Listen here, fucknugget. I don't give a SHIT about how you play your LE RETRO fucking games. Maybe you played an NES once when you were 10 because your hipster shit big brother brought one home from the epic flea market before he flipped it to buy a new scarf after watching an episode of Pawn Stars and now you think it is cool to like old shit because JonTron told you to do it, but you'll NEVER be accepted among those who actually played this shit YEARS ago and aren't fad-following YouTube kiddies just waiting for your next big find because let's face it, the seond you get your OMG LITTLE HAMPTON you'll be taking fucking pictures of your EPIC HAUL to plaster all over your Facebook group because you are so desperate to fit in. Your Alienware machine running ZSNES with that awful fucking smoothing filter doesn't have shit on anything, got that? Maybe it will hold you over, but don't pretend like you aren't desperate for the real deal so you can start your fucking YouTube collecting channel like Pete fucking Dorr.
>>2915173 That doesn't make any sense. Emufags just play on emulators because it's free and convenient. If you want to talk about a group that puts arbitrary limitations, lets look at the people who refuse to play anything except the legit game on the original console. No emulators, no flashcarts, nothing.
But yes, someone made a thread about what's the perfect setup to get the best NES/Famicom experience either an RGB modded NES-101 or or RGB modded AV Famicom and you had a dozen people chime in about how "who cares, just emulate, faggit!".
It's not just a meme and I'm not trying to be funny but the majority of people on 4chan are NEETs, poor college students or underage and dependent on their parents to buy things for them (imagine convincing your mom to buy a cart with an SD slot to play games twice your age)...
75% of people here have no other choice, so just like that kid whose parents already bought them a TurboGrfx 16 and won't buy them another console... as a mental defense mechanism they have to defend emulation.
If emulators were only available at stores for like 50 bucks and couldn't pirate it, I bet there would be far fewer people who defend it.
For most things I can't tell the difference between the emulation and the original, but for games like Mario I cannot play them for SHIT on emulators, really bad at them. I couldn't believe it because I was good at these as a kid.
Then I got a flashcart and played on my actual SNES and I had no problems. Until this point though I had no idea why, so no elitism from me.
>>2915236 This. I fished an old and I mean older than my old ass old wood console TV out of some old lady's garbage. It was a 1974 zenith. I found a local repair guy and he basically made it new again for $150. I touched up the nicks and dents and now have a like new 1974 zenith just for playing NES on. My wife and kids thought I was insane. The first few weeks I watched cartoons on it in my pajamas while laying on my stomach eating cereal, just to freak them out.
>>2915108 Why is everyone here convinced that normies and hipsters are invading their hobby? I'm the only person I know who buys or even plays retro games. Being enough of a gamer that you're interested in more than the latest open world game or iPhone game is already pretty weird, being interested in 6th gen games or earlier means you're getting into the higher levels of autism.
Retro gaming and collecting isn't very popular, and a couple YouTube videos don't change that.
>>2916180 More than half of the shit people even call glitches are just abuses of perfectly functional game mechanics. Creating an arbitrary distinction between what the game considers fair and what you consider fair is going full autism.
>thread about retro game stores gets deleted >this thread is still here
I don't really have a problem with this thread being here, but the fuck? Do the janny-poos really just unquestioningly delete what gets reported the most? It was legitimate discussion of stores that sell actual old games.
>>2916697 >eSports teams finding glitches before tournaments and not making them public is pretty sketchy though.
The sporting thing is to try to make the most of every advantage. A competition is about trying to win, not hold hands. If it wrecks the game that's the game developer's fault, not the people who were able to exploit it. Why would they say "hey guys, we found this, we thought we'd let you in on it", it's not a girls' tea party.
>>2917049 >Do the janny-poos really just unquestioningly delete what gets reported the most? This is how most low traffic boards on 4chan are handled, since they are busy dealing with the high traffic boards.
>>2917769 >And here the carefully-crafted illusion that 4chan is run by anything other than dysfunctional fuckheads falls completely apart... Holy shit do newfags actually believe that there's someone competent in charge?
