REALLY ACTIVATES MY BFG

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

QUMP
-We're still waiting
-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

OP
-2016 torrent of idgames archive is gone
-Looking into replacing or removing outdated resources in the OP, need feedback
-Looking for more unique images to start each thread with

=== NEWS ===

[8-4] Source port for Chasm: The Rift
https://github.com/Panzerschrek/Chasm-Reverse/releases

[8-1] Map Jam 9 released (Quake)
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61494
-Anon notes a particular crash issue
-https://warosu.org/vr/thread/4162441#p4162683

[8-1] /newstuff Chronicles #532
https://www.doomworld.com/news/the-newstuff-chronicles-532-r5277/

[7-29] Press F as OBLIGE's 7.666 release will likely be the final version
http://oblige.sourceforge.net/

[7-28] Intermission E2M7, featuring Cage, Wartorn, and Pillowblaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13IDbeckDUM

[7-27] Lilith.pk3, the latest hot mod
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=57364

[7-26] Project Xenome: Interloper, a map set for Unreal
http://www.unrealsp.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4195

[7-21] Anon map release: LEISURE.WAD
https://mega.nz/#!UyhnEYxA!BvZc-FDnp2Z6DqiyB3xD1_AJ04NWw9sPDFKE3NVUkXY

[7-21] 12.5 Quadrillion Shades Of Doom (monster randomizer)
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=57310

[7-21] Anon map release: "an arena where you can practise fighting two archviles"
https://my.mixtape.moe/xlahtx.wad

[7-21] High Noon Drifter released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=57098

[7-20] New Insanity's Requiem release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37130&start=480#p1010044

[7-20] BloodGDX 0.771 released, fixes ROR
http://m210.duke4.net/

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=== PROTIP ===

Would you like to submit any news, personal releases, or other contributions? Just reply/backlink to this post with a link.

Been playing PSX Doom. It's interesting. The 'music' is a little too ambient for my tastes but it still fits Doom pretty well. It's not as different as I thought it would be, though some of the changes are bizarre. It's still Doom, feels good man.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-8Fvng9ro

Looks like Term has been working more on that experimental quick draw feature for High Noon Drifter

>>4167649
>Looks like Term has been working more on that experimental quick draw feature for High Noon Drifter
why can't he post about it himself, why does he need minions to do it for him?

>>4167649
Looks neat, but what would it replace? Nearly every item is already in.

>>4167651
People other than the author are allowed to post videos they like, dude.

>>4167651
I just thought it looked cool

>>4167649


Neat

>>4167642
Atmospheric Doom is still good Doom.
Would be cool to have more PSX/64/atmospheric mapsets out there.

>>4167667
Can't wait for PSX-fied version of DTWID+D2TWID

>>4167667
They did such cool shit with the lighting, it would be definitely be sweet to have more mapsets like that. Welp, now I want to make spoopy maps.

>>4167642
there seems to be a sizeable number of doom players whose first experience of the game was via the psx version, leading to their considering it the definitive edition.

>>4167682
>tfw first doom was on a rented saturn.
TNT and Plutonia on Windoom became my definitive though. First does not always make definitive.

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For the big cowboy revolver, what'd feel more fitting, standard hammer and grip frame, Bisley hammer and grip frame, or standard grip-frame but with a Bisley hammer? Mostly it's a case of what feels most consistent with the sprite you look at when using it. The pickup sprites are just templates, they'll be sized down a bunch and painted over (more or less).

I'm rather partial to the classic grip, which fits my hand very well, but I feel the Bisley hammer might look closer to the hammer on the sprite (also the trigger seems like it'd be a bit nicer).

>>4166609
.357 Magnum isn't actually all that big of a Magnum cartridge.
The reason it's so popular is that it's a Magnum cartridge that most people can learn to handle, on top of being able to shoot .38 Special in the same gun (and 9mm Luger in some).

Not that .357 Magnum is *weak* or anything, but I wouldn't try to hunt bear with it (short of maybe black bear, but honestly who'd bother doing that short of rooting out known pests). It'd take a few shots to drop a Pinkie demon.
If I was going to go with a .357 caliber, I'd rather want .357 Maximum (an even longer and stronger case loaded hot as shit, giving you basically .44 Magnum muzzle velocity with a .357 caliber bullet), or .357AMP (basically the .44 AMP Automag cartridge necked down to .357 caliber, again to drive a .357 caliber bullet at really insane speeds), the latter somehow even more obscure than the former.

>>4166253
I honestly don't like .45 Long Colt that much, I feel it's dated.

At best, you can handload .45 Long Colt to levels similar to .44 Magnum, if you use modern cases and an appropriate load of smokeless powder. For the same size of gun and ammunition, .44 Magnum would save time and money, if I wanted to drive a .45 calibe projectile to insane speeds, there's way better options.

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>>4167724
For the love of god, keep making guns.

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>>4167743
Like 90% of the stuff I do is like *completely* winging it editing other people's graphics.

The base for that revolver comes from that DRLA thing I think.
In a way it also shows, because that was based on some sort of hand-ejector revolver (as in, the cylinder swings out the side), as the grip and how it sits in your hand is just different.

Gripping an actual single-action revolver in a similar way, you'd see that the cylinder sits a fair bit 'above' your hand from that perspective.

>>4167748
The important thing is it looks good, and as long as you have the frames for it, animates good.
Unless you're wanting /k/ approved authenticity with your weapons

>>4167750
Authenticity matters a fair bit to me, but I'm willing to take creative liberties for visual appeal.

Like how muzzle flashes are vastly exaggerated in vidya games, but they're nice looking and satisfying so that's why they're there. Or how guns actually sound unrealistically distinct, but it sounds nice so why not have it.

>>4167541
TNT is mad underrated tbqh.

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>realize hammers are upside down, or backwards, or inverted or something
>scream
Well at least that actually looks proper now.

I think the next thing I'll have to do is to completely rehand the guns, to make them sit higher in the hand, to get a grip with the gun sitting this low with a single-action, you'd have an unbelievably awkward and weird grip.

>>4167674
Really?
Is that gonna happen?
Will there also be a "the way Id (or Midway) did" version of D64?

