who download all of our shit, but there's also morons who use online readers and streaming sites. But for some weird reason, the morons don't consider streaming or online readers to be illegal. It's a really weird double standard.

There are people who believe free streaming is perfectly fine but downloading the same product is bad.
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>>111536789

>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S. and 12% in Japan, are watching or reading pirated works.


People born in 2000 have a childhood blessed with anime: they watch free in YouTube(sub) and watchcartoononline (dub)
Of course, they buy mangas in Amazon or EBay; because all those animes are an ad for the manga versión.
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>>111536789
>Xenophobic hypocrites that doesn't want to localized shit is surprised that everyone is pirating their work into a much more international-friendly form

that's like saying I can hurt MCDonald's profit just because I tried making fried chicken for my own need...

Also making manga for japanese audience ONLY then suddenly count piracy of manga outside japan as lost sale?
holy shit that overstretching things!
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>>111549044
>Also making manga for japanese audience ONLY

I hate you people who get mad about this. What purpose would mangakas have to try and be more "American" with their works?
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>>111548361
>wound up buying legitimate copies
That would be me.

I would have never gotten into the whole anime/manga thing without piracy. I may have bought the three licensed Apocalypse Meow tanks at best. I'm currently wasting $500 monthly on manga and merchandise, the store I used to buy license DVDs from went bellyup.

I would probably still have been unemployed without this hobby.
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>>111536789
If Japan would stop using fax machines, they might realize that the world has moved on and there's a large market out there on the internet. If they bothered localizing stuff and selling it at a bargain, they might actually make some fucking money.
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>>111549117
He isn't getting mad about it, he's just saying that if they only target a single audience, they shouldn't be mad when they don't make profits among other audiences.
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>>111544848
>>111545036
>>111545509
This is nothing new, DVDs used to cost $30-50 each. Same with VHS before that. I have a few VHS with 39.99 stickers on them still. Convert that to modern money and what do you get?

>$40 in 1990 has the same purchasing power as $75.22806 in 2014.
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>>111543658
Can confirm, the Air Force is full of weebs. The Air Force sent me to Japan, where I ate based curry and bought some book with pretty anime women in the cover with moon letters that I could not read.

It was cool.
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>>111544848
>comparing bluray to dvd

Whats wrong with you
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Am I the only one here who pirates because I can and will continue doing so because I can? When I do buy things, like BDs or figs, I do it because I wanted those things not for some moralfag reasons.

The amount of people in this thread who self identify as the victims is shocking to me.
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>>111549129
>Anime and Manga improving someones life.

Well isn't that just heartwarming.
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>>111549557
Same here. I've no excuse, I could definitely afford all the things I pirate, but it's just way too convenient and hassle-free for me to ever stop.
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>>111544739
I really wish I could control who sees what and divide shit

I don't want to add internet friends in case they harass family or try to find out my real identity.
I have to set everything to private. Meanwhile everyone is pestering me to see my inventory that I have to drop the private tag to show.
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If piracy became impossible I'd just keep working on my vidya backlog... on my PS2 backlog.
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>>111542862
Why is weeb shit so expensive in Japan anyway?
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>>111549557
I think most people do this.
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>>111550087
Niche market, obsessive fans make the demand inelastic.
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>>111545359
>Believe it or not, companies aren't stupid enough to fold to this kind of pressure if it risks their profit margin.
oh anon, you're so cute
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>>111536789
I almost find it kind of amusing, how many of the more prolific sites are hosted by Europeans. A market largely ignored by the anime industry.
Yet the industry is now trying to go after them in an attempt to stop piracy, and save the American market. While still giving no shits whatsoever about the European market. The host to many of these sites they want to get rid of.
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Funfact: In Sweden a harddrive or rewritable dvd are "taxed" with an extra piracy fee because you can potentially store pirated material on them. The extra money is taken and distributed to artists to compensate for their "loss" as a result of the piracy.
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>>111551070
this is fucking retarded
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>>111551070
Really? Wow.
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If the price floor was mildly lower I would probably buy a lot of manga instead of strictly from going-out-of-business sales.
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>>111551070
Ah, Sweden. Always so pussywhipped.
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>>111536789
>estimated

