Starting with magic

Become like crowley!

Buttsex and drugs! BOOM! You're now magic!

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>>17223320

Normally I would not advise this. However since you say "anything would be a good start" I advise that you start with the most advance reading material on Magic.

The Principia Discordia.

if you dont absolutely cleanse yourself inside and out, and begin again as little children, your setting yourself up for living within a black hole for elongated periods of time.

I believe that when people say your "opening yourself up to bad shit" they mostly mean your begin the magick with what is essentially pressing "activate" an on reality probability matrix. so if your not doing shit with your life but being indoors and undisciplined your gonna constantly "roll" shit numbers. Theres not enough variables and undeteremined factors to influence your realities probability matrix and expand its possibility.

any time i get stagnant, i purify, and rebuild and the slightest few steps are like viagra for my realities possible outcome. suddenly sigils work. but it requires a lot of focus.

my fav beginning book is Ram Dass "Be Here Now", really helps you understand what is the gnostic banishing ritual and how to banish, how to reach gnosis etc. but i was always a plant doping ape so of course im all Robert Anton Wilsony. More people are more math oriented and would prefer Liber Null by Carol

>>17223324
Too lazy to search for something else than crowley, but yeah, lets put the buttsex and drugs somewhere else than this thread. I know little about this, but what about Eliphas Levi or Goethia?

>>17223326
Thanks, i'll search for that, any other ideas?

>>17223320
How old are you OP? This is important.

>>17223320
Liber Null motherfucker. Read up on some of Crowley's work as well. Gardner if you're into Wicca.

But seriously, you can't go wrong with Chaos. Read Liber Null or perhaps Condensed Chaos by Phil Hine.

>>17223351
Well, thanks for the advice, i really need to do that, because i've been really stressed lately. Seriously, thanks for your help.

>>17223320
It really depends upon personal skill but I would recommend that you check out Advanced Magick for Beginners by Alan Chapman, and The Grimoire for the Apprentice Wizard by Oberon Zell-Ravenheart.

>>17223361
Early 20's had interest in this since i remember, tried out some thing few year ago, but never something serious, Now i feel i must really start with this.

>>17223396
I've got bad news for you bro. You should have gotten a letter from Hogwarts around age 11 if you had magic. I'm afraid you've literally missed the train.

>>17223436
I wasn't looking for this kind of answer, but you made my day.
PS according to my wife and her deep knowledge about Harry Potter, almost all the wizards records from the 90's where lost in the Hogwarts battle so, i can still wait for my letter.

>>17223320
for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjuUDuyTUH4

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>>17223554
Top fucking kek anon

>>17223320
For one don't expect the rituals or anything to do anything. That is for show.
Secondly its called magick for a reason, we don't know why it can change people or how or explain any synchronicity related to it.
Also, just read about hermeticism and alchemy, thats the best start.

magic is abstract and there is moare about collective consciossnes and bipolarity then fireballs or bolts whatever.
iam a robot

>>17223320
beehivehat is real hive mind is real

read everything by Peter Carroll

Start practicing immediately.

Remember the saying "Enchant long, divine short." What that means is that you need to give it time for your "enchantment" to work. If you do magick for an excellent job 12 months from now, it will be more powerful than magick for one month.

The "divine short" part of the saying reminds us that universe is always in flux, and even very small particals only exist in certain spaces as probabilities.


You have a much, much , much better chance of doing a divination successfully for two days from now, as opposed to a year.

Remember that as humans we will make many mistakes:

Another vital point between active magic and divination. If you fuck up an active magical operation, and it fails, so what, you can do it again, and again, or change things, until you get what you want.

On the other hand, if you take a life-changing action due to a tarot reading, or other divination, and it was a bad reading, then you fucked yourself large.

Divination must be treated with the utmost respect before you actually apply it. Active magick, enchantments, blessings, etc etc. can be thrown around with manly abandon.

This is where your power lies, write out your long term goals, and do magick to make them happen. Don't forget to actually do real life shit to give the magic a channel to work in.

Magick won't work unless you actually do real life operations. This is why earth is the first initiation.

