Lucifer = Satan True or false?

>>17214488
Put me down for True

People have various ideas, and most will wildly defend their view telling you other views are wrong, wrong, wrong.

I feel Lucifer was the Fallen Angel's original name, and afterwards he is known by the title "Satan" meaning adversary.

>>17214488
look lucifer may as well be a comic book character
the name lucifer was just bad translation
the shining one was probably Nimrod, a king of ancient times
And Satan as been many things, but usually by christian is the god of this worl baal or beelzebub
While the christian God is the God of the kingdom that will come

>>17214488
True AND false

False

>>17214488
False. "Satan" means "adversary" in Hebrew, and never referred to one single entity; "Lucifer" is a Latin term that doesn't even appear in the Bible, meaning "lightbearer". The connection between the two was forged centuries later by Christan philosphers, to increment the whole "fallen angel" thing they came up with. Originally, in the Tanach, there are many "Satans".

But who is The Devil?

Lucifer was the name for the anointed cherub before his fall.
He got named Satan after he fell from heaven. Though he goes by many names these days, he surely does not name himself by either of these two

>>17214488
Lucifer is just god's troll account

>>17214529
Humanities unconscious

>>17214529
The word comes from Greek "Diabolous", which was used to translate Hebrew "Satan". Therefore, Satan = Devil; however, neither of those is Lucifer.

>>17214525
Isiah 14:12 King James version

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

>>17214565
thats a bad translation
the latin word meant son of the morning, or morning star
lucifer is not even aknowledged by any church in this planet

>>17214565
I may have expressed myself incorrectly. "Lucifer" exists, in the KJV, as a translation of "hêlêl", which occurs only once and is correctly translated in the Septuagint as "heōsphoros", that is, the morning star Venus.

Neither is "Lucifer" ever associated with the Devil/Satan nor is it the most appropriate translation in my opinion.

>>17214576
Fuck the church anon, they're in cahoots with ol' Lucy himself

>>17214600
I figured you meant something like that. Figured I'd just be a cunt and prove you "wrong" anyway lol

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>>17214511
Nimrod didn't actually exist, you retard. Unless you mean Nabuchadnezzar? Also the passage was about Helel ben-Shachar. Helel son of the Dawn.

>>17214511
Also, Lucifer is a comic book character. There's a comic based on Lucifer.

>>17214600
>>17214634
Also who would that verse>>17214565
be talking about then? It's obviously a fallen angel

I don't believe in hooga Boooga niggers, sorry.

>>17214624

Any sauce on that, m8?

>>17214488
>>17214499

LUCY FER
PIRNCY PAL

SO WHO DID?

NOBODY,. NOTTA NATTA ZINLK NOTHING

YA GET IT, AND IT LAST FOREVER! YA GET IT?

ah hell with it, KILL THEM ALL, NOT ALL OF THEM!? Yees, all dem foo's. GOOD GOOD, GOOD GOOD.

>>17214722
It's about a star.

>>17214744
What in the fuck are you talking about?

>>17214752
Actual schizophrenia

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>>17214752

just making SURE YOUR NOT A FUCKING SKITZOGRISWADLS!. FUKN SKITZOGRISWARD.! "YOU"


pic related?
PIC RELATED!

>>17214793
where is the "how to screenshot" tab?

>>17214749
Why would they be talking about a literal star? There are other parts in the bible where angels are referred to as stars
>>17214737
This is literally just a tiny piece of it. There are references to Satan/Lucifer/serpent/dragon in Vatican symbology and the pope has made subtle references to satan/lucifer in speeches and not so subtle references to a coming new world order

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=caTodjoE2b0

>>17214806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbiADYVORGE

"Fallen angel"
Seems like he fell from Nibiru (heaven) to Earth (hell)
Have we got our stories mixed?

>>17214829
Nibiru doesn't exist.

>>17214829

it was a comedy.

http://www.artsycraftsy.com/dore_dante.html

>>17214806
Read it within the context; it's definitely about a star.

Also, nowadays the Satan-Lucifer connection is clearly part of Christian canon; I never denied that. What I said is, the Holy Scriptures never EVER mention said connection.

>>17214862
Idk man, I think you just gotta read between the lines a little bit

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>>17214891
SEE POSTS
>>17214836
>>17214986


TWICE!

>>17214488
Technically false given that Lucifer is an angel of God and not originally the snake (Satan) that tempted Eve in the garden.
Satan means adversary, so it doesn't refer to a single entity - but to any that would oppose God.

