Male nipples were not offensive at all during the 80s. Male nipples were commonly seen in Disney movies, even, and many other cartoons. It is not not considered offensive for a male to bare his chest now and it wasn't offensive at all in the 80s.
>>2884028 Eh? I'm not entirely sure what you're saying (you phrased it weird as hell), but it looks like you're saying that it's sexist that male nipples aren't considered sexual and thus men are free to go topless all they want.
I agree, women should be allowed to go topless without anyone making a big deal over it, just like men can. It is sexist, and I'm honestly pleasantly surprised to find someone on 4chan who agrees. That is what you were saying, right?
Male nipples are definitely sexualized among gay men. Seeing a shirtless guy is probably just as much of a turn-on as seeing a shirtless woman. Seeing it in an NES game? Probably not so much. Which makes me wonder why Konami even bothered to censor things like topless statues in Castlevania. How could something that low-detail possibly be eroticized by anyone?
Pretty sure a vast majority of us men can control our "rape impulses." I'm not straight, but by your logic, I should have an irresistible urge to rape every guy who undresses or showers next to me in the locker room.
It's like you don't even remember the whole "moot lied, people died." thing.
>Pretty sure a vast majority of us men can control our "rape impulses." I'm not straight, but by your logic, I should have an irresistible urge to rape every guy who undresses or showers next to me in the locker room.
People greatly oversimplify so very many things about human sexuality. The so-called "male rape impulse" is merely a misidentification of one _single_ strategy for male reproduction, hideously distorted and overemphasized so that now suddenly it's the default MO for all males.
Hint: if a male can find a reasonably attractive female to mate with willingly then 9 times out of 10 he will go the path of least resistance (that remaining 1 out of 10 usually has psychological issues). It's hard work physically hunting down unwillingly partners and raping them into submission. Not very efficient, from an energy-consumption or conception-promoting point of view. Not to mention it's being selected against more aggressively all the while as time goes on.
Sure is. Before the advent of contraceptives pregnancy through rape definitely happened. Now, getting the mother to care for the offspring is another matter entirely. Which is why it's not a primary reproduction strategy. And soon enough it won't be a strategy at all, because contraceptives can be easily employed to cancel out any benefit the ploy has.
>>2890680 as you said yourself, it's about sexual power. Any reproduction is a "pleasant" side effect, for questionable values of "pleasant". It's not the goal, and as you said yourself, it's rarely viable.
>>2890694 just say it's to fight terrorism and protect children. If anybody calls you out on that, expose them as being in bed with the terrorists and careless about our children. The media will take care of the rest
No, the sexual pleasure is the side-effect. Sex itself only feels good in the first place to "bait" your higher brain into screwing anything that moves. If it didn't feel goddamnb amazing, you wouldn't fuck, and thus would die out. And I said rape isn't viable _now_. Reliable contraceptives didn't exist even a century ago.
>>2890707 if reproduction was a goal, the rapist would be interested in the state of the child, or mother. It's secondary. While sexual pleasure has its evolutionary origins in reproduction, it's just means, and more often than not the reproductive aspect actually gets in the way (see contraceptives for sex as pleasurable act without reproduction)
>if reproduction was a goal, the rapist would be interested in the state of the child, or mother.
False. There are many animals in nature that simply fuck and then the male buggers off to go fuck some more, leaving the female and any potential offspring to land where they may. Why do you assume that some humans wouldn't adopt this strategy as well? We're certainly clever enough to think of it.
>(see contraceptives for sex as pleasurable act without reproduction)
That is one of many examples of humans "hijacking the system" as it were. See: masturbation, vaccines, shaving, marriage, allergy medication, makeup, and so on.
>>2889994 >the only reason female tits are still illegal in most places
The courts have ruled that nudity is only illegal if it counts as indecent exposure, which means nudity designed to offend/titillate people. Unfortunately what counts as "indecent exposure" is extremely vague and open to interpretation.
