Religion invented in present day Turkey at the end of the Stone Age

>Scientists now deduce that religion was invented to mobilise humans to begin research into agriculture and animal domestication

This seems like an incredibly simplistic answer to the very complex question of where religion came from.

>>17296236
>resurrection
Necromancy as the origin of civilization GET.

>>17296244
People are finally realizing this? Lol.

Turkey always has the cool shit, even Rhodes.

The main idea is that religion gave humans a place not as just a part of nature, but now as above nature, or rightful masters of nature. Encouraging animal domestication, and agriculture. The beliefs bound the civilisation together, and it spread across the land, as evidence by smaller temples constructed in the same style as the massive one at Göbekli Tepe.

Basically religion is the world's biggest forced meme.

>>17296245
nah, there was already a civilisation, it was just based on H/G lifestyle. the Huns are a civilisation, yet remain largely hunter gatherer, even today.

>>17296236
/x/ cant handle the truth

In the time when this is builded the land belonged to the Bulgarians(which believed in the God of Sun (Tangra).im actually bulgarian

>>17296236
Hunter gathers the world over have religion too, so it predated civilization.

what do u mean with predated civilization becouse Bulgarians are predated civilization it is believed the life started somewhere around the Black Sea(at this times it was only a lake).The Thracians(or Mirmidons) are actually Bulgarians.It is believed that we invented the writing system.

>>17296244
What did you expect from a TV show?

>>17296236
>world's first temple
>Religion invented
you leftist/liberal people are so stupid it is beyond my imagination
how about stationary temple has nothing to do with creation of religion
that could have been (and was) cultivated long before among nomads?
jesus, people, you are so stupid...

>>17296252
Rhodes in a Greek island.

>>17297045
Calm your tits, Trump.

They're talking about organized religion. It's a matter of definition. Nomads wandering the desert making up stories about the stars does not qualify.

>>17297102
>Religion invented
>Organized religion invented
makes a big difference
also nomad religions were also organized
>It's a matter of definition.
no, it's a matter of leftist atheist media trying to discredit every aspect of religion

>>17297110
Jesus, you're a fucking mouth breather.

>>17296236
What is animism?

>>17297137
Nothing he said is wrong tho. Nomads can still have an organized religion. Temples aren't the defining factor of organization.

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>>17297137
>be wrong and get called out
>lash out like a bitch

Classy

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>>17296528

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>>17297137
Mouthbreathing? Might as well call him a namefag.
>>17297110
You're not wrong.

>>17297102
>>17297137
This guy gets it: >>17297219
There's evidence of ceremonial burials looong before any temples were built.

>>17297137

He's right though. It's a stupid fucking claim that has no basis in reality and no evidence and the only possible reason to make that claim is to denigrate religion.

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>>17296236


> to begin research into agriculture and animal domestication

Real life isn't a Civ game ffs.

Be careful what you post on a Sunday. People can't accept the truth

in ancient Egypt, they had revolving pantheons of eight gods for their four seasons of agriculture. in classical Greece they had a revolving pantheon of 12 gods for their festival calendar, breaking up the four seasons to a triad of gods and for a more complicated agricultural schedule. basically, organized religion has always been used to give people a rigid structure for society to grow.

>>17297243
>>17297045

Explain yourself anon. (Assuming samefag)

How on earth is trying to establish an anthropological timeline for the advent of religion in our development as a species a liberal attempt to denigrate religion?

You're not one of those idiots who think evolution is a liberal conspiracy, are you?

>>17297239
Ceremonial burials are ritual. Religion requires a higher degree of complexity and organization. These are established terms, with hundreds of years of study supporting them; you only make yourself look uneducated by trying to coin your own idiosyncratic definitions.

>>17297333
The fact that many of these people were buried with tools, clothing, valuables, and even food suggests that there was a belief, albeit probably a very rudimentary one, in an afterlife. If an afterlife doesn't indicate some kind of religion that I have no fucking clue what a religion is.

>>17296236
this is far from the first temple senpai
"religion" or whatever you want to call it has been around since the beginning. it is a part of who we are.
Nice fedora, btw

>>17297333
And it's not the tracing back of religion that's debasing everything, its when you said that religion was an invention, a tool essentially, created just to get people to settle down and farm.

>>17296236

I just figured it out.

Göbekli Tepe was a restaurant.

>>17296260
Yup. I feel ya.

