GAUDIYA VAISHNAVA GENERAL

>>17174054
Why the fuck was Krishna cheering when Ghatotkach was killed.

>>17174138
He was killed by Karna, and so Arjuna was protected (as the weapon could only be used once)

>>17174054
Krishna is a really gay god. How does it feel to practice an eternally wrong dharma?

Hare Hare Mahadev!

>>17174182
Your Shiva is the greatest devotee of Krsna.

>>17174166
So why was he cheering. He even said he would have killed Ghatotkach himself.

>>17174182
The Arjuna thing was never confirmed. Meanwhile, Shiva jizzed into Agni's mouth to give birth to Kartikeya

>>17174233
That I can't answer.

>>17174208
Shiva shits on your puny god. No incarnation of Visnu can overshadow Mahadev, because light is temporary. The void is what is eternal.

>>17174054
Why did Prabhupada use snuff and tell devotees to not use tobacco?

>>17174246
Shiva jizzes on all devas.

Hare hare!

>>17174262
Show me proof from any sastra.

Vaishnavanam Yatha Shambu

http://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/12/13/16

>>17174275
>>17174275
I shit on the shastras and vedas. And if shiva truly serves Krsna i shall rape such a Mahadev.
No book contains the truth, its better to stop searching if thats how you plan on doing it.

Hare Hare Mahadev!

>>17174303
Your post speaks for itself.

>>17174314
Your lack of knowledge of shaivite tradition speaks for itself.

>>17174324
Are you initiated? Have you read the Shiva Purana? If not, from where are you getting your information?

>>17174263
Pure raganuga Bhakti is beyond the rules and regulations.

>>17174334
Guruji Baba Gauri. Aghori sect. Not fully initiated, because family does not allow me to go to sannyas.

>>17174359
>that cynic
>pure bhakti
top kek


>>17174403
>Aghori sect
Well color me surprised. I guess you're the only yogi who doesn't need an excuse to browse 4chan.

>>17174427
:) no hard feelings on Krsna though in all honesty. Although he is a bit... On the homo side if youd ask me.

Youre a full time bhakt or not planning to be?

>>17174456
Not really. I have been practicing some form of krija Yoga and somadi yoga for some 5-6 years now and am reading my way through vedic scripture, basically on my own. Have read the Gita various times and extensively and conversed with the bhaktis as well. Also read through the Bhagavata Purana and am halfway into the Shiva Purana. I could not want to be anywhere else in my life at this point.

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>>17174054

Everyone who desires to be free from all anxieties should always hear about, glorify and remember the Personality of Godhead, who is the supreme director of everything, the extinguisher of all difficulties, and the Supersoul of all living entities." (SB 2.1.5)

>>17174054
"Poo in loo"

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>>17174182
>>17174208

Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.” (Bhagavad-gita 7.20)

And so far Lord Shiva is concerned, he is the husband of mother Durgā, the supreme material power, srsti-sthiti-pralaya sādhana-saktir ekā chāyeva yasya bhuvanāni vibharti durgā [Bs. 5.44]. So the devotee of Shiva gets all material benediction, and Vaishnava, instead of material benediction, he gets all spiritual benediction. That is the difference.

>>17174054
DESIGNATED

>>17177860
SHITTING

>>17174182
>>17174262
Can't believe how shameless you are

I know it's 4 chan but being shiva bhakt and using such language.

First of all stop dividing vedic religion.If you are worshipping Vedic gods then thats that. No more vashnavism and shavaism.

Krishna or shiva never used such term to categorize their devotees.

If you worship Vedic god or follow Vedic scripture you are Dharmic person.
> Krishna is a really gay god


How do you know?

Have you seen krishna?


Is it mentioned in BG?

You are talking crap becoz of these stupid iscon and prabhupada images.

>>17177644
>uotes vaishnava biased book
>vaishnavas and shaivas have had a fight for domination in india for centuries
>calls it proof

Mahadeva will rape Krsnas corpse

>>17177952
Yes i have seen Krsna, i enjoyed fuckinghis ass very much, he loved mine too. The guy is into scat.

You have no knowledge of aghora or non vedanta sects dont you?

>>17177969
I mean, you should represent whatever god you worship within respect

And you only managed to show you read the Troll Puruna

>>17177952
I wouldn't worry about it. People keep trying to take down iskcon threads

>>17177984
My god serves me as a toilet, he deserves no respect.

Ive never read any puranas but i can testify using them as toilet paper works amazingly well

Chapter X - The Yoga of Manifestation


Krishna said:
O Arjuna, listen once again
To My supreme word that I shall speak to you,
Who are dear, for your welfare.


Neither the Devas
Nor the great sages know My origin,
Because I am the origin of all Devas and sages also.