>>4167797
Honestly that would be really cool to see someone do that. Like add a bunch of colored sectors, add a bunch of reverb, the sound effects and stuff. Maybe simplify a few of the levels and cut one or two which are less nice.

Especially if someone makes the Arch-Vile as if from the PSX version, Aubrey Hodges released the unfinished arch-vile sound work from before the monster was ultimately cut from the port.

>>4167690
The Japanese Sega Saturn version has less bugs and slightly better framerate, and has more levels than the rushed 32X version. Jaguar port runs smoother than the 32X and 3DO version despite the lack of certain enemies and the lack of music during gameplay.

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SON OF A BITCH MUST PAY

>>4167803
What's his sound?

>>4167807
Nevermind, already heard it

>>4167807
A bit underwhelming as it is, some generic grunts, as the soundsets were never finished, archie was scrapped before they had a lot of opportunity to test him with sound.

You can find it on Aubrey Hodges' website.
He even suggests people put work into it to make it sound better.

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Now I just gotta do the rest of the grip frame and grip.

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Haven't done much with this lately... I'm really not looking forward to all the Warp trigonometry stuff and states and inventory checks to make inhaling work.
Not to mention I need to implement ways to attack mid tier enemies when no ammo/weapon is around (Revenant and above health enemies are immune to spherical vacuums)

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>>4167885
>shotzo minigunners

>>4167885
You could do some crap charge up alt-fire air puff projectile attack thing that does some damage but not nearly enough to be more viable than anything else.

>>4167885
>ways to attack to mid tier enemies when no ammo is present
Add an air puff like this guy said >>4167906, and sliding.

So which of the Quake engines do you guys use and why?

Also I feel the SYWTPS image needs to be updated

>>4167906
>>4167908
That's what I was going to do, yeah. it's just the implementing part. I was assigning altfire to gulping and copy ability dropping, but I guess I can just use crouch and reload buttons for those.

>>4167924
>SYWTPS
Strife?

>>4167730
Nash's example was they were making a 2.5d platformer, and those don't have midair crouching. Still [No]'d anyway

>>4167934
The problem with that would be why you'd even want to play strife.

PROTIP: If you're getting menu/intermission lag and glitchy sound on GZDoom 3.0 and up, disable the fuck out of EFX in the OpenAL sound shit.

Graf doing quality work there.

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http://androidarts.com/kawaiik/kawaiik.htm
i'm not really sure what this is but it's neat

>>4167938
Strife is really neat and cool?

It's like HeMan without the gay overtones.

>>4167948
This guy does this all the time, he draws a bunch of concept art and makes waifus, and then makes longwinded ideasguy posts about stuff, it's weirdly fascinating.

>>4167950
Strife has the worst gameplay out of all the major doom-based commercial releases, a weak story, a dialogue tree so shallow it should event be there and voice acting so terrible you'd likely get better results by taking auditions on /s4s/

>>4167957
>voice acting so terrible you'd likely get better results by taking auditions on /s4s/
Stop right there, motherfucker, if there's anything you can't lambast Strife over, its it's voice acting.

What are .deh files and what do they do?

>>4167964
They are dehacked files, they dehacked things.

>>4167948
The one in the middle leftmost area reminds me of Shub Niggurath from Quake 1

>>4167973
Probably because it is.

>>4167963
on one hand, there's "GET BACK TO WORK, NOW"

on the other hand, there's practically every line from mourel

>>4167986
It's a shame he didn't have a bigger part in the game, his writing and voice acting was fucking great.

Anybody got resources for good modern looking muzzleflashes with transparency ?

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Is there a point to pinkies when lost souls exist?

Damn, it's so much easier to draw up a weapon from the first person perspective when you have an actual facsimile in your hand to go off on.

>>4168086
Pinkies don't infight, for one

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This really was easier than I thought.
I might have to make the grip visible at the bottom of the hand though.

I'll probably make the sprites without the hands available for other people to use if they want to use it too some day, put other hands on them.

>>4167924
Quakespasm.

>>4167964
Dehacked takes states and functions from doom and reshuffles them into something else. If a was comes with a deh file it's probably necessary.

>>4168185
Wad, that is. Why would auto correct change something that's already a word?

>>4168086
pinkies are much faster and more of an immediate threat compared to LS I'd say

>>4167964
>>4168185
>If a was comes with a deh file it's probably necessary.
well it depends on the wad -- as source ports can now load dehacked patches out of wads, the wad might have the patch in it already. in that case, the external one is only there as a convenience for vanilla/chocolate users.

and also dehacked patches might not be strictly *necessary* to make the wad play properly, they might do nothing but change a few texts, e.g. level names on the automap.

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>>4168156
There, that's pretty much the base frames done. Compare to the original ones.
The real headache would be the reloading, but I think I could make it not suck.

Muzzleflashes come later, but this thing is gonna breathe fire like a dragon.

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>>4168245
dammit

>>4167896
>>4167885
>shotzo minigunners

Jesus christ, save that evil for 0/2.

>>4168086
Yes. Lost souls are fucking retarded and can't even hit their targets, let alone careen off into the stratosphere

>>4168086
let me ask you the reverse question: why do you think they overlap?

>>4168260
>>4168245
original three look better

>>4168285
not the same guy, but they're both low level melee dudes, only threatening in swarms.

>>4168295
if you post stuff like this people will stop wanting to work with you

>>4168306
Good thing I work alone.

>>4168316
Cue theme song.

>>4168302
i'm not seeing it.

- one is relatively fast but stops moving when it attacks, the other is very slow but fast when it attacks

- one chases you relentlessly, always trying to close the distance between, the other floats aimlessly around, except when it charges straight towards you (but then doesn't change course if you move - effectively it turns into a missile/fireball until it hits something, then turns back into a monster)

- one is stuck to the ground and can't cross gaps, the other can float up through windows or over chasms

they seem completely different to me.

>>4168329
You forgot the "one is an idiot and will probably miss everything it targets, flying into a group of barons, and triggering a massive infight"

>>4168295
No thanks. That's not my fetish

>>4168341
i did mention its inability to change course. discussion of consequences thereof was i felt too much of a digression for an already long post.