>>17224311
Really, thank you. I'll start as soon as possible with all the help you guys offered.

https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ

Here you go Anon. It's a library of various magic topics.

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>>17224278
Must be a real beehivehat or sumpin.

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>>17223351
Not OP but that's weird the second time I've seen that ramm das book recommended today.
Your post actually resonates a lot with me, I too have thought about digging into magic a bit, but I'm very inactive.

How would you recommend cleansing yourself? You just talking an actual cleanse? Like fasting, eating clean, etc? How about spiritually and all that?

>>17223320

Liber Null

>>17223327
kek

>>17226458
Guy in picture doesn't understand what multiplication is.

>>17226458
Square root of two isn't one, its 1.4142135...

>>17227368
>>17227370
Well he's an insane actor that locked his ex-wife in her room while he created his own language.

Google "blood over intent".

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>>17224766
FAWKIN HOME RUN CHIPPERSON YOU CAWKSUCKAH!!

*clap clap*
Double Guns Bitch

>>17227368
>>17227370
You guys just don't think it be like it is but it do

I have tried with sigils, chantings over the sigils, hands positions oer the same sigil and after a while burning the sigil and completely forget about it and my commitment... I haven't seen results until now, but they say you should remember "how it was" and "how is it now" and compare...

>>17223320
Is there any positive kind of magic similar to chaos magic? which if I'm correct is kind of just using positive thinking to alter what comes into your life.

I'm kind of limited on apartment space so I can't be having alters and stuff like that. Also I'm pretty sure if I can't have a border collie I can't summon shit. Plus that stuff scares me.

crowley was completely whack

Okay /x/, I'm interested in magic and want to give it a try, but there's a problem. I think belief is the main power source. Exorcisms for instance- it's not the holy water/firecrackers/burning herbs that get rid of spirits, it's the forceful belief that those things will do it.

The problem is, I can't believe in magic. People do rituals and shit, but you never see any results. It's always something intangible, like 'good luck' or 'some coincidence happened'. So magicfags, have you actually had any proper results from your work? Give me some encouragement here.

>>17228390
This is where it gets interesting. One famous example is Jacques Demolay, leader of the Knights Templar, who was sentenced to death and cursed the King of France saying he would die in 1 year, he died in 6 months. Coincidence? Who really knows.
If you really genuinely believe then shit will happen (supposedly). The most effective means is to go at these things alone. Groups need to all be collectively dedicated for magick to work. I know some combat magick rituals that require to NOT think about your enemy but be raging upset anyway (sounds contradictory as fuck I know) Here's some examples and info.
file:///C:/Users/cgabossi/Downloads/Combat%20Magic.pdf

>>17228221
every human being is grossly different. If one thing doesn't work, then try another.

Failure in magick, just like life, is common, we don't always know why we failied.

Magical journals are important because as the years go by, you can look back and see what worked for you and what didn't.

Its a major error to keep trying a particular method if there is strong evidence that it has a weak influence or no influence.

>>17223351
Your post was like a magnet. Can you explain to me some other stuff. Any advice for somebody who wants to unlock his true potential.

>>17228390
people who get good results simply never talk about it.

Imagine carrying a secret that will instantly make you look like a retarded fool, or a candidate for the asylum.

You personally have come into contact with several successful magicians, none of which will ever mention it.

Belief is important, but it is overrated, and it is not vital and you can do magic experiments even if you are skeptical.

>>17228636
Well, I thought about moving on to another method. The problem is, I don't know what are the others, I just know about the sigils and the symbols... You know, writing your intent, making a glyph and stuff. I'd try other stuff, but for some reason I can't get material that teaches me how. Maybe I'm not truly believing that it will work.?

>>17228666
forget about believing or not believing, the key is to empty your mind at some point.


there are hundreds upon hundreds of methods. You can represent your wish in the form of any artistic thing you can think of. When studying the magical methods of people throughout history, it becomes obvious that there are so many methods, and there is no "correct" way of doing things.

The reality is that you can just make it up. The reason why people don't generally do this is that it doesn' feel powerful for them, and the want a connection to acient and exotic flavors.

https://zalbarath666.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/peter-j-carroll-liber-null-psychonaut.pdf

this book will school you, and there is nothing like success to make you believe.