One who knows Me as the unborn,
The beginningless, and the Supreme Lord of the universe,
Is considered wise among the mortals,
And gets liberation from the bondage of Karma.

>>17177978
No point in arguing with you. Go eat a corpse.

>>17177997
Will do.

>>17177997
But all jokes aside. Why did prbhupada use snuff and tell his followers tobacco is prohibited? Isnt it hypocritical?

>>17178011
I mean the way you speak is like using snuff tobacco so there isn't really a difference between the hypocrisy between you and him

>>17178018
I preach hypocrisy.
And im not saying that is not ok - Guruji did similar things, but he didnt preach that they were prohibited.

And i dont think you realize this but i was giving your god great respect through ny words. Everything is sacred, why do you create the duality of nice andharsh words?

>>17178011
I dont care. I am not a bhakt of prabhupada and I hate these terms like vashnavism and shavaism. I believe in vedic scriptsures,Vedic gods and buddhism.

>>17178011
why did shiva smoke crack with naked monkeys

>>17178035
Everything is sacred.

>>17174303
>Hare Hare Mahadev!
do you know the difference between hari, hara, and hare?

>>17178047
lord shiva never smoked crack tho

>>17178026
No you guys keep trying to troll iskcon threads

>>17178059
Not at all, i was showing my respects to Krsna.

>>17177952

Do you know what aghori is? Apparently not

>>17178053
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Noooo, really? Gosh darn it. Ithought he did.

>>17178018
He's not telling you to fucking follow him, dipshit. Also way to ditch the point.

>>17178072
>krishna is a really gay god. How does it feel to practice an eternally wrong dharma?
>Wuz jus showin hem sum raspeckt

>>17178059
>you guys

>implying iskcon doesn't more than deserve to be criticized on a formal level.
Fuck off for trying to generalize here.

>>17178081
Dude prabhupada tells us not to drink tea, like nigga it isn't hard to make the decision for yourself and drink some tea.

If you commit a wrong doing like having snuff, you would want God to forgive you. If you want God to forgive you, you let other people's wrongdoings slide likewise.

You give mercy you recieve mercy

>>17178088
Do a little reading about Aghori Yoga. You're in for a surprise, faggot.

>>17178088
I was showing him respect though. I dontthink you get it

>>17178081
This guy gets it

>>17178092
I meant you guys as in the people who keep making iskcon threads to troll them

And if your not making them, your not bringing anything good to the thread. At least talk about God, quote some scruptures, be a real nigga

>>17178098
This man gets it more, i hope you die soon faggot.

>>17178098
No thanks, just by that post I can see your not really trained in anything besides being behind a computer screen

>>17178100
No I get it

>>17178097
>You give mercy you recieve mercy
Fairly certain you didn't get that from Prabhupada. He's a cynic with a verging on fascism attitude towards other forms of Yoga and his translation of the Gita is dubious in many places. People on here have been pointing that out by using quotes of it. So yeah, don't come giving me this love and peace vibe now. P was a fundamentalist of a sectarian stream of Krishna bhakti.

>>17178106
Ok. Ill just tell you how ot was paying respects.

To me, god is everything. Mahadev has created everything and he is everything. Saying something is not sacred or less sacred than something else for me is like saying god is good and then saying hes bad for no reason.
I name this Bhairav, you name the god Krsna. It makes no difference inthe end as both of them are Mahadev, God

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>>17178118
Just taking his teachings and applying them practically to my situation in this life. Prabhupada's the man

>>17178120
Which is what you did when you first started typing ITT

>>17178115
>I can see your not really trained in anything besides being behind a computer screen

And you even seem to fail at that. I'm not the Aghori guy and you don't know anything about me nor of my knowledge of the Vedas which might even be bigger than yours.
The fact that you don't know what Aghori is says a lot as well.

>>17178131
More knowledge or less knowledge, it doesn't mean anything when you throw it in someone's face

>>17178129
>and applying them practically to my situation in this life.
>my situation

>what is good for me must be good for others

This alone shows you haven't even understood some basic concepts of Vedic knowledge.

>>17178129
What is what i did??
Also to get this post more fit to your liking, Heil Prabuphada mein fuhrer! Lets all lick Krsnas fat dick!

>>17178135
I don't think I threw my knowledge at you.
And also- way to avoid the point again. Good job.

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BG10.8,12,13,23

> I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts."
>Arjuna said: "You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me."

>Of all the Rudras I am Lord Śiva; of the Yakṣas and Rākṣasas I am the lord of wealth [Kuvera]; of the Vasus I am fire [Agni], and of the mountains I am Meru.

>>17178142
Holy shit. I think in real life I couldn't bear even the physical presence of you, due to my conceptions of what is pure, but here I really enjoy having you around.
Strange perks of the internet.

