Anyone remember playing this BYOND fangame of Final Fantasy 4/2 as a multiplayer rpg on here?
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/1706789 An old thread for a refresher and a screenshot as a reminder.
It got taken down last time for copyright claims by square enix, despite it not being hosted officially, try to do the host a favor and not spill spaghetti everywhere.
LOOOOOL nice try
That's the address you put in the BYOND client.
Are you retarded.
I said it before, I'll say it again. Are there more than 10 people playing this or not? I've played every previous iteration of this game on and off for some time and it really doesn't work without a decent population, so you can always get a party together.
Well back when I first started playing with 4chan we essentially made up 60% of the server, but that was with /v/ like 6 years ago, I'm not sure we even have that kind of viewership on /vr/ to be frank.
Should the playerbase maintain a peak of around 40-50 I'd join, and probably make daily threads like I used to. Until then, goodluck. I hope it pans out.
Have some sexy leg for the effort.
It's not as gratuitous as it used to be. There's lot of new classes and whatnot though.
I was leveling a samurai with some people just now, and there's some post-content once you do the main game's dungeons.
I can't promise the glory days though, BYOND lost the majority of the JRPG fangame community when Squeenix hammered down.
I actually made a thread about this game like a month and a half back. I might try to play during Christmas break from uni. Glad you reminded me of this game, OP. I hope more people show up.
I played it and loved it. /vr/ had its own chat that made forming parties easy. I've been trying it ever now and then and it just wouldn't work. It's worked a couple times, but nobody else was there so there wasn't really a point.
If we can rebuild a community here again, that'd be wonderful!
Good times. Teaming up against Gilgamesh for custom sprites and finding what moves won't make him wipe the party, grinding cactuars (and that one lucky guy that got the cactus jack drop), and all around easygoing rpg action.
I don't remember names of who I played with, but we had a 2hu bucket loli, Waluigi, and pic related.
Also to clarify. I don't think it was Squeenix that shut them down, it was an internal issue and some drama that caused the shutdown. This is the exact same server from a year ago so if you unlocked stuff from then, you should have it now.
Let's see if I can remember this correctly.
Originally the game was called Final Fantasy Legacy and that game was sent a C&D from Squeenix, forcing it to shut down sometime in... 2009 or 2010. Somewhere around there.
Final Fantasy Remnants arrived somewhere around 2014 and was very popular with /vr/. I would say better than half of the playerbase had some ties to /vr/ and for better or worse introduced some of the other playerbase to /vr/. While the majority of the gameworld was relatively peaceful, there was some drama that occurred, as is bound to happen in any community-based game such as this.
Long story short, a certain player was being kind of a douche, got butthurt when people retaliated against him, and decided to threaten the game owner with bringing the game to the attention of Squeenix. Having already faced one C&D, the owner was reasonably afraid of the threat and sent the game underground, killing off a vast majority of the playerbase.
Now the game has returned, so the likely assumption is that a certain troublesome player has moved on and that the game is safe from the litigious grasp of Square Enix.
It could use that boost of players.
This is a fun game to ditz around on.
My main character is Avis. He's a 99 Paladin with a custom sprite meant to look like the Warrior of Light. I'm trying to eventually get him into a shrine party to hunt down some gear upgrades.
Slight correction, the player that was kicking up a fuss was a "dev" for lack of a better word, he wanted to take al the game assets and make his own fork so-to-speak and the then owner Andrew wasn't having it and told the community.
Community then ripped the piss out of that guys trailer and called him a loser, etc and he went nuclear and actually reported FFL. As far as I'm aware they never received a C&D formally but they made it private when ownership changed hands just to be safe.
I gave this a couple hours of play and i have to say its pretty interesting. Very fun to do while playing something else on emulator. First you have to wait for someone to log in at your level then just walk up to them and hit the talk button while facing them. This will ask them to invite you.
Whoever is party leader gets to move the party in a line while progressing to the next boss. They made the game linear but the leveling, getting new skills and equipment to make the turn based combat better is enjoyable.
A few additional notes from a long time player. You can influence your stat growth by equipping certain accessories while levelling and they work like EV's in Pokemon. You can force yourself to get +however much strength at max level which is quite cool.
Furthermore there are side bosses scattered throughout the game, one of which allows you to unlock a new job (for new game+), another one lets you change your sprite entirely and upload a custom one.
There are other hidden things, jus for fun that have nothing to do with 4 but it was very fun unravelling all of them with friends.
>You can influence your stat growth by equipping certain accessories
See, now last time I played it was changed to a Byond menu option to select your boosted stat growth instead of the items. Was that reverted back?
Oh no, very likely my info is just outdated. I only briefly played the last incarnation due to lack of players.
I remember you buying the accessories from Fabul castle and you being able to check your stat growth by talking to the old man in a cave to the north. He would also tell you how many battles you've run from and pinktails you've found.
To be frank if they made it into its own menu that'd be cooler, so long as they don't scrap the system.
The last time the game went down was because of some manlet dipshit cosplaying Sabin. The game got a C&D from Square and had to move locations. Here's a question - is there even an active staff or development team there? When I played there were usually staff members that could answer questions
These are separate instances completely. This game has an issue with inviting entitled buttblasted babies, for some reason. If it's not one person bitching because they didn't get their way, it's another. The sperglord from last time was actively posting threads on /vr/ about his victory in taking down the game. He used a Yoshi sprite
hahaand a Sabin sprite and was a massively irritating douche.
The only post I've genuinely considered reporting in this thread is yours. Everyone else has been rather polite and on-topic.
Relax and have a robot.
This thread very much is viral by the creator of the game but i gave it a try and i would love if a handful of people started from scratch like me. Then we can have some parties progressing through the game.
I want to play it but since it's privately listed there are barely going to be any new players, that means even if 5 of us decide to start right now eventually somebody is going to play when others are offline and then the rest play catch-up.
It needs to be publicly listed to even hope to stand a chance, or have the link passed round a hell of a lot more.
I miss playing this with you guys like mad in 2014
Young Caller is by far the best, it was a little sad unlocking the other classes because they were all worse.
You have high MP, access to decent white magic, including teleport, you get the summon Sylph which not only does AoE damage but drains and heals your entire party, usually with amazing efficiency. You get black magic up to an ok point, the best combo being Stop+twister which is great for clearing out dragons.
In essence you're the best healer, who can also kill things in 1 or 2 hits in a crunch. A few fun alternate classes to play:
Dragoon - We made an all dragoon party years ago and by co-ordinating our jumps and item usage we beat every boss and extra boss.
Mechanic - At pretty much every stage in the game your bombs are stronger than equivalent black magic and cost no MP.
Blue mage - Healing the parties MP is really the best part of this job, but you also have a great stat spread which was nice for PvP for those who cared.
I think I finished Archi with every job, back when we played. I'm not certain if they've made new classes by now though. The most fun was when we did single job challenges though, all Bard was hilarious.
You download the Byond client from their website, and then once you launch it there should be a place under the games tab where you can type in: byond://remnants.redirectme.net:777
The game isn't publicly listed, so you just have to add in that link, only once though, once it's in there it gets added to a list.
Well got it installed and played a bit. 7-8 other people were on, one was lvl 94 and the rest were lvl 99. If any more newish people start playing or if anyone starts new chars I'd be down to give this a shot.
Usually staff members were willing to divulge information on good stat-building based on how they had developed the classes... So, yeah. There was one staff dude that would randomly get bored and join parties and just wreck everything but I don't remember who it was, he was usually the one giving that information out.
You can solo the whole game based on your class, youll need to grind a bit though.
At certain times of the day there is a good bit of people on, just talk in w-say till people start appearing then ask who wants to party.
To see who is online click the social tab and click Player Details.
I remember playing this last year as a dragoon with ye guys. Good craic and everyone in vr chat was sound out, ended up dropping out since I wouldnt be able to get on that often. But I would give it another go again if you need someone else on.
Oh wow, it really has been a year since the last thread on /vr/ about this. I can't believe how fast time flies.
How many people are usually playing? I'm only on at odd hours now due to work.
it's not a class you saw very often because I think the unlock required defeating one of the superbosses. The class basically had Orlandu's moveset from FFT though and I swear I saw General Leo's Shock too
/vg/ here coming from /ffg/, this sounds interesting.
I think if I brought this to /ffg/'s attention some of them might at least be interested, if that's fine, or should I leave it alone? I swear we're not the ERPing faggots from /xivg/, some of us rediscovered XI because of free login campaigns and have been playing semi-seriously since then.
It's an issue with the BYOND cache, it's a piece of shit. It always has been. Not much can be done unless it's reprogrammed from the ground up, and since BYOND's admins are idiots, it'll probably never get fixed. They should bring on developers from popular games...
Idiots is beyond an understatement. They pulled a RP game from the hub because of an accusation that someone was grooming kids, an accusation from a legitimate pedo who goes by the key GyroGun. They also allow doxxing, ddosing, spamming, and all kinds of other bullshit and refuse to listen to any form of criticism.
The admins need an old-fashioned lynch mob at their doors.
So... Were you even going to try my suggestion, or just flat-out reject it? I practically spoonfed you a solution here and if you can't even figure that out then I definitely wouldn't want you shitting up the game.
So for those of you who haven't noticed yet, /ffg/ in /vg/ appears to have fallen in love with this game. The number of players have been slowly rising so now might be a good time to get into this.
Maybe someday, work will stop being flat-out ridiculous and allow me to come back to the game. Maybe I would be able to talk to everyone again, too. I don't get to talk to HK anymore, really. I can't promise anything, but we'll see what the future holds - the best part of the game is seeing what players do with what you've designed.
Played this before.
It got very boring, very quickly, because all you did was follow the path of FFIV with absolutely no plot what-so-ever, then stop in the desert and grind on Cactaurs for days, then head to the moon and kill Zeromus.
Basically, worse than Korean MMOs
yeah the game tends to end up more about community and camaraderie. there's less to min/max but everyone likes to find their favorite class and get all the best stuff. the equip list has some pretty nice looking gear. the last time the game had a bunch of players, updates came pretty quick
It's one of the make your own fun kind of games, years ago I used to host hide-and-seek, trivia quizzes and PvP tournaments. The prizes I offered were pretty good as well.
You definitely need to talk to people or the experience will be ass.
red mage. you get some white/black spells for pinpointing weaknesses and patching yourself up, and you get access to magic blade at level 35. runic can also save your ass. their gear options are also very, very good. by the end of the game you'll be having more trouble killing stuff unless you build yourself to specialize in damage, but whatever you try to specialize toward has gear for you to help you more.
I remember making a custom sprite that had my cool character in a magitek machine. Custom animations for everything, even melee attacks and ranged attacks. I also had fully working sky armor.
I was a big junkie on that kind of scene, but that was long before, and times have sadly changed.
Talk to the guy who resets your stats north of Damcyan. I don't know how many kills you're supposed to have but I know that he's the one that gives it to you.
Only classes I don't know how to unlock are Fiend and Hero.