no one would have fucking heard of any of that animes.
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>>111545504
>and the audience is more mature this time around.
Surely you can't be serious.
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>>111551070
>A private copying levy (also known as blank media tax or levy) is a government-mandated scheme in which a special tax or levy (additional to any general sales tax) is charged on purchases of recordable media. Such taxes are in place in various countries and the income is typically allocated to the developers of "content". (A distinction is sometimes made between "tax" and "levy" based on the recipient of the accumulated funds; taxes are received by a government, while levies are received by a private body, such as a copyright collective.)

At least use the correct terms instead of "airquoting".
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>>111542784
How would you like it if all your office chairs were drafted for use by overweight drone operators?
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>>111551070
Fucking Sweden man
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>>111551070
It exists in France too.
It's just a way to give more money to music companies.
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>>111551202
When the proposition was accepted, it was actually to make piracy legal.
But then some years later it became illegal anyway, but the tax stayed. I don't really know what to say about that.
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>>111551750
Sounds retarded. Pirate levy while piracy is illegal? That is fucking ridiculous.
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

$20 billion USD is probably bullshit
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They're gaining money by not cracking down in murrika and yurop. The only thing costing them money is chinks releasing pirated discs and japs downloading raws from torrent sites.
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>>111544351
You do know that its owned by a legit neckbeard right?
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>>111552528
Yes, and?
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>>111552528
So what? I plan on doing something similar very soon, minus all the painting though they creep me out
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>>111544825

That's a pretty good deal, though. That makes most worthwhile series ~ 24 dollars.
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>>111552813
>minus all the painting
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>>111545359
>Believe it or not, companies aren't stupid enough to fold to this kind of pressure if it risks their profit margin.

Some of them are.
They have a huge fear of online liberal campaigns. There is a reason so many of them have "Corporate citizenship" departments.
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>>111540441
We wot m8? Are you sure you live in Europe?
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>>111544572
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>>111553875
I can't speak for other countries but France is the largest Otaku market after Japan. I'm guessing that Italy and Germany aren't far behind.
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>>111544244
My african brethren.
Nice dubs.
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If we're talking about piracy and copyright, this is the right article for you guys!

https://torrentfreak.com/copyright-monopoly-dead-buried-already-140803/

Yep, hentai artists and normal artists don't get a lot of money with this. Only if they sell their own works in their own websites or in amazon style.
Mostly of money goes for publishers or studios.

FUCK YOU, FAKKU!
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>>111547651
Please nuke the west
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How do they even come up with those estimates?

Does it only include people who download? Or does it also include retards who stream? I'd be surprised if the actual figure from people in the US wasn't much higher.
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>>111550087
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05 This three-part series explains it fairly well. A pretty good read as well.
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>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).

Why hasn't anyone pointed out that the estimated loss is like 100 times the size of the Anime/Manga market?

Hilarious.
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>>111544739
>not having a screencap of an h-manga as your avatar

step it up
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>>111553444
meh, It wasn't too long ago we had the same shit from a different direction, you know all those annoying christian/conservative pressure groups, I don't give a fuck, let the ideologues bully and boycott each other so the market can decide "who's right"
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>>111536789
It wouldn't be so high if they didn't over charge for anime. Some averaging out to around $20 an episode is over priced as fuck.
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>>111552528
sysadmin of gensokyo is a cool guy
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Is it wrong to have a CR account if you only use it to (barely) support the industry?

