How come Sega stuff isn't that collectible and the prices didn't go up that high (except for maybe Saturn)
How come portable games never go up that high in price either?
Sega isn't Nintendo but at the same time isn't rare
Portable games and consoles are always loose and beat to shit. New and like new+complete examples are collectible there's just never much shortage of rough condition stuff cheap.
Frequently the rarest portable games are undesireable i.e. not at all fun. lolcamecom wtf? Ngage is even a neat little flash of a transitional platform but little collectibility so far.
It is, at leat outside the US (in which Nintendo used to have a monopoly, and is now part of pop culture). Retrogamers in the US flog to SMB like 14 years old girls flog to Justin Bieber concerts.
>Frequently the rarest portable games are undesireable
That's the case with consoles too.
I fucking wish I could get Hammerin' Harry: Ghost Building Company and Trip World for under 100€. At least Trax is dirty cheap.
One reason is that Nintendo games were always expensive, so they were only available to kids who were already from a higher socioeconomic background. It's amazing the prices Nintendo got away with charging for the exact same game.
>How come Sega stuff isn't that collectible
Nintendo games are still talked about to this day. Everyone loves and still wants to play FFVI and Chrono Trigger. Not so much with NiGHTS or... having trouble thinking of Sega exclusives that aren't Sonic, I don't own many Sega games.
The Sega games that are both rare and high quality, like Panzer Dragoon Saga, do command a price to match.
Because nintendo has legions of drones that will literally climb over each other to get the chance to eat shit.
I've owned every ninty console since I was a kid too. But it's ridiculous seeing what desperate lengths nintendo fanboys will go to get whatever item we're talking about. Doesn't matter if it's a majora's mask 3DS, another shitty amiibo, old nintendo games, etc. If it has nintendo's logo on it, it'll go for double what it would anywhere else.
The issue is that Sega never really held on to its IPs and made them into long-lasting franchises, even though they could have. It's just how they roll. There are actually tons of Sega IPs that could've become successful franchises, but simply weren't marked as such and remained either stand-alone games or maybe had a sequel or two on the genesis and never had games made on later systems like saturn or dreamcast or beyond.
Things like shinobi, streets of rage, shining force, wonder boy, panzer dragoon, etc. They just never treated their games as any more than what they were. And whether they were successful or not, they dusted themselves off and moved on to the next completely original game to make.
The more popular system is pricier to collect for because you have too many clowns chasing after the same titles and resellers prey on that.
That's all that is. Some of the theories in this thread are retarded though like "Sega was for poorer kids" and "Sega never rehashed its IP".
Rehasing IPs is important though.
It creats the popularity for the series for the "clowns" to chase after.
LoZ1 and Adventure of Link would still be popular, but after Ocarina of Time they are more so and sought after by collectors who've never had and still don't own an NES simply because it's part of the Zelda line, for example.
In Australia Sega is cheaper for a few reasons, the Mega Drive and Master System were hugely popular and there are plenty of games around, unlike Nintendo. The games are easier to find complete and in the box, so that doesn't put the price up much higher than a loose cartridge. And finally, Nintendo is beloved by autists and kids who watch retro gaming shows on youtube. It's funny to hear them call the Mega Drive 'Genesis' and look for the Purple SNES. But the funniest thing is when they play the games at 50hz for the first time.
>How come Sega stuff isn't that collectible and the prices didn't go up that high (except for maybe Saturn)
There are quite a bunch of Megadrive games selling for $50-$100, though they are rarely USA games.
And the Saturn is perhaps the second most expensive console to collect out of all of them (behind the Neogeo).
Other than Konami what else is blowing up? You can still buy every Sonic game for less than $10 and just about every major title that shows up on top ten lists are also just as cheap. The only games that are moderately pricey are super niche like Alisia Dragoon, Valis, Trouble Shooter, and the better SHMUPS on the system.
That being said ebay is being straight up retarded right now with some titles. ToeJam and Earl is going for like $30-60 depending on how complete it is and JUST the Ristar cart has some morons bidding $50 on it.
"Sega never rehashed its IP" is important though. Names like zelda and mario are commonplace that even nongaming resellers are able to identify them and know they're popular games that will go for top dollar. It's legitimately harder to do this with the genesis because many people that don't own a genesis simply do not know what the popular games were.
1. Sega was popular enough, even neck-and-neck with Nintendo at one point, to not become rare while at the exact same time not being as universally popular.
2. Sega games usually came in nice plastic cases instead of nasty cardboard boxes, which means boxes/manuals have far less resale value.
3. Handhelds were bought in larger quantities as only one user could operate one at a time. It is not rare in wealthier areas for a pair of brothers to share a console but each have their own handheld.