To return the favor, Fiend is unlocked by beating the 4 fiends +
Golbezredux and I think Hero is unlocked by beating Archimus.
I tried the 4 fiends redux fight but Golbez kicked our shit around quite a few times. I don't even know what he's weak against.
in general, the loot goes to the person that defeated the monster that dropped it. If loot is...
Greyed out - you didn't get the item, someone else in the party did
White - you got the item
Yellow - this only occurs when someone who obtained the item passes it, which gives the whole party the opportunity to take it. only one person can get it though. If an item is yellow you can take it by hitting confirm twice. if you want to pass, you hit confirm, arrow over to pass, and hit confirm again
He was a douche, and that's why the community condemned him. He was also my friend and showed me screen shots the day he was banned. He made some type of distasteful joke a dev found offensive and perm muted him. He took it up with the owner who threatened to ban him for questioning the situations permanence. My douche FFR friend then said something like"If you banned me for questioning something out of game in pager, I'd report this game to SE legal. If you banned me for my in game actions, I'd leave in peace." The community of course immediately went full butt hurt over the words Square Enix and completely ignored the context of the threat being reasonable because douche Yoshi was usually unreasonable. It's easy to forget that he was a douche in the chat, but still spent 50+ hours helping players beat bosses they couldn't and unlock things they couldn't and never wanted anything in return from me or the others he helped. As far as I an see, the game survived the entire time. I played it on and off the past year on the private server. It's pretty obvious douche Yoshi didn't end the world for being unreasonably banned.
Yoshis abort there young for self defense. It was in a joke form. Sven perm muted for it. Dhythos was an autistic guy, like Sheldon Cooper without the geniusness. Tries to tell a joke. Perm muted. Had to go talk to the harshest guy in FFR to appeal. A guy so harsh we called Sven the social side of FFR. Harsh guy was harsh, autistic guy literal on his view of right and wrong. Harsh guy labeled autistic guy the villain and we cheered. Source. Me. Have an autistic nephew that wouldn't have faired better as a player in that situation. Never thought I'd see anyone else agree Yoshi wasn't at fault thst day.
He was a douche in chat, but he shouldn't have been banned or perm muted the way he was. He was muted because of a recent falling out with his former friend Svenkar, who of course muted him forever first chance he got post fall out. Douche Yoshi was accused of lying about something by Szenkar and offered to prove he wasn't lying. Szenkar refused to look at said proof, and douche Yoshi hated him from that day on and Szenkar no longer got along with Yoshi. The joke happened and violated some minor rulke and Szenkar rushed a perm ban knowing he'd have to take it up with HK. Yeah, that ended well.
All I know is when we came to FFR, we believed bosses like Zeromus couldn't be beaten. We got to 99, then bitched about balance and were stuck. We couldn't find most of the bonus classes. Douche Yoshi helped every one of us that asked, and iconed for every one of us that asked. Douche Yoshi refused to take money from me and another guy for icon work. Douche Yoshi helped us get classes, and learn how to beat those bosses while the smaller base of regulars refused to do it. We returned the favor by being pissed off that he was un relatable to chat with, and rallied at HKs word after the mess.
We remember your constant takedown threads, Dhythos. Nobody gives a fuck. You fucked up by trying to take down a game people enjoyed. You openly admitted to making an distasteful abortion joke and somehow you expected not to be punished? Video games with public chat are not /b/.
The fact of the matter is, the game was fucking fantastic until you came along shitting it up. The playercount plummeted because of your incessant bitching, which more than outdoes any good you may have done by saying you spent hours helping players defeat bosses. Which, by the way, multiple parties had more than once complained that you had ditched out of things mid-fight when it looked like you were going to lose. It's retards like you that cause developers of half-decent timewaster games to leave, and it's why we don't receive updates in the game anymore. Fuck you.
You're a silly one, aren't you? Never saw him ditch on anyone. Player count fell because HK had the server go into hiding needlessly. Why don't you cry harder and reach harder still. It seems like you have something to say to Douche Yoshi. You should seek him out and resolve those feelings bro. Reach harder.
Next time you want to address two separate posters as one, don't. You look stupid when you refuse to believe one other person could agree with me or that two players could support the less popular opinion in a game.
You're an easily-rustled one, aren't you? I don't know why you deny samefagging when you made the same typos in both posts. It's not difficult to modify a screenshot, either, and everyone knows that. So, please, for the sake of everyone else in the thread playing the game and enjoying themselves, kindly go away and don't come back, whether you're Dhythos or not, because you are being just as irritating. We are here to have fun with a game we enjoy. If you're able to just shut your mouth and have some fun without starting fires, by all means actually play the game like the rest of us.
Yeah, the battle music appears to be recorded from ingame, and the midi honestly isn't that bad for MIDI, I just felt like listening to Celtic Moon. IV Piano Collections too at some point, I imagine.
It sounds like the real issue wasn't just taken to pager but occurd entirely on it. You're in charge of FFR and can do what you want. Banning him when he threatened the game seems right, but my curiousity is peeked. Is it true that you threatened to ban him for questioning the mute and he responded with the threat to your threat? You can be as wrong as you want, it's your game and a long time ago. Admitting what happened without bias and enforcing your decision indefinitely seems leader like. I'm a fan of transparency but feel free to ignore the post.
People still play now and again, I think that most players are going back to school and work so you won't see as many going all day as you would on the holiday. "Peak hours" give you 20-30 players as far as I've seen, but there always seem to be enough people to form a party with.
It's co-op FF4 with secret classes and bosses. What more could you want? I think the limited amount of players makes it better at times, I played through the Tower of Zot as a White Mage with two SS's, which means we had no tank and elemental damage was MP intensive. But we made it, and it was fun because it was hard.
How about that time a paladin soloed Clan Wars by casting Hold on everyone? Or the time Shu got pissed off in Clan Wars because ancient caller was overpowered, resulting in Andrew removing its white magic?
Shu used to get so pissed off when he'd lose in PvP. He went back to the game a couple years later and mellowed the fuck out, though.
Maybe the time when >implying reached such critical mass that Dolph muted the world chat and started banning people for it? I remember when he banned Gollyzilla and that dude was the guy making the threads on /v/ for the game a few years back.
I also remember there being a sagetrain, with two full parties of sages
Being completely honest I don't recall if I did. Sounds like something I'd do however considering that if the reason for the mute was due to a poor joke about abortions he undoubtedly shouldn't be complaining to me when he was in a clear violation of rules. Whether or not that makes me "wrong" however is up to interpretation, but allow me to produce my pov on this subject how I believe and somewhat remember it going down.
Dhythos made a poor joke about abortions in a public chat. He attempted to reason with the GM that enforced the mute perhaps he didn't mean to cause offense. GM stuck with his guns cause obviously Dhythos is in the wrong here no way around that not to mention Dhythos has had issues in the past. Dhythos gets upset that GM won't listen and tries to talk to me about it at some point. I think it was a normal GM or perhaps it was szen that muted him I'm not sure which is the case but eventually it gets to my attention. I review the case to find that he made an abortion joke in wsay and is complaining that a GM is "unreasonable" in his response. However knowing Dhythos has been irritating the player base and staff and seeing as the joke was in clear violation of rules... He's wasting my time not only my time but the GM's time. I respond with a very abrupt and simple bother me with something like this again and I'll perma ban you (at least this seems to be case and I don't doubt I would say this due to my own irritation with this.) He retaliates with "If you do i'll tell SE!" with a person that can't obviously see that he's wasting peoples time and or thinks he can get away with making broad statements on a whim he deserved to be permanently banned afterwards since he can flare up with "Do it and I'll report your game!" at any moment. It's better for the community he get removed and in case SE would investigate it (unlikely) I moved the server to side on caution.
So you see whether or not I'm "right" is entirely up to interpretation.
As a final thought on this too, I know parts of it was in pager mostly because he was obviously muted. Given the chance I'm sure the conversation would've been in game so whether or not the issue was in pager or in game to me is irrelevant. It only remember that it was a bit both starting in game with a mute and leaking to pager cause he couldn't speak in game.
Found a program that lets you assign keyboard keys to a game pad if using the keyboard is turning anyone off.
Easy to set up, just load it up and press a button on your gamepad to see what the corresponding button is and assign the key you want to it.
The spell list, equip list, skill list, and FAQ will answer many, many questions that you have, actually. They don't have everything, though; the locations for blue magic spells, for example, aren't listed, nor are locations for equipment or methods of unlocking classes (mostly).
Also, the update list sometimes contains some information that's pertinent, make sure to check it out! Just make sure you're reading updates for the correct version of the game, the updates go back pretty far.
haha i remember this
I recommend antimicro for pad to keys, you can probably set analogs to near pure on off also with the sliders, whatever works for you I guess.
still deciding which class to use, for me its between ninja, mage twin, or sage/lunarian depending on magic and stuff. would blue, or dancer for evade tanking but locked class.
Mid-late teens level Paladin. Antlion pushed my shit in. Gonna need a party. Should I just loiter around Baron and wait for someone to show up? Is hanging around Mist, Kaipo, or Damcyan better? I don't see many people around Damcyan. Also, someone posted a link in-game yesterday to a test server version of the game. Felt a bit more polished. Should I just abandon Remnants for that one?
For Devout, gain all 20 stat points by killing 2000 enemies total (party's kills count) then talk to the old man in the cave north of Damcyan
Hero and Elemental require that you beat secret bosses in the Shrine on Mt. Ordeals, I think.
HK is the coder for FFR and FF4 is his own project he has built from the ground-up. It's not yet complete and isn't up all the time, he just opens it up to players for testing purposes every now and then.
If you really want to impress the masses, try hosting Another World once a week. Even if the 3.0 version didn't pan out, 2.0 would blow away a lot of people that never got to experience it. You'd win fans simply by allowing access to more of your work.
Depends on what you find to be fun. Samurai's weapons are deceptively strong because their power is doubled when not using a shield, and they output a lot of damage. They are very good for grinding Cactuars. If you want to play a more fun support class, Bard is quite good, and it gets access to some buffs that white mage doesn't. Paladin is a very good class too, they have high defense and offense and they have access to some buffs, but they don't really have multitarget.
My advice is to try Dark Knight, though. Hardly anyone plays it, which is a shame because it's a fucking powerhouse. Darkwave wipes random encounters at the cost of HP. When you level more, you can use Last Resort in a boss fight, and any white mage worth their salt will cast Bravery on you by hitting you with a power staff. You will end the boss fight before you die from the countdown effect. When you get Final Thrust, you can darkwave to kill yourself in battle in a party, and when you revive with 1 HP, you'll get into the next battle and one-shot moon mobs with ease by thrusting them with near-perfect accuracy.
If you were asking me when you replied to me, you should know guy above me is not me. Samurai is alright and great for end game bosses if geared. It won't just be available to you till part of a play thru.