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>>17178139
>>17178142
>>17178145

>>17178076
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I can't greentext

>>17178156
>implying I was making fun of you. I was making several points here >>17178139 and here >>17178145
You just chose to ignore them and continue to do so. Stay ignorant, but then don't act so high and mighty, fag

>>17178159
You sound desperate, to be honest

>>17178166
I really don't know what your trying to say

>>17178172
you forgot to add Shivite as name

>>17178173
Then try rereading my posts. It's not my problem if you're incapable of reading.

>>17178180
I still don't know what your trying to say

>>17178176
Sorry friend, I'm not the Aghori guy

>>17177912
STREETS

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Hypocrisy, arrogance, vanity, anger, cruelty, and ignorance
are the traits of a person with demonic nature.

Here, ‘ignorance’ refers to
lack of perseverance in the path of knowledge.

>>17178184
My point is a) you don't know what Aghori is
and b) you have not understood the concept of gunas.

>>17178156
Nah im more of a faggot. Choose a more autistic picture.

>>17178152
Im actually not as disgusting as you think irl. Im not a sanyassin at the moment and thus live as a normal human, with a small apartment and job as a trashman.
>>17178159
>
-> he doesnt get postmodern greentext
>

>>17178166
>don't act so high and mighty, fag
Still better than cock/dick jokes, kiddo

>>17178189
>filename

What are you trying to imply here by naming this image Siva?

>>17178191
The Yoga of ignorance

>>17178193
Cool.
>inb4 jokes about your job

>>17178193
>>17178159 (You)
You don't have to reply more than once.

>>17178196
I got it off of Google

>>17178195
>I don't know what Aghori is
Stay ignorant.

>>17178210
It is ignorance

>>17178199
Now where getting somewhere. Now all you have to do is contemplate why this could be a path maybe

>>17178207
I hope you're trying to be funny.

>>17178201
Tbh please tell me why do you keep replying to me? Like, its like you want to be angered.

>>17178207
kek. You know who that is in the image though, right?

>>17178217

Sukadeva Gosvami said: Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali

>>17178212
No. It is a conscious practice. You could even say it is the most difficult of paths out there, even though it looks like complete freedom of restriction.
Like injana Yoga or bhakti may look difficult at first glance but then it's actually simple because it partially frees you from taking responsibility for lots of aspects of your self and your life.

>>17178221
Vishnu

>>17178229
Meh

>>17178240
>Vishnu
Do you even know the name of His incrarnation here? Chances are you don't

>>17178245
A 21st century trans-species furry?

>>17178240
>Meh
This is giving a hint about how intelligent you actually are, I think. Do you consider yourself a scholar?

>>17178245
>in the fourteenth incarnation the Lord appeared as Nrsimha and bifurcated the strong body of the atheist Hiranyakasipu with His nails, just as a carpenter pierces cane. SB (1.3.18)

Pretty sure the athiest guy was trying to be immortal or something

>>17178257
Cause of the boons the other dude had

>>17178254
Intellajens?

>>17178257
Not the same anon.

Whuch translation is this?


Hiranyakashyap was not an atheist, he knew that supreme god exist but wanted to be superior than vishnu.

>>17178257
>the athiest guy
He was actually a very just ruler, look it up. Not that you would care. And here's why you wouldn't. Because you are projecting your dualistic matrix of good and evil onto the rainbow that is Vedic knowledge of transcendence. You wouldn't understand if you tried why 'ignorance'/tamas isn't the evil of Christianity. You also wouldn't understand most likely why Vishnu and Siva shouldn't be differentiated from each other.
My guess is that you have been reading into some Vaishnavite texts and that's it.

>>17178275
>Which translation is this?

That is ISKCON in all its 'beauty'.

>>17178275
>as the fourteenth incarnation, assuming the form of Nrsimha (the Man-Lion), the Lord tore open the chest region of the powerful Hiranyakashipu with his nails just as a mat-maker would tear the reeds.

Different translations, I think atheists in context means opposed to God.

Like how dharma and adharma, video and avidya, theism and atheism (directly opposed atheism)

>>17178280
No, but I am just smoking weed having a good time reading about Jesus and Krishna, handing out some good info for people who really don't care to listen.

>>17178283
See
->>17178285

>>17178285
Vidya*

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>>17178285
>>17178257
Also, there isn't much of a difference in these translations

>>17178257
>>17178285
>Different translations
This is exactly the point and the problem with ISKCON and Prabhupad. They are infusing their ideology into the text in very small but significant moments to change and obscure the meaning.
This is programmatic with all ISKCON and Prabhupad books and people have to be told and made aware of this. They are tainting scripture with their own agenda, and not just in aggressive purport.