As I said, he may actually be worse than m00t. As far as I know, m00t never resold people's credit card numbers and entire posting histories. It is said that he was the willing puppet of the FBI, but that was supposedly a "Do it, shut it all down, or don't do either and rot in Federal prison" type deal, not for making profit and currying favor with the current government.
As far as I remember, someone got sick of this autistic meme and actually ran the numbers on both the maximum amount of lag and the minimum difference a human could detect without being some kind of outlier to modern medical science. The results were conclusive that a normally functioning OS, controller, emulator, and computer would result in input lag so imperceptible as to be physically impossible to detect by your average human being (though, the impromptu experiment did appear to assume USB 2.0 or better and a cycle-accurate emulator, I believe).
>>2917858 1. If you use your credit card info to purchase 4chan passes (literally the only way to give Hiro that info) instead of Paypal or buttcoin, you deserve anything you get. 2. Considering 99% of all posting is anonymous and at best linked to an IP, I'm not sure what good that would do.
>>2917867 A common mistake in reaction-time tests is that it doesn't account for the normal reaction time gap of a person. For example, if someone is having a 120 ms reaction time to any event in a game, and there's an added 30 ms lag/delay in a particular setup, then that person will be exhibiting a 160 ms reaction time.
People often say "well, the lag is below a person's reaction time therefore it's pointless to worry about it", but that's ignoring that it's a compound number. This is why specific TV's have real performance results in competitive gaming.
Hiro was at 2chan before 4chan m8. Things work a bit differently there. Or did, until he was driven out by a fuck-angry digital mob and a hostile takeover from some US Army ex-pat. Then Hiro proceeded to DDOS his own former online home.
I wonder if moot ever reported anyone to the FBI back before 4chan started to get popular in 2007. I'd really be curious to hear how many people got arrested or investigated for conducting or planning illegal activity on 4chan before then.
>>2917879 I'm quite aware of what happened at 2ch, and I'm not going to pretend Hiro wasn't being a dick. I'm simply pointing to the reality of the situation. There isn't really much data to sell in the first place.
Threads regularly prune on an image board, friend. And I am _not_ digging around in a 4chan archive for the last year+ of /vr/ to find one part of one thread.
It was just something I remember being posted that I found funny as all hell at the time, because, like now, even that was not enough for the "Original Hardware" autists. They just kept arguing until no one would argue back (also known as the "last word defense") and the thread slid off of page 10.
>>2917863 >Specifically around controller input polling and sync RetroArch supports parallel port input if you really care.
>>2917867 All latency harms gaming performance no matter whether you notice it or not. 1ms can make the difference between barely succeeding and failure. Depending on the game there could be thousands of times where success depends on reaction time, and some of them you'll pass only by a very narrow margin. With only a tiny amount of added latency those would have been failures.
>There isn't really much data to sell in the first place.
Here there isn't. In Japan post history can be combined with credit card number and IP address and sold to the rising-power conservative party to establish popular sentiment and purchasing history. 'Chans are not quite the same over there: a much larger cross-section of the population uses them (rather than....Erm...What 4chan's userbase consists of).
That's the one bright spot: until 4chan got popular m00t had almost no involvement with the Feds, if any law enforcement. Once they knocked on his door (figuratively; I don't think they actually no-knock raid'ed him or anything), he didn't put up any fight. Some might see that as cowardly, but to be realistic I don't think there was any stopping the government. These days there almost never is.
I do think it was cowardly to allow them unrestricted on-demand access to the site without trying to warn people or simply taking the high-road and saying "That's all, folks!".
>>2915280 >someone made a thread about what's the perfect setup to get the best NES/Famicom experience either an RGB modded NES-101 or or RGB modded AV Famicom and you had a dozen people chime in about how "who cares, just emulate, faggit!".
Well there's nothing wrong with asking that question, it's the people saying to emulate that are shitposting in that situation. Complaining about how people choose to enjoy their games is the problem here, if you want to emulate that's fine, if you want to play on physical hardware is fine too. Being a dick and insisting people have to do it your way is the problem.