Now that we're talking about classes you can actually pick, Dark Knight, Monk, Engineer. Dark Knight is good for clearing battles and traveling solo easily. His end game falls off the closer you get to it compared to all the major alternatives for doing more damage without the risk. Monk can clear the weaker battles and eventually becomes a monster. Engineer has a useful mix of skills and tools that keeps him relevant.
Logs in, doesn't speak to the 8 players. Doesn't attempt to get any of them to roll a new character. Takes the time to come to the forum to publicly express that he won't be participating. Fucks still aren't given. What a surprise, a closed mouth wasn't fed.
Plus you have to fit in a level range to join a party. Though I think admins can break that level range and force their way into your party, which can be very helpful if they're bored.
I was playing it before and then it wasn't responding so I forced closed it. Now everytime I try to connect, it has an instant, "Connection Failed" but I can play other games. Please help me.
So is anyone playing this?
Didn't play this thing when it came out but sounds fun, how are black mages here? Wanna be a wizard. I don't mind healing and all that but i don't wanna be 100% support.
How's red mage or
blue-can't get monsters to hit me with their abilities-mage? Usually hybrids end up sucking dick but honestly i wouldn't mind going full on dark magic to kill shit and some white magic to heal\support my buddies when needed.
Different guy here. I have no experience with current Red Mage right now, but Blue Mage is just amazing as a support piece. Having access to Haste, Protect, Shell, Faith and Bravery after getting all the abilities gives them a great toolbox. As you level, you'll get plenty of use from your damage dealing ones, but they just don't seem to scale so well late game. Magic Hammer is a pretty good MP drainer. White Wind is, as expected, a worse heal the more it's needed, but still handy to have.
Overall, I've always liked having a Blue Mage in the party.
Blue has excellent utility. Fantastic buffs, decent damage output (10000 guaranteed, defense be damned), and they take low damage when geared for evasion. Red has an interesting stat block that lets you build it into a white or black mage, with the proper gear. Or you can build for spellblade and do a lot of single-target damage. Like blue, they are best when geared for evade, and they have access to a huge range of gear, more than any other class.
If you manage to get any of the overpowered gear (Galantine, Hero Shield) from the superbosses, it will definitely help your build significantly.
I don't remember much about blue mages from original games, honestly. Is it hard as fuck to learn his skills? I remember that you need to get hit by an enemy skill to learn it. Is there some way to taunt them into using their skills on you? With 4 or 5 people chances aren't high you'll get hit by a learnable skill, unless it's an All-Enemies one.
I'll give them both a try once game's up again, love being a utility guy, long as it's not a huge pain in the ass to get said utility under your tool belt.
A BM doesn't need to get hit by a skill to learn it, only witness the enemy do it.
Some of the skills like Ultima, Dragon Force, Lunar Force and Black Hole are end-game stuff. Last time I checked, White Wind was exclusive to Asura.
it's not that hard. you only have to see the enemy use it, and then you'll get it. you don't have to be hit by it. sometimes you'll wait around for a while before an enemy uses a spell though, and most parties are full of assholes that hate waiting for blue mages to learn something. but you can refight bosses by fighting with someone that hasn't yet killed the boss (as long as you're within 20 levels of their level/party average level), and get another opportunity to learn something if you've missed it.
No community can thrive and be fun if the people with administrative powers are shit heads, and you guys are shit heads. That's really all there is to it.
Let me ask you this: Is there an "ignore" function built into the chat engine? Yes? Then muting someone for anything other than advertising or flooding (ACTUAL flooding, not "he's really talkative and I don't like what he says") is completely indefensible. Now add to that the fact that the "offending" statement was a "distasteful" joke about the reproductive habits of fictional creatures, and it's pretty clear that you and the GM were having a nice little power trip over someone you resented for questioning your completely asinine decisions. (But by all means explain to me how a joke about Yoshis constitutes either "spamming" or "harassment".)
>I'm not perfect by any means but I respect people more when they can own up to their mistakes and above all not let it get to them.
Is that an ironic way of saying you have no self respect? You are slime, dissembling about rules and nonexistent "harassment" when all you're doing is banning people who dare question your pompous and self-serving authority. What really irks me is that you appeal to 4chan for your user base when the only philosophy congruent with your actions demands trigger warnings and "safe spaces" from distasteful jokes. SE is the type of big, fan supported company that has to pay homage to that shit; something advertised on /vr/ shouldn't. So maybe it is time that SE heard about your endeavor so they can more efficiently manage this safe space free of abortion jokes. I think it's time their lawyers got an email with all the appropriate links and info.
Give it a rest, Sheldon.
Several posters have been accused of being Dhythos, however; only this poster has written in a similar fashion. It didn't take long for >>2908841 to make the accusation either.
What I'm getting from this thread is that logical and smart is bad. Anyone ready for the real shit kicker? Dhythos wasn't banned for questioning the mute. He was banned because HK agreed the mute was unfair, however; refused to remove it because it is his and Szenkars game and he refused to oppose his co owners decision. Dhythos then quoted HKs logged in game conversation from the week before where HK himself boasted the importance of unbiased enforcement of rules in a game. HK had gone on about how he was fair and a better owner thant he previous owners because of his fair decision making. Of course, Dhythos showing HK he was a hypocrite with HKs own words didn't sit well, and that quickly escalated to the ban. Hk threatened a ban immediately for "daring to quote him" and Dhythos responded with a threat to report only if he is banned for that exact reason rather than a fair and logical reason. Result, HK immediately banned beacause of the buitt hurt.
You've all read random pro and anti Dhythos opinions and stories. This is the absolute truth. Szenkars biased mute lead to Dhythos appealing to HK, who agreed with Dhythos and then said tough shit. Best admin ever.
Only the key Dhythos was muted. Dhythos chose not to worldsay on his alternate dual key while able out of respect for the rules. You could learn something about that HK. You set up rules, then tear them up on a whim. Why don't you admit the truth, that you never disagreed with the logic of the appeal and it never had to be a pager issue? The issued Dhythos had in the past were not close to being on par with the major trolls of FFL past. All of them ended up temp banned and reformed. The only bad egg here is you for lying on this fucking forum to save face.
Well that's your opinion, feel free to believe I'm the worst hypocritical power trip baddy out there. Some people just need someone to fight and I guess you feel like I'm one of em which I'm flattered really but *shrugs*.
Onto whether or not the joke was mutable. I stand by and say it was. Just because there's an ignore function doesn't mean everyone has already done so and once something has been read it can't be unread. The abortion joke was untasteful and deserved the mute, he tried to appeal to the GM which was fine, the GM stood by it and it should've ended there. Had it done so nothing more would've happened he'd of gotten unmuted and no one would've been hurt.
I laugh that you resort to calling me shithead and slime as if I'm gonna be truly upset by anything you say. You even threaten to report the game again as if I should be concerned about your opinions of me to the point that I'm gonna have lawyers down my throat from SE. Allow me to enlighten you a bit, the lawyers at best will send a C&D the problem with that however is the game is already open source. If it's not me anyone can pick it up if they know where to look. I never once got the C&D so I'm not breaking rules I'm not making money so it's not as if they can sue me and I didn't create the /vr post to appeal for players. Granted I did make a public acknowledgement of this post and told people they could have fun so I guess you're somewhat correct in that regards.
All in all, you call me a shit head power tripping slime, but when you attack me anonymously and then threaten to ruin everyones fun you truly show how hypocritical you are and biased you are in this conversation for whatever reason.
Hate me as much as you want, it doesn't change anything. I'm not gonna change my opinion on the events of what happened just cause you don't agree with them. If you are dhythos however this was a pointless rebuttal he's far too mad.
I don't recall ever saying the mute was unfair, granted if you have the evidence to back it up feel free and I'll comment on it. I'm the only owner, Szenkar is not a co-owner but does help me manage the staff. Technically he's probably the closest thing to a co-owner now but certainly wasn't yet at the time. My opinion regarding Dhythos' mute was unbiased. He made an abortion joke in a public chat, appealed to a gm (which is fine) ignored the gm believing he was biased against him and eventually appealed to me which after looking into it I sided with the gm's decision cause why wouldn't I? He again made a tasteless abortion joke on a public channel.
If I was shown to be a hypocrite you're gonna have to explain how. Pretty sure if someone else made a public abortion joke in game I wouldn't of ignored it.
I didn't ban him for threatening to "quote" me, I banned him after he slung the idea of reporting the game to SE cause I'm tired of people using it as an excuse to try and get there way. Dhythos felt entitled from me and the game believing that he was extremely helpful and that I owed him for that. Or that cause he hasn't reported the game he also deserves to be put on a throne for it. Truth is he is not entitled to anything, no one is. And these threats need to be dealt with swiftly.
I'm fairly positive Dhythos' alt was muted at some point, for someone that claims to not be Dhythos you also seem to have a lot of insider knowledge on what Dhythos did or didn't do. This happened quite a while ago as well so it seems awfully suspicious that you would remember random info about someone you claim isn't you. This ban must've been so traumatizing for a side liner like yourself that you have it ingrained in your memory a year later. I really do feel sorry for you but I promise that being banned from a game so under the radar that no one should really care but apparently do that you will get over it someday.
Now that I think on it, I do recall being really irritated with him when he quoted me thinking I was being hypocritical on something I said earlier. I can't remember what it was about though, but I do not recall threatening to ban him for it then again I was angry at the time so maybe I did. I wonder if I can dig up what it was he was quoting me on to try and justify why I should unmute him. Pretty sure this conversation was also done in pager and again only Dhythos would know something like that, he didn't have many friends to truly confide in so I highly doubt a random by-stander would know about it.
Oh well, whether your Dhythos or not you sure do seem to have much to say on this topic. Regardless my memory feels jogged and it'll all come back to me at some point. Then again do I really want it to? I mean this was a year ago and I would think Dhythos as well would've moved on by now. I only talk about this cause I can't seem to escape the clutches of this conversation at the moment.
Biased? I'm very biased. I was a member of his clan. He made my icons. He helped me unlock classes. You agreed with him in the appeal and backed Szenkar because of your bias. I do know a lot about it, however; you say everything I know is wrong while admittimg I'm knowledgable on what happened. Odd. Are you saying here and now that if it can be proven thst you backed Szenkar and threatened to ban Dhythod only after he copy and pasted a single quote of you to you, you'll remove the ban?
That's right he did have a clan, I don't remember many people being in it. So he made you a few icons eh? How admirable, it certainly deserves you defending him a year later for icons that were I'm sure well done.
I stand by what I said again, I didn't disagree with his mute, if I stated as such in any way I'm sure there was a reason behind it. If you have the conversation I'll report to you why I may of made it appear as if Dhythos was "unfairly" muted but I've stated in this thread and during the events that happened he was properly muted for his offense and wasting everyones time.
You can be knowledgeable of specific events that happened and still get things wrong. After all the conversation between me and Dhythos was 2 ways not 3. You were at best quoted on what was being said and probably got the highlights from Dhythos not the actual info. So being knowledgeable of some events and being wrong are entirely possible to a by-stander. Unless you want to admit your Dhythos and actually talk to me one-on-one about the events of a year ago then we can do that.