>>17178310
There is no major difference in the translations though

>>17178294
>handing out some good info for people who really don't care to listen.
handing out some half informed knowledge and personal speculation for people who really don't care to listen.
FTFY

>>17178310
>promoting their own agenda

Like dude, they don't translate the sanskrit to say "join us and our organization" that is what the purports are for, which aren't scripture you don't have to read them

>>17178302
Here we go again.
>there isn't much of a difference in these translations
Maybe if you're a stoner

Also Chaitanya and hos concept of singing Hare Hare is not mentioned in the Gita.

>>17178317
Having a good time doing it, they recieve half informed knowledge because the other half is for them to go off of

>>17178333
Of course it isn't mentioned in the Gita, that is part of the practice.

These two translations
->>17178285
->>17178257
Don't different that much and there isn't some ulterior motive.

The Mahamantra is part of the practice of Yoga, just because it isn't written down in the Gita doesn't mean you don't practice it. There is all kinds of different practices, but the Gita is essentially the summary of all of them.

>>17178315
Refering to 'bhakti' as 'devotional service' ('please read our ISKCON purport to see how this works) and not simply 'devotion'.
Having a radical commentary shoved in your face after literally every single verse.
Referring to yoga as 'mysticism' where it is described as difficult and as 'bhakti yoga' where the text says 'yoga' and is referring to the benefits of the practice.
Referring to Siva Mahadev as 'demigod'.

Yeah, doesn't matter, let's smoke some weed bro

Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated. BG 9 12

>>17178324
They are bending the text and it's meaning in the translation of the scripture already.

>>17178352
It isn't like I shouldn't do Bhakti just because someone online is mad about translations and their opinion on them.

I am happy to believe in Krsna as the Supreme and Siva as a mere demigod.

>>17178147
>>17178147
>>17178147

>>17178358
No, it depends if you read the purports or not, I never read them when I read the Bhagavad Gita, and I read a different translations and got the same message.

>>17178344
On the surface they don't seem to differ. But the thing is it adds up. And there is an ideology to it that is not from the Gita.

>>17178371
They really don't differ, and if they do then you shouldn't really miss the same message in the Bhagavad Gita which is the same in both books.

If you look into ISKCON conspiracy, go for it, but I wouldn't deny the wisdom in Prabhupada for that only strengthened my faith in God and I never joined their organization

>>17178360
>quoting mistranslations of holy scripture

I believe you have smoked out half your brains already. Unfortunately ignorant speculators like you speak very loud. You are actually hurting the cause you want to support, not that you'd be able to see this.

>>17178379
Show me your translation.

>>17178379
Come on. Show me. You complain about mistranslations and guess who hasn't quoted anything so far?

Seriously you guys are making these threads to give ISKCON a bad name? For no good reason? Your not even out to share information or wisdom to support anyone's enlightenment

>>17178379
Come on. Show me your "really good translations"

You sound like me telling some one not to read the KJV of the Bible and that's really it, preference

>>17178375
>which is the same in both books.
It is essentially not. ISKCON bhakti is telling you that all you have to do is just think of Krishna 24/7 and then you'll be fine.
The Gita tells you to become and be a yogi before anything else. (Chapter 6) Bhakti is described as the crown of yoga. It is not mentioned that you can just skip all thats necessary and just ascend to Krishna. At least that is only an interpretation of it. And a radical and dubious one if you read the book carefully.

>>17174054
>>17174054
>>17174054
OP didn't even put out the actual links

>>17178402
I read two different Gita's and you get the same message either way.

Come on show me your translations with quotes.

Let's compare and contrast right now

>>17178386
>>17178392
I have shown the mistranslation of various verses by Prabhupad by quoting his own work.
>>17178398
You have to translate it yourself from sanskrit using dictionaries and different translations to compare it to. Unfortunatelly.
It's work, so I doubt you'd be up for it honestly

>>17178415
You haven't quoted anything.

Show me direct passages as where the mistranslations are right now

>>17178352
Just smoked, desu id do heroin if prabhupada told me to. Id kill myself if he told me to.
Can i join the iscon clubnow? You guys seem to have bdsm parties, or kirtan how you cal it, the seem pretty dank.

>>17178415
If you have the sanskrit to english, come on, let's put the mistranslations into context

>>17178408
I don't carry three books with me at the moment, but given that you have nothing else to do but hang around here and smoke weed, we'll run into each other again and I'll repeat the points I made in other threads -which you seem to happen to forget, because you were in them. But again, probably can't blame a stoner.

>>17178417
Show some quotes, all your doing is giving the same circular argument.

>iskcon is mistranslating everything wahhhh

And you see they are minor differences with the same message

>>17178423
Because you just want to troll the threads.

