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Deep in the Congo jungle, a species of spider is said to exist that can grow up to 5ft across. Entomologists and arachnologists claim that this is impossible because of a spider's respiratory system being too inefficient or something like that. The question is that if these spiders do exist, what evolutionary advancement have they attained that allows them the exceed the proposed spider size-limit?
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That's bullshit, only primates breathe.
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>>17207809
Sounds like some 8-legged freaks bullshit
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>>17207809
Honestly. The way spiders are put together doesn't really work for giant versions. The bigger it is the more weight which means the thicker the legs which means the body has to be more powerful and so on and so forth.

Another thing is spiders move through fluid hydraulics if I remember right and I don't think that would scale up well either.

A giant insect wouldn't be an insect at all. It'd be something else. They'd need to have muscle and bone and all that kinda shit.
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>>17207809
The reason Arthropoda dent eyed a certain size is that exoskeletons are shit at carrying very much weight. These spiders would require a highly advanced circulatory system, exoskeleton and respiratory system in order to even live let alone hunt.
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>>17207849
Dude are u forgetting the dinosaurs
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>>17207849
It did happen when earth had a much higher oxygen mixture. A dense jungle is essentially a hyperbaric chamber.
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>>17207849
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>>17207871
That seems a whole lot cooler than some bullshit arteries
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>>17207809
http://www.scienceworld.ca/why-arent-spiders-bigger
boom
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>>17207865
A dense jungle like in the Congo?
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Oxygen levels are not high enough for insects, and arachnids to grow huge like they used millions of years ago. Something like that.

Also anyone else having a hard time posting? Im doing th captcha right, but it keeps saying i didnt do it.
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>>17207917
Got a little bit of this earlier, seems to have cleared up.
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>>17207899
Possibly. I imagine if that much foliage was producing CO2 instead nothing would survive there long.
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Maybe what these people saw was instead some rare species of crustacean they would be capable of growing to larger sizes
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ya feel me.
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>>17207989
Coconut crab. Slow, herbivorous and not an apex predator.
>>17207994
Lives thousands of feet below the ocean, doesn't have to support its own weight, eats stuff it doesn't have to catch.

Sorry folks, there's no way it'd happen. Square-cube law holds true in biology as well.
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All the spider would have to evolve in order to make this possible is an efficient air pump. Basically, lungs.
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I believe. Where can I hear about this myth??
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>>17207809
Okay, fuck the spiders...what about mokele-mbembe?
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>>17208130

Absolutely, but this is making the assumption that giant spiders will have identical physical properties to regular spiders. Just look at that coconut crab. It's mutant as fuck.
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>>17208306
i wont google that shit
explain
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I would like to see pygmies fighting on those spiders' back
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>>17207864
>atmospheric variations in pressure
>higher oxygen levels

it's okay we all make mistakes
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>>17208409
Or portugeses.
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>>17207849
insects do have muscle, but they wouldn't work on a larger version because of the exoskeleton proportions. think of a giant duck: the legs would simply break, because when you upscale size you do a ^3 in volume and not necessarily a ^3 in resistance
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>>17208130
Spiders arent necessarily active hunters, that the exception not the norm. Not saying you dont have points but the whole not an apex predator / has to catch its own prey angle is flawed.

Smaller spiders arent apex predators either, think different go ask ants and wasps.
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>>17207849
> spider
> insect
Pick one
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Deep in ancient japanese history, a species of crab is said to exist that can grow up to 5ft across. Ichthyologists and crustaceologists claim that this is impossible because of a crab's weak point system being too inefficient or something like that. The question is that if these crabs are actually based on actual battles that actually took place in ancient japan, what evolutionary advancement have they attained that allows them the exceed the proposed massive damage-limit?
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>>17208862
Supposedly a remnant dinosaur in the sauropod family that dwells somewhere in the congo river basin.
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>>17208873
I'm just saying that spiders used to be that big, so it could happen.
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>>17209132
Oh yeah that one is real, just very rare and aggressive so they won't tell us.
Also if they were to just tell us all the cryptids that actually exist it would cause mass hysteria.
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>>17207809
>be an explorer in Africa hundreds of years ago
>seeing all kinds of weird new animals and nature
>lived my whole life in some modern society, most of it in schools, so Its overwhelming
>see a bird eating spider
>Only before had seen common household spiders
>freak the fuck out and tell other people I saw a giant ass spider, the size of a man because Im overreacting with all the fear and anxiety
>word gets passed around of giant man eating spiders and a legend is born

Same thing with how a lot of monster legends start. You have a settler in early America see a grizzly bear, he tells everyone he saw a giant fury beats with claws, sharp teeth, 9ft tall and could kill a man and bam you have some spooky monster stories
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>>17207865
Even so ancient spiders were as big as the biggest ones today are, at best.
>>17207849
This anon semi knows his shit
Arachnids have book lungs and those are shit outside of water
Still a novel idea and makes for some good spooks
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>>17209071
Not necessarily apex but stupidly efficient killing machines when they want to be at least.