Report to me? If I reveal who I am you'll just ban me. I left the clan same day you banned him. You're an expert on not having many friends, so I'll agree he probably didn't have many. 10 or so counting me. I wish I had contact info beyond a byond key. I'd love to see that reunion between the two of you.
Why would I ban you? In all the years i've run FFR I believe I banned maybe 2 or 3 people Dhythos being one of them and they were for similar reasons. Disagreeing with me doesn't warrant a ban, threatening the game does. To my knowledge you haven't done such a thing. But I won't be changing your mind on that you already believe me to be some evil dictator so I'll just move along from that now.
when I said "Report to me" I meant post the conversation and we can discuss it. Now that more of my memory is being jogged I may of agreed that a perma mute was unfair but the mute itself wasn't. The perma mute could've been on the grounds that Dhythos was a nuisance to the player base. Granted Dythos was walking a fine line into being perma-muted by me for as you stated quoting me in hypocritical situations as it were. If I can just remember what these quotes were I can better explain why it irritated me but the conversation is still fuzzy in my head atm.
Googled cecil81067. Page 2 has this link http://pastebin.com/5LRxLMRy While it's not what we need (The pager conversation) It's interesting to see how poorly you and Dhythos got along not long before the ban. Hint, you seemed to be on the same page. This probably wasn't long before the ban since I see Gladiator being discussed.
You are correct, prior to Dhythos being banned we actually got along quite well. I don't believe I ever denied this. In fact Dhythos was the one that would test challenges immediately after creation and seemed to enjoy testing them out. At some point Dhythos started to get on everyones nerves and specifically the attention of the staff. It was certainly upsetting hearing about Dhythos being in trouble but I can't fix other peroples problems and when I DID get involved it was a waste of time and had Dhythos just let it go and took his mute properly and been patient he never would've been banned. The perma-mute likely wouldn't of stuck it rarely ever does.
I really don't want to post all this here to turn this into a thread of FFR team vs Dhythos because it's not the intended purpose of this thread at all. But someone just can't keep his mouth shut!
I didn't only mute Dhythos because he made really distasteful jokes; he was a downright rude, shit-stirring twat to everyone in the world chat on a daily basis (if you want proof, you only need to look at this thread). HK didn't disagree with the mute, and it's strange for the above poster to say what they're saying if they aren't Dhythos at all; how would you know what HK had said at all if you weren't? Anyway, you've deluded yourself by twisting the story in your own mind so much that you actually believe it, which is a sign that you have a legitimate mental illness. You've only turned me into a scapegoat because I accused you of quadruple-keying, and you SO vehemently denied it for some reason, claiming that you and your brother both dualkey... Which is fine, and when I tried to explain to you that the game shows all your accounts and computer IDs linked together anyway, you flipped a colossal shit in the world chat and refused to listen. I'll never understand that.
If you think I'm bad, you should have played when Dolph was still around. He straight-up banned /v/ players for >greentexting in the world chat. At least I gave you a month or two to try to prove you weren't an asshole... But you were. The very fact that you had to stir up shit in the world chat on a daily basis attests to this.
You got banned because you threatened to call Square. FFR staff are extremely laid back in giving out any kind of punishment - case-in-point, you are the ONLY person to receive a ban in a long time - you never see players in jail, and automute for repetitive text is all you ever see. Despite being so laid-back, you still insist that I'm the one doing wrong to you, when in actuality, you burned your own bridge to the game by threatening to get Square.
FFR is a non-profit fangame developed by two guys in their free time. Nowhere is it stated that you have any kind of divine right to play the game, and your access can be revoked for any reason. But since we're not dicks and like seeing people enjoy and critique our work by providing input (except for please buff ninja) and comments, we only revoke access from insufferable twats that threaten us.
I have saved at least one of your FFR takedown threads you posted here before. Those only reinforce the decision to cut all of your ties with the game. You are never getting unbanned because you threatened the game itself. I'm not going to bother going through your posts to offer a point-by-point rebuttal. The development team doesn't want you here because you threatened them. I am amused by you trying to tell the lead developer to "fuck off" because he's a "bad egg" - the game is his. Not yours. And a mute on one key mutes your computer ID as well.
What are you trying to prove? Because the only thing you have proven is that you're a pissed off clown that can't accept that he fucked up and get the fuck over it.
One thing that pastbin shows is that I certainly don't ban people for simply disagreeing with me or mute them. That conversation goes on a long while before Ota intervened.
Second I think it's been proven Dhythos has no brother, we can see your computer ID's and they are all linked. There wasn't an extra computer ID to at least suggest that Dhythos got on his keys a few times there was just one computer ID I believe. Since the ban I placed on Dhythos bans his key and everything associated with it his brother was an unfortunate casualty which is the risk of playing with people that choose to disrupt the rules. Assuming he had a brother to begin with.
Wait. You remember exactly why you dislike him in detail? You accused him of quad keying and he denied it for some reason? The reason is either he wasn't or he lied. It sounds like your entire issue with him was avoidable in the 30 seconds it takes to simply get the truth.
If there was just one computer ID than he wouldn't have argued with Szen "vehemently" over it. The entire basis of argument being possible is that there must have been more than one computer ID. Why would a mod be so pissed or interested in whether someone has a sibling playing or not?
Read Szens post carefully. It looks like the entire issue between him and Dhythos was a debate over Szen initiating an accusation. The abortion joke is obviously a straw man to perm mute the guy for a separate issue initiated by your staff member. It's here in plain sight. Szen clearly caused the entire mess.
No one else has shown to have the issue Dhythos has described. He was more then defensive enough on a casual mention of the ID's clearly something Dhythos didn't want people to know about perhaps? Who knows why he was upset about as well. I'm just telling you that the odds of him having a brother are pretty slim. it's unlikely we wouldn't see a second CID.
I believe he had a brother. What I don't believe is that Szen had a reason to initiate an argument about it and not simply ask for indefinite proof. How can you flame a member of your community as guilty and not just offer a chance to prove ones innocence? We have technology that allows us to instantly view people in real time and blast doubts over petty shit like that HK. If he has a brother, you banned an innocent third party. Fuck Dhythos for a minute, what about the guy you potentially nuked for nothing?
Me as mod: WHISPERS "The system is showing you're quad keying. It's against the rules.
Person in question. :I'm not quad keying.
Me as mod: The system shows four keys on one CID. Going to need proof or you can't log in as more than two IDs anymore.
At this point, person proves it or admits to lying. There is no long winded exchange, attempt to humiliate someone with an accusation, ect. The only thing I see here is that Szen is an incompetent mod that caused you and the user a lot of fucking grief and stressed you both into an extreme situation.
Quadkeying isn't against the rules. I merely said one time that he appeared to be quadkeying - so, I accused him of doing it - and he flipped out. He was not only muted for making shitty jokes, he was muted for being disruptive to players in the world chat as well as harassing other players constantly. Where do you think >>2870735 came from?
What I get out of this entire thread is that you and Dhythos had a falling out over your accusation. It lead to you muting him shortly after for an unrelated straw man reason. This lead to him and HK discussing an appear. HK agreed it shouldn't be a perm mute but didn't want to step on your toes. HK was irritated to be bothered with the bull shit you created. Dhythos copy pasted some fucking quote by HK that he believed showed HK would be a hypocrite unless he stepped in and helped squash your bull shit. HK got mad and made Dhythos mad. Ban threat countered with report thread countered with real ban. You got everything you wanted Szen? HK lost his tester that he got along with until your bull shit and the victor of battles writes history. GG
I'm betting HK is sitting there right now wondering a few things. Did any of this have to happen without Szens bull shit? Did HK accidentally nuke a third party? Could the server have completely avoided going into hiding if you weren't an ass Szen. Personally, I'd be wondering why you're so hateful on the subject of the dispute before the mute rather than the square threat. Your focus alone heavily suggests that's the moment in time you developed the hate that you carry for the guy.
buying into the szen puppeteer logic somewhat. hk and dythos dont seem like they'd of argued over anything less than a szen situation. thanks for setting ffrs population back asshat.
Quadkeying is not against the rules, szen just pointed it out to him. No one was gonna ban his keys or anything for that. His "brother" got banned cause when I banned Dythos his computer ID was the same as Dythos. I don't feel guilty about that cause Dythos shouldn't of took it that far. It's unfortunate that this supposed brother was also removed from the game, but the evidence points to the contrary.
I don't personally care what started this problem, I was there at the end and I was threatened. Dythos even tried to reverse look me up to get my physical address. Threatened harm to me and tried to use reporting SE as a scapegoat to his own ends. We may of gotten along at one point but that doesn't mean much when a person is willing to go so far over nothing. Dythos may have never been correct in looking me up but the fact that he tried shows how petty this is.
I don't think you'd unban his brother if you came across them both tomorrow somewhere and verified they were two different people. Some of your posts seem really fair, and others hint at the fact that you do what you want and are the type that won't change his mind.
Now you're just being a petty asshole. Just because you don't point and click ban doesn't mean you didn't ban. If Iran nukes one Mexican and melts 72000 more, they can't go "I didn't nuke 72000 Mexicans. I nuked Jose." The difference is you can unban the third party, but have clearly stated you don't give a shit.
dhythos must be black. this is how the cops treat us all the time. oh u want rights and due process nigga? u going to internal affairs if i violate those rights more? now ima beat the shit out u nigga and its okay cause im the law. u shouldnt have mentioned dat internal affairs or fairness shit to me nigga. im the authority. respect it cause i do what i want nigga.
This is an image board.
If it makes you feel better, I don't give a shit. The odds of this "brother" being real are incredibly low. Let's say for the sake of argument the code is buggy and didn't report a second computer ID. Well here's where this starts to fall apart. I didn't ban Dythos through the game. He's banned via the pager which uses byonds own key signature program. You see BYOND itself associates all his keys as one as well not just the "potentially" faulty code. So what exactly are the odds of Dythos' brother being both real and a innocent bystander? I'll let you figure that out on your own but I'm sure my one ban has to be comparable to mass murder anyway so I doubt you'll listen to anything anyone has to say. Keep the tin foil hat on buddy.
The bottom line is you would not unban him under any circumstance. Nothing past that matters. If tomorrow you obtained evidence that they were two separate people from any reliable source, you'd disregard it. That's the problem.
I only used the example of the simple accusation to show how quickly he blows his top. Nothing else is meant by it and it has nothing to do with why he got muted or banned - because, as I said, he was harassing players and causing trouble in the world chat. I didn't ban or mute him because of a personal vendetta like you're accusing me of, so - sorry! You're filling in gaps where there are none.
