Lets have a meditation thread
I have a few questions for /x/. So I recently got back into meditation. I do vipassana and concentration meditation.
When doing concentration (samatha) I reach a state where I feel very focused, relaxed and an orgasmic feeling envelops me. This only recently started happening and when I think about it it is quite bizarre. Could this be access concentration or the first Jhana?
I'm interested in what people experience when they enter Jhana. For those that don't know there are supposedly 8 Jhanas, or states of absoprtion, that you can enter through concentration meditation (which is different from the more common mindfulness meditation).
What is the first Jhana like? Is it true you can experience other realms/lives in higher Jhanas?
More importantly, just post any experiences/questions you guys have with meditation
I got a question.
I have never really meditated by myself, except a few guided meditations off youtube. When I did them, I honestly don't feel like I was doing it right, since my experience if it was that I was merely lying down and listening to a voice and somewhat visualualizing energy inside my body. I have someone close to me who a few times have gotten me to meditate together with her, and she's been doing vipassana and chakra meditations and such, talking about experiencing orgasms in every single cell of her body etc.
I'm wondering if there's something I'm just not getting, since my experiences is just calmness and knowing that I'm sitting still, breathing, and that I think about meditation quite a lot, but can't seem to be interested enough to actually start practicing it.
How do I into, and what should a beginner expect to find in order to determine that I'm actually meditating?
Hey senpai. I practice hindu tantra.
The first jhana (or samadhi, i suppose theu are the same thing) i enter feels this way:
I focus on mu deity and keep repeating the mantra. Then at one moment i feel "sucked" backwards slightly. This causes me to see my mindspace as if i were watching from cinema. Increases my visualisation ability, and makes my face feel sorta numb. The numb feeling in the face is caused by a feeling as if my eyes were inside my head and i saw/felt my face from the inside of my head. Its a strange feeling, and goes away if i conciously note that its there.
The second stage is when i can significantly feel my nadi system. Usually it is only the surya and chandra nadi. This alows me to feel the individual smaller nadis also but to a lesser extent. Im usually inable to feel sushuma.
The third is when, well there isnt much to say about it. I loose the feeling of the earlier mentioned and any feeling of bidy at all. It more blisfull than anything else. I experience a white light/just emptyness filled to the edges with something. But there are still thoughts and i can continue concentrating on my deity.
Didnt go further.
The vipassana method is a recent development and not part of the types of meditation practiced and perfected for thousands of years.
If you feel lightheaded or other strange things and feelings start coming up, you're generally deviating from meditation. If you're thinking too much about how you're feeling or reacting to it, whether good or bad, you're straying from being aware of what's actually going on and getting infatuated with various illusions.
The first jhana generally involves a sense of well-being with the absence of gross thought-activity. The deeper jhanas don't really feel like anything - there's breath, bodily feelings, whatever else might be going on, but there's no judgment and no sense of witnessing events, of "I" being there. Eventually they're not differentiated at all. It's a place beyond self, beyond time, utterly serene. It's not transcendent or fantastical, doesn't involve feelings of grandeur or whatever, it's just very quiet and calm in its simplicity.
You should not try to determine anything or strive towards something, just let those types of thoughts settle and keep practicing. Whether the meditation is there or not, whether it feels right or wrong, you're still there, practicing, not getting swayed. It should not matter to you. That's a good attitude to have.
very nice, I've never tries hindu tantra but I'd like too. Do you know of any online resources to help get started?
for those interested, these are the 8 Jhanas according to the Pali scriptures in Buddhism, but I'm sure they are basicaly the same no matter your type of practice
Also, I'm pretty confident I can reach first Jhana, but haven't moved up to second. Any tips on this?
try David Magone 15 minute meditation. He's a yoga instructor but his directions in both yoga and meditation are very clear and concise. I've had ADHD my whole life and while its not that severe it still makes meditating near impossible, until I found this guy.
Not sure how to say it, but I never really looked nto any meditation guide, mostly because they ten to lead to religious stuff.
But when I focus my thoughts, I can make like something inside my body pass through the bones. When on back in the bed it's even easier, is this some kind of newbie meditation?