Depending on what type of spider it is, at that size, it would either have to be hella fast or hella poisonous.

>tarantula owner here
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>>17208145
with lungs it would also be able to have bigger brains
... giant smart spiders
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>>17208404
If you look at arthropods, you see generally the larger they get, the slower they get. At some point they are too big to be effective out of water, so that's where most of them larger than a hand evolved to live. Where is the breaking point between a massive arthropod able to predate on land with and sort of movement and just being a different animal? The press of evolution never really squeezed one out in current atmospheric conditions.
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Maybe it's not really a spider but some other cryptoid that looks kind of like a spider but those dumb savages just think they're giant spiders.
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>>17209800
Quite frankly I find the idea of a bug, that thinks, OFFENSIVE.
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>>17209424
>You have a settler in early America see a grizzly bear,
I think the euros knew about bears anon.
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>>17209120
RIDGE RACEEEEER
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>>17207864
>dinosaurs were insects
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>>17209336
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>>17207849
>Another thing is spiders move through fluid hydraulics if I remember right and I don't think that would scale up well either.

This is wrong.

Musculature based on compressing fluids would scale up pretty well, and could serve as psuedo-bones as well. They'd still require normal muscles around the bladders, but the bladders themselves could exert a lot of pushing force, which regular muscles aren't great at.
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>>17207809

Giant crabs are big, and they are fine on land
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>>17207846
Apparently British Safari hunters encountered them during the empire and documented encounters with them.
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>>17209120
Ridge Racer.
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>>17209120
GIANT ENEMY CRAB APPEARS!
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>>17211432
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>>17208130
That water pressure is extremely high. It would have to counter the weight of the all the water directly above itself.
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>>17207953
Plants absorb co2 and produce o2, anon.
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>>17209120
HIT ITS WEAK POINT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE
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>>17210766
this snibs the snab
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>>17207989
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>>17207989
>be crab
>carry your own butter sauce into which your flesh after you have been cooked alive can be dipped
>people still argue against intelligent design
This giant fucker was put on this world by god for man to eat and lose his fingers to!
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>>17209424
'explorers' weren't these pampered pussies who shrieked at the first sight of a bug. These were some of the most hardened realists of their era, actually experiencing the wild for what it was and not sitting in the comfort of the city. I'd sooner believe a journal entry of a proven man like Percy Fawcett than the speculation of 'scientists' who have never been out in the field.
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Maybe something like this was the "spider"?
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>>17212654
lvl 1 character in WoW
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>>17208306
I want to believe that dinosaurs survived.
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>>17212654
>crabs ripped my flesh
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spiders will evolve and eventually kill us off and replace us this is the truth they are the next apex pred
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>>17213206
We mustn't overlook the cephalopoda threat.
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>>17213200
David Bowie?
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>>17212872
Whoa, is this legit?
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>>17207809
We talking about this here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jba_Fofi

> 1938: Congo, Reginald and Margurite Lloyd were driving a Ford truck through a trail when they reportedly spotted a spider as large as a monkey. It resembled a tarantula, but had an estimated leg-span of 5 feet.

Help.
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>>17211841
What he meant was that o2 production is that high in these areas that if it WAS co2, the output wouldn't let anything live long enough there.
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>>17207875
but point is it cant function in large organisms such as humans
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>>17213255
>cryptozoological
>wiki
>"This article relies largely or entirely upon a single source."

Are you fucking serious, you can't use that as a- Oh shit, sorry, I forgot where I was.

Carry on, autist.
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>>17213246
Yes. Visit you local muesum of natural history, they always have one. Samller versions of the same species can also be found in fish shops or restaurants.
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>>17209776
>tarantula owner
>cant differentiate between venom and poison
>no
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>>17207809
Oh bongo bongo bongo get the hell out of the congo
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>>17207864
Yeah, because dinosaurs had long thin legs that start from the side, go up and then bend down.
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>>17207849
This. Spiders of that size would also suffocate to death.
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>>17211831
You clearly have no idea how hydrostatic pressure works.
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>respitory system being too inefficient or something like that.

That is true of literally every living thing on the planet. That's why things were bigger when the atmosphere was thinner in ye olde prehistoric time....the thing atmosphere compensated for everything's shitty ability to process air.
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>>17213792
Not exactly.
The atmosphere was just as thick and more rich in oxygen.
That's why insects had to be so big since they breathe through their skin, bigger dimensions, less surface per mass. Smaller ones would actually get too much oxygen.
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>>17207809
what if they have endo and exo skeletons?
I feel /sci/ or even /an/ would be better suited to explaining this sort of giant spider theory.
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>>17207989
seconds before that dog was ripped to shreds
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>>17213792
The opposite of correct. Back in't day the atmosphere was thicker and oxygen enriched.
This meant that every haemoglobin molecule in the blood was saturated with oxygen and there was also unbound dissolved oxygen independent of the haemoglobin also in the blood.
Read about deep diving and nitrogen narcosis for a better understanding of ventilating under pressure.

