nintendo systems are the only way to get nintendo games. Personally, I think they are all terrible systems, but the games are fantastic. it's not that hard to hold these two judgements in your head, at the same time.
Personally, I had a ball with Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day. I would really like to pick up some more N64 games.
>>2897502 I understand it on one hand, some games are just hard to bear with their framerates. Good examples to me are goldeneye and perfect dark, esp. the latter. I like them but the framerates do detract from the game. Ocarina of Time is another one like that but at least we have the 3D version which is a consistent 60.
I think it mostly comes from PC fans who deal with modern game makers doing lazy ports to PC which restrict the framerate arbitrarily despite high-end PCs often being easily capable of doing 60 or higher in said games. The meme is just a mindless, blanket application of that frustration as a zero tolerance rule for all of gaming. To me it seems clear that higher framerates should be better in pretty much any case, but I won't go and say any game which doesn't run at high framerates is bad for that alone. There are more merits to consider than technical matters, barring extreme cases.
>>2897613 I play the 3DS port, 60FPS and 3D is a thing to behold.
Either way I can appreciate your dedication to upholding high standards, but there's no need to be overly critical of games you dislike which happen to also have low framerates. It just comes off as flaming here which is not necessary.
>>2897604 >least we have the 3D version which is a consistent 60. Well actually the 3DS version plays at 30 fps. But it's fine, it's noticeably more smooth because it's a multiple of 60, unlike the original which is like, 24.
>>2897412 I'm not sure how I would rank it overall but it's got to be a top 5 consoles for me. There's so much games I missed out on as well. The controller is pretty damn solid. The only real issue, a big issue with it admittedly, is the control stick. It was really stupid of them to go with such a crappy control stick. N64 reminds me of when consoles were still about fun. Just look at those colors? Look at that design? You don't get that these days.
It's just not a very good system. Going with cartridges absolutely destroyed any chance that it could compete with the PlayStation and the Saturn when it came to game libraries. 2000 and 1000 games versus 200 or so says it all.
And the good games the N64 got were DESPITE its hardware and cartridges. If they'd gone with CDs instead of cartridges, Sega and Sony would have probably been crushed by it. They shed all decent third party developers besides Konami (who still sort of half assed it). Japanese developers were going through a renaissance at the time and the N64 completely missed out on all those great games because of Nintendo's stubbornness. MGS, Final Fantasy, Radiant Silvergun etc. vs. what N64 third party support? Turok?
And this is coming from a Nintendo fan who waited for the N64 whilst everyone else bought a PlayStation. I gave up and bought a PlayStation around Christmas 1997 and a Saturn a little bit later.
Honestly it was the end of Nintendo as a proper competitor, from then on they went off and did there own thing and that's fine.
The 64 is overrated and I grew up with it. But there are still are games for the system though I still would like to try some more non nintendy racers on the console here are some of my favorites Sin and Punishment Perfect Dark Custom Robo Bomberman Hero Wave Racer 64 Smash is good but the Smash series gets too much credit than it deserves Mario 64 >>2897621 OoT is overrated and MM is a bit underrated
>>2897717 >MGS, Final Fantasy, Radiant Silvergun etc. vs. what N64 third party support? Turok?
Well, both Saturn and N64 got nice Treasure support, PS1 only got 1 Treasure exclusive and it's arguably one of their weakest/less memorable ones (Rakugaki Showtime, fun but not on par with most of the rest of their works).
Saturn has Radiant Silvergun, Silouhette Mirage (ported to PS1) and Guardian Heroes N64 has Mischief Maker, Sin and Punishment and Bangai-O (Dreamcast got a remake but I personally like the N64 a bit better due to controls and game system)
>>2897739 Not the way i'm remembering it. I still remember when this board really got up in arms against OoT. HxC gaemr call this GoAT. MM is usually considered one of the black sheep in the series. I think LttP is the best. But im probably a minority in that one.
>>2898042 GameCube had a lot of oddball games and some good third party support. It's a hundred million times better than the N64 and I'm not a huge RPG fan so I like it more than the SNES too. F-Zero GX and Resident Evil 4 are enough to make it one of the best Nintendo systems.
>>2897412 Dont be swayed by the memes. The N64 was truly something special. The problem is, you missed out. You really had to grow up with it. I cant/dont want to even explain it. But others around my age remember it well.
>>2897717 >If they'd gone with CDs instead of cartridges, Sega and Sony would have probably been crushed by it. What about bettering their relationships with third parties (especially the Jap ones) since both sides (att at least) have been sour towards each other since even the NES days? Or making their dev kits much easier to work with?
>>2898042 I disagree. It was something of an improvement over the N64 in many aspects.
