>>17174275 >>17174275 I shit on the shastras and vedas. And if shiva truly serves Krsna i shall rape such a Mahadev. No book contains the truth, its better to stop searching if thats how you plan on doing it.
>>17174456 Not really. I have been practicing some form of krija Yoga and somadi yoga for some 5-6 years now and am reading my way through vedic scripture, basically on my own. Have read the Gita various times and extensively and conversed with the bhaktis as well. Also read through the Bhagavata Purana and am halfway into the Shiva Purana. I could not want to be anywhere else in my life at this point.
Everyone who desires to be free from all anxieties should always hear about, glorify and remember the Personality of Godhead, who is the supreme director of everything, the extinguisher of all difficulties, and the Supersoul of all living entities." (SB 2.1.5)
Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.” (Bhagavad-gita 7.20)
And so far Lord Shiva is concerned, he is the husband of mother Durgā, the supreme material power, srsti-sthiti-pralaya sādhana-saktir ekā chāyeva yasya bhuvanāni vibharti durgā [Bs. 5.44]. So the devotee of Shiva gets all material benediction, and Vaishnava, instead of material benediction, he gets all spiritual benediction. That is the difference.
>>17178097 >You give mercy you recieve mercy Fairly certain you didn't get that from Prabhupada. He's a cynic with a verging on fascism attitude towards other forms of Yoga and his translation of the Gita is dubious in many places. People on here have been pointing that out by using quotes of it. So yeah, don't come giving me this love and peace vibe now. P was a fundamentalist of a sectarian stream of Krishna bhakti.
>>17178106 Ok. Ill just tell you how ot was paying respects.
To me, god is everything. Mahadev has created everything and he is everything. Saying something is not sacred or less sacred than something else for me is like saying god is good and then saying hes bad for no reason. I name this Bhairav, you name the god Krsna. It makes no difference inthe end as both of them are Mahadev, God
>>17178115 >I can see your not really trained in anything besides being behind a computer screen
And you even seem to fail at that. I'm not the Aghori guy and you don't know anything about me nor of my knowledge of the Vedas which might even be bigger than yours. The fact that you don't know what Aghori is says a lot as well.
> I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts." >Arjuna said: "You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me."
>Of all the Rudras I am Lord Śiva; of the Yakṣas and Rākṣasas I am the lord of wealth [Kuvera]; of the Vasus I am fire [Agni], and of the mountains I am Meru.
>>17178142 Holy shit. I think in real life I couldn't bear even the physical presence of you, due to my conceptions of what is pure, but here I really enjoy having you around. Strange perks of the internet.
>>17178156 >implying I was making fun of you. I was making several points here >>17178139 and here >>17178145 You just chose to ignore them and continue to do so. Stay ignorant, but then don't act so high and mighty, fag
>>17178156 Nah im more of a faggot. Choose a more autistic picture.
>>17178152 Im actually not as disgusting as you think irl. Im not a sanyassin at the moment and thus live as a normal human, with a small apartment and job as a trashman. >>17178159 > -> he doesnt get postmodern greentext >
Sukadeva Gosvami said: Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali
>>17178212 No. It is a conscious practice. You could even say it is the most difficult of paths out there, even though it looks like complete freedom of restriction. Like injana Yoga or bhakti may look difficult at first glance but then it's actually simple because it partially frees you from taking responsibility for lots of aspects of your self and your life.
>>17178257 >the athiest guy He was actually a very just ruler, look it up. Not that you would care. And here's why you wouldn't. Because you are projecting your dualistic matrix of good and evil onto the rainbow that is Vedic knowledge of transcendence. You wouldn't understand if you tried why 'ignorance'/tamas isn't the evil of Christianity. You also wouldn't understand most likely why Vishnu and Siva shouldn't be differentiated from each other. My guess is that you have been reading into some Vaishnavite texts and that's it.
>>17178275 >as the fourteenth incarnation, assuming the form of Nrsimha (the Man-Lion), the Lord tore open the chest region of the powerful Hiranyakashipu with his nails just as a mat-maker would tear the reeds.
Different translations, I think atheists in context means opposed to God.