"Muhh left my homework at mu house teacher I pro mese I don it"

>>17178417
read here >>17178423

>>17178429
The quality of your argument speaks for itself by now, pothead. Are you sure you're not actually into Aghori? You kind of sound like it. 420 Blaze it!

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http://www.vedabase.com/en

Sri Isopanishad is really good

>>17178423
>doesnt smoke weed
>looks downupon stoners
>2015
Pleb taste

>>17178438
At least for a stoner I can show my work and I didn't leave it somewhere else

I just want to see the "quotes" and mistranslations so you can see the same message is presented to you

>>17178455
Exactly. By not showing your quotes you have no basis against the Gita. And you blame us for having biased/unbased atguments.

>>17178435
>>17178455
In 12.6-7 he mistranslates 'yoga' into 'bhakti yoga', which is not in the sanskrit nor in the direct context of the verse. He differs from all other translations here.
In 12.9 he again puts bhakti yoga into the translation where it isn't in the text nor in the context. He differs from all other translations here.
In 12.20 he mistranslates 'dharma'
To name a few.
Also and -no, that's not a small issue- he uses his purport to aggressively direct you away from any practice of yoga that isn't ISKCON Bhakti on the whole of chapter 6

>>17178464
I'm the only one quoting BG and SB in the thread.

Everyone is assuming the mistranslations and won't show any

It's like KJV of Bible and and OE Bible, pick one and read it either way

>>17178473
I know, i was agreeing with you.

>>17178464
read here. >>17178415
I was in other threads with this individual before and he decides to not recall it.
You can clearly see P strive from the meaning of the text in his own translation if you read carefully.

>>17178448
Get your shit together Aghori, it's 2016

>>17178472
For one who worships Me, giving up all his activities unto Me and being devoted to Me without deviation, engaged in devotional service and always meditating upon Me, who has fixed his mind upon Me, O son of Pṛthā, for him I am the swift deliverer from the ocean of birth and death.
My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me.
He who follows this imperishable path of devotional service and who completely engages himself with faith, making Me the supreme goal, is very, very dear to Me.

>>17178473
>>17178472
Also I have said numerous times that the use of 'devotional service', a trademark iskcon expression is missleading as is the constant of calling Siva a demigod, which is simply arrogant.

>>17178479
No you come in here and never quote anything.

->>17178486

Those are the translations, so now show me your translations. We can loom at the words, how they might be different, but how the message is the same.

>>17178482
See nigga maybe youre right about that weed, smoked so much i forgot a year passed.

>>17178486
>then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga
qoute the sanskrit, please

>>17178479
Also, shiva shits on Krsna. Suck mahadevas big fat dick

>>17178491
Read here. >>17178472
Or are you a little child?

>>17178488
Devotion/devotional service, it means the same.

If I translated the Bhagavad Gita for someone who couldn't read the dialect/knew little about krsna/little about yoga, I would change the words so it would suit the person learning krsnasome message.which doesn't change.

Again >>17178147
Show me your translation

>>17178500
kek

>>17178501
Show me your translation.

I want to look at the words, how they differ at face value, but are the same message either way.

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Here is a central theme in the Bhagavad Gita

>He who follows this imperishable path of devotional service and who completely engages himself with faith, making Me the supreme goal, is very, very dear to Me.

People actually like ISKCON is scamming you into being devoted to God, when really that is what Krsna wants anyways

>>17178506
>Devotion/devotional service, it means the same.
That's what you picked up from my post?
Kek, I get it- the rest would mean actual effort.
>>17178509
I give up, if you're too dumb to comprehend my post, you'll stay dumb anyway.
Go keep confusing Christianity/Good-Evil with Vedic teachings.

>>17178514
Act*

>>17178500
Stop samefagging shivite... Ill use a trip from now on.

>>17178514
>qoutes iskcon to make an iskcon point - it miraculously adds up
bravo, flawless logic, you drone.

>>17178515
Lol, "ok"

I just want to compare the Prabhupada translation to your translation and show you how they both lead to Krsna.

If anything the Bhagavad Gita your reading is the wrong one

>>17178520
about time faggot. This is the only way you learn.

>>17178523
Show me the translation that you have.

Let's compare and contrast them.

I bet it says something very similar

>>17178344
>>17178344
>>17178344
Like this post

>>17178526
I'm reading the sanskrit verses and cross read it with three different translations.

Now what?

->>17178285
->>17178257
Sure these have different translations but the concept of the characters in this passage are very similar

>>17178529
Also, fuck krishna, shiva is superior.

HARE HARE MAHADEV!

>>17178532
Idk post something

>>17178534
LOOOL

>>17178533
There's a difference between them, and a more sensitive person than you are is able to see it.

>>17178545
Your essentially reading the same thing.