I once got excellent advice from a hot milf, she told me to do easy things, and then I would come to recognize my power and believe.

I never fucked her though, and I did magical operations to try. (I was an idiot horny teenager)

Failures in magic are part of the game. But when you get a major success, your knees go limp, you sit down and say "what the fuck", and it feels like you are swimming in a vast ocean that you will never understand.

Another reason people don't brag about successful magic is that when it happens, it is so bizzare to our brain, we can barely stand it.

A lot of people fail subconsciously because they know they cant bear success.

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>>17228425
Thanks for the link.

>>17228703
Wow thank you a lot!!
I will give it a try. I'd like to receive that advice from a hot milf though. Well at least I received it from you, and not from something or someone dangerous.

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start here

>>17228750
Do I have to read them in order? Which one would you recommend me to read first?

>>17228759
it's a pretty dogmatic and shitty collection

The truth is though, that reading most of those books is indeed necessary, especially when you want to understand what a learned Western magician is talking about.

But dont ever, ever, ever, take anything these books say as gospel truth, there is some truth, but also mountains of bullshit.

>>17228759
No in fact read them in the order most important to you and how you find them (some are not so easy to find I've found) If you are looking to start practice I would go with Regardie's Middle pillar. If you are looking to study thelema then start with the book of the law (as that is the key source) and then if you can find it The Law is for All which was crowley's comentary on his own writings.

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>>17228765
>it's a pretty dogmatic and shitty collection
True.

Perhaps you should avoid dogma and try some catma, OP.

>>17228719
You're welcome. I got it from a library kept by someone who runs the /omg/ threads on /x/

>>17228765
Yeah that's what I thought, there is too much Aleister Crowley there.
>>17228769
I'll try to find Middle Pillar then, I want to start practice yeah but I know I should understand what the fuck I am doing, right?

>>17228759
thelema is a religion, keep that in mind

magick and religion are not the same

Crowley was a genious and a valuable source of knowledge, but he freely admits that he wanted to start a religion, and that common folk are dumb.

It's true, of course that common folk are dumb, Im not saying he's wrong but you need enormous grains of salt when reading him.

>>17228789
Good to know this. I'm not into religions and shit anyway, planning to do this journey by myself

>>17228789
True. Though the principals of Thelema are that one can take it as religion, philosophy, or in some cases a lifestyle. But yes do not confuse Magick with Religion in any form if you are just starting your practice.
>>17228780
The reason I suggest middle pillar is it is a really good start for a solitary ritual. My chapter of the OTO has been working on a version we do together (I think it is based on Regardie or maybe it was Wasserman who came up with it) I have heard a lot of good things about 777 and book 4 is considered essential to OTO and affiliate organizations since it has most of those rituals. I'd also look into Qabalah and if you really want it in trippy hippy form I would suggest reading the Crowley stroy Wake World :p. (no seriously I would only use Wake World if you are already familiar with the Tarot AND with another text its not really informative so much as introductory to the concept in fiction form.) otherwise Mystical Qabalah would be a good source

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Does anyone mind explaining to me exactly what magic is? Is it all mystical rituals and what not? I've got a Christian upbringing and I've kind of always wondered why the Bible said it was forbidden. Probably a long winded response to that.

I noticed prometheus rising is on that list >>17228750
I wasn't under the impression that was magic related, especially in the company of those other authors. If I was just wanting a general introduction to the topic, in a non-practicing way which of these would I start with?

>>17228926
I'd love to have a discussion with a priest about what is magick and why is it forbidden

>>17228926
Do you believe in a merciful god? There is no way a genuine god, if it exists, and is actually a mature and powerful being, would ever punish a human for experimenting with nature.

Our very brains are built to bravely experiment, the idea that a god (if it even exists) would punish us for acting as though we were created (our brains insist on experiments), is fucking ridiculous.

If the god you believe in has a small amount of intelligence, then you wont be punished.