>>17214834
>implying something undiscovered doesnt exist
>implying scientists are wrong about other planetary bodies in our solar system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYL4aFQFwv0

>>17214565
you got to consider the context. most of that chapter is about babylon and ends with a prophecy against the philistines.

>>17214488
Op here is the real truth. Satan refers to God's anti-Christs. Lucifer refers to God the Father, who's tongue is the double edged sword. He has s both good and bad, heaven and hell, all depends if you are of the Spirit or not. God, Himself, is very based, and every major story has been about Him. He has lived many lives, though has not returned in a long time, but is aslive here now.

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>>17214488
/sci/ here.

Lucifer=Flying Spaghetti Monster

>>17214488
False. Lucifer isn't a proper name. That passage is comparing the King of Babylon to the planet Venus "the morning star" or "Lucifer" meaning a light the shines bright early but then goes out. When they translated Lucifer into english they left it as a proper name which it isn't. Also, Satan in the old testament is a distinct character from Lucifer.

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Jesus Christ = Lucifer incarnate

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

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>>17215226

>>17215265
Maybe what he's saying is that after Lucifer is gone he replaces him on this earth? Idk

>>17214543

lol hahaha accurate and made me audibly giggle

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>>17214525
>And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

You people don't know anything.

>>17214513
And meaningless.

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>>17215265
Blasphemous retard.
Jesus Christ = morning star.
Lucifer = son of the morning.

Big difference. Stop reading a bunch of fake Bible versions and read the King James Bible.

Lucitan = Safer

>>17215130
You mean "serpent" not "snake"
Also, the serpent was never referred to as "satan" either, only as the serpent.

Lucifer is "the other Jesus" aka the Catholic Jesus aka "the anti christ".

>>17214488
This question is homoerotic harry potter fanfiction tier.

Satan is Marduk the son of Ea Enki.

But the Serpent in the Garden was Ningishzidda

Marduks Brother, Enki's other son.

Who is Enki ?

He is Adonai.

Then who is Enlil ?

Yahweh.

En is Sumerian for Lord.

Ki is and old name for Earth

So Enki is the Lord of Earth.

Lil is sumerian for Breath, wind or Command.

As Enlil was the Lord of the Command and what Enlil spoke was done because to speak is to make Wind. And a Command was the Word.

Enlil was the Lord of Fire and Air.

Enlil the Lord of Water and Dust.

Enlil is Zeus, Enki is Poseidon.

False ones basically a prosecution attorney the other is irrelevant to anything.

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>>17214488
checked, but...

>>17214488
some times

satan = adversary .

it's not a name.just like god isnt a name. when lucifer is doing something you could argue he might be but most of the time for most people he wouldnt be

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>>17214488

Bullshit

Satan is what's opposing the divine light.
Matter is the opposite of the light. We are incarnated and shall become light again.
Satan is us. It's what is around us.
We are and live in satan. That's why we should ask him for material possessions.

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Ohhhh yeah Satan in cartoons

>>17214488
Lucifer isn't canon, the Pope said it

>>17214793
Cooo

>>17217946
This man understands.

>>17214513
I came here to post this.

But along with it I was gonna call OP a bitch nigga.

Lucifer is just a rebel that sacrificed everything against an omnipotent dictator.
Was Lucifer right?

>>17214488
Neither true nor false because they don't exist

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>>17217999

u mad?
also upside down trips

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>>17219173

dude their dead i killed them, cgm

just call me clark

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They are different

>>17214525
>"Lucifer" is a Latin term that doesn't even appear in the Bible
no shit bro?

>>17217873

But only in some sense.

>>17214722

Your own bible tells you who it's talking about, dumbass.

"That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon..." Isaiah 14:4

Let's just reiterate that for you and see if it sinks in this time - "king of Babylon".

Do you think Satan and/or Lucifer was the king of Babylon?

>>17217876

So "morning star, son of the dawn" doesn't mean morning star then?!

Okay.

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>>17217938
>You mean "serpent" not "snake"

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>>17217876
>King James Bible

The only one inspired by god.

>>17223605
Metaphorically yes I do

>>17215240
Anon is correct. This is one of the things protestants use to "call Catholics out on their Satanism" . The reason being that in the Easter Exultet, Christ is referred to as "the Morning Star that never sets", which in Latin is "Lucifer, qui nescit occasum". Because Satan is misguidedly labeled "Lucifer" by Protestants, fundamentalists believe that Catholics worship an anti-Christ, or that they are slandering the name of Jesus.

In short, it's just a bunch of people entertaining their close-mindedness instead of engaging in any meaningful interfaith dialogue