>>17178534
I'd offer you some flowers by now, but I assume you'd prefer whiskey

>>17178545
>>17178533
Ok in all honesty, whats the point of arguing beliefs or transelation? In the end its just different version. Only a person can choose which one is ture to them, there isnt "one universally true BG or SP.
Iscon isnt worse than any other religion in this case.

The real form of this tree cannot be perceived in this world. No one can understand where it ends, where it begins, or where its foundation is. But with determination one must cut down this tree with the weapon of detachment. So doing, one must seek that place from which, having once gone, one never returns, and there surrender to that Supreme Personality of Godhead from whom everything has begun and in whom everything is abiding since time immemorial.

>>17178549
Just one clearly has the poison of human agenda mixed into it's sweet milk. Simply look at the commentary if you are in doubt about it.

>>17178550
If the flowers got big lieaves i could write some Bhagavat gita on them to use as toilet paper.

The endeavoring transcendentalist, who is situated in self-realization, can see all this clearly. But those who are not situated in self-realization cannot see what is taking place, though they may try to.

I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.

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Because I am transcendental, beyond both the fallible and the infallible, and because I am the greatest, I am celebrated both in the world and in the Vedas as that Supreme Person.

>>17178559
I could argue you're picking cherries here. Not saying I do.

>whoever knows Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without doubting, is to be understood as the knower of everything, and he therefore engages himself in full devotional service, O son of Bharata

>>17178566
>>17178563
>>17178561
>>17178559
>>17178554
Some quotes from the Bhagavad Gita. If you guys are concerned with translations go look into it, but the message is the same.

>>17178563
that image is just dumb in this context. It's like a kill-all argument for even the most civil of discussion of believe or scripture.
So kindly don't post it again.

>>17178571
>still better than Krsna

The Absolute Truth is the objective of devotional sacrifice, and it is indicated by the word sat. These works of sacrifice, of penance and of charity, true to the absolute nature, are performed to please the Supreme Person, O son of Pṛthā.

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One who works in devotion, who is a pure soul, and who controls his mind and senses, is dear to everyone, and everyone is dear to him. Though always working, such a man is never entangled.

>>17178579
>controls his mind and senses
Hahahahahahahahaha! You mean that i have to not impulsively take heroin? What are you, an alcohol?

ITT underage get back to tumblr

>>17178579
>that image

Now you're just being completely ignorant, pothead. Maybe you should leave argument to grown ups if you're incapable of reading and comprehending other people's words.

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>>17178611
U fuckin wot m8

>>17178611
I am capable of reading your translation too. I just want to compare what yours says to Prabhupada's and show you that they mean the same thing

>>17178624
I've already pointed out that they don't and why. Reread the thread.

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>>17178632
Concrete evidence, show me the exact quotes so we can compare them side by side

>>17178646

Here >>17178472 you illiterate faggot

>>17178668
Here
->>17178486
There's the Iskcon one can I see your exact quotes?

>>17178695
>My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me.

Alright then:
atha cittaṁ samādhātuṁ
na śaknoṣi mayi sthiram
abhyāsa-yogena tato
mām icchāptuṁ dhanañ-jaya

>abhyāsa-yogena
Prabhupada: abhyāsa-yogena — by the practice of devotional service
Actual translation: from abhyasan — practicing
abhyāsa-yogena — by the practice of yoga
The assumption and additon of bhakti or ISKCON trademark 'devotional service' here is not explicitly given in the context of the verses before or after. The verse tells Arjun to practice yoga to fix his mind on Krishna. He is not telling him to practice another way of yoga (ISKCON bhakti) - the part in the speech of Krishna is about the AIM of yogic practice and not as Prabhupada puts it the concept of HOW to practice.
You can either focus on the immaterial brahman WHEN YOU MEDITATE (12,5) or since this is hard, you can also focus your YOGIC practice on Krishna as a person, since this might come easier to you.
Nowhere does he recommend to not practice the yoga of chapter 6 here, as ISKCON wants you to believe by their deceptive translation of the verses and the purport in this chapter.

Fuck you for making me type that out for you.

>>17178738
You dont realize that prabhupada knew that westerners arent smart enough for full yoga yet?
Prabhupada probably asumed that bhakti yoga will be the most appropriate way to start off the westerners on spirituality.

Yes he fucks up his transelations, but he sucks dick. Krsnites are man whores.

HARE HARE MAHADEV

>>17178753
>Prabhupada probably asumed that bhakti yoga will be the most appropriate way to start off the westerners on spirituality.
He assumed this because he was a radical Vaishnavite. So he tried to sell his ideology which might suit for sattva guna people to anyone, regardless of their state of consciousness or in a very interesting interpretation of what sattva guna is at least.
Telling people 'anyone can do it, just give us your selfresponsibility and keep chanting hare hare krishna until you're brain is gone' is basically selling the goal as the path. Best case it is lying for a considerably 'good cause'. It's still a lie in my book. And he may have payed for it.