So I have been messing with the BYOND client. The only way I can get it to launch on my computer (windows 10) is to go to dreamseeker and copy paste the redirect me into it. It will launch the game but tell me I'm not logged in. I have already made an account but I don't know how to log in to the game once it's launched. Sorry if this isn't clear but could someone help? Would really like to try this game
I'd disregard it cause I cannot unban someone I never banned. I'm sorry you seem to lack the ability to understand this. I cannot change byond's key signature policy nor would I ask them to. If you feel like his keys are unjustly jointed take it up with byond and see how that goes. Removing dythos from the unban list is not an option cause Dythos needed to be banned for threats against the server. If I banned his key in game it would be the same, his computer ID's are the same therefore his brother will be banned again. What do you propose?
I'm not gonna bother explaining this again, this is an unfortunate casualty and his own brother is to blame for it. You're also white knighting for someone that isn't even asking to be unbanned either and at this point with how much you're shoving this OMG UNBAN HIM NOWZ CAUSE IT'S UNJUST mentality it's more then likely that if a solution was found to unban him dythos would use it to ban evade if he hasn't already. Sorry but as I stated before, I honestly don't give a shit that his "brother" was banned. Is it unfair? Sure, but it was his brother that caused the turmoil and wouldn't let things go. Had Dythos never provoked neither he nor his brother would've been banned. If anyone should feel guilty about his brother not being able to play it's Dythos and no amount of you crying how unjust you believe it is will fix that.
What I propose is very simple. Step 1. Unban the four keys in question. Step 2. Key Ban Dhythos and his alternate key rather than what is associated. I can't say I'd jail you if your brother committed a crime. I'd give a shit. Beyond all your fancy words you're clearly a bad person HK.
Alternate proposition. You're missing the point that Dhythos only threatened to go to Square if you were un just in talking sense into your subordinate. Be just and fair, and you never had to worry about him doing anything of the sort? Your hasty ban was the only threat to the game.
Personally, I'd unban Dhythos and be very clear that any violation of the actual rules of the game will result in perm ban. I'd let him know this is his last chance and if a ban occurs it will be for him violating the rules and not personal pride, vendettas or issues beyond the scope of the game. Treat the game as it's own entity. In business, if you make a LLC but then run the business based on your whims like it's a shield, the judge bipasses the LLC protection when you're sued directly. The protection only stands up when the LLC functions as its own entity with rules, schedules, and standards that are followed day in and day out validating the LLC as more than a shield. You could learn a lot from that.
Dythos is the only keys that's banned. Not sure why you think I have other keys to unban so step 1 seems odd.Step 2 is already in place.
This is a game, and you need to disassociate that with real life already. This game is so irrelevent you shouldn't be comparing it to mass murder, cops, or real life crimes. I'm sorry to tell this to you in such a way. Here's an idea for you though since you feel it's unjust. Get the source, or a source like it, make your own game and host it with your own set of justified laws. Problem solved no?
Yet another proposition. Step 1. Require Dhythos contact you directly. Step 2. Require he and his brother both speak with you directly through a program with visual and audio capability. Step 3. Have a civil discussion, then make a just decision.
Out come. You could leave Dhythos banned and free the brother. You could unban both and have Dhythos on his last leg. You could allow the brother to make two new keys and transfer the save files. You have options beyond being a stubborn dick. You can be a decent human being and protect the game.
This is not a business, a business requires funds to be transferred and me as a business owner giving services to the buyer. As my previous post has stated, if you feel my policy is unjust get the source and make it your own. No one is stopping you and if you know who to ask you'll get what you want. The source isn't *that* secret.
You're straw maning the debate now that you're backed into a corner. It's not a policy, but your sole decision in spite of the games general policies you laid out prior to the incident. Stop being a pretentious prick and be a human being. Telling someone to code a game them self if you can't be human isn't a valid counter point in the debate you fool. It just proves my points.
If you had a real conversation with the guy and his brother, you'd find yourself shedding your unreasonable defenses. You'd still get angry, disagree or agree with things. When you see and hear someone, the internet anonymity and unreasonable bull shit is quickly shed. You'd both put the issue to rest and a fair solution would be the out come. It's much easier to type whatever you want on a whim when typing.
I am not straw manning anything. I'm telling you steps that you can make if you don't like my decision. I already told you that I don't care about his so called brother being banned and explained that I never banned his keys to begin with. You don't like what I have to say so you go on a tangent about fixes that don't fix anything cause you still seem to think that all 4 keys are banned and unbanning them will somehow make this work which it won't.
Now that I've given you a solution about what you can do about it you seem to be upset and argue against it cause it's clearly not that easy for you to do for some reason. Well I'm sorry to hear that. Perhaps you should take your own advice and follow it cause again this game is a hobby of mine, not a business or anything ridiculous of the sort. I owe nothing to you or Dythos or Dythos' brother and there's already solutions in place that they can do such as getting their own server. Everyones happy we all stay out of each others hair. Being upset with me is unreasonable in my pov but at least I don't sit around on a message board talking about why you're such a dick about something you know little about. But that's just me.
I'm satisfied with your solution HK. I offered reason and fairness and you rejected it with pride for the community to see and re read over and over. I have no stake in it, but dislike tyrants and pride filled assholes like you. I don't need to code a game to freely continue to play FFR and my experience won't change. The people now know that you can easily free an innocent third party from a ban but don't "give a shit." Among my solutions are workable ones in spite of the pager and your retort is for me to make my own game. Every time you lose your patience, you rush to the make your own game and old source retort. The log posted earlier had you doing that in the paste bin. You're unreasonable, and I'm being reasonable. Keep crying how unreasonable I am while you sit around this message board getting mad bro.
I'm sorry you think you need to be a coder to host your own game. The truth is you don't. Just need the source files. I'm tired of entitled spoiled children like you that think you're entitled to tell me how to do anything as if I owe something to you. You're unreasonable and whiney and should reconsider how you talk to people. It's like I have a ps2 in my room that I bought with my money. You as a neighbor were invited to play it but you pissed me off cause you threw my controller. I kicked you out of my house and told you to stay away but now you're mad cause I won't let you play with my stuff anymore. His brother MIGHT exist and be innocent but this isn't reality so we can't know that for sure now can we? So the two don't compare as I'm sure you'll say BUT BUT THE BROTHER IS INNOCENT argument. BS enough said. I'm sorry you find my reasoning unreasonable to you. It's a shame but it's also not a concern of mine. You're free to walk your own path no one is stopping you. Take care and get mad more either way Dythos is not playing my ps2.
I love how you've thrown your earlier reasoning away and changed your stance to counter me. Someone reading down the thread will watch you change as the real you comes out. :) Keep ranting about how you're the King and do what you want. Szenkar makes a bad Hand of the King btw. He isn't fit to wipe your filthy shit spewing ass. :)
I haven't changed my pov or reasoning, I've simply been elaborating on it further. This is one ban from about a year ago. There hasn't been any punishments of the like rolling out since or even much before. So I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. What was the point? To make HK admit he doesn't care? I already stated as such bluntly! Lol I really don't care about this, people wanted to discuss it so I'm discussing it. I haven't changed then I haven't changed now. No amount of anything I say will help you understand my pov and the same seems to go for me understanding yours. If I've made the switch of one side to another by all means showcase it, but I can guarantee you everything I've said in this thread has been on one side and one side only. Keep the tin foil on, it looks good on you. Also FIGHT THE POWAH you need something to do anyway.
This post is the very definition of trying to stir shit for no good reason. You're better than that, anon.
You fucked up by pissing off the admins and developers of an online game. Any other online game where you try to pull shit like this with GMs gets you banned, too. Why should a small game be any different? Stop being a delusional retard.
Seems like a lot of this argument tries to ignore the fact that Dhythos tried to take down the server, resulting in nobody being able to play at all. Funny how you can accuse someone of straw manning when you are deliberately ignoring what's right in front of you.
Well looks like some douchebags are trying to get this shut down. Even posting crap like the owner / admin made money off it by selling an in-game item... would not be surprised if they're ramping up to send an email to square with a link to this thread.
Oh well, was fun while it lasted. Only got to play a little and got a paladin to 45. Wanted to see the end game but it looks fucked now.
Hk does make money sometimes. Do you really think certain people grinded some of that impossible drop rate gear? LMFAO. I paid him ten bucks for my Engineer Tools when RNG shit on me. Air Anchor. <3
Needlessly posting the game on a forum when it's an illegal game isn't exactly a smart decision in the first place. Yeah, 4chan threads delete. Archives also exist. It's the internet idiots.
Well i can just make a statement that I've never accepted money for anything in-game. I've turned down anything related to money or the idea of exchange for anything. It's easy to hide in anon to make these claims. Which is adoreable.
It's fine though, this is 4chan trolls are abundant here if worse comes to worse we can always shutdown but someone will be back to pick it up again. FFL has a tendency to never die and I hope the next person is the totally justified leader you all are hoping for. lol thing is with a game like this so many people have the source it's near impossible to shutdown entirely. This isn't caused by me but by previous owners I have no way of controlling that so if someone else happened to pick up the mantle in my destruction i can't be held up to that sadly no matter how much you trolls would believe it so. I'll just end up moving on to something else.
If only someone anonymously posted a link to the current source, or old source, or host file on this very thread. If this happened, it would greatly increase the accuracy of this statement by proving the source is abundant and making it more so.
I don't believe you can post that stuff on this forum, back when I was starting on FFR though I knew on hand about 5 people that had the source, and they claimed to give it to others, I believed it since a few of the previous owners had several people working on the source at once. Not including myself there should be roughly 10+ people with different versions of FFL. I'm sure if you asked someone will do it.
we need more than that. wait a bit and post as anonymous instead of hk. get us to an out dated source that is right before any of your touches! a new generation must study it and slowly learn to code.
When you are a nerd coming from a family and circle of fake rappers and trash, you have to go hard with your illegal fan game administration. Keep it real gangster. Seriously though, you have so few friends yourself. Hating on your enemy for sharing your faults is amusing. Thank god you found a click of con going nerd friends to carry you through those sad years.
Resorting to personal attacks doesn't really make you look good you know. Hiding behind a wall of anon makes you such a bad ass now. I'm so glad you have the ability to remember odd details or look things up. I'm honestly flattered you care this much about me that you'd go through such great lengths to find my info lol but i'm sure you just googled. :)
You're right though, I don't have a whole lot of friends, pretty introverted does that to you, the friends I do have are awesome though and I am grateful for them getting me through these "sad years" as you put it.
I can say one thing though, even though you are anon to me at least I'm here you know? I don't make excuses I simply speak matter of factly. You know who I am, but at least I'm no someone literally hiding in that shadow of a forum taking jabs at people I don't actually know. Either through scare tactics or what have you. So good luck with that, sounds like you are the one that's more insecure then I ever could be.
It sounds to me like you just want the game with no administration (or with you in an admin spot), but you still want continuous updates. It doesn't work that way, bucko. You are literally the one person that can't get along with the admins. When /vr/ came in last time, the server topped 60 players a day, and none of them were troublemakers, none of them were banned... Save for one. Surely the one person out of many wasn't banned for no reason at all, right? Come on now.
