Uncle Ted's comments on MKUltra in his manifesto. As you may or may not be aware he was subjected to MKUltra testing while he was a 17 year old sophomore at Harvard.
"Assuming that industrial society survives, it is likely that technology will eventually acquire something approaching complete control over human behavior. It has been established beyond any rational doubt that human thought and behavior have a largely biological basis. As experimenters have demonstrated, feelings such as hunger, pleasure, anger and fear can be turned on and off by electrical stimulation of appropriate parts of the brain. Memories can be destroyed by damaging parts of the brain or they can be brought to the surface by electrical stimulation. Hallucinations can be induced or moods changed by drugs. THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE AN IMMATERIAL SOUL, BUT IF THERE IS ONE IT CLEARLY IS LESS POWERFUL THAN THE BIOLOGICAL MECHANISMS OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR. For if that were not the case then researchers would not be able so easily to manipulate human feelings and behavior with drugs and electrical currents."
more or less by the mid 70's scientists had completely hacked the human brain in regard to behavior.
"It presumably would be impractical for all people to have electrodes inserted in their heads so that they could be controlled by the authorities. But the fact that human thoughts and feelings are so open to biological intervention shows that the problem of controlling human behavior is mainly a technical problem; a problem of neurons, hormones and complex molecules; the kind of problem that is accessible to scientific attack. Given the outstanding record of our society in solving technical problems, it is overwhelmingly probable that great advances will be made in the control of human behavior."
Anyway, the whole manifesto is chock-full of interesting info.
You could read this in literally any neuroscience book. Hell michio kaku has written about it multiple times and even ray Kurzweil.
MKultra was a total failure because they realized that technology to "mind control" people was incredibly far beyond them. To do this one would need to know what every neuron and neurotransmitter in the brain does then develop a way to interact with them to have a significant effect.
100billion neurons and trillions of neurotransmitters. Do you know how long the human genome project ran for? Take that as a starting point and estimate how long this process would take.
incorrect, proven by mid-20th century drastic behavioral changes. look at a common man in any developed country, he was more or less the same man. the early 1800s American man was more or less the early 1900s man, and not much different at all than the 1700's man. around the 1950s with televisions coming into every home and the standardization of public schooling changes in human behavior began to take place. The common early 2000s man is almost unidentifiable to his predecessors. He is overly socialized, de-fanged, afraid, depressed, helpless, demoralized, delusional, without purpose etc.
>To do this one would need to know what every neuron and neurotransmitter in the brain does then develop a way to interact with them to have a significant effect
>This DREADD technology — also known as chemogenetics — is now used by hundreds of labs worldwide. It helped revolutionize our understanding of how brain circuits control normal and abnormal behavior, emotions, perception, pain sensation, memory, and many other processes. DREADDs have been used to improve the function of insulin-producing cells in mice as a way of treating diabetes. DREADD technology has also helped scientists treat epileptic seizures in mice
>In one type of experiment, the NIH lab of Michael Krashes, PhD, was able to turn on and off voracious feeding behavior in mice. In another type of experiment, UNC researchers were able to turn on and off behaviors similar to those induced by drugs such as cocaine and amphetamines
If you want to know why they banned LSD, go buy some Spice, smoke the whole bag, and then go buy another every day for several years. One day, your mind will be opened, and all the controls for your brain and body will be available to you. Leary talked about it in terms of reality design; 'Who is the god that makes the grass green?' The answer is you. If you want, the grass can be blue, or not exist at all.
The next generation of designer drugs is going to be DREADD's in a bag, and the high will be incredible.
>He is overly socialized, de-fanged, afraid, depressed, helpless, demoralized, delusional, without purpose etc
In the old days, everyone lived in extended families, only the nobility owned weapons, was in constant terror from disease, helpless in the face of decade-long famines, believed in nonsense like glass ceilings in the sky, and died toothless, covered in their own sick.
It's shit advice too, because they could just buy 1P-LSD.
>THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE AN IMMATERIAL SOUL, BUT IF THERE IS ONE IT CLEARLY IS LESS POWERFUL THAN THE BIOLOGICAL MECHANISMS OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR.
Could it not be argued that the immaterial soul is not touched by the workings of the biological entity?
Good double anon.
We can only hope & pray.
Imagine what Ted would say or do if he walked free today
Life w/o parole WAS deemed unconstitutional.
>tfw only 90s kids remember.
I turned out OK. I can affirm the insanity, in so far as what's going on in your mind is identical to what western medicine deems to be symptoms of insanity. Also, my self feels shattered and strewn across the landscape - there's a tear in my mind directly into a realm of quiet candles. I quit because my body felt like wax.
I've never heard of it before, but I'm very interested after a startpage search.
As in, you can will the grass to appear blue to you, or cease to exist. You can control and induce hallucinations, in other words.
But moreover, the grass was only ever green to your human eyes - other animals see different wavelengths. Therefore, you were making the grass green, and that's why you can make the grass blue or non-existant.
There's an objective reality, but all we can ever see is one sujective perspective of that reality. Consider dark matter - your eyes don't tell the whole story.
>It is not you that makes the grass green but the mechanism through which you see. Hence you can't make it appear blue
I don't mean to sound arrogant, but there's a reason I'm talking about Spice and hallucinations.
>Your argument is flawed
From your naive perspective. Mine isn't objectively better than yours, but it's informed by molecules yours isn't. And the one thing I insist on is the ability to hallucinate the grass to be a different color.
Have you tried Spice? If not, how do you know it doesn't grant you the ability I describe?
Yeah, "Uncle Ted" had some valid points I suppose.
He never really took the time to fully ruminate on option B though, where everyone in this fucking thread hangs up their fedoras and gets bent.
One of my friends told me to read his manifesto. Wish this shit was in audio form so I can actually pay attention.
Why does he want to kill people though? Surely this creates more problems than it can solve.
part of the mk ultra program silences the person and discredits them. they do that by mk the people you email etc. newspaper editors are especially notorious for this. they dont report shit. they basically just delete shit. same with forum mods. most forum mods have been under MK one time or another.
kazinski wrote about the same /x/ stuff as everyone in conspiracy forums.
bankers, federal reserve, mk ultra, fake war on terror, fake war on drugs, real wars vs villagers
but nobody would give a shit she he blew stuff up and linked his blog
It's very much like LSD, only the body load is a bit higher. Supposedly it mostly gets processed into LSD in the body. Dose it like regular acid.
He was talking about spice as alternative to LSD, and I said 1P-LSD is a superior alternative, it's closer to the original. And I'd rather take pure 1P-LSD than taking some shady drug cocktail.
I quit doing spice this time last year, and the ability is still there. This suggests that it's not a result of the molecules still being in my system, but permanent changes in my body. In fact, I quit spice because the constant mania was suddenly joined by these hallucinations.
A permanent state of hallucination is a feature of various mental disorders. The capacity to produce mental images in dreams is another example. Spice harnessed something innate in me.
If it truly did give me this ability, than my fears of it's mutagenic effects are true. But that dovetails with my hypothesis that evolution is induced by poisoning.
>Most forum mods have been under MK one time or another
I've been a mod on several chans (Not 4chan,) and let me tell you; I wish MKULTRA would come and knock on my door.
One of the things I liked about the spice was the somatic delusions. Feeling like a candle was awesome. Is this what you mean by bodyload? I've heard of weird body sensations from LSD.
Spice at it's best is bought from research chemical websites and comes in baggies with chemical names and weights, and is pure synthetic cannabinoids. These drugs are designed to evade the law, and feature things like adamantane (The crooked box in fhe upper right corner) - which is a diamondoid, in the same class as graphene. To go off on a tangent, I wrote an essay that I think was inspired by the adamantane in the spice I was smoking;
>Alchemical Diamond bodies
1P-LSD is identical to LSD, but it has two methyl groups. LSD has been shown to cause chromosome abnormalities, despite what it's supporters say about it. The two methyl groups of 1P-LSD (Labelled as "H3C" in the lewis diagram on the 1P-LSD page on wikipedia) could get into the nucleus, where they may attach to a gene and either silence or activate it.