4. Portables are often scuffed and covered in stickers and soda pop residue. If it's NiB you'll pay a fortune but used units aren't pretty unless it was owned by an older enthusiast or refurbished.
Here's your answer.
Now stop making these threads before the scalpers get any ideas.
Certain Sega stuff spikes from time to time.
Shenmue I and II climbed a decent amount during the Shenmue 3 kickstarter, for example. They'll spike again as it gets closer to release.
Other than that, most of the standard issue Sega stuff doesn't get too high (outside of the Saturn) because modern hipsters who want to buy a retro system that is older than they are so they can look post on facebook about how they're "such a nerd lol" don't know shit about Sega and tend to gravitate toward the NES and SNES instead. Demand for retro Nintendo stuff is higher, so prices are higher as a result.
Just look how many "I just bought an SNES, what games do you recommend?" threads have been popping up on /vr/ lately.
I honestly think that sometime within the next five years the Dreamcast will be the next system to get hit by the hipster demand train as it becomes the "cool, obscure" retro system to own to rebel against the mainstream or whatever.
Basically, what I'm saying is, if you actually enjoy playing Dreamcast games than do yourself a favor and buy a couple spare VMUs and controllers now instead of five years from now when they're four times the price.
Why is every kid born in the 90's considered to be hipster when having older consoles?
I'm born in 1996 and own an Atari 2400 as well as a snes.
I started to play snes when i was like 5 years old with my older brother. I kinda grew up with this shit, at least for a few years till my brother could effort a ps1. So why is every younger guy who ones consoles realeased earlier than 2000 automatically a hipster?
I think Sega is more popular as a brand itself than for the games it created. Whenever you saw a Sega arcade you'd know 'this is good shit', even if the game in the arcade wasn't a Sega game.
Nintendo however is popular for the games they created, not just the brand itself.
the part with
>I grew up with this shit
was obviously related to the snes
and yeah, the atari is pretty much about the culture and the beginning of all that video gaming we have nowadays
segaage.com has a rarity guide. So do nintendoage.com and atariage.com, for consoles by those companies. Other than that, just talk to collectors for the consoles you're interested in I guess.
Sega devalues their own IP too. I picked up a collection with 100+ Genesis games on Amazon sale for like five bucks, and every time I go to the drugstore I see these for twenty bucks and they're certainly not bootlegged.
Pleased to have found a cheap little shelf at a thriftshop that perfectly holds genesis carts.
Yeah, and really it was that way in sega's arcade heyday too. I read about how Hang-On was the US pack-in for the SMS, but that they didn't get much traction with that versus the popularity of super mario bros. I wouldn't be surprised if Tonka had a big part in that too though.
I feel like it comes from most of Sega's IPs burning out with the Dreamcast and not having newer games beyond Sonic coming out. Sure, most people can easily name Sonic but probably won't know what the fuck you're talking about if you mention something like Streets of Rage, Nights, Jet set Radio, etc
The only one I never had was the Tails spinner, which frankly is shit compared to the other three.
I hear that cassette tape holders are great for carts.
This, they just didn't keep their stuff alive and relevant. The funny thing about it now is that they are finally capable of not having home console ports and sequels not be seriously inferior to the originals, or could even do some damn cool stuff, but they won't now that they're convinced that those products won't sell. it's all sonic and project diva and yakuza now.
>I hear that cassette tape holders are great for carts.
I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for a modest-sized one at goodwill, the ones I'm seeing online are a bit larger than I have the space for.
Well what I think it really boils down to is, after Sega left the console market it's fans where forced to just "move on." (autistic Sonic nuts not withstanding)
It was a harsh wake up call, sure but compared to Nintendo fans in a way Im kind of glad for it. There's a lot of fond memories and Im happy to go back and replay my collection when I can but, speaking for myself, Im just kind of done with all. I have enough game to last me forever, I don't need a new one every year.
Nintendo fans are basically crack addicts and I don't want to go through that shit.
>Nintendo fans are basically crack addicts
Speaking as a Nintendo fan, we are a very loyal bunch, but the amount of good will Nintendo can rely on is finite. I'll never buy a Metroid game again unless one gets absolutely stellar reviews. Zelda is on thin ice too after Skyward Sword, although Zelda U is still a guaranteed purchase for me. I still feel pretty good about Mario, the quality has remained decently high.
The Rolling Stones? You mean massively popular in South America for no good reason?
> true story, I was in Montevideo, Uruguay on vacation trying to buy a Beatles vinyl and the girl behind the counter wouldn't sell it to me until I admitted the Rolling Stones were superior
> I actually think she wanted the D but the spaghetti was launching out of my pockets at a record velocity
>portable games not that high
I disagree, I'm trying to complete my loose cart gameboy collection and I'm at the point of paying at least 20 a cart, and sometimes 30 to 40. My most recent purchase being, Stop That Roach by Koei.