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If only there was a working Doom WAD where nearly all the oirginal doom enemies are replaced with Xenomorphs and maybe also genetically engineered animal mutants with the last batch of levels taking place on LV-426 where you fight a new form of Xenomorph Queen for the final boss inside the old Derelict bone ship. It could start off after Aliens but shortly before Alien, or 15 years after Alien.
Maybe play as a rouge Space Marine whos full name is never revealed, or possibly base parts of it on the "stasis interrupted" DLC from Aliens: Colonial Marines(only without the need to get external patches for the many bugs and glitches).

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This is so massively gimped compared to the old charge shot.
Which is good because the old charge shot was busted as all hell.

>>4168417
It's best at making a lot of other developers get pissy.

>>4168417
Best is really subjective dude, that all comes down to personal tastes and preferences.
Like I personally think Samsara is still one of the best gameplay mods

>>4167973
The Shalrath, Fiend, and Shambler didn't tip you off it was related to Quake?

>>4168274
DESU that map is already pretty bullshit.

>it's brutal doom best doom mod
>it's brutal doom best
kill yourself sanchez

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that would be grezzo

>4168417
If it's the only mod you know of, maybe

>>4168415
Do you still need to rapidly mash the fire button for the Blazter?

>>4168446
The Blazter bullets, yes, I was thinking about making one of the gun part upgrades allow for some sort of autofire, but really the Blazter's primary fire is so weak and the ammo cap is so low that you really shouldn't be using it to gun monsters down, it works better to fire it once or twice to stun some monsters, then use a different weapon

>>4167623
Brutal DOOM but it has more enemy animations, 1 -2 added weapons, and its made with Unity.

>>4168086
berserker targets

>>4168221
Fair point. Will a deh lump be properly ignored in vanilla?

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>>4168491
If by vanilla you mean the original DOS binaries, then yes, you'd have to patch the binary using Dehacked and a .deh file manually to get the desired results.

>>4168491
Vanilla doesn't even know what dehacked is, it was a fan-made tool to hack the executable. Patches were applied in a much more permanent manner. Where you just need to run Doom without any PWADs to play the original maps, you'd have to first restore a backed up .exe to remove dehacked modifications from vanilla.

>>4168464
>brutal doom
Stopped reading.

>>4168394
Once again; this was a slight plot-point of my maps-to-be

Would really appreciate if someone could recommend some wads similar to going down. Lots of action , compact, impossible to get lost arena fights with fun gimmicks

>>4168512
hmm in order to modify zdoom standard ammo capacities without making new ammo (hint, which would not show up on the statusbar) you'd have to use DEH

Can you use DeHacked without a vanilla executable? And/or can DEH patches be made without such?

> Quake 2 game dlls

And again I repeat my request from last thread for any quake 2 game dlls that alter single player gameplay (without a mod attached to them, stuff that tweaks weapons and monsters)

>>4168549
>Can you use DeHacked without a vanilla executable? And/or can DEH patches be made without such?
the questions you are asking are hard to answer because they make no sense. you seem to have fundamentally misunderstood what dehacked is. perhaps read this for background and maybe then we would be speaking the same language. no offense intended.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DeHackEd

>>4168556
I do not have any vanilla game executables. So the dehacked program may not be usable.

I want to make a dehacked patch (.deh or .bex) for slade3/wad which will modify the maximum ammo capacities. I do not know the text format to write this and I have no examples to work from.

what do?

>>4168569
All right fair enough.

Here's a "modern" program for editing dehacked patches:

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/WhackEd
http://www.teamhellspawn.com/exl/whacked4/

I can't vouch for it having never used it but it seems widely used.

Or in a minute I'll post an example how to change the ammo capacities

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Something i'm playing with for that Doom engine Keen fangame thing i'm working on with Yholl (and prolly a couple other folks)

>>4168569
>>4168590 me
okay here is an example of how to change the max ammo capacity

https://pastebin.com/H3vDNKf6

>>4168601
thanks thats all I needed I think, I can take another .deh for the base and then add this instead

> mfw whacked is not a portable util and actually requires installation

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>>4168598
The BwB never used a Gravis Gamepad.

/autism

>>4168609
There's a tiny standalone folder download link right below the big download button.

>>4168598
well what if it was keen in later years, finding things to be somewhat duller than before?

ultimately though he has to make a deal with a (cyber)demon at some point.

how come he can jump like a motherfucker but his grandson can't?

>>4168601
>>4168609

Does this override the backpack extra ammo values listed in the zdoom file... like does the game just assume if the .deh is modifying ammo it goes to the assumed 2x?

I forget if dehacked had an option for backpack ammo values or if it was just hardcoded to double whatever the base inputs were.

Im not planning on keeping around the backpack per-se... but its worth asking (im making the backpack item wink out after dropping another item that just gives you a combo of ammo, you get more than usual, but ammo capacities will be fixed basically)

>>4168616
it probably would if we ever saw it in first-person/ detailed cockpit view though, all the hot games shilled for the thing back in those days.

granted, wouldn't be hard to change either way if it becomes neccessarry

>>4168628
>how come he can jump like a motherfucker but his grandson can't?
>Keen
>Grandson
what?

>>4168634
family line is supposedly:

Blazkowitz - ???? - Keen's Dad - Keen - ???? - Doomguy

>>4168543
Anyone?

Is going down the only one of its kind?

>>4168634
[ancient aliens professor]
(((clones)))

>>4168638
Doomguy being related is noncanon. The one canon link is Keen is BJ's grandson and was named after him, with Billy Blazes being an obvious pseudonym of William Blazcowicz.

>>4168638
Keen is BJ's grandson. There's quite a few more generations between Keen and Doomguy, seeing as the Keen games take place in current day while Doom is fairly distant future.

>>4168641
There's nothing contradicting the Doom 2 RPG, anon.

>>4168641
>noncanon

In the core canon, maybe.
In the extended canon, no, it is.

>>4168648
nothing contradicting it doesn't mean it's canon. It's alright to think that's the case since there's nothing contradicting it, but as for actual canon his identity is up in the air

>>4168629
the original game hardcodes the doubling, and dehacked doesn't let you change this. i have no idea how this interacts with the "zdoom file", sorry.