>>2891019 You do know that that's connected to a heightened risk of prostate cancer. In fact vasectomies, which an entire generation of men in the 80s-90s were hoodwinked into getting, have been found to cause it because the body can't properly dispose of accumulated sperm so it gets reabsorbed into the body and then results in you getting cancer.
Frequent masturbation reduces the risk of prostate cancer because it keeps your system flushed out.
>>2891000 eh... that doesn't actually work. it seems to, but from what I have read, it doesn't happen in all waomen, and doesn't really contribute much to actual rates of conception. also, plenty of women get pregnant without having an orgasm, at all, much less having orgasm AFTER the man has. And, if you think about it, how many guys are going to bust a nut, and then go back and make sure his partner gets hers, too?
personally, I think the female orgasm is an adaptation of the male orgasm (since men and women are nearly identical) that took on its own development because of social factors. It is serves the same purpose as Love: it facilitates bonding and is a reward system for reproduction. also, the guy who is good to the ladies will get more ladies.
Pretty much. Early in human history we were actually pretty sad sacks of shit as apes went. So, one of the solutions to that was to LITERALLY FUCK EVERYTHING (extremely high sex drive, I mean). As humans began acquiring more and more formidable adaptations and moving up the food-chain however, that high sex drive can become a detriment. Hence masturbation. Because it's kinda hard to cooperate in a group setting when you feel like fucking your way to China and back while beating the living shit out of everything with both a penis and pubic hair.
It is still, technically, a "cheat" though. Your body would rather simply relieve sexual tension by fucking loud and long and often, wrecking any other male that stops you and generally being a badass provider for the females.
>>2883964 gotta love how "Kali" often gets mistranslated as "Curly" in those games, I'm pretty sure one of the Castlevanias did it too. Or maybe it's intentional, to not use actual name of the goddess in the games?
>>2890707 think about that for a little bit longer. If a rapist wanted to have kids, wouldn't it be a better strategy to marry a woman and fuck her every night? or even trick several women into thinking they had exclusive relationships with him, and fucking them regularly? Why jump a random woman, rape her, and then have no idea whether she kept the kid, or even got pregnant? And, seriously, when have you EVER heard a rapist say that he wanted to be a father?
Its not even about sexual pleasure, because (shock! Horror!) women get horny, too. there are tons of willing women, if you are willing to put in the effort. and money can always open doors and open legs.
It is all about one person forcing their will on another. It's about getting what you want, specifically because the other person doesn't want it. That's why soldiers rape civilians; it's why prisoners rape each other; it's why creepers spike womens' drinks; it's why molesters rape children. It's even why molesters will continue to rape children, after they have been chemically castrated. Because, it is wrong, and they get off doing the wrong thing.
>>2894132 Yes, that's the one, thanks for reminding me the title, anon. I remember some ridiculous shit from it, like some demons from Dante's Inferno, like Scarmiglione or Rubicante ending up as Skull Millione and Lubicant (at least it's not Lubricant). Also some of the descriptions of weapons and souls in equipment menu made no sense when compared to game usage. One would think that era of sending raw text dumps from the original game to translators without giving them any context and then adding that kind of translations to games without double checking should have ended decades ago.
>>2894159 On top of the countless translation errors, they also decided to alter the story a bit for no real reason. Changing Souma Kurusu to Soma Cruz, and making him a foreign exchange student instead of a guy who was born and raised in Japan.
>>2894158 If it's for American release of the game, it might be about clause that discourages including any direct references to existing religions, like that shit with replacing crucifixes with boomerangs in one of Castlevania titles. If the names of the gods or items are related to dead pagan religions, like those of ancient Egyptians, Greeks or Babylonians, they are okay, but when they refer to religions that are still alive (like Hinduism, which is pretty much last polyteistic religion practicioned to this day, not counting Shinto for obvious reasons), they have to be censored in one way or another.