In Argentina there's a whole rock sub-genre called "rollinga"
They sound makes me want to rape babies to death, but they're certainly more playable than trying to use virtual joysticks on a smartphone.
If you had a five-year-old nephew or something they'd make a good gift.
We let retro vidya decide our purchasing habits for us, and retro vidya has answered.
>How come Sega stuff isn't that collectible and the prices didn't go up that high
You know how scripto lighters are cheaper than bic?
Same thing. No one wants to pay more for the knockoff.
>No one wants to pay more for the knockoff.
It's funny because Sega were always paving the way and were a million times more inventive than Nintendo.
I bet you think Mario was the first platformer and Star Fox was the first 3D game.
I'm 18 and play old games all the time. Our family only had a super nintendo with a few games until ~2004 when we got a gamecube. My earliest memories of games are playing mario 3 with my brother. You can't assume someone's disposition toward old games based on age.
Hence why gen 1 and 2 pokemon carts go for 25 bucks and up every time I walk into a used game store. It's fucked up. Those games are common as shit. This really is turning into an everdrive generation for me.
Because despite how much certain individuals on /vr/ talk sega stuff up, most of their junk is of horrible build quality and "radicalized" to cater to "cool kids"; You know the ones, that would tell you how awesome blast procession is on the bus and wouldn't know what the hell to say to "What is blast processing?".
You have to understand why sega is so well-liked around here: 4chan is notorious for hosting numerous contrarians. These are the kinds of people that would run INTO a tornado when everyone else runs away just so they feel "special".
Because you didn't experience early and mid 90s culture. The fucking n64 was released and you were still a baby. How could you have possibly experienced what us late 1980s children got? Nes, snes, and even n64 stuff should be played by us patrician old school gamers. Go back to your PS2/ps3 which is must likely the consoles you grew up on. Fucking 1996 children, God.
I have a pretty sizable Sega Mega Drive (Japanese) collection that I built about 12-13 years ago, but there were a few pricey titles that I just couldn't get my hands on back in the day (Twinkle Tale, Gleylancer, Panorama Cotton, and a couple others)... a few weeks ago I thought, "hell, no one cares about that shit anymore, I can probably get it for cheap". Holy fuck, those games are now $300-$400. FML... at least I already have Eliminate Down, which people (try to) sell for $1k+...
The Genesis always felt a bit "cheap" to me. The flood of Genesis "100 games in 1" knock offs you see in drug stores and the like doesn't help.
I think the Saturn and Dreamcast were really quality machines though.
Some rare Sega games are actually quite expensive. Here's an Ebay screenshot of shining force 2.
It's not, or else it wouldn't be legally sold on Amazon and shit like that. Look up what happened to guys selling Famiclones with games at the Mall of America in the late 90's early 00's
I just spent $89.99 for this. So fuck whatever you're talking about.
$40 for an uncommon game CIB is still pretty good compared to $40 that LOOSE copies of common SNES games go for. Also Ranger C is like $15 loose. If you want to play it and don't care about box and manuals that's still pretty cheap.
Specifically the neon green one? No. But like, standard white ones, and a 4 page multi-card, yes. 5 bucks. Technically it was 5 bucks for the DC they came with. I stuck them (and a vibration pack) into the controllers when I bought it. They charged me for the vibropack, not for the cards.
I'm from the Netherlands and over here it's pretty much the same thing. I had a Master System, Mega Drive and SNES growing up. Most kids and 20-year-olds these days don't even know what a Master System or Mega Drive is but they sure know about the Super Nintendo. The only Sega stuff that's really expensive is the Mega CD Model 1 and 32X.
Not the same thing at all, you had a SNES, which, according to Australia-kun, means you're an autist kid.
Also I hope you pronounce Sega like "See-Guh", otherwise you're doing it wrong (again, according to Australia-kun)
this feels like the more correct answer. Sonic is a pop culture icon. Clockwork Knight, not so much. I would also add that Nintendo had a deeper market penetration. It also had more kid friendly games, so more parents bought that system. The NES also came out before the Genesis, so brand loyalty had a chance to take hold. you never think about it, but the Genesis was designed to compete with the NES. this is the reason the SNES was such a clearly superior system. Even back then, Sega were shit at seeing past the ends of their noses.
The NES was a massive hit, and a ton of kids got one. By the time the Genesis came out, kids had already experiences SMB, Duck Hunt, and Excite Bike. these games are burned into gaming history because they essentially existed in a vacuum.
Like you said, Sega is terrible at keeping IPs relevant, while Nintendo is superb at it. we never had a chance to forget all those games we grew up with. Sega forgot their games for us. what are their current running series? Sonic and Phantasy Star?