I can't afford any bds, figs, or any other overpriced shit.
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>>111554685
>Is it wrong to have a CR account
Yes.
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>>111554685
Yes. Save money you'd spend on CR for figs or BDs instead.
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>>111554685
Do what you will.
If the industry collapses because someone who isn't the target audience doesn't buy their overpriced shit it isn't an industry worth supporting.
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>>111544742
That's poor math, since suing for amount of money is suing for total damages, not a single download. $380,000 if the song was normally sold for $1 and downloaded a million times is actually undervaluing it.

just saying, this infographic makes my autism come out
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>>111554260
>How do they even come up with those estimates?

some genius simply adds up all the torrent-downloades and videoplayer-views and multiplies those numbers with the price for a legal purchase, voila. (because that's totally how it works with piracy in the real world)

To be honest though, they are not as naive as they are cynical - they use these bullshit stats just to impress lawmakers and guilt-trip consumers
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>>111553987
Greece: What the FUCK is an anime?
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>>111554685
>supporting a bunch of greedy backstabbing faggots that sold out and turned on all the people that helped them exist in the first place
>is it wrong?
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>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
As fucking if I would ever throw a penny's way toward 80% of the stuff I've watched illegally, and none are deserving of the total cost of JP BD ownership.
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>>111536789
there's a lot of stuff that never comes here anyway, so how are they losing money if there wasn't a market here in the first place?
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>>111545038
If you followed the quote chain back you'd realize that I'm talking a licensed streaming service. Anon said they had no way to watch legally. I told them about one way, and a free one at that.

Another poster replied to me saying that any stream that allows you to view something outside your region is piracy. That is absolutely not correct.
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>>111554579
to be fair though, is it still "over-charging" if their core constituency of hardcore jap otaku seems readily willing to pay that price ?

They don't really care about poor little Johnny Foreigner (the occasional anti-piracy initiative nonwithstanding), their basic business model centers almost exclusively on those few thousand native "whales"
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>>111536789
>>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
Mind you this is an estimation. There is no way to prove loss of sales regarding people who probably weren't gonna be customers to begin with.
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>>111554685
having a CR account supports the industry about as much as making a waifu worshipping shrine page on facebook
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This is where every argument against piracy falls flat: the people who are pirating aren't taking away any money at all. They aren't stealing BDs that you made. They aren't stealing physical manga that you printed. In fact original pirates SO buy those thing with moneya nd the company makes their profit. Then what happens is that they take that thing that they bought, copy it, and share it with others. But all the arguments against piracy treat these others as if they were stealing physical copies of the same physical things. It's just stupid and wrong. Even more hilarious is that they come up with "estimations" like this that take their guess about how many things have been pirated and just multiply that buy the cost to come up with ridiculously huge numbers for "lost profits." Again, retarded and wrong. Not all of those people are going to buy the thing if the free copy didn't exist, in fact, I'd be willing to bet, yes to guess, that most of them wouldn't.
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if it wasn't for piracy I probably wouldn't even know what anime/manga was
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>>111555683
But surely you would be buying BDs if nyaa torrents didn't exist!
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>>111555763
BDs are shit.
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>>111555658
I mean I also think it's retarded and wrong but the companies aren't charging for the paper and ink / disks and boxes, they're charging for the data on those materials, which are normally charged for, which is being given away.

What you're saying is basically like letting people that don't buy tickets into a theme park isn't stealing from the company because they didn't physically steal a ticket out of the box office, and someone who bought one ticket and threw it over the turnstiles to their friends means the company got their money.

There isn't visible damage but there is revenue they "should" have made that just isn't there.
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shitty "guardian" site that redirects us to subhuman scum middleman businesses that drain profit and originality from the anime industry

vs.

"angels of anime" site that directs us to official donation buttons for each studio
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>>111556182
>"angels of anime" site that directs us to official donation buttons for each studio
I would donate.
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>>111536789
shut up you would still pirate
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>>111545541
As shit as streaming can be this anon has a point. I've nearly dropped pirating anime after Crunchyroll. Sure the quality drops to shit and they fuck up the encoding so the episodes won't play for 2 hours to 6 days after they put them up, but it's easy and doesn't take up space on my hard drive. Crunchyroll actually keeps up with some of the new releases too. It helps if you like shounenshit and other hyped shows.
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>>111536789
>JPY 2 sheckellion

heh
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>>111555969
Not really, because in that case the person is still taking up a seat on the rides and shit. (Plus one could argue is still spending money in the park on food and souvenirs) A better analogy is someone building another theme park based on the legit one. You could claim anyone going to this knock off park would have instead gone to the real one and represents a lost customer, but that isn't necessarily true. Plus, if you follow this line of thought to its logical conclusion, any competition is the same as theft. All those people drinking pepsi would otherwise be drinking coke, after all.
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>>111546188
I would assume so. I have a habit of buying shit I like and just having it sit on the shelf. 50-75% of my BD collection hasn't been played.