>>2916178 A 20 year old Girl I work with collects N64 games, wants a SNES and has recently bought a Megadrive. My boss bought her son a SNES for Christmas. My sisters fiancé is in the process of digging out his old games from his and is parents lofts because he knows a lot of people who collect old games who've told him the prices have recently gone up and now's a good time to sell them. My friend, who collects megadrive games, told me last night his barber also collects megadrive games. And in the next town over there's now 3 shops that sell retro games, while a year ago there was only 1.
So it seems to me that it's gotten relatively popular, but this is just my experience living in a small town in rural England.
Depending on what hardware you're using, you can tell the difference. Most notable difference for me is the sound. Use a gameboy emulator on an android device and compare a game's music to the gameboy original, there is a big difference in sound quality.
>>2917858 >m00t never resold people's credit card numbers and entire posting histories Pretty sure that was a guy on his staff who did that on his own without Hiro's input. I think he's actually in a legal battle with the guy who actually did it.
>>2917894 Fairly certain he turned over IPs of people who posted CP and stuff, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned over the IP of one of the few who went and committed murder and posted about it, probably to cover himself legally 'I would have done the same thing)
>>2917867 You are making a huge mistake if you think that if a human can't perceive it it doesn't make a difference. Hint: If you're playing Mario Kart time trials and going at 98% the speed you won't perceive a difference either until the time difference starts to add up.
>>2918712 Who would have thought the guy repeatedly raving about "autistic meme", "retards", "mentally ill" and "muh spergers" wouldn't have a clue about science and make fallacies all over the place? Emulation can be good, it deserves someone to put up a better argument that this fool.
>>2918202 retro gaming isnt very popular theres always that guy saying about "oh man mario/zelda was the shit" but they dont give enough of a fuck to buy/find an old N64 theres also some of this in PC gaming where they talk about "oh man age of empires was the shit man remember cs 1.6 man?" and they dont really want to play those games again. source: RL
>>2916683 >The code allows for it to happen Yeah, so? The laws of physics also allow you to run down a basketball court without dribbling the ball, but that's against the rules of the game and you'll be penalized for doing it.
>>2915107 >but very unlikely unless you're using a CRT. Why the fuck wouldn't you? There's really little reason not to be. Besides let's be honest here, you're discussing input lag. If you're not using a CRT you don't even notice the difference or care, you aren't even relevant to this discussion which was bitching about input lag in the first place. You don't go and bitch, well you'd notice the speed difference in nascar racing when the nascar racer drives an ice cream truck. Right, but since no nascar racer drives an ice cream truck it doesn't fucking matter. So for consistency sake let me fix that for you >of course and it's extremely likely because there's no other reason for me to consider otherwise that doesn't even remotely involve this discussion.
>>2918921 Well if it was in the rules of the game it would stop you from doing it. Not reward you for exploiting the code. The rules of basket ball are clearly defined the rules of the game have instructions they don't stop you from doing it. So your reasoning is flawed.
But he's completely right, all you sperglords do is flaunt that you waste money on easily-emulatable hardware marked up to scalper prices and jack off on your CRT screens. The rest of the time you fill entire threads with your autism while the rest of us try to actually discuss the games we're playing.
>>2915187 I've no idea someone would delete my post stating that I have no idea who those two are nor why I should care what they have to say. And I still have no idea who those two are nor why I should care what they have to say.
>>2919206 I've never used any social media that you'd have to sign up to be part of.
>>2920851 >What if something happens where you have to press 'jump' in 350ms or you die. To be fair if you ever find yourself in a situation where you HAVE to react in 350ms or die, you probably suck at games.
>>2914947 For neogeo the difference is pretty obvious.
The raster effect ( flickering transparency ) many games use doesn't work properly without a CRT running at the original framerate.
It doesn't look transparent on emulators - it just flickers. On some games, that use it extensively it's downright eye straining to look at. That's why ports usually replace it with real transparency. For pretty much all fighters, that use it:
neo > DC/ps2 port > emulator
for some ports the DC port is more expensive than the MVS cart - so no - i'm not rationalizing burnt money
>>2917107 If winning by any means possible is absolutely the most important thing, then how come no serious Super Turbo champion plays as Akuma, the indisputably best character? Oh, right, it's because people that actually care about competition understand something called "the spirit of the game" and how it's more fun to play something with balance and variety instead of having everyone do the same boring thing. I swear, it's like most of you don't even like playing video games. You just want to exploit game's system and get it over with as fast as possible so you can get validation from the machine. I bet you use the pause glitch against the Yellow Devil and then justify it by talking about how hard the fight is when it's just the same pattern over and over.