>>4168651
>extended canon
fucking ster wers nerds

>>4168654
I'm kinda disappointed that id Software skipped over the opportunity to put a descendant of McMire as a bad guy into Doom 3 or 4.

>>4168657
what does star wars have to do with this?
"extended canon" is an actual term

>>4168651
>>4168648
I'll never consider the phone games canon desu.

>>4168654
that said, i do personally think Doomguy is related to Keen and BJ just because it's neat + it seems like something ID would do. The Doom RPG name is still silly though and i don't like it - not cool enough.

>lore in id games
everything that moves is to be shot

>>4168670
You're confusing lore with law.

>>4168674
id games in practice have weak lore at best, dismissible in practice

>>4168654
>as for actual canon his identity is up in the air
i believe for actual canon his identity is you, the player. in romeros words "There was never a name for the DOOM marine because it's supposed to be YOU"

>>4168678
Keen and Wolf have pretty good universes built around them.

>>4168302

Funny thing, I've never thought Pinkies were a threat. Their pathfinding is so path that they just become erratically moving meat shields for the real enemies. Lost Souls can launch themselves directly towards you without any pathfinding weirdness, making them much more dangerous than Pinkies. I'd honestly like to see a sourceport that rewrote the pathfinding so the enemies won't just blindly run into walls all the time.

I like how Doom 2016's Pinkies felt sorta similar because they hit their heads against everything and fell over constantly.

>>4168692
You're joking, right?

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>>4168684
>>4168654
even back in the 90s doomguy was known as

Flynn
Taggart

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>>4168654
>nothing contradicting it doesn't mean it's canon
Technically, yes it does.

In fandom terms, there's three layers of canon.
"Core canon" is the immediate base stuff only made by the original creators and associates they've directly given their blessing. This is stuff you'd get in the base games.
"Extended canon" are things in the franchise related to the original that are not directly made by the original creators or associated with them but adds to the lore. This is the stuff you'd get in the animated tie-ins, like the origin of Violent Ken.
And "common fanon", stuff which is not canon but is commonly accepted among the fans and sometimes gets acknowledged by the devs themselves. This is the stuff like your rival in Pokémon Gold/Silver is related to Giovanni which did eventually become canon.

People tend to flux back and forth about how adherent to canon you are and what level of canon you go to, even in the Doom community. You'll have the people who refuse to consider anything more than the base original id games canon and everything else (even Doom 3/4) is irrelevant. And then you have the people trying to figure out how to work in Tony Hawk's Pro Skater in the Doom timeline.
It's really a part of fandom I've long been fascinated by.

>>4168662

McMire's alias is The Grand Intellect. Who knows, maybe Hayden or Pierce are his descendants? Both are geniuses of almost fantastical level.

>>4168695
Wolfenstein has.

>>4168696
I like calling him Fly, but most people didn't, the books weren't *that* popular.

>>4168695

New Wolf has a pretty well designed world with shit tons of lore.

>>4168704
>Wolfenstein has.
A subversion of an aryan archetype killing nazis that time and again prove either inept or have stolen technology from others?

>>4168706
Even RTCW had a lot of interesting things going for it.

>>4168694
one thing I did at least is, after a short while if the monsters arent seeing you they go into Wander states until they do - allowing them to randomly jumble themselves into other areas and get around fish traps designed to catch enemies against walls

>>4168712
im thinking of expanding this since I can check line of sight and distance, and then just give a random chance for the monster to go to their attack state - thereby bypassing A_Chase altogether

leaving only A_Chase for short distance engagements where they can see the player (likewise I could probably increase their speed temporarily too while chasing)

>>4168696
on the contrary, a good way to tell that a discussion participant's opinion is not worth your attention is that he insists doomguy's name is "flynn taggart".

>>4168757
That brings to mind, why has there never been a game in the vein of Wolfenstein, but where the enemies are Communists instead?

That'd be pretty cool.

>>4168512
Yeah. I just never tried running a wad with strange lumps in vanilla before. I assume it ignores these things, but figured I'd ask.

>>4168789
>strange lumps in your wads
You should probably see a doctor instead of playing Doom.

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>>4168819
>>4168789

Are there any maps similar to going down? Looking for more difficult wads.

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Hey can you guys guess what SHMUP series I really like?

https://my.mixtape.moe/kvbjyn.webm

>>4168639
have you played The Eye, the author's previous map?
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/eye

>>4168938
fuckin' got em

>>4168938
Would you rather I keep absolutely silent about my progress instead? Getting your tits in a bind because I'm not ready to release this yet isn't gonna make it come out any faster.

>>4168938
>>4168927
who pissed in your cheerios today

>>4168954
I'm gonna release it, and update combined_arms just to spite you.

>>4168927
Really? Becaues I just played through the 2016 cacowards and aside from AA, it's all "moody, atmospheric exploration maps" which are boring.

>>4168960
Sorry, can't do that, I still have one more upgrade, and some monster progress to show before I get into the last few touches along with playtesting.
Maybe you should try working on your stuff and have fun with it, maybe then you wouldn't be so upset over trivial things.

>>4168960
>>4168954
>>4168938
people will get angry about anything, even if they have to literally make up a reason to do so

>>4168943
not him but if you keep posting things that people see which caus them to get excited about because they want to play it, but they won't get to play it for a long time, it can get kind of frustrating.

especially when you post these things frequently, like every day or more, you keep your viewers and fans in a state of permament excitement/hype that cannot be sustained, and that can turn sour, as seen here in some of the replies you're getting.

does that make sense?

>>4168938
>>4168954
>>4168938
Stop menstruating all over the thread.

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>>4168980

>>4168976
it makes sense except for the whole "it can turn sour" aspect
if someone is interested in something, it makes 0 sense to get upset over the fact that he's visibly making progress on it

the only explanation is that he is intentionally looking for a reason to get upset and is latching onto something, no matter how flimsy, which is a frequent occurrence with our more prolific users

>>4168972
>five years
>cranked out two seperate upgrades and projectiles with sounds within a day's work tops

>>4168976
It does, but I also hate perpetual silence from devs. Mainly I'm posting this shit because it excites -me- as well, and helps me keep myself motivated. I haven't made this much progress on GMOTA since the early days.
But like I said before, once I get the big stuff done, I'm gonna go into a radio silence because it'll be nothing but playesting, font crap, and balance tweaks.