>>17228971
>Our very brains are built to bravely experiment
That's what I'm going to say if I ever get judged by God

>>17228971
Well honestly I can't dispute that. But I will say the programming of my upbringing is pretty powerful. I was sitting still the other day attempting to meditate and in front of my bed is a mandala, which I was going to use as a meditation tool.

I was staring into the center of it and this intrusive thought popped in my head: "it probably looks like you're casting spells to someone" and that instantly ruined my session.

>>17228936
I think it was considered bending reality outside of what is normally capable of man and thus is considered an abomination of God. But I'm not knowledgeable enough to dispute this topic in either subject.

>>17228986
dont forget to mention that you read it on 4chan, god spends a lot of time here

>>17229009
ah yes, I see.

You make your point very clearly. No matter what you do, the early programming is still there.

I guess there is nothing we can do about that?

Maybe if we accept it and acknlowedge it, it will be weaker.

I was thinking about arguing against it using logic, but you are right, logic didn't even exist when the progamming happened.

It will always be there?

good luck to you

>>17229024
I was still looking for advice as far as the second part of my question, the general introduction book if you know of one.

>>17229044
From the way you post , I get a small idea about how you think. It could be very wrong, of course.


https://zalbarath666.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/peter-j-carroll-liber-null-psychonaut.pdf

this might enlighten you

It's an old book, and the thing with chaos magic is that it tries to keep religion out of the equation.

This book fails on many accounts, but all books fail. It's a good start for someone who likes to think about things. (which is the small impression I get from you)

>>17228926
who is this guy, I have seen him but can't remember where. Pls help

>>17229126
lol its a joke, its actually different people.

one is a danish actor, another is an american comedian, and I cant remember the other one and I dont feel like googling right now

>>17229126
ok the last guy is willam defoe, american actor

>>17229071
Coolness thanks man. I do indeed like things like that and chaos magic is something I am kind of fascinated with.

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>>17228926
Magick is forbidden because they know that the magickal mindstate is useful for understanding complex topics, topics that you don't need concern yourself with, precious little lamb.

If you do learn magick then wolves will get you, and they'll eat you, we'll just consume your dreams and supress you until you cease breathing, Jesus loves you, the box loves you, come back home to the box, and enjoy the box with beverages from a box inside a cold box, with a square card that holds value kept in box, connected to billions of other boxes, for the sake of keeping boxes where they belong in boxes.

Magick is not a box, it's a star, it's what happens when the four corners of the box are used by your spirit, not by more of those four corners.

>>17223320
Sanatyr. You're welcome.

>>17229419
Holy fuck, thats the most entertaining post ive read in a long, long time.

nigger you need to post more

>>17229193
holy cow, I feel ultra dumb now, nice prank lol
this guy, I was looking for Platoon.

>>17229518
no need to feel dumb bro, Defoe did actually credit in Platoon.

It was a fucking massivly good performance too,/

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>>17229595
it needs a small update though that reads
>Today

study it generally. dont choose something specific. find what works, define it on an understanding you have that can be applied to the world in general (just explain how it works without the magic). understand it objectively, "this is what this magic system claims". none of it is real, not that you care. if you want something that works, stop looking for a system of magic and start looking for something that works

>>17228657
>People get good results
>Don't talk about it
>Don't share information
>Don't improve magic as a whole

How the fuck is the field supposed to evolve beyond individuals drawing chalk circles if nobody shares best practice? No wonder people think people who claim to do magic are delusional.

>>17231621

'the field'...I'm glad all you fuckers understand shit about it all, may it stay so.

>>17223326
Hit that up then Prometheus rising then some Crowley but get the ones with the explanations on the pages cause it can be pretty thick!

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Holy fuck this thread is beyond words.
I think the guy tried to link his c drive wins though.

>>17223351
>>17224311
>>17228703
>>17229071
Really though, carroll and his entire order were a bunch of roleplayers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminates_of_Thanateros#The_Ice_Magick_Wars

>>17223326
Fucking kek I love you recommended this pope anon

>>17229419
Do you know what Tantra means?
It is a word that means tapistry, made of various sutras(think suture) like stitches or thread.