If spice has done this to me, I'd love to see what 1P-LSD would do to my genome.
ehm, didnt they just shit on his dreams 'n hopes? All those edgy MKULTRA technologies are overkill on the average person ;'(
I wrote a scientist involved in MKULTRA and he sent me a copy of his report to some Naval research group, basically a comprehensive bullshit study of education where he said that it would be cool if we could put electrodes in kids' brains to help them learn.
Here's some scans. I was brought to reading his books after the author was mentioned in The Body Electric as basically being Frankenstein. After that I started to get a little creepily obsessed with his work and books and stuff, partly because I wanted to interview him for healthcare in senior year (it was an advanced high school class).
Reading his book made me fucking weird and pseudo-philosophical angsty. I liked his idea that progress should come at any cost because it was so radically different.
After high school I gave up the bizarre interest in him, dusting these papers off now. Save the scans, boys.
iirc the dude may have been sort of fucked in the head. A lot of guys from the MKULTRA projects went through trauma in the Spanish Civil War and in the Axis in WW2. He may not have been directly involved, but bragged that he knew some guys who were involved. He also said when the CIA approached his buddy at some MKULTRA university (Tulane?) and asked him to find the pain center of the brain, his friend refused because he feared what the CIA would do with it. Jose, of course, set out on the path to knowledge.
There is something impressively dangerous about this. He died shortly after he sent me this.
So yeah, the two books I would recommend for reading are Toward a Psychocivilized Society, which is basically Jose's philosophical musing along with a lot of animal testing and bragging, and then Violence in the Brain. Authors of VITB were the kind of 1960s political doctors who would argue more on classism, saying that this racial group is more disposed to violence, etc. There are a lot of cases in VITB (in which they thank Jose for collaborating in their work) that sound entirely unethical.
>bipolar schizophrenic patient prone to violent rage
>put electrodes in his brain after months and months of no response to drugs or electroshock
>treatment seems to work, but they can't continue for too long; Dude's got wires coming from his head. A few months tops before they have to sew it up
>One problem; He's semi-lucid right after brain stimulation
>ask him in his dream state to sign forms that allow them to permanently implant a simulator in his chest with leads to his brain
>pretty much openly say he was pissed and it took some weeks of convincing him afterwards before they could do this
More MKULTRA papers for you guys. Whole thing is maybe 10 ages?
MKULTRA guys really broke new ground in social sciences. Previous researchers would give people drugs and take notes on their feelings. But they were ethical; The person was kept isolated and comfortable, and they knew they were getting the drug.
Jose began testing on monkeys but moved onto humans. He began testing with his stimociever, a combination brain stimulator, and receiver, which would receive an EEG of the brain that would be transmitted to the scientists. What this allowed was for scientists to see a waveform that would indicate an upcoming panic/rage outburst, so they would stimulate the center that made them docile before this could happen. They did this in a social setting in some cases, which they outlined in the book Violence and the Brain.
And basically what this allowed them to do (in monkeys and animals, they weren't crazy enough to do this Jigsaw shit on humans, I hope) was to observe a social setting, determine who the alpha male and his followers were, take notes on the behavior of every member, then make a change to a single member and take notes on what changes resulted from it.
He liked giving the submissive monkey a button to 'turn off' the dominant one.
As for what OP alluded to, I was listening to this on NPR. I only caught part of it, I had places to be, but the tl;dr of what I heard about Uncle Ted:
>young students in class
>professor is part of an experiment, believes that he can control behavior, is fascinated personally by the idea that someone can be broken down and 'rebuilt'
The CIA got a lot of help from professors. Basically the Chinese perfected something in the cultural revolution where they would have a person sit in a room and have their entire family and friends and all their workers insult him, bring up his worst moments and fears, berate him until he snapped. It was called something like self-criticism. The CIA wanted to find a way to use this to their own good, which is where Ted's professor comes in.