I'm nearly 100% sure Sentai still uses yellow.
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>>111536789
Anime in the west will live and die in piracy, in fact I could make a case that without piracy even today, there would be no market whatsoever in the west.
People who think there is a way to make westerners magically pay for the shit Japan churns out these days are deluded. Sure if somehow piracy got shut down overnight there would be some who'd flock to legal venues like CR, but way more people would just find a new vice, to the point where almost no one would still be watching. The few who continue will find themselves stuck in a shrinking niche that no one else cares about, and that would be the end of it.
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>>111559615
This.
My knees are feeling a bit better, so if anime and fansubbing died (as in real dead, not just "It's happening" type dead), I'd probably go back to skateboarding
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>>111559615
Thinking about this possible reality scares me equally as much as hard drive failure
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Another manga archive download site announced it was closing. Those who knew of the site should hopefully have downloaded the mangas. It hosted downloads for commercial mangas and scanlated commercial manga.

http://crazytje.be/
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>>111536789
>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S
50% buy anime? Color me surprised.
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>>111560494
Maybe people who watch it on TV count for those 50%
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>>111560166
Someone in the chat posted a mirror earlier:
ftp://ctorkildson.com/CrazysManga/

Shame it's dying, it was a great site.
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>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
Is this like the estimate that piracy has cost the entertainment industry several times the GDP of the Earth?

If people in America and Europe weren't able to pirate anime, they wouldn't watch it. Simple as that. Look at /a/, many of the shows we watch are never even released in the West.
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if you buy localized anime blu-rays, youre buying censored shit and youre fucking retarded.

http://m.imgur.com/a/avIx2
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>>111540441
Feels even better to be a chink. We get more shit translated officially and even at a faster rate. Kadokawa even has their own Taiwanese branch.
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>>111551070
not only in sweden, there are many countries in the EU that have similar "taxes".

In austria and germany its called "künstlerabgabe" you have to pay for every data medium (CD, DVD, HDD, USB sticks and even fucking satellite receivers).

It for fucking feeding talentless artists that live from the state, and of course a huge junk of that goes to the "copyright holders" aka the big media companies.

So fuck it, it already pay for this shit even when I am not pirating.
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If a service like CR existed, but with downloads I'd totally pay for it. Even if it was expensive like 30-40 a month.
I also buy a lot of manga. If it is localized in the states and isn't out of print I'll read it by buying it. Between that and figures I do my share of supporting the industry. Yes western manga sales do support the artist. If any of you fucks remember in Bakuman Takagi was gonna take a little break from manga or something and he mentioned to Kaya that they have royalties from overseas sales to support them for the time being.
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>>111553987
>largest Otaku market in the west
Fixed that for you. The chinese speaking community (Mainland china, hongkong and taiwan combined) is way bigger.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Taiwan alone would be bigger globally after Japan.
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>>111545675
Holy fucking shit, it's gonna be a mexifujo carnival
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>>111561580

>comparing peasant country and peasant island to the UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA

We've been the biggest consumer market for the past fifty years and we'll be the biggest consumer market for the next fifty years. Either accept our consumer demands or watch your domestic industry die.
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>>111562873
Is this a serious post? I can't tell.
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>>111562961
Muricans. It can't be helped.
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>>111541611
>paying for a lower quality when a higher quality version exists for free in a better format
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>>111546178
>crime edge
>terrible

Kill yourself
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>>111563521
It was pretty bad.
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Because importing shits in a third rate country is a major pain in the ass, also fuck the jewpanese for overpricing everything.
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Without penalties that work, people will keep on pirating because $0.00 is the best price. One artist observed that people will steal unless you have a deterrent.

http://torrentfreak.com/punish-music-pirates-with-finger-amputations-artist-says-140731/
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>>111563985
She didn't observe anything; she's just a nutcase who is so egotistical to think that other people's should be cut off because they download one of her songs.
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>>111563985
Implying this bitch has never downloaded anything illegally off the internet.
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>buying anime

it's just not smart. $30 for 2 episodes?