>>4168935
neat video

>>4168938
sick burn

unneeded autistic fistfight after that

Kegan, what if you make a public dev build, like Kinsie did with MetaDoom?
Just wondering and not the pissy anon.

>>4169001
i am assuming he plans on doing a pre-release down the line when it's actually stable

>>4169001
I would, but this isn't even in a "fully" playable state, not quite yet at least, ammo gems are missing, and the plasma gun replacement ain't in.

>>4169006
I actually didn't have any plans, but I'll see what I can do later on.

thanks for the replies.

>>4168986
>it makes sense except for the whole "it can turn sour" aspect

i think it can turn sour, though, i don't think it's just complaining for the sake of it, i think there is a thing called "hype fatigue" for want of a better term.

>>4168992
>It does, but I also hate perpetual silence from devs

fair enough, but perhaps the issue is you're going too far in the opposite direction. while i appreciate the progress videos i think they appear too often, which leads to the aforementioned hype fatigue.

as a suggestion, consider saving up all your progress videos for the weekend call for screenshots. what do you think?

>>4169013
>what do you think?
I guess one problem with this is he wants feedback faster than once a week

>>4169015
Well that and I don't know how the hell I could condense a week's worth of progress into a single post.

>>4168394
there is an aliens gameplay wad for zdoom that replaces all the demons with xenos

it's not that great tho imo

>>4169032
"you will never finish this" isn't even critical, it's just useless shitflinging. you deserved the warn, don't make it worse

>>4169032
Maybe if you didn't act like this you wouldn't be getting such measures taken against you.

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>>4169032

>>4169021
i think it's okay to make more than one post. it's is what i would do anyway. you make your progress videos over the week then post them all as a series of posts on one day. i often post a series of several videos one after the other. anything up to half a dozen is pretty normal. i think the most was once when i had to split a playtest video into ten or eleven pieces to post it, that felt like pushing it a bit.

>>4169035
>>4169036
>>4169037
Oh boy, deleted comments. What'd I miss?

Is it that guy who got his level rejected and seems to think that the whole community hates him?

>>4169046
Some retard babyraging at GMOTA anon.

>>4169032
i agree, only compliments and sucking must be allowed, like >>4168976 which isn't that at all and is the exact same criticism you were doing without the whinebaby temper

>>4169050
because he explicitly said it was put on probation, i.e. a warning

>>4169050
>against the site rules.
it isn't, where to you think that "monitoring this thread" meme come from

>>4169048
>displaying autism for a mod that' won't come out till new years

>>4169062
>because he explicitly said it was put on probation, i.e. a warning
yeah sorry, i realised afterwards and deleted the post.

>>4169050
..he quoted the rule you have to read before posting again when you get warned

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Whatever happened to

Space Pirate
Lydia(?)
Samsara
Hexen Souls
Doom Vercetti

>>4169084

Pretty much dead
not sure
got updated by kinsie once, which is fine because it should run on newer source ports
dead and I miss that guy
not sure, not sure if I wanna know.

>>4169084
Brutal Vercetti when?

>BULLY YOURSELF

>>4169046
They do hate me, though.

But no, not my post. It's funny tho.

>>4169084
dead
mia
supposedly kinsie's still working on it but hasn't really done anything
mia
dude's still making art but hasn't done anything with the mod itself

>>4169046
funnily enough he recently managed to make a couple of decently playable maps by switching to vanilla format.

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>we'll never have a Hotline Miami Doom

>>4169108
>implying a modding community as large as Doom's will never have one person with the coding ability and desire to make a mashup of two highly popular games

>>4169108
hotline miami wouldn't really work in first-person

>>4169108
someone was working on this but they died

>>4169108
There's been, like, three, dude.

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>>4169116
Then where is my Eversor Assassin Doom

>>4169120
This sounds like they died IRL which I'll take

>>4169104

Makes sense.
Probably the biggest and most repeated complaints I had with his maps were the rampant misuse of ZDoom features.

>>4169116
The doom community seems to be mostly fond of producing gameplay mods which are only interesting for doing idfa and checking all the guns or making levels. A combination of both levels and gameplay adjustments comes a few times a few times in several years.

>>4169132

The problem isn't that you were doing things "differently", you were doing them "badly", a word I'm sure you've taken a huge hatred to.
But I expect you'll simply ignore this and continue blaming other people.

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>>4169131
>which are only interesting for doing idfa and checking all the guns or making levels

>>4169108
isnt the man behind swan fox making one?

Don't enable or validate. We've been through this song and dance way too many times.

Sadly, this is also the rational route.

I want to learn how to make mods, did anything from the pastebin change since the new GZDoom with the whole ZScript thing or whatever?

>>4169108
EZ, just reskin everything in Demonsteele to be like Hotline miami related, and make everything take 1 or 2 hits to die, including the player.

>>4169141
Define "badly".
Because it really just seems like you just dodge the question every time and just repeat the same old scripted copypaste.

>>4169156
>deleted
I'll repost it then with some changes:
On the contrary, do enable and validate his huge guts

>>4169157

Nope, ZScript is still very much a new and fledgling beast.

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>>4169186
So do I need to get something specific that isn't mentioned there? If so what should I get exactly?

>>4169190

Slade can handle ZScript, you just need to make a ZScript lump like Decorate, and then from there, godspeed.

>>4169128
>>4169104
I am exceptionally unfond of these limitations as it does not allow factoring into better level design. My next map is therefore going to be immediately reverting.

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Boy, I love DOOM.

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>>4169203
>as it does not allow factoring into better level design

You do you, mate.

>>4169203
>as it does not allow factoring into better level design

have you tried not being a big baddie

>>4167623
So I've had an idea rattling around my brain for a while.
I was thinking of creating a full-blown 3D remake of Doom 1/2, that would upgrade the graphics to somewhere around 1998-2000 era (but in full HD et cetera), while keeping the gameplay exactly the same.