Like how dharma and adharma, video and avidya, theism and atheism (directly opposed atheism)
>>17178257 >>17178285 >Different translations This is exactly the point and the problem with ISKCON and Prabhupad. They are infusing their ideology into the text in very small but significant moments to change and obscure the meaning. This is programmatic with all ISKCON and Prabhupad books and people have to be told and made aware of this. They are tainting scripture with their own agenda, and not just in aggressive purport.
>>17178333 Of course it isn't mentioned in the Gita, that is part of the practice.
These two translations ->>17178285 ->>17178257 Don't different that much and there isn't some ulterior motive.
The Mahamantra is part of the practice of Yoga, just because it isn't written down in the Gita doesn't mean you don't practice it. There is all kinds of different practices, but the Gita is essentially the summary of all of them.
>>17178315 Refering to 'bhakti' as 'devotional service' ('please read our ISKCON purport to see how this works) and not simply 'devotion'. Having a radical commentary shoved in your face after literally every single verse. Referring to yoga as 'mysticism' where it is described as difficult and as 'bhakti yoga' where the text says 'yoga' and is referring to the benefits of the practice. Referring to Siva Mahadev as 'demigod'.
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated. BG 9 12
>>17178360 >quoting mistranslations of holy scripture
I believe you have smoked out half your brains already. Unfortunately ignorant speculators like you speak very loud. You are actually hurting the cause you want to support, not that you'd be able to see this.
>>17178375 >which is the same in both books. It is essentially not. ISKCON bhakti is telling you that all you have to do is just think of Krishna 24/7 and then you'll be fine. The Gita tells you to become and be a yogi before anything else. (Chapter 6) Bhakti is described as the crown of yoga. It is not mentioned that you can just skip all thats necessary and just ascend to Krishna. At least that is only an interpretation of it. And a radical and dubious one if you read the book carefully.
>>17178386 >>17178392 I have shown the mistranslation of various verses by Prabhupad by quoting his own work. >>17178398 You have to translate it yourself from sanskrit using dictionaries and different translations to compare it to. Unfortunatelly. It's work, so I doubt you'd be up for it honestly
>>17178352 Just smoked, desu id do heroin if prabhupada told me to. Id kill myself if he told me to. Can i join the iscon clubnow? You guys seem to have bdsm parties, or kirtan how you cal it, the seem pretty dank.
>>17178408 I don't carry three books with me at the moment, but given that you have nothing else to do but hang around here and smoke weed, we'll run into each other again and I'll repeat the points I made in other threads -which you seem to happen to forget, because you were in them. But again, probably can't blame a stoner.
>>17178435 >>17178455 In 12.6-7 he mistranslates 'yoga' into 'bhakti yoga', which is not in the sanskrit nor in the direct context of the verse. He differs from all other translations here. In 12.9 he again puts bhakti yoga into the translation where it isn't in the text nor in the context. He differs from all other translations here. In 12.20 he mistranslates 'dharma' To name a few. Also and -no, that's not a small issue- he uses his purport to aggressively direct you away from any practice of yoga that isn't ISKCON Bhakti on the whole of chapter 6
>>17178464 read here. >>17178415 I was in other threads with this individual before and he decides to not recall it. You can clearly see P strive from the meaning of the text in his own translation if you read carefully.
>>17178472 For one who worships Me, giving up all his activities unto Me and being devoted to Me without deviation, engaged in devotional service and always meditating upon Me, who has fixed his mind upon Me, O son of Pṛthā, for him I am the swift deliverer from the ocean of birth and death. My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me. He who follows this imperishable path of devotional service and who completely engages himself with faith, making Me the supreme goal, is very, very dear to Me.
>>17178473 >>17178472 Also I have said numerous times that the use of 'devotional service', a trademark iskcon expression is missleading as is the constant of calling Siva a demigod, which is simply arrogant.
>>17178488 Devotion/devotional service, it means the same.
If I translated the Bhagavad Gita for someone who couldn't read the dialect/knew little about krsna/little about yoga, I would change the words so it would suit the person learning krsnasome message.which doesn't change.