If you don't like the development team, you are free to leave. FFR wouldn't be FFR without the developers. but if you want to stay and play, that's cool too, as long as you're not a disruptive douche about it.
if you want an FFL/FFR source and don't have it then you seriously need to lurk the fuck more, one guy at least from /vr/ already has the source from years ago and was working on his own game from it.
57. Lowest number I've ever seen anyone have short of the elderly.
Google+ hasn't ever been popping either. Your twitter has 3 posts about a Game of Thrones staff member and your past has you leaching off Joel and Amy Williams until they had a child and moved on. You're a basement dweller bro.
Your Steam account has what, a dozen friends and two former historical friends? Even if you did care, it changes nothing. You're a social reject foaming over FFR as an escape from the life you've wasted.
What exactly are you hoping to gain from spewing some random facts about me I haven't stated for myself both in public in game or elsewhere? The facts you found are there for a reason. No I'm certainly not living a lavish lifestyle filled with wholesome goodness like you so apparantly do. Yes I'm going bald... oh dear a genetic trait I cannot control, an attack on my looks! Oh my whatever will I do. You hide behind your anon like a bitch which is the real truth going on here. You spout shit I left out in the public digging like an idiot through trash and honestly believe you can sling it against me like you're somehow some warrior with an AHA! Moment.
I laugh at this cause what can you honestly say? I'm a nerd? I leeched off people? I don't socialize much? Oh man secret is out people! I feel so VIOLATED. No buddy, you are now grasping so hard at desperation it's honestly a wonder that you can't hold an argument against me. Resorting to this really? Were you hoping to make me sad or something? Nothing you said changes anything. Grow the fuck up seriously.
Unfortunately the one retard is not a native /vr/ user or even 4chan user, and just thinks that 4chan = /b/. He's autistic so he can't get it through his head that he's doing wrong, and instead makes multiple posts trying to make himself seem like he's multiple people supporting his arguments instead.
Would it make you feel any better if I DOX Dhythos?
No, I don't think it's all that cool to dox anyone, Why would I put Dythos out in the open like that? I may not care much about him but what if something was shitty going on and I put it out for everyone to see? It's not cool. He can do it to me all he wants, it doesn't make a difference.
When you run BYOND from your desktop, it should open as a Windows service. It'll have a dopey-little GUI with a pager, game center, popular games, that kinda thing. I haven't actually tried using it on Windows 10 so I don't know if it actually works. If nothing launches when you run the little BYOND icon, you may want to try reinstalling as administrator instead. The software kinda sucks, to be totally honest, but it's been around a pretty long time.
You sure? I can roll up a burner FB account and message you his info. You'd only know as much about him as the forum knows about you. I'm not one for putting addresses, phone numbers or the addresses and phone numbers of server hosting associates on 4chan. This is my troll limit.
>all the dumb shit unrelated to the actual gameplay in this thread
Just got home and I am amazed at the monumental asspain I am seeing in this thread. Why would anyone stick around and rage so hard in some podunk little thread for some podunk little game? Jesus Christ I'm cringing with embarrassment for you, NotDhythos.
If that doesn't work for you, there are BYOND developer forums where the platform developers would be able to help out with issues. If you have friends, you should bring them along with you, playing in a party, especially over Skype, is way more fun.
Depends on the Doxing. Posting your FB and looking at your twitter and shit isn't illegal. Knowing your steam name isn't illegal Cyrus Knight. Illegal would be endangering you by dropping that other info I refuse to give. I may be a troll, but I don't need your safety on my conscience.
It's not the facebook stuff it's my name showing up and the attempt to leak some personal information that's showing up even if it's inaccurate. The person is seriously fishing for my information. Steam and what have you is not my concern the twitter i don't think is even mine... I honestly don't watch game of thrones so not sure why that would be referenced being completely honest here. The point is that this person is digging a little hard and I don't believe I posted much personal information like where I live and stuff but I could be wrong. Either way it's starting to get into illegal territory. It's not concern for you I have, and my safety is of no real concern cause if it's serious enough I can just get police involved. I don't know why someone takes a game this seriously but he needs to see a psychiatrist at best not me getting information on him that isn't even important cause it's none of my business.
Usually if you start on a weekend, when most players are around, you can just ask to see if anyone wants to join you and you're likely to draw in a couple people. Honestly, a balanced 3-man party will get pretty far but trying to close out the five will make the game less hectic.
If you feel your safety is at risk, go for it. In the states the laws vary by state on how Doxing is handled. Most often they need to be putting you Social, address, phone number, bank info, place of work or other info on blast. Online handles and memberships to online pages don't really amount to shit in the big picture for this sort of thing.
It hasn't really gotten to that point yet, but I'm still checking to see what happens. In the event that he does post such things I should be aware that he's trying otherwise I'm foolish for ignoring it.
Interestingly enough no, that's not mine. I don't use twitter. Even the google+ thing was just something my google account cooked up you know how google is. As for the twitter for sure I don't know anything about that.
Like I said, I don't feel threatened yet, I'm just being watchful. It'd be stupid to turn my back and find out he's doing more then simply looking up my key. I mean when I was younger my key was kind associated with everything. nowadays it's just remnants (lol) of what it was left behind. If I really wanted to I can go back and get rid of most if not all of it.
Why would I stop posting? I'm not doing anything wrong lol.
Who the fuck is this HK faggot, why the fuck is this turbofaggot doxxing him and running his mouth?
This is not the balding neckbeard and his wanna be gay lover turbovirgin buttstalker thread. Fuck off with your drama, shit up a different thread
I can't believe I stumbled onto this nightmare of a thread. Hold you head high HK. You were a good friend from the time Nadrew oppressed the players of his server during the end of it's time right up to when I left byond a few years ago. I don't know what you've done since then, but I do know you were a nice person when I left. Don't feed the trolls here.
People are anonymous by default. How does attaching an unknown identity to criticism validate it in any way, you small-minded retard? You don't know me, but the fact that you think I wouldn't say any of this if you did is a projection of your own spinelessness.
You are dissembling with nonsense again. You specifically stated "he was in a clear violation of rules", yet your rules refer to flooding and harassment. Jokes you consider "untasteful" are neither. Make the game private and make sure everyone knows that only those with delicate constitutions are invited to play in your hug box if "untasteful" jokes aren't welcome. That aside, you banned someone for questioning your authority after they were muted for something that clearly violated no rules. (Still waiting for that explanation of how a rule was violated.)
>Allow me to enlighten you ... I'm not making money so it's not as if they can sue me
Are you feigning ignorance or just stupid? You are supplying/hosting the game so it being open source is irrelevant. It is almost entirely copyrighted intellectual property that you don't own. You're aware that people get sued and imprisoned for creating torrents despite no financial gain, right?
>All in all, you call me a shit head power tripping slime, but when you attack me anonymously and then threaten to ruin everyones fun you truly show how hypocritical you are and biased you are in this conversation for whatever reason.
Care to explain the hypocrisy or bias in anything I've said? You are the reason why fun online games can't maintain sufficient player bases after a year or two: all the public servers are run by shithead adolescents who, drunk with the tiny sip of power they have, can't follow their own rules and ban the most active players in their user base for offending their delicate sensibilities or daring to question their authority and self-serving judgments. You are the most common and worthless form of human slime.
At this stage will ye all shut the fuck, ye are all rabbiting on about shite that happened in the past. Lets get back to what this thread is all about, playing a fun game with great bants thrown in for good measure. Also soloing bahamut was a shock.
Yeah, there's an awful lot of samefaggotry in this thread. Nobody gives a fuck about the drama, they want to play the game. So if admins and retards can stop bringing attention to themselves, that'd be super.
some of you guys are alright
dont have your characters on the server this Sunday
a while back someone posted a nearly identical message on /b/, before a shooting happened at the location they specified on the day they specified.
there's so many goddamn shootings as of late I forget where exactly.
You posted your faggot picture on the last thread as well. How many times can the same stupid faggot post the same response once the thread starts? Answer, OP is questioning the legit link OP posted for some reason.
Nuke this thread from orbit janitor. The first 15 posts or so are 100% copy pasted from the previous thread word for word. OP mass pasted the previous thread and replicated response after response to create a dialogue amongst himself interesting enough to draw our comments if we didn't see the previous thread to realize the game he's playing.
Game is also developed from 2003-2016.
I would fuck myself if I weren't so distracted by this non retro, rule breaking thread that belongs in / v / . You entitled faggots think that being fan game making, indy developers stealing retro graphics entitles you to post in / vr / . Laughable.
Whoa, I liked the idea of multiplayer FF4 and would love more of that, but I didn't realize the owners/admins were so easily offendable.
That kinda takes the fun out of the social experience when you have to be careful what you type into chat, nobody likes having to censor their selves for other's delicate sensibilities, least of all 4chan.
no, the admins in general are really cool and help players with grinding and bosses and stuff, if you read the thread there's only one guy complaining about getting banned last year.
Been playing since literally the first incarnation, and I even started 1 initiative with /v/ years ago. This game has changed hands almost as much as SS13, every time it's under a new link and new management.
If it's down now it'll be up again in 6 months with even less players, as usual.
the quality of the game is drastically different when the programmer knows how to make things work. Remember Andrew? That dumb fuck did not know how to code for shit and ruined the game repeatedly, balancing the game only for his own PvP epeen. Nielz was okay, but he should've kept Andrew on a leash and let CIB program instead -- the shit Andrew pulled against him chased him away from the game for good.
Eldin? Brett? Xhaos? They fucking sucked. Nadrew was okay but he's fucking years in the past. Nobody will be able to put out a server like this one.
Fargreze here. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but one or two people seemed to have ruined an otherwise excellent small community game yet again. I enjoyed playing with all of you, I like the game's concept and the clear effort that went into creating new and secret classes, and I'm sad to see it go. I just showed the game to a friend of mine who started playing with enthusiasm.
What's the first thing he sends me: "I think I see what you mean about great community" after watching the W-say for a few minutes.
I also hope that the decision to shut the whole scene is still not final, I'm worried that I'll miss the next revival if it comes at all. I'm grateful to the host for bringing the game back again, and I'd be just as happy to see it return once more.
I couldn't find my screenshot folder, so I'll just have to leave you with the portrait that speaks for itself. Until next time, everybody!
I'd be happy if you went back on your word, HK. I heard some things about a project you were working on and it looks like you were wrecking whoever's been causing problems in the thread. There must be a way to win.
Word is Sigorana Legend 2 and SS13 aren't bad
you know I was the hardest bard, whatever that means
>I also hope that the decision to shut the whole scene is still not final
Let's hope so. At least we had some fun times
sorry about getting us killed by Meteor.Good luck to everyone and see you around.
HK isn't shutting the scene. He's just changing the host link and no longer discussing it here. It's existence will be denied vehemently to protect it. Just message someone in the know. Goes for everyone who's upset.
Does he really think it's a good idea to go from the 30 players we had to 10? I recall a time when we had 300 people on at any time of the day\night.
It's good information to know, thanks; but this sounds like the nail in the coffin.