>Ted writes a pretty decent paper
>Ted is an overacheiver, very shy, sort of an outcast but normal in all respects except that he's a loner
>perfect candidate for the test
>called into the professor's office
>absolutely berated, professor destroys his paper, digs into him, pretty much makes him cry
>observe how his behavior changes over the semester
The commentators of the show were saying that in all likelihood, Ted would have been a brilliant mind and a hermit in a cabin in the woods anyway, but the professor's forcing the tests on him is what pushed him over the edge. When Ted was asked about it in prison, he said, "Oh, you don't want to open up that can of worms..."
That's pretty much it for what the dude sent me. From what I understand he also did work on the influence of modulated radio waves on peoples' behavior. What's weird is that I haven't seen these studies, but sure enough he's got a patent
Of course the crazy shit about this is that it would allow you to influence behavior on a much more discreet scale; Radio waves can propagate farther and you don't need to dig into their brains.
I asked what were the values of the components he used in his circuit specifically, but he died of old age before he could reply. It would've been an interesting thing to build. If anyone knows any /sci/ency people, throw this shit their way and see if they know part values. I would assume that the chips (27-30) are standard 555 chips, which is a little odd (would expect sinewaves), but if I used wrong value parts it could fry the circuit or set unuseful frequencies, and if I use wrong value transformers it could fry your head.
>not making this shit battery-operated
Seriously how fucking slapshod can you get.
Okay so, to clarify, him working on radio influence is still sort of a shady thing. The diagram I posted is actually just a circuit that stimulates with direct current pulses. But Jose was in and out of the news for decades doing his mad science stuff, and there were reports that he was doing research in Spain on the effects of electromagnetic fields, and that he was able to make violent social animals (like fish) docile by exposing them to pulsed low power RF fields.
But the whole theme behind the book I read about him in, the Body Electric (reeeead iiiiiit) is that this research was being done by many people on RF fields, but had to be kept secret. The whole strategy behind America's war plans was and still is our precision communications systems. If people found out that very, very low frequencies can change their hormonal levels and stuff, they would demand a change to the submarine transmitters that literally use the earth as a resonator, or VLF stations, or beacons, or pulsed radar and over-the-horizon warning systems.
>you forget that the original stated purpose behind MK-ULTRA was to develop a machine that could induce hypnotic states at the flip of a switch
What's more interesting, controlling someone's behavior with a room full of servers and electronic technicians and scientists, or controlling a city with a radio tower?
Did you read Mass Control yet? J. Keith
Haven't read that yet. The surprising thing about what I read in Jose's work and the collaboration from Violence in the Brain is that they would always say that they could control animals so easily, then they could find out what center they had to stimulate to do this, then they could stimulate the same center in a human, but get little or no result, even at pretty high stimulation levels. I think a big reason research fizzled out was because they realized that humans really do have an extra layer to consciousness that they can't understand, something unique to us and not lower species, and doctors that said otherwise were talking big.
Holographic Universe was pretty good, it talked about how the mind could store memories and emotions through a synergetic way; When scientists gave rats a memory task and then cut their brains and made them do the task again, they could never remove the spot where the memory was located, even after hundreds of tries. In some cases they'd remove like 2/3 of the rat's rain but it would still stumble through the maze. I think humans must have an ability to move their memory and emotions around and adapt if they really need to.
M8 you are so completely fucked in the head I can't even generate a suitable response to your positions. You may actually be beyond the point of physical help and this illustrates why people should be staying as far away from this drug as possible.
Contrary to your thoughts it is not a good thing to hallucinate too much.
Is there really a dude in this thread that believes using synths, some of which are known to cause psychosis and seizures, had given him psychic powers?
This is the fucking end of the Internet. I guess that's why it's /x/, and on 4chan no less
Primitivism is not ludditism.
Ludditism would be wanting to destroy or outlaw something like a robot that could cook all food perfectly, and basically makes all kitchen staff obsolete.