LOL
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>>111536904
This. Do they assume foreigners will import $120 blurays?
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>>111564347
The first time I bought anime it was a DVD of Baccano for 30$. I didn't even consider reading what was on the back of the box and went home to realize that it only contained 4 episodes. That's 90$ for a show for fuck's sake.

Which is weird because there was a full box-set of Noein next to it that cost 50$ for twice the amount of episodes.
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>>111565047
Different companies have different policies for oversea publishing. Some of them sell stuffs cheaper outside of Japan.
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>Japan wants me to shell out 70 bucks to buy a bd with only 2 episodes on it

uh huh, yeah that shits not happening
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>>111565228
Aniplex BDs are just as expensive as they are in Japan.
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I'll start paying for anime the moment it isn't shit.

So... Never.
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>>111565575
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Even if blu-rays were cheaper, I still wouldn't buy them. The only physical media I buy are books and console games because I believe they are superior to their digital counterparts. I don't want junk like anime blu-rays and figures taking up precious space in my house, what a waste. I wish crunchyroll actually supported the industry, that way I could give them my money and not need to collect useless junk.
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>>111566398
What kind of cheap jew are you to pissed off that free anime you downloaded off the anime taking place in your $100 hard drive?
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>>111566242
Not that anon, but that statement was not bait at all.
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>>111566667
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>>111566667
Do you even read posts before you respond or is being retarded just a hobby?
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>>111546460

>I don't think western VNs would be really good, simply because western values have been polluted by feminism.

Sounds like someone's spent too much time on /v/.
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>>111567016
Actually, that sounds like a typical pan-4chan opinion. Many /a/nons have similar fears about anime and manga getting popular in the west and Japan staring to cater to them. That's why usually, when this kind of discussion is brought up people think it's a good thing that the anime market isn't big in the US.

The people who might disagree, are the /v/-types who only watch manly anime for manly men such as themselves.
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>>111560494
>>>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S

They probably just scraped the IP addresses from One Piece torrents, determined that 1/2 the IP addresses were in the US and ran with it.
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You know, I'd gladly pay monthly for a well put together, convenient streaming service for anime. The hard part is getting a large library, have airing shows uploaded on-time, and quality subtitles. Not to mention, 1080p.

The problem is, you can get it all for free.
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>>111568975
>1080p.
I suggest you download the 720p instead. All of 1080p is upsizing and takes up more space.
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>>111569077
Not if it's a properly remastered show on 35mm film.
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>>111542862
$5 for a tankoubon or a weekly magazine. $7/mo for a selection of ad-free streamed content or $40 for a 12-episode series on disc.
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>>111548927
>versión
I just saw this in a Youtube comment.
Is firefox fucking with me or do people actually put an accent mark in version?
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>>111569227
This. Also, a select few digitally-produced shows are animated in 1080p, like Nyaruko.
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>>111569356
Maybe he is Spanish and misspelled it.
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If Japan wants my buckaroonies, they need to enforce some kind of minimum accepted quality in their licensed works.

Translations from places like CR can range from decent to Holy Shit, did babelfish do this?

That's unacceptable.
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Isn't this more like an implied loss? They don't lose shit.
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>>111570544
That's why statistics like that are bullshit. They take the estimated number of downloads and multiply it by the market cost of the product, which makes an entirely erroneous assumption that, if ways to pirate something did not exist, every single person would buy the product instead of downloading it.
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>>111570544
>implied loss
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>>111570838
>>>/v/

Fuck that image is cancerous. Was it supposed to be funny?
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>>111570933
It is if you know Game Genies and what Loss is
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>>111570985
Only Game Genie I know was rival to Gameshark back in the day, not some shit-tier webcomic.