>>2898146 >Damn it sucks you will never experience it bro I was actually just the right age to realize it was shit, my early childhood belonged to the SNES/Genesis, thanks. Ge 5 sucked balls and the only thing the N64 was good for was 4-player Goldeneye and occasionally fucking around with Starfox/Smash/pokeyman. I feel sorry for anyone who had it as a primary system when the PS1, though still shit, was the better option. >>2898147 >Anyway, there's gigabytes of text online Yeah and nobody cares, except for you.
I'm trying to collect the best and "worst" of N64. Ok, I'm lieing. I'm just trying to collect the games I missed out on plus my favorites.
So far my only game is Mystical Ninja because my friend who I gave that to for Christmas lost his passion for collecting and is giving it to me back.
My list to buy/rebuy includes the following:
Played: OoT gold cart and v1.1, MM, Goemon's Great Adventure, Castlevania 64, Turok, Chameleon Twist 2, Jet Force Gemini, Sin & Punishment (I know JP only), Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Micro Machines, Lego Racers
Never played: Body Harvest, Winback, Mischief Makers, Hybrid Heaven, Resident Evil 2, Nightmare Creatures, Flying Dragon, Batman Beyond Return of the Joker, Space Station Silicon Valley, Blast Corps, Robotron 64, Road Rash 64, Turok 2 and 3
Games I'm not immediately interested in (worth more than I'm willing to pay): Banjo games, anything Pokemon, Smash Bros., Conker, Mario Kart 64 (my family has bought this game so many times...), Diddy Kong Racing, DK64, Star Wars games besides Shadow of the Empire
I also want some campy third-party sports games to kill time, but I can't think of any.
>>2898290 But make sure you don't offer any actual thoughts, discussion, or originality. Make damn sure it's clear you don't have a real argument. Just talk shit about everything so people know how much better you are than them.
Of the fucking course. Why would I waste time actually giving arguments? I'll just call anything shit and watch the nerds get salty, just because I'm THAT cool. I'm a total memester, a master of the bait.
>>2897717 >destroyed any chance that it could compete with the PlayStation and the Saturn I understand PS1, but Saturn? Did it do well at the time? Also I think N64 did just fine just because of Mario 64 and OoT, be them overrated or not.
I literally got my n64 on preorder and picked it up day 1
playing mario 64 for the first time was mind blowing especially the transition to 3d play and trying to master it
Go play tick tock clock and rainbow ride for the first time and tell me how it feels
Heres the thing
it has aged very poorly
although i loved it at the time
Playing it now the graphics are heavily dated, few really good games compared to the libraries of previous systems, and they were still mastering 3d gameplay so games reflect this learning curve and poor mastery of it
>>2898520 N64 only did well in the US and bad in Japan while the Saturn was the total opposite it did very well in Japan and ok in the US. Not sure about PAL but Sega released more stuff for the Saturn over there than here.
>>2898042 GC is N64 v2. Has great first party games but really lacks on third party support, which is pretty much the situation that Nintendo find itself nowadays anyway. Also, its competitor was the fucking PS2. Just because it has less games than the PS2 doesn't make it a bad console, it only makes it less worth getting if you had to pick one.
>>2898540 saturn sold poorly in the west even though genesis did incredibly well here (usa) because big box stores wouldn't carry it and it had limited developer support outside japan. both thanks to its surprise launch. don't let anon fool you that shit did not sell well here and was discontinued early, regardless of its awesome software base.
>>2898540 yeah, there is a reason why people say its better to import the saturn library. It was Saturn vs Playstation in Japan.It's a meme that the Saturn killed Sega but there are many factors to it but the saturn DID contribute to Sega's downfall. N64 sold like poor due to how late it came over there while people were already content with Saturn, Playstation or PC-FX.
>>2898570 that too! Not to mention some developers complained about how difficult it was to program for the 64. Though there are some good JP exclusives. It's a mere fraction of the Playstation and Saturn's immense Japanese exclusive games.
The Nintendo 64 controller may not be the best, but it certainly isn't bad. I love the way it fits your hand with the handles and the stick has a little resistance to it.
That, and I've never been a fan of the Playstation controller, and before the PS4 I'd use any console to avoid that awful controller, was pretty disappointing I had to use it for Silent Hill 3, considering 2 and 4 were on Xbox.
With other systems you can class them up with s-video or RGB or whatever but N64 always looks its best on a CRT. My 3DO, Saturn, PS1 whatever, it all looks serviceable on a modern television, but not the N64. Its like the blur ontop of the blur cancels it out.
>>2897680 >Nintendo is always the punching bag for no good reason other than it's the cool thing to do.
There's a lot of good reasons to hate on Ninty, just as there are a lot of other reasons to hate on others like Sega or Sony, don't kid yourself, there are no saints in the world, even less in the videogame industry.
It is such a great console with so many wonderful games, it would be a crime not to love it. The people saying otherwise don't understand videogames very well or else have almost never played a N64 and are just shittalking.