Also, guys, what about a symbiotic relationship between a giant spider and an ATP producing skin parasite? Then it wouldn't need a top notch circulatory system as the external microbes would produce the ATP 'on site' so to speak.
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>>17208293
Google "J'ba fofi" >>17208293
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>>17207838
Wow, I don't even begin to herp till somebody derps this badly.
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>>17213844
Offer a counter argument if I'm wrong but due to an arachnid's way of growing (ecdissys) this wouldn't work
If this fungi penetrated the skin to where it was present on both the outer layer (protective hardened exoskeleton) and the inner (the one growing under) then this would create weak "spots" on the spider's skin. This would be susceptible to infection and just plain old physical force which spiders today are already very sensitive to. This sounds like a shitty trade off to me.
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>>17207809
These spiders are not found on Earth. They are from Mars. Their leader goes by the name of 'Ziggy'.
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>>17214323
ziggy is the leader of goblins,not spiders
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>>17213789
>you clearly have no idea
>clearly
>no idea
>clearly

Saw this one coming. No. I understand how fluid density and depth, and acceleration of gravity interact.
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>>17213229
my thoughts exactly
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>>17209424

Yeah because bears were totally unknown to Europeans before that.
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>>17207809

It could be some sort of a animal that diverged from spiders. But since spiders internal workings are trash tier for big stuff it would probably have to have a endoskeleton and a muscular system, along with a bunch of other stuff
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>>17212872
>>17213246
>>17213397
We eat them is Spain. But samaller ones.
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>>17214418
I hope this is bait
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>>17212872
Guy looks too happy to hold that
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>>17208404
bigger isnt better, a small spider with millions of babies is far more successful than a horse sized that spider with predators.
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wa yaye coco jombo wa yaye
eyo
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>>17215684
fucking spiders
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Ever heard of the Carboniferous period?
No?
Look it up.
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>>17207864
holy shit, you're one stupid fuck.
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>>17215920
Fun fact: It isn't the Carboniferous period anymore.
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>>17207809
This spider exists. I have seen it in my travels.
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>>17214093
unless the exoskeleton is permeable to ATP, no idea of the relative size of ATP vs spider bone pores, not a spider expert. In fact, I fucking hate spiders, those guys are bastards, I hope they can't grow big!
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>>17209305
Oh cool you got proof?
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>>17216389
>a nigger with eight rakes,
>doesn't make a spider,
>EVEN IN THE DARK.

deal with it.
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>>17207809
What about this snake?

http://cryptidz.wikia.com/wiki/50_Foot_Congo_Snake
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>>17218562
>Spider bone pores
What the fuck am I reading?
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>>17216389
So share the story, at least earn being a tripfag put some effort into it.
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>>17207838
google cellular respiration
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>>17213206
>not giving the spiders the D
It was as if you don't even "monster girl", anon.
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>>17214789
Build wall you fucking spic
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>>17207809

Well, let's think about what would be required:

>exoskeleton would become redundant and a suitable endoskeleton would need to develop, as they wouldn't be able to survive during a molt if they were relying on an exoskeleton to support themselves
>legs would need to be much thicker and grow straight down, or it would literally do nothing but drag itself around because it takes too much energy keeping itself up
>respiratory system would need to change from simple book-lungs to lungs more like a mammals, to allow for greater gas exchange
>musculature would need to change to suit an endoskeleton over an exoskeleton
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>>17207809
And this is why I own a shotgun!
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>>17215903
Made me throw my fucking phone across the room, fuck you!
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>>17207989
Damn, i love animals and nature shows etc but I've never heard of or seen those things before. Very cool
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>>17207809
>The question is that if these spiders do exist, what evolutionary advancement have they attained that allows them the exceed the proposed spider size-limit?
lungs
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>>17207865
no it isn't
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>>17209093
>look at me I know what an arachnid is
>now's my time to show everyone I'm not a fucking retard with my elementary school knowledge written in the most meme way possible
>yay! I'm smart!

kill yourself
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>>17207809
oxygen levels where higher back in the days. Could have been possible.
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>>17219083
so your mad cause he was right or?
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>>17219086
>back in the day
ya if you mean millions of years ago
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>>17218736
or look at a dog
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>>17209800
i actually clenched my asshole in fear
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>>17208404
Those "giant spiders" have too many amazing qualities to exist solely in some remote location, and it's such a evolutionary breakthrough that you wonder why only some spiders have it

As much as I'd like Giant Spiders, they are not happening
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>>17209120
Maybe they're cyborg crabs created by gas demons by mixing bacteria with rapid-evolution juice
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So is this where that spider bullshit in Uncharted 3 came from? Uncharted has a habit of explaining its spooky shit and that's the one thing they left unexplained.
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>>17220199
>nostalgia
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>>17207809
>metros
>kek
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>>17214074
>herp
>derp
reddit faggotry, please leave
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>>17207849
Giant bugs did exist once.