>>17178738
>>17178695

>My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulated principles of bhakti-yoga In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me.
Heck, what he even actually says is, if you can't concentrate on me, use the techniques of yoga to focus on me.
>My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the principles of yoga. In this way you will develop a desire to attain to Me.

And befor eyou go 'Hurr durr ISKCON's bhakti yoga and Mahamantra is yoga as well' - It is not the yoga and the yogic techniques that are being described and recommended in the Gita.
Chapter 6 describes it.

tapasvibhyo ’dhiko yogī
jñānibhyo ’pi mato ’dhikaḥ
karmibhyaś cādhiko yogī
tasmād yogī bhavārjuna

>A yogī is greater than the ascetic, greater than the empiricist and greater than the fruitive worker. Therefore, O Arjuna, in all circumstances, be a yogī. (6,46)

Also read the other verses of Chapter 6 if you don't believe me.

>>17178695
Why so silent all of a sudden? Waiting for someone to do the work for you as usual when it comes to this part of the discussion?

>>17178823
>inb4 the ISKCON translation means the same thing or "it doesn't matter"

>>17178777
You know nothing about the philosophy of Lord Chaitanya and Gaudiya-Vaishnavism in general. Bhakti Yoga is the highest path, and the prescribed method for spiritual perfection in this age is the mahamantra.

>>17178823
Was playing mortal kombat.

That's pretty much the same. I get the same message from both

>>17178830
>You know nothing about the philosophy of Lord Chaitanya and Gaudiya-Vaishnavism in general
Yet I'm the one who is able to quote the scripture in it's original language.
Also I know for once that Chaitanya is post Gita philosophy and a sectarian interpretation of its teachings.
Go smoke some more weed and play videogames before you think you can lecture me

>>17178738
All I see is similarities.

Bhakti is pretty much implied throughout the Gita.

>>17178848
That's a different anon ur talking to lol. I'm the stoner vidya game degenerate

>>17178830
>the prescribed method for spiritual perfection in this age is the mahamantra
Source, you faggot
I'd love to see you try quoting the Gita for that one.

>>17178859
That explains a lot. I was almost surprised you'd be making a coherent comeback based on actual knowledge by yourself.

>>17178850
The question however is what bhakti and how it looks like.
And by what you say, it's clearly you follow ISKCON with their aloof interpretation of that subject. Keep telling you didn't regard the comments all you want, we know you are a buyer into Prabhupad's system

>>17178860
If you know the Mahamantra works then you shouldn't discredit it.

It isn't "just chant" there is way more to it, but it'll help one understand their spiritual growth through japa.

>>17178872
Again, there really isn't a big difference. Prabhupada's is for a different audience just like KJV Bible.

Actually, it doesn't matter which Gita you read, as long as you understand what you're reading

>>17178860
http://www.krishna.com/some-scriptural-references-hare-krishna-maha-mantra

>>17178893
>If you know the Mahamantra works then you shouldn't discredit it.
Show me where it's mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita.

>>17178901
Not in the Gita, but Srimad-Bhagavatam and numerous puranas and upanisads.

>>17178892
>buyer into Prabhupada's system

His books helped me gain a better understanding of God when I first found some a while back. I love the dude, he has simple wisdom in some of his other books.

His teachings still praise Krsna, and this is all that is important.

And Krsna as the Supreme Person, and all Yoga is doino is ceasing the fluctuations of the mind so it can have a betthere understanding of God, in Spirit, which is the important message for the people of today who lack in spirit

>>17178896
>http://www.krishna.com/some-scriptural-references-hare-krishna-maha-mantra
Doesn't mention the Bhagavad Gita once as a source. What a surprise.

>>17178901
Yeah chill out man, I don't see chant "om" in the Bhagavad Gita that doesn't mean don't do it.

I also don't see in the Bhagavad Gita that I shouldn't use toilet paper? Doesn't mean I don't

>>17178777
You didnt read the end of that post did you?

>>17178901
The Mahamantra has been used by so many Yogis and such that it's basically a core part of Hinduism now.