>>17178506 >Devotion/devotional service, it means the same. That's what you picked up from my post? Kek, I get it- the rest would mean actual effort. >>17178509 I give up, if you're too dumb to comprehend my post, you'll stay dumb anyway. Go keep confusing Christianity/Good-Evil with Vedic teachings.
>>17178545 >>17178533 Ok in all honesty, whats the point of arguing beliefs or transelation? In the end its just different version. Only a person can choose which one is ture to them, there isnt "one universally true BG or SP. Iscon isnt worse than any other religion in this case.
The real form of this tree cannot be perceived in this world. No one can understand where it ends, where it begins, or where its foundation is. But with determination one must cut down this tree with the weapon of detachment. So doing, one must seek that place from which, having once gone, one never returns, and there surrender to that Supreme Personality of Godhead from whom everything has begun and in whom everything is abiding since time immemorial.
The endeavoring transcendentalist, who is situated in self-realization, can see all this clearly. But those who are not situated in self-realization cannot see what is taking place, though they may try to.
>whoever knows Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without doubting, is to be understood as the knower of everything, and he therefore engages himself in full devotional service, O son of Bharata
The Absolute Truth is the objective of devotional sacrifice, and it is indicated by the word sat. These works of sacrifice, of penance and of charity, true to the absolute nature, are performed to please the Supreme Person, O son of Pṛthā.
>>17178695 >My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me.
Alright then: atha cittaṁ samādhātuṁ na śaknoṣi mayi sthiram abhyāsa-yogena tato mām icchāptuṁ dhanañ-jaya
>abhyāsa-yogena Prabhupada: abhyāsa-yogena — by the practice of devotional service Actual translation: from abhyasan — practicing abhyāsa-yogena — by the practice of yoga The assumption and additon of bhakti or ISKCON trademark 'devotional service' here is not explicitly given in the context of the verses before or after. The verse tells Arjun to practice yoga to fix his mind on Krishna. He is not telling him to practice another way of yoga (ISKCON bhakti) - the part in the speech of Krishna is about the AIM of yogic practice and not as Prabhupada puts it the concept of HOW to practice. You can either focus on the immaterial brahman WHEN YOU MEDITATE (12,5) or since this is hard, you can also focus your YOGIC practice on Krishna as a person, since this might come easier to you. Nowhere does he recommend to not practice the yoga of chapter 6 here, as ISKCON wants you to believe by their deceptive translation of the verses and the purport in this chapter.
>>17178738 You dont realize that prabhupada knew that westerners arent smart enough for full yoga yet? Prabhupada probably asumed that bhakti yoga will be the most appropriate way to start off the westerners on spirituality.
Yes he fucks up his transelations, but he sucks dick. Krsnites are man whores.
>>17178753 >Prabhupada probably asumed that bhakti yoga will be the most appropriate way to start off the westerners on spirituality. He assumed this because he was a radical Vaishnavite. So he tried to sell his ideology which might suit for sattva guna people to anyone, regardless of their state of consciousness or in a very interesting interpretation of what sattva guna is at least. Telling people 'anyone can do it, just give us your selfresponsibility and keep chanting hare hare krishna until you're brain is gone' is basically selling the goal as the path. Best case it is lying for a considerably 'good cause'. It's still a lie in my book. And he may have payed for it.
>My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me. Heck, what he even actually says is, if you can't concentrate on me, use the techniques of yoga to focus on me. >My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the principles of yoga. In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me.
And befor eyou go 'Hurr durr ISKCON's bhakti yoga and Mahamantra is yoga as well' - It is not the yoga and the yogic techniques that are being described and recommended in the Gita. Chapter 6 describes it.
>>17178777 You know nothing about the philosophy of Lord Chaitanya and Gaudiya-Vaishnavism in general. Bhakti Yoga is the highest path, and the prescribed method for spiritual perfection in this age is the mahamantra.
>>17178830 >You know nothing about the philosophy of Lord Chaitanya and Gaudiya-Vaishnavism in general Yet I'm the one who is able to quote the scripture in it's original language. Also I know for once that Chaitanya is post Gita philosophy and a sectarian interpretation of its teachings. Go smoke some more weed and play videogames before you think you can lecture me
>>17178850 The question however is what bhakti and how it looks like. And by what you say, it's clearly you follow ISKCON with their aloof interpretation of that subject. Keep telling you didn't regard the comments all you want, we know you are a buyer into Prabhupad's system
His books helped me gain a better understanding of God when I first found some a while back. I love the dude, he has simple wisdom in some of his other books.