As well as 2 feet long scorpions

But that was due to the fact that oxygen content was much more concentrated back then.

Something that makes giant insects impossible today. Since the size of invertebrates is directly dependant on that.
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>>17222128
>being this new
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>>17207809
THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT THERE ARE NO HUMAN SIZED SPIDERS NOR SHAPE SHIFTING SPIDERS ACTING AS HUMAN

ITS ALL LIZARDS AND JEWS OK? NOW STOP LOOKING FOR SPIDERS
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>>17222221
Look at the anatomical difference from the organisms you mentioned and an arachnid
They don't scale up well.
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>>17222741
That's exactly what a Giant Shape Shifting Spider trying to pass for a Human would say.
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>>17207809
It's secretly Tobey Maguire.
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>>17210383
Nice, SST
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>>17207864
Please tell me this is bait.
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>>17222741

spider being defense force detected

this interview clearly lays out the fact that ancient race of spider beings created and control humanity and in fact all life on this planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuHf4DXgJnI
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>>17213212
>threat
>actually just 8x the hugs
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>>17207838
all living organisms breathe

>>17207809
>said to have existed
perhaps they never did?

spiders and insects breathe through vents between their legs. larger organisms need hears and lungs to transport the oxygen through the body. a 1.5M spider wouldnt have been a spider
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>>17213024

And where are there?
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>>17207809
>species of spider is said
People say a lot of things, that doesn't mean they're true. Jordan Pearce says that Jews are from space and the moon was placed in orbit by ancient aliens, for example.
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>>17221749
this i miss this game so much
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>>17227797
You can find it online pretty easily, you know.
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>>17209305

>aggressive creature just roaming around
>they don't tell anyone about it because... reasons
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If we don't have a meter long spider in Australia I really doubt they got one in the Congo
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>>17213024
They did. You even see them everyday.
Birds are dinosaurs
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>>17207809
its called spoderman
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i read somewhere that this pornstar claimed that she was in some weird japanese underground porn thing, and like women were being fucked by dogs and other animals, and she claimed to be fucked by a giant spider.
Anyone else read this?
also
news.yahoo.com/goliath-encounter-puppy-sized-spider-surprises-scientist-rainforest-125720953.html
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>>17224375
Underrated post
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>>17207809

it's possible and 100% confirmed fact

don't expect to see any in our lifetime unless they emerge from the depths right before the next major cataclysm (soon).
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>be crazy fucking jungle bunny
>decide to fuck rest of africa by making giant spiders
>train spiders to come to me once a day through selective breeding
>give them a bunch of oxygen to make them grow larger over generations
>release 6 foot wide spiders upon africa
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>>17213255
Arachnophobes tend to see spiders larger than they really are.
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>>17213024
>>17208306
They showed pictures of different animals to the tribesmen who report the existence of Mokele Mbembe. Without exception and without delay, they all pointed to the picture of the elephant. An isolated species of forest/jungle elephant, that's all it is.
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>>17215903
That scared the shit out of me
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>>17229138
Not just any dinosaurs, they're the dinosaurs that were badass enough to survive the dino apocalypse.
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>>17226578
>>17218736
>>17214074
>taking this guy seriously

Wow /x/ is gullible
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>>17209305
>mass hysteria
>because animals exist on the other side of the world
Kek
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>>17209800
They don't have to be big to be smart. The Portia spider not only exclusively hunts other spiders (often far larger species), but is capable of creating and even modifying unique hunting and trapping strategies for each individual species, including pretending to be trapped in the prey spider's web and even performing the mating dance of another spider species. It can also remember successful strategies and reuse them when faced with another spider of the same species as past prey.
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>>17214482
>I understand how fluid density and depth, and acceleration of gravity interact.
But not hydrostatic pressure, apparently.
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>>17222741
Man-Spider
Man-Spider
Does whatever a man-spider does
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>>17229415
She was probably just high as fuck.

Porn and hard drugs go hand in hand
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>>17210766
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>>17215903
Fuck you!
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>>17207864
LOL
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>>17215903
ya got me
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>>17213255
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jba_Fofi

Holy fuck.. I remember reading about that years ago. That's the stuff of nightmares.
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