In essence the threads of the culture are what magick is often made of. It's why you should go make a robe. For instance if a culture believes in Karma, unconscious spiritual action it is usually implicated in the works it stitches a kinship, a bloodline. But we happen to be in a pile of loose fabric that's in need of stitching together. We need to navigate it and see which pieces fit for us. What God do you like? What food do you eat? Who are your ancestors? Who rules your nation? What trade do you follow?

All this stuff makes magick of the modern age closer to the magick of the ancient, surprisingly connected world. Magick is magick nowadays. It's cut and sampled and emitted silently through the air. The tapistries that were once whole, have been chopped up into wikipedia-sized articles and broadcast silently through the air.

Culture is infused into our air, and anything can be used for magickal ends. All media is demonic just like all devices can have viruses programmed for it. We are all taught by demonic tutors, to understand the topography from a bird's eye view. Whether the demons are real or not is irrelevant, the archetypes are very real, the effects on the tapestry of your mind are immense. Pokemon has demonic wisdom, as does every kid who knows that Santa and Satan have trade deals in China. Magick is a unifying thing in and of itself. Look at Voodou Veve, and tell me that Lamen don't look about the same in concept. That Mexicans in their festivals to the saints don't look like Hindu festivals.

Magick is stuff that people who use it don't want understood. Magick is what makes all the television channels spout the same topics.

>>17229438
Sanatyr? explain please.

>>17228750
Not a bad starting place actually. Reading some on the major world relgions/philosophy would also be helpful.

Ignore anyone who recommends Carroll. It works because it is a watered down version of Crowley and Spare. His original content is enough to make you fuck up your life/quit magic forever. People who recommend him tend to have not finished much more than the first chapter of Liber MMM.

Magic can be made into a simple formula, mental energy+direction=magic.

For example, a man wants to get closer to a woman. He designs or adopts a ritual with significant emotional triggers for him (mental energy) and then uses symbology within the ritual to give his mental energy direction. Why does this work? Because mental energy is the essential element of the universe.

More extreme and detailed example: 5 men want to attract wealth in their lives. They buy a cow, knowing that a cow has long been a symbol of wealth to livestock raising cultures. The money they give up to buy the cow is itself an emotional trigger. They design a ritual filled with appropriate symbology that climaxes with the sacrifice of the cow. The collective mental energy of the dying animal and the 5 participants is directed to the desired goal through the use of symbology in all aspects of the ritual: the choice of sacrifice, the location of said ritual, music played, cloths worn, ect ect...

This is the basic formula for magic. Decide what your goal is, design or adopt a ritual that triggers strong mental energy (that's why self harm, and more popularly, masturbation/sex acts are commonly worked into rituals), and fill the ritual with goal-appropriate symbolism. Also, once it's all said and done, don't dwell on your work. Let your efforts ferment without you muddying the water so to speak.

>>17232149

>'Ignore Carroll' stopped right there.If you just said, maybe in a few years , consider.. ;)

>>17223320
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Magick isn't real as we think "real" to be. It exists on another side of our perception, which is more in line with delusion than reality. The Kabalists call that the sephirah of Tipheret and associate it with gods and immortals. We presume to be in a place with gods and other wild things to help ourselves to do what we set out to do. An occultist wears many hats and sometimes is a priest, a doctor, a nueropath, warrior or whatever else is called for. We crack the code in plain sight and in the hidden places. Magick is the study of the esoteric and the unknown, so we have been opposed by many people, from scientists to religion. Read everything that there is to read and get an idea of what's out there. Good luck.
Love is the law, love under will.

>>17232175
>few years
No. Read him and all of the other post-modern/"chaos" magic stuff after maybe 8+ years of consistent practice/study minimum.

That way you'll be able to easily see parts were stolen and which parts were original content. Then you'll be able to look at Carroll's original content and be able to realize what a complete retard he is.

Modern magic is autism, as this thread demonstrates.

If you want to learn magic, the best thing to do is learn to feel and manipulate energy. That way, you wont have any doubts that this stuff is real. Googe Robert Bruce Energy Work.

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>>17231975
So magic is manipulation of the human psyche through simple, overlooked means? If that's true, I HIGHLY suggest meditating on Morning Glory seeds, holy shit.