>>2919407 Don't know if you've been told this but the word emulation basically means to imitate. Just saying. >Most of us don't care, we just wanna play out of print games without you price gouging fuckery.
Why have I been seeing this pop up everywhere when it comes to retro vidya?
I've never noticed it in any shape or form on flatscreens, crts, on consoles, emulators, or anything else.
Is this some stupid new non-existent complaint? Even if it is a thing, what's the fucking difference between 1/10000 of a second and 1/100000 of a second? Are you a bunch of mlg watching faggots or something?
And for you op, yeah I do notice a difference when my game works on the hardware it was intended to run on vs a slapped together frankenstein of an emulator like pj64 or some shit.
>>2922480 10 frames of lag when running 240p signals on an HDTV is fucking significant. I'm not sure if you're blind or just not paying attention. Stuff like mega man is completely unplayable if you just hook your NES up to your LCD.
Everything else is indeed splitting hairs though, in terms of emulator vs console or whatever else.
>>2917867 Your average human is a mouth breather. Measuring averages is fucking retarded for shit. The average person doesn't get raped in the ass by large burly men, therefore it happens to no one. Also what's known doesn't change what is. I can't detect a bullet coming out of a gun but it can still have a pretty devastating effect on me.
>>2922480 I've had it on a few setups before. Specific configuration can make a large difference as well. Even if it is a thing, what's the fucking difference between 1/10000 of a second and 1/100000 of a second? Not much. Which is why we're actually discussing input lag on an order enough to cause significant frame delay for input instead. But good job on responding like a troll instead of someone trying to have a discussion.
>>2923215 Fuck you mouth breather. Averages tell you what you might expect not the limits of possibility. >Without averages we wouldn't have lots of shit this dumbass likely enjoys on a daily basis (MP3 compression is one of them). Except that MP3 passes all double blinds against it and is 100% comparable in hearing to a digital CD without fault. That's not average, that's the limit. You can't more definitive than not a single person has the capability to detect the range here. Likewise, a lot of people have average hearing and encode as abysmally low rates like 128K cuz, it's good enough I can't hear the difference and you end up with a fucking terrible recording on a perfectly acceptable format. OGG's better though since it's similar enough in compression and it's also free licensed.
>>2920949 >It doesn't look transparent on emulators - it just flickers. It just flickers on original hardware too. Flicker transparency is always an ugly hack. And it looks the same on emulators, assuming they're correctly configured (1:1 emulated:displayed frame ratio). Note that this requires using vsync as the master timing source, which means audio will glitch unless you're using dynamic rate control. AFAIK RetroArch is the only software that gets this right.
If you just like to play video games there is nothing wrong with emulators or buying. The real cancer are collectorfags who buy games primarly for collecting and owning the product instead of playing and beating it.
>>2925756 You don't need a gaming rig to run Higan/BSNES. You just need a good CPU. The graphics card does literally nothing for emulating SNES games. I have an i5-3570K that I'm not even overclocking and it runs Higan flawlessly.
>>2922503 He's beatable but requires immense luck, unlike every other character in the game that has a pattern that you COULD memorize to beat on an LCD, Tyson is impossible because he's the only guy in the game to throw actual random blows and you need split second reflexes... at least in the first round.
Wow... Well said. I'm 33 and all I see here are kids wishing they lived in the 90s like me and my friends. The argument over CRT lines is the best. Kids fighting over what we sought to eliminate with HDs lol
>>2928626 nah, as lots of others have stated it's lame, it reminds me of maddox style except a lot worse. Most of the post is just getting in all of those culture references and put-downs, that really impresses you? And no I'm not a kid, I'm almost the same age as you.
>>2922149 >>And with your "original hardware" you can't even flip the output and then turn your TV upside down in order to draw the initial lines where the characters appear at the bottom (formerly top).
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