>>2894452 Europe laughs at America for silly censorship of anything that vaguely reminds religious references. Meanwhile, America laughs at Europe for silly censorship on anything that vaguely reminds about gambling (like game corners being permanently cut from newer Pokemon generation releases). I guess every place has own ridiculous set of rules to follow and developers, both back in old days and now, have to consider them in process of game development.
>>2879173 I feel like we all took a wrong turn somewhere. Back then, all kinds of "adult" themes were equally disallowed, let it be ero, drugs, cussing or overly exposed violence. Today, rules regarding violence or swearing in video games are really lax (worst case scenario, games end with 16+ ratings), but still sex is such a taboo that even as much as exposing a nipple might lead to worldwide 18+ rating (and for some reason, parents are okay with their underage kids buying 16+ and 17+ games while access to 18+ causes an instant riot, like there is actual difference in maturity of 16 and 18 year olds). Remember Hot Coffee case with GTA? Game about stealing cars, beating up and killing is totally okay, but being allowed to have a sex with girl you date, oh, that's some strict adult material! Something is truly wrong with our civilization if violence and war that is designed to cause pain and brings death is not a big deal when it comes to showing it to minors, but sex that is designed to cause pleasure and possibly brings life is shunned like a worst thing in the world.
>>2894502 It always seemed to me that American culture had less taboos on violence than sex because we were founded by the relatively uptight, conservative English while violence was not seen as a big deal due to people having to settle an untamed wilderness with dangerous animals and natives.
>>2894468 It doesn't make sense because generally speaking, the US is perceived as a culture that's more strongly, openly religious than Europe yet we have to remove any religious references from games.
>>2894519 maybe it makes sense if you understand the US culture is perceived as more strongly openly christian, or evangelical. Especially the more hardcore christians in the US are considered total nutcases elsewhere. So it makes sense such people would not tolerate a) imagery of other religions and b) using "their" religious imagery "in vain", whatever that means
>>2894512 What you say sounds quite reasonable for American standards, but it's also true that sex taboo is pretty much enforced worldwide. Here in Europe, parents are completely oblivious to their 7 - 8 year old kids spending hours each day on killing each other in one of those generic FPS games, but if there is a nipple in any game, that's material good enough to start raising medial hysteria.
>>2894536 seconded. Germany's quite a bit more reasonable about sexuality too. Meanwhile, Germany's seriously unhinged about violence. One could of course argue that's a good thing, violence being bad and stuff, but the side effects on games and movies are pretty craptastic. Then again, I kind of like how neatly it exposes many games as extremely violence oriented. Nothing against alternative realities and no consequences and stuff, but if all we do in alternative realities is become insane psychos, something's wrong.
>>2894560 Well, actually it is. Germans are terrified of showing violence in the media because they believe they're a barely-controlled nation of potential genocide machines who have to be kept from getting any kind of bad thoughts.
>>2894572 You don't sound like you thought much about the underlying motivations and reasons. I'd suggest you look into it a bit further, before you draw such conclusions. Culture is not a trivial thing, and with your statement you projected a lot of your own on someone else, and it does not make you look good.
>>2894550 Germany had it super hard when it comes to violence censorship, hadn't it? Protecting minors from looking at or playing extra gory games is one thing, but completely banning games altogether even from adult audience is a bit too much. This is how we ended with ridiculous old Carmageddon versions that had zombies or robots or even dinosaurs instead of pedestrians.
>>2894597 Blame /pol/ unable to stay on their containment board and spreading ebin holocaust deny meme again.