>>17235195
The means aren't always simple and simple doesn't imply easy, but yeah, pretty much. You get better effects than on drugs though.

Meme magick anyone?

>>17223320
"I don't know jack shit but I'm SERIOUS."

This is how religions con idiots into believing in them.

>>17223320
>Skeptical fags and trolls fuck off
If you want to succeed in magic, you need a skeptics mind. You have to be able to separate the bunk from what works. And you're going to need a sense of humor. Because the spirits will troll you, even if you think you're too good for trolling. Watch. Better lighten up, kiddo.

Google:

>Naturalistic Occultism
>Liber Aba
>Three Books of Occult Philosophy

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>>17223320

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>>17229011
'Sup kids.

>>17224006
Well while this thread went better than expected, any recommendations on some good hermeticism reading? Also Pythagoras?

>>17231895
"Thanks for the link"

>>17238353
It's all pretty shit. Kybalion is an okay start. It's mostly wrong and new thought garbage, but makes a decent enough opener to compare with what you read afterwards. Bardon has some of the better works out there and covers most shit after that.

The problem with it all is much like with expressing what I know and know. It comes out like crap regardless and you have to know and know the difference. You'd probably have better luck watching jodorowsky movies and using tarot cards for everything but divination.

>>17223320
You should start by knowing that magic isn't real, and then finding an actual hobby.

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Not OP, but also want some recommendations.

So, I've always find the symbolism and aesthetics behind occultism/magic pretty cool and I've always read a little about it. Last year I got a tarot deck (mainly cause I've always liked the artwork and whatnot), got pretty into it, started doing readings for friends and reading about it a lot.

The thing is, I don't believe in supernatural/magic/etc stuff
>not criticizing who does though
However, I think I can always derive some meaning from readings and it helps a lot for me to think clearly. And it's also an hell of a creative exercise.

So I got into this post-ironic memeshit magic vibe where I kinda do stuff that I don't believe but pretty much do for the sake of fun and turns out it helps a lot in a lot of ways. Lately been doing sigils, noticed they help me keep focused on what I want to achieve, feel more confident about it, have more energy to work towards it, etc.

Is there anything you can recommend reading for someone like me? (Something related, or something where the whole aesthetics of it play a huge part, or even some historical magical text with cool drawings and shit [i know of the lesser key of salomon and the most famous ones though]).

From what I know, chaos magic is pretty close to that mindset, I think I might read Liber Null or Principia Discordia.
And have always wanted to read some crowley as well cause it seems cool.

>>17236197
And I like the overrall mood of your post as well, gonna take a look on those books.

did you finish reading your PD, OP?

get ready to go insane. you are better off mentally and physically with buddhist meditation.

>>17239230
It's all pretty much that to different degrees. Crowley can be a difficult read, but possesses a clarity that others lack. He pretty much outright explains everything, which is contrary to just about everyone before him. You just have to have the same front to back understanding of the language he uses or it doesn't do you much good outside of being made of love and wit and poetry. Really, in this age, the arts that have been appropriated like nlp and hypnosis, your interpersonal psychologies and your transactional analysis are more fun.

I don't know if I should say this because it's easy to take the wrong way and fuck you over, but the contents of the ritual don't matter so much as your connection with them and the state of mind they create. I like a folk aesthetic so I just put on my wolf suit and chant when something really needs doing. You can go around the world searching and tasting, but it's not until you actually do something with the most fundamental shit it all shares and turn inward that you find the aesthetic you're looking for.

For you, I'd wager some dungeon synth wouldn't upset you and want to share something that isn't the big 3. http://erang.bandcamp.com/album/tome-ii Puzzle solving gentleman wizard is kinda my thing, but I'm not so big a prick I can't share. I liked it before it was an aesthetic. Don't think of it as sloppy seconds, but a bed warmed up.

>>17223326
can you explain discordianism please?

Fuck off

>>17228719
Who's this guy?

does anyone know if there is a temple of set in maryland/east coast?

not really into LHP that much but would love to find some kinky sex magick bitches and more interesting type of people. im getting bored of regular "witches" or chaos niggaz