It's a shame it didn't pick up there, Record Keeper and waifuposting are all they care about
>tfw even when it was up a year ago and /v/ threads were around, I still never got a chance to try and hit all the endgame stuff due to lack of motivation
Well, we tried. At least we tried.
But there's really nothing so distracting to a bunch of circlejerking autists as waifuposting. I guess I'll just go back to FFRK.
I wish the Weeks of Waifus fag would go. At least the Ultros poster hasn't come back. Yet.
I never did get to fight Bahamut or any of the Shrine bosses and
I'm sorry I checked that poster, although beating Zeromus and Gilgy were great.
>I made the retard proof guide for nothing
I'm sorry I couldn't stick with you guys through the end. No motivation and had to return to work after Christmas. I was Sog if you guys remember me ;_;
We should have kept posting ingame pics in the general to garner attention.
>comfy tactics talk has been ruined by a waifuposter
I don't know why I stick around the general anymore.
Oh man another FFR thread, I miss you guys sometimes.
Game is obviously a mod of a retro game. Hope you're shitting up the rom hacking thread (or any of the Doom Mod threads) as much as this one. If not then you're a giant fucking hypocrite.
Well, I saw this posted on FF Rebirth and figured I'd share it. The creation of the account was new so not sure how authentic it is but it would appear HK will not be returning.
Just read them all. They're listed newest to oldest, so read from a ways down. I'm mind blown.
"Intentionally feeding is feeding and doing everything you can to help the enemy team win. During the ranked game spree I purchased wards and threw them into the turrets so the enemy could get free gold. I threw my trinkets. I spread my feed to lanes, and sometimes hung around to steal exp and cs to get more wards.
I purchased primarily speed items like Swift Boots, Home Guard, Zeal, Aethers Wisp, ect. I'd pretend to help for a moment, give the team hope, then throw the team engage and walk off. I'd start dragons and barons at bad times, and the teams would usually go for it and lose them. I'd break people one lane at a time so some afked or raged.
Dropping from Silver 3 to Bronze 4 rapidly with constant huge losses should not "confuse the system." It's not a bad fucking day. Kagami is a fucking idiot white night pussy sucking riots cock here and spewing bull shit.
Go on, get on your knees and gratify your master Lyte. Lyte the great smiter who has passed me over continually because he can't "shame" and "log post" someone who purposely breaks the rules the way he can the crying banned. He knows I give no fucks and do this intentionally and discredit his social rule absolutes policies of bull shit. I've made a fool of his counter toxic hardcore punishment policies by doing this and the man has no rebuttal to prove otherwise."
Is this real?
Main thing I wanted people to see from that link was that this is not the only game that this guy has shat up. Or shat up even more according to
Several people were trying to make a point of him being banned for next to no reason when its pretty god damned obvious that he has no problem being a massive sperglord... in this game or elsewhere.
Furthermore, if what >>2909957 said was correct and he was back in game playing after the ban, then what is/was the fucking problem? Why the shit storm if he was keeping his head down and playing the game?
Then stop replying.
Nowhere in my post did I state that "his sins in one game amounts to guilt in another". Simply that he is no stranger to being a colossal faggot whenever he feels like it.
Other people were trying to give anecdotal evidence that he wasn't the bad guy people were making him out to be, so I felt that some more concrete evidence showing that he is was needed.
You're a dick. Can tell which posts are yours because you make demands like "stop replying." You didn't provide anything concrete on the FFR ban issue. League is not FFR. You're as bad here as he is on that league thread.
How dumb are you? Here I'll simplify it for you.
>Other people were trying to give anecdotal evidence that he wasn't the bad guy people were making him out to be, so I felt that some more concrete evidence showing that he is was needed.
>People were trying to say he wasn't a cunt so I gave some hard evidence showing that he is a cunt.
The only thing other people were doing was pointing out that, regardless of his general nature, he was the victim of a power trip. Notice how HK persistently dodged any and all requests for him to explain how Dythos broke any of the server rules? Whether you consider Dythos a "bad guy" or not is completely irrelevant; the fact is, HK is a pompous, dishonest little faggot who will use the most flimsy and obviously false excuses to justify his ego mania while offering half-assed, repetitive weaselings along the lines of "well I don't really remember, but you're definitely wrong lol". And then there's his high and mighty spiel about the futility of faulting him for his role in an "open source" project:
"Well, does that mean you'll share the source with the rest of us?"
"lol, no, go fuck yourselves"
Every single solipsistic lie or half-truth is buried under a pile of "as I recall" or "if I can just jog by memory" type preemptive excuses. He can never quite remember why, but he's absolutely certain that there's no discrepancy between his actions and his saintly self-aggrandizements. Anyone who sees otherwise is just a meany-pants troll who can't appreciate all the sacrifices he's made to keep other people's work to himself. (Oh, but ANYONE can get it, just don't ask him about it.) So now he is crying over the fact that the sycophants in this thread aren't numerous enough, don't have their tongues as far up his ass as he would like, and have not sufficiently worshiped his humble martyrness of pilfered ideas and shitty programming.
But no, this is all about mischievous former player Dythos, not the "owner" balls deep in his own throat as you minions fight over who gets to eat his asshole first.
You're a dumbfuck and you need to leave. YOU are the fucking problem.
Do you seriously think someone can remember hundreds of different players that just come and go? Do you really think he will remember every single detail about one individual over a year down the road after he's been taken care of, done, and forgotten? Fuck no.
If you're a toxic piece of shit, you DESERVE to be banned. I'd believe the admins of a game over a bunch of anonymous shit-flinging retards like you on an imageboard, they have a reason to defend their work because they've spent so much time on it trying to make something for people to enjoy. The fact that this thread devolved into this shit is that people like you cannot ever admit to being wrong, and instead of just shutting the fuck up and moving on, you behave like a fucking child and start digging up information and sharing it with people in an attempt at ad hominem and more; that kind of bullshit is flat-out fucking ridiculous. I know I wouldn't be able to possibly convince you because you've been a cunt all throughout this thread, but god damn, you're a fucking idiot, anon, and people would still be able to enjoy the game if it weren't for you.
Saying the game is open source isn't a lie. It's easy to find, why should he spoonfeed you? Regardess, finding a version with all of his team's work and changes will be impossible.
You just attacked someone making a game in their free time for people to enjoy just because he tried to tell you that he didn't want ONE person playing his game because they were such a colossal asshole that he needed to be put down. I sure hope you're proud of yourself, anon, for ruining a good thing.
>You're a dumbfuck and you need to leave.
No one cares what you think.
>Do you seriously think someone can remember hundreds of different players that just come and go?
By HK's own admission, he remembers exactly why he doled out every ban and mute.
>I'd believe the admins of a game over a bunch of anonymous shit-flinging retards like you on an imageboard
I'm not insinuating or claiming any special knowledge of the situation; everything I've said is based on the incongruence between HK's own statements in this exact thread and nothing else, you worthless mouthbreather.
>they have a reason to defend their work
Whose work? The original developers of FFIV, or the original developers of FFL? And to which of these groups does HK belong, if you would be so kind as to remind me?
>The fact that this thread devolved into this shit is that people like you cannot ever admit to being wrong
Glorious irony. I didn't get involved in this topic until AFTER HK posted his "version" of the story (i.e. "he broke the rules (but I won't specify which ones no matter how relevant that is) and I don't care about whiners")
>you behave like a fucking child and start digging up information and sharing it with people in an attempt at ad hominem and more
Yeah, not everyone who sees a shithead for a shithead is the same person out to malign your favorite fanny pounder. Like I said, all my criticisms are based on HK's own statements in this fucking thread, you stupid faggot.
>I know I wouldn't be able to possibly convince you because you've been a cunt all throughout this thread, but god damn, you're a fucking idiot, anon
It's quite clear that you're conflating a few different posters together.
>Saying the game is open source isn't a lie.
You don't know what open source means, so please keep your mouth shut about things which you clearly know nothing about.
>You just attacked someone making a game in their free time
Awww, did I hurt the poor wittle HK's feewlwings? Gee, I hope he doesn't WHINE about other people's sense of right and wrong.
But it is quite nice of you to stroke his ego AND cock with your slavering mouth as you utterly miss the irony of situation.
>I sure hope you're proud of yourself, anon, for ruining a good thing.
If FFR were actually open source, nothing would be ruined by one prima donna's hurt feelings over the fact that there are actually people in this world who will judge him for being a hypocritical and pompous little shit.
Hey, you are free to flatter, caress, and fellate him until you're blue in the face, but otherwise do shut your mouth as you clearly don't have any thoughts in your head worth sharing with anyone who doesn't have your nose halfway up their colon.
Samefagging / shilling and e-celeb shit go hand in hand. I really wish Hiro would slap all boards with forced anonymous + post IDs to crack down on it.
As it stands, attaching signatures or avatars to your post is against the global rules. Why isn't forced anonymous a thing for the same reason? More often than not, the only people who use tripcodes are just trying to draw attention to themselves and hijack the thread into their own personal circlejerk.
And then there's this godawful abomination of a thread that should have been deleted days ago. What the fuck happened to /vr/'s janitors?
No, you just think that your own sense of justice is absolute and that you can't possibly do wrong. You constantly have to resort to insults only because you have no actual ground to stand on to back your argument at all, except for saying "WELL MY OPINION IS" -- except, whoops, your opinion doesn't actually fucking matter unless you're the dude that got banned! You keep telling me to suck admin dick, for example, but you've got banned retard dick jammed so far up your own ass, why should anyone care for your opinion?
The fact of the matter is, a majority of the posters in the thread would say that you're wrong, it's because they enjoy the game, not because they have HK's dick in their collective mouths. You are deluded because you can't possibly think that your opinion is wrong on this scale despite the fact there's mountains of evidence against you that people just legitimately enjoy the game, players, or people behind it. You see nothing wrong with ruining an experience for 50 different people just because you think you're right. When your opinion didn't count for shit, you resorted to doxxing someone over a fucking online video game so that you could get some attention. That is some /b/-level shit.
At the end of the day, even regardless of everything I said above and no matter who gets the last post before this thread 404s, people will read this in an archive and admit that you were a piece of shit that ruined a good game because you're a salty little child that didn't get his way.
I honestly don't give a flying fuck about HK. What I really give a flying fuck about is the fact that some whiny basement dwelling shit stain had to throw a fucking fit and ruin something cool.
Damn near the entire thread was on topic and civil/informative until Dythos (possibly? probably?) and his flock came in here to foul everything up. Hell, even the shit talking was just fine, but one of you faggots had to take things 10 steps over the line and dig up personal info of a guy who was just trying to provide a free fucking service for people to enjoy... 99% of which were able to get along with him just fine.
HK may very well have been a giant asshole. I really don't know, but from what I saw he seemed decent enough. Which is probably the opinion of a vast majority of people in game. Then there's the opinion of the minority (raging taint stain that got banned and his own group of cock suckers) that he's the scum of the earth and deserves getting tracked down and possible legal bullshit. Wonder which of those opinions is more grounded in reality.