>>2894629 >completely banning games altogether even from adult audience is a bit too much It's not that simple. Germany does not ban games, unless they're downright illegal, like showing prohibited symbols. Of course it's worth argueing if that swastika should be prohibited. Anyway, what Germany did is make adult games extremely restrictive. So called "youth endangering media" ended up on the index. Material on the index (games, books, music) CAN be sold to adults, and is legal to own. However, and that's the tricky bit: it's prohibited to advertise these games. Having the game on the shelf, is advertising. Passing the game to a paying adult customer, where others can see it, is advertising. From a purely technical level, as an adult you were allowed to go to the store, ask for the game, and after your ID checks out, the clerk might sell you the game in neutral packaging. Of course in reality such restrictions are a de facto ban, no doubt about that. Carmageddon, since you brought up the example, was censored by the developer and/or publisher, to stay off the index. I think I would have prefered if they had the balls to accept the index, and lobby towards making these games better available to adults. As it is though, Germany gets blamed for a lot of censorship they did not demand, or do.
>>2894659 If they aren't likely to flee, and are no danger to society, they stay free until the court date. Otherwise they end up in Untersuchungshaft (investigation arrest, loosely put), which means they go to a part of prison, awaiting their trial. The time spent there counts towards a potential prison sentence, and there are restrictions on duration and conditions for that.
>>2895162 Different motivation. It's not so much about holocaust guilt. The reasoning is that the Swastika, in the way the Nazi used it, is closely associated with their ideology and goals, for better or worse. As such, it provides a handy "shorthand" to find likeminded people, meaning, it eases the organisation of these people. Germany has the concept of Verfassungsfeindlichkeit (literally hostility towards the constitution), which refers to people and organisations actively working against the freedom and lawful order as declared in the constitution. The aforementions groups and people that identify with the swastika are considered hostile towards the constitution, because they oppose democratic/republic structures are discriminate people based on various traits put down as indiscriminable, not unline the US constitution/amendments. So, tl;dr: it's not about guilt, it's about making it harder for the bad folks to organize and cause trouble.
This mindset openly collides with the freedom of speech as written down in the US constitution, but the folks that wrote it are fine with that, because they saw in pre-WW2 germany how subversive and dangerous these entities can be. It doesn't take bad people to lead to this mess, just people. A bit extreme, but if you look at some of the current US presidential candidates, the US are kind of dealing with the issue in a modern form. Openly aggresive rallying ways, and people lap it up, because it's so appealing in its simplicity. Freedom is hard, yo.
>>2895174 >A bit extreme, but if you look at some of the current US presidential candidates, the US are kind of dealing with the issue in a modern form. Openly aggressive rallying ways, and people lap it up, because it's so appealing in its simplicity.
I'm well aware of Obama and Hillary's love of stirring up race hate and class warfare.
>>2895162 >>2895174 And to bring this wall of text back to gaming: part of the limitations on the swastika are that it's allowed to show it in a documentary or educational context. Unfortunately, killing Nazis by the dozen is not considered educational, and neither is deep strategy in Panzer General. I think it's a missed opportunity, to ease up on the paranoia, and introduce people playfully to a fairly difficult subject. Maybe Germany will change in time, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>2895180 I think it would take a while. Germans are super anti-fascist and anti-nazi. There are some issues in the country with people not really being able to have critical discussions about WW2 because there's so much resentment and guilt.
>>2895156 Huh, that's some really interesting info you brought, thanks for the clarification. I was aware about the fact that Carmageddon was censored by devs themselves, but I thought it was just for N64 release (and releasing such a game on family friendly console, even with dinosaurs instead of people, was really bizarre move anyway). I've heard that Australia had/has it really bad when it comes to violence censorship, too. Any Aussie around to share experiences?
>>2895801 Mike Tyson and Bill Cosby are two different people. That bitch had been convicted of filing a false report (of rape) just the year before she accused Tyson and the judge disallowed the testimony of his three witnesses who were there when this supposed "rape" happened and turned it into a he-said-she-said situation.
Also the Communist Party of Germany is banned, a rudiment left over from the Cold War even though there's many other commie-flavored organizations including Die Linke which is the descendant of the DDR's ruling body.
>>2896080 >>2896086 Actually the topless screen was an Easter egg of sorts in the Famicom version. Normally you'd get the same clothed girl as the US release, but the game would give you a prompt saying "Press B and have kids look away from the screen" that showed the girl topless.
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