His teachings still praise Krsna, and this is all that is important.
And Krsna as the Supreme Person, and all Yoga is doino is ceasing the fluctuations of the mind so it can have a betthere understanding of God, in Spirit, which is the important message for the people of today who lack in spirit
>>17178913 >I don't see chant "om" in the Bhagavad Gita that doesn't mean don't do it. You don't even know the Gita
oṁ ity ekākṣaraṁ brahma vyāharan mām anusmaran yaḥ prayāti tyajan dehaṁ sa yāti paramāṁ gatim >After being situated in this yoga practice and vibrating the sacred syllable oṁ, the supreme combination of letters[...] oṁ tat sad iti nirdeśo brahmaṇas tri-vidhaḥ smṛtaḥ brāhmaṇās tena vedāś ca yajñāś ca vihitāḥ purā
tasmād oṁ ity udāhṛtya yajña-dāna-tapaḥ-kriyāḥ pravartante vidhānoktāḥ satataṁ brahma-vādinām >Therefore, transcendentalists undertaking performances of sacriﬁce, charity and penance in accordance with scriptural regulations begin always with oṁ, to attain the Supreme.
Is there anything you do know at all about the book? I think it's time you stop posting.
>>17178961 U got me on the "om" part I meant to use that as an example, like the Bhagavad Gita doesn't say do laundry, but I should do laundry. I haven't read mine in a while because I left it at someone's house.
>>17178961 >It's still not mentioned in the Gita Never said it was but it is a part of the religion. Everything isn't in the Gita. "For the statement " There is a text for this does not justify a practice. People should realize that the context of the texts (the Vedas) apply in general, but each actual practice is for one particular region." -Vatsyayana
>>17179019 Like all religious organizations become infiltrated. Priests molesting little kids, fake monks, and you guys think the teachings of the religious doctrine is the cause. >If, however, you do not fight this religious war, then you will certainly incur sins for neglecting your duties and thus lose your reputation as a fighter.
>>17179051 Right. This may be a consequence of obsession of perfection in ritualism while ignoring the supremacy of "living wisdom" or considering it too lofty a goal to be obtained (and therefore not even trying to endeavor for it).
>>17179101 And it's the same reason they killed Jesus.
>who is this simple man telling the people about God >we should kill Him because of the threat He presents
Likewise, ISKCON (at its heart, its teachings) is a threat to said power structures.
And the people in charge are there because of the use of "religious masks" and deceive mankind this way.
The world is going to die, all of our material bodies are going to pass away. No object we crave is permanent.
The soul, and it's source, The Supersoul, God, Krsna, it is so easy if you believe in religion, because everyone forgets the soul for the sake of the vane implications rather than focus in the soul, which is what religion is supposed to be
>>17179101 Yes! Devotion to shAstra over the sects (not just ISKCON) that interpret shAstra is the surest means to quelling disputes.
Also, I have no problem with Prabhupada, and in fact think he's done a great thing by producing translations of works that had (at the time) been only available to those with a rigorous understanding of Sanskrit. I think his general discourses and commentaries were aimed at being more practical and getting people prepared to become vessels for transcendental devotion and wisdom. But most people don't go past the preparatory phases and think that the rituals and stuff are the be-all and end-all.
If your message is all about loving God, you can never be wrong, until your message stops being about that <3
>>17179124 >Yes! Devotion to shAstra over the sects (not just ISKCON) that interpret shAstra is the surest means to quelling disputes.
The Gaudiya-Vaishnava Way is through three checks: guru, sashtra, sadhu. Truth is checked through your spiritual master, through your readings of the revealed scriptures, and through the community of saints and devotees. Like the checks and balances of the US govt., this system helps restrain the impulses of personal mental speculation to erroneously interpret scripture, it helps quell the urge in spiritual masters to develop cultish ways, and it helps keep the general direction of the community focused on the spiritual.
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