Again,
>>>/v/
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>>111570985
>It's funny if you're from /v/
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If I had to pay more than 10 bucks a month for anime, I would probably work on my VN backlog before I start watching anime again.
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>>111563123

I prefer to watch my stuff in HD, like seriously (no colour bleeding, banding issues, all of that shit) but you know that everybody is now shitting on /a/ for being such autists over quality?

Not just on /v/, but nearly any board. Someone will mention VLC, then someone summoning the gay spirit of Daiz will rip on him, and then will bring over 90 replies of people talking about how only '/a/ cares about that shit' and 'VLC is fine' and 'Eceryone on /a/ has legitimate autism over video quality'

Like I mean, really, if someone is so plebbish they don't care, it doesn't matter, but we gotta bust their balls so hard and post THAT macro everytime. We're becoming the fat fedora fag, soon people will tip their fedoras in our general direction.

In general, for most purposes, even people on /a/, the low quality isn't really an issue, and if I'm being honest, is not that noticeable to most. People like us can pick it out, yeah, it riles my OCD and autism right up there but Crunchyroll really isn't that bad. The biggest thing I dislike is their lack of titles, more from 2005 and before that would be nice, fixing up their sub font and colour, maybe hiring more translators to work on their stiff dialogue, but they're nowhere near as bad as Jewcob with their pricing and selection.

But, whatever though. And it's not really a good way to 'support' the industry with the pennies they throw but it's the best thing for 'legal' anime right now. Regardless, we now enjoy way more titles each season than before, and on fucking time too.
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>>111561880
>>111545675
>>111542466

Free is pretty popular, at least as far as the niche market goes.
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>>111569077
I do most of the time, but there are special cases like >>111569455.

Surprised there isn't a Steam-like platform for anime where you can download anime but there would be a DRM or whatever. It wouldn't completely solve the problem obviously, but it would rake in a lot of dough.

I imagine you can rent or buy shows, and there would be an option for season passes too, and you would be able to get the shows you bought the pass for for a discount later on.

You would also be able to access your library from anywhere.
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>>111573821

we need gabe
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>>111573821
I would do this. As long as I could use my media player of choice at least. I love steam, as a lot of the games I buy on there I don't need to have a physical copy of, and I don't need a physical copy of my anime collection.
Hell, maybe even add in some MAL type features (Info, list creator) and I"d be even more sold.
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>>111566242
>k-k-k- konnyaku!?
To contribute to this thread: Japanese business-men estimate loss based on profits from local ads, dvd-rights and product placement, and force those numbers on non-local casual fans, who only want to see the show- which locals get to see almost for free on tv?
>great at business
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>>111574229

In other words: japanese suck at business.

Unrelated note, down the south if you're not in mexico good luck trying to get your animu legally. Things like Kill la Kill and Shingeki no Kyojin would certainly stick here but Funimation doesn't want to invest in the region.
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>>111574196
Would you prefer this Steam-like service over a monthly subscription-based service like CR? If so, any specific reasons why? I can see both pros and cons for both.

However, anime is very different from games because, in a sense, you get more out of games than anime. A possible incentive to buying your cartoons like this is to sell them for dirt cheap. Pennies and dimes, quarters and dollars per season.
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>>111573821
I'd pay for anime if it was worth it.
It would have to be better than what we have now.
If it had all the shows I want in high quality and with the blu ray versions available later and I could use the player I wanted and it had nice features like a wishlist or watchlist it would be way better than what we have now, at least it would be more convenient and would make the service worth it.
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>>111574902
I just don't like streaming. Even if quality wasn't an issue I just like being able to use it offline, or being able to put on my tablet to watch while I'm on a long bus ride or something. Can't do taht with a streaming service.
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>>111575409
>Can't do taht with a streaming service.
I guess not. But how does Spotify do it? Is it some sort of firmware that won't let you rip the song? I think that would solve the problem quite nicely.
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>>111566398
>I wish crunchyroll actually supported the industry, that way I could give them my money and not need to collect useless junk.
Their prices are already pretty damn low considering they sub the majority of airing anime. Do you want their monthly fee to be higher so they could send more money to Japan?
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>>111575548
Could be a steam like service. You can only launch the video file from steam. And to make it awesome is you can select which video player you want steam to use. So you can use anything you want and steam is pretty much just a platform to use the video files.
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>>111575784
Going places, anon.
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>>111540073
>It's better that neither of us make money then he makes money
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>>111551070
>don't own a TV
>still have to pay for TV

10/10 Finland.
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If each downloaded anime series/episode equated to 1 meter, the amount of anime downloaded would travel around the world 16 times.