>>2897412 May as well be, you're going to get sperged out at more than for liking any other system. It's amazing that in /vr/ of all places you'll be told "it's just nostalgia, this consoles actually really bad."
To be fair only Mario Party 1-3, Wave Race, the Goemon games, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Banjo Kazooie & Banjo Tooie, the Chameleon Twist games, Mace the Dark Age, Resident Evil 2, Star Fox 64, OOT, Majora's Mask, Body Harvest, Super Mario 64, Snowboard Kids 1 & 2, F-Zero X, Super Smash Bros, Mischief Makers, Turok 1-3, Paper Mario, Gauntlet Legends, Ogre Battle, Bomberman Hero, Bomberman 64 1 & 2, Megaman 64, Donkey Kong 64, Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2, Pokemon Snap and Pokemon Puzzle League, Mario Kart 64 and Diddy Kong Racing are the only games worthwhile on the system and not all of them are for everyone. There's a few good jap-only games too. I guess there was a couple enjoyable FPS games too like Hexen/Doom/Quake ports, Armorines and Rainbow Six but I wouldn't recommend them personally, despite enjoying them.
I just want to say this though: if you enjoy the N64 it's really not that surprising. I grew up with a PSX in my bedroom and my brother had an N64 in his. As far a multiplayer experience went the N64 was superior, you have 4 controllers without fussing around with a multitap and a lot of games that make good use of those controllers.
Also the PSX seemed to have considerably less in the way of "3D" actually going on. It was always some 3D and some sprites, or isometry or something. Not that that was a bad thing as far as stability went, but in terms of 3D adventures or FPS the N64 was the champ there too. I can't think of anything that rivals Star Fox, Banjo or OOT level gameplay on the PSX.
I think if Nintendo had not pushed away franchises that'd been in the Nintendo boat earlier on (like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy and Street Fighter) we would have an incredibly different retrospective on the console over a handful of games.
Personally I've always loved the N64. With games like Kirby, Yoshi and even GoldenEye and I feel like it was a much more fun, accessible console that wasn't so alienating towards the female playerbase. xD
N64 was the shit, but I was in elementary school during the fifth gen so I can't really speak objectively. I honestly don't know if I would have preferred N64 or PS1 had I been in high school at the time. N64-era Nintendo really helped shape my taste in gaming.
Deny it all you want, but N64 had smash, which was a huge gateway for many people into nintendo
You got smash because you saw MArio on the cover, or link, or pikachu, or samus if you were one of those cool kids.
Everyone else you didnt know? You learned about from smash. Ness? Who the hell even knew ness at the time? Nobody bought EB and it sold like shit. Yet smash helped sell his name. Same for melee and the fire emblem people. People didnt know or care about fire emblem, but they knew the names MArth and Roy.
Nintendo doesn't only make games for the western public, Ness was well known in Japan, same as Fire Emblem. Also the logic behind Ness being on Smash, other than it's a Nintendo protagonist, is that he is technically a HAL Labs character, it isn't too weird to see why he was included.
>>2899521 TTYD has better locales and story pacing. The original is good yes, but its locations are pretty mediocre and the adventure is jsut to straight forward.
>Mario go collect these cards and save peach >K
>Mario Peach is missing, use this map, go slay a fucking dragon, settle a dispute war between races, because wrestling champion extraordinaire, save the village from the evil curse, Sail to the seven seas and befriend the dread pirate captain, Solve a murder mystery aboard a 3 day express to ritzville, launch yourself out of a cannon at the goddamn moon, beat the shit out of alien invaders, and stop them from reawakening a 1000 year old demon witch queen.
Call to adventure is so much stronger, And really? Slog? You're calling tTTYD a slog when Jr. Koopa exists in the original?
Get your nostalgia bias out of here. I love 1 dearly, but even I can admit 2 improves everything in the best way possible.
>>2899539 >Mario, Peach is missing. Fight ninja turtles in a castle, find a buried temple in the middle of a desert, travel to a haunted house and fight a ghost eating monster by destroying his heart, go inside a world of toys, trek through a jungle to find a way into a volcano, enter a giant garden where a cloud monster controls the weather, solve a murder mystery in a snowy village, and go to a palace of illusions, walk along a path of stars, take a spaceship to a giant floating castle, and find a way to defeat your now invincible greatest enemy.
Maybe you should describe the first game in more detail.
>>2899497 The underpowered cheap hardware hurt the Wii more than its poor motion controls could make up for. Prior to the motion upgrade late in its lifetime developers couldn't reliably detect much besides the famous waggle, and the imprecise pointer functionality which is completely dependent on constant IR feedback to pinpoint its onscreen location is susceptible to near complete interference just from sunlight.
I'm not saying the Wii U's tablet brought much radically new to the table in comparison, but on the other hand it already has a better library of high quality video games, which in the end matters a whole lot more for me than gimmick utilization.
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