Basically the thing goes - actual game would run on a different engine, probably Doom 3 engine because it's open source.
Alone, it wouldn't be able to play anything because I don't want to get DMCABTFO by Bethesda, so it'd require a WAD to play. The game would basically work in 'layers'. The actual 'under the hood' game logic regarding gameplay would be exactly 1:1 original Doom source code, the only thing that would be different is audiovisuals.
So what would happen is that everytime you load a map, the game would load a completely new 3D model from it's files that would completely replace original look of the level with new environments, designed to look more coherent, more modern and perhaps even tell a bit of an enviromental story (because why not). That's the part I would provide - I definitely want to remake Doom 1 and 2 like that, perhaps Freedoom so game would be playable without piracy/buying.
Levels wouldn't have collision data etc - that'd be all taken from original files. That also means that geometry and collision and strictly gameplay of original would remain absolutely and completely exact.
None of that would affect gameplay, so it'd be technically a game with 3D graphics and 2.5D gameplay.

Entire point is creating a full-3D remake of Doom so people who might be turned off by originals' dated appearance would give it a shot - and probably get hooked on the amazing gameplay, basically a "Doom gateway drug", especially for newbs who played D44m.

Here's my question - would it be worth it? Do you guys think there'd be an audience for something like that? Would people play it?

>>4169178
>define "badly"
i haven't played your zdoom maps. but as i said before regarding your vanilla map, botanical.wad was visually and physically cluttered. the former leading to actually important stuff like keys being overlooked/missed, and the latter causing bumping into things while trying to fight monsters.

when you have all the facilities of gzdoom and udmf available to you, i expect you fell into the trap of trying to use them all at once, making the clutter-harming-gameplay effect all the worse.

>>4169190
i'd like to be able to point you to some documentation but there isn't any

>>4169210
coincidentally enough, this is exactly what happened

>>4169209
>would it be worth it?

My first reaction is "No", because the people who might be turned off by the originals' "dated" appearance are people who probably wouldn't have gotten in anyway.
Likewise, this project has been done before on Doom 3, with Doom 3 Classic, and it didn't really get off the ground in any conceivable manner.

>>4169210
There's a handful of them floating about, and whilst they're shit and I have achnoledged such from the start (except when I sperg the fuck out- but then again, a nut nutting-out is like water being wet. I guess people busted a nut?), the primary point was conceptualization and seeing if the horrible sketchy mannerism couldn't inspire others to making something better with the proposed components.

I did what I could generally do with those maps, however it did not feel "proper". Most of this was also abysmal attempts at actually making it play well.

The point therein being, my use of the effects made perfect sense to me. Floating rocks in a void? Line horizons to give the appearance of an endless expanse (Though that one visual effect for the walls would also be EXTREMELY useful), 3d floors to help better illustrate and put out the concept and depiction of the map? What I did, I did because I believed it to be the most proper and natural route of going about it, not necessarily the most "realistic" way of going about it, as I have a bit of a vehement revulsion to the term "realistic/realism". what with it usually being hand in hand with "brown and bloom"

>>4169119
It would if you could see enemies through walls, either through some sort of "detective vision" or if you could see noises enemies make when walking through walls as in a comicbook, like in old game XIII.
(if timestamp doesn't work, skip to 5:30 to see that mechanic)
https://youtu.be/uaDxUU4xI10?t=5m29s

>open slade
>haha time to make a comfy doom level
>remember BTSX and immidiately lose motivation
why do i even bother

>>4169236
Because you're trying to apply to given fomulae.

Don't even look at base doom. Do as you like what you like when you like, otherwise you'll get burned out for having so strictly applied to this.

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>there hasn't been a scarface doom with tony doomguy shooting demons with m16s all coked out while spewing out insults after killing them (with lines just waiting to be plucked from the scarface game and payday 2)

>>4169243
>the scarface game
God, what a fucking piece of shit.

I don't think I've ever seen a tie in adaption ever critically miss the point of it's base material so badly in my entire life.

>>4169248
it totally shat on the film's main message sure but aside from that it was an okay ps2 gta clone imo

>>4169256
It certainly was a GTA clone, that game wanted to be Vice City so bad.

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>>4169236

>>4168464
>Made in Unity
So SgtMark stopped even pretending that Brutal has anything to do with Doom? At this point he can just add custom enemy models and sell it as a generic aim-down-the-sight CoD clone shooter.

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>>4167623
WARNING

THIS IS THE MOST FUCKED UP THING I'VE EVER SEEN

>>4169293
Epic, simply epic.

>>4168696
>>4168704
That's the novels, and they're DEFINITELY non-canon. There's no Mormons in Doom 2 that I remember.

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>>4169289
Savage

>>4169298
that doesn't look like a sweater

>>4169302
thats the joke

>>4169297
>There's no Mormons in Doom 2 that I remember.
Except for Sandy Petersen.

>>4169303
what is it

>>4169306
thicc

>>4169308
nvm i found it
it's good

>>4169308
Just give us the sauce

>>4169315
is this giger alien inflation porn

>>4169318
this is fat, anon.
barring the porn part and that though, yes.
to be perfectly fair though, they -are- extremely parasitic, matched only by hostility.

>>4169318
>>4169321
also specifically, they're called "xenomorphs".

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>>4169293
You haven't really seen many joke wads then.
webm unrelated

>>4169327
Also 80 damage revenant balls are bullshit.

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>>4169315

>>4169337
I told you what would happen!

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>>4169297
Isn't it canon that it's in Utah? Or at least the downtown levels.

I know the starting building in Suburbs is supposed to be based on Sandy's own house.
Which explains the FIREBLU and the imps in the garage.

>>4169349
>you will never have FIREBLU in your garage
[stock donkey noise]

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Another look at that Keen spaceship cockpit after a tiny bit more work

>>4169321
i'm into bbw myself and this is beyond fat anon.
>>4169326
i was just joking. can't believe i was actually right

also WHY

>>4169361
LOL I DUNNO

It gave me a short giggle. That was sufficient enough to save.

>>4169361
>also WHY
Because fatties are hot and fat aliens are hotter.

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>>4169359
This is pretty dope, mike. You do good

>>4169367
That's *incredibly* subjective but fair enough.

>>4169371
Opinions make the world go 'round. If everyone jerked it to the same porn half the site would be pretty boring.