Am I doing it right?
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>>111536789
I support official physical releases.

I'll stop pirating shit when shit starts getting released WITH good translations, none of that Tokoypop guessing on shit and making up lines in Gundam manga. I'll give you my shekels when you bring me all of the Golden Boy manga completely uncensored and translated.
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>>111575573
- I want their translations to not be shit
- I want them to not fight with companies like FUNimation over rights to a show when it the other company is probably going to be giving it a home-video release
- I want their translations to not be shit
- I want them to stop streaming upscaled 720p and calling it 1080p
- I want their translations to not be shit
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>>111560166
>Torrent mirror
>192.56 GiB

At least they were smart. The ongoing Mangatraders and Sadpanda archives aren't this thorough.
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>>111575573
Most of the money goes to their staff.

It's the same thing as buying a song off iTunes. You might be spending $0.99 but the artist only sees $0.01 of that. The rest goes to people higher up the ladder.

Fuck yea, I'd pay a premium if the studio itself was guaranteed some of it. Hell, I'd pay for CR and just let it compound while I still pirated as long as a decent amount of money actually went to the studio. Paying for CR now is doing nothing more than filling their staffs' pockets.
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What DVDs/Blurays have you actually bought?

I have the Platinum collection of Eva and that's literally it.

What's the point of buying a physical medium if more than half the shows you watch dont even merit a full viewing let alone a second or third.
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>>111577792
Eureka Seven, I don't even have a DVD player. I watch all of them downloaded from the internet anyway.
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>>111577958
Arent cases like that exempt from copyright if you own the physical copy?
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>>111577792
Lain, Haganai/Next, PSG, FLCL, Captain Harlock (french dub though, grew up with it), Eva Rebuild 1.11/2.22, Ghost Stories, Initial D Stage 1, 2&3

safe for Harlcok and Ghost Stories, they're all Funi releases, though
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>>111577792
FLCL, Rebuild 1.11/2.22, Sora no Woto.
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>>111578340
>>111577958
>>111578403
I think DVD sales would still l be as scant even without a means to download.

Where I live, 3 episode releases can cost up to $30, and complete sets for up to $90.
That instantly places restraint on what you'd be willing to buy/watch based on your own sense of value for money as well as listing the majority of works as, "Not worth your time".
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>>111578968
I only buy full releases. I don't really mind paying a big price (60$ is my max, I'm gonna buy that NGE DVD set when I get a good amount of money though), anime is kinda niche, but shit like 30/40$ 2-3 episodes volumes is fucking crazy
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>Buying anime
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>>111579338
>Watching anime at all
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>>111540452
From what I found from reading Canada's laws, it's illegal to distribute copyrighted content but not illegal to acquire or use it for personal use.

Therefore, I don't think that it's actually illegal for Canadians to watch copyrighted anime as long as I don't torrent.
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>>111579338
Jokes aside, you're right though.
Why should we? Why should anyone?
Why continue to fuel such an obsessive and low brow medium?
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>>111579663
I don't want to rely on my harddrives, I have internet caps (seasonal stuff busts it, so stuff from past season is way over the limit) and I like physical medias better
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How do people still conceive of piracy as actually costing corporations real money? How do people still think like that, in this day and age?
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>>111579926
Copyright Maths
http://youtu.be/GZadCj8O1-0
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>>111579926
It's clever PR used to incite guilt and seeming loss on people possibly partaking in piracy.

It's a simple guilt trip.
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>>111572407
>Implying /a/ gives a shit about what the retard plebs on other boards think
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>>111579926
It's like saying film production companies are losing billions of dollar because they air movies on television.
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>>111544572

These actually seem like really decent prices. I would gladly pay $1 an episode for a digital download, especially when it's tied to my Steam account.