>>17178913
>I don't see chant "om" in the Bhagavad Gita that doesn't mean don't do it.
You don't even know the Gita

oṁ ity ekākṣaraṁ brahma
vyāharan mām anusmaran
yaḥ prayāti tyajan dehaṁ
sa yāti paramāṁ gatim
>After being situated in this yoga practice and vibrating the sacred syllable oṁ, the supreme combination of letters[...]
oṁ tat sad iti nirdeśo
brahmaṇas tri-vidhaḥ smṛtaḥ
brāhmaṇās tena vedāś ca
yajñāś ca vihitāḥ purā

tasmād oṁ ity udāhṛtya
yajña-dāna-tapaḥ-kriyāḥ
pravartante vidhānoktāḥ
satataṁ brahma-vādinām
>Therefore, transcendentalists undertaking performances of sacrifice, charity and penance in accordance with scriptural regulations begin always with oṁ, to attain the Supreme.

Is there anything you do know at all about the book? I think it's time you stop posting.

>>17178946
Obvious mistranslations

>>17178934
Still not a practice mentioned in the Gita.

>>17178955
It's Prabhupada, but don't worry - I checked these.

>>17178955
That's a central part. It is in every translation.

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>>17178961
U got me on the "om" part I meant to use that as an example, like the Bhagavad Gita doesn't say do laundry, but I should do laundry. I haven't read mine in a while because I left it at someone's house.

Like this anon >>17178423

>>17178965
No I red it the guy ur reading is a scam artists I would kno

>>17178961
>It's still not mentioned in the Gita
Never said it was but it is a part of the religion. Everything isn't in the Gita. "For the statement " There is a text for this does not justify a practice. People should realize that the context of the texts (the Vedas) apply in general, but each actual practice is for one particular region." -Vatsyayana

>>17178982
>like the Bhagavad Gita doesn't say do laundry, but I should do laundry.
What if I told you it does?

>>17178992
All I am saying is Prabhupada's and the mysterious "other translations" are about the same Krsna to the same Arjuna.

I think people should look into ISKCON's work either way, as long as they know what it "did" and how it is infiltrated, like every religion, then no you should decide for yourself.

>>17179001
I keep hearing you say ISKCON is infiltrated. Could you tell a little more about this and what you mean by this? Genuinely asking

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>>17179019
Like all religious organizations become infiltrated. Priests molesting little kids, fake monks, and you guys think the teachings of the religious doctrine is the cause.
>If, however, you do not fight this religious war, then you will certainly incur sins for neglecting your duties and thus lose your reputation as a fighter.

>>17179051
Right. This may be a consequence of obsession of perfection in ritualism while ignoring the supremacy of "living wisdom" or considering it too lofty a goal to be obtained (and therefore not even trying to endeavor for it).

Beautiful picture.

>>17179094
So if we read the Gita, we shouldn't be against eachother.

A fair compromise would be to say you can read ISKCON but you should also look into it and verify whether or not they are good or not.

But Prabhupada's message in his books are so simple and relevant to today's day and age, and it is all about loving God, peace and the imperfection of the world and it's leaders.

This is why the took Iskcon down

>>17179101
And it's the same reason they killed Jesus.

>who is this simple man telling the people about God
>we should kill Him because of the threat He presents

Likewise, ISKCON (at its heart, its teachings) is a threat to said power structures.

And the people in charge are there because of the use of "religious masks" and deceive mankind this way.

The world is going to die, all of our material bodies are going to pass away. No object we crave is permanent.

The soul, and it's source, The Supersoul, God, Krsna, it is so easy if you believe in religion, because everyone forgets the soul for the sake of the vane implications rather than focus in the soul, which is what religion is supposed to be

>>17179101
Yes! Devotion to shAstra over the sects (not just ISKCON) that interpret shAstra is the surest means to quelling disputes.

Also, I have no problem with Prabhupada, and in fact think he's done a great thing by producing translations of works that had (at the time) been only available to those with a rigorous understanding of Sanskrit. I think his general discourses and commentaries were aimed at being more practical and getting people prepared to become vessels for transcendental devotion and wisdom. But most people don't go past the preparatory phases and think that the rituals and stuff are the be-all and end-all.

If your message is all about loving God, you can never be wrong, until your message stops being about that <3

This need revival. Wheres all the jolly krsnites?

>>17179539
Lurking

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare.

>>17179590
thank you

>>17179590
Deva raja sevya mana pavangri pankajam,
Vyala yagna suthra mindu shekaram krupakaram,
Naradadhi yogi vrundha vandhitham digambaram,
Kasika puradhi nadha Kalabhairavam bhaje

>>17179124
>Yes! Devotion to shAstra over the sects (not just ISKCON) that interpret shAstra is the surest means to quelling disputes.

The Gaudiya-Vaishnava Way is through three checks: guru, sashtra, sadhu. Truth is checked through your spiritual master, through your readings of the revealed scriptures, and through the community of saints and devotees. Like the checks and balances of the US govt., this system helps restrain the impulses of personal mental speculation to erroneously interpret scripture, it helps quell the urge in spiritual masters to develop cultish ways, and it helps keep the general direction of the community focused on the spiritual.