>>4169367
>You are no longer the only dude with an intrest in thicc monsters.

DESPAIR.
BUT ALSO FEAR

>>4169359
>>4169368
I feel it could have a much more "improvisional" feel to it, as if it had more household objects composing the cockpit, but simplified so a (genius) child can understand it.

>>4169371
Even to me it's extremely subjective.

>>4169375
If everybody jerked it to the same porn, art in general would be very boring.

>>4169359
the gravis gamepad is a nice touch

>>4169381
>DESPAIR.
>BUT ALSO FEAR
MY VERY OWN CLONE
NOW NEITHER OF US WILL BE VIRGINS.
no but really extra-thicc ayys are the fucking best, or faceless things in general

>I feel it could have a much more "improvisional" feel to it, as if it had more household objects composing the cockpit, but simplified so a (genius) child can understand it.
Or go full Megas XLR with gamepads and Radio Shack flip-switches and hula girls stuck everywhere.

>>4169381
here again

>>4169382
This too. The gamepad is spot-on and needs to stay. What's there is already good. It just needs a bit more to really make that "professionally master-crafted improvisational construction" shine.

Keen's ship is clearly very improvised, but it's also exceedingly well made considering WHAT it's made of.

Well I'm glad you two can find common ground.

>>4169367
>>4169381
>fat
>thicc
can you guys stop with the euphemisms? that shit was extreme even by immobile standards

>>4169384
>fat faceless monsters
Literally top tier.
Also exceptionally adorable.

>>4169389
>Was extreme even by immobile standards

SON
DO I NEED TO GIT MY ASS BANNED TO PROVE A POINT?
Because I -will- post a Starivore if I have to.

>>4169384
which nigga is this?

>>4169391
js stop calling it thicc

>>4169394
Thicc is less jargon/euphemism and more a reference to Aku, who's a pretty intimidating, yet still extremely funny villan.

He's basically what I would presume some of the demons to act like.

>>4169389
There's nothing euphemistic about the word fat, you fool. Any of the other fun words and you start veering into intentional fetish territory.

>>4169390
A third!

>>4169391
>which nigga is this?
don't you call me that, boy, I don't want no part of this but my dick dictates otherwise

>>4169404
I know about the Dick, brother. That's what got me into this mess to begin with.

>>4169368
Thanks! We also got a lot of people helping out with maps, graphics, and textures - so expect to see more (and maybe play some) in the near future.

>>4169381
>>4169386

Yeah, there's going to be more improvised elements - just working out the basics right now.

>>4169382
Haha yeah, i'm fairly proud of that touch, which is partially why it's kinda the 'centerpiece' of the cockpit.

great, we get the refuges banned off other forums

>>4169407
Coooool.

If you ever need another hand, please don't hesitate to ask. but i'm sarais though. no hard feelings comrade

keen was part of childhood; and what founded my hatred for most platformers

I have the majority of the games collected/installed at the moment, so I can pop those suckers open. I think the latter trilogy is where i'd put my efforts though, if I mapped. easier for me to comprehend and properly execute/convey.

Do you lot remember the keen secret maps of the-way-id-did?

>>4169270
>>4169236
Never saw BTSX before. It feel it's... pointless. Why make absolutely everything original except gameplay?

>>4169414
Why not? It's a cool mapset.

>>4169414
That's also part of my dichotomy. And I'm probably annihilating the meaning of the word.

I try to make something fresh and original each time I map.

>>4169327
whatthefuckishappening.wad

>>4169415
I won't deny that it's great, but a different athmosphere, rather unfitting music (for the few vid's I've seen) and just doom monsters?

You might as well take the final step and do a full TC.

Mind that I absolutely detest repeating things and feel like the official vanilla doom releases are more than enought for "normal" doom gameplay

>>4167651
He has actually posted about it here even before that video.

>>4169423
why?

mapsets are cool a fun.
mapsets with actual effort and original resources put into them, so they can be enjoyed in different ways, are even better.

>>4169423
So play it with a gameplay mod.

I suggest Accessories To Murder

>>4169426
I dunno, it's my quirk. If I stop playing and think about what I just did, "I just did the same thing over again with a new shade of paint" is the fist thought that would happen. Hell it happens whenever I try to 100% games and 100%ing them is 80% grinding. I get it going but 1/3rd I start to question why the hell i'm doing it

>>4169429
yes, I plan to do this for a lot of wads

>>4169436
fair enough, different strokes for different folks and all that.

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Who was in the wrong here?

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>>4167948
Quu-chan is cute! CUTE!

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So how's the muzzleflashes? They'll animate at 1 tic each at fullbright.

>>4169445
the codex astartes does not support this action

>>4169452
Why are they coming out of the drum, too?
It's realistic, I suppose, but very jarring.

>>4169445
That's metal as fuck and makes me think of ETQW

Why don't we get a Planetside 1-themed ETQuakeWars game? Three-way, with the Strogg, "Slipgate Sortie" and Abstract Horrors? This way we could tie "quake 3 arena" "quake 2" and "quake 1" together.

>>4169458
Because Quake 2 triggers tryhards.

>>4169442
this is just like ID fanfiction

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>>4169454
Because there's a gap between the cylinder and barrel on basically all revolvers, and I think the flash from there is never really represented in fiction, despite being cool as fuck.

On a big Magnum I don't feel I could leave it out.

>>4169442
More importantly, who's the bottom?

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I started looking through level credits on the wiki and was surprised by how many Sandy had a hand in, and it lead me to look up more of Doom's map authors and ponder a few things about the general opinions people have on them. So here's some questions that I'd appreciate feedback on:

In terms of overall map quality, how would you rank the map makers of Doom 1/2? (ie Romero, Hall, McGee, Sandy; Green can be ignored due to only making three maps.)
Since people often criticize Sandy for making some of the worst maps in the games; do you think of him as a bad map maker overall, or do you think of him as a good or average map maker that just happened to have made some pretty bad maps?
Considering the number of maps Sandy's made for Doom 1/2, what ratio of his maps do you consider to be good/average/bad? (ie "mostly average, some good, some bad", or more specific)
Do you think Doom 1/2's map quality could have been improved if Romero had worked on more maps for both games?
And what are a few levels that you consider to be the best and worst of Doom 1/2? Do you think these maps are inherently good or bad because of the person who made the maps?