So basically I just breathe and anytime the mind wanders, I gently bring it back to the breath. That's literally the only meditation instruction I find on Shamata. Is that seriously all there is to it?
ok serious question here, I will be very grateful for help
I meditated dillegintly for over a year and a half. After this time, I gained the ability to bring up a very energetic feeling in my body. It also feels like an orgasm for want of a better word. It can be summoned up at will at anytime of the day, but it sort of scares me and actually caused me to stop meditating. It doesn't seem natural, and when I do meditate, it becomes so intense I feel like my body is swept up into it and I will get goosebumps. I've been worried it is the result of some kind of tumor so I had a CT scan done even but it came back negative. If someone can assure me it is normal or at least shed some light on what is going on I would be very grateful because I would like to return to meditation
>It can't possibly be simple, it's IMPORTANT!
It's an exercise to increase awareness. Just like lifting a barbell by itself is a pretty silly thing to do, but it improves the muscle so it can perform better in life. So too meditation is a silly act isolating improvement of your awareness and peace, so you can be more aware and peaceful in your life.
When I meditate I often reach a point where I'm alert and conscious but my body begins to fall asleep. It's like the stages before sleep paralysis.
During/after this I've become increasingly aware that I have no free will and that I am autonomous but my consciousness is an illusion.
What am I doing wrong?
Intense energy manifestation is a pretty normal thing that can happen during meditation. Yours could be a manifestation of Kundalini since you're describing it as orgasmic. It's one signpost of many along the path and nothing to worry about.
I asked this in another meditation thread a few days ago. It did get a response but I thought I would ask a larger group of people.
First off I got this weird trust thing where it's tough for me to meditate around people because I get fearful when I close my eyes and I get anxious when I try to meditate by myself for no reason at all that I know of. Is this normal?
Next question I asked the other day. Why are you required in some practices to place your tongue against the roof of your mouth?
I think it's normal. You're making yourself vulnerable to people who could hurt you while you're not paying attention. It's a beautiful thing, really, vulnerability. As long as its with someone you can trust.
I don't know about the tongue thing though.
I have been practicing meditation for 15 plus years. here's some tricks. ok so once you are able to turn off the chattering monkey brain and go into the inner world it gets interesting. now in the inner world what you focus on will be shown to you. like an emotion, or the past, future events etc. in this state you will see it true. the fun part is manipulating these things with will and determination. once you git gud at this well.. have fun hacking reality. here's a tip the strongest energy is the one that manifests.. so if you focus on what you want to mess with and overwhelm the current energy with your own.. have fun. I'm making this sound easier than it is though.
Yesterday, after many days and months of a certain practice I was able to "ignite" my body.
Through intense and persistent concentration and visualization my "body" began to transform itself into electricity which was raging like a pure flame.
My whole being was on fire, and I had control of it.
This new energy that literaly filled out my carnal body had full control over this carnal body.
At the same time, by virtue of this very fire now burning within me my consciousness became liquid. All crystalizations melted into singularity.
Water, Fire, Air, Earth and Akash
Yeah the reason I posted it in the other thread was because it actually freaks me out quite a bit. I know that it sounds like I'm some super anxious person because of these things but it's actually the only things that make me panic.
I guess the tongue thing because nothing really ever touches the roof of your mouth and it just feels like the feeling of something touching it lingers for a while and the meditating around other people because I just don't trust others.
According to Taoism tradition the tongue is a bridge that allows or block the energy flux through the microcosmic orbit. This is been used to release the energy concentration in the head when the kundalini is awaken.
To avoid headaches for kundalini syndrome it's necessary to get the energy down, it is easier with this tongue position but I can feel energy flowing without it, so I really don't know, I guess this could be done without it but don't recommend it because the energy flows slower.
Need motivation to get back into meditation. It really helped back in the day. Maybe now that I'm a month clean of drugs and alcohol, do you guys think that would help?
Does anybody have any experience with fasting and meditation?
I have been planning on doing a couple weekend 2 day fasts where I meditate the whole two days.
What is the longest you've fasted, and whats the longest you've meditated?
I eventually want to work up to being able to fast for a whole week.
it helped me in that situation. I think regular meditation helped me recover from being a tweaker. Most people I meet who quit the kind of habit I used to have seem like they're in a lot worse shape because of it today than I am. YMMV tho I guess
Prana can leak through the tip of the tongue, fingers and sacral chakra. I don't find this to be the case, or rather, I do feel energy leak out of my hands, but it sort of envelops my body I find. I don't really feel it as a leak. Perhaps at higher yogic or neigong type levels, you would feel like you want to block that energy from escaping through those meridians and into the pranic atmosphere, but I don't see it as particularly important in the main.
However, blocking, rerouting, short-circuiting energy flows through hand-based mudras can bring amazing meditational results. Even the mudra in the pic is amazing. That is gyan mudra with the lower hand and shuni mudra with the upper hand.