Isn't one of the general rules something along the lines of if you wouldn't say it in a public setting you shouldn't talk about it in a public chat either. The rules of the server were never specific due to it being impossible to cover everything to justify the random shit people can come up with. The way I interpreted it is if my job would be on the line for saying it I should probably just not. HK and the staff actually didn't impose a harsh environment people actively disagreed with him and he never muted or banned for it as far as I could remember. I read through this thread and while hk was talking you never pointed out that he supposedly dodged a question till he left. Are you certain he dodged it? I think it's obvious how he broke the rules on the server. An abortion joke is not something you'd tell to your fellow workers and boss in most jobs without being asked to leave.
It has been fun indeed.
Too bad this whole thing had to happen. And during the season I had free time nonetheless.
>Look, Ma! I made this thing in RPG Maker! That makes me a big time video game developer!
>Why aren't more people signing up and showering me in praises?!
>You aren't allowed to be anything but completely nice to me because I'm autistic!
This thread is literally autism in the clinical definition of the term. If you guys are this hypersensitive and are going to throw a fit over incredibly stupid shit, then it's probably in your best interest not to have Internet access in the first place. I can assure you, there are far meaner communities than /vr/ out there, and they will quickly shred your autistic ego to bits.
Of course, all of this could simply be an incredibly dedicated troll at work. Whatever the case, good riddance to this POS thread.
This game has dealt with the /vr/ community before. The owner has already established that you can disagree with him and doesn't get hurt about it. How does this make him butt hurt or autistic? Do you just barely read something and be like yup game dev is an idiot. You come off as being more hypersensitive then he does.
Second this isn't even throwing a fit, HK left simply walking away is not throwing a fit. It's not stupid to react to someone potentially doxing you even if so far it's fairly minor. This was getting a bit more serious then just a video game but diving into personal attacks and trying to get some personal information on someone.
I've never seen HK once claim this game was more then what it was. I'm not sure where you think any of that nonsense makes sense. Where did HK say praise me or his feeling or force you to be nice to him? Did you read any of the evidence that clearly points in the opposite direction of any of these statements?
Troll harder bro or if you're not trolling try actually reading.
For what it's worth, a lot of times, friends made through communities like this can last a long time. As some of you know, I originally came to this game from /v/ with a big group of people. I made friends with who I played with in my party and I still have contact with them to this day, though we don't speak often - Rev, Stoolco and Juno - they're still good friends to me. Even after they quit, I stuck around and made friends with a lot more people that I still talk to every once in a while. A couple years down the road, I met HK and I started codeveloping with him, while we bounced ideas off each other and tested way cool shit. I speak for both him and myself that, while what happened was unfortunate, it was a really fun ride, seeing players enjoy the work we put in, develop strategies for bosses we never even thought of, and do things we never even thought possible. YOU GUYS are awesome. Thanks for that. Maybe you've met people you still talk to even though the game is gone, and stuff like that is what really matters. This is my last post in the thread, as it's close to its death - but I'm sure our paths will cross in some form or another someday. - szenny
Dhythos here. It's unfortunate that infighting over an old issue between Michael and myself caused this. I know half the community believes I'm entirely at fault for this. I'd like to clear the air as this thread has just been brought to my attention.
I was well liked by my friends and hated by those I didn't get along with. There was never a middle ground. My enemies in the game were Fuu, Cres, Szen, God and Rueben. These five people accounted for 99% of my drama and conflict prior to my ban. It's only after my ban that half the community denounced me. I understand why, I threatened the server. The thing was it was a conditional threat and HK had to be unreasonable as the sole condition. Once he called me on it, I had to do it and I did report the old server. I would have never done it had he not immediately resorted to the "he'll show me ban." I had well over 20 friends on the server, which was a lot considering our population. I'll rattle them off name by name if anyone would like.
I believe the main issue here is that I was perm muted without violating a rule. That is very true. I told an abortion joke during a time others were world saying abortion jokes. Mine was not the least bit offensive, but Szenkar used is as a chance to issue a no warning perm mute. HK and I couldn't come to terms on the issue and he threatened to perm ban me for making him look like a hypocrite. I only did so by quoting him directly, so the truth is he made himself a hypocrite and the ban threat did not help. I felt very threatened and responded with a situational threat of my own only for this specific instance. He called me on it knowing that I had no interest in escalating things and only wanted peace. He escalated the conflict at the time. This was all a long time ago.
In the present, I did not ask for anything that happened here today. Had this come to my attention earlier, I'd of just made peace with HK. I do regret my past decision when I reported the server, but I had never thought HK would put me in the position where I had to do it or have bluffed. I'm a keep my word kind of person. This game matters a lot more than it should to a lot of people and it's a shame to see it go.
I DO NOT WANT TO RETURN TO THE COMMUNITY. The way people turned against me out of the blue when HK banned me is something that I will never forget. Most of these people were fond of me prior to the incident, regardless of what they say now. If a server ever reappears and I become aware of it, I am willing to release every icon I ever made for general use.
The point on here I was most impressed with is that my brother suffered unfairly. When the whole brother issue was created by Szenkar, I immediately offered to get on Skype and show we were both playing in the same room that very moment. He ridiculed me in wsay as a liar and refused to allow me to show him I wasn't. That is what lead to the "vehement arguing" and our falling out. He started a pointless, long winded rant rather than just fairly letting me solve the issue. That is also what lead to my per mute.
In the end, I don't hate HK. I would harm Szenkar on sight IRL without hesitation if I ever had the chance. That's a fact. I hope you guys get a server again one day and it's free of Szenkar. I guarantee you I won't be there.
None of this had to happen and it never should have occurred. It's just a shame that an issue this big happened over something so small. I can say this, I played FFL from the time Behemoth was the final boss near Kaipo. It always returns.
you're retarded. he even said in his posts that you were a disruptive asshole that harassed other players. we all know that you did it, too. just admit it.
See this post. you were right to get muted. fuck off. I'd rather have admins that help players and are maybe an asshole every once in a while than a worthless piece of trash like you play the game
How sad would it be if he's actually telling the truth about this most recent shutdown. That one of his pals may have been responsible. That even though over a year has passed, but they had to screw everyone over because of what amounts to them having little more than having one less person to play with. Or maybe saddest of all it could've been one or more of the shit posting ITS NOT RETRO/THIS GAME SUCKS guys who tried the game and didn't like it. This is 4chan after all.
I have nothing to "just admit." I argued with players who argued with me. I didn't approach players at random to harass them. It takes two to argue at a minimum.
It was not right to mute me. The opinion of a few should not influence the rules of conduct in the game itself. Szenkar had no reason to mute me. He was present for the foul jokes prior to my joke and did nothing to those players. The second I made my lesser joke, he issued the mute. A real admin would have ended the tasteless discussion if he had an issue with it. He had no issue with the discussion what so ever, but a personal issue with me. I think that was covered well on the thread.
I am disliked for my actions after an unjust ban. I understand the hate I get for that. It's valid. When HK issued the ban, I became vengeful. I went on the war path because of the nature of the ban. I was unreasonable at that point for the next week. I certainly did no service to myself during that time. I've stated I regret that course of action. There's nothing else I can say on that subject.
the opinion of the few? more like the opinion of the majority... it's too little too late now to save the game, so it doesn't matter either way. your real choices now are to try to bury the hatchet and try to at least talk to one another one-on-one (only a total asshole would refuse) or just leave everything as is and hate each other forever. not my call.
you were still wrong to make an abortion joke, that's not a cool topic. whether or not an admin used that as a tool to mute you after what he says was justified due to your constant harassment or a personal vendetta doesn't matter at this point because the game is dead based on the actions you two chose - especially you, for threatening to take down the game. that's not the way you tell an admin you really want to talk to them about what you did and that you wanted to receive an unmute. nowhere here did I see you appeal to the admin that banned you, just to the owner.
fix it, or don't. ball's in your court. game's dead regardless, but maybe it'll make one or more of you feel better.
So wait, you're the reason the server went offline? I'm not sure I care how justified you were, you ruined the game for everyone. Is that really so different to the kid who flips the Monopoly board when he doesn't get his way?
I hope you realise how remarkably selfish you sound, granted I'm not privy to all the drama but harming the server as a way to get to Szen is just so childish from my perspective. I think if the server does come back it'll have even less of a community, so you essentially buried the entire game single-handedly, that's an impressive accolade in a weird sort of way.
Bass/Choleta/Sage In Every Field here. Figured now that the thread is dying, I'd throw out a last post.
To everyone who helped me pass content, to everyone I helped pass content. To those who grinded items with me, to those who grinded levels with me. To those who used to sit in the old chat room and bullshit endlessly. The community was, in some ways, worth more than the game. You'll be sorely missed.
I don't know how much BYOND I'll be using without this around, but as has been said so many times before, this game never dies for good. That's my hope at least. If someone dons the mantle, great. More power to you. If you want my lame ass around, by all means throw me a friend invite. I figure the more people we connect together through BYOND, the easier it'll be to get a new base going if the "Legacy" continues.
Wouldn't be right of me not to end with a bad pun, after all. Gotta appeal to my fan Bass after all. Stay awesome.
Since the thread's dying, I'll d the same as Teshlun above. Mahjong/Kuja here. I was always sort of just "around" and not particularly known or anything. I played FFR back when it was FFL sometimes, but didn't really get into it until the /vr/ threads in 2014 and even then I went about my business quietly.
But still, it was a blast. You guys are great. I was having a lot of fun getting back into it, even managed to bring in a buddy and the last thing I was able to do was hang around with Fargreze and his friend. Shame we didn't get to march through the game, man.
Let me know if this game manages to crawl out of its grave once again. I'll see you all around sometime, maybe.
You could actually respond to the things I've said, not the things you think I said. I haven't doxxed anyone. Moron, figure it out, there is more than one person in the world that disagrees with you. If you remove all the insults in my post, you'd see that you're still ignoring every substantial point I've made. I've never had any personal interaction with Dythos, nor should I need to in order to criticize an administrators actions, you servile cock gobbler. Your appeal to the people who enjoy the game has nothing to do with how an admin handles people he disagrees with.
>but one of you faggots had to take things 10 steps over the line and dig up personal info of a guy who was just trying to provide a free fucking service for people to enjoy
Please direct your complaints to them, not me. Like I said, I don't have any personal experience with Dythos, but what I do know about the situations is what HK himself has posted (and partially deleted) in this. exact. thread. If the only thing you can contribute to the conversation is vague Either/Or generalizations about what each "camp" you imagine stands for (hint: we good, them baaad), then spare us your tantrum.
>workplace decorum and video game public chat should be identical
I think just about everyone except you would rather pass on a politically correct hugbox environment.
this is what your post may as well have said:
>I'm dumb and can't admit to being wrong even though everyone tells me I am
fuck off already anon, go back to slobbering over retardcock. I'll be over here having fun playing a game because I'm not a crybaby that has to have their way all the time