Thanks in advance to those that answer, because I'm genuinely interested to see what people think.

>>4169452
>when_theres_a_gap.png
Looks great.

>>4169478
It's almost as good as a thigh-gap on a girl.

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>>4169462
>fiction

Nearly a month since the last Zandronum test release, wonder if we're getting 3.0 stable soon?

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>>4169452
Looks awesome, but the pattern on the hammer is distracting. It somehow looks like a hole in the sprite

pic is a suggestion. it should also change based on how far back the hammer is pulled (changing the angle of the surface)

>>4169458
Uh, anon, that is literally the entire idea behind that "Kawaiik" concept you just responded to.

>>4169469
I'd put American McGee last, if only because of the seething hatred I have for mediocrity of Underhalls.

>>4169490
Hmm, I guess I'll try to remember that.
But as I said before, I'm 100% winging it.

>>4169469
Sandy's Doom 1 maps are good for sure, I'd say e2m2 being his best map
He has some really bad entries in 2, namely Nirvana and the Chasm. Tricks and Traps and Barrels o Fun are pretty divisive too. Not sure what happened there.

>>4169508
You're doing well for winging it.

>>4169482
aishiteru, r-romero-kun!

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>>4169108
>we'll never have a Zelda mod that's not utter trash

>>4167924
Probably Quake 1 since it has its own dedicated language built right in.

>>4168415
How did the author of this wad die?

>>4169778
How did you get Blood looking so crisp?

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What are some map design choices/trends you hate?
>Some brown water hurts you
>Some brown water doesn't
>The map is inconsistent with when it does or doesn't hurt you

>>4169817
Pits with skybox.

Probably a really weird question to ask but would anyone happen to have .img files of the original DOOM floppies?

>>4169782
the one thing I can say I miss from the N64 port was visual recoil on most weapons. the new sprites are cool but they're easily extractable and easy to put into dn3d, and some of them don't look that good compared to their original counterparts.

still, a solid port.

>>4169817
Hitscanners behind fake walls

>>4169817
platforming segments

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>>4169906
>Chaingunners in a narrow indentation raised a few feet off the ground and hidden behind a false wall
Or in other words;
>Where the fuck am I being shot from
>I'm shooting the walls and nothing is dying
>WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU

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decided to stick my hand in something other than maps, bullshitted my way into doing some rock caco, might continue

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>>4169948
>and it's for ants

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Just tried grezzo 2 and holy heck this shit is amazing, are there any other doom mods as nut hilarious as this?

>>4169948
>rock caco
So it belches out boulders?

>>4169519
E2M2 is mostly a tom hall layout.

>>4169952
Could be, maybe it will be a crystal shard, or the standard projectile with more purple, I've got no idea where I'll go with this besides "vanilla monsters but black"

>>4169994
What about a purple projectile that explodes into several smaller ones after a distance

>>4170002
I would have no clue how to do that, most of my modding experience comes from skimming the occasional zdoomwiki page and opening up something in SLADE and exclaiming "oh"

>>4169817
secrets behind a different textured wall

>>4169519
>Sandy's Doom 1 maps are good for sure, I'd say e2m2 being his best map
tom hall made 99% of e2m2.

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>>4170019
what's the matter with those?

>>4169469
Honestly, in terms of gameplay, I actually reckon Sandy Petersen made some of the strongest and least linear maps. I really liked that he wasn't afraid to experiment, which helped make a lot of his maps stick out as unique to me. Main reasons he's divisive, is that his maps aren't as visually pleasing as Romero's, and that the progression isn't always obvious, especially in his doom 2 maps.

I like the overall nonlinearity of Tom Hall's levels. And considering Petersen has to finish up most of them, I'd imagine it influenced his mapping style.

John Romero also made pretty strong maps. He's the favorite for a lot of people, and I can understand why. His maps look really good, the gameplay is pretty solid, and the progression is very intuitive. His maps can be a little formulaic, though, especially in E1 (which I guess was the point).

I was never much of a fan of American McGee's maps. With the exception of Dead Simple (which was based on Sandy's idea) and Inmost Dens (Which honestly was done better in Memento Mori and Plutonia), they're all kinda boring to me. Maps 02-06 are just so damn yawn-inducing compared to Romero's E1.

I don't much like Bloodfalls, but I quite like Shawn Green's E4 maps. Not much else to really say since he contributed so little.

>>4169293
>Gone Doom
Dude it's called Gone Homo.

>>4170019
Would you prefer they look the same as every other wall, turning it into a game of complete guesswork?

>>4170061
Not him but there are a bunch of other ways to do it.
>switch can only be seen from a certain angle
>shootable button can only be seen from a certain angle (a la Quake E1M1)
>door opens when you walk past a certain area - the sound being the only cue
>secret behind false wall, with something out of place to indicate something going on (like first map of contract revoked - 2 stairs leading seemingly nowhere, until you stumble through the wall into the secret)
>secret can only be jumped to or found by exploring
>secret area can only be seen from a certain angle in an area you usually run right past.

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>>4169817
>map has groups of Lost Souls bundled here and there

>>4170046
They're almost unmissable and feel lazy on behalf of the mapper. I suppose on older ports and lower resolutions they can be a bit more hidden but still, I feel they lack originality

>>4170061
There's a lot of leeway for creativity with secrets as that other anon has shown

Anyone follow the doomworld ironman? Bloodite is definitely cheating right?

>>4169817
This is why I tend not to think "its blue, therefore it shouldn't hurt" and "its green, therefore it should hurt" etc. anymore. Better to look for visual cues like caution signs, decorative corpses, and nearby radiation suits instead.

>>4170109
He's a speedrunner.

>>4170116
So are Dime, Anima Zero, Analcalgon and probably a few more. I'm not denying he's a great player but surely someone can't go this long (blind runs too!) without dying?

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i was thinking that a Blame! doom could be nice but it would be pretty fucking hard to make all the damn safeguards and machinery shit

>>4168086
They're ground based and trap you more effectively

>>4169442
David DeCoteau's Masters of Doom