$20 for a movie is bullshit, though.
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>>111580431
paying per episode is even worse than fucking CR
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>Piracy wouldn't be so bad if Japan would have translated anime and manga and sold to countries outside of theirs
Naw, pirating would remain as hot and heavy as it is now. Certainly no one on /a/ would change their ways.
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>>111580431
>I would gladly pay $1 an episode for a digital download

Then do it. Pay up, but don't ask me to do the same.
I'd rather find a better hobby.
Current Anime are not worth any money. At all.
Just imagine paying money to watch one episode of Guitly Crown. Also, some anime are so bad the creators would actually need to pay me to make me watch it, not even for free.
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As long as I can still access all the content I would like to view for free I don't give a fuck.
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>>111580740

I'm not saying you have to, man. I'm a vehement supporter of piracy. I'm just saying, I would enjoy being able to properly own a copy of a series I really enjoyed. I mean, heck, I probably wouldn't even buy a copy of the series until I watched it through pirating, first. I mean, how many people buy AAA $60 games on Day 1 without giving it a test drive?

I'm just saying, I think it'd be cool if there was an actual good system of buying anime in the West that doesn't rip you off and actually supports the industry. Not saying you have to participate it in, or anything. Just sayin'.

I will always be opposed to attempts to shut down piracy, though, no matter what legal routes there are to acquire artistic, cultural, and entertainment works. Piracy, as far as I'm concerned, is necessary for the continuation of freedom of knowledge and freedom of thought. Without piracy, corporations basically have full control over what we can know and what we can think. Piracy allows people to freely spread knowledge, so that anybody who wants it can have it.

But, I would still like to support the people who make anime I like, at the very least.
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>>111544572
Being able to purchase movies would be great. I would've bought all the Madoka Movie BD's, but they're too fucking expensive for what you get.

>>111580431
But charging per episode is a horrid idea. The only reason you'd charge per episode is if:
>The show is currently airing, and you don't want to commit to buying the whole season/cour of the show.
>It's dirt cheap
The first episode of a show must be free though.
>>111580740
>Current Anime are not worth any money. At all.

Mostly true, but there are exceptions. Whether because the anime is really good, or it's so bad it's good (Mahouka)

The more I talk about this stuff though, the crazier it all seems. It would kill the way people watch anime and probably the whole "culture" itself.
>>111580791
Honestly, I don't see that changing within our lifetimes.
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>>111581026
> they're too fucking expensive for what you get.
Because the digital version wouldn't be as expensive?
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>>111580740
We should have the option of donating. Like there is a little paypal button on the page and you can make an optional gift to the studio. That way you can watch the whole series first and, if you decide you like it, go back to the last ep's page and donate a little something. Or donate as you go if you want to feel like you're paying your dues.

Also somewhat related, people seem to forget that anime is on fucking television in Japan; it is just a part of their network selection aside from a few special pay channels almost no one uses. So it is practically free to watch it already on its natural medium in Japan. That's why the piracy rate in Japan is so low, because it's fucking redundant to need to go download it on the internet because you just set your DVR to record it on your TV; you could rip it off of your DVR later if you wanted to keep it, also practically for free unless you try to figure out how much you are paying per channel with your TV programming.
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>>111581363
If it was $20 like in the image, I wouldn't mind.
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>>111581444
>implying it would be 20$

It's gonna be as expensive as the BDs
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>>111577792
Akira, Nausicaa and The girl who leapt through time. No way in hell I am paying the extortionate rates for only one season of an anime. Fucking jews those bastards are
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I can't afford anything let alone anime.
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>>111577792
Bootleg Aria.

The subs were complete utter shit.
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>>111572407
Well VLC and streaming are fine for plebs and I won't force them to change if they really don't want to.

There is the convenience factor that shouldn't even matter because of how little effort it takes to use to download or a better media player so you have that.
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>>111543493
>>111543715
I can attest to this. Also I've been in Japan for 3 years and counting now. Not an office monkey though as I do construction.
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>>111582077
>not giving Aria the respect it deserves by buying the real thing.
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