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The offense, essentially, is the notion that religion was 'invented' at all. Invention implies it's wholly human, and has no room for the genuinely divine.

But of course, you knew that when you made this thread.

Like many megalithic structures from the time (and many archaeologists and geologists are beginning to realize that most megalithic structures, from Angkor to Giza to the Easter Islands and South America were all built at the same time -- c.12,500 years ago), it was built to commemorate mankind's survival of the flood. So resurrection is definitely a motif; man's antediluvian resurrection. All of these megalithic temples are designed to commemorate the flood and man's survival of it and place down on record man's history preceding it and also, they acted, or their construction rather, acted as a sort of gathering post for fragmented antediluvian societies to gather around and start rebuilding themselves into coherent civilizations.

Who was it who came to gather these people together in these spots so they could build these temples? That's very interesting, because most of these temples have carvings or stele or hieroglyphs on them that point to a figure or figures who came to gather the people together and teach them. Bearded men. Fish-headed men. Men from the ocean. They're often depicted at these monuments. It was these prophet/teacher/priest figures who brought religion, agriculture, architecture and so on to these fragmented post-flood peoples.

So what you say is true in parts, but religion certainly wasn't created at GT. Religion was resurrected at GT and the other megalithic temples.

>>17296236
what a fucking shithole

>>17298055
no it wasn't

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>>17298909
>many archaeologists and geologists are beginning to realize that most megalithic structures, from Angkor to Giza to the Easter Islands and South America were all built at the same time -- c.12,500 years ago

mfw

>>17299058
idiot

>>17296236
>Religion invented in present day Turkey at the end of the Stone Age
You don't know that.

>>17296417
No.

>>17296528
>life started somewhere around the Black Sea
No.

>>17296528
>The Thracians(or Mirmidons) are actually Bulgarians.It is believed that we invented the writing system.
No.

>>17296528
Lol "created writing."

>>17299058
Well, even up north we have megaliths (sweden/norway) from the end of the ice-age.

Those are rarely talked about, especially "when we don't have a culture".

They are all graves.

>>17296260
Humans began to believe they were masters of nature way before of religion.
Some researchers says that the rock paintings had ritualistic means, and painted what they wanted to happen. They thought they could "capture" the "soul" of the animals and bending it's destiny at their will, by representing their fate in a painting. It gave confidence to the hunters, and made them hunt better.
Not religion, just mysticism. And they were hunters yet.

>>17296528
Nice Bulgarian propaganda
Bulgarians are descended from turkic people and writing was first invented in mesopotamia

>>17296236
>Scientists now deduce that religion
>Scientists
false scientist*

fixed it for you.

Christ is eternal and made those blasphemous scientists, you have been deceived by fools, but feel free to keep on believing that you are related to a banana and that you are traveling 1000+ mph standing still. Such is the fruit of this "science" utter foolishness

>>17296236
>find a building
"Ow that must be a temple, people back then didn't had science to explain nature they were very religious"
>find a carving on a stone
"Ow they must have worshiped /insert animal here/, people back then didn't had science to explain nature, they were very religious"

I hate archeologists.

>>17296260
we are not masters of nature. we will never be.
only our creator the father is.
but the irony is that we are all part of the creator.

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>>17296236
>So, it turns out religion was invented at this place, Göbekli Tepe
No, its just one of the places (that we know of) that wasn't flooded at the end of the last ice age. Then it was buried by its makers so that it wouldn't be wrecked by the hordes of refugees from the coastal areas.

pic related.

>Spiritual beliefs never existed before temples
>Nomadic peoples never had religion

Jesus fuck how retarded are you op

>>17296528
>>17296417
Modern Bulgarians are nothing more than inbred gypsies
You have no history

>>17297110
Simmer down Cletus

>>17297225
HOLY SHIT MY 3 YEAR OLD MADE SOME OF THOSE SYMBOLS WITHOUT BEING TAUGHT OMG THIS IS SUCH A REVELATION

>>17298870
Well if it was given to us by gods/alyens then they invented it.

check.

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>>17300661
lol, like any of you faggots have ever seen a live human vagina.

>>17297192
What is Google?

>>17300623
Because the illuminated way in which you express yourself is, on the other hand, a sign of high education and superior civilisation.

You sound like a Trump supporter.

Can we agree that a meteorite impact, in north america, caused the flood, during the end of the last ice age?

>>17300923
You sound like you've never seen a Bulgarian

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>bunch of carved stones proving religion to be